ATO veterans: what is the attitude of ordinary Ukrainians towards them


The civil war in Ukraine, provoked by the coup d'etat of 2014, among other problems gave rise to another one: a considerable number of those who, having gone through the heat of the armed conflict in the Donbass, returned from there in the status of "ATO participant". These are hundreds of thousands of people whose fates were broken and crippled (and often on their own initiative), and then they were simply thrown out by the authorities as unnecessary. What is the attitude of ordinary Ukrainians towards them today?


It should be noted that the country has a certain number of “especially patriotic” citizens (mostly in the West) who see former defenders and even “heroes” as former atoshniks. Some people still have such a position, however, frankly, the number of those who adhere to it in comparison with 2014-2015 has decreased significantly. And the “heroes" themselves are to blame for this first of all. Alas, having returned to peaceful life, the vast majority of them brought with them extremely high demands and claims to others, as well as all the vices that their service was saturated with: drunkenness, drug addiction, uncontrolled aggression.

A certain number of "ATO veterans" managed to get comfortable enough "in civilian life", becoming heads of various public organizations, "unions" and similar offices, which are in great demand both among politicians and among representatives of not too legal business and outright criminals . Moreover, both of them use them in approximately the same quality - “power support” in certain situations. These managed to convert their status into tangible benefits of life. The rest had much worse - instead of the promised benefits, and, most importantly, the universal honor and respect promised to them once, these warriors were faced with the indifference of the official bodies and, to put it mildly, with a wary-distant attitude of compatriots.

This is not surprising, given the incredible number of crimes that are committed in the country just by this very brethren.
In almost all the high-profile “custom-made” murders of recent years, from the elimination of ex-State Duma deputy Voronenkov to the undermining of journalist Sheremet, ATO participants are involved. Killers from them turn out just for a sight for sore eyes ... However, which is perhaps even worse, they often kill both other people and themselves - "just like that." Numerous incidents with ammunition brought from the Donbass - most often hand grenades, which in the hands of the "veterans" bring death to everyone around them, have not shocked anyone in Ukraine for a long time. A dull informational routine. “On February 5, 2020, in one of the villages of the Kiev region, a soldier who was on vacation during a feast began to take apart a grenade ...” Well, with a predictable result. The loudest of such incidents of this kind occurred in Kiev last fall - one of the famous "ATO veterans" took and pulled himself and a restaurant guard in the center of the capital.

The tricks of the atoshniks, forcing drivers of fixed-route taxis to carry them for free, and even to turn off “Muscovite music” immediately when a sort of “hero” (most often drunk in smoke) appeared in the cabin, have long become a national disaster in Ukraine. In Dnepropetrovsk, the last such incident occurred on February 8. There, the "veteran" generally refused to show the ID of the participant in the hostilities to the minibus, saying that he was obliged to "know them all in person." It is most remarkable that the conflict resulted in the appearance in the fleet of "representatives of the Council of War Veterans in the Donbass" who nearly beat their path to the trouble of the chief engineer, and goodbye promised "to burn down all the ATP, until the last bus."

After this, one should not be surprised that most sane residents of Ukraine shy away from “ATO veterans” not even because they see them as criminals, but simply as dangerous animals, with an incurable disease, aggressive, vicious and completely unpredictable. However, the dominant attitude towards those who at one time sought fame in the fratricidal war is, rather, not even disgust or fear, but the utter indifference of Ukrainians, to the limit crushed by their own life problems.
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  1. rocket757 13 February 2020 07: 53 New
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    Everything is natural, expected precisely in that situation.
    Incomplete, undead winners sometimes regret, but do not like anywhere and never.
    1. Uncle lee 13 February 2020 08: 03 New
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      dangerous animals, sick with an incurable disease, aggressive, vicious and completely unpredictable
      Who will love such!
      1. svp67 13 February 2020 08: 18 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Who will love such!

        But after all, many of them were not so, but turned into such, as a result of participation in the hostilities, Russia went through the same thing after Afghanistan and the Chechen warriors
        1. Ros 56 13 February 2020 08: 36 New
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          When you lie, jump, but know the measure. Oh, how many “Afghans” he knew, his brother himself is the same, but they did not do such miracles.
        2. tihonmarine 13 February 2020 08: 58 New
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          Quote: svp67
          Russia went through the same thing after Afghanistan and the Chechen warriors

          Well, in Russia, even to such lawlessness with shooting on the streets, it still did not reach. This is the lot of the Makhnovists and Bandera.
          1. Michael vitman 13 February 2020 10: 37 New
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            While they shoot like that!
          2. NF68 13 February 2020 15: 37 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: svp67
            Russia went through the same thing after Afghanistan and the Chechen warriors

            Well, in Russia, even to such lawlessness with shooting on the streets, it still did not reach. This is the lot of the Makhnovists and Bandera.


            No wonder. Many of the banderlogs are not only storks, but it seems that parents also dropped their heads down many times in childhood. Now all this is manifested.
        3. nemez 13 February 2020 09: 35 New
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          I know several * Chechens *. One of them is a cousin. My brother also participated in the second one. None since the veterans * are not acting. They are completely successful people. It all depends on the person, apparently they were not really people at first.
        4. tarackanovaleksei 13 February 2020 22: 40 New
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          There, the enemy was real - gangs of terrorists and bandits, and then artificially created and artificially declared an enemy.
      2. rocket757 13 February 2020 08: 42 New
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        It is so, they honor those who are on the shield or on the horse .... those who are with a bullet, in the loin, no one loves.
      3. knn54 13 February 2020 08: 58 New
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        Not the LAST reason - the Ukrainian authorities blamed social and economic problems on the war - high tariffs, rising prices, the hryvnia exchange rate. Hence the reaction to the “war bearers" who turn from heroes into culprits of problems
      4. Olgovich 13 February 2020 10: 18 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        dangerous animals, sick with an incurable disease, aggressive, vicious and completely unpredictable
        Who Well such will be!

        Nobody likes PUNISHERS!
    2. TermNachTer 13 February 2020 21: 29 New
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      For the most part, "roof" inadequate, drunks, drug addicts. A lot of weapons are walking around the country. Normal people are scared to go out.
  2. svp67 13 February 2020 07: 58 New
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    ATO veterans: what is the attitude of ordinary Ukrainians towards them
    Veteran, veteran discord, and the attitude is different. The soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are good, in general, the army in Ukraine is now respected quite a lot, but the attitude to veterans of all sorts of good workers and volunteers is far from unambiguous. I consider many of them outright bandits who decided to simply cash in ... So, something like that
    1. bessmertniy 13 February 2020 08: 13 New
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      Rights shake those who went to war, how to rob. In civilian life, they are determined to live at the expense of others. For which there is universal dislike and contempt for them. negative
      1. Lipchanin 13 February 2020 09: 02 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        Rights shake those who went to war, how to rob.

        1. tihonmarine 13 February 2020 17: 35 New
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          And it happens
    2. TermNachTer 13 February 2020 21: 30 New
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      When was the last time in Ukraine?
  3. Dur_mod 13 February 2020 08: 00 New
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    I confirm that there is complete indifference to the "veterans of the atom", normal of them do not remember their war, and familiar doctors said that the sea of ​​moral freaks with a broken psyche is returning, and most of them.
    1. Lipchanin 13 February 2020 08: 14 New
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      Quote: Dur_mod
      returns a sea of ​​moral freaks with a broken psyche and most of them.

      Any war cripples the psyche.
      1. siemens7774 13 February 2020 08: 53 New
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        Lipchanin. They were moral freaks before the war. And there they generally turned into doomed.
        1. Lipchanin 13 February 2020 09: 04 New
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          Not all. Natsik, yes. Whom they called, they are not all.
          But they are in the trenches "brains inserted"
          1. nemez 13 February 2020 09: 38 New
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            This cannot be corrected, just like you.
          2. Nyrobsky 13 February 2020 21: 12 New
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            Not all. Natsik, yes. Whom they called, they are not all.
            But they are in the trenches "brains inserted"

            Yes, in principle, everything.
            25 years of systematic deformation of the minds of the population in the direction of "Ameryk with us" have not passed for nothing. My classmate, a Mordvin from near Saransk, his relatives live there, after graduating from a military school, he distributed to Ukraine, and retired there. Communicated normally. A maidan happened, he actively dragged everything that he could to the rebels and shared money with them. Crimea happened, and he attacked everyone who was on the same course with him in Russia, with a claim - why are you attacking us? I will fight with you! No arguments in favor of the fact that this is bullshit and “call your relatives and ask” did not act on him. All in one day removed from friends. Since then, neither his hearing nor his spirit. Probably "won".
            1. Lipchanin 13 February 2020 21: 31 New
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              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Not all. Natsik, yes. Whom they called, they are not all.
              But they are in the trenches "brains inserted"

              Yes, in principle, everything.
              25 years of systematic deformation of the minds of the population in the direction of "Ameryk with us" have not passed for nothing. My classmate, a Mordvin from near Saransk, his relatives live there, after graduating from a military school, he distributed to Ukraine, and retired there. Communicated normally. A maidan happened, he actively dragged everything that he could to the rebels and shared money with them. Crimea happened, and he attacked everyone who was on the same course with him in Russia, with a claim - why are you attacking us? I will fight with you! No arguments in favor of the fact that this is bullshit and “call your relatives and ask” did not act on him. All in one day removed from friends. Since then, neither his hearing nor his spirit. Probably "won".

              The story is certainly not new. Here on the site I heard their sea. Many have lost friends and relatives.
              But I'm talking about something else. About those who went through the war. In the National Bats, as a rule, there were complete thugs and criminals with a roof already punched. And there, from impunity, she collapsed altogether.
              So they imagined that on the "citizen" they can do anything.
              Those who got to the war on call brakes still remained. And they clearly understand where they are.
              That's why they do not "bull". I’m not talking about their attitude towards Russia; I’m talking about lawlessness
    2. svp67 13 February 2020 08: 15 New
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      Quote: Dur_mod
      and familiar doctors told me that the sea of ​​moral freaks with a broken psyche is returning, and most of them.

      Unfortunately, post-war syndrome is a mandatory problem for all warriors, and a lot of things depend on the state, since it requires a lot of money, special programs and trained people to fix it
      1. Uncle lee 13 February 2020 08: 24 New
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        As far as I knew, the Great Patriotic War Participants, like my dad, were not crazy or aggressive among them .... The only thing they loved to look into a glass, but always decent.
        1. Air force 13 February 2020 09: 08 New
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          I agree with you. But it was the Great Patriotic War, the whole country experienced hardships and hardships, each family was affected by the war. And then a civil war, and even a local war, in one area youth thunders in clubs, a disco, a party, and there are fights in the neighboring ones. And no matter how they broadcast (scream) pseudo-media about Russian aggression, for the most part ordinary people all understand that there is no aggression, that there is a criminal war with their own people. And the atoshniks, especially those who went about to fight with the “aggressor” in obstinacy, after getting into any kind of batch like the “Ilovaysky Cauldron”, returning, they are furious when they see that life is going on, people are interested in payments for utility bills, the hryvnia exchange rate and the question of how to dump to Russia or Europe to work. Here in his head there is a dissonance like this, what kind of work is in Russia, and what did I fight for? Another category of people who were simply raked on the agenda, they are also furious that they are in the trenches in defective body armor in the 21st century with the Maxim machine gun sitting and waiting for the response to their shelling of peaceful cities to fly over and you can be left without an arm, leg or head, and at that time their peers are hanging out in clubs. Well, there are a lot of criminals who fumbled for profit, by this they generally robbed a drum in peacetime, and then they got carte blanche and protection from a pseudo-state. Therefore, other veterans, veterans of a criminal war against their people, are committed here.
        2. tihonmarine 13 February 2020 09: 11 New
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          Quote: Uncle Lee
          As far as I knew, the Great Patriotic War Participants, like my dad, were not crazy or aggressive among them .... The only thing they loved to look into a glass, but always decent.

          I, too, for my father, his brothers, and fellow villagers, some of them were mutilated, but there weren’t psychos and pseudo-heroes among them. And they drank a glass more on holidays, but there was no drunkenness.
          1. Uncle lee 13 February 2020 09: 17 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            on holidays

            The country was raised, but children were raised .... My uncle, one-legged, built a house, drove an M-72 and was a kind person ....
            1. tihonmarine 13 February 2020 09: 20 New
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              Quote: Uncle Lee
              The country was raised, but children were raised.

              That's right, they were not foolish, they defended the country, and they lifted it from the ruins. I bow to them waist-deep.
      2. nemez 13 February 2020 09: 39 New
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        This is the case in the West. But you must earn money in war.
  4. Avior 13 February 2020 08: 23 New
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    Both the current Armed Forces of Ukraine and the former from Ato in Ukraine have a very positive attitude, without enthusiasm, of course, but on the whole they are noticeably positive for the average resident.
    And the authorities cannot be said that they have forgotten, there are benefits, and so on.
    About what shy away from them, as the author wrote, it is very far from the truth.
    But as for the drivers of minibuses, to whom almost without exception everyone with whom you communicate is rather negative, this has become an anti-hero for itself, especially because of their characteristic driving style and some scandals connected with them forever.
    As in a joke and how a missionary came to heaven, his sins and charitable deeds are examined there, weighed, where to go next, he tells the apostle, look, I converted 10 people to God every year, and even took the minibus driver to heaven.
    He answers, you are 10 people per year, and he has 20 people turned to God for every trip smile
  5. Lamata 13 February 2020 08: 25 New
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    let the sobering come
  6. The leader of the Redskins 13 February 2020 08: 41 New
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    The author, as I understand it, ran a gallop through the pages, choosing the most convenient for himself and gave out to the mountain a hodgepodge of selected chernukha.
    As a person who visited a month ago outside of Dill, I hasten to disappoint him - alas, but in most cases it’s not no
    But articles of this nature, apparently, are needed at VO. Like garlic in a dish - not everyone likes it, but it’s still sweet, but juicy!
    1. Lamata 13 February 2020 09: 15 New
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      And enlighten, as in Ukraine, especially the economical situation for the population. Not sarcasm, just really interesting. I have a relative living in Lviv, I haven’t been talking with him for a long time because it’s not real, I’m an enemy and a Muscovite.
      1. revnagan 13 February 2020 10: 11 New
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        Quote: Lamata
        And enlighten, as in Ukraine, especially the economical situation for the population.

        It got worse than with gutting. He at least understood that industry was capable of making a profit. "Zelenkin" is a dumb youth, incited by an experienced Jewish lobby. What industrial production is and why it is not clear to them. Where to get money for their utopian youth projects (and where in money is taken from the state), they don’t get it. They live on the fact that Uncle Sam will come and give Kolomoish. Hidden unemployment will go off scale. overflow. Work n Uh, but in the army they pay five to ten times more than in production. Plus benefits. In minibuses, "wipers" are kept, for the transportation of which the budget compensates the carrier for the money. Yes, they do not like punishers, but it’s dangerous to tell them the truth I’m “calculating” such “separs” and they may have troubles. These stuffed animals walk proudly tinkling tin medals proudly. There is no need to do anything for strength. But there are normal ones, they don’t poke medals, they work modestly, they don’t stick out themselves. These are mainly those that have come under mobilization. In general, human Resources abound, and everything else-God dast.Chego will be ....
        1. Lamata 13 February 2020 10: 21 New
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          Thanks for the reply.
          1. revnagan 13 February 2020 14: 03 New
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            yes please contact.
      2. The leader of the Redskins 13 February 2020 13: 12 New
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        Well, what I saw ... Without any tinsel, about presidents, parliament and so on. Like a simple person who came to a simple person, a senior citizen.
        My father receives a subsidy - compensation for heating. There some amounts are not exceeded, therefore, has the right, and uses it. True, he complained that this year he had to collect more papers.
        Travel and food prices jumped, but not critically. And retirement travel is still free.
        About Athos. I saw a memorial plaque at the school "I studied here" ... With a portrait, in uniform, as it should ... Monument to attorneys was erected, one street was renamed, billboards with color photos of the dead are located in the city. Their graves were located on the central alley of the cemetery. Judging by the similar sizes and execution, they are prepared apparently by one firm and at state expense.
        Oh yes! He talked briefly with one acquaintance, he took part for several months, then they were written off for health. I admit - he began to drink a lot. But, as a participant, he received a plot of land in the Kiev region, but, as unnecessary, he sold it. In general, something like this.
    2. nemez 13 February 2020 09: 44 New
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      Sound the details of the trip. And then something liberal turns out
  7. mikh-korsakov 13 February 2020 08: 41 New
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    What I read is understandable, for sure it is. That's what I don't like. Should someone from the authorities in Ukraine blurt out something “original”, as soon as our hosts of numerous talk shows begin to wrinkle their foreheads and ask the audience about what blush it means and for what reason, when it blotted it (reminded me from past times, when we studied at a political study what the founder meant when he wrote ...). Firstly, most likely I didn’t mean anything, but blurted out for some reason - there are a lot of options - after yesterday, quarreling with my mother-in-law, or finally just not thinking, knowing that any of his statements will be studied in the Republic of Tatarstan, and the hosts will simply will not notice. Think Ek Spinoza - what it was to discuss something. They need to discuss something - at least they would have found another reason.
    1. mikh-korsakov 13 February 2020 08: 43 New
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      Congratulations on being promoted to Major General. As for washing, I will do it virtually.
      1. Lipchanin 13 February 2020 09: 05 New
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        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        Congratulations on being promoted to Major General. As for washing, I will do it virtually.

        drinks
      2. Lamata 13 February 2020 10: 22 New
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        drinks have earned it !! Congratulations
  8. ZaharoFF 13 February 2020 09: 00 New
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    Permissiveness and impunity played a cruel joke with these people. The rest are commonplace marauders.
  9. Cowbra 13 February 2020 09: 40 New
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    Why the hell to expect from them. since they themselves write on stripes - "dill". Dill is not even an animal, a plant. And even before the chock - he grow and grow - and then do not grow
  10. Borz 13 February 2020 09: 45 New
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    "Let Basurman remember, a veteran is a veteran,
    For me to kill, what to spit, what on @ t to the drum "(c), The Tale of Fedot the Archer.
    But seriously, what attitude can there be towards the military personnel participating in the civil war, having prtv his own people? Fortunately, in our region these marginals do not show off, they behave exactly. And they didn’t wear their medals on camouflage in 2016, at least I haven’t seen it for a long time.
    These "heroes" doomed themselves to eternal contempt. I think so.
  11. KBaHT_BpeMeHu 13 February 2020 10: 13 New
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    These are hundreds of thousands of people.
    And each of them served in the best case for the people, at worst for the Lynch court. We require action!
  12. Grandfather Crimea 13 February 2020 10: 58 New
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    Something seems to me, for VO, this article is not entirely appropriate. Or it is necessary to make a separate section. My friends live in the center of Ukraine and I can say that all these guys (from 18 to 60 years old) who went through mobilization and a 90% contract are against the Russian Federation. Putin is the main evil. There are just scumbags. Some of the youth behind the scenes (this is not posted) is engaged in local self-defense (this is something like this, at the signal of thirty children will be in the right place with "everything necessary" to complete their tasks). They are all shot at, someone shot well. ... They are invited to schools. They are participants in the hostilities, respectively, privileges for a communal apartment, free travel, someone is even being treated in a hospital. Many drink, there are aggressive ones, units (from 250) undergo rehabilitation. Everyone received land or compensation. Someone returned again to the trenches but already for the money for the contract. The attitude towards them is different, not unambiguous. To those whom they took on the mobilization agenda — a more relaxed attitude, and who themselves went — wary, negative, or vice versa (among nationalists) it is very commendable. With warriors, especially if they are under a fly, try not to mess with.
    1. Selevc 18 February 2020 19: 11 New
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      Quote: Grandfather Crimea
      (this is something like this - at the signal of thirty children will be in the right place with "everything necessary" to complete the tasks)

      So this is a “hybrid war” - a new way of warfare ... And these “their people on the ground” are being run - ideologically prepared already behind the hill ... The army of nationalists seems to be there and at the same time it seems to be gone - and their people can always dissolve in the crowd of ordinary people ... You have just voiced the technology of warfare itself - as a result of this war, Ukraine will completely plunge into chaos ... What has happened by the way more than once in its history ...

      "Ukraine is a battering ram with which we will destroy Russia" - Zbigniew Brzezinski
      "Russia is a besieged fortress" - Michael McFaul
      The enemies of Russia are already saying in plain text - EES is the army, Ukraine is a battering ram, Russia is a besieged fortress .... Still have questions ???
      Yes, I want to add at all times cannon fodder usually does not understand itself what it is ...)))
  13. iouris 13 February 2020 13: 03 New
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    And what does this relationship matter if US agents have power? Ukraine is still a "democratic" state (although Republicans are in power).
  14. RoTTor 19 February 2020 17: 20 New
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    FIVE YEARS IN DONBASS NO ANY BATTLE ACTIONS.,
    And in all major cities of Ukraine, there are more shootings daily, more killed and wounded than on their “eastern front” / well, it’s not for nothing that the nationalists associate Donbass with the “Eastern Front” for those fascists.
    Nevertheless, UBD without a database is already 400 people.

    Ukraine is the world leader in idiotic records, and here, a strange war - without fighting and without declaring war lasts SIX years.

    And until this terminally ill and contagious country has disappeared, the war will not end - all the bad things happening there are attributed to it: theft, corruption, economic collapse, increased crime, catastrophic population decline ... There has been no good there for a long time.
    So the records of the duration of the wars - Thirty and Centennial, will be broken if the country 404 is about

    Two big differences are real veterans, our fathers and grandfathers, who defeated fascism and rebuilt the country, and these, WyTiran-looters and gopniks.
    And how the concept of “volunteer” was perverted there, turning into a “SVOLontor” -marauder-marketer ...

    So the root cause must be eradicated - the fascist-nationalist quasi-state.