Five years to the Minsk agreements. What's next?


Mission impossible



The phrase “five years of implementation of the Minsk agreements” itself sounds absurd, especially since no one was going to fulfill anything. Ukraine imitates violent activity, the Kremlin on duty expresses concern and comments on body movements in Kiev with Olympic calm. The impression is that no one was originally going to do anything, and both the parties and the guarantors of the document knew this from the beginning.

However, it’s a sin to hide: if Ukraine completed Minsk-2, it would mean for it an instant parade of sovereignty and a sudden end or complete reformatting, which is one and the same. Therefore, no one took the text of the document seriously before and does not apply today.

Both sides needed a break. Ukraine, horrified by its losses in Debaltseve, longed to put in order the demoralized APU and calm the population. LDNR needed peace in order to make up for losses, bring the armed forces to unity of command, stop artillery attacks on cities and towns, and finally begin to build at least a semblance of a state.

That winter in Lugansk and Donetsk, all state institutions were still in their infancy. It was urgent to establish at least some semblance of social security, look for opportunities to create new jobs, and restore industry. I recall that in May 2015, the author, in search of work in a civilian, turned to the republican employment center. The list of vacancies consisted of several dozen positions. Today the situation has changed dramatically.

What does Donbass think?


For the people of the LPR and DPR, the Minsk agreements have long ceased to be part of the surrounding reality.

For the overwhelming majority of the LDNR population, the mantras on the fulfillment or non-fulfillment of the Minsk agreements, daily sounded from each iron, have long turned into an obsessive and meaningless narrative on the periphery of consciousness. Especially for those who spent 2014 and 2015 away from their homes. People are trying to deal with life's difficulties and a nasty economic situation, to overcome small everyday conflicts. Minsk is a word from TV, obsessive and meaningless. He does not care - you have to live.

For those who live along the demarcation line, Minsk-2 ended with the new Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky coming to power (for the outskirts of Gorlovka and Donetsk, the fruits of the Minsk agreements did not exist at all). Large calibers work daily, almost every week there are hits in residential buildings, social facilities and infrastructure. The situation is rapidly rolling back to the second half of 2015. In the foreseeable future, the number of shellings and casualties may well be compared with 2014 - early 2015. Does it make sense to talk about some kind of agreement?

The Minsk agreements live only in a politicized cluster of social networks, where network experts tirelessly lament about the “drain” of Novorossia and the “Minsk conspiracy”, complain about how they were not allowed to take Kiev and are preparing for an emergency evacuation after the “rapid offensive of the APU in the Mariupol direction ". Everything is stable here. Someday when the Minsk Agreements become history, these people will simultaneously stand in a beautiful pose against the sunset and proudly say that the “Minsk betrayal” and “plums” did not take place only thanks to their efforts.

What's next?


One can endlessly argue about the benefits or dangers of the Minsk agreements, but with the fact that thanks to them the LDNR got a head start, which was effectively used to build social institutions, strengthen the army and create some kind of economy, only fans of alternative reality in which the militia will argue jokingly takes Mariupol and is almost ready to challenge the cursed West. Over the years, the republics have developed something quite similar to the state, with a standard of living adequate to the Ukrainian outback, and striving for the level of the Russian outback. However, the time of the Minsk Agreements of the second edition, obviously, came to an end.

It is not entirely clear what Kiev is trying to achieve, either a new full-scale war with subsequent boilers and the loss of settlements, or some unmotivated concessions from the Russian Federation, but the fact remains: the Zelensky government is systematically stepping up the situation on the demarcation line. Talk about the implementation of the Minsk agreements, which sounded ridiculous a few years ago, today is becoming an outright mockery.

It is likely that in the foreseeable future some new format awaits us: either the new Minsk agreements with the previous slaughter, or something conceptually new. In any case, after the residents of LDNR began to receive Russian passports en masse (let's now recall the “experts” who promised that they would give the passports to the elect and the rest to Ukraine), there was a reasonable hope that the situation would move forward. After all, Russia will not allow to kill its citizens with impunity? But is it true?

Whatever LDNR expects, most likely, changes will occur this year. We will prepare.
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  1. svp67 13 February 2020 08: 19 New
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    Five years to the Minsk agreements. What's next?
    But nothing, there is nothing in the dead end "further"
    1. Same lech 13 February 2020 08: 23 New
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      Well, why is this soap opera with different options possible to stretch to infinity ... until some of the participants in this series have patience and opportunities to burst.
      1. tihonmarine 13 February 2020 09: 26 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        Well, why this soap opera with different options can be stretched to infinity

        Because there is an opera, as it was delayed, they will sing to infinity.
      2. Olgovich 13 February 2020 10: 16 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        Well, why is this soap opera with different options possible to stretch to infinity.

        There already hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens and, I hope, Russia will not insult them and their house.

        I really hope and wish.
    2. Arlen 13 February 2020 08: 24 New
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      Quote: svp67
      But nothing, there is nothing in the dead end "further"

      Clearance is not visible in this impasse. It looks like there will be a new round of hostilities, there is little hope for a peaceful settlement of the situation in the Donbass. Moreover, Kiev is increasingly escalating the situation.
      1. tihonmarine 13 February 2020 09: 37 New
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        Quote: Arlen
        Clearance is not visible in this impasse. It looks like there will be a new round of hostilities

        We all remember how Poroshenko adopted the Minsk Agreement. When the Lao PDR forces practically defeated the ATO and the whole of Donbas with the port of Mariupol was already in the hands of the Lao Lao PDR. The US intervened, forcing Poroshenko and forcing Putin to sign this soap opera. Signed, a truce, licked the wounds, and again climbed. And so constantly Ilovaisk, Debaltseve and so on, "mopping up" a truce, licked the wounds, the west helped with weapons and again the "opera". That's what the Minsk agreements are for - to lick wounds with the subsequent resumption of the civil war, and a good excuse for blaming Russia. So, Minsk agreements do not provide for any positive changes.
      2. nemez 13 February 2020 15: 17 New
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        There are now Russian citizens, if they suffer and ours remain silent, then here the Maidan will begin
    3. bessmertniy 13 February 2020 08: 26 New
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      If the agreement does not work, then the topic must be covered. There will be fewer reasons for speculation, and there is nothing to squander budget money for these meetings. They can be useful where you can count on a positive result.
    4. Lipchanin 13 February 2020 08: 27 New
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      Quote: svp67
      But nothing, there is nothing in the dead end "further"

      Until the power in kuev is replaced by the opposite, nothing will happen.
      And in the foreseeable future, it will not change.
      Rather, they will not let her change
      1. tihonmarine 13 February 2020 09: 46 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        Until the power in kuev is replaced by the opposite, nothing will happen.

        There was Yanik, they changed, they became gunpowder, they changed, Monica came with the full support of the people, but still, "horseradish radish is not sweeter." They will drop Monica, put Greta, and the caravan will go further.
    5. Alex Nevs 13 February 2020 08: 57 New
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      Someone who is very cool "trolls".
  2. Vladimir_2U 13 February 2020 08: 20 New
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    Personally, I am for the Nuremberg not only an agreement, but a tribunal for ukrovoen and preziks.
    1. Arlen 13 February 2020 08: 27 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Personally, I am for the Nuremberg not only an agreement, but a tribunal for ukrovoen and preziks.

      I am for the criminal tribunal! But it looks like we will not see this tribunal. The West will not give up its war criminals from among Ukrainian politicians and the military.
    2. tihonmarine 13 February 2020 09: 48 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Personally, I am for the Nuremberg not only an agreement, but a tribunal for ukrovoen and preziks.

      The Nuremberg Tribunal was created by the anti-Hitler coalition, and now there is no such anti-fascist coalition, but rather the opposite.
  3. Dmitry Potapov 13 February 2020 08: 25 New
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    DNR after Debaltsevo did not have to stop. All implementation agreements would be in order. It was necessary to clean the entire Donbass, to the borders of the times of the USSR. And if you wouldn’t understand afterwards, then to the borders of the Russian Empire!
    1. Lipchanin 13 February 2020 08: 34 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      DNR after Debaltsevo did not have to stop.

      Oh how
      One can argue endlessly about the benefits or dangers of the Minsk Agreements, but with the fact that thanks to them LDNR got a head start, which was used quite effectively for building social institutions, strengthening the army and creating some kind of economy, only fans of alternative reality, in which the militia jokingly takes Mariupol and is almost ready to challenge the cursed West, will argue.
      1. Romey 13 February 2020 09: 17 New
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        Mariupol twice, in fact, was left by the Armed Forces of Ukraine: in August 14 and February 15. The agreement with Akhmetov was simply strictly observed. In general, the Minsk agreements had the following goals: to smother the Russian spring and provide the Kremlin with an object of trade for the Crimea. And nothing more. And about something effective there in LDN ... How many people got passports there? What salaries and pensions? Why do the APU daily with impunity smash the outskirts?
    2. carstorm 11 13 February 2020 08: 58 New
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      grab it a little. then to hold on to all these conquests than what should they then?
    3. tihonmarine 13 February 2020 09: 51 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      DNR after Debaltsevo did not have to stop.

      That's why the West created the Minsk agreements.
      1. Romey 13 February 2020 10: 35 New
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        Yes, not the West created these agreements ... The West was still at a loss and misunderstanding of what was happening. They were written by Surkov, according to the wishes of the greatest geopolitics of our time, according to official propaganda and Putin's patriots, who, in turn, were frightened by their own carelessness with Crimea. In general, Minsk 2 was just a continuation of Geneva and Minsk 1. So, instead of solving a bunch of geopolitical problems in extremely favorable circumstances, they themselves drove themselves into a dead end, from which partners simply wouldn’t let them out.
  4. Lamata 13 February 2020 08: 27 New
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    further a long sluggish conflict at our borders.
  5. novel66 13 February 2020 08: 27 New
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    it is necessary to learn from the Turks, it seems that Erdogan showed how to take care of his interests
    1. tihonmarine 13 February 2020 09: 54 New
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      Quote: novel xnumx
      it is necessary to learn from the Turks, it seems that Erdogan showed how to take care of his interests

      Erdogan is the heir to the Ottoman Empire.
  6. Lipchanin 13 February 2020 08: 30 New
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    It’s not clear what is being achieved in Kiev - either a new full-scale war with subsequent boilers and loss of settlements, or some unmotivated concessions from the Russian Federation,

    Three times. After all, they consider themselves the smartest and most cunning. So they think that they will be able to beat Russia and we will surrender to them the Donbass
    1. Arlen 13 February 2020 08: 52 New
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      Quote: Lipchanin
      So they think

      Sometimes I get the idea that Kiev politicians have nothing to think about except for the fifth point.
      1. Lipchanin 13 February 2020 09: 11 New
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        Quote: Arlen
        Sometimes I get the idea that Kiev politicians have nothing to think about except for the fifth point.

        Well, that has grown, has grown
  7. The leader of the Redskins 13 February 2020 08: 44 New
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    You can endlessly look at three things:
    How the fire burns ..
    How water flows ...
    How are the Minsk agreements implemented ...
    1. Lipchanin 13 February 2020 09: 13 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      You can endlessly look at three things:
      How the fire burns ..
      How water flows ...
      How are the Minsk agreements implemented ...

  8. Maks1995 13 February 2020 08: 47 New
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    “No matter what the LDNR expects, most likely the changes will happen already this year. We will prepare.”

    Vrodeba, this is repeated in different words of year 3.
    But the Kremlin, in general, is happy with everything. Kiev seems to be too.

    IMHO, everything will continue ...
  9. Ros 56 13 February 2020 08: 48 New
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    Egor did not guess, if the third round of the war begins, then it must be finished on the border with the Poles and no third Minsk. Full de-banderization and denazification and restoration of the ruined, starting from the Donbass, by the forces of banderlog guarded for chowder. No payments and so on to the western border, starting from the east. And then Galicia Poles, let them feed and educate Banderlog. You have to pay for everything, but how do you like?
    1. New Year day 13 February 2020 10: 20 New
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      Quote: Ros 56
      it must be completed at the border with the Poles and no third Minsk.

      Do you sincerely believe what was said?
      1. Ros 56 13 February 2020 11: 50 New
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        It is not a matter of faith, but of expediency, or do you want to have batterlogs next to the banderlogs? And the second consideration, and maybe the first one in importance, is the production enterprises, moreover, the military. And the sea water area will get rid of excess dishes with striped flags. It will be difficult, very, and to whom it is easy now. Well, special mode with movements in the western half of the Ukrainian district. You think it won’t work out, it’ll come out, remember the post-war experience, who needs to know how it was done.
        1. New Year day 13 February 2020 12: 01 New
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          Quote: Ros 56
          or do you want to banderlog more and have a striped base at your side

          First: it has already been implemented
          Secondly: your plan is an invasion of foreign territory. What do you think, will the UN react and what will happen next?
          Thirdly: as one king said, “money is needed for war”. They are?
          Fourth: is our elite imprisoned in the West ready for its losses?
          Fifth: is the population of our country ready for the inevitable casualties of the invasion?
          Sixth: do you think that the population of Ukraine will meet our army with flowers? Bandera to the West. Ukraine ended only after the amnesty, despite the full power of the USSR.
          There are many more terms, because the devil is in the details. As it turns out!
          1. Ros 56 13 February 2020 12: 23 New
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            You have the right to think so, no one objects.
            But I look at this matter from a different angle, and as before Russia was baptized with fire and a sword, so I think that sentiments of land are not appropriate when collecting Russian lands.
            Surgery is always associated with blood, but then you will not get sick.
            And this is your elite, imprisoned to the west, who would ask.
            This is a historic opportunity, which very rarely falls, to put the Russian world together and it is worthless to us if we do not use it.
            1. New Year day 13 February 2020 12: 31 New
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              Quote: Ros 56
              when collecting Russian lands sentiments are inappropriate.

              When collecting land or people?
              Completely different tasks
              1. Ros 56 13 February 2020 12: 32 New
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                For me it is a whole, uninhabited land is wrong.
                1. New Year day 13 February 2020 12: 36 New
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                  Quote: Ros 56
                  For me it's a whole

                  Very well! Question: where are the millions of Russians who did not go against the junta?
                  Reference: of 36 national battalions in the ATO, only 5 are formed to the West. Ukraine. The rest - to the Center. , Eastern and Southern Ukraine, i.e. In the Russian-speaking territory.
                  Are they waiting for us?
                  1. Ros 56 13 February 2020 12: 42 New
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                    Of course, the people will remember these bastards of Bandera their humiliation and will extinguish them whenever possible. People should feel that they are not alone and help is coming. It's just that people are afraid of nonhumans, from whom even the Nazis at one time squeamishly turned away.
                    Well, of course, this is not done from floundering bay.
  10. ZaharoFF 13 February 2020 08: 56 New
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    Nothing further, a long-running conflict at the borders. This is exactly what they achieved.
  11. Gardamir 13 February 2020 08: 59 New
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    The author hopes that everyone has forgotten that time. The Russian Spring was seething with blood. There were significant successes on the part of LDNR, which everyone then called New Russia. All the commanders of Donetsk were alive.
    And then the agreements written on the knees cooled this success. It was a drain. Then no one noticed this, because Krymnash. And the beginning of the Russian Spring ended in the rains of Donetsk shelling and frost and in a relationship
    1. New Year day 13 February 2020 10: 19 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      It was a drain.

      without a doubt, then they made concessions, negotiations, etc. The time for opportunities was lost
  12. Vladimir61 13 February 2020 09: 09 New
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    After all, Russia will not allow to kill its citizens with impunity? But is it true?
    The only thing that optimists in DLNR still hope for. But there are more pessimists, the number of shellings and their victims is growing, there is no adequate response to this from any guarantor of these agreements (there is no reason to touch, because they are deep under the tablecloth). The whole "steam" descends through various television shows, which, in addition to a real relationship to what is happening, have no effective measures. Tired are both people and those who today serve in the NM and act exclusively as a sub-firing squad, without a guaranteed response and the right to self-defense!
  13. Egoza 13 February 2020 09: 17 New
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    "five years .... What's next?" That's what nonsense to ask? Kaka was, kaka is and will be so.
  14. Livonetc 13 February 2020 09: 26 New
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    LDNR, in the foreseeable future, awaits the situation of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
    1. Avior 13 February 2020 09: 46 New
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      Unlikely
      It is the Georgians who are afraid to conduct hostilities on the border and the military conflict has subsided
      Hardly it will be in LDNR
      In addition, the main industry in the Donbass is industry, it requires constant modernization, updating, otherwise it will die. And who will invest money until there is stability and certainty, and even shelling?
      Industry, and financially much more complex than the cultivation of tangerines.
      Therefore, I think that the experience of South Ossetia and Abkhazia is applicable. Moreover, there are officially Russian troops there, a nephew there, by the way.
    2. New Year day 13 February 2020 10: 18 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      waiting for the situation of Abkhazia ...

      since it is drifting to the other side of us, then - no need!
  15. Avior 13 February 2020 09: 40 New
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    However, it’s a sin to hide: if Ukraine completed Minsk-2, it would mean for it an instant parade of sovereignty and a sudden end or complete reformatting, which is one and the same.

    I think that the author either deceives or deceives readers
    This is in 2014, if we had done what was recorded in Minsk2, could have led to such consequences.
    But now this would not have had such a result.
    Time has passed, those pro-Russian sentiments that were typical of the South-East of Ukraine, not only that they were on the decline, they rather disappeared as a phenomenon. It could theoretically arise in 2014 in Kharkov Kharkov, but now it is so unrealistic that it’s not even worth considering.
    There are many reasons for this, because Russian television was cut off and only Ukrainian remained, and there are no noticeable pro-Russian sentiments, including those where they used to be like Inter, and the fact that Ukrainian propaganda works, and that the LDNR experience was not very successful , including in the economy, despite a slight increase in salaries for state employees in LDNR, salaries, especially in the non-budget sphere, remain very low there, especially against the background of rising salaries in the Ukrainian part of Donetsk region, the average salary there has reached 34 thousand rubles, so only in Kharkov, but also in Mariupol, support for joining the LDNR greatly subsided; the attitude towards the residents of LDNR was more likely formed as losers, whose experience there is no particular desire to repeat.
    There are other factors. For example, in 2014, many reacted negatively to the increased influence of aggressive nationalists, which the authorities used then, but by 2020 this influence drastically decreased, and much more was removed from the authorities.
    In short, one can say that there are no longer the moods that were in 2014.
    Yes, and the problem of Donbass for the majority, after the forced mobilization was canceled and the volunteers were staffed with atoms, it sharply receded not even into the background, but into the background. This does not concern the vast majority, they simply stopped mentioning it in conversations.
    Moreover, if it is realistic to hold elections as recorded in these Minsk2, then the most likely candidate for victory in these elections will most likely be Akhmetov — most in the Donbass associate the most materially secure periods in the life of Donbass with him. And now Mariupol is sharply different in a positive direction from Donetsk in this regard.
    Therefore, I do not think that Minsk2 will decide something
    hi
    1. New Year day 13 February 2020 10: 17 New
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      Quote: Avior
      It could theoretically arise in 2014 in Kharkov Kharkov, but now it is so unrealistic that it’s not even worth considering.

      just comrade returned from his mother from Kharkov, the situation is not very pleasant for us. You're right
  16. Paul Siebert 13 February 2020 09: 44 New
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    My opinion is to recognize the republics!
    To simplify the adoption of Russian citizenship!
    And so, soldiers with a Russian passport in their pocket die every day ..
    Ukraine is part of Russia!
    And from Galicia we will evict Natsik.
    Let them jerk ...
  17. Grandfather Crimea 13 February 2020 09: 59 New
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    If we take into account the fact that both boilers did not work without the support of the Russian Federation, whatever one calls it, “a strong northeastern wind blew,” the “vacationers” did the job, or the Buryat submariners or tank paratroopers))))))) )))), with the goal of reducing the number of Armed Forces and National Battles as much as possible, otherwise the militia would not have survived. Developing “success” from the locals was not overwhelming. And that was all. Minsk simply took on the legal form of an aggressive confrontation between two forces facing each other. Territories are fired on both sides, there are no major ground operations. There are no air strikes ...... Window war. All (except 2-3) militia leaders destroyed.
    Who wanted to leave (at least where), left. The rest live in the hope of the positive. Zrp from a relative in Shakhtyorsk 9 thousand rubles. Prices bite.
  18. New Year day 13 February 2020 10: 15 New
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    I dare to suggest that there will be nothing- "Neither war nor Peace." And that's why. that the initial tasks each country set its own: Russia - to push LDNR into Ukraine and rule Ukraine through parliamentarians from LDNR; Ukraine- to liberate the territory from the disobedient. Both tasks have not been completed and are unlikely to be completed.
    It remains to be wondered how to get out of this situation? The accession of LDNR to Russia is fraught with new sanctions and it is unlikely that the authorities will do this in the conditions of a standing economy and growing problems within the country. What was possible in the 14th year is missing.
    Ukraine can stand forever on the line of contact without losing anything. The presence of an "enemy at the gates" allows you to blame economic failures on him, maintain the degree of Russophobia, etc. Ukraine cannot abandon its lands in principle.
    So a stalemate arose when “no war, no peace”, and no one was going to fulfill the second half of Trotsky’s words.
    Issuance of Russian passports to LDNR can be seen as a fallback for freezing the situation in Transnistria
    1. asv363 13 February 2020 10: 57 New
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      Quote: Silvestr
      The accession of LDNR to Russia is fraught with new sanctions

      We survive. Sylvester, you, from memory, write from the Crimea. What prevents us from recognizing the DPR and LPR and, according to the results of the referendum, accepting them as part of Russia as the subjects of the federation?
      1. New Year day 13 February 2020 11: 20 New
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        What prevents us from recognizing the DNI and LC

        Sanctions and the ideology of the existence of LDNR. They were created for implantation in Ukraine, and not for joining Russia
  19. Sapsan136 13 February 2020 10: 33 New
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    Bandera’s just got the forum, having significantly strengthened and updated their army, which was defeated in the boilers, adding armored vehicles ... All these talking rooms in Minsk were to the detriment of the Russian Federation and LDN!
  20. Po-tzan 13 February 2020 10: 44 New
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    Five years to the Minsk agreements. What's next?

    Like what"? The two roles of the DPR and LPR with which they successfully dealt were:
    1. perish, covering the Crimea.
    2. be a place for the utilization of passionaries (mainly Russian nationalists, national bolsheviks and communists), since schoolchildren in bulk will not go, and these serious dads could:

    One of the most famous representatives of the Donbass Benes Ayo militia, nicknamed Black Lenin, was detained in the Arkhangelsk region.
    a multi-skinned fighter for Russian rights in the Baltic states, an EU citizen Benes Ayo in the spring of 2014 became one of the prominent participants in the Russian spring, joining the Crimean self-defense unit. Then he spoke at pro-Russian rallies in Donetsk, where his fiery speeches were a great success. As a result of its anti-fascist activity, "Black Lenin" was twice detained by the Ukrainian security forces and was deported from the "Square".
    Later, the volunteer served as part of the Donbass People’s Militia, and then in the ranks of the LPR and DPR Armed Forces.

    According to local eco-activists, Ayo visited the Shies station and was about to leave for Moscow. So, as he is formally a citizen of Latvia, his extradition to the Ukrainian authorities is possible.



    Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1581451502
  21. Ural resident 13 February 2020 10: 51 New
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    I don’t even want to comment on this Minsk. If the authorities were afraid, then it would be possible to abandon New Russia, but in the Donbass to do everything humanly. All the problems are the complete incapacity of our government. And if the desire to end the war can be justified, then other actions cannot be called strange. I'm not saying that 5 years of shelling, was it really impossible to suppress all points? They would have done without problems, but they were afraid that the OSCE would blame the wrong side. The residents of Donetsk themselves were removed from the solution of issues, they put puppets out of fear that others might get out of the general scheme. The same rake with attempts to negotiate with the same Ukrainian elite, flirting with Akhmetov, an attempt to maintain legitimacy where it has long been gone. The withdrawal of all motivated fighters in PMCs and their removal to Syria, for fear of their disobedience. The supply of hydrocarbons for the Ukrainian army, and military equipment from the Crimea in 2014. Complete inaction to capture, or at least institute criminal cases against, junta war criminals. A complete failure in the information war for the minds of people in Ukraine, like talking about independent television broadcasting and silence. Repeated surrender of positions as goodwill gestures is associated with crazy dancing on a rake. And the expulsion of Donbass militias to the territory of Ukrorezhim is already generally beyond comprehension. Our government is panicky afraid of some kind of people's willfulness, and it was more important for her to show how bad it was with the example of Ukraine. What was the hysterical pumping in our media in 2014-2015? It was thought that a military operation was being prepared, but this was done only so that our people would not think to rebel. As a result, the pro-Russian and indeed the sane part of Ukrainians was severely punished so that from now on it would be disgraceful with the tacit consent of the Kremlin and the financial orgy of those in power. Yes, it would be possible without a war to conduct a principled and tough policy if our government really considers Bandera to be enemies.
  22. kriten 13 February 2020 14: 20 New
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    That betrayal of Donbass is 5 years old. They are looking for how to extend it without losing their image ...