The fate of the sixth generation SCAF European fighter program in the hands of the Bundestag


The first R&T research and development contract (research and development) is part of the SCAF European fighter program, whose characteristics are superior to those of its fifth-generation competitors. Therefore, a number of experts attribute it to the sixth generation. SCAF stands for Offensive Air System of the Future.


The R&T contract was concluded between representatives of Germany and France in December last year. Its value is 155 million euros, which Berlin and Paris will have to invest in equal shares. It is the first stage of the SCAF project.

The project of creating a “fighter of the future”, figuratively speaking, is now on the runway and is ready for launch. But whether this start will take place today depends entirely on the German Bundestag. There will be a vote on February 12, which should approve or reject Germany’s participation in the project. Paradoxically, there is a danger that the parliament of a country considered the leader of Europe could disrupt an important defense program, vital for European sovereignty.

It is difficult to say what decision the Bundestag will take, so the intrigue will remain until the very moment of voting. But there is another factor of uncertainty - the German government. After all, if it is decided there that ratification of the contract for the 6th generation fighter will lead to budget overruns, then it will be removed from the agenda.

It is possible that the intrigues surrounding the contract are related to intra-German political games, and absolutely nothing threatens the fate of the fighter project.

The preparatory work preceding the conclusion of the contract, Germany and France conducted in an atmosphere of complete mutual understanding and broad government support in both countries.

The implementation of the research and development contract is designed for a year and a half and concerns the aircraft, its engine, unmanned aerial vehicles and some other components of the SCAF program, but so far does not include sensors and stealth.

The full completion of the program is tentatively designed for the year 2035-2040. It involves the creation of an inconspicuous multi-functional fighter generation 5+ (or 6). It is designed to gain air supremacy and strike against ground targets. In the future, he will replace the French aircraft Dassault Rafale and the joint European development of Eurofighter Typhoon.

But the program is not limited to plans for the creation of an ultramodern fighter of the latest generation. It also involves the development of unmanned aerial vehicles, as well as control and guidance systems. The SCAF program is called the "system of systems", which, according to the calculations of its creators, will have to play a leading role in ensuring pan-European security.
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  1. Professor Preobrazhensky 11 February 2020 20: 42 New
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    On the left in the photo, under the right wing - with a chic figure the blonde is walking love
    1. lucul 11 February 2020 20: 55 New
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      On the left in the photo, under the right wing - with a chic figure the blonde is walking

      First thing
      the first thing is airplanes ......))))
      1. Cowbra 11 February 2020 21: 05 New
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        The plane in the photo is already damaged - it is a mockup. So I do not see obstacles)))
        First of all, we spoil the planes ... Well, the girls and the girls later)))
        1. Range 11 February 2020 22: 06 New
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          The full completion of the program is tentatively designed for the year 2035-2040.


          And there you look, or the padish will flip the flippers, or the donkey will die.
    2. cherkas.oe 11 February 2020 21: 42 New
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      Quote: Professor Preobrazhensky
      with a gorgeous figure the blonde is walking

      Indeed - let's better talk about women, or science fiction is already sick of it, then Anglo-Saxons with their super-duper, then pin-up with their SOI, today there are enough horror stories on laughing
    3. going to Toyota 12 February 2020 09: 54 New
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      and if it’s Macron’s wife, then what?
  2. Magic archer 11 February 2020 20: 43 New
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    This is weird. Europe did not create the fifth full generation and immediately swung at the sixth !? And what are the requirements for it?
    1. Runoway 11 February 2020 20: 46 New
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      But it’s strange for me that the states have sucked in the F-35 as much as possible, and Merkel, with her deplorable tornadoes, has still not succumbed
      1. Whalebone 11 February 2020 21: 22 New
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        Why strange? The Germans count their money. Who are they going to fight in the air with? Their task, if something serious happened - land operations. Fleet and aviation - from other partners in the alliance. Division of labor.
      2. Tusv 11 February 2020 22: 29 New
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        Quote: Runoway
        And for me it’s strange that the states brought in the F-35 to whom only

        Why vtyuhali. Honestly offered. Raptor is not for sale, too secret. But we will make a workhorse in exchange for a falcon for your money
      3. voyaka uh 11 February 2020 22: 57 New
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        "it’s strange for me that the states brought in the F-35 as much as possible, but Merkel, .." ////
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        What is so strange? In Germany, the Typhoon-Eurofighter assembly plant.
        If you purchase F-35, the plant will close. And it employs thousands of workers, technicians,
        engineers. Where to put them?
        1. Liam 12 February 2020 00: 38 New
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          What is so strange? In Germany, the Typhoon-Eurofighter assembly plant.
          If you purchase F-35, the plant will close. And it employs thousands of workers, technicians,
          engineers. Where to put them?

          Typhoon assembly plants are located in all 4 countries participating in the project - in the World Bank, Germany, Italy and Spain. In Italy, in particular, the final assembly plant is located in Caselle Torinese. This did not stop either Italy or England from buying the F-35
          1. Liam 12 February 2020 01: 02 New
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            In England, the final assembly plant is located in Warton. In Spain, in Getafe.
    2. dauria 11 February 2020 20: 57 New
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      And what are the requirements for it?


      A scheme has already emerged - a bunch of relatively cheap stealth drones on a tactical leash of command-attack aircraft in the air. So it’s more real to work against serious air defense.
      It is doubtful that they will pull financially. The US will share the market with the Chinese. But only for themselves - they will remain without pants. The burghers and the French will not forgive if they are left without sausages ..
      1. Sky strike fighter 11 February 2020 21: 27 New
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        A scheme has already emerged - a bunch of relatively cheap stealth drones on a tactical leash of command-attack aircraft in the air. So it’s more real to work against serious air defense

        Well this is 5, from the strength of the 5+ generation. Something similar is emerging here. The same is the tandem of the Su-57 and the Hunter S-70.
        But what about the speed? It seems like the Mig-41 should be a 6th generation aircraft. A new engine is needed.
        MiG-31 is objectively the fastest fighter of our time. One of its modifications - MiG-31BM - is capable of accelerating to 3400 km / h. Russian experts talk about the possibility of increasing speed to 7000 km / h.
        Read more at https://military.pravda.ru/news/1473517-mig_31/
      2. Tusv 11 February 2020 22: 17 New
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        Quote: dauria
        A scheme has already emerged - a bunch of relatively cheap stealth drones on a tactical leash of command-attack aircraft in the air. So it’s more real to work against serious air defense.

        The air defense system of the Russian Federation is not only ground-based systems, but also Migi -31, Sushki, A-50. And the Mig-31 is a very long air defense arm. In general, simple, not so simple. Command aircraft must be somewhere at a distance of 500 -1000 km in order to feel calm
        1. dauria 11 February 2020 22: 24 New
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          Command aircraft must be somewhere at a distance of 500 -1000 km in order to feel calm


          Not necessary. In battle formations. Maybe a little behind. "Dogs" are separated in height. And part of the "dogs" with teeth in the form of air-to-air missiles. EPR is small, against the background of the earth, and even less. And it doesn’t matter who gives them the “face” command. In any case, there is a chance to overload the air defense capabilities. Ammunition is not infinite, reaction time, too. And the exchange is already close to equivalent.
          Everything is better than sending kamikaze on the expensive F-35 or Su-57.
          1. Tusv 11 February 2020 22: 42 New
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            Quote: dauria
            In any case, there is a chance to overload the air defense capabilities. Ammunition is not infinite,

            Of course, there are always chances, as well as losing all your uterus, quite instantly from Miga-31. And the ammunition load of aviation is much smaller than any air defense division. Here a comprehensive attack is needed. Is it real? Long-range aircraft and ships of the probable enemy are shot by almost crossfire. In general, the air defense of the Russian Federation is not a toothache. But Libya can be dunked a second time
            1. dauria 11 February 2020 23: 01 New
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              Of course there are always chances, as well as losing all your uterus, quite instantly from Miga-31

              Do you know how the Jews fought the Syrian MiG-23? He has an excellent locator and excellent medium-range missiles R-23R at that time. The melee F-16 group is ahead lower on the background of the earth, F-15 above and behind with the Sparrow.
              Whatever you want, then do it - F-16s are revealed against the background of the earth too late to avoid close combat. You can’t go ahead, but starting the lapel you get the F-15 attack. Clever guys.
              And the Mig-31 is good, but you can only tie it in battle. While he will be beaten off from “dogs”.
              You "uterus" and "dogs" not so represent. “Dog” is a full-fledged follower who knows how to attack independently (just tell someone), choose the profile and type of attack, the moment the missiles are launched, and not a radio-controlled toy on a leash.
              1. Tusv 11 February 2020 23: 14 New
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                Air defense tactics of the Russian Federation is slightly different. We meet aviation. We wet our main targets with long-range missiles, and we achieve them with medium and near missiles
                1. dauria 11 February 2020 23: 19 New
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                  We meet aviation. We wet our main targets with long-range missiles, and we achieve them with medium and near missiles


                  To health. Well, I’m not saying that we have weak air defense. I say that they also understand this, and are looking for ways to peck. And how are we going to break through their air defense? Because if only to defend themselves - they will crush in the end.
                  One loss of initiative will be very expensive.
    3. Sky strike fighter 11 February 2020 21: 06 New
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      Quote: Magic Archer
      This is weird. Europe did not create the fifth full generation and immediately swung at the sixth !? And what are the requirements for it?

      Yes, here the SCAF program is most likely about the 5+ generation, with + since it is designed until 2040 and by this time there will be know-how that will be implemented if possible. They want to create a European analogue of the Su-57, F-35, J-20. And about the 6th generation for PR and drawing attention to the project.
      The full completion of the program is tentatively designed for the year 2035-2040. It involves the creation of an inconspicuous multi-functional fighter generation 5+ (or 6). It is designed to gain air supremacy and strike against ground targets. In the future, he will replace the French aircraft Dassault Rafale and the joint European development of Eurofighter Typhoon.
    4. Victor_B 11 February 2020 21: 28 New
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      Quote: Magic Archer
      And what are the requirements for it?

      But who will do the first something just the sixth and succeed. By all parameters.
      The bomb always hits the epicenter!
      The Americans made their F-22, looked at what happened and said - this is the fifth generation!
      Then they made the F-35, and he does not want to fly on cruising supersonic.
      But still the fifth!
      1. Range 11 February 2020 22: 11 New
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        Fu-35 is not the fifth, but the “hushed” generation. bully The fifth generation of this papelats can be considered only at its cost.
    5. Arlen 11 February 2020 21: 33 New
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      Quote: Magic Archer
      And what are the requirements for it?

      On the portal militaryarms.ru there is an article "Fighter of the sixth generation: science fiction or reality?" from 30.04.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX. Maybe she will suit you.
      https://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/aviaciya/istrebitel-6-pokoleniya
    6. Arlen 11 February 2020 21: 35 New
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      And in the article there is an article dated September 25, 2019 "What will be the 6th generation Russian fighter"
      Link to the article: https://topwar.ru/162825-kakim-budet-rossijskij-istrebitel-6-pokolenija.html
      1. Professor Preobrazhensky 11 February 2020 21: 51 New
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        Now you will be subjected to severe pressure from our military-patriotic lobby laughing
        1. Arlen 11 February 2020 21: 52 New
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          ????? Manenko did not finish ... For what ???
          1. Professor Preobrazhensky 11 February 2020 22: 03 New
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            Well, Europe has probably not done the fifth generation yet, but already the sixth generation is being discussed.
            And here you poured salt on the wound to our analysts, that we did not finish our fifth generation of the aircraft, last year we also talked about the sixth.
    7. maidan.izrailovich 12 February 2020 03: 00 New
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      This is weird. Europe did not create the fifth full generation and immediately swung at the sixth !?

      And when they realize that the sixth is not pulled ..... crying then they will take the seventh .... lol
  3. Thrifty 11 February 2020 20: 47 New
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    Let the Chinese connect as sponsors to the program. And then, they will impose sanctions against China when the plane suddenly flies! In short, you need to act in the spirit of the United States, throwing "partners" and imposing on them their crafts such as f35. ...
  4. tihonmarine 11 February 2020 20: 48 New
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    The full completion of the program is tentatively designed for the year 2035-2040. It involves the creation of an inconspicuous multi-functional fighter generation 5+ (or 6).
    Over the past centuries, Germans and French have been more enemies than friends. Now they are supposedly friends, or rather they are in the same boat, but who knows what will happen at least by 2035.
    1. lucul 11 February 2020 20: 57 New
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      Now they are supposedly friends, or rather they are in the same boat, but who knows what will happen at least by 2035.

      The fact is - will their friendship interfere.
      If yes, then
      Over the past centuries, Germans and French have been more enemies than friends
      1. tihonmarine 11 February 2020 21: 21 New
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        Quote: lucul
        The fact is - will their friendship interfere.

        Capitalism is such a thing, today it seems like a friend, and tomorrow already signed up for the enemy. Remember the last two centuries, emperors were brothers, family ties, and how many times a friend, friend cut his throat.
  5. knn54 11 February 2020 21: 06 New
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    Système de Combat Aérien du Futur - the air combat system of the future.
    Given the "historical hostility" of the participants, it is somehow hard to believe in long-term fruitful cooperation. Plus a limited market, price. Yankee intrigues, the desire to jump over the 5th generation.
  6. Graz 11 February 2020 21: 11 New
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    but how do they want, without creating a 5th generation plane, immediately jump to 6, which is somehow some kind of projection however
  7. impostor 11 February 2020 21: 15 New
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    It stands on a pedestal ... but how can one not get up when such rolls are around?
  8. Vasyan1971 11 February 2020 23: 07 New
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    SCAF stands for Offensive Air System of the Future.

    Who are they planning to attack in the future?
  9. Mavrikiy 12 February 2020 03: 34 New
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    Paradoxically, there is a danger that the parliament of a country considered the leader of Europe could disrupt an important defense program, vital to European sovereignty.
    The plane can and will turn out wonderful, that's just ....... With whom and why to fight Germany? Russia is attacking it and NATO is not going to and there they know it. But the presence of a powerful aircraft could well push NATO into conflict with the Russian Federation. repeat
    To create a super-duper plane in order to load your aircraft industry, well, well, you can start cheaper ....
  10. CBR600 12 February 2020 09: 42 New
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    There is such a definition - Overload. I myself experienced this while driving for 280+ on a mota. This is when you catch the effect of the "tunnel". I understand perfectly that fighter pilots are a completely different organism. But there are limits to it. I mean, the 6th generation is limited by the human factor. Here is an option ....
    ___ For maneuvering, automation requires a bend at 9g. The pilot is ok, carry it out! During the maneuver, the pilot turns off because the maneuver speeds of these devices are already much higher. When does the pilot recover? Is he needed there in the device? Probably not. Only operators on the ground / tsup.
    ___ The 6th generation is already- UAV. And yes, he who sees further will win. The race for stealth and detection systems. And reb =). The plastic world won
    1. Kuzmitsky 12 February 2020 17: 32 New
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      And then Skynet will appear ...
  11. Ax Matt 12 February 2020 19: 05 New
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    Well, they’ll approve the budget ... Well, they’ll spend the money ... Well, they’ll construct it ... Well, they’ll do it ... Well, it will take off ... And they will buy the F-35 iron themselves and others, because Uncle Sam will indicate. That's all...