As ridiculed Su-57, "Armata", the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov": an information war or a real reason


The latest Russian weapons - the Su-57 aircraft, the Armata tank, as well as the repaired aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov - have become objects of ridicule for the Western media. The Russian liberals are not far behind the mass media of the likely adversary.


As you know, with respect to Russia and the Russian army in the West, two main positions now dominate. The first is demonizing: Russia is portrayed as an authoritarian state with exorbitant imperial ambitions, a battle-worthy army and threatening Europe, and the world as a whole.

The second - mocking or "debunking": Russia is presented as a poor state, not capable of introducing new technologies, and its army - as armed with an obsolete weapons, incompetent, struck by various vices such as hazing and corruption: "a gas station with a nuclear club."

By the example of attitudes towards Russian weapons, these two positions are viewed very well. While some Western media are intimidating their audience with a continuous increase in the military power of Russia, other media, and among them the Russian-speaking media are especially notable, “debunk the myths” about Russian weapons. In 2015, the West was delighted with the photo of the stalled right on Red Square tank "Armata". No less jubilant was the recent Su-57 crash in the Far East in 2019.

American military expert Joseph Trevitik joyfully writes that India’s withdrawal from the Su-57 program is fraught with great problems for Russia. For example, the serial production of the latest fighter because of this supposedly may even be called into question. Edition The Drive lists a number of shortcomings of the Su-57 and argues that for India, the best way would be to buy European or American fighter jets.

But if the Western media evaluate Russian weapons, trying to focus on its technical flaws, then Russian publications ridicule the government for a waste of money. In their opinion, both the Armata tank and the Su-57 fighter are very expensive, burdensome for the budget, but technically not the best projects.

“Suffocating smoke of the Fatherland: the only Russian aircraft carrier“ Admiral Kuznetsov ”claimed two more lives” - under this heading, for example, an article was published in Novaya Gazeta. Its author Tatyana Britskaya concludes that before 2023 an aircraft carrier will not leave the plant.

“Do not swim, so take off. Russia's military power is at the bottom, but we will scare NATO all the same! ”Is another article in the same publication. Yulia Latynina, to whom this material belongs, calls the accident on a floating dock evidence of “monstrous technological degradation” of Russia, as if accidents did not occur at the facilities of fleets and armies of European states or the United States.

In the blogosphere, expressions about Russian military equipment are even tougher. Not constrained by the fear of losing media registration, liberal bloggers seem to compete in abusive epithets against Russian planes, tanks, an aircraft carrier: “shame, complete debacle, a real dummy.” Only in this way and not otherwise do they characterize the novelties and modernization of Russian military equipment.

Focusing on the shortcomings of the latest Russian weapons, the foreign media set one of the main tasks also to discredit, ridicule Russia as an arms supplier in the eyes of potential buyers. There is very high competition on the world market of military equipment and weapons, and many countries in Asia, Africa, and Latin America are eager to buy Russian products - they are modern, high-quality, and cheaper than American or European ones.

Therefore, the military-industrial companies of the United States and Europe are interested in weakening Russian positions in the arms market and are trying to pull away buyers of its weapons from Russia. And sometimes, as is the case with India and the Su-57, it even succeeds. Although the sale of Turkey S-400, for example, became a "spit in the face" not only to the American military industry, but also to the White House itself.

The Russian liberal press is actually participating in an information war on a foreign side. Criticizing Russian weapons, it seeks to convince our Russian layman of the weaknesses of both the country as a whole and the army. Like, under Putin, Russia does not create anything else and can not, like breaking tanks and falling planes.

Thus, Russians are trying to convince that even those areas of the Russian state’s policies that one could be proud of are in fact as hopeless as his economic and social policies. That is, the only goal of this “criticism-analytics” in liberal publications is to increase dissatisfaction with the authorities, albeit in such a dubious way as ridicule of Russian scientists, engineers, military and their projects.
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  1. vvvjak 12 February 2020 17: 34 New
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    "The weakling barks, but the caravan goes."
    1. Sergey39 12 February 2020 17: 41 New
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      And what else remains for them? Only cut your budget and blame on us.
    2. Morgan 12 February 2020 18: 29 New
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      does not go but creeps
      1. snake 12 February 2020 21: 16 New
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        Quote: morgan
        does not go but creeps

        Actually, there is no caravan. Some promises: the caravan project is scheduled for 20XX. Well, a small demonstration caravan on May 9 is only available. 10 Armat, a couple of Kurganians and Coalitions. And that’s it!
        1. Serega Dezhko 13 February 2020 01: 12 New
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          The West will have nothing of the kind for another 20 years. And, given their general degradation, it may not be at all.
          1. Super 13 February 2020 14: 03 New
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            That's for sure! The Yankees have ruined their industry, and now it remains only to powerlessly bark!
          2. kutuz 13 February 2020 22: 49 New
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            “it appears as a poor state, incapable of introducing new technologies, and its army - as armed with obsolete weapons” - but the truth is!
        2. meandr51 13 February 2020 17: 24 New
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          Everything is correct, let’s continue like this in the training manual! Only confirm the content of the article.
      2. neri73-r 13 February 2020 10: 54 New
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        Quote: morgan
        does not go but creeps

        The main thing is to achieve the goal! And we will crawl / reach, and you look after yourself so that you don’t "run" past (the goal)! In EW, hypersound already ran, in nuclear mox technologies too !!! Yes, and many more where else. hi
    3. lucul 12 February 2020 20: 11 New
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      "The weakling barks, but the caravan goes."

      Yes, here on the forum half of the Communists echoed to them - just the same way they blame for their rejection of arms.
      1. Squelcher 12 February 2020 23: 32 New
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        And what to take from the traitors, then? They profaned the union, were soul-mongering with poison and spit.
      2. stepka_razin 13 February 2020 05: 52 New
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        Yes, here on the forum half of the Communists echo them-just the same they blame for their rejection

        But I wonder how local cheers "patriots" differ from real US patriots? Both factions vehemently hate and fear communism, they believe that the Russian army has the most advanced developments in billions of copies, and the United States lacks the means and technology for arming))
        There are no differences wink
        1. lucul 13 February 2020 05: 55 New
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          But I wonder how local cheers "patriots" differ from real US patriots?

          So you are probably direct from the American battlefield (forum) to us?
          As they say - with heat, with heat .....
          1. stepka_razin 13 February 2020 06: 35 New
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            So you are probably direct from the American battlefield (forum) to us?
            As they say - with heat, with heat .....

            And what arrows translate dear, already found out that you are a US patriot
            So continue your propaganda and throw a dizu about the state of the modern army of the Russian Federation so that the people do not have questions for those who form and arm, this is your main goal in this forum
            1. neri73-r 13 February 2020 10: 58 New
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              Quote: stepka_razin
              dear, already figured out that you are a US patriot

              Under which of your nicknames did you find out? Today is registered on January 15, when did you manage? laughing
    4. Dima_Anlim 12 February 2020 22: 43 New
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      Only the wrong dogs bark. Those who brag to the whole world for what he actually does not bark. This is just about our Russian officials. It’s time to legalize “None of the World” as a term - experimental non-serial copies for the parades on Red Square. Which in 20 years will go into a small series. Or they won’t go at all.
      1. Serega Dezhko 13 February 2020 01: 14 New
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        Well, go on, go on. Do not be shy.
      2. Nastia makarova 13 February 2020 08: 18 New
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        Trolls already tired of barking ((((
      3. meandr51 13 February 2020 17: 26 New
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        They have every right to say anything. Like disu, and the truth. And let the Pentagon understand ...
      4. Vladimir Udovichenko 13 February 2020 18: 54 New
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        You, a worm in a swoon, sit at home, do not go anywhere. You’ve already left for you. Otherwise, you’ll get hurt, the people around you will be unpleasant.
    5. Atilla 17 February 2020 05: 57 New
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      And in the West, these two positions are not correct? What they are not right. Well, for Putin’s shmar all that is at least a little critical of the Russian Federation is already a provocation and Russophobia.
  2. kot423 12 February 2020 17: 35 New
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    Whatever the child was amusing ... They were so outraged with the patriot, Ford (Avik), zamvoltom, penguin - that it’s easier to hush up the mockery of the enemy’s weapons than to not have time to make diapers for their peoples ...
    1. Dangerous 12 February 2020 18: 52 New
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      Yes, our diapers are everything!
    2. Kalmar 12 February 2020 22: 52 New
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      Quote: kot423
      They are so scandalized with a patriot, Ford (Avik), Zamolvol, penguin

      With the “Patriot”, it seems, they were not so much hassled as the Arabs, who are not really able to use it.
      Ford is more or less in order. Not without sins, well, after all, the first ship of the series is not surprising.
      "Zamvolt" - a semi-experimental ship, which tried to squeeze all the innovations, which they thought of. It didn’t take off, it happens, but the experience gained can be replicated to other types of military vessels.

      Quote: kot423
      that it’s easier to gloss over the enemy’s weapons

      It's funny that we are doing about the same thing. One by one only F-35 how many traveled: both defective, and it flies badly, and a lot of problems. And how he merges our T-50 / Su-57 - it is generally painted in full detail.
      1. kot423 12 February 2020 23: 39 New
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        ""Ford "more or less in order. Not without sins, well, because the first ship of the series, no wonder."
        Smiled.
        “Problems with the materiel have been haunted by a giant ship since the first time they went to sea: first, one after the other, the bearings of two of the four propeller shafts failed. On the two remaining screws, the aircraft carrier somehow returned to the harbor, where representatives of General Electric, responsible for the power plant , they recognized the defect as manufacturing. Further, more. In 2018, sea trials in the power plant of an aircraft carrier revealed a problem so serious that they describe it vaguely. "The ship is having difficulty converting energy, working out driven by its nuclear reactors, into the rotation of the propellers, "the US Navy said. Gerald R. Ford towed to the port, preliminary diagnostics showed critical problems with steam generators and turbines - they just convert nuclear heat into rotation of the screws.

        For a thorough examination and repair, the aircraft carrier headed to Newport News - to the shipyard where it was built. On the way there was a new breakdown - on the steam generator of another reactor (the ship has two), after which Gerald R. Ford was forced to return to the Norfolk Naval Station with an unclear fate.

        In addition to traffic problems, the aircraft carrier doesn’t have ammunition arms lifts to the flight deck - it’s impossible to use the ship without them — and fashionable electromagnetic catapults were unable to lift fifth-generation F-35 fighters, which the wing should consist of. "Floating disaster" "Taken here https://rg.ru/2019/06/19/plavuchaia-katastrofa-v-ssha-nazvali-problemy-avianoscev-tipa-ford.ford, although there are a lot of articles in any search. about "semi-experimental, the Arabs are to blame, the penguin is unjustly offended" - to compare the budgets of the Russian Federation and mattresses this is so for yourself = there are more opportunities for striped people, but it turns out that
        1. Kalmar 13 February 2020 10: 04 New
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          Quote: kot423
          In addition to traffic problems, the aircraft carrier does not have ammunition arms lifts to the flight deck — it is impossible to use the ship without them — and fashionable electromagnetic catapults were unable to lift fifth-generation F-35 fighters, of which the wing should consist

          https://news.usni.org/2019/06/03/congress-unhappy-with-ford-class-inability-to-deploy-with-f-35-fighters
          In short: due to a failure to meet deadlines, the catapults and lifts were postponed until later. So, yes, we waved with the Ford famously, it was expected in time and the budgets did not fit. Do we not know how this happens.

          Quote: kot423
          “semi-experimental, the Arabs are to blame, the penguin is unjustly offended” - comparing the budgets of the Russian Federation and mattresses is something like that = there are more opportunities for striped people, but it turns out that

          It turns out that they have a lot of things, it’s just more interesting for the patriotic press to talk about failures. Some projects are not set, this is expected. Only for them it is not so critical: in bulk, they can afford to rivet some “Zamvolt”, slap their tongues and close the program. We have traditionally end-to-end resources; any failure turns into a serious problem.
      2. meandr51 13 February 2020 17: 29 New
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        That's right. Everyone takes a certain side and works in the interests of a certain country. When Russia is discredited in English, these are soldiers. When in Russian - these are traitors.
        1. Not so, meandr51. You can love your country and your army and powerfully criticize. As he did, for example, in his famous order, “Not a step back! ,, ((1942.) I.V. Stalin. Loving slapped the Red Army. Voiced silence came while reading this order. To the depths of the heart reached the order of the Supreme Commander. Veterans until the death hour remembered the words from that order.
          You can love the country of Russia and treat the state that is now functioning on its territory badly. ,, RK ,, (,, Capitalist Russia ,,) for more than a quarter of a century has been paying tribute to the West through the predatory rate of the ruble against the dollar. For that respect her? ,, Armata ,, is already 5 (!) Years old. Where are the units she armed? The pace of production of armored vehicles in Kazakhstan is comparable with the pace of production of armored vehicles in the USSR at the end of TWENTY YEARS of the last century. For this respect the RK?
          For the fact that they learned to PLAY Soviet aircraft in the 70-80s of the last century (Tu-160, Tu-22M3). For this respect the RK?
          Here in the cultivation of dollar millionaires - in this, yes, our ,, traders are strong. But love and x for this we are not obliged
          1. meandr51 17 February 2020 12: 21 New
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            Of course, it is possible to compare the MS-1 with the T-90M in terms of quantity ... It just makes no sense. The main point is the absence of war with minimal defense spending. We have been without a big war for 30 years under the current government. This means that the combination of political, economic and military factors and maneuvers is quite satisfactory.
      3. Alexey RA 13 February 2020 18: 23 New
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        Quote: Kalmar
        "Zamvolt" is a semi-experimental ship in which all the innovations they tried to squeeze into have guessed.

        Ahem ... it’s now considered so. And initially, DD (X) was planned to be built in the amount of as many as thirty-two pieces. Then they reduced it to twenty-four. Then until seven. But only three were built.
        Actually, DD (X) and LCS were to become the backbone of USN at the beginning of the XNUMXst century. But something went wrong ... smile
        The funny thing is that Zamvolt’s problems started for the same reason as the second ship of the program - the LCS: while both of these wunderwaffs were designed and built, coastal air defense missiles began to creep around the world. And in this situation, ships with full air defense were in demand.
      4. Psih86 13 February 2020 19: 59 New
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        Quote: Kalmar
        Ford is more or less in order. Not without sins, well, after all, the first ship of the series is not surprising.
        "Zamvolt" - a semi-experimental ship, which tried to squeeze all the innovations, which they thought of. It didn’t take off, it happens, but the experience gained can be replicated to other types of military vessels.

        Well, on the whole, both the Armata and the Su-57 are semi-experimental, almost the first equipment in their lineup and
        Quote: Kalmar
        It didn’t take off, it happens, but the experience gained can be replicated to other
        models.
        Or is it only Americans and Europeans who can mess with similar excuses? And in the Russian Federation / USSR should do everything the first time?
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        2. Kalmar 14 February 2020 09: 06 New
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          Quote: PsiH86
          Or is it only Americans and Europeans who can mess with similar excuses? And in the Russian Federation / USSR should do everything the first time?

          Actually, yes, somehow. The reason is simple - money. The Americans have a lot of them, they can afford to throw endless Brazilian dollars on some kind of child prodigy, and then toss the child prodigy itself, because the “child prodigy” was not enough. We have little money, for such experiments they are not corny. Sad, sad, but it just so happened.
          1. Heathen 14 February 2020 14: 39 New
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            Mattresses have a lot of money, and candy wrappers are not provided with anything. And the gigantic debts that they give, apparently do not plan. And there is nothing left of his production ...
            So to think that in their case it is possible to throw money down the drain is quite consistent with the classic "if a person is idiot, then this is for a long time."
            Although I personally do not mind - more Zamvoltov!
      5. nickname7 14 February 2020 20: 36 New
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        Zamvolt is a semi-experimental ship

        But Zamvolt did not participate in parades, this is the difference. If Armata also did not participate in the parades and would be completed in its course and there would be no complaints. And so, boasting of three experimental specimens is not correct.
  3. Dmitry Potapov 12 February 2020 17: 38 New
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    And I am proud of the Russian army! As for criticism, let them taste it!
    1. gurzuf 12 February 2020 17: 48 New
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      Absolutely right! Laughing with anger and mustache ... written with fear.
    2. snake 12 February 2020 21: 21 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      And I am proud of the Russian army! As for criticism, let them taste it!

      Really! "We can repeat it!" "To Berlin!" And even before retirement as before Beijing with cancer ... Everything for the front! Victory! Victory! Victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. tarackanovaleksei 13 February 2020 00: 34 New
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        To Berlin, you. A refugee. There janitors are needed.
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  5. Nikolay87 12 February 2020 17: 40 New
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    This is normal. Balance. Patriotic media praise, pointing to virtues, liberal media praise, pointing to flaws. Westerners do both.
    "To crucian swim, you need a pike" hi
    1. remal 12 February 2020 19: 02 New
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      But for me it is better to let the patriots criticize and compare the real effectiveness of technology with foreign counterparts. And the "liberals" with their selective criticism would generally shut up. The problem is not that everything was lost, but the futile expenditure of funds, and it is not the country and the engineers who are to blame, but very specific responsible persons. In general, it’s right that Kuznetsov was sent to the Mediterranean Sea, but the fact that they reacted to the criticism of the “liberals” and then began to dodge and rush about, instead of the normal debriefing, is bad.
      1. Dart2027 12 February 2020 19: 25 New
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        Quote: remal
        But for me it is better to let the patriots criticize and compare the real effectiveness

        The problem is that some only criticize.
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      2. Nikolay87 12 February 2020 19: 53 New
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        A "liberal" with their selective criticism

        and it’s not the country and the engineers who are to blame, but very specific responsible persons

        Are you not selective? lol
        That is why “liberal” media are needed, each of their 10th condemnation (taken from the head) is indeed not superfluous. And who will upset officials in their squandering ?! yes
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      4. Kalmar 12 February 2020 22: 40 New
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        Quote: remal
        But for me it is better to let the patriots criticize and compare the real effectiveness of technology with foreign counterparts. And the "liberals" with their selective criticism would generally shut up.

        Mmm, but how can one be distinguished from others? An exam on patriotism to introduce? Or, say, if an article contains only criticism, without reservation, they say, "it’s still better than stupid Americans," then it is "liberal" and should be shut up? And why is this desire to shut up, if you can critically criticize critics? Or just a shame that they have nothing to argue? Some questions ...

        Well, the article itself is a match - the cry of Yaroslavna. Bad "liberal" media and frightened bloggers do not want to be proud of Russian weapons. They criticize you, you know. We will not refute this criticism, that you are. A normal patriot, it turns out, should be proud of and that's it. Not "thanks," so "contrary." And if you are not proud, the stamp "liberalist" is on his forehead and drive off the stage so that the landscape does not spoil.
        1. Squelcher 12 February 2020 23: 35 New
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          No, you can still minus to sculpt in stupid malice! When an unpleasant truth breaks the pattern.
        2. remal 13 February 2020 00: 16 New
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          Yes, when the aircraft carrier sailed, all the world media wrote about it, the liberals immediately thought that everyone was laughing, in fact it was a surprise that Russia has an aircraft carrier. Well, the officials listened to the liberals in response, twitched, heaped up business, several people died, the dock was flooded, a fire.
          1. Kalmar 13 February 2020 09: 48 New
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            Quote: remal
            in fact, it was a surprise that Russia has an aircraft carrier

            Didn’t you know before? Well i.e. surprised, of course, that he was somehow afloat. Then they ceased to be amazed when it turned out that he was afloat precisely what was somehow poor.
    2. Pavel57 12 February 2020 19: 08 New
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      Quote: Nikolay87
      This is normal. Balance. Patriotic media praise, pointing to virtues, liberal media praise, pointing to flaws. Westerners do both.
      "To crucian swim, you need a pike" hi


      Liberals often do not indicate flaws, but they are invented.
    3. nickname7 14 February 2020 20: 43 New
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      The difference with the liberals is that they always find fault, everything is bad with them. The urapatriots are gullible and even believe in cartoons and in the "dress of the naked king", there is a third category that does not seek to groan, but does not like it when they "rub glasses" with cartoons.
  6. Professor Preobrazhensky 12 February 2020 17: 41 New
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    The latest Russian weapons - the Su-57 aircraft, the Armata tank, as well as the repaired aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov - have become objects of ridicule for the Western media. Keep up with the mass media of the potential adversary and Russian liberals.

    I’ve never ranked myself a liberal, except with two hands for euthanasia and the legalization of prostitution, but this is a separate topic for discussion.
    But about the above-mentioned "military memes" I myself can’t go without a joke. And I don’t see anything wrong with that! Only smart people can laugh at themselves and their failures, and the situation with Kuznetsov, Armata and the fifth generation of the plane is our long-playing, complex absurdity with you)))
    1. tihonmarine 12 February 2020 17: 51 New
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      Quote: Professor Preobrazhensky
      I’ve never considered myself a liberal, except with two hands for euthanasia and the legalization of prostitution.

      Well this is already very cool. You should probably participate on the Silver Rose website.
      1. Professor Preobrazhensky 12 February 2020 18: 26 New
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        My mother was dying for seven years in her arms. Fortunately, the level of prosperity allowed to delay the inevitable, to anesthetize it as much as possible and, most importantly, to pay for the caregiver.
        So I would not want to repeat her fate - it is insanely painful and burdensome for loved ones, so I would prefer euthanasia for myself.
        Well, about prostitution - that’s how it is and the income from the protection of the roof goes to the hands of the security forces, and not to the treasury. It is pointless to fight it; it is better to take it under legal control.
        1. tihonmarine 12 February 2020 18: 51 New
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          Quote: Professor Preobrazhensky
          It is pointless to fight it; it is better to take it under legal control.

          The best fight against crime when you led it. Nothing is new under the moon.
        2. Krasnodar 12 February 2020 19: 11 New
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          Quote: Professor Preobrazhensky
          My mother was dying for seven years in her arms. Fortunately, the level of prosperity allowed to delay the inevitable, to anesthetize it as much as possible and, most importantly, to pay for the caregiver.
          So I would not want to repeat her fate - it is insanely painful and burdensome for loved ones, so I would prefer euthanasia for myself.
          Well, about prostitution - that’s how it is and the income from the protection of the roof goes to the hands of the security forces, and not to the treasury. It is pointless to fight it; it is better to take it under legal control.

          Legal euthanasia in Switzerland - 3500 €
          And before that, psychologists talk with a person - they convince them to abandon the procedure. Transfer, transfers - another 700-1000 francs (w).
          Prostitution - I completely agree - taxes to the treasury, mandatory regular inspection of women.
          1. Professor Preobrazhensky 12 February 2020 19: 30 New
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            Thank you very much for your understanding and a similar point of view!
          2. Gardamir 12 February 2020 19: 38 New
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            Prostitution - totally agree
            So that’s why you are against the Soviet regime.
            1. Krasnodar 12 February 2020 20: 01 New
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              Quote: Gardamir
              Prostitution - totally agree
              So that’s why you are against the Soviet regime.

              This is not why)) The Soviet government was lying - it fed the bullshit to the people about the plight of the working people of the decaying West, while lagging behind in medicine, the availability and quality of goods and the inequality between the welfare of the "servants of the people" and ordinary citizens. Then, having decided to rise to the level of their own well-being to the standards of the sharks of capitalism, they simply privatized public property, stupidly draining the country.
              1. Gardamir 12 February 2020 22: 19 New
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                Soviet power was false
                Everything is relative. Probably the most “honest” government now.
                1. Krasnodar 12 February 2020 22: 34 New
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                  It is probably much more honest than bespontovaya propaganda, total prohibitions and unannounced privileges of the “higher caste” of classless society.
              2. Mordvin 3 12 February 2020 23: 45 New
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                Quote: Krasnodar
                The Soviet government was lying - feeding bullshit to the people about the plight of the working people of the decaying West, while lagging behind in medicine, the availability and quality of goods and the inequality between the welfare of "public servants" and ordinary citizens.

                Is not it so? I remember the American film dock, where one sawmill worker told me how they offered him a choice of fingers to sew on. Either the little finger or the nameless one, he did not have enough insurance for both.
                1. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 00: 16 New
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                  We have already discussed this nonsense))
                  1. Mordvin 3 13 February 2020 00: 23 New
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                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    We already discussed this nonsense.

                    Can we discuss how our disabled people are removed from groups? From life:
                    - Do you know how to light a gas stove?
                    - I can ...
                    - Can you fry the eggs?
                    - I can...
                    Goofy, it turns out, and she is no longer the second group of disability, but the third.
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                      Let's discuss. Officials are waiting for money for the first group. Surely the Jews. Or recruited by the State Department. )))
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                        . Officials are waiting for money for the first group.

                        Funny huh? But to me it’s not very good. I worked at an enterprise for people with disabilities, so they paid two-thirds of the minimum wage.
                      2. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 00: 49 New
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                        Your suggestions?
                      3. Mordvin 3 13 February 2020 00: 56 New
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                        You will not like them.
                      4. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 01: 11 New
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                        Revolution and dispossession? fellow
                      5. Mordvin 3 13 February 2020 01: 15 New
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                        Revolution and dispossession

                        Enough and progressive, and the tax on luxury.
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                        laughing
                        Many businesses will close, grandmothers will be withdrawn, employers will leave, unemployment will increase - then what? )))
                        Someone will stop taking bribes and will not steal?
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                        Someone will stop taking bribes and will not steal?

                        And for bribe confiscation.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        grandmothers will be withdrawn, employers will leave,

                        Yes, and let them roll away, with a tablecloth path.
                      8. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 03: 00 New
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                        Look around
                        There will be less work
                        Salaries will drop - because there will be less work, and more applicants for one job
                        Prices will skyrocket the same unproductive food products will be Western-made
                        Conclusion: there will be less money, prices will be higher
                      9. Mordvin 3 13 February 2020 04: 16 New
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                        There will be less work

                        If instead of your gold grades you make enterprises, then there will be more work. I wonder why for one person in the house two toilets? Does he have two asses? Or as Safronov was asked: "And what do you have unusual in the apartment? Well ..., the toilet is Japanese, musical! 20 thousand bucks worth it!" Ugh, aphid ...
                      10. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 04: 23 New
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                        I have 6 people living in my apartment - that's why two outhouses)) And who will do the enterprise - the state? laughing And who said that something will be done from the UNMTAS - apartments will be sold to officials - new servants of the people fellow
                      11. Mordvin 3 13 February 2020 04: 29 New
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                        And who will do the enterprise - the state?

                        And who did under Stalin? There, we have Proctel Gamble, the bourgeoisie bought it, so it was originally the Third Five-Year Plan artel, already on the second day after the Germans blew up the workshop and fled, they began to rebuild. Even the boys did not have time to put together German helmets for scarecrows.
                      12. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 04: 38 New
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                        Under Stalin, there was enthusiasm and people sincerely believed that life would be better. What can you offer them now? What idea? All for three-kopecks salaries at state enterprises? Planned economy? Internet disconnection? Prohibition of travel abroad? This is the Civil War ..
                      13. Mordvin 3 13 February 2020 04: 49 New
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                        What can you offer them now? What idea?

                        Justice, for example. I wonder why my aunt, working as a nurse in Moscow, gets four times as much as my sister, who also works as a nurse? Do they have different responsibilities? No ... The same thing. Are the patients different? Yes, it seems like all earthlings, aliens have not been seen. Prices in the city? So I googled it, and I went nuts, for some items we pay for utilities more than in the capital. Yes, more than enough ideas. "Union to prostitutes, hemp addicts!"
                      14. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 06: 50 New
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                        That's right - justice. A person working for himself, taking, therefore, the entire measure of responsibility and risk for the success of the enterprise, should earn 20 times more than any employee who, thanks to his mental abilities, receives a salary)).
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                        A person working for himself, taking, thus, the entire measure of responsibility and risk for the success of the enterprise, must earn 20 times more than any employee who, thanks to his mental abilities, receives a salary)).

                        Agree to the wall to stand, subject to failure? laughing
                      16. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 13: 45 New
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                        It's easy - they just bang me in place laughing
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                        they just bang me in place

                        Well, dig a grave. laughing
                        But seriously, why is it you to appoint a salary twenty times more? If you consider yourself smarter than the rest twenty times, then let responsibility be as many times higher. For example, in bankruptcy, we select the entire salary for your handshake, leaving a living wage, and if not enough, then work it out. How's that prospect?
                      18. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 14: 05 New
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                        I definitely don’t need to give a spatula to my hands lol
                        I explain - if I muddied the business and the average salary of my employee is 40, then, with other expenses, my income should be 000 minimum)). In the event of bankruptcy, everything is taken away from me - without any cost of living - and you can take a bottle of vodka from your son when he has enough - for example, no more laughing
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                        I explain - if I muddied the business and the average salary of my employee is 40, then, with other expenses, my income should be at least 000

                        Is it painfully wise or something?
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        In the event of bankruptcy, everything is taken away from me - without any cost of living

                        Yeah, we know your Jewish poor songs. Brains do not need caulk.
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                        Tell me how the bankruptcy process goes.
                        And until 2015 he earned many times more - painfully smart - yeah laughing
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                        Tell me how the bankruptcy process goes.

                        Not my problem.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And until 2015 he earned many times more - painfully smart - yeah

                        And in the 90s I earned many times more, with the same locksmith as now. So what?
                      22. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 15: 23 New
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                        That's right - but if you don’t chop a chip - so why go to a nationality, etc.? )))
                        Although there is something to be proud of, the nation that I happily belong to, you better think about how to fix your personal situation, and not how to rob those who really bring jobs, taxes, etc. to this country.
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    Oh you and harmful
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    I just showed the person that “justice” is an ephemeral thing)).
  9. Mordvin 3 13 February 2020 14: 01 New
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    I just showed the person that “justice” is an ephemeral thing)).

    You didn’t answer a damn about nurses in different regions.
  10. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 14: 10 New
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    I can answer - so all over the world - plus or minus, but:
    1) You can always move to Moscow
    2) You can always move abroad
    3) Everyone makes a choice - water does not flow under a lying stone
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    You can always move to Moscow

    Bullshit. Well, if you find a groom from there, then yes, you can. Otherwise - on bird rights.
  12. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 14: 15 New
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    Uhhh
    The first principle of economics:
    If you want to get something, you have to refuse something. You cannot hope so that the state will decide everything for you - this was impossible even under the Union.
  13. Mordvin 3 13 February 2020 15: 08 New
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    If you want to get something, you have to refuse something.

    Can you refuse a mom? However, judging by Atalef, yes, probably.
  14. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 15: 27 New
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    From yours - easily))
    Then why whine if there are special circumstances? laughing
  15. Mordvin 3 13 February 2020 15: 39 New
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    when why whine if there are special circumstances?

    Laugh on, little fool.
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    I also have a very high opinion of your intellectual abilities. hi
  17. Mordvin 3 13 February 2020 15: 56 New
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    I also have a very high opinion of your intellectual abilities.

    I will tell you this. If you get into an accident and stay alive, do not be surprised if everyone turns away from you, and your children will share the inheritance with you. You deserve it.
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    Yes, everyone deserves the life that he has hi
  19. cradle 13 February 2020 02: 48 New
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    a lot will not be closed, especially the state. enterprises already 70%. So do not scare nuno. For large bribes lean against a warm wall. All this has long been worked out.
  20. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 03: 04 New
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    If you want to check it - go ahead
    We catch up with Albania in terms of living)).
  21. cradle 13 February 2020 11: 26 New
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    If you want to check it - go ahead
    We catch up with Albania in terms of living)).

    Not only Albania, but also Germany or the SGA, as was the case under the Union (and the store has passed quite a bit of time and progress is ongoing). Under the Union, you could buy an average of 100 liters per salary (on average). milk or 200 liters. benzyl. How much? Hardly so much (on average).
  22. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 13: 47 New
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    The union was very far from any Germany and the USA. Gasoline at the Union - after many years in the queue for a wretched Soviet-made car
  23. cradle 14 February 2020 06: 38 New
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    oh, well, just do not need to juggle. Immediately rushed about the deficit. Countries without printing money for the whole world went from 30s to 50s from agrarian to nuclear power, having survived the war with the whole Europe and rising from the ashes before this Europe itself. And give you a gorgeous car (by the way, the Zhiguli were not so miserable).
  24. Krasnodar 14 February 2020 10: 27 New
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    Yes, that’s not the point.
    Having the entire periodic table underfoot and the best school education in the world could become the best country in the world in terms of the standard of living of citizens. And do not sponsor any cannibal that has taken an "anti-imperialist" position
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    And let's count on sugar ...
    Moreover, we will consider 60 rubles minimum wage in the USSR ..... Up to one fifth of the country's population received it - all the younger staff, nurses, postmen, cleaners, club and library staff, and so on, on and on .....
    Weak ????!

    And then the ears take an average salary of 150 rubles
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    As a hangover - I answer ... not correctly. For sugar prices in the Russian Federation collapsed in connection with its epic production. laughing
  27. your1970 14 February 2020 13: 05 New
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    I do not like sugar - you can use sunflower oil, tea chocolate, lemonade, cigarettes ....
    Strongly not all the money was full
    Even Soviet cinema will confirm, if you carefully watch it ..
    “Office romance” remember? How, due to the 10 ruble increase in salary, Myagkov begins an affair with the boss ..... and he tries to take the whole film to pay for sandals for his son ... that is, he has nest egg in 10-15 rubles not even, he is not a drunk and everything in the house

    And this is not the only such film ... there were a lot of them in life - only nobody paid attention to it

    Love and pigeons - for 25 rubles for pigeons, the wife is ready to kill him. And when he offers to remove from the book for spending, she answers what did you put so that there was something to shoot?
    That is, a working man who does not drink too much, also has no money reserve ...
    And profucing 25 rubles - a hole in the family budget
  28. cradle 15 February 2020 02: 21 New
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    Well, why is it for 60 rubles? Where was such a salary paid? Being a student at a vocational school, I received a herd of 22 rubles. + in the second or third year s / n from 30 to 100 rubles. Depended on the object (they were very different). We must also take into account that in the second year there were 2 days a week of practice, in 3m - 3 three days. And they paid the birdies 88% of what they earned. Who wanted to EARN in the USSR, he earned. Who then did not want to, and now is full of such (if only for the day, until the evening). He himself was familiar with people, during the years of the USSR, without any north they had 400-500 rubles. s / n (workers). Well, yes, they plowed, but they did. Now it is possible too, but the possibilities have greatly narrowed among the population (working in the north, I can judge).
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    Who wanted to EARN in the USSR, he earned. Who then did not want to, and now is full of such (if only a day, until the evening).
    -I absolutely agree !!! The true truth !!! Who WANTED to make money and then who didn’t want to - he still sits and cries about the killed industry, lack of work, small salaries, and so on ... And in Soviet times, to make money- it was necessary to plow on black ....
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    maaaalenky addition- and I said it above ... the state gave, under the USSR, the opportunity to EARN. Now it takes more taxes, but distanced itself from giving OPPORTUNITY. I don’t need anything from the state, nor any handouts, but I want more opportunities for me and my children. I’ll earn it myself.
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    above ... the state gave, under the USSR, the opportunity to EARN.

    And here you are sooooo much cunning ...
    The USSR was extremely opposed to large earnings from the population — because they were mostly illegal. Yes, I agree that private tailors, furriers, tutors, hairdressers, car mechanics, and so on — but they all walked along the edge of the line drawn by the Criminal Code and controlled by the OBHSS ...
    And the shabashnikov, along with the chairmen for the construction of the cowsheds, even we planted, there were cases.
    Yes, and at the factories high-frequency specialists had big earnings — ordinary workers immediately raised the output .... it was allowed to overfulfill the plan by 5-10% - more questions about incorrect planning could already arise

    And then 1985 came and cooperatives- when the people turned around and rushed to cut the loot
  32. cradle 17 February 2020 12: 43 New
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    depending on what is considered big earnings ... For residents of the middle zone, 250 p. there was money. In the north and 1000 p. not really ... But to all: tailors, furriers, tutors, hairdressers, car mechanics, there was the right attitude, like people who had unreasonably inflated prices for their services.
    "And the shabashnikov, along with the chairmen for the construction of the cowsheds, even we planted, there were cases."
    What do you want? When the chairman took 50000 p. from the collective farm, and to the co-workers for work of 30000 p. pay 40000 (everything is conditional), then what’s it called? Praaaalno-theft of socialist property ... For 10000 forehead would not have been smeared with green stuff, but provided free food for a long time. Everything is logical. Or do you call it DO NOT LET TO EARN? Which of us is disingenuous? I then write about honest earnings, not earnings at any cost. An honest hard worker slept calmly. We have a slight difference in age - 71 years. I remember normally what earnings were in the USSR, and how.
  33. your1970 17 February 2020 15: 05 New
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    An honest hard worker ish who can earn money - but on condition of many “ifs.” In my area there were no large factories and other things, so the average salary was at a level of 120 rubles.
    Yes, there was sowing and harvesting - where it was possible to earn up to 1,5-2 thousand in almost 2 weeks. The collective farms had advanced workers who also earned a lot, but they were countless.
    I figured it now, honestly earning a lot of money (from 200 rubles) in our area, God forbid if there were 500 people.
    All the rest are semi legal or even crooks. All ...

    If you own cattle at a meat factory, then either stolen grain or leftist with bread / waste .. we discussed about crafts ...
    . And so completely in the district, well, we didn’t have particularly bread places
    Even the bosses who worked honestly (for example, my father) received 200-220
  34. Rey_ka 13 February 2020 13: 40 New
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    What is luxury? heating and hot water in the faucet well and to the heap sewage ...
  35. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 13: 47 New
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    6th Iphone))))
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    Is that you about yourself?
  37. Krasnodar 13 February 2020 07: 33 New
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    Not. This is me about Albania. The country is like that. From Enver Hoxha to Europe's top cocaine consumption fellow
  • Mordvin 3 12 February 2020 21: 35 New
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    Legal euthanasia in Switzerland - 3500 €

    It hurts a lot. Is it cheaper in any way? Well, the air into a vein, whining in the forehead, the ax fell on the neck ...
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      To do this, it is not necessary to go to Switzerland))
      1. Mordvin 3 12 February 2020 22: 07 New
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        To do this, it is not necessary to go to Switzerland))

        And we have an article ... crying They’ll get the word ...
        1. Krasnodar 12 February 2020 22: 11 New
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          Here, by the decision of the consultation of the patient, they can enter into an artificial coma. In malignant tumors, at an advanced stage, organs affected by metastases fail and the person dies without pain. The question is how much this is practiced.
          1. Mordvin 3 12 February 2020 22: 15 New
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            The question is how much this is practiced.

            Not at all. I judge by my region. One friend’s father was sent to a hospital in Tula, he died there in the corridor (there are no seats, only paid), the other was brought home to die (they said so in a “secret”, do not spoil our statistics, he is not a tenant anyway). am
            1. Krasnodar 12 February 2020 22: 37 New
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              I know such cases - I have a woman in Israel treated. So they told her children in a Moscow institution - why did you put her here? Here's a prescription for painkillers, take her home.
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    And what is so intolerant? I propose to expand the range of services: men and animals ....
  • Alf
    Alf 12 February 2020 21: 15 New
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    It is pointless to fight it; it is better to take it under legal control.

    Then let's legalize drugs.
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      Then let's legalize drugs.

      Then let's take over all the historical world experience. It’s just to drop all the imbitsiles from the rocks ...
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        Professors from the cliff? wassat
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          Professors from the cliff? wassat

          Which of them? There is still sometimes a professor from the chosen ones also shows a blatant stupid ... uh ... incongruity.
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    Armata and the fifth generation of the aircraft - this is our long-playing, complex absurdity with you)))

    And she wouldn’t be there if they hadn’t shouted before that “they have no analogues, but the adversary has everything ... so-so.” Mistakes and failures happen to everyone. There is nothing to worry about. But yelling about failed victories and achievements is bad. Highly.
    1. Revival 12 February 2020 21: 56 New
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      Exactly. It is the boasts ahead of time that give reason to laugh and poke then
  • Livonetc 12 February 2020 17: 44 New
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    Discuss / criticize this one.
    And make fun of.
    So the fool finger show will laugh.
    Well, sophisticated gentlemen, counting on the reaction of fools, creatures have long been known.
    There is nothing new under the sun.
  • Tomich3 12 February 2020 17: 44 New
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    “In this way, Russians are trying to convince that even those areas of the Russian state’s policy that one could be proud of are as hopeless as their economic and social policies”
    Is that not so? What is the habit of calling everyone "liberals" if you do not understand the meaning of this word?
    What to be proud of? So the salary in AFRICA is higher than Russian?
    But “Armata” and Su-57 are still not in the series, although they have been showing since 2015 at the Victory Parade?
    Enough of these stories for fools. When the Russian Federation buys shares of Sberbank for almost the space amount from the Central Bank!
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      Salary, Africa, Sberbank .... you can be proud, you are not a liberal, you are a flooder.
      1. Dangerous 12 February 2020 18: 54 New
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        Forgot to add the magic word "diapers", worthless hurray patriot without him
        1. Dart2027 12 February 2020 19: 27 New
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          Quote: Dangerous
          Forgot to add magic

          "Putin leaked," worthless to a "patriot" without him.
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            Quote: Dart2027
            Quote: Dangerous
            Forgot to add magic

            "Putin leaked," worthless to a "patriot" without him.

            And what is this not true? After all, he leaked it more than once.
            Do you want examples? - I have them!
            Nearly 43 million Russian pensioners - leaked. He repeatedly said that they would not raise the retirement age while he worked as president, tirelessly, and then asked "to be understanding"request
            I understand that a little off topic, but as an example - it will. More tales of the Vienna Woods were about many millions of high-tech jobs, I remember ...
            So, he leaked, and more than once wink
            1. Dart2027 12 February 2020 20: 56 New
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              Nearly 43 million Russian pensioners - leaked

              20 years ago, our country found itself in a deep demographic pit. This means that now we have a catastrophic shortage of workers. GG may be at least Putin, but not Putin, but this fact will not go anywhere and he has to do something about it and look for it. For reference, the entire population of Russia is about 144,5 million.
              1. Dude 12 February 2020 21: 10 New
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                Quote: Dart2027
                Quote: Dude
                Nearly 43 million Russian pensioners - leaked

                20 years ago, our country found itself in a deep demographic pit. This means that now we have a catastrophic shortage of workers. GG may be at least Putin, but not Putin, but this fact will not go anywhere and he has to do something about it and look for it. For reference, the entire population of Russia is about 144,5 million.

                So, it was necessary to talk about it, to convince people of the need for this step. Instead, there were, as it turned out, false populist statements.
                The boy who shouted "Wolves!" also, in the end, did not believe it. And he is not a boy, he is the President of a huge country. And by the way, where are the jobs? Also the demographic pit is to blame?
                If this was impossible to fulfill, why was it necessary to promise?
                You tell me more about the need to attract migrants, I will listen wassat
                There is no trust (personally for me, for example) to this person, so do not demand, but I judge by the fact that his words diverge from the deed.
                1. Dart2027 13 February 2020 06: 33 New
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                  Quote: Dude
                  You tell me more about the need to attract migrants, I will listen

                  It was made in Europe. There are also problems with demographics, and at first the Europeans expected to solve their problems in this way, and then the USA joined and the mess began.
                  Quote: Dude
                  So, it was necessary to talk about it, to convince people of the need for this step.

                  I doubt that something would come of this.
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                    It was made in Europe. There are also problems with demography, and at first the Europeans expected to solve their problems in this way
                    IMHO, it was originally an idiotic idea.
                    I doubt that something would come of this.
                    That is, you want to say that the way it was done in reality is better?what
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                      that the way it was done in reality is better

                      I don’t think it could be “better” at all. Life is a series of compromises and often you have to choose from two evils, moreover, equivalent ones.
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                Quote: Dart2027
                This means that now we have a catastrophic shortage of workers.

                Where is missing and who is missing? Specifically.
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                  Where is missing and whom

                  The percentage of the unemployed to the working-age population rises.
              3. Revival 12 February 2020 21: 59 New
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                When he stated that until the president raises the age, the factor you are talking about has already been, so such an excuse for violating this word does not fit
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                Shortage of workers can be solved in different ways, for example, robotization of technological operations where possible.
                What we have done is to recreate the elements of serfdom (here are the “grandfathers” and St. George’s Day).
                And I would like to know if this is not state secrets, where in the vastness of our homeland, workers (and not slavish) hands were desperately needed.
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                  Quote: Marine engineer
                  Shortage of workers can be solved in different ways, for example, robotization of technological operations where possible.

                  Do we have such technologies? The backlog in this area began in the USSR.
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              Sergey, when Crimea was taken, were pleased ...
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                Sergey, when Crimea was taken, were pleased ...

                What does Crimea have to do with ?! Calm down, dear, he has never been Ukrainian, he was, is, and will be Russian. Relax bully.
    2. Plantagenet 12 February 2020 18: 27 New
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      "The Russian army was led by Adjutant General Prince Alexander Sergeyevich Menshikov, who is still considered one of the main culprits for the unsuccessful outcome of the Crimean campaign.
      In the battle of Alma, under the command of Menshikov, was Lieutenant General Vasily Kiryakov, who commanded the 17th Infantry Division.

      Having received the order of Menshikov on disposition, accompanied by a demand to meet the attacking enemy on an ascent uphill with frontal fire, he answered: “Do not worry, Your Excellency. We’ll throw the enemy’s caps. ”

      Historians claim that Kiryakov was not the inventor of the expression, and it has been known at least since the Time of Troubles. But it was the defeat in Crimea that gave the concept of "hatred" a stable negative color. "
    3. lucul 12 February 2020 20: 18 New
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      What to be proud of? So the salary in AFRICA is higher than Russian?

      And what, under the USSR, was it different?
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        And what, under the USSR, was it different?

        And can you voice the average salary in Africa, well, say in the 80th year?
      2. Revival 12 February 2020 22: 01 New
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        Yes, it was different, they didn’t equal Africa, but now it’s quite
    4. olafcik 13 February 2020 20: 29 New
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      The fact that the Central Bank is obliged to transfer this amount to the budget was not told to you, but it was said to howl and resent.
  • ushakorv 12 February 2020 17: 45 New
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    Daaaaa "Wimps bark - Kalavan is coming." And where it goes) Sits somewhere the same scribbler and writes How in the Russian Federation they make fun of Abrams, Zamvolt and so on. Everything is simpler. What they want to read is what they write)))
    1. vvvjak 12 February 2020 19: 31 New
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      Quote: ushakorv
      Daaaaa "Wimps bark - Kalavan is coming." And where it goes) Sits somewhere the same scribbler and writes How in the Russian Federation they make fun of Abrams, Zamvolt and so on. Everything is simpler. What they want to read is what they write)))

      Well, about the "weaklings" the typo turned out because I’m on the phone, but I’m looking at the case (albeit by accident). I’m sitting such a “scribbler” in Belarus and I read more than I write comments. I wish you also read a couple of articles about weapons, before the labels "rivet."
  • Leha667 12 February 2020 17: 47 New
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    We also have some kind of continuous slogans.
    And healthy criticism is equated with the machinations of liberals and is perceived with hostility .. However, we all know that to acknowledge our mistakes and correct them is the destiny of only strong personalities.
    For some reason, our state does not recognize obvious mistakes and does not try to correct them.
    This leads to a completely logical conclusion.
    About the list of criticized weapons.
    Kuznetsov is a really bad aircraft carrier. But better than none.
    Armata is more likely a pre-production result of long R&D, and it will not go into series soon.
    Well, the su-57 flies normally. Even flies well. And the new engine will fly even better.
    In general, the problem was initially different. About her, the cat Matroskin in the cartoon spoke.
    1. Dima_Anlim 12 February 2020 22: 38 New
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      The problem is that in modern Russia they run ahead of a steam locomotive. For the sake of temporary hype, PR, domestic political points, officials like Rogozin and others carry out fraud and bragging. Bragging about what else. And who forced President Putin to drive a tank (T-5 Armata) at parades for 14 years in a row, praising it in every way, but which they haven’t taken into service and haven’t even launched into the series, because it’s not ready at all !? And so with many weapons and the same space. From here the result is a laughing stock from the West and disappointment from its citizens.
  • shoroh 12 February 2020 17: 47 New
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    On the model aircraft carrier, the marine version of the su-47? It is interesting! And if you immediately make the marine version of the su-57, and even with CBS .... oh, dreams ...)
    1. Crystal of Truth 13 February 2020 06: 06 New
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      Model will do
  • Kontuzia 12 February 2020 17: 48 New
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    The second is mocking or “debunking”: Russia is presented as a poor state, incapable of introducing new technologies, and its army - as armed with obsolete weapons, incapable

    Unfortunately, there are more and more of these in "our media", but the most interesting is not openly open yet, but somehow with a poke, dripping a drop of poison especially into the souls of our youth ... That’s scary ..
    They want to destroy us completely from the inside .. They didn’t finish us off after the collapse of the USSR, they’re howling .. But it’s too late, Russia unexpectedly for the West managed to rearm more or less and is still ahead.
    1. Terenin 12 February 2020 18: 46 New
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      Quote: Kontuzia
      .And already late, Russia unexpectedly for the West managed to rearm more or less and is still to come.

      That's right, they still ... like them winked drinks
    2. RVAPatriot 12 February 2020 22: 30 New
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      Let them drip, the time will come, they will sing praises !!!! such a nature
  • Tusv 12 February 2020 17: 49 New
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    - And I have. And you. And now I’ll pile on you all.
    Well, the main thing in the den is fear
  • Ros 56 12 February 2020 17: 50 New
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    Dear, you know no worse than me that the one who laughs last is laughing. They (zapadentsy) always begin, and we always end and laugh at the wretched, although it is a sin to laugh at sick people, though some of them are not people at all. I think so.
    1. Gardamir 12 February 2020 19: 46 New
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      we always finish
      Yes, there were traitors at the top, Kurbsky or Tukhachevsky. But so that all those in power look with lust for the West ...
    2. Ros 56 13 February 2020 06: 30 New
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      I turn to nerds minusers, minus one, so explain your position, and do not be rats, idiots. fool
  • Amateur 12 February 2020 17: 51 New
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    “Do not swim, so take off. Russia's military power is at the bottom, but we will scare NATO all the same! ”Is another article in the same publication. Julia Latynina, to whom this material belongs

    Chief specialist on meteorites Latynina at one time
    noted that she "generally needs to be silent in a rag," discussing the question of why the meteorite was noticed so late. The journalist admitted that she hastened to conclusions. According to her, when detailed information about what happened appeared, it became clear that her suspicions were "absolute nonsense."
    “When a person has paranoia, he has logical confirmation of this paranoia. It is absolutely amazing that, as soon as it arises, paranoia is terribly logical. Life differs from paranoia in that it is illogical, ”Latynina concluded.

    Well, apologize again.
    The girl from the category "Drink in the eyes - still God's dew"
  • AleBors 12 February 2020 17: 54 New
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    They make noise ... And let them make noise. You just need to continue to make armature and Su 57 and everything else. It is necessary ... But the noise will still be. People on a paycheck.
  • Constanty 12 February 2020 17: 59 New
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    It is known that politics and propaganda are at stake (on both sides), however, although the development of a 5th generation aircraft is a long-term process, but in the case of a tank, infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier, there is such a long period of time between display (at first glance, an exquisite design ) a introduction to production makes you think and reflect.

    In the case of Kuzniecowa, this is probably the worst, because it actually looks bad.
  • SAG
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    Captain's article is obvious. Nothing new.
  • sagitch 12 February 2020 18: 19 New
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    Hikely-Likely, not otherwise.
  • Jcvai 12 February 2020 18: 21 New
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    But we do have electronic warfare, under the influence of which the NATO military changes orientation!
    Well, what a scope for generating news headlines! :)))

    based on the news "F-22 and F-35 ran into" Krasuha-4 "and broke":
    Reports by the US military have been published stating that Russian electronic warfare systems located in Syria have seriously damaged two American fighters, the F-22 and the F-35. As a result of the energy impact on the aircraft, the pilots lost their orientation and with great difficulty returned to the base
  • Cowbra 12 February 2020 18: 30 New
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    Yes, this has long been understood. The only thing that is bad, real analytics is simply impossible now. a potential assessment of capabilities, for example, KAZ Armata, is instantly washed by flying “commentators” with a cookie in their teeth. A "white noise" is created in which the real grain is simply lost.
    Moreover, this is so in VO. An example is even simpler - not about our defense industry. Just doubt that any arbitrary creation of the Mask is not without flaws. ALL! The conversation is over, the sect flies up, and shaking the icon of the addict will carry crap. And normally in comments often things slip even more interesting than in articles
  • Mathafaka 12 February 2020 18: 36 New
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    Such a reaction is directly proportional to analogue propaganda.
    In 2015, they talked about 2300 Armat tanks, now they are promoting the absolute superiority of the Su 57.
  • dgonni 12 February 2020 18: 40 New
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    The largest adverts to the Russian military-industrial complex are not given by the magazine, but officials from the military-industrial complex. How can the alleged buyer of equipment relate to the saying that there is no engine for the armata, and the project for dvigla is closed. If 5 years ago they blew their trumpets and drummed, what will 5+ be in the army in 1000 years?
  • cherkas.oe 12 February 2020 18: 41 New
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    If we did not give reasons, then we could be indignant. And when at the factory tests a car crashes, which flew for ten years, including in the mode from which it fell and crashed, thank God that there were no casualties, the tank in the PARADE got up, not with an experimental engine, but with which it was not only , the only aircraft carrier went on the first combat campaign against an enemy without coastal defense, etc. lost two fighters and returned to the wall to the limit, smoking like Aunt Sonya’s last primus from Odessa, who is guilty of being laughed at and mocked at and still think of something that isn’t ?. As one adventurer said: - "Do not slap your ears on the cheeks"? and they won’t laugh at you.
    1. anjey 12 February 2020 19: 04 New
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      I wonder at you how anyone can break a leg, God forbid you laughing So any technique breaks down, all the more new types with possible flaws, so we’ll understand our enemies and ridicule our enemies, otherwise laughing
    2. sevryuk 12 February 2020 19: 07 New
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      Che there with polymers?
      1. cherkas.oe 12 February 2020 19: 44 New
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        Quote: sevryuk
        Che there with polymers?

        It’s not about polymers, but about people like you. You were too lazy to properly formulate the question or were afraid to be branded as incompetent, and therefore applied the template as old and smelly like shit of a mammoth. So in the cases I listed, someone was too lazy to check mounts, drives, stabilizer chains once again, someone was too lazy to carry out high-quality preventive maintenance of the engine on the tank, and someone was frightened to tell the authorities that the aircraft carrier was not ready for the campaign and there could be reputational consequences.
    3. RVAPatriot 12 February 2020 22: 33 New
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      maybe it’s just fine-tuning, it never occurred to you ???
      1. cherkas.oe 12 February 2020 23: 00 New
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        maybe it’s just fine-tuning,

        Debugging, after the car went into production, (and it was already a production car) are carried out at flying laboratories specifically for this purpose.
    4. Dima_Anlim 12 February 2020 22: 34 New
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      Surprisingly, local urakryakalki did not throw you a hundred minuses ....
  • Lamata 12 February 2020 18: 51 New
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    Is this Tatyana a military expert? although with kuzey it’s not beautiful with us.
  • anjey 12 February 2020 18: 58 New
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    But some of the US Army’s Oshkosh MRAPs were stuck in the mud - stuck in loose soil.
    The theme previously revealed "superiority" in relation to new US technology laughing
  • Sergey Averchenkov 12 February 2020 19: 03 New
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    Somewhere I heard a joke - if you scare Russia, it starts to spoil tanks. :)
    Let them come and try, but actually they are mongrels and no one else.
  • tralmaster 12 February 2020 19: 06 New
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    And what else should they do but not bark. FU-35 so flies that clouds are afraid. With hypersound, too, full of crap. The last aircraft carrier is also unclear when it goes into operation and how many lards still need to be invested. Well, everything is fine with them.
  • bk316 12 February 2020 19: 07 New
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    What is the point of writing about the Latin-pathological Russophobia, the bestial anti-communist and the American bastard? The people should be able to weed out those and those who for some reason are called cheers-patriots, although they have no relation to patriots.
    1. Lamata 12 February 2020 19: 37 New
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      The feeling is that Latynina was irradiated, or they are fed LSD.
    2. Astra wild 12 February 2020 21: 00 New
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      I agree and disagree with you: 1 Latynina proved herself to be an Americanophile and thank you for that, we will know what she is.
      2. It is necessary to write so that people know what it is.
      Regarding patriotism. Hooray - patriots are small children: they need something to admire, no matter what. But masochism is also not related to patriotism ..
      1. Lamata 12 February 2020 22: 27 New
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        Support.
  • for
    for 12 February 2020 19: 07 New
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    Or he can stop all the news and discussions of all of them, until they repair and bring it to mind.
    1. Astra wild 12 February 2020 21: 04 New
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      What then says, about Ukraine already tired
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      Quote: for
      Or he can stop all the news and discussions of all of them, until they repair and bring it to mind.

      Do you offer to close VO?
  • Sibguest 12 February 2020 19: 11 New
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    Pugs (west) yapping - Bear (Russia) quietly eats raspberries.
    1. Lamata 12 February 2020 19: 39 New
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      No, Mishka sometimes, for the sake of order, explodes. I have a momed in the country, a prosperous man, he lived in Kenya for 2 years, learned how to make a lion's roar, he personally saw how he roared, so the dogs didn’t dig into the ground. So are some comrades from Novonatovtsy.
      1. RVAPatriot 12 February 2020 22: 34 New
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        Do you propose creating a new kind of troops ???
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          riding on brown bears - fearing strength will be.
  • rocket757 12 February 2020 19: 27 New
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    The average person is scared / amused, depending on what they want.
    Those who are supposed to, are well informed and are in a state of fright / concern, depending on the level of access to operational information.
    What do we need? Do not stop there, or they may ... rather try, take a chance.
  • Nikolai Korovin 12 February 2020 19: 56 New
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    You can’t put a scarf on every mouth. But something got divorced a lot of such companies on which to throw a scarf on all the same would not hurt.
  • Astra wild 12 February 2020 20: 42 New
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    There is such a proverb: “where does the horse with the hoof go and cancer with the claw” so are our liberals.
    Their fathers in 60-70gg were fading away from everything western and tried to undermine our state. They raised their children in hatred of our history.
    It seems to me that they and we are moving on parallel tracks, we are slow and creaky, but we are moving forward, but they do not want to go forward and are in every way interfering. Anyway, the train departs from the station and gradually picks up speed, but they don’t like it and they begin to scold: the driver is drunk, the cars are not so painted and so on.
    Unfortunately, such spiteful critics are also on our site. Okay, let them yap, we have freedom of speech, but I don’t understand why some authors are pumping chernukha?
  • iouris 12 February 2020 21: 04 New
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    It’s not good to laugh ... And by the way, did the dock come up?
  • Vladimir Mashkov 12 February 2020 21: 24 New
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    NORMAL people always distinguish where benevolent criticism serves to improve matters and eliminate shortcomings, where is stupid criticism, and where are enemy malicious fabrications. And, accordingly, who does it. You need to react to criticism, laugh at fools, and fight against enemies. yes
  • Sergo go 12 February 2020 21: 44 New
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    Or maybe turn on your head, at least try. Kuznetsov - a rusty singed trough, an armata is a project from the USSR that cannot be implemented in any way. Su 57 is also a modification of the old Soviet aircraft, consisting of imported parts. Everything is practically a fake, which propaganda inspires us from the TV screen. Unfortunately
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      These are the alarmists and stir up the water. Chef mustache is gone. Ugh!
  • BAI
    BAI 12 February 2020 21: 57 New
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    If not for a series of shameful failures, they would all be silent. But since we now see, indeed, only failures, the terms for adoption are constantly shifting, there are no results, then the liberals are objectively right. They have nothing to argue.
  • DWG1905 12 February 2020 22: 19 New
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    They did it themselves, there was no need to beat the drums until they were finished. And to wait for the adversary to pretend not to notice this, one must be extremely naive. This is the first, second if in technical solutions more than 40% of the new kirdyk is a long and painful process of completion. I have been engaged in research and development for more than 30 years, in various forms. There are practically no techies in power, they are hanging noodles on their ears, so they naive and broadcast. Sadly all this remains to be wiped. Under Soviet rule, we had underdeveloped engineering, to be honest. And now, in general, at the level of statistical error. The primary problem is not completed industrialization. At one time, we barely overcame the first stage of becoming a country of a manufacturing machine and, to a certain extent, manufacturing factories for the production of machines, and the next frontier was the production of factories for the production of plants for the production of machines. Ponder this moment. In 1977, I was also a teacher in special technologies at a vocational school. I think they’ll finish the Su-57, it’s not fast, of course, it is not a significant technological leap, all the problems of an organizational and production nature, whether it will give an increase in combat effectiveness are difficult to say, the answer can only be given by real combat use. But I think they got with Armata, this is a change of concept. The most troubled question is the inability of the crew to use weapons in the event of an electronics failure, if you change the gun it can be an amplification tank, but not the main workhorse like the T-54, 55, 62, 72 (T-64 did not intentionally mention). What MBT should look like, now it’s not clear, again to wash boots (tracks) to Lamanche or in the Indian Ocean, with whom to fight and where? The appearance depends on the answer to these questions. We must score and work on the machinations of enemies, at the age of 30 they also laughed at us, our tanks were called cardboard. And the Kuzyu must probably be repaired, let it be, although we cannot pull the fleet and ground forces together.
    1. remal 13 February 2020 00: 35 New
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      It’s strange with Armata that she’s stuck. Damage to the engine, or gearbox, in a completely new car is a common thing, but in 2015 it was time to make tanks with electric traction, at least auxiliary. So that when the engine fails, the tank does not freeze. There they would increase the caliber and completely remove the crew. Make a drum for shells under the tower on the basis of the T-15, and it will be fine.

      "Kuznetsov" can be used as a helicopter carrier, it will be no worse than the liberals blessed by Mistral. There are already helicopters for it, only a little filling in the ship. It is possible to launch the Okhotnik-B from it, but landing on an aircraft carrier, all the more so small, is the most difficult task, including for the drone, it takes a long time, and the game is not worth the candle, if only for 1 aircraft carrier, without export.

      Su-57 is not impressive. The 5th generation airplane is a radar, engine, stealth technology. It’s good that there is a project that draws the development of all these components.
  • RVAPatriot 12 February 2020 22: 25 New
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  • Dima_Anlim 12 February 2020 22: 29 New
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    Even the model airplanes on the deck on the Avik model are in different colors. Are they human, each for a certain weather?)))) Or black fly current at night, gray only in fog, green only over the shore in summer ....?))))) Was it difficult to color one color?) What kind of kaleidoscope circus then))
    1. rudolff 12 February 2020 22: 52 New
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      Just collected all the models that were left from previous shows. Including Su-47 Golden Eagle, it is black in metal. Once they thought of making a deck out of it.
  • Cyrus 12 February 2020 22: 30 New
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    Knots yapping, the caravan goes
  • Zabvo 12 February 2020 22: 37 New
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    It would be funny if it was not so sad ... In fact, what do we have? TAKR which is just 0, as a combat unit. Su-57 which was supposed to be the day before yesterday in the aviation regiments. T-14 which apart from the parade is not where. And don’t say “there is no money”, for houses in London there is, for the kids on the new Bentley there is, everything is there, only no one needs us except us.
  • deniska.37 12 February 2020 23: 04 New
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    The expert on the expert and the expert drives. Although 90 percent of technology experts saw only in the picture.
  • Finn 12 February 2020 23: 13 New
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    Tanya and Julia wrote. Earn as they can. Guys are better. Although, they could have met men too, they would have given money.
  • honest people 13 February 2020 04: 54 New
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    maybe it’s just fine-tuning, it never occurred to you ???

    Where is it at Lakhti?
  • Astra wild 13 February 2020 07: 48 New
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    we always finish
    Yes, there were traitors at the top, Kurbsky or Tukhachevsky. But so that all those in power look with lust for the West ...

    Tukhachevsky was exposed, and how many hidden remained? Martirosyan has many examples of this.
  • Maks1995 13 February 2020 08: 55 New
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    You might think that Urya-media did not make fun of Western technology.
    Well, that only about F35, Abrams and aircraft carriers did not write.

    Life is everyday.
  • Nike 13 February 2020 10: 30 New
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    Everything is correct. “Not a“ gop “not jumping over”, but shouting, and then after a nnnn number of years, releasing a prototype which is another ten years in the revisions, you should not expect otherwise
  • Po-tzan 13 February 2020 11: 15 New
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    the Su-57 plane, the Armata tank, as well as the repaired aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, turned into objects of ridicule for the Western media.

    plagued by vices such as hazing and corruption


    People, drowning our only floating ship of this size and dropping a crane onto Kuznetsov’s deck (which, before that, dug up to Syria, drowned two planes there and somehow hobbled back - State Department agents?

    Shamsudinov - an agent of the State Department?

    Container Serdyukova loot MO did not steal?

    Where is the SU-57 engine?

    Why Armata was left without an engine? https://lenta.ru/news/2020/02/06/t14/

    In the summary, I’ll say that I read the media in English and didn’t notice something like that, which the author writes about. On the contrary, if such a phenomenon is in the media, then it is expressed in ours in the incredible itching and overthrow of the idiots from the F-35 (which, of course, is unspiritual, incapable, and we will tear it up).
    1. remal 13 February 2020 11: 39 New
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      Kuznetsov swam, bombed, and returned. There are no problems with this absolutely. Aircraft, and to hell with them, it is better to drown a couple than to keep them for 20 years in hangars, while they are dilapidated. What he smoked, so he smoked for 30 years, there is a boiler because it may not be in perfect condition, but in working condition. In terms of global media, this is only a plus. Everyone wrote and showed the Russian aircraft carrier, but before that no one knew what it was in principle. The USSR launched a program to build nuclear and dozens of non-nuclear aircraft carriers, but no one saw them, and then they sailed once, smoked, and the whole of Britain was in a panic, liberals were hysterical, then the leadership should calmly assess the situation and make plans, and not react to “criticism,” which is why all the problems started.
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        Basically, we Kuzey raised a laugh
        1. remal 13 February 2020 14: 01 New
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          For some reason, “we” is understood to be a little humming from the liberal camp. He sailed successfully, but these same ones dumped him. And now I would not hurt by the way, as a deterrent to Turkey and Israel.