The fate of the sixth generation SCAF European fighter program in the hands of the Bundestag

The first scientific and technical R&T (research and development) contract is part of the program for the creation of the European SCAF fighter, the characteristics of which exceed those of their fifth generation competitors. Therefore, a number of experts attribute it to the sixth generation. The abbreviation SCAF stands for "Offensive Air System of the Future".

The R&T contract was signed between representatives of Germany and France in December last year. Its cost is 155 million euros, which Berlin and Paris will have to invest in equal shares. It is the first phase of the SCAF project.

The project of creating a “fighter of the future”, figuratively speaking, is now on the runway and is ready for launch. But whether this start will take place today depends entirely on the German Bundestag. There will be a vote on February 12, which should approve or reject Germany’s participation in the project. Paradoxically, there is a danger that the parliament of a country considered the leader of Europe could disrupt an important defense program, vital for European sovereignty.

It is difficult to say what decision the Bundestag will take, so the intrigue will remain until the very moment of voting. But there is another factor of uncertainty - the German government. After all, if it is decided there that ratification of the contract for the 6th generation fighter will lead to budget overruns, then it will be removed from the agenda.

It is possible that the intrigues surrounding the contract are related to intra-German political games, and absolutely nothing threatens the fate of the fighter project.

The preparatory work preceding the conclusion of the contract, Germany and France conducted in an atmosphere of complete mutual understanding and broad government support in both countries.

The implementation of the research and development contract is designed for a year and a half and concerns the aircraft, its engine, unmanned aerial vehicles and some other components of the SCAF program, but so far does not include sensors and stealth.

The full completion of the program is tentatively designed for the year 2035-2040. It involves the creation of an inconspicuous multi-functional fighter generation 5+ (or 6). It is designed to gain air supremacy and strike against ground targets. In the future, he will replace the French aircraft Dassault Rafale and the joint European development of Eurofighter Typhoon.

But the program is not limited to plans for the creation of an ultramodern fighter of the latest generation. It also involves the development of unmanned aerial vehicles, as well as control and guidance systems. The SCAF program is called the "system of systems", which, according to the calculations of its creators, will have to play a leading role in ensuring pan-European security.

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[Professor Preobrazhensky]

On the left in the photo, under the right wing - with a chic figure the blonde is walking

[lucul]

On the left in the photo, under the right wing - with a chic figure the blonde is walking

First thing
the first thing is airplanes ......))))

[Cowbra]

The plane in the photo is already damaged - it is a mockup. So I do not see obstacles)))
First of all, we spoil the planes ... Well, the girls and the girls later)))

[Spektr]

The full completion of the program is tentatively designed for the year 2035-2040.

And there you look, or the padish will flip the flippers, or the donkey will die.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Professor Preobrazhensky

with a gorgeous figure the blonde is walking

Indeed - let's better talk about women, or science fiction is already sick of it, then Anglo-Saxons with their super-duper, then pin-up with their SOI, today there are enough horror stories on

[going to Toyota]

and if it’s Macron’s wife, then what?

[Magic archer]

This is weird. Europe did not create the fifth full generation and immediately swung at the sixth !? And what are the requirements for it?

[Runoway]

But it’s strange for me that the states have sucked in the F-35 as much as possible, and Merkel, with her deplorable tornadoes, has still not succumbed

[Whalebone]

Why strange? The Germans count their money. Who are they going to fight in the air with? Their task, if something serious happened - land operations. Fleet and aviation - from other partners in the alliance. Division of labor.

[Tusv]

Quote: Runoway

And for me it’s strange that the states brought in the F-35 to whom only

Why vtyuhali. Honestly offered. Raptor is not for sale, too secret. But we will make a workhorse in exchange for a falcon for your money

[voyaka uh]

"It’s strange for me that the states have swallowed the F-35 as anyone can, and Merkel, .."
-----
What is so strange? In Germany, the Typhoon-Eurofighter assembly plant.
If you purchase F-35, the plant will close. And it employs thousands of workers, technicians,
engineers. Where to put them?

[Liam]

Quote: voyaka uh

What is so strange? In Germany, the Typhoon-Eurofighter assembly plant.
If you purchase F-35, the plant will close. And it employs thousands of workers, technicians,
engineers. Where to put them?

Typhoon assembly plants are located in all 4 countries participating in the project - in the World Bank, Germany, Italy and Spain. In Italy, in particular, the final assembly plant is located in Caselle Torinese. This did not stop either Italy or England from buying the F-35

[Liam]

In England, the final assembly plant is located in Warton. In Spain, in Getafe.

[dauria]

And what are the requirements for it?

A scheme has already emerged - a bunch of relatively cheap stealth drones on a tactical leash of command-attack aircraft in the air. So it’s more real to work against serious air defense.
It is doubtful that they will pull financially. The US will share the market with the Chinese. But only for themselves - they will remain without pants. The burghers and the French will not forgive if they are left without sausages ..

[Sky strike fighter]

A scheme has already emerged - a bunch of relatively cheap stealth drones on a tactical leash of command-attack aircraft in the air. So it’s more real to work against serious air defense

Well this is 5, from the strength of the 5+ generation. Something similar is emerging here. The same is the tandem of the Su-57 and the Hunter S-70.
But what about the speed? It seems like the Mig-41 should be a 6th generation aircraft. A new engine is needed.

MiG-31 is objectively the fastest fighter of our time. One of its modifications - MiG-31BM - is capable of accelerating to 3400 km / h. Russian experts talk about the possibility of increasing speed to 7000 km / h.
Read more at https://military.pravda.ru/news/1473517-mig_31/

[Tusv]

Quote: dauria

A scheme has already emerged - a bunch of relatively cheap stealth drones on a tactical leash of command-attack aircraft in the air. So it’s more real to work against serious air defense.

The air defense system of the Russian Federation is not only ground-based systems, but also Migi -31, Sushki, A-50. And the Mig-31 is a very long air defense arm. In general, simple, not so simple. Command aircraft must be somewhere at a distance of 500 -1000 km in order to feel calm

[dauria]

Command aircraft must be somewhere at a distance of 500 -1000 km in order to feel calm

Not necessary. In battle formations. Maybe a little behind. "Dogs" are echeloned in height. And some of the "dogs" with teeth in the form of air-to-air missiles. EPR is small, even less against the background of the earth. And it doesn't matter who gives them the command "face". In any case, there is a chance to overload the air defense capabilities. Ammunition is not infinite, the reaction time is also. And the exchange is already close to equivalent.
Everything is better than sending kamikaze on the expensive F-35 or Su-57.

[Tusv]

Quote: dauria

In any case, there is a chance to overload the air defense capabilities. Ammunition is not infinite,

Of course, there are always chances, as well as losing all your uterus, quite instantly from Miga-31. And the ammunition load of aviation is much smaller than any air defense division. Here a comprehensive attack is needed. Is it real? Long-range aircraft and ships of the probable enemy are shot by almost crossfire. In general, the air defense of the Russian Federation is not a toothache. But Libya can be dunked a second time

[dauria]

Of course there are always chances, as well as losing all your uterus, quite instantly from Miga-31

Do you know how the Jews fought the Syrian MiG-23? He has an excellent locator and excellent medium-range missiles R-23R for those times. A melee group of F-16s below in front of the ground, F-15s above and behind with Sparrow.
Whatever you want, then do it - F-16s are revealed against the background of the earth too late to avoid close combat. You can’t go ahead, but starting the lapel you get the F-15 attack. Clever guys.
And the MiG-31 is good, but only it can be tied up in battle. While he will fight off the "dogs".
You do not represent the "uterus" and "dogs" like that. "Dog" is a full-fledged slave, able to independently attack (just tell whom), choose a profile and type of attack, the moment of launching missiles, and not a radio-controlled toy on a leash.

[Tusv]

Air defense tactics of the Russian Federation is slightly different. We meet aviation. We wet our main targets with long-range missiles, and we achieve them with medium and near missiles

[dauria]

We meet aviation. We wet our main targets with long-range missiles, and we achieve them with medium and near missiles

To health. Well, I’m not saying that we have weak air defense. I say that they also understand this, and are looking for ways to peck. And how are we going to break through their air defense? Because if only to defend themselves - they will crush in the end.
One loss of initiative will be very expensive.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Magic Archer

This is weird. Europe did not create the fifth full generation and immediately swung at the sixth !? And what are the requirements for it?

Yes, here the SCAF program is most likely about the 5+ generation, with + since it is designed until 2040 and by this time there will be know-how that will be implemented if possible. They want to create a European analogue of the Su-57, F-35, J-20. And about the 6th generation for PR and drawing attention to the project.

The full completion of the program is tentatively designed for the year 2035-2040. It involves the creation of an inconspicuous multi-functional fighter generation 5+ (or 6). It is designed to gain air supremacy and strike against ground targets. In the future, he will replace the French aircraft Dassault Rafale and the joint European development of Eurofighter Typhoon.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Magic Archer

And what are the requirements for it?

But who will do the first something just the sixth and succeed. By all parameters.
The bomb always hits the epicenter!
The Americans made their F-22, looked at what happened and said - this is the fifth generation!
Then they made the F-35, and he does not want to fly on cruising supersonic.
But still the fifth!

[Spektr]

Fu-35 is not the fifth, but the "hushed" generation. The fifth generation of this papelats can be considered only at its cost.

[Arlen]

Quote: Magic Archer

And what are the requirements for it?

On the militaryarms.ru portal there is an article "Fighter of the sixth generation: fantasy or reality?" from 30.04.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX. Maybe it will suit you.
https://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/aviaciya/istrebitel-6-pokoleniya

[Arlen]

And on VO there is an article dated September 25, 2019 "What will be the Russian 6th generation fighter"
Link to the article: https://topwar.ru/162825-kakim-budet-rossijskij-istrebitel-6-pokolenija.html

[Professor Preobrazhensky]

Now you will be subjected to severe pressure from our military-patriotic lobby

[Arlen]

????? Manenko did not finish ... For what ???

[Professor Preobrazhensky]

Well, Europe has probably not done the fifth generation yet, but already the sixth generation is being discussed.
And here you poured salt on the wound to our analysts, that we did not finish our fifth generation of the aircraft, last year we also talked about the sixth.

[maidan.izrailovich]

This is weird. Europe did not create the fifth full generation and immediately swung at the sixth !?

And when they realize that the sixth is not pulled ..... then they will take the seventh ....

[Thrifty]

Let the Chinese join the program as sponsors. And then, they will impose sanctions against the Middle Kingdom, when the plane suddenly flies! In short, you need to act in the spirit of the United States, throwing "partners" and imposing your own handicraft type f35 on them. ...

[tihonmarine]

The full completion of the program is tentatively designed for the year 2035-2040. It involves the creation of an inconspicuous multi-functional fighter generation 5+ (or 6).

Over the past centuries, Germans and French have been more enemies than friends. Now they are supposedly friends, or rather they are in the same boat, but who knows what will happen at least by 2035.

[lucul]

Now they are supposedly friends, or rather they are in the same boat, but who knows what will happen at least by 2035.

The fact is - will their friendship interfere.
If yes, then

Over the past centuries, Germans and French have been more enemies than friends

[tihonmarine]

Quote: lucul

The fact is - will their friendship interfere.

Capitalism is such a thing, today it seems like a friend, and tomorrow already signed up for the enemy. Remember the last two centuries, emperors were brothers, family ties, and how many times a friend, friend cut his throat.

[knn54]

Système de Combat Aérien du Futur - the air combat system of the future.
Considering the "historical hostility" of the participants, it is hard to believe in long-term fruitful cooperation. Plus the limited market, the price, the machinations of the Yankees, the desire to jump over the 5th generation.

[Graz]

but how do they want, without creating a 5th generation plane, immediately jump to 6, which is somehow some kind of projection however

[impostor]

It stands on a pedestal ... but how can one not get up when such rolls are around?

[Vasyan1971]

SCAF stands for Offensive Air System of the Future.

Who are they planning to attack in the future?

[Mavrikiy]

Paradoxically, there is a danger that the parliament of a country considered the leader of Europe could disrupt an important defense program, vital to European sovereignty.

The plane can and will turn out wonderful, that's just ....... With whom and why to fight Germany? Russia is attacking it and NATO is not going to and there they know it. But the presence of a powerful aircraft could well push NATO into conflict with the Russian Federation.
To create a super-duper plane in order to load your aircraft industry, well, well, you can start cheaper ....

[CBR600]

There is such a definition - Overload. I experienced it myself driving 280+ on a moto. This is when you catch the "tunnel" effect. I understand perfectly well that fighter pilots are a completely different organism. But there are limits to it. This I mean that the 6th generation is limited by the human factor. Here's an option ....
___ For maneuvering, automation requires a bend at 9g. The pilot is ok, carry it out! During the maneuver, the pilot turns off because the maneuver speeds of these devices are already much higher. When does the pilot recover? Is he needed there in the device? Probably not. Only operators on the ground / tsup.
___ The 6th generation is already- UAV. And yes, he who sees further will win. The race for stealth and detection systems. And reb =). The plastic world won

[Kuzmitsky]

And then Skynet will appear ...

[Ax Matt]

Well, they’ll approve the budget ... Well, they’ll spend the money ... Well, they’ll construct it ... Well, they’ll do it ... Well, it will take off ... And they will buy the F-35 iron themselves and others, because Uncle Sam will indicate. That's all...