Kiev refused to supply water to Crimea before its "de-occupation"

Ukraine will not supply water to the Crimean peninsula under any conditions until "it is under occupation." The relevant decision was made today by the relevant committee of the Verkhovna Rada. This was announced by the deputy from the faction of the European Solidarity Party Alexei Goncharenko.

At a meeting of the relevant committee, the issue of a possible resumption of water supplies to the Crimea on various conditions was discussed, but it was decided that there would be no supplies until the “de-occupation” of the peninsula.

The Verkhovna Rada Committee on Human Rights, De-occupation and Reintegration of the Occupied Territories of Crimea and Donbass, National Minorities and Interethnic Relations Decided on the impossibility of supplying water to Crimea before its de-occupation

- Goncharenko wrote on his page in Telegram.

Recall that earlier the head of the "Servant of the People" faction, David Arahamia, said that it is possible to exchange water supplies to Crimea through the North Crimean Canal for Russian concessions in the Donbass, and ex-president of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk proposed to "just sell" water to Crimea.

In Crimea, they criticized the proposal of Arahamia and stated that "they do not change people for water." The Kremlin stressed that Crimea could not be subject to any exchanges.

Comments

[shark]

Eventually. What will be done with water in Crimea? The problem is worth it. For 6 years, many attempts have been made to rectify the situation. But there is still no solution .. And if in the mountainous and coastal Crimea with water, everything is poorly poor, it seems not very bad. That northern and central Crimea without water is getting worse. And in the Soviet years, such crops were taken there ...

[Thrall]

All you need to know about deputies of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine:

[St Petrov]

Deputies are clowns, the clown president is okay. And where is 30 million civil society?
Or from them it is possible, as with plasticine, to sculpt what you want?

PS minus no minus, slave, but I will dunk you in it every day.

[New Year day]

Quote: s-t Petrov

And where is 30 million civil society?

Very good question!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: s-t Petrov

PS minus no minus, slave, but I will dunk you in it every day.

That's right, dunk and dunk again!

[St Petrov]

dunk and dunk again!

[Lipchanin]

Crush him, crush !!!

Masterpiece

[Den717]

Quote: s-t Petrov

And where is 30 million civil society?

In the kitchens ... They are waiting for the end of all this ....., the coming of a good ruler, distributing the benefits of civilization, and all without questions and calls to tear the nurse from the sofa.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Den717

Waiting for the end of all this ....., the coming of a good ruler,

They waited. Presclown threw them in all directions
And they are waiting for "Russia will come, it will put things in order"

[Kronos]

And what do they care about the fact that someone in the Crimea does not have water since he is now in Russia?

[cat Rusich]

Kronos - residents of Ukraine still do not recognize Crimea as part of Russia. According to the logic (of a healthy person), it is unreasonable to deprive of water those whom you consider your citizens ... "to put it mildly". But the conversation about the "health" of the inhabitants of Ukraine separate topic.

[Kronos]

Not residents but the authorities of Ukraine

[cat Rusich]

The answer to your comment about "30 million civil society" in Ukraine, which has nothing to do with the "thirst" of those living in Crimea due to the fact that Crimea is in Russia.

[Erich]

And you did not think that 30 million civil society did not care about this situation?

[St Petrov]

And you did not think that 30 million civil society did not care about this situation?

it can’t just be. This is hardship. Decay. The fall in living standards.
Direct effect on their wallet

Yes, and a herd of baboons running with grenades, millions of trunks of illegal weapons in their hands, who will like it or leave them indifferent?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: s-t Petrov

a herd of baboons running with grenades, millions of trunks of illegal weapons in their hands,

That's why they sit and are silent

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Lipchanin

That's why they sit and are silent

But what about the famous:
Grandfather found a grenade in the field,
He took it and went to the Verkhovna Rada,
Quietly crept and threw out the window:
Grandfather is old - he doesn’t care ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: ROSS 42

But what about the famous:
Grandfather found a grenade in the field,
He took it and went to the Verkhovna Rada,
Quietly crept and threw out the window:
Grandfather is old - he doesn’t care ..

[4ekist]

As for the herd, I agree.

[210ox]

People are busy with the issue of survival, politics for them pah. Yes, and many are reformatted. And with Russian names and surnames. Note, in the ATO (parsing) mainly Russian speakers participate. Zapadentsev over the hill, they have achieved their goal.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: s-t Petrov

PS minus no minus, slave, but I will dunk you in it every day.

We will help

[Lipchanin]

Quote: s-t Petrov

. And where is 30 million civil society?

Since the beginning of the Maidan. "Mayakhataskra"

[revnagan]

Quote: Lipchanin

Since the beginning of the Maidan. "Mayakhataskra"

Why are you lying? ”Anti-Maid sentiment in 2014 was very strong. Natsiks were beaten with mortal combat by ordinary people all over Ukraine, except for Banderism. But the West helped the Bandera people with all its might: first of all, legally. It recognized all their actions as legitimate. Moral and material support in any corner of Ukraine. And the anti-Maidan, who worked on a volunteer basis, was unable to resist this. Oplot did not receive any. support and development from the outside. People who left for Donbass to fight with Bandera, have no opportunity to return, there is nowhere to return. And when it became clear that the Russian Federation was solving its problems, hiding behind the "Russian spring" and Donbass, that Ukraine is needed only as a colony, sane decided this: why run into a threat to life, health and some kind of welfare, if in return for one system of oppression you get another, exactly the same?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: revnagan

Why are you lying? The anti-Maidan mood in 2014 was very strong.

Mood. But not the case.

Simple people across Ukraine beat Natsik with mortal combat

I have not seen one video
But there are a lot of videos of how they "Berkut" beat

And when it became clear that the Russian Federation is solving its problems

Have you bred this Bandera since the 90s, and Russia should have been engaged in it?
Whose country is it?
Who should live in it?

: why run into a threat to life, health and any kind of welfare,

Right. Russians should have

run into a threat to life, health

I well remember how in Odessa, in the house of Trade Unions, people burned and asked for help, and the same Odessa people walked nearby and filmed everything on their cell phones. What did some walk with strollers
And after that you say that you have nothing to do with it and Russia is to blame?

[NEXUS]

Quote: s-t Petrov

And where is 30 million civil society?

They are waiting for the next Maidan, so that for these 30 million the fate of the country will be decided by a couple of tens of thousands of frostbitten and Judas bought with giblets.

[Patriot 1]

So the same organization (USAID) composed the constitution for Russia in 1993.

[4ekist]

This clown from the picture should sit near the bucket in Lefortovo and crow.

[Nastia makarova]

they won’t do anything, they said they would transfer to drought-resistant cultures

[novel66]

about! it is necessary for the Jews, they know how, for the money that you want to grow

[novel66]

anyway, with the selection of drought-resistant varieties, they have everything in order

[bionik]

They have a global water supply network (in particular, irrigation) throughout the country, a very complex structure from natural sources to wastewater treatment.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

won't do anything

Will be. The bridge was built, non-volatility provided.
It’s just a very complicated matter. In technical terms

[Nastia makarova]

I didn’t hear that there were plans to stretch the conduit

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

I didn’t hear that there were plans to stretch the conduit

Yes, it was somewhere right after the email. cables held there.
And they didn’t tell anyone about the bridge until they started building

[Nastia makarova]

yes it was at the rumor level

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

yes it was at the rumor level

Well no.
It has long been. But it seems like someone from officialdom
I do not remember..
I will not argue ..

[Nastia makarova]

the main thing is that now there is nothing

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

the main thing is that now there is nothing

That is yes. The problem has not yet been resolved

[Lipchanin]

Below is a comment on this issue.

[210ox]

Pull water from the Kuban !? God forbid! We do not have enough water in the region; Crimea must manage with its resources.

[Nastia makarova]

and if your own no resources?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Lipchanin

It’s just a very complicated matter. In technical terms

- In what respect?
- In the technical ...

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Is a 1200 mm pipe for gas not suitable for water? Or 370 km by land and a few km by sea is a great sadness? Lift stations were built and in one season they brought water to the Crimea from the Krasnodar reservoir to Crimea. It is necessary only technical.

[Lipchanin]

Actually, to get started, you need to make a project
It seems so simple from the sofa.
"I took the pipe and threw it and the water began to flow"
From where, where, on which way; how many pumping stations do you need?
And a lot more.
Let's start with the fact that we have only one pipe layer and only recently bought one

[Livonetc]

For example, Cyprus has a similar problem.
In northern Cyprus (occupied by Turkey), the problem was solved by laying a water conduit from Turkey along the bottom of the sea.
In the Republic of Cyprus, a system of reservoirs was created in (about 108 reservoirs of different volumes), which accumulates spring runoff from the mountains.
We started a program to create desalination facilities, but with the advent of fin. crisis program curtailed.
In general, there are water problems now.
Drinking water is mainly bought and delivered by tankers, in particular from Greece.

In Crimea, a set of measures is required.
This is the creation of new reservoirs, desalination plants, highly technologically advanced wastewater treatment systems, and laying a conduit from the mainland.
The volume of groundwater for geological reasons is very limited, but it can also be taken into account.
In the case of Crimea, very serious financial investments are required in the relevant infrastructure.
And of course time, this problem cannot be solved at once.

[Ggc1]

The ideal solution is to build a pipeline to the Crimea, to lay pipes for irrigation of land in the Crimea itself. And then with such problems with water - who will go to Crimea to have a rest if water is served on a clock basis and hot water on weekends?

[Po-tzan]

Quote: GGC1

And then with such problems with water - who will go to Crimea to have a rest if water is supplied hourly?

Patriots who did not exchange their MOTHERLAND for Turkish ol-inclusive!

[gurzuf]

We went and will go. On the South Coast, there are no problems with water supply and there have not been. Come, do not regret it.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Livonetc

And of course time, this problem cannot be solved at once.

We need to design, calculate, find the money. Although the third is not the most difficult point

[Andrea]

Crimea without water is getting worse. And in the Soviet years, such crops were taken there.

Turkey supplies water to its part of Cyprus via a pipeline. With the Bridge they said "A", with the water you need to say "B".

[iouris]

Quote: shark

What will be done with water in Crimea?

And it turns out, without water and neither tudes nor syudes ... If Crimea is the Russian Federation, then shutting off water to the Crimea is aggression. The only possible response to aggression is power. Israel will understand you.

[Piramidon]

Quote: shark

The problem is worth it. For 6 years, many attempts have been made to rectify the situation. But there is still no solution.

The problem is being solved.

Thanks to the support of the Ministry of Natural Resources of Russia, a project was implemented in Crimea to use groundwater to organize water supply for the population of the peninsula. In particular, in September 2016, the construction of three water intakes was completed, 36 wells were drilled, the total volume of water supplied amounted to 195 thousand cubic meters. m per day, which made it possible to provide drinking water to about 400 thousand residents of the Eastern Crimea according to a temporary scheme that is still in use.

The construction of the water supply path from the above water intakes will be completed by 2022. Feodosia, Sudak, Kerch, as well as the settlements of the Leninsky district will be fully provided with high-quality drinking water. In some Crimean villages, in which water was supplied hourly for 15-20 years, round-the-clock water supply was established.

https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6966385

[Po-tzan]

Quote: shark

Eventually. What will be done with water in Crimea? The problem is worth it. For 6 years, many attempts have been made to rectify the situation. But there is still no solution .. And if in the mountainous and coastal Crimea with water, everything is poorly poor, it seems not very bad. That northern and central Crimea without water is getting worse. And in the Soviet years, such crops were taken there ...

Filmed. Because the Soviet leadership understood Crimea's dependence on fresh water from mainland Ukraine. People here are very fond of scolding the "fool and tyrant" Khrushchev, not realizing that he connected Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR not because of the desire of the left heel, but because without it, Crimea (except, perhaps, a narrow coastal strip) in a few years will turn into a saline desert, and the soil will be salted.

[Sapsan136]

Is Khrushchev not a criminal ?! He shot unarmed hungry people in Tbilisi and Novocherkassk, came to power by means of a military coup, instead of correcting the mistakes of Lenin, who transferred the land of Russia under the occupation of Ukraine and forcibly Ukrainized, he gave Crimea to Ukraine instead. .. ALL YOUR Ukraine on the map of 1654, within the borders of which it came to Russia from Poland, is not present in other places of Ukraine, was not and is not necessary ... The UNR map is not an argument, since it was painted in Lviv by Grushevsky with German money , who didn’t even have power in Lviv (Germans ruled there) but in Kharkov even more so!

[Po-tzan]

Quote: Sapsan136

Is Khrushchev not a criminal ?!

Criminal. Criminal and traitor.
As soon as Lenin died, it turned out that the second person in the party, Comrade Trotsky, was a traitor.
Kamenev, Zinoviev, Bukharin and Stalin overthrew Trotsky and expelled from the USSR.
But after a couple of years it became clear that Kamenev, Zinoviev and Bukharin are also enemies and pests.
Then the valiant comrade Heinrich Yagoda arrested them.
And a little later, Yezhov arrested Yagoda as an enemy agent.
But after a couple of years it turned out that Yezhov was not a comrade, but an ordinary traitor and an enemy agent.
And Yezhov arrested Beria. After the death of Stalin, everyone understood that Beria was also a traitor. Then Zhukov arrested Beria.
But soon Khrushchev learned that Zhukov was an enemy and a conspirator.
And he sent Zhukov to the Urals.
And later it was revealed that Stalin was an enemy, a pest and a traitor.
And with it, and most of the Politburo.
Then Stalin was taken out of the mausoleum, and the political bureau, comrades Molotov, Malenkov, Kaganovich and Shepilov, who joined them, were dispersed by honest party members led by Khrushchev.
Several years passed and it turned out that Khrushchev was a voluntarist, a rogue, an adventurer and an enemy. Then Brezhnev sent Khrushchev to retire.
Soon Brezhnev died, and it turned out that he was a pest and the cause of stagnation.
Then there were two more that no one had time to remember. But then a young, energetic Gorbachev came to power. And it turned out that the whole party was a gathering of pests and enemies, but he will fix everything right now.
It was then that the USSR collapsed.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

That the northern and central Crimea is getting worse without water ....... why did they take it and the offshore is such bad information ???? probably before injecting such nonsense it wouldn’t hurt to come and see what it’s like in the northern Crimea, and if not, then it’s not necessary to expose nonsense

[Zaval]

As a resident of the northern Crimea, Krasnoperekopsk, I will say this: industry, chemical have problems with water, since it was created under the technological cycle with high water consumption. In agriculture, since moisture-loving crops were grown, the whole north of Crimea grew rice, but they do not know how to grow other crops, they do not know them, they are afraid of them and therefore cry about how good it was to grow rice with excess water.
Due to the fact that chemical enterprises were forced to switch to pumping artesian water and use it in the technological process, only one Crimean soda plant drilled 10 wells on its territory to a depth of 100 meters, a problem arose with the quality of water supplied to the population, there was salinization of water , who are interested then here is the link to the official source

http://krp-rk.ru/index.php/mm-news/through-the-pages-of-the-media/22257-20200128-1

, as the population receives water from the same horizon. All this is compounded by a very high (over 40%) loss of drinking water due to the deterioration of water supply networks, water mains and intracity networks.
My personal opinion is a solution to this problem by reconstructing enterprises, the Titan factories and the Crimean soda plant, in order to change the technological process, repair the water supply system, in order to reduce or eliminate losses, drainage and water treatment systems, to ensure the possibility of using waste, treated, waters in the technological process of enterprises and agriculture. The introduction of drought-resistant crops into the agriculture of the region, which is already being done, but not enough, there is a fear of new crops, farmers do not know how to grow, do not know the sales market, they are banally afraid of flying over when sold. Therefore, these crops have to go on state procurement for some time.
We don’t even hope for water in the canal. Yes, and the canal bed, which is dry, with potholes, sometimes destroyed by a concrete coating, which even in Ukraine had up to 30% losses due to seeping through the canal, is hardly capable of receiving water after 5 years of dry downtime without major repairs, there will be promo and breakthroughs of the channel with flooding of villages.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

there is a fear of new cultures, ....... I remember in the zero years I worked part-time as a huckster. so they in Voynka were selling potatoes with wagons in the private sector, I didn’t see the rice market even there, and the potatoes were valid, it does not seem like the private trader was watering from the CCM back then, so I don’t know how to rice. it is extremely expensive in our Nizhny Novgorod region. without subsidies nor how. because he died back in the late 90s

[Zaval]

Rice was grown from Armyansk to Ilyinka and in the direction of Razdolny, there were only solid checks even along the roads. Under the rice, everything went where it was possible to plan for receipts. In Voinka, Pervomaisk and beyond rice was not planted, it was not profitable. There were irrigated lands for grain crops, they are still there, only irrigation is difficult. Potatoes, onions, melons, and urban crops were planted by private traders who "organized themselves", using pumps and fire hoses, irrigating from the CCC, or paying for water to the Water Management Board. Now it is hard for them now. Farmers are invited to grow flax, camelina, coriander, essential oils, remember abandoned and felled gardens .... This is what they are afraid of, they do not know, they do not know how to grow, and gardens take a long time. Therefore, for the fifth year they plant corn sunflower, not observing the crop rotation, finally finishing off the soil.
And even in Ukraine it’s not a bad business - direct exchange of rice, including for potatoes, which were brought from Volyn and Chernihiv oblast.

[shark]

Well, here's how to understand you - "The gardens of northern Crimea were ordered to live long, .... not at all! This is one comment and immediately the next one -" And fields and gardens without Dnieper water in Crimea are dying .. "Further on the list))) - "The water is left for 900-100 days" ---- well, here either you got messed up with zeros or really "900 days", in general, cubes are estimated per hour and not days, nights ..... "and again antagonism -" what reserves water for Simferopol remains for 90-100 days ....... this is not news .. "
You have no case of split personality dear "

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Well, here's how to understand you .... first, your quote. after my ellipsis, about "and again antagonism -" "that water reserves for Simferopol remained for 90-100 days" "why would this antagonism ?????????????????????? There are a lot of them on the control levers, well, how is it with a split?

[zloybond]

He began to die during the reign of Ukraine. Now the situation is getting better without Ukrainian participation. The weather presented gifts in general. Without strangers, everything will be decided.

[210ox]

What is getting worse? Rice growing. And completely. It is necessary to change the structure of cultivated products and technology. The same drip irrigation. You cannot go far in the carriage of the past. The world is full of arid areas with developed agriculture. For utility needs, there is water in the Crimea.

[iouris]

Quote: shark

What will be done with water in Crimea?

They will envy. There will be no water until the de-occupation of Kiev.

[DMB 75]

Fascists. What else can I say ... Inhumans .. Burn in hell.

[figwam]

It wasn’t necessary to pay billions to these tricks.

[NEXUS]

Quote: figvam

It wasn’t necessary to pay billions to these tricks.

It was not necessary to give these earhooks in the year 14 to raise their heads, so that after not having hemorrhoids in their abdomen in the form of the Nazi regime and NATO bases.

[Grandfather Crimea]

The curse is not a harmless affair (((((People need to live now, and not when, but there is no way out. Until there is (

[Crimean partisan 1974]

but there is no way out. Until then (........ you grandfather overslept the way out on the stove, so go about 4 years since there was no need for Dnieper water, and there wasn’t any, the steppe Crimea, even under the tsar peas, ate water from artesian wells, and to this day, only that has changed, and there have become even more underground technical wells, and the people have learned how to use the techie wisely, I don’t understand what panic is

[mikh-korsakov]

Here is what interests me. And they (the Ukrainian authorities) someone from the Russian Federation asked to supply water to the Crimea? I don’t know, and I’m 100% sure that they didn’t ask. Then why are they so excited? Nobody has invited them yet. Yes, and hardly ask. Hurts scum character.

[Po-tzan]

Quote: DMB 75

Fascists. What else can I say ... Inhumans .. Burn in hell.

But will Crimeans not humiliatingly drink Bandera-fascist water? Type of pity and handoff from 404. It is necessary to streio the water supply from Rostov and divide the water regime on an equal basis between the residents of the Rostov region and Crimea.

[Sapsan136]

But Ukrainians do not humiliate drink Russian water, because 60% of the water in the Dnieper from the Russian Federation ?! But is it not humiliating for Ukrainians to go to work in the Russian Federation, to the invaders? !! Maybe the Russian Federation closes the border and let Zelensky feed them, it’s enough to gobble up Russia, and the Russian Federation itself needs water in the Volga and Don and is not obliged to supply Ukraine to the Russian Federation !!!

[bessmertniy]

Does Crimea need water from Ukraine? It somehow gets by after Kiev cut off the service. But Ukraine was left without the money that it received for water.

[Fibrizio]

First of all, it is needed not by people, but by agricultural and production facilities. It is people there right enough. And the Russian Federation is now putting it on the world stage as it is precisely the population that is thirsty.
Remember the gas poisoning of some village there? Everything happened due to the vapors of the settlers of the chemical plant. Actually without water, he died as they later wrote (one example).
This earns points among the cheers-patriots (an external enemy, we are good), the second spoils the rating of Ukraine among the inhabitants over the hill.
Therefore, Ukrainians quite logically do not sell water for doing business in their former territory. We would not be in their place either.

[bessmertniy]

Well, yes - what they need they buy from us, and what we need - they do not sell. It is for their "adherence to principles" that they should be punished.

[Erich]

Let Russia not sell then what Ukraine needs, what is the problem? I think that Ukrainians themselves will decide what, to whom and where to sell (including water). If Russia sees this as a problem, then let it invest and build pipelines and create ecosystems, what is the problem?

[revnagan]

Quote: bessmertniy

Well, yes - what they need they buy from us, and what we need - they do not sell.

Well, you don’t sell to Ukraine. . This is the market. Offer a price that will interest the seller.

[Horon]

We would not be in their place either.

Do not invent, Russia has given and continues to give much of this lost territory, even though there are many Russophobes in this territory.

[Fibrizio]

What are we giving them?
Maybe you wanted to say we are trading so that some grows can work and jobs do not close? This is because the economy. For example, we cannot take and stop selling gas / oil. Firstly, they are no longer ours, secondly, then the budget will go down, and we will eat biscuits (especially all kinds of state employees, including military men).

[revnagan]

Quote: Horon

Do not invent, Russia has given and continues to give much of this lost territory

Giving and Selling at world prices are two big differences, as they say in Odessa. So do not invent it yourself.

[Horon]

Crimea also did not take water for free, but Melitopol gave money for gas, or: "what is mine is mine, what is not mine is still mine"?

[revnagan]

Quote: Horon

"what is mine is mine, what is not mine is still mine"?

Well, Russia did so. And for "not free" no one spoke. Russia was not satisfied with "hazpopisyat", and Ukraine was not satisfied with the price of water (and did anyone try to bargain?). Everything has its own price, and the seller in the right to set a price that suits him. Or look for another. So after all, with oil for Belarus or gas for Ukraine?

[garrett]

Therefore, Ukrainians quite logically do not sell water for doing business in their former territory. We would not be in their place either.

YOU, perhaps, did not begin, speak for yourself! But I’ll remind you that during the civil conflict in Chechnya, gas, water and electricity, and even ... oh, horror ... were paid pensions and social programs (at least we tried how it was distributed there another question)

[revnagan]

Quote: Garrett

But I’ll remind you that during the civil conflict in Chechnya, gas was supplied, water supply, electricity, and even ... about the horror ... pensions and social programs were paid (

HA! Three times! Russia did this for its territory. For propaganda purposes, they say, even though you kick, but still ours, you will not go anywhere. Moreover, look, the STATE is taking care of you. Russia is the same claims that Crimea is no longer Ukrainian. Well, let him try to live, if not Ukrainian.

[garrett]

Russia did this for its territory. For propaganda purposes

what's the difference why Russia did this ???? but in fact there were actions refuting your logic. For myself, I could not find a reasonable explanation for why it was necessary to shut off the water. What drives the corn authorities ??? Economic interest - no, humanitarian interests - no, damage the achhresor - and there isn’t either))) Offended pride of embroiderers and mejlis))) it’s like with a blockade of donbass - a shot in your leg, they buy the same coal, only with margin, which remains in Russia and Belarus))))

[revnagan]

Quote: Garrett

For myself, I could not find a reasonable explanation for why it was necessary to shut off the water.

Well, I can explain. To cause maximum economic damage to an unfriendly state (oil and gas for Ukraine, at world prices, remember), and to weaken it in the future. Plus to stir up discontent among the residents of Crimea with the inability of the Russian authorities to solve their problems. Plus to show that Not so Russia and mighty. For coal from Donbass, they can buy it with a margin, but since everyone knows that this coal is "dry", the margin is minuscule. And the gesheft have Russian-Ukrainian traders who take coal in Donbass BELOW cost , for a penny (it's illegal, how can it be sold for a high price?). And Russia subsidizes Donbass, which also does not add to its financial health. And the actions "refuting ... logic" were carried out in seemingly similar, but essentially different conditions ...

[garrett]

To inflict maximum economic damage on an unfriendly state

um ... but what is the damage ??? refusal to grow rice in the Crimea ??? this is a turn (s)

and in weakening thereof in the future

O RLY? this is a strategist)))) talent !!!)))

arouse discontent among residents of the Crimea by the inability of the Russian authorities to solve their problems

So how is it??? excited ??? or residents of the Crimea began to recall Nenko more often with an unkind quiet word?

Plus show that it’s not such a Russian Federation and mighty

to whom to show ??? what kind of reasoning at the high school level?

On coal

and with what do they carry coal?
coal is supplied to corn LEGALLY, through several gasket companies, as a result, the cost of coal increases significantly, so where did you get what they charge below cost ??? proofs will be ??

And the actions "refuting ... logic" were carried out in seemingly similar, but essentially different conditions.

dear Captain Obviousness, but it didn’t occur to you that EVERYTHING in the world of civil wars looks alike, but absolutely in essentially different conditions))))
ps Sorry, but you'd better be silent

[revnagan]

Quote: Garrett

um ... but what is the damage ??? refusal to grow rice in the Crimea ??? this is a turn (s)

Well, not only rice. Production was closed, Emissions from storage tanks (there is no water). Other agricultural products. That is, instead of profit, Russia bears losses. And it must also invest additional funds in the maintenance of Crimea. Cheap water for Crimea, and even in the necessary quantities is the basis of life. Have you read the book by Georgy Tushkan "The First Shot"? My favorite book in my youth. There is a description of what water was for Crimea (the events take place during the Civil War in Russia). And then, of course, I learned more.

Quote: Garrett

O RLY? this is a strategist)))) talent !!!)))

Well, a little grain chicken ...

Quote: Garrett

So how is it??? excited ??? or residents of the Crimea began to recall Nenko more often with an unkind quiet word?

Even pundits do not always get the effect that they expect before the experiment. What do you expect from Zapadensky raguli? "Let's try and see what happens." Children's strategy. But the inhabitants of Crimea also made their choice. this world has to be paid.

Quote: Garrett

to whom to show ??? what kind of reasoning at the high school level?

See above about "raguli".

Quote: Garrett

and with what do they carry coal?

Oh, Lord, they’ve got a penny for fish ... Yes, there was already an article about how they buy coal from Donbass mines for a penny at a cheap price, “butyazh” it with Russian (for example, Vorkuta), and sell it as “purely Russian”. Well, look for yourself, do not be lazy. The whole world knows about this, but everyone is happy with everything (except for the miners), and the gesheft is put in the pocket.

Quote: Garrett

important Captain Obviousness, but it didn’t occur to you that EVERYTHING in the world of civil wars looks alike, but absolutely in essentially different conditions))))

But nevertheless, you compare these wars as exactly the same, and do not understand why Ukraine does not act like Russia? "And these people forbid me to pick my nose ?!" .

Quote: Garrett

ps Sorry, but you'd better be silent

Sorry, but when I need your advice on what to do, I will ask you for it.

[garrett]

I understand you now ... you tried to convey THEIR logic to me. But I consider this logic flawed and destructive, and as I understand it, you think the same. Then what are we arguing about?))))

[revnagan]

Quote: Garrett

Then what are we arguing about?))))

And we do not argue. You are trying to convey to me your logic, which I consider destructive and flawed. That is to say, exchanged opinions, realized that it would not be possible to force the opponent to accept his point of view, and parted like ships at sea. Yes, from the point of view. raguley and their "logic" I do not agree from the word-absolutely, but to convince anyone of this ... I see no reason to waste time.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Fibrizio

We would not be in their place either.

We would have blocked the Dnieper in their place

[New Year day]

Quote: bessmertniy

Somehow the same ...

... is doing poorly! Groundwater is used and it is replaced by sea water. Nature does not tolerate emptiness!

[bessmertniy]

If you found an opportunity to lay a gas pipeline to Turkey along the bottom of the Black Sea, then, probably, it would be possible to extend main pipelines along the bottom of the Sea of ​​Azov to Crimea. Although expensive, they built a bridge!

[New Year day]

Quote: bessmertniy

it will be possible and main water conduits along the bottom of the Sea of ​​Azov

I don’t remember the details anymore, but in a nutshell: Don is becoming shallow, the land level relative to the sea in Crimea is higher

[bessmertniy]

No problem to put a pressure station.

[New Year day]

Quote: bessmertniy

No problem to put a pressure station.

Where to get water for pumping?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Silvestr

Where to get water for pumping?

From the Dnieper ... Make a tap from Tsimlyansk reservoir, lay a tap from Krasnodar. Connect together and serve in the Crimea. The total length of about 1000 km. But this will solve the issue completely. Who argues is not easy. But this should be done, and not hold festivals and arrange festivities when people in Crimea become hostages of fresh water.

[Sapsan136]

To direct the water that flows from the rivers of Russia to the Ukrainian Dnieper, to the Don and Volga, to the benefit of the Russian Federation!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sapsan136

To direct the water that flows from the rivers of Russia to the Ukrainian Dnieper, to the Don and Volga

Cheaper pipe from the Irtysh or Ob.

[Sapsan136]

Not cheaper ... The rivers that can be sent to the Don and Volga are higher from them, with the flow, you only need a canal ... This is much closer than dragging water from Siberia ...

[Piramidon]

How much of the Dnieper flows through Russia and how much water can be taken from it? The main part of the current in Belarus and Ukraine. And in Russia it flows west, and you are going to turn it in the opposite direction.

[Sapsan136]

Most of the water comes from the Russian Federation, dozens of rivers and streams flow into the Dnieper, see the map and listen less to Svidomo

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sapsan136

listen less Svidomo

Fantasy less on river turning. In Soviet times, this has already passed.

[Sapsan136]

In Soviet times, they made the Belomorkanal, in fact, I propose to do the same, and not utopia with the turn of Siberian rivers, everything is real here ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sapsan136

In Soviet times, made Belomorkanal

The Belomorkanal is a purely navigable structure and water is not transferred from one river to another on it. You, however, are proposing to revive the Soviet utopia with the transfer of water from the Dnieper to the Don and Volga. Your words?

Rivers that can be sent to the Don and Volga ...

[Sapsan136]

The Soviet utopia consisted in transferring water from distant Siberian rivers, what I propose, a relatively short canal, from one neighboring river to another ... And there are no global problems ... Moreover, in my proposal there is no need to reverse the river, they all flow from north to south and southwest ...

[Grandfather Crimea]

This phenomenon is temporary, the balance is greatly violated, this is not a way out ((

[bessmertniy]

You can try with desalination of sea water. This is a little expensive according to the experience of Mangyshlak, but, as a way out, it is quite acceptable. Of course, it’s not very cool to use atomic energy for this. But, I think, there are bright heads in our kingdom - they can come up with a way out so that there is no dependence on Ukraine in this resource.

[New Year day]

Quote: bessmertniy

You can try with desalination of sea water. It's a little expensive

So in Chukotka there is!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bessmertniy

Does Crimea need water from Ukraine? It somehow gets by after Kiev cut off the service. But Ukraine was left without the money that it received for water.

The whole world is trying to sell everything in order to earn money, but svidomye, they always live by the saying "Don't die, I'll bite you." The country of the fox Alice and the cat Basilio is amazing.

[Erich]

Nuuu, as they want, they do so. They have a right))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Erich

Nuuu, as they want, they do so. They have a right

Well, yes, "My donkey, I want to milk, I want food."

[Erich]

Exactly)) But for some reason, in Russia, everyone is terrified how they want "something bad" to leave around themselves. I don't understand why)) Can't you live peacefully?))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Erich

But for some reason, everyone in Russia desperately wants "something bad" to be abandoned around him. I do not understand why

Russia rushes in, and the rest sit gravely and silently wipe feces from their faces. Don't tell the "bug" she's funny anyway.

[karabass]

Are donkeys milked? (donkey)

[Lipchanin]

Quote: karabass

Are donkeys milked? (donkey)

Once a year

[bycharashkO]

Quote: karabass

Are donkeys milked? (donkey)

there is a slightly different verb, something like "LOVE", but from 3 letters :-)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: karabass

Are donkeys milked? (donkey)

They get it, and how they milk it, but not with their hands. You do it pretty well.

[karabass]

And what do you make from baked milk? Or is it your secret?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: karabass

And what do you make from baked milk?

I sell to Ukraine, they say it helps.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

e "Don't drink, I'll bite you."

[tihonmarine]

Only they can not spoil the goods for themselves.

[denplot]

It is necessary to make the North Crimean Canal the property of the Russian Federation. Throughout, along with the areas in which it passes.

[New Year day]

Quote: denplot

It is necessary to make the North Crimean Canal the property of the Russian Federation. All over

What is it like? The implementation of what has been said?

[paul3390]

To do this, it was only necessary not to stop the Donetsk men in 2015. To finish off the junta. But they decided to exchange the chance of victory for a snotty senseless tyagomotin .. But what smart trump cards were dealt - we had the legitimate president of Tsagabonia, plus an absolutely not legitimate coup .. What game could be played! Eh ..

[New Year day]

Quote: paul3390

had to not stop

This is in the past!
How to implement new colleagues plans?

[paul3390]

Exactly the same. It’s possible to shut off any trade with Tsegabony, especially - in terms of fuel and lubricants, and after the next shelling, tell Donetsk - men. For only a complete military and political defeat of the 404th can solve all pressing problems.

[New Year day]

Quote: paul3390

Block any trade

What prevents to do this for 6 years?

[paul3390]

The question is not for me. My last name is not Putin. In general, this is a vivid example of how, under capitalism, the benefit outweighs any state interests .. For the loot, the bourgeois will sell his Motherland and his mother.

[New Year day]

Quote: paul3390

In general, this is a vivid example of how, under capitalism, the benefit outweighs any state interests .. For the loot, the bourgeois will sell his Motherland and his mother.

+

[vonWolfenstein]

I absolutely agree with you, the moment was missed, and what is worse, the unsettledness of the conflict, the heated people's discontent with the economic problems due to the sanctions have a destructive effect on Russian society. Back in the 14th year, point econ. sanctions, deportations, and embargoes could undermine the junta's regime. But they did not do this, feeling sorry for people like "You are invaders, but give him money, I will at least buy an armored vehicle" (article on those years)

[Erich]

Think sorry? Maybe they just couldn’t? There is still an option: multi-path))

[Grandfather Crimea]

Far these men would not have passed.
The problem of water in the Crimea was always acute. At the beginning of 90 (he lived in Sevastopol), water was supplied hourly, white with chlorine, and did not rise high on floors due to low pressure.
And the stupid development of the mountains did not violate the water horizons? ..... This was the case both under the Soviets and under the independence. Before the Second World War, the Crimean Tatars plugged the cracks at the bottom of the reservoirs with skins, and the Balaklava mining administration - the explosion of the rock ..... It is clear that additives are needed, but not in the same place as the Crimea - scientists "fought", but there was a "machine" skating rink of the USSR .....

[Piramidon]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: denplot

It is necessary to make the North Crimean Canal the property of the Russian Federation. All over

What is it like? The implementation of what has been said?

This is just to say something for the pluses.

[Fibrizio]

And what will civilized countries think after that? What do we take that we want by right of the strong and do not understand the words? Only power?

[denplot]

Yes, let them want something and think. Just them, civilized only understand power. There are no examples

[St Petrov]

And what will civilized countries think after that?

finally, the Russians smashed this malignant neoplasm, sucking money into a bottomless hole

[novel66]

but they will still stink, about Russian aggression

[St Petrov]

but they will still stink, about Russian aggression

it's time to match. And then some sort of empty

[novel66]

but here I agree!

[paul3390]

Actually - we got sanctions anyway, so even if it weren’t so offensive, we should justify them. Breaking the ancient ukraine and eliminating this misunderstanding - Ukraine. More precisely - leaving her within historical boundaries.

[novel66]

to begin with, at least inflict air strikes from their space on ukrov batteries as soon as they start firing

[paul3390]

In-in .. To the same Erdogan, for some reason this is permissible, not to mention the staff, but you see, we’re embarrassed ... Oh, what will Europe say ... Ugh.

[novel66]

I actually meant Jewish practice

[St Petrov]

from its space aerial attacks on ukrov batteries

it’s easier to spread headquarters with iskander. and leave one for the dam. Victims minimum - effect - maximum.

[novel66]

possible, possible and iskander, but aviation means more precisely

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: paul3390

Breaking the ancient ukraine and eliminating this misunderstanding - Ukraine

It seems to me, my friend, you are a provocateur.

[paul3390]

As I understand it - Tsegabonets? What is scary?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: paul3390

As I understand it - Tsegabonets? What is scary?

So I was not mistaken - a provocateur.

[paul3390]

And I. Tsegabonets.

[Vasyan1971]

100% provocateur!

[paul3390]

100% tsegabonets.

[Sapsan136]

And then feed the unfinished Bandera, as in the USSR ?! We don’t need this! With Sumeria, it is necessary, as with Koenigsberg, to liberate the lands of Russia illegally given to the Banderaites Lenin and Khrushchev, to evict Bandera and Basmachi from the Russian Federation, as the Germans from Koenigsberg and to populate these lands with their own people ...

[Bumblebee_3]

Fibrizio (Alexander)
And what did the "civilized countries" say when Israel bombed the Iranian nuclear center? Do you remember that? As for me, so, if Russia has a "Faberge", then it was long ago necessary to smash this dam to "Benin's mother." We are called agressors, so let them feel on their own skin how the aggressor acts in reality.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Bumblebee_3

And what did the "civilized countries" say when Israel bombed the Iranian nuclear center?

With all due respect, have you forgotten whose roof Israel is under? This is exactly the nuance in which the devil lies.
By the way, we must also remember Cyprus ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: denplot

It is necessary to make the North Crimean Canal the property of the Russian Federation.

For example, how?

[St Petrov]

For example, how?

how the Jews solved the issue of water, for example. Exactly the same methods.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: s-t Petrov

how the Jews solved the issue of water, for example. Exactly the same methods.

Bite off a piece of a neighbor? Do you seriously think this is real?

[St Petrov]

Bite off a piece of a neighbor?

they gave the hut to the neighbor for good reason and as a gesture of goodwill, and he carries it, expands (spreads his family) and prevents neighbors from living, blocking the water. it's time to clarify.

A punch on the face of a drug addict will certainly not cure, but you must exchange the hut. Of course, no one needs to be thrown into the street, but now only a dorm room on the outskirts of the universe, instead of a spacious apartment.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: s-t Petrov

it's time to clarify.

So still bite? Do you continue to consider this a reality?
Try really exchanging the hut of a drug addict neighbor. Not to mention poking a fist in the face. You’ll be closed according to his statement ...

[St Petrov]

Try really exchanging the hut of a drug addict neighbor.

Now we are dealing with just such a problem with the whole entrance. They burned their hut before the deformation of the supporting plate - and 7 floors were damaged.

You’ll be closed according to his statement ...

in the hut the corpse of my grandmother. So the miracle-neighbor is already living with the investigators. Heading. I’ll tell you what happened.

So still bite? Do you continue to consider this a reality?

remotely. without entering the military contingent. From our airspace. On the ground, the corps of the republics are already finalizing

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: s-t Petrov

You’ll be closed according to his statement ...

It's about popping in the face. Do not juggle.

Quote: s-t Petrov

They burned their hut before the deformation of the supporting plate - and 7 floors were damaged.

Quote: s-t Petrov

in the hut the corpse of my grandmother.

These are the nuances in which the devil is hiding. Are you sure that the case you are describing approaches the problem of water supply in Crimea?

Quote: s-t Petrov

Now we are dealing with just such a problem with the whole entrance.

Through the court or not?

Quote: s-t Petrov

dorm room on the outskirts of the universe, instead of a spacious apartment.

How so?
Why such slogans, if there is no way to implement them?

[St Petrov]

Why such slogans, if there is no way to implement them?

have been carried out more than once. It is in this territory. She is problematic.

These are the nuances in which the devil is hiding.

the neighbor burned only his grandmother. And these have already killed over 15 lives.
And he and they are in the midst of drug addiction.

Through the court or not?

Yes, there will be a trial. While the police work

Parallel situations can be drawn easily.

How so?

They need to compensate for the damage by several million. To do this, get rid of housing. By law, they can’t go outside - so I think he’ll move to a hostel

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: s-t Petrov

have been carried out more than once.

Share what exactly.

Quote: s-t Petrov

Yes, there will be a trial.

Quote: s-t Petrov

already over 15 lives have been killed.

Quote: s-t Petrov

Parallel situations can be drawn easily.

Swipe. What kind of court is this? Who, where, when? (I'm not talking about drug addicts).

Quote: s-t Petrov

how the Jews solved the issue of water, for example. Exactly the same methods.

I repeat: please, do not confuse warm with soft. Do you seriously think that the Jewish version is possible in the current conditions? Seriously? In the 14th was - no, but now - yes? I am far from thinking that you earn "plus signs", but then why?

[St Petrov]

I am far from thinking that you earn "plus signs", but then why?

I do not understand what confuses you in solving this issue.

In the 14th it turned out - no, but now - yes?

I think here it was no longer a matter of costs - but the hope that this should not be done. Hope that people will get tired of enduring it. Well, I understand that there was a pipe. But with the pipe, the issue will be closed this year.

Now a new reality, clogged Minsk, the last 100 meters of the pipe, hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens in the Donbass (a new reality with passports)

The situation is changing, why nod for 14 years.

And no one will hit artillery in the cities of Ukraine. Everything will be made jewelry. Now in this regard, the possibilities of the sea.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: s-t Petrov

I do not understand what confuses you in solving this issue.

It’s not even his delusions that confuse him, but the seriousness with which you talk about it.

Quote: s-t Petrov

The situation is changing, why nod for 14 years.

Exactly. And changing is not in favor of your scenario. Face the truth.

Quote: s-t Petrov

Everything will be made jewelry. Now in this regard, the possibilities of the sea.

For example?
No comments, in short ...

[St Petrov]

For example?

decapitate the APU over night by destroying their headquarters. Destroy the means of communication. Is this a problem for the RF Armed Forces?

What is the problem for you in this scenario? Find out the locations of command personnel? Or find a means to cover these headquarters?



Don't like the delivery system? For example, even from the Caspian Sea, homeless people were shot for 1500 km. by another means.

Enough for the headquarters. Local centers of resistance will remain without means of communication.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: s-t Petrov

What is the problem for you in this scenario?

I repeat that the problem is not that you are voicing this delusional nonsense, but that you yourself believe in it.
So, with garlic - how real is it that you came up with? In life. In our current reality.

[St Petrov]

So, with garlic - how real is it that you came up with? In life. In our current reality.

did I come up with Iskander or Caliber?
You do not believe in these funds? Or in the will of the leadership to their application?

As for the leadership, I already wrote to you - the passports of citizens of the Russian Federation change reality and response. 14 years is not equal to 20 absolutely

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: s-t Petrov

did I come up with Iskander or Caliber?

They were invented so that "the enemy ur'od would not get into our garden", and not to trample the neighbors.

Quote: s-t Petrov

Or in the will of the leadership to their application?

I believe in common sense leadership.

Quote: s-t Petrov

14 years is not equal to 20 absolutely

Exactly. The moment is lost.
By the way, why didn’t you gather all the porch and crush the drug addict’s neighbor, but you got in trouble and only then ran to the police and the court? Not enough spirit? It’s not scary to shoot rockets, but then, suddenly, bench press?
Here is the chesslovo - I read your inadequate and see Julia brandishing an atomic pistol ...

[St Petrov]

Here is the chesslovo - I read your inadequate and see Julia brandishing an atomic pistol ...

So far, the Ukrainian elite has waved at 15 killed or more - we must still multiply by the number of people in the family on average - and there will be a number of broken lives that had a period before and after. And if this is left as it is, there will be another plus of how many thousands - and not the military - but civilians. APU is not at all sorry.

By the way, why didn’t you gather all the porch and crush the drug addict’s neighbor, but you got in trouble and only then ran to the police and the court?

would start running and kill neighbors - would calm. If we are talking about parallels. Yes, and to inject with a needle - and to kill neighbors - this is different. If Ukraine was pricked with a needle and joined the EU without these 15 victims, then I would not have reacted like that. I would just stalk the ragul. And so it hurts me for a living.

Not enough spirit?

only grandmothers are afraid of drug addicts. With an athlete problems would be more to solve the issue in this vein. But the addict has no health. With the spirit of about the same. Not exotic - I saw such dirt.

It’s not scary to shoot rockets

let it be scary to the Rugul who give orders for artillery attacks in the Donbass.

I’m not afraid to get a summons. There will be no limit to dreams and out of place, but where to go and what to do upon receipt - I know

[St Petrov]

the drug addict, by the way, like the Ukrainians, burned his relatives as a result. And not the neighbors.

It’s not scary to shoot rockets, but then, suddenly, bench press?

Are you worried about the Armed Forces or the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? Maybe we have different angles of vision precisely because of this?

YES and I write that even ordinary Private Mykol will not have to be extinguished. It is necessary to decapitate management. Managers of the ATO, I also do not mind the word in general - and in fact the rank and file also absolutely. Waffles without clan and tribe. And I think there’s no need to regret the missiles either. The soldier of our RF Armed Forces is necessary. No ground operation from the RF Armed Forces is needed.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: s-t Petrov

would start running and kill neighbors - would calm.

Sofa bullshit. The "would" particle spoils everything.

Quote: s-t Petrov

only grandmothers are afraid of drug addicts

However, the spirit was not enough ...

Quote: s-t Petrov

let it be scary to the Rugul who give orders for artillery attacks in the Donbass.

"Don't threaten South Central while sipping juice in your area." ©

Quote: s-t Petrov

the drug addict, by the way, like the Ukrainians, burned his relatives as a result. And not the neighbors.

There, I remember, something else about the cracked ceiling was ...

Quote: s-t Petrov

Are you worried about the Armed Forces or the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?

Congratulations! One step remained in accusing me of belonging to the enemies of the motherland.
So I remember: "Give them! And if they - to us? And what about us?"
By the way, you did not answer:

Quote: Vasyan1971

So, with garlic - how real is it that you came up with? In life. In our current reality.

[St Petrov]

So, with garlic - how real is it that you came up with? In life. In our current reality.

Crimea is real and it is real. APU is not an army - a house of cards.
In terms of butting with the LDNR corps - this is their maximum - taking into account the limitations of LDNR actions due to Minsk and the ensuing ones.
A missile strike at the command and control posts will scatter everything and open up opportunities for the corps.

In the Crimea, the GRU disconnected, and then the Iskander from the Krasnodar Territory turned it off.

Or is this a problem?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: s-t Petrov

A missile strike at the command and control posts will scatter everything and open up opportunities for the corps.

Blah blah blah.
This is not an answer. This is another nonsense.

Quote: s-t Petrov

Or is this a problem?

Theoretically, no. Almost yes.

[St Petrov]

Share what exactly.

de occupation of these lands. Poles, Germans, raguli - the invaders are different. And the land is ours.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: s-t Petrov

de occupation of these lands. Poles, Germans, raguli - the invaders are different. And the land is ours.

Share: how exactly?

[Piramidon]

Quote: s-t Petrov

how the Jews solved the issue of water, for example. Exactly the same methods

And the option with laying the pipeline from the mainland does not roll?

[Sapsan136]

It’s rolling, only the Don and Volga have become shallow, even Volgograd does not have enough water ... But if water were sent to the Volga and Don instead of the Ukrainian Dnieper, the problem would be solved!

[St Petrov]

And the option with laying the pipeline from the mainland does not roll?

I do not know if everything was simple, they would have thrown it in front of the bridge

There, they had almost completed the Taurida, provided with electricity, but with water, apparently, a problem. And I think it’s not just about money

[denplot]

Well, here's the deal. Kiev channel still will not open. Agree with them will not work. It remains only to wait for the collapse of Ukraine and the transfer of part of its territory to the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation. Or wait for sane authorities to appear there and manage to build normal relations. Which is unlikely.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: denplot

It remains only to wait

Quote: denplot

Or wait for sane authorities to appear there

Exactly. Grit your teeth and clench your fists. So far, only so.
The key word is bye.

[Kronos]

There is nothing more permanent than temporary

[Horon]

Not to wait, but to contribute to this as "civilized" countries do it. But alas ... there is complete collapse and anarchy in political circles.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Horon

But alas ... there is complete collapse and anarchy in political circles.

I say: wait.

[Kronos]

That is, for decades

[tihonmarine]

Quote: denplot

It is necessary to make the North Crimean Canal the property of the Russian Federation.

Said A, say B.

[Gene84]

Politicians in Kiev are going completely crazy. they have no brains. "de-occupation and reintegration" - do the Kiev politicians themselves believe in this nonsense?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gene84

Politicians in Kiev are going completely crazy. they have no brains. "de-occupation and reintegration" - do the Kiev politicians themselves believe in this nonsense?

They believe, because they have well remembered from childhood "The Tale of the Golden Fish".

[New Year day]

Expected. It’s just that they’re doing worse

[St Petrov]

It’s just that they’re doing worse

they have been doing this to themselves since the 90th year. the guys are already used to it. maybe it’s different and the thought is not working

[Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: s-t Petrov

maybe it’s already a little thought and does not work

They have no thoughts, completely absent. They rushed all their thought on the Maidan.

[CAT BAIYUN]

Ukraine will not supply water to the Crimean peninsula under any conditions

And what else could you expect from these Sviderasts in power? They have a different motivation - destructive. They work in the sphere of plundering their country in order to get out of it when they get enough of it.

[Aliken]

Relying on the sanity and viciousness of Ukraine is not worth it, the Crimean bridge was built, now the water utility is next in line. And do not forget to give Ukraine gas discounts.

[AlexVas44]

Quote: Aliken

now the water utility is in line

And wrap the entire Dnieper into the canal!

[Strashila]

From a series of evil to my mother I will frostbite my ears; don’t hay the whole Kherson region will lose fertile land from salinization, but Crimea will not receive water.

[knn54]

The Mejlis said that Crimea is their land, and it is for them to decide whether to supply water there or not.

[sergo1914]

Quote: knn54

The Mejlis said that Crimea is their land, and it is for them to decide whether to supply water there or not.

Now the Scythians will catch up ... It's not evening yet.

[New Year day]

Quote: knn54

The Mejlis said that Crimea is their land, and they decide

Kiev Majlis is prohibited, but its reincarnation in Crimea lives and implements its principles. The last example: at the request of the Tatars introduced into the administration of the Crimea, material about the atrocities of the Crimean Tatars in Crimea during the Second World War was removed from textbooks. It was the Crimean Tatar, as well as the Bandera executioners, who were especially cruel. It is enough to recall the concentration camp of Simferopol and the live burning of a group of paratroopers near Koktebel.
In general, the partisan movement in the Crimea was destroyed only “thanks to” the local Tatars, the guides

[Andrea]

And where did so many baobabs grow from?
Did Crimea ask them for water? So zealously refuse.

[Chingachguk]

Party ----- "European Solidarity" What people, you suck without water? We Europeans will not give you water! This is all you need to know about international assistance ..., ..

[rotmistr60]

Alexey Goncharenko

I hope this ghoul, along with other ghouls, will wait for a fair trial if he doesn't clean up sooner. And regarding the Ukrainian "proposals" they were answered unambiguously and the only correct one - "people do not change for water."

[sergo1914]

and the ex-president of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk offered water to Crimea "just to sell"

Ha ha ha Kravchuk is handsome. And for transit still to put down price tags. Or will they supply bottled? A joint venture is planned.

[Lamata]

Democrats decided to die by thirst

[Rey_ka]

Leonid Kravchuk suggested selling water to Crimea.

upon presentation of Ukrainian passports

[Mountain shooter]

It remains to wait for the de-occupation of Kiev. In the meantime, let the Kherson region swamp. This is useful for the Union of Artists of Ukraine ...

[Fibrizio]

Quote: paul3390

Actually - we got sanctions anyway

We received very formal sanctions. The real ones can be seen in North Korea. Well, Iran has an intermediate option.
The sanctions against us are more indicative and give the internal electorate of the countries that introduced them.

[Ros 56]

Looking at this moronic face, how could you expect something else? This two-legged is still responsible for Odessa.

[Rey_ka]

The North Crimean Canal was built in 1971, and before that, how did it live?

[Fibrizio]

Fields were not cultivated (few were cultivated), there were no combines. So they lived.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

If I’m not mistaken, the great Ukrainian Dnieper River has its origins in Russia ... So it may be to treat Ukrainians according to their own recipe: start blocking the origins of the Dnieper ??? I believe that soon after the start of work, Ukrainians will resume water supply to the Crimea ...

[Lamata]

Yes, cheat is probably technically difficult. Do not turn off the tap in the apartment.

[wow]

BP Ukraine is a ward "No. 6" according to Chekhov.

[Sapsan136]

Well, it means that Ukraine also needs to shut off all the water from the Russian Federation, sending it to the Volga and the Don, and send all the gaster to their homes, enough to go around the Russian Federation, let Zelensky feed them!

[bycharashkO]

Quote: Sapsan136

Well, it means that Ukraine also needs to shut off all the water from the Russian Federation, sending it to the Volga and the Don, and send all the gaster to their homes, enough to go around the Russian Federation, let Zelensky feed them!

the first is better not to do - there are a lot of bad post effects, but the second had to be done for a long time!

[Sapsan136]

All the effects would be in Ukraine, and since it is at war with the Russian Federation, then all the problems of Ukraine, this is not the sadness of the Russian Federation!

[bycharashkO]

Quote: Sapsan136

All the effects would be in Ukraine, and since it is at war with the Russian Federation, then all the problems of Ukraine, this is not the sadness of the Russian Federation!

the effects would be for us, and for the Belarusians the same. Do we need it ?. It is necessary to press 404 in a different way - send all Gaster (except for Donetsk and Luhansk), completely cut off the "oxygen" (fuels and lubricants, electricity and all other goods) and not buy anything there. And it’s like Russia and the "aggressor country", but the turnover is growing ... Establish TV and radio broadcasting on the territory of 404.

[Sapsan136]

We would not have any negative, only positive, since the direction of the water to the Don and Volga, instead of the Ukrainian Dnieper, solves the problem of lack of water in the same Volgograd ... Whether Minsk will block the flow of its rivers or not, which will be solved more and more shows his true face and unwillingness to build a union state with the Russian Federation ...

[123456789]

The Kremlin emphasized that Crimea cannot be the object of any exchange.

But there’s no help ...
And suddenly a voice comes from heaven: “Well, you would at least buy a lottery ticket!”

Or the Dnieper blocked Then it would be possible to bargain. At the same time, and Father on Kukan Who else is behind the effectiveness of simple solutions? I'm not talking about affiliated contractors.

[23424636]

Goncharenko is a rare bastard, the son of Kostusev, the Odessa mayor under Yanukovych. Kostusev, as it were, defended Russian and the Russian language in Odessa, very prone to treason. But this is just something ....

[Andrey.AN]

There is an option, of course it costs money, but it can be beneficial. Intercept rain clouds over Crimea by aviation reclamation.

[Fibrizio]

You have to go to the State Duma, develop budgets. Such a talent for cutting disappears.

[Andrey.AN]

you know, the bulk of the water evaporates in the South, Ukrainians, if you use interception for a long time, will be running with a hose waiting for the rain, blocking the canal in Crimea.

[Fibrizio]

It reminds me of the ideas of the times of the USSR about nuclear explosions turning Siberian rivers back.

[Andrey.AN]

there’s nothing of Napoleon’s in it, just pour fertilizers not into the fields, but into the clouds.

[Elephant]

It would not hurt to deepen and clean the shallowed Crimean reservoirs. Even at school they taught - the smaller the mirror of the water surface, the less evaporation. But this is not known to local officials, and those priests simply arrange prayers for rain ...: http://www.c-inform.info/news/id/83128

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Intercepting rain clouds over Crimea ... an idiotic option .... why do we need poison clouds ???? last year, almost nothing was sheltered from the rain, yielded low results, or even nothing at all, the greenhouses won. so if the state somehow significantly reduces the prices of chemical film and other consumables for greenhouses, then the crops will not keep you waiting, and even last year the showers fell just for grain harvesting, there was a lot of darkness

[Azazelo]

And then something about the Holodomor tryndyat .....

[bycharashkO]

Quote: 4ekist

This clown from the picture should sit near the bucket in Lefortovo and crow.

Please specify - from which picture? At first I thought of a sinful thing about a man with a grenade launcher :-). Then he dopped what was meant by the photo in the article.

[Elephant]

Why not hear our valiant lawyers? Ukraine clearly violates the UNECE Convention on Transboundary Waters!

[Chassis]

Quote: Elephant

Why not hear our valiant lawyers? Ukraine clearly violates the UNECE Convention on Transboundary Waters!

"Valiant world lawyers" are all from one gang .. They all crowd again prepare another lawsuit against Gazprom!

[Elephant]

Precisely noticed!

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: paul3390

Exactly the same. It’s possible to shut off any trade with Tsegabony, especially - in terms of fuel and lubricants, and after the next shelling, tell Donetsk - men. For only a complete military and political defeat of the 404th can solve all pressing problems.

The Donetsk people themselves will not be able to cope. We must officially help. We will find ourselves in the position of Erdogan with his support of the idlib.

[DMB84]

About water ..... I honestly do not understand why it is impossible to lay a pipe "a la Nord Stream2" along the bottom? Having supplied water in our territory? The channel, the kingdom of heaven to him, is comparable in terms of the volume of pumping with a pair of pipes. What, again, the States do not allow?