Russian scientist sentenced to imprisonment for treason


By the decision of the Rostov Regional Court, Doctor of Technical Sciences Aleksey Temirev was sentenced to seven and a half years in prison with a sentence in a maximum security colony. He is charged with article 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“State Treason”). In addition, he was sentenced to one year in prison after being released from prison.


As reported to the agency today Interfax in the press service of the court, the verdict was announced on January 28, and now it has entered into legal force. The accused did not appeal the court decision.

For the first time, the public became aware of the arrest of Alexei Temirev in July 2018, when he was already in a pre-trial detention center on charges of treason. This was learned by representatives of the Public Monitoring Commission of Moscow. What exactly the accused did was not known, since the details of the case were under the heading “Secret.” At that time, Temirev turned 64 years old.

It is only known that he is a prominent scientist with a large number of patents for his inventions. In addition to science, Alexey Temirev was engaged in design and production activities, being the CEO and co-founder of several companies in Rostov-on-Don and Novocherkassk.

Last February, he underwent heart surgery.
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  1. Erich 13 February 2020 14: 22 New
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    It’s like being a scientist in Russia, some kind of surrealism)) A person has a large number of patents, but the country, most likely, has rights to people as things ... very sad of course ...
    1. Vladimir B. 13 February 2020 14: 23 New
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      Last year it was written on the rambler that Aleksey Temirev was selling the secrets of our submarines to Vietnam.
      https://news.rambler.ru/other/40497088-pod-grifom-sekretno-za-chto-popal-v-lefortovo-uchenyy-iz-novocherkasska/
      1. Chervonny 13 February 2020 14: 27 New
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        I do not understand. He had a large number of patents, was engaged in production activities, was he really short of money ...
        1. Svarog 13 February 2020 14: 32 New
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          Quote: Red
          I do not understand. He had a large number of patents, was engaged in production activities, was he really short of money ...

          Perhaps he was recruited back in the 90s .. or someone had some incriminating evidence on him .. There are no details in the article ..
          1. Observer2014 13 February 2020 14: 58 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: Red
            I do not understand. He had a large number of patents, was engaged in production activities, was he really short of money ...

            Perhaps he was recruited back in the 90s .. or someone had some incriminating evidence on him .. There are no details in the article ..

            hi
            Easily yes Moreover, my uncle was not in need. And if you also take into account that as he printed above in his comment Vladimir B. (Vladimir) Then it becomes clear that nothing is clear. He what about the Vietnamese citizenship with the fate of Russian roulette wanted to play7
        2. Cowbra 13 February 2020 14: 38 New
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          The one with a million is richer than the one with only half a million. In general, among the scientific fraternity there is often such a viper - you wonder
          1. bk316 13 February 2020 16: 11 New
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            In general, among the scientific fraternity there is often such a viper - you wonder

            There is nothing to be surprised at this since imperial times. And in the late USSR there was generally trash. I could tell so much ... fellow
            1. Cowbra 13 February 2020 16: 13 New
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              Yes, in courses))) Especially about conferences overseas delicious) The funny thing is that it remains now. but for other reasons))) And what, you warm your belly, you scratch your tongue, you pay money, you don’t need to work.
          2. Alex Justice 13 February 2020 17: 02 New
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            being the CEO and co-founder of several companies in Rostov-on-Don and Novocherkassk.

            It seems from a scientist he became a businessman.
            1. Paranoid50 13 February 2020 20: 01 New
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              Quote: Alex Justice
              from a scientist, he became a businessman.

              Huckster, sir, huckster. yes
              1. Vol4ara 13 February 2020 21: 56 New
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                Quote: Paranoid50
                Quote: Alex Justice
                from a scientist, he became a businessman.

                Huckster, sir, huckster. yes

                He became a prisoner, to death he is likely to remain
              2. Amin_vivec 13 February 2020 21: 59 New
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                "And you do not confuse your personal coat with the state!" when it was still said ... But no, everyone continues and continues to be confused)))
        3. bk316 13 February 2020 14: 49 New
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          was he really short of money ...

          Oh dear comrade, there is never much money laughing
          The one who puts them at the forefront becomes their slave ....
          1. neri73-r 13 February 2020 15: 22 New
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            Quote: Cowbra
            The one with a million is richer than the one with only half a million. In general, among the scientific fraternity there is often such a viper - you wonder

            Quote: bk316
            was he really short of money ...

            Oh dear comrade, there is never much money laughing
            The one who puts them at the forefront becomes their slave ....

            No, this is a typical "underestimated" homeland and people, superiors, colleagues, wife, parents, children .......... etc. ....! He pleaded guilty, didn’t file a complaint against the verdict — that’s it, he deserved it — they were evaluated at 7 years and 6 months in prison.
            1. bk316 13 February 2020 16: 12 New
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              No, this is a typical "underrated"

              Maybe I don’t know anything about him, but it immediately annoys a hectic commercial activity ....
            2. Amin_vivec 13 February 2020 22: 00 New
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              Poor thing ((((Pity him?
              1. neri73-r 13 February 2020 22: 33 New
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                Quote: Amin_Vivec
                Poor thing ((((Pity him?

                For sho?
        4. Avior 13 February 2020 15: 23 New
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          They write from the link above that they took the order and went to the FSB to consult for themselves whether this work contains state secrets. And from there I didn’t leave
        5. Deck 13 February 2020 15: 53 New
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          All of them are state criminals. Today, the chief designer of Chernomorets Central Design Bureau, accused of treason, Viktor Prozorov will go to a maximum security prison for 14 years and pay a fine of 200 thousand rubles. It is known that the man worked at the central design bureau Chernomorets in Sevastopol, one of the oldest engineering enterprises in the territory of the former USSR. Since the 2000s, he served as director and chief designer. Under him, Chernomorets was related to the creation of the Slavutich ship, as well as the Zubr ships that appeared in the case of state treason of the scientist and 1st-class captain Vladislav Nikolsky in 2015.
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      1. Hog
        Hog 13 February 2020 14: 28 New
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        Without a reason, this does not happen.
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          1. Lord 13 February 2020 15: 07 New
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            Well, yes, and re-create sharashka so that they do not scatter right?
            and in general, maybe he is not for money but simply ideological
            1. Erich 13 February 2020 15: 08 New
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              I think that a person is better not to touch
            2. Michael vitman 13 February 2020 15: 10 New
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              This cannot be! Judging by cheers to the patriots of the Russian Federation, the best country in the world! True, I did not see American senators buying villas for stolen dollars in Sochi!
              1. Gray brother 13 February 2020 15: 21 New
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                Quote: Michael Vitman
                ! True, I did not see American senators buying villas for stolen dollars in Sochi!

                They keep their stolen dollars offshore, and they have villas anyway - family estates.
                1. Michael vitman 13 February 2020 15: 26 New
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                  So why do they not want to live in the Great Orthodox Orthodox Russia, where everything has no analogues in the world!
                  1. Gray brother 13 February 2020 16: 20 New
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                    Quote: Michael Vitman
                    So why do they not want to live in the Great Orthodox Orthodox Russia, where everything has no analogues in the world!

                    They are afraid that their people will undergo obstruction for the introduction of anti-Russian sanctions.
                    1. Michael vitman 13 February 2020 16: 26 New
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                      So sanctions are good for the Russian economy
                      1. Gray brother 13 February 2020 16: 47 New
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                        Quote: Michael Vitman
                        So sanctions are good for the Russian economy

                        So it is, they are forced to do their own thing, instead of buying a western one. However, this is not a reason to love your enemies.
                        You, as a slave to your needs, cannot understand this.
                      2. Michael vitman 13 February 2020 16: 51 New
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                        Well, where do I go to fasteners!
                      3. Gray brother 13 February 2020 16: 53 New
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                        Quote: Michael Vitman
                        Well, where do I go to fasteners!

                        Yes, I don’t call you to correspond - live as you like, this is your business.
                      4. Svarog51 13 February 2020 19: 55 New
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                        You allies at the end of the war banged for the fact that the British suspended the division? Or do I not know the whole story?
                      5. Paranoid50 13 February 2020 20: 06 New
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                        Quote: Svarog51
                        You allies banged at the end of the war

                        No, Sergei, the mattresses then banged the one you needed. yes hi The same “oppa-nenta” can be banged only on “Black Friday”, in a crush for nishtyaks. laughing
                      6. Svarog51 13 February 2020 20: 49 New
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                        Alexander hi You know how to please wink I’m at war with VITMAN, and you’ve broken off the whole cimus. recourse How to live now? For me, armor is the best friend, but they do not allow it to sit. Then the TANK AS drew up, and the duel did not take place. Sorry. belay
                      7. Paranoid50 13 February 2020 20: 53 New
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                        Quote: Svarog51
                        How to live now?

                        Yes, as before, live, do not bother. yes
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        and the duel did not take place.

                        Come on, you see, a soldier will not offend a child. laughing hi
                      8. Svarog51 13 February 2020 21: 08 New
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                        Well, thank you for not throwing a handkerchief. tongue
                        “It’s good for someone who has a dagger when they need it” (c) Abdullah
      2. Looking for 14 February 2020 17: 01 New
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        would you go yorn to another place.
  2. AU Ivanov. 13 February 2020 16: 54 New
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    They buy in the Maldives, take it easy. Sochi is far from a paradise in terms of climate.
  3. 4ekist 13 February 2020 19: 35 New
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    They may not buy in Sochi, look for information how much land has been bought, for example, in Altai.
  • Vladimir B. 13 February 2020 14: 28 New
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    Quote: Michael Vitman
    And you have not noticed that more and more people want to sell their homeland and flee to the decaying west! And this is in addition to the usual outcome of the Russian population.

    I did not notice. Among my friends there are none! Maybe you judge by yourself?
    1. Michael vitman 13 February 2020 14: 43 New
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      Bonding is good! ALL God's dew!
      1. carstorm 11 13 February 2020 15: 25 New
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        and not go to you ... already to the censor.
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          1. carstorm 11 13 February 2020 15: 32 New
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            remove this hysteria already from here admins)))
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              1. AU Ivanov. 13 February 2020 16: 55 New
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                Get out of here.
                1. Michael vitman 13 February 2020 17: 02 New
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                  Would you advise Putin so
                  1. AU Ivanov. 13 February 2020 17: 03 New
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                    Vova quite suits me.
                  2. Michael vitman 13 February 2020 17: 08 New
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                    Of course, even the constitution was rewritten to please the helmsman! Slaves love the master!
                  3. AU Ivanov. 13 February 2020 17: 46 New
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                    There is such a proverb: “The eggs hinder the bad dancer” You, apparently, don’t know how to dance at all.
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      2. kapitan281271 13 February 2020 15: 52 New
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        Quote: Michael Vitman
        I am not a slave to Putin! I decide where to go and tell you to me! Point your cattle

        How such ud * yudki became predictable, and commonplace, before, it was talented, even interesting, but now, "I ARE NOT A PUBLIC PUTIN", well, that, reminds me of an old joke, "my mother was in bad”
        1. Michael vitman 13 February 2020 15: 56 New
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          You have a tantrum, drink a laxative
        2. carstorm 11 13 February 2020 15: 58 New
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          do not feed the troll) it’s nesting here)
          1. Michael vitman 13 February 2020 16: 18 New
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            Really! Do not like the truth, are you used to living in the power of lies and propaganda? The Russian Federation has long turned into an Orwellian country
        3. 4ekist 13 February 2020 19: 44 New
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          Is that what they say there- "BEDON"?
  • Erich 13 February 2020 14: 44 New
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    Most judges by themselves (like you at the moment), I also have many friends who left the country. There is nothing wrong with that.
    1. bk316 13 February 2020 14: 50 New
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      And in this
      want to sell their homeland
      1. Erich 13 February 2020 14: 53 New
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        If he sold his, then without problems, if the work of the team in which he worked was bad.
        1. carstorm 11 13 February 2020 15: 23 New
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          What are you? if a person created a weapon or technology that can be used in it, it is far from his property)
          1. Erich 13 February 2020 15: 25 New
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            and the property of whom it is, this technology?))
            1. carstorm 11 13 February 2020 15: 28 New
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              google the law on secrecy in invention) I think you’ll understand everything yourself
              1. Erich 13 February 2020 15: 33 New
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                Thank you I'll see))
                1. Svarog51 13 February 2020 20: 04 New
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                  Private sector and public. Who financed the development - that and the owner. This is the way it is today. You can become a genius only at your own expense. And if at public expense - then "or sum, or prison." It depends on what a person wants.
                2. Erich 13 February 2020 20: 50 New
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                  I understand that)) Unfortunately this is so)
                3. Svarog51 13 February 2020 21: 03 New
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                  Why "Unfortunately"?. The state has given and paid for everything, has it become so little?
                4. Erich 13 February 2020 21: 06 New
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                  Often a person gets an education for his money, at this time he still manages to work)) So the person and the state exchanged benefits))) With this question it is more difficult if the person studied on a budget, but this is an interesting question. His parents worked and paid taxes to get social rights. In my opinion, everything is honest))
                5. Svarog51 13 February 2020 21: 21 New
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                  Yeah, I agree with the study. And the dad and mother provided him with a laboratory for his research and discoveries. Then - yes, these are your achievements if you worked alone. There are no complaints. And what about in this case, what is described in the article?
                6. Erich 13 February 2020 21: 30 New
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                  Understanding your hint - most likely to punish))
                7. Svarog51 13 February 2020 21: 33 New
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                  This is not a hint; he has already been punished. And they did it right. He was not selling the idea of ​​knowledge, was he? Right?
                8. Erich 13 February 2020 21: 35 New
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                  Of course, for the sake of money he did it))
                9. Svarog51 13 February 2020 21: 38 New
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                  Alexander, so I convinced you, or you. just out of no desire to argue, agreed?
                10. Erich 13 February 2020 21: 43 New
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                  I wrote above, if he appropriated and sold the works, several people, then this is a crime, if only his works, then, personally for me, this is normal)) You approved that they gave him financing and equipment, here I will soon agree with you. The dilemma is simple if there was money but there was no idea or there was an idea but there was no money, which is more important: idea or money? I think that the idea (later its implementation), money is secondary; I think you understand me. Yes: the state has the means, but there may be a shortage of ideas))
                11. Svarog51 13 February 2020 21: 48 New
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                  Do you want to say that the state funded the creation of something and refused the rights created at its expense? This does not happen. Even if the project is closed, the state has the rights to it.
                  P.S. Sorry, Alexander, I have to interrupt the discussion - I’m tired. If you wish, we will continue tomorrow. hi
                12. Erich 13 February 2020 21: 51 New
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                  I advocate that the rights remain with the creators. The system is closer to me that if it does not belong to the creators but belongs to the state, then it is better not to create anything. Also, I am not a supporter of a bad or feudal state that holds its people for batteries and means of achieving results for a limited circle of people
                13. Svarog51 14 February 2020 02: 37 New
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                  I understood what you wanted to say and partially agree, but the reality is that the employer gets the most profit, including intellectual property. Nobody has canceled the scientific business - “who dared, he ate”
                14. Erich 14 February 2020 08: 49 New
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                  That's what I'm sorry about))
                15. Svarog51 14 February 2020 11: 57 New
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                  Are there any developments that I would like to patent or purely because of injustice?
                16. Erich 14 February 2020 12: 04 New
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                  Yes, but in the field of IT (security, for optimizing interserver communication, a couple of not so big ideas)
                17. Svarog51 14 February 2020 12: 12 New
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                  What is the reason for the refusal?
                18. Erich 14 February 2020 12: 19 New
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                  So far, no one has refused me, I am preparing documentation, developing, I have to redo a lot and take into account a lot. While programmatic issues are resolved, the documentary ones will be later, when everything is described.
                19. Svarog51 14 February 2020 12: 32 New
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                  So what are you sorry about? Suddenly everything will turn out? Then, if foreigners are interested in your developments, then problems can really appear here.
                20. Erich 14 February 2020 12: 35 New
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                  I regret that other people (developers and scientists) cannot receive the fruits of their labors because they had the recklessness to work for someone else. Why do you think that problems may arise with foreigners?
                21. Svarog51 14 February 2020 12: 50 New
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                  So Timiryov was imprisoned for tricks with foreigners. The patent is different. They didn’t take him for drugs?
                22. Erich 14 February 2020 12: 55 New
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                  Well, how can this be applied to me? I myself develop everything and am not a member of a research institute or a design bureau; the maximum that can be obtained from working with foreigners is a deception on their part.
                23. Svarog51 14 February 2020 13: 05 New
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                  Well, deception by foreigners is not the worst. Have you ever thought that IT is used in everything in the military? And to whom can your developments play into the hands if they “sail away” abroad?
                  P.S. I also served in the Rota guard company for an urgent period. Air Force GSVG.
                24. Erich 14 February 2020 13: 26 New
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                  To whom they play into their hands is another question, the fact is that this is my property and I can dispose of it at my discretion. I didn’t do this all the time (self-education) and practiced so that they would tell me where to let my work go. For the first half of the year, I served in anti-terrorist organizations (blocking group), then transferred to the BS and RTO (versed in microelectronics, electronics and programming), but did nothing about this knowledge. Every day they simply cleaned the apparatus and prepared for the ZKP visits to the deployment point. Once only put up a node on the Red Field
                25. Svarog51 14 February 2020 13: 45 New
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                  Well, your business. If I had such a problem, I would have taken an interest in the FSB before doing anything, so that later there would be no questions, as to Temirev. Better yet, it’s better to beg the paper from them - that this is not a secret.
                  And the company-mate didn’t let me go anywhere, even after after a certificate from the hospital that I was forbidden to serve as a visitor in the RO. I shot perfectly and was a machine gunner, although I had to shoot with my left hand. After the army, he already served as a signalman in the Ministry of Emergencies until retirement.
                26. Erich 14 February 2020 13: 49 New
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                  Here they write that the main character of the article also went to inquire with the FSB whether it was legal and got there)) I see a way out only with moving my family (me, my wife and three children) to another place. We fired once only with 3 rounds. We didn’t have a particularly stele in the BS, but they didn’t shoot at RO for the first six months. They simply ran around with weapons and trained in tactics and search for threats.
                27. Svarog51 14 February 2020 13: 56 New
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                  That's the thing that he first did, and then asked. It was necessary on the contrary, maybe he also received some kind of reward.
                  Well, I ran to full. All two years "every other day - to the belt." I had a friend in the BS, I periodically called up lines of communication with the guard on my shift to fix it. It was more fun to drag the service.
                28. Erich 14 February 2020 14: 03 New
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                  I don’t need any reward, so I don’t do any documentation so far, after listening to you I probably won’t do it here. In any case, who is looking at me)) When I was serving, we didn’t have a very busy service, there was an hour of sleep, food was good (you could choose the first, second and salad), unfortunately there were drugs in the unit, we also have a department FSB in part, he dealt with drug issues. In general, the service in the Air Force was not bad, it was 12 - 13 years old, my son was just born and the next day I went to serve. First, to Yekaterinburg (Koltsovo) and then back to Chelyabinsk (it turns out we did not take the oath and they returned us). The first time in my life I flew in a helicopter.))))
                29. Svarog51 14 February 2020 14: 34 New
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                  Oh, youth. "The fish seeks where deeper, but the man where it is better." Well, it’s not for me to judge you as you want - so do it. And where are you going to go, if not a secret, of course?
                  Have you served a year? In our garrison the division headquarters was, well, of course, the Special Division at the headquarters. Here the conscripts from the Special and otkubili - into the autonomy flocked to the Germans in a neighboring village. Then the whole company sat on our lips. I served under Dresden in Grossenhain. Two years and without vacation.
                30. Erich 14 February 2020 14: 39 New
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                  Either to Canada, or to the homeland of the ancestors in Germany)) He served only a year, we had all sorts of cases too, but they are not very interesting. We ran into the store for chocolate, we just ran from the unit across the road. Their store doesn’t work at night, so they managed to get there on patrol (which rarely goes out somewhere). And served))
                31. Svarog51 14 February 2020 14: 56 New
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                  For some reason I thought so. If the work is interesting and well-paid, then you can go. But first, look and settle down. And it could be even worse than in Russia. I would go to Germany, but just to see what has changed. To Canada is not at all interesting.
                  We didn’t have anywhere to run into autonomy, and they punished us strictly for that. The cap in the garrison worked around the clock. There was still a store, but it was only for officers and ensigns at night. Although, in the second year it was always possible to agree with them, if it is not alcohol.
                32. Erich 14 February 2020 15: 32 New
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                  I agree. We have a very big difference in the conditions of service most likely))
                33. Svarog51 14 February 2020 15: 43 New
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                  That's it, Alexander, take my leave hi The pipe is calling! Family matters.
                34. Erich 14 February 2020 15: 48 New
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                  Thank you for your communication))
                35. Svarog51 14 February 2020 20: 28 New
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                  Alexander hi I tried to restore your faith that everything is not so bad in Russia and you have to blame it on the “hillock”. Hopefully in a intelligible way? Can you think before you decide to leave?
                  You are still more Alexander than Erich. IMHO. "Is the skin worth the dressing?"
                36. Erich 15 February 2020 09: 25 New
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                  I do not think that everything is bad in Russia, Russians are a wonderful people with a great history and a big and open heart. He has very deep roots and a correct understanding of justice, honesty and decency. Now is the time of troubles. I spent a lot of time on forming my family and learning (self-education). I have many goals and it so happened that in Russia I can’t do what I want and how I want. I don’t need someone else’s but I don’t intend to give my own. Thank you and I had a very good conversation, the majority of people in VO communicate in a completely different way, thereby creating a negative attitude towards yourself, and you communicate correctly and try to find out a lot about a person and his actions.
  • Cowbra 13 February 2020 16: 19 New
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    And they have a 6-year old age on Zhmerinka - to run away to the west ... It’s good there, there’s a sort of drive to the Pole ... Strawberries again ... And here even cookies from the Maidan do not give
  • carstorm 11 13 February 2020 14: 42 New
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    did not notice. give examples?
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      give examples?

      Easy. You yourself here have repeatedly written about the formation of daughters abroad.
      1. carstorm 11 13 February 2020 15: 24 New
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        I do not think this is bad than that in the first place. And secondly, the conversation is about those who ran away selling their homeland. the education of children abroad is generally from another opera.
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          the education of children abroad is generally from another opera.

          Yeah, ka and deputy Volodin assured everyone that his daughters are patriots, and the result?
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            it makes no difference to me) they are his children and not subordinates. it is their life and their choice.
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              it is their life and their choice.

              And where are these daughters, together with the deputy, what patriotism was not drowned by a sortie with the TVC sparkling with the George Ribbon?
              I predict the answer: "let no one care about the life of my daughters."
              1. carstorm 11 13 February 2020 15: 57 New
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                exactly. they kind of come of age. I don’t like them either, but what is my right to blame them for their actions? I myself am not a saint.
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                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  I don’t like them either, but what is my right to blame them for their actions? I myself am not a saint.

                  So you did not notice? Or prefer not to notice?
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  did not notice. give examples?
                  1. carstorm 11 13 February 2020 16: 05 New
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                    And you have not noticed that more and more people want to sell their homeland and flee to the decaying west. I requested such examples. selling the homeland is treason. you want to say that this applies to them? )
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                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    you want to say that this applies to them?

                    As the Chinese say, a journey of a thousand starts with a small step.
  • bk316 13 February 2020 14: 51 New
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    want to sell рalone

    How symptomatic it is ....
  • Roman070280 13 February 2020 15: 09 New
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    Yes, most people just have nothing to sell ..
    And so here a couple of "patriots" would have remained on the site for a long time ..))
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      And that’s true))
    2. Michael vitman 13 February 2020 15: 58 New
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      bully laughing YOU said to a point not to decrease not to add!
    3. bk316 13 February 2020 16: 13 New
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      Yes, most people just have nothing to sell ..
      And so here a couple of "patriots" would have remained on the site for a long time ..))

      And judge by yourself again.
      But completely in vain. There are very different people ....
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        Vladimir hi The couple is very entertaining, it is likely that the same one works from the phone and the laptop. One is already caught, let's see what happens to the second. A couple-three is certainly not the case, and you are right
        But completely in vain. There are very different people ....

        There are much more sensible people on the site than "vagrants". yes
      2. Roman070280 14 February 2020 09: 12 New
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        And judge by yourself again.
        But completely in vain. There are very different people ....


        Yes at most people just have nothing to sell ..
        And so here would be a long time ago left on the site a couple of "patriots"..))


        If you read carefully, it will be clear that I judge uneasy ..
        It will also be seen that I also mention "different people" ..
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      Roman, that there’s nothing to sell either, since you hang out here ?.
      1. Roman070280 14 February 2020 09: 14 New
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        Who hangs out here - they all have nothing to sell ..))
  • LifeIsGood 13 February 2020 15: 54 New
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    Hmm ... judging by your nickname you support the Nazis? Or are you the bearer of this ideology?
    1. Michael vitman 13 February 2020 15: 59 New
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      Why such questions? In the Russian Federation that there is no fascism and Nazism? Nationalist marches banned in Moscow? Stop killing those who are different from you?
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    All cases in the Novocherkassk court (promising career advancement for all lawyers) end with loud landings. And nobody cares.
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      Quote: seregatara1969
      All cases in the Novocherkassk court (promising career advancement for all lawyers) end with loud landings. And nobody cares.
      -And the United States silently puts in Guantanomo, without volume ...
      And what a strange thing - not a single "democratic" country blathers what they sit there WITHOUT investigation and trial ....
      Quote: seregatara1969
      And nobody cares.
  • Fuse angel 13 February 2020 14: 28 New
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    What does "have rights to people" mean? What difference does it make who he is and what he did in his life, it should not justify him, he sold his homeland and the fact that he is a scientist does not justify him. Such people should be shot at all (as well as corrupt officials), and property should be confiscated.
    1. Erich 13 February 2020 14: 41 New
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      If what he invented belongs to him, then let him manage his intellectual achievements. It is written that he has many patents. If he did not sell his own, then another thing))
      1. Horon 13 February 2020 15: 05 New
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        Patents in this matter are generally no sideways; he did not trade patents, but secrets! Patents are mentioned here in order to show his merits as a scientist, and even for the appearance of such comments:
        Quote: Erich
        It’s like being a scientist in Russia, some kind of surrealism)) A person has a large number of patents, but the country, most likely, has rights to people as things ... very sad of course ...
        1. Erich 13 February 2020 15: 07 New
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          But did he himself create these secrets? If he himself created then there are no problems, and if not, then he was deservedly captured!
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            If you have concluded a contract with the state with the signing of the level of secrecy, then this is not your secret, but the state one. For such fortels (selling classified information of a commercial level), people also go to court, even in ordinary business, and even acquire a “black mark” for the rest of their lives not to get a job of this level. So it’s in business, and here are state secrets!
            PS Judging by your questions like that, you didn’t even serve in the army.
            1. Erich 13 February 2020 15: 24 New
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              He served, but I didn’t have secrecy, although he was formally listed in the “apparatus”. military unit 69806 from 2012 to 2013, first RO and RKhBZ and then in BS and RTO (ZKP)
              1. Horon 13 February 2020 15: 59 New
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                With this statement, you just buried yourself as an opponent:
                He served, but I didn’t have secrecy,

                Once in a part, any part, you immediately sign the secrecy and go through a short briefing where they explain what things are secret. If you served and don’t remember, it’s sclerosis. If you signed without instruction - this is gouging. Or are you trying to lie now! If you work for a serious company, then corporate secrecy is also present there and it is written in your contract, which things are not subject to disclosure. And if you do not know about it, then again it speaks of your gouging or hypocrisy. But if you work as a janitor or plumber in a communal office, then yes - there is no such thing in the contracts.
                PS "Ignorance of the law does not exempt from liability." You need to carefully read the papers that you sign.
                1. Erich 13 February 2020 16: 11 New
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                  Once in the unit no secrecy we did not pee, I served in military service and we were not allowed even such things. Only two people had secrecy in the terms of my call; they were state-owned machine operators. Regarding burying myself as an opponent - I do not pretend to be expert in these matters, but the fact that I did not sign any documents on secrecy is a fact. Regarding the company, I agree, signed a "ban on the disclosure of trade secrets."
                2. Ros 56 13 February 2020 17: 02 New
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                  Comrade Khoron, and he was in such secret troops, there was nothing besides shovels, and there’s nothing to be secret. lol Only no one gu-gu. laughing
                  1. Erich 13 February 2020 20: 53 New
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                    He served in the Air Force, first the Guard Company and the Russian Chemical Security Base and then the BS and RTO (ZKP - TTV)
      2. Krasnoyarsk 13 February 2020 15: 10 New
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        Quote: Erich
        If what he invented belongs to him, then let him manage his intellectual achievements. It is written that he has many patents. If he did not sell his own, then another thing))

        This does not happen. Before you come up with, you must have a sum of knowledge. Who gave them to him? On his "notion", manufacturing, testing, etc. who gave the denyuzhku? Moreover, today there are no kulibins. All “notions” are collective labor. The idea is yes, but then the creativity of the team begins.
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          And if he bought this knowledge, then how? Paid for my education! In this case, how? He is with the state - even! And about the Kulibins no, do not write nonsense. There are ideas that people can and do alone. From development to implementation. There are ideas that require teams and huge investments in hardware. There is no essence of the dispute. A lot is not clear from this news.
          1. Krasnoyarsk 13 February 2020 15: 39 New
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            Quote: Erich
            Paid for my education!

            IN USSR? Judging by his age.
            Quote: Erich
            There are ideas that people can and do alone.

            But in literature, painting, music. And in technology? Did he make his inventions on his knee?
            Do not smack nonsense.
            1. Erich 13 February 2020 15: 46 New
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              I’m not saying that ALL inventions can be made by one person - "There are ideas that require ...". I did not claim that such an idea here.
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                Left-hander was able to shoe a flea, Lomonosov created the Academy of Sciences. But that time of loners has passed. At the moment, a loner must have colossal financial resources to become Fantomas.
                1. Erich 13 February 2020 20: 50 New
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                  I heard your opinion))
                  1. Svarog51 13 February 2020 21: 00 New
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                    I am yours too, but understand, in modern conditions, it is not realistic to be a Stark, and then laws on treason of the Homeland come into force.
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                      And no one even offers Stark to be a person who has the expertise in a particular area will be able to create an intangible product and will be able to implement it with interested parties))
                    2. Svarog51 13 February 2020 21: 17 New
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                      Where and when did he acquire this expertise? From birth did father and mother teach? I already said - the time of loners has passed. Selling information - you violate the rights of fellow citizens, involved and not so, for their own benefit. It is punishable.
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                      It seems to me that we understood each other and have already heard each other's opinion))
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                      Hope so. To paraphrase the saying, "Think seven times and do it once." Didn’t take into account something - get a "bonus".
  • vvvjak 13 February 2020 14: 29 New
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    Quote: Erich
    It’s like being a scientist in Russia, some kind of surrealism)) A person has a large number of patents, but the country, most likely, has rights to people as things ... very sad of course ...

    And what kind of treason did he have to be awarded the order? Moreover, he especially does not deny (as I understand it).
    1. Erich 13 February 2020 14: 42 New
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      If you didn’t sell your own, then you need to punish, if your own, then how sideways is the state here?)) There is little information on the case
  • Gray brother 13 February 2020 14: 30 New
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    Quote: Erich
    So to be a scientist in Russia, some kind of surrealism))

    I don’t understand where the person holding the position of CEO and co-founder of several companies can find time to "be a scientist."
    The usual rotten commerce decided to monetize something from the secret, for which he deservedly ogreb.
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      1. Gray brother 13 February 2020 14: 58 New
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        Quote: Erich
        If you sold your

        The state secret is always state. I would sell mine - I would be free.
        1. Erich 13 February 2020 14: 59 New
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          There may be an option that he developed is very important for the country and therefore it does not want to scatter it.
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            Quote: Erich
            There may be an option that he developed is very important for the country and therefore it does not want to scatter it.

            If he developed it at home, for himself and at his own expense, he would be free too)))
            1. Erich 13 February 2020 15: 11 New
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              I partly agree. But in this case, it must be obligated to return the funds, "supposedly" spent on what he invented)) caused economic damage suffered an economic penalty)) Often the best idea is not its implementation
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                Quote: Erich
                Caused economic damage

                Yes, there is not economic damage, but the damage to the security of the country - this cannot be compensated. Previously, they put it against the wall.
                1. Erich 13 February 2020 15: 17 New
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                  However, if he sold his thoy on his side. If not, then he should be punished.
                  1. Gray brother 13 February 2020 16: 23 New
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                    Quote: Erich
                    Nevertheless

                    He violated state secrets, therefore there can be no talk of “his own” here.
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          He gave a subscription on non-disclosure of state. secrets. Violated, now let him sit. And he was not alone (as the navel of the earth) worked on the topic, but a large team of engineers, designers, testers. It turns out he spat at everyone.
      2. musketon64 13 February 2020 15: 13 New
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        If a person sold someone else, then this is theft. If a person works with the brain in the interests of the company, then these developments are the property of the company. If a person sells this information to other companies, he will be accused of industrial espionage. In this case, the person worked in the interests of the state in the field of defense and sold classified information. And he is not just a thief, but a traitor. Especially if he had a non-disclosure subscription.
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          "In the interests of the company" - if the rights were alienated or it is expressly stated in the terms of the contract, then I agree with you.
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              To begin with, I live in Chelyabinsk, not a Ukrainian (and I didn’t really communicate with them), but a German by nationality. So what's your comment?
              1. Ros 56 13 February 2020 17: 17 New
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                I wrote above.
              2. Svarog51 13 February 2020 20: 31 New
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                Erich hi Russia is not Germany, sometimes you have to pay for love with your life.

                And for state secrets - without fail.
                1. Erich 13 February 2020 20: 49 New
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                  I hope this is all temporary))
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                    "It was before you, in the fourteenth century!"
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      Sergei. about time:
      Zhores Alferov, State Duma deputy of 7 convocations, Vice President of the Russian Academy of Sciences from 1991 to 2017. Chairman of the Presidium of the St. Petersburg Scientific Center of the Russian Academy of Sciences. And earned the Nobel Prize.
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        Quote: knn54
        Sergei. about time:

        Quote: knn54
        And earned the Nobel Prize.

        Well, he was born in 1930 - he had time.
  • Svarog 13 February 2020 14: 31 New
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    A person has a large number of patents, but the country, apparently, has rights to people as things ...

    The whole question is whether he signed a non-disclosure paper .. If he did, then he violated the contract with the state ..
    1. carstorm 11 13 February 2020 14: 42 New
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      High treason, that is, espionage committed by a citizen of the Russian Federation, issuance to a foreign state, international or foreign organization or their representatives of information constituting a state secret entrusted to a person or made known to him by service, work, study or in other cases stipulated by the legislation of the Russian Federation, or providing financial, material, technical, consulting or other assistance to a foreign state, international or foreign organization, or their representatives in activities against the security of the Russian Federation. it’s not only whether he signed the documents or not. the fact is that you pass it on and to whom. an adult can’t help but understand that even if you didn’t sign something, it may be a state of secret anyway. the more so the scientist conversations with which the experts definitely held many times.
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        the fact is that you pass it on and to whom. an adult can not understand that even if you didn’t sign something maybe it is a state of secret anyway. the more so the scientist conversations with which the experts definitely held many times.

        There are no conversations without signing a non-disclosure paper .. if there is no such paper, then you can only violate your own moral standards ..
        1. carstorm 11 13 February 2020 14: 56 New
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          Not certainly in that way. you simply forget that there is access to state secret that requires a procedure for its processing and there is access to information constituting a state secret which requires simply familiarizing a specific person with information constituting a state secret authorized by an authorized official. In addition, there is the possibility of accidentally gaining access by the stupidity of the medium or due to some kind of errors. a person who receives this data so wives will be responsible for their transfer because ignorance of the laws does not exempt from liability. Well, as an example, you found a folder with a signature stamp in top secret. We photographed everything there and put it on the Internet. what do you think will happen to you after that?)
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              no one talks about accountability. just sometimes people take responsibility for a number of reasons and give admission. this is generally not uncommon in fact.
  • Gregory2 13 February 2020 14: 33 New
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    Traitor - he is a traitor in Africa, no matter how gold he is ...
    1. Michael vitman 13 February 2020 14: 44 New
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      The Color of the Nation became a traitor! This is already a problem!
    2. Andrey.AN 13 February 2020 15: 35 New
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      Well, yes, treason is treason, if you have not challenged the charge, then the charge is probably accurate.
  • carstorm 11 13 February 2020 14: 36 New
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    Well, come))) does this give him the right to do what he wants? for treason, they plant in any country.
  • sergo1914 13 February 2020 14: 37 New
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    Quote: Erich
    It’s like being a scientist in Russia, some kind of surrealism)) A person has a large number of patents, but the country, most likely, has rights to people as things ... very sad of course ...


    Gave a subscription? Gave. Agree with the terms? I agreed. Violated? I'm sorry.
  • Vladimir_2U 13 February 2020 14: 37 New
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    Snowden is a talented programmer and a man with a great conscience, he fought totalitarian surveillance, some kind of surrealism, a country with totalitarian intelligence agencies accuse him of espionage and theft of state property, and wants to throw him in jail, he is a man and not a thing!
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      About Snowden did not go now))
      1. Vladimir_2U 13 February 2020 14: 45 New
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        How would a parallel draw an analogy, do you not catch the similarities?
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          I don’t care about Snowden. I believe that a person can sell the fruits of his work to anyone and anyone, regardless of how “breakthrough” his idea is. If a man created, then this is his, if created by a large team, then the question is different
          1. Vladimir_2U 13 February 2020 15: 03 New
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            I believe that a person can sell the fruits of his work where

            I applaud while standing! When working at a closed facility, on a secret topic for a state account on state materials, a person has every right to squander left and right the fruits of "his" work, and even if he also breaks off the money for this, then there’s nothing to think about.
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              I applaud while standing!

              C'mon, a person simply has nothing to do with the army or the military-industrial complex, I suppose the humanities or shkolota in general. They have a very peculiar idea of ​​the secrets of what is commercial and what is state.
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                I have nothing to do with the military-industrial complex, I served only an urgent term. Above wrote where and when
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                  I have nothing to do with the military-industrial complex, I served only an urgent term.

                  Well, that's why you write nonsense like ....
                  If you didn’t sell your own, then you need to punish, if your own, then with what side the state

                  You are allowed. But still, think about it: here you wrote an encryption module with a private key for Windows Server, while you worked at Microsoft. Everything was fine, they wrote in one person, and then they transferred the source code to, say, the Chinese government or the Huawei ....
                  What will happen to you?
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                    If I work at Microsoft, then a lawsuit from the company awaits me, I will not be mistaken if I say that the multi-million dollar lawsuit. I think that in the contract there it will be indicated that something done at the workplace at the company's expense is owned by the company, if I did something like this outside the company's funds and without a private key, then "walk the soul." And so it is clear that the lawsuit will be
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                      If I work at Microsoft, then a lawsuit from the company awaits me, I will not be mistaken if I say that the multi-million dollar lawsuit.

                      This time. But if you betray this to us or China, then TWO is waiting for you.
                      And two are the charges under the article cooperation with the enemy of the United States (I’m not joking there was such an article introduced during the war) and 50 years in prison. At the same time, the microsoft then opens the codes at the request of the FSB .... This is how justice proceeds in a state of secrecy: not damage is important, the fact of cooperation with the enemy is important.
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                      Thank you I heard you
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                      It's my pleasure laughing
                      I don’t like Americans, but they have a lot to learn.
                      Especially in the field of legislation, one UNLIMITED JURISDICTION IS WHAT IT IS. Think for yourself, they issued an arrest warrant, no interpol - they themselves issued. Then they got a little man (maybe they kidnapped, or maybe they gave him to them), all sorts of human rights "like that?" To them. And they are all in accordance with the law, here is a warrant, they read out the rights to him, and even we will give out a free defense counsel, now only the FBI will interrogate him first and then the lawyer will.
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                      I treat everyone exactly, my father always taught me that there are good people and bad ones (or bad and good deeds). I myself carry out activities in the field of programming and development, I communicate a lot with someone from different countries))) A lot, by the way, who does not like Americans. Everyone intuitively understands that they from all over the world take cream for themselves at the expense of everyone and live, hence the attitude is the same for everyone)) And the fact that the Americans have the right to do this, I think this is because there are a lot of flaws in the whole world on issues of sovereignty and self-esteem.
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      I don’t care about Snowden. I believe that a person can sell the fruits of his work to anyone and anyone, regardless of how “breakthrough” his idea is. If a man created, then this is his, if created by a large team, then the question is different
      -that is a conditional person ("Siemens") invented, developed, manufactured absolutely NOT secret product - turbines ...
      The buyer wants to sell and there is (the RF) ... and here the person (Siemens) hand on hand, hand on hand - how dare you sell your (absolutely your !!!) product to someone in the Russian Federation ??? !!! Violated any laws of Germany? God forbid, everything in the framework of a regular business !!!
      And this "in a free democratic country" for an absolutely no secret product to its manufacturer ...
  • bk316 13 February 2020 14: 52 New
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    Snowden talented programmer

    Come on. Is that how you determined?
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      Whoever gets into the NSA is not taken, obviously! laughing
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        Whoever gets into the NSA is not taken, obviously!

        I understand that only programmers work in the NSA.
        What about the CIA? belay
        1. Vladimir_2U 13 February 2020 16: 55 New
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          I understand that only programmers work in the NSA

          You do not understand, exceptionally talented programmers. )))
  • Tiksi-3 13 February 2020 14: 43 New
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    A person has a large number of patents, but the country seems to have rights to people

    it is such people who are interested in foreign intelligence .... ordinary citizens they simply do not need
  • Chaldon48 13 February 2020 14: 45 New
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    Any country is obliged to protect information that is a state secret from premature disclosure. This should always be remembered by those who, to one degree or another, have a touch on her, this is an axiom.
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      If a person invented and developed something, it belongs to him. If this is something very breakthrough that also belongs to him. If this is done by a large team and he stole the work of the team and sold - this is a crime, I hope I clearly explained my point of view))
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        Quote: Erich
        If a person invented and developed something, it belongs to him.

        This is if privately. If you invented, invented, working for the money of a state or enterprise, using equipment, etc., of a state or enterprise, which happened with a high degree of probability, then you are wrong and that is to say the least. And if, moreover, using his official position, his authority and merits for which he was encouraged by the state and scouted out with access to secret and not very development, and then transferred to foreign intelligence services, or representatives of foreign business, then this is definitely a betrayal. And yes, some inventions and discoveries that are most significant for the state, as you say, cannot belong only to him, he is a citizen of the country, and in addition to the rights of a citizen, he also has obligations, and therefore if the state decides that his invention is admissible "National Treasure" or development that matters for the country's defense, it can classify it, declare it the property of the state, with all the ensuing consequences.
        1. Erich 13 February 2020 16: 32 New
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          There are human rights to be free and to move wherever he wants. This is about that part of your message where you write about the national heritage and defense)) Here the state needs to go three letters)) What kind of obligation does a citizen have: which obliges him to fulfill the “Wishlist” of the state in terms of his personal achievements?
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            This is what such a duty a citizen has: which obliges him to fulfill the “Wishlist” of the state in terms of his personal achievements?

            This is the law, do not like not to eat, or eat while sitting. Personal achievements? For which received awards? Do they give everyone rewards for personal achievements? What are you talking about?
            1. Erich 13 February 2020 16: 46 New
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              You come up with strange rules of law already. Yes, people are awarded for personal achievements, is this news or innovation for you?
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                Here American scientists have given us information about the nuclear project. They were tried for this as criminals. But they prevented a nuclear war. This citizen sold state secrets, not particularly affecting parity, purely for profit. He who?
                1. Erich 13 February 2020 20: 48 New
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                  Scientist businessman
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                    Sold secret knowledge? Let him sit and think - was it worth it?
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                      To whom, I would let go))
                    2. Svarog51 13 February 2020 21: 12 New
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                      This is a private opinion, not a public one. You are a very kind person, but not visionary. Sometimes military service alone is not enough to understand that the state is constantly in need of protection, and not temporarily.
                    3. Erich 13 February 2020 21: 15 New
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                      As I do not pretend to be a global opinion)) I have it, the state has it)) I will have the opportunity to make my choice, I will make it)) So far I do not have such an opportunity at the state level))
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                      So I'm trying to convey that a person using the state, has appropriated sole rights. And he used them against the state, which gave him the opportunity to get them, against the state itself, for the sake of profit.
  • Warrior-80 13 February 2020 16: 25 New
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    That is, in your opinion, if he shared everything with kb, then this is not cheating; it turns out interestingly
    1. Erich 13 February 2020 16: 32 New
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      And here to share with all the KB?
  • Dart2027 13 February 2020 14: 49 New
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    That's how to be a scientist in Russia

    That is, there are no questions regarding the charges brought?
    1. Erich 13 February 2020 14: 57 New
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      There is not enough material to consider any facts. I comment so far only what I see. It is important to find out whether he sold his developments or not.
      1. Dart2027 13 February 2020 17: 03 New
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        It is important to find out if he sold his developments or

        Any development within the framework of work with the secrecy of his own can not be.
  • Horon 13 February 2020 14: 59 New
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    In Israel, a scientist will be given a prize and patted on the head if they find out that he was selling secrets to Iran. Well, yes, we believe with pleasure! wassat
    1. Erich 13 February 2020 15: 22 New
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      When did we become Israel? Question about the Russian spud from Russia
      1. Horon 13 February 2020 15: 27 New
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        Any state protects its secrets, and Russia is no exception.
  • Roman070280 13 February 2020 15: 07 New
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    Man has a large number of patents.


    And some "Rogozin" because of this has not received a substantial profit ..
  • Mavrikiy 13 February 2020 15: 58 New
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    It’s like being a scientist in Russia, some kind of surrealism)) A person has a large number of patents, but the country, most likely, has rights to people as things ... very sad of course ...

    It is sad, of course, that everybody tramples on their native land ..... angry
    1. Erich 13 February 2020 16: 33 New
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      You already then capitalize the Native Land to enhance the effect))
      1. Mavrikiy 13 February 2020 17: 50 New
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        You already then capitalize the Native Land to enhance the effect))

        Well, the liberals need the effect and snot, and a decent person already understands the identity "native land = Homeland".
        1. Erich 13 February 2020 18: 37 New
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          Everyone has their own concepts, I have a decent person who takes and bears responsibility for people close to him, does not deviate from his ideas and attitudes)) You can have something else, or it can be the same. This is normal))
          1. Mavrikiy 13 February 2020 21: 43 New
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            Everyone has their own concepts, I have a decent person who takes and bears responsibility for people close to him, does not deviate from his ideas and attitudes)) You can have something else, or it can be the same. This is normal))

            Rave. For the sake of responsibility for loved ones, are you ready to open the gates of your city and sell your homeland? And is that decency? Look for other criteria, you are our decent. angry
            1. Erich 13 February 2020 21: 48 New
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              I have 4 children (3 lives with me) and I am working to make their future and present more worthy than they are now. I am responsible for my family, the country is important to you and my family is important to me, before you need to sell something, it happened historically that my relatives built not Russia but other countries. I am still with my family in Russia (Chelyabinsk). You are not my enemy and I do not feel any hostility or hatred towards you. You want to build your country - build, no one bothers you.
              1. Mavrikiy 13 February 2020 21: 54 New
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                I am still with my family in Russia

                Wind in the back. request
                1. Erich 13 February 2020 21: 57 New
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                  Thank you))
  • Ros 56 13 February 2020 16: 55 New
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    Sasha, how can the number of patents be linked with treason? Where is the connection? That's the stupidity of the minuses and stuck.
    1. Erich 13 February 2020 17: 06 New
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      I am not an expert in this topic, I think that if a person invents something himself this is his property and he can do anything with it. Even if it's a breakthrough technology. My rating is already -3000 (even more, it quickly goes down), but I'm interested in the opinion of forum users on similar issues)) I have been reading VO for about 3 years, but only recently I went in and restored the page from the ban (it was banned without warning)
      1. Ros 56 13 February 2020 17: 16 New
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        Without warning, nothing happens here, not even a ban. I see the number 6, so I have warnings, and they banned me for different periods. This is the first.
        No need to pretend to be a felt boot, even children know what is good and what is bad. And uncle with patents, yes with secret and even more so. So let her say thanks that her forehead was not smeared secretly with green stuff. Tie any crap to carry. This is the second. negative stop bully
        1. Erich 13 February 2020 17: 18 New
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          I wrote about the warnings, after that I was unban. Yes, of course, good and bad. In this case, a very dark story.
  • Borsht 13 February 2020 16: 56 New
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    Yes, he probably had a senile brain liquefaction and memory failure about how he gave non-disclosure subscriptions. This is such a trifle, right? And he most likely merged only that which he created completely himself, and in his spare time from work. In the daytime for Russia, I worked hard, in the evening for Micronesia - everyone is happy, because science is beyond all boundaries and conventions!
    1. Erich 13 February 2020 17: 07 New
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      That's the question, what specifically sold. What he himself worked on and his idea or the general line of development of something))
  • Nitarius 14 February 2020 04: 51 New
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    and where do such smart people come from .. A TRAITOR .. he is a traitor! if you started to drain Old over the hill! and don’t need these combustible tears here .... SUCH to be put on the wall .. they give a deadline!
  • Keyser soze 13 February 2020 14: 37 New
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    Article by nothing. What he sold, to whom he sold, how, why - everything should be in the business and the journalist can probably be found in a search engine. And so, without details, it’s like press communication - Horns and Hooves LLC started selling green stockings in the market ....
  • Tuzik 13 February 2020 14: 41 New
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    “What exactly the accused did was not known, since the details of the case were under the heading“ Secret. ”
    I wonder why the reason is classified? After all, this may not be connected with scientific activity, but with this:
    "In addition to science, Alexey Temirev was engaged in design and production activities, being the CEO and co-founder of several companies in Rostov-on-Don and Novocherkassk."
    1. Dart2027 13 February 2020 14: 51 New
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      I wonder why the reason is classified?

      So he is convicted of transmitting classified information. It also happens that not only information is secret, but also the fact of its availability.
      1. Tuzik 13 February 2020 14: 59 New
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        Well said)
        I mean, without voicing the reason, in the internet now there are typed up options with a slide.
        1. Dart2027 13 February 2020 16: 59 New
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          Quote: Tuzik
          without voicing the reason, in an Internet of options now

          And it doesn’t matter. Fans of shouting about the "bloody regime" will still be indignant.
  • Gennady Fomkin 13 February 2020 14: 55 New
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    laughing Lavrenty Pavlovich quickly found application for “Talents” in a short-circuit, but in fact he stole other people's ideas and sold them as his own. Besides science, Alexey Temirev was engaged in design and production activities, being the general director and co-founder of several companies in Rostov-on-Don and Novocherkassk. The question is when did he do science? Among my friends, for some reason, there are none.
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    What exactly the accused did was not known, since the details of the case were under the heading “Secret.”
    It is very convenient that the Golunov’s case or the Network couldn’t be classified? Yes, and it is not clear why they gave 7,5, not 18 or 25, they wanted a pensioner, as they say to the young way?)))
  • Lord of the Sith 13 February 2020 15: 14 New
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    In sharashka him, to deal with. If you are accused, then there is a reason.
    1. MoJloT 13 February 2020 15: 38 New
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      If you are accused, then there is a reason.
      Without details, it is not clear whether or not there is a system for which, if you got into the millstones of the FSB, you’ll get a term of 100%, otherwise the person in uniform is working badly, and this is impossible a priori.
      1. Lord of the Sith 13 February 2020 15: 43 New
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        Hmm, how do you know how the FSB in particular, and the special services in general, work?

        Were there?
        1. MoJloT 13 February 2020 15: 43 New
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          how exactly does the FSB in particular, and the special services in general?
          I read the news, tape ru, and all that.
          1. Lord of the Sith 13 February 2020 15: 46 New
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            Then it is clear. All sorts of news, grandmothers on the bench were told, the saleswoman Zina whispered from the grocery))
            The true truth, who knows better than them how intelligence agencies work? laughing wink
            1. MoJloT 13 February 2020 15: 50 New
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              who knows better than them how intelligence agencies work? laughing wink
              The Golunovs and other little-known, but from that more tragic personalities know ...
  • Victor March 47 13 February 2020 15: 46 New
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    Quote: Erich
    It’s like being a scientist in Russia, some kind of surrealism)) A person has a large number of patents, but the country, most likely, has rights to people as things ... very sad of course ...

    You were badly taught at school. It was necessary to keep at least these words of the Classic on the head with a ruler: "You may not be a poet, but you must be a citizen." Once said, crosses over the years of exploits. There is NO forgiveness and mitigation of guilt.
    For what he did in the past, he received both awards and titles. Material reward is without a doubt. But it ALREADY HAS. Get it today.
    1. Erich 13 February 2020 16: 35 New
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      You drive these words to your children))
  • Avior 13 February 2020 15: 50 New
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    Temirev, a colleague, the most famous electric drive, Doctor of Technical Sciences, worked in the field of robust control systems for a valve electric drive. Personally, I do not know, according to the work, I have seen it repeatedly. There is his dissertation, you can download it if someone wants
    . 64-year-old Novocherkassk scientist Alexei Temirev, who is accused of treason, was detained on July 18. Then he himself appeared to the FSB officers in order to check the secrecy of the documents of the IRIS design bureau (“Intelligent Robust Integrated Systems”), which is the scientist’s place of work, the accused’s lawyer said.

    Polozova emphasized that Temirev was charged with transmitting information about equipment that he created in the design bureau together with his graduate student from Vietnam. According to investigators, the scientist forwarded secret data to the same country. Also, the accused’s lawyer noted that all this information about the equipment is publicly available, “in the book that is in every library.”

    Those who want to familiarize themselves with their joint work with the Vietnamese in the operation of valve-induction motors can see St. Petersburg State Electrotechnical University “LETI” named after V.I. Ulyanova, p. 50

    https://etu.ru/assets/files/Izvestia_10_2016.pdf

    But just in case, I advise you to think .... Not funny ...
  • Avior 13 February 2020 16: 12 New
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    What would it be clear what a person was doing, here is the topic of his doctoral
    Development of problem-oriented components of electrical complexes of a diesel-electric submarine and their control systems

    Find by name and surname is not a problem. By the way, I found in his doctorate that although I personally do not remember him, about 20 years ago we were at the same event.
  • Zaurbek 13 February 2020 16: 17 New
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    You can arrange a sharashka so that such cadres continue to work fruitfully for the good of the homeland.
    1. Avior 13 February 2020 16: 35 New
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      It will not be long. Just run away From the country all who are worth something.
      1. Erich 13 February 2020 16: 54 New
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        This is bad? People are looking for the best conditions for themselves.
        1. Mavrikiy 13 February 2020 17: 57 New
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          Quote: Erich
          This is bad? People are looking for the best conditions for themselves.

          The pig also spoils where he lives, improving his living conditions.
          1. Erich 13 February 2020 18: 35 New
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            Everything in life happens)) If she is well then why not))
            1. Mavrikiy 13 February 2020 21: 45 New
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              Quote: Erich
              Everything in life happens)) If she is well then why not))

              It does not happen if you are a man, not a pig. Vlasovites, also people and fascists?
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    2. Erich 13 February 2020 16: 36 New
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      But what is there, immediately in the life-long slavery of him and his family. Are you crazy chtoli?
      1. Zaurbek 13 February 2020 16: 54 New
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        So if he sold his homeland? ! They gave it about 5 years, let it work for 5 years. Do not sew onions for him?
        1. Erich 13 February 2020 21: 01 New
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          I think it will work out on parole)) Maybe he won’t do anything there, he’ll read books))
  • awg75 13 February 2020 16: 22 New
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    under such an article, one should give life without options.
  • Lamata 13 February 2020 16: 32 New
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    It’s a matter of reading, but one can think of anything.
  • Calm 13 February 2020 16: 37 New
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    Many factories and enterprises even go out to ordinary workers performing certain operations on machine tools and owning this or that information, cases are simply darkness throughout the country, at a helicopter factory in Kazan alone there were several cases where a Chinese spy was working out several workers fishing for information
  • Victor March 47 13 February 2020 16: 37 New
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    You drive these words to your children))

    They drove you another. Hence the mess in the head and other parts.
    1. Erich 13 February 2020 16: 52 New
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      They drove mine to mine, to you mine. You don’t need to go to each other and respect the freedom of another person and everything will be fine))
      1. Mavrikiy 13 February 2020 18: 00 New
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        Quote: Erich
        They drove mine to mine, to you mine. You don’t need to go to each other and respect the freedom of another person and everything will be fine))

        Well, do not go. Respect the opinions of potential traitors - betray the country.
        1. Erich 13 February 2020 18: 35 New
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          Well, duck and do not climb, expressed his opinion and nothing more. They are traitors for some, for me they are not traitors)) On that and we will solve))
          1. Mavrikiy 13 February 2020 21: 49 New
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            Quote: Erich
            Well, duck and do not climb, expressed his opinion and nothing more. They are traitors for some, for me they are not traitors)) On that and we will solve))

            No, we won’t do it. Traitors are traitors. If you are the same, then run with your loved ones from this country, because you will sit for 5-10 years, and your responsibility for them will quack.
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              No, I won’t sit down. I do not sell what I did not do myself. Everything else is not interesting to me))
  • Karacupa 13 February 2020 16: 40 New
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    Comrade Stalin probably more than once in the grave turned over from the current term for treason ... A year or two later they will release and again he will hand over everything and everyone ..
  • Victor March 47 13 February 2020 16: 43 New
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    Quote: Avior
    Temirev, a colleague, the most famous electric drive, Doctor of Technical Sciences, worked in the field of robust control systems for a valve electric drive. Personally, I do not know, according to the work, I have seen it repeatedly. There is his dissertation, you can download it if someone wants
    . 64-year-old Novocherkassk scientist Alexei Temirev, who is accused of treason, was detained on July 18. Then he himself appeared to the FSB officers in order to check the secrecy of the documents of the IRIS design bureau (“Intelligent Robust Integrated Systems”), which is the scientist’s place of work, the accused’s lawyer said.

    Polozova emphasized that Temirev was charged with transmitting information about equipment that he created in the design bureau together with his graduate student from Vietnam. According to investigators, the scientist forwarded secret data to the same country. Also, the accused’s lawyer noted that all this information about the equipment is publicly available, “in the book that is in every library.”

    Those who want to familiarize themselves with their joint work with the Vietnamese in the operation of valve-induction motors can see St. Petersburg State Electrotechnical University “LETI” named after V.I. Ulyanova, p. 50

    https://etu.ru/assets/files/Izvestia_10_2016.pdf

    But just in case, I advise you to think .... Not funny ...

    To know what the hell you wrote it here for. Thesis, innovations in the electric drive. Open message in a scientific or pseudoscientific journal. How can this justify a person who apparently divulged some, is not permissible for the ears of others? Or were there boobies in court who did not read the documents governing the rules of classified information? I have long been familiar with these rules. And I can judge that not everything can be talked drunk. Even at a respectable age. Earn-pay.
    1. Avior 13 February 2020 17: 07 New
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      There they doubted above that he was a scientist. So - he is a scientist and well-known. Behind it, a scientific school is in that area that is urgently needed by the modern Russian fleet. And for many years, He and his students dealt with issues of modern electric drive, including with regard to reducing noise and increasing the range of submarines. He had initiative developments, he did not cut money on beaten topics, as is usual.
      But now it seems that those wishing to work in this area among his associates will be reduced.
      It is clear why I wrote?
      And you, as I see, have no idea what the matter is there, and you are ready to condemn. Near-scientific journals, yeah.
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        If I were a scientist, I would have fallen from Russia long ago.
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          Thinking, now he regrets that he has not left.
          And those who know it are thoughtful
  • Victor March 47 13 February 2020 16: 45 New
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    It’s a matter of reading, but one can think of anything.

    Shchaz.
  • polar fox 13 February 2020 17: 47 New
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    the impression was created that he was simply “taken out” of the game in this way ... lives for himself and does not bother under a different name and also works. too clumsyly filed information.
  • Victor March 47 13 February 2020 17: 56 New
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    Quote: Avior
    There they doubted above that he was a scientist. So - he is a scientist and well-known. Behind it, a scientific school is in that area that is urgently needed by the modern Russian fleet. And for many years, He and his students dealt with issues of modern electric drive, including with regard to reducing noise and increasing the range of submarines. He had initiative developments, he did not cut money on beaten topics, as is usual.
    But now it seems that those wishing to work in this area among his associates will be reduced.
    It is clear why I wrote?
    And you, as I see, have no idea what the matter is there, and you are ready to condemn. Near-scientific journals, yeah.

    Did they judge him for being a scientist or for his scum? We discuss not clumsy presentation, but the act. How can the condemnation of the enemy affect my work (for example)? If I am engaged in similar, even completely different jobs, then I solve my problems. And to me on the fact that they put some on the shkonka. I do not work for him. And the fact of condemnation itself will strengthen discipline in the community of people related to science, discoveries and communication with foreigners. Saying that it scares and discourages engaging in a business to which life has dedicated can only complete and so on.
    1. Avior 13 February 2020 18: 26 New
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      Yes, complete. A smart one will leave to do what he loves to where he is not threatened with a deadline to receive for an official graduate student-foreigner. Or simply change the scope of activity and make efforts not for defense.
      And then they will put him in prison, and there will be those who, without knowing anything about the case, without blinking an eye, declare that they put him for some “scum”
  • Old26 13 February 2020 21: 36 New
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    Gave a subscription? Gave. Agree with the terms? I agreed. Violated? I'm sorry.

    From the text of the message it is not clear when he generally gave a subscription. He is now 64 years old. In Novocherkassk, after graduating from the NPI, he could work in one of the three design bureaus in particular. Before I received the admission form I could only use chipboard documents. But when issued - gave a subscription. Even if he later went to the department, but there were contracts under the auspices of the Ministry of Defense, then research or development work could go with the bar.
    In short, he conveyed something, although it was unlikely to be a deliberate act (since he himself came to consult with the FSB).

    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    laughing Lavrenty Pavlovich quickly found application for “Talents” in a short-circuit, but in fact he stole other people's ideas and sold them as his own. Besides science, Alexey Temirev was engaged in design and production activities, being the general director and co-founder of several companies in Rostov-on-Don and Novocherkassk. The question is when did he do science? Among my friends, for some reason, there are none.

    He was the head of the department at Electromech. And when was he engaged in science? Here in KB probably engaged.

    Quote: Erich
    I am not an expert in this topic, I think that if a person invents something himself this is his property and he can do anything with it.

    Not really. If he received patents on closed topics, then he could not do anything with these patents.

    Quote: Avior
    Yes, complete. A smart one will leave to do what he loves to where he is not threatened with a deadline to receive for an official graduate student-foreigner. Or simply change the scope of activity and make efforts not for defense.

    It is a possible option. In addition, our judicial system works for the final result. Planted - plus system. An acquittal is for a judge BIG minus.
    And you can rattle even for what is essentially no secret. There was a case in the 90s when one of ... well, let's say historians using translation material, tried to publish his book. Hardly from the prison otmazyvatsya. He was accused of collecting intelligence information on the deployment of units and formations (although all this was in the Western edition) and "declassifying" non-secret indexes ... so that anyone can get into the millstone of our judicial system
    1. Avior 14 February 2020 01: 27 New
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      This is a very common problem. someone gets asterisks, but there’s no big deal
      In practice, it turned out to be secret that there is no big problem to declare even what is publicly available.
      Temirev was not an employee of any defense research institute, he was not involved in strictly specific research on military topics, he was a scientist with a wide range of interests and open publications, developments affecting military secrets were clearly only part of his work.
      Valve drives and robust systems have the widest distribution, from torpedoes and submarines, to electric vehicles and drones, he was primarily concerned with the theoretical foundations of such drives.
      while looking at Temirev, I found this
      https://www.newkaliningrad.ru/news/community/23539845-na-nee-dones-drug-iz-fsb-rasskaz-ottsa-kaliningradki-obvinennoy-v-gosizmene.html
      read what you can rattle
      and for the fact that he mixed the military commissar with open work, a particularly high risk group
  • Victor March 47 13 February 2020 22: 03 New
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    Yes, complete. A smart one will leave to do what he loves to where he is not threatened with a deadline to receive for an official graduate student-foreigner. Or simply change the scope of activity and make efforts not for defense.
    And then they will put him in prison, and there will be those who, without knowing anything about the case, without blinking an eye, declare that they put him for some “scum”

    If you do some work related to closed topics, then no foreign graduate student will be allowed to work with you. On a cannon shot. And they will check theirs before ..... Admission to secret documents takes several years. (I wanted to say, years). And BEFORE this, neither you nor you ..... And they will warn you with a subscription about non-disclosure. So all of a sudden this is not done. What make a fool of yourself? It’s immediately obvious that you are neither in science, nor in special topics, nor with your foot.
    1. Avior 14 February 2020 01: 33 New
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      64-year-old Alexei Temirev taught at the South Russian State Polytechnic University. M. I. Platova - one of the most famous Russian universities.
      This, in fact, was his place of work in the first place. Most of his scientific works were open in nature, published in the open press.
      And like any teacher with a doctoral degree had graduate students, this is the most common thing, he did not need any special permissions to do this.
      And here you are telling
      It’s immediately obvious that you are neither in science, nor in special topics, nor with your foot.

      here you definitely have no idea about scientific university work ...
  • Old26 14 February 2020 12: 29 New
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    and for the fact that he mixed the military commissar with open work, a particularly high risk group

    That is yes. Unfortunately, in no way can you avoid participating in research and development work with the Ministry of Defense if you have the necessary experience on the topic. Plus, work at the department of a large university almost always means the presence of graduate students not from Russia. And there you can always “sew” the case, because the subject of the graduate student can indirectly, but come in contact with the topic performed for the Ministry of Defense. And plus contacts with foreigners are always a risk group ...

    Quote: Victor March 47
    If you do some work related to closed topics, then no foreign graduate student will be allowed to work with you. On a cannon shot. And they will check theirs before ..... Admission to secret documents takes several years. (I wanted to say, years). And BEFORE this, neither you nor you ..... And they will warn you with a subscription about non-disclosure. So all of a sudden this is not done. What make a fool of yourself? It’s immediately obvious that you are neither in science, nor in special topics, nor with your foot.

    This in the days of the Union could not allow any foreign graduate student. More precisely, the topic of his dissertation would be far enough from the subject of closed works, so that he could not even accidentally come into contact with closed data. Nevertheless, there were foreign graduate students. And the head of the department could simultaneously hold the position of director-chief designer in the design bureau, which was engaged in defense topics. And in Soviet times, there were at least such graduate students.
    If there was a place for information about a graduate student, then there is also a flaw in the university’s security services, which either overshadowed that the topic of the graduate student’s dissertation is in some way related to the subject of closed works, voluntarily or involuntarily, but he could gain access to the source materials. Or at the time they did not replace the head of this graduate student with another one who did not have access to the company where the topic was developed in the interests of the Moscow Region

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    Yes, he probably had a senile brain liquefaction and memory failure about how he gave non-disclosure subscriptions. This is such a trifle, right? And he most likely merged only that which he created completely himself, and in his spare time from work. In the daytime for Russia, I worked hard, in the evening for Micronesia - everyone is happy, because science is beyond all boundaries and conventions!

    How we love to hang up labels, not knowing all that was there. Do you think that a non-disclosure subscription is a huge “volume” in which everything is written that may or may not be a state secret? A5 format paper with several lines, including articles of the Criminal Code, if you suddenly want to convey something to someone. The deadline is also specified depending on the form of admission. It is possible that he did not merge anything to anyone, and the graduate student had a dissertation topic close to a "closed topic." And somehow came into contact with the source data.

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    64-year-old Alexei Temirev taught at the South Russian State Polytechnic University. M. I. Platova - one of the most famous Russian universities.

    I wonder if we met him. In LETI, they certainly didn’t meet, but in the NPI for 14 years they may have touched.
    1. Avior 14 February 2020 21: 23 New
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      In the list of approvals for his doctorate, I found the event I was at.
      And the nuance is such that to get accused of divulging state secrets and treason it is not necessary to subscribe to this information before that. In 275 this is not specified, there is a wide interpretation. Moreover, you may not know that it is a state secret, it will be clarified at the examination later.
      There is a well-known example of one kid who accidentally found out what was then determined as a state secret at the second examination. On the first - no.
      So this is not directly related to the receipt and admission
  • candidate 14 February 2020 19: 35 New
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    ... Science and Business - incompatible
    Different goals in life lead
    And greed stands between them
    To someone who did not understand, a caput comes ...