Experiment: how many continuous shots will the legendary PPSh sustain


Another plot "Destroyers weapons"On the channel of the Kalashnikov concern is dedicated to extreme shooting from the legendary PPSh. Why is shooting extreme? And because any plot of “Destroyers of weapons” is associated with shooting so intense that in the end small arms go to transcendental modes of use.


The endurance is checked by a real veteran of the shooting service - the 78-year-old Shpagin submachine gun.

Cartridges are fired from two types of magazines: these are classic drum drums for PPSh, as well as sector ones.

Experimenter:

Ergonomics of wartime - this, of course, is far from modernity. Sleeves are strewed right on the sighting line.

The video shows how the experimenter has problems unfastening stores from the PPSh.

After 597 fired bullets, smoke appears in the muzzle region.

When the bar went up to 900 rounds, a cartridge was stuck in the front wall of the magazine.

So how many continuous shots does the PCA withstand?

Video with the experiment and the answer to the question:

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  1. svp67 12 February 2020 05: 11 New
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    PaPaSa is really cool, here is an ammunition eater ... and if the experimenter had more sector stores, he would not yet know how many he would shoot. since the drive is seamlessly used in PPSh only from "native", that is, it was just the first two ... Well, cool. It would be interesting to shoot PPP so
    1. beeper 12 February 2020 06: 01 New
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      hi Yes, Comrade Svp67, it would also be interesting to see, it’s even better arranged for firing PPPs with barrel cooling, the chamber is a little “freer (for more reliable work with surrogate wartime cartridges, making worn out tools on worn equipment, from materials -replacements and low-skilled workers) "is cut, and the barrel itself with the same walls .... what
      My bati, during the post-war service in Germany, was armed with PPSh-he spoke very well about him, said that he was accurate and stable when shooting, and very suitable for hand-to-hand combat ...
      1. neri73-r 12 February 2020 09: 03 New
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        Quote: pishchak
        He spoke very well about him, said that he was accurate and stable when shooting, and very suitable for hand-to-hand combat ...

        Of course, 5 kg, he does not even move much in his hands, although you can write with bullets and stick like that with a club, it will not seem enough. I could not stand it, I bought myself such a hunting 1945 release, it is a pity I can only solitary, I shot from a battlefield, there are a lot of impressions and only good ones. By the way, the sample from which he fired fired at that time 5 million shots (according to the testimony of the Central Research Institute Tochmash, where he shot).
        1. Range 12 February 2020 13: 50 New
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          Legend of the Second World War. He and the Germans recognized him as a trouble-free weapon and often used it as a trophy ...
      2. svp67 12 February 2020 10: 39 New
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        hi
        Quote: pishchak
        My bati, during the post-war service in Germany, was armed with PPSh-he

        My same served with him, for the rest of his life he remembered the case when in one of the guards, at one of the guards, the equipped PPSh fell to the concrete floor, split into two parts and started to shoot independently, and it spins ... God kept everyone, no one was hooked, but re .... everything, most of all the owner of this PPSh, who stood like that heron on one leg for another half an hour, could not move ...
        1. neri73-r 12 February 2020 13: 55 New
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          Quote: svp67
          divided into two parts and began to shoot independently,

          I can’t imagine how technically possible. When the "separation" of the barrel goes to the bottom of the axis of the shutter, the cartridge does not fall into the chamber.
          1. svp67 12 February 2020 18: 43 New
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            Quote: neri73-r
            I can’t imagine how technically possible. When the "separation" of the barrel goes to the bottom of the axis of the shutter, the cartridge does not fall into the chamber.

            No, there’s something like a butt flew off, in general I remember who else told me what the PPSh had, something like that, they tried not to drop it especially
            P / S: Found.
            If dropped or hit, the weapon could fire. This was due to the weakening of the gate spring.

            Well, the flying butt apparently shows that the blow was not weak, since the wooden bed cracked
            1. Orkraider 12 February 2020 22: 46 New
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              hi
              It’s not the spring, as far as I understand, a spontaneous shot is the trouble of all the PPs with a free shutter:


              Automation works according to the scheme of using recoil with a free shutter. The fire is fired from the rear sear (the shutter is fired in the extreme rear position before firing, after the shutter goes forward, the cartridge is sent out, the capsule is pricked at the moment of completion of retouching), the shutter is not fixed at the moment of firing.

              A similar scheme is often used in the development of submachine guns. For all its simplicity, such a solution requires the use of a massive bolt, increasing the total mass of weapons. In addition, a weapon using such a reloading scheme can shoot as a result of a strong blow (for example, when falling), if the bolt from the extreme front (unfixed) position rolls away from the strike along guides farther from the magazine's supply window, or from the extreme rear - it will fall off stopper.
              1. svp67 13 February 2020 04: 17 New
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                hi
                I have never exploited PPSh. He held it in his hands, took it apart, but did not have to shoot. And this is what Net found in the bowels of the net. So I will believe everything
      3. figwam 12 February 2020 12: 07 New
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        At PPS, the rate of fire is 650 rpm, and at PPSh -1000 rpm, and even with such a rate of fire he would at least have something.
        1. svp67 12 February 2020 18: 44 New
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          Quote: figvam
          even with such a rate of fire at least for him.

          So what? The cartridge is a pistol, the barrel is not very long, moreover, there are no "extra" holes in the barrel to operate the same gas outlet system ...
    2. Grandfather 12 February 2020 06: 02 New
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      shot from the "Pasha", the cartridges fired, on the line of sight do not really interfere, the eye focuses on the target. And yes, disk stores for each machine are easily inserted only "their". and the "machine" is good.
      1. YOUR 12 February 2020 12: 22 New
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        As you can see from the video at the shooting 23 magazines 30 rounds and three magazines for 71 rounds. Work fine
        1. svp67 12 February 2020 18: 45 New
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          Quote: YOUR
          Work fine

          No, the last drive did not work normally, poking, poking
  2. Mar.Tirah 12 February 2020 05: 59 New
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    Recently in LRS when re-registering my weapons, I saw how a man brought PPSh for registration !!!!!! The real, legendary PPSh is not fake and jewelry remade for firing with single shots. The whole department came running to watch it. So now you can buy it. In their warehouses there is still darkness, so they decided to convert and put them on sale.
    1. beeper 12 February 2020 06: 18 New
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      hi We, back in Soviet high school, had completely unused, brand new PPSh and a machine gun DP with hallmarks of military years of release, converted into training for NVP.
      Since I’ve been a turner since I was 10 years old, I immediately drew attention to the external processing of the barrel of that military PPSh 1942, it was ribbed, like a small thread, as it was made with large feeds to make it quicker, so in peacetime they don’t grind. ... although, for cooling the barrel, ribbing only benefits the larger surface to be cooled.
      And I remember it all my life because before my mother’s workmate told how he, as a teenager, worked as a turner at a Moscow aircraft factory and, in order to get to the control levers of the machine, they put a wooden box under his feet .... imagined that then the same boy at the arms factory, also standing on a box near the machine, sharpened this barrel to our school PPSh.
      Included with each PPSh were only two "native", individually tailored to it, disk stores!
      1. Mar.Tirah 12 February 2020 06: 58 New
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        Quote: pishchak
        We, back in Soviet high school, had completely unused, brand new PPSh and a machine gun DP with hallmarks of military years of release, converted into training for NVP.

        Yes, I also remember this. PPSh, AKM and PD were the main areas of interest in the school. Everyone was waiting for someone to trust the military instructor to bring weapons to the classroom from the gun room. Then the PPSh seemed hefty and heavy. Although in reality it is a light and small sample of Victory’s weapon with the same AK-74! And what pride was when you carry it on your shoulder, all the children ran together for a break.
        1. Astra wild 12 February 2020 07: 10 New
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          I didn’t see the PPSh, but I know the AK-74, with a wooden butt, is heavy
          1. Mar.Tirah 12 February 2020 07: 15 New
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            Quote: Astra wild
            I didn’t see the PPSh, but I know the AK-74, with a wooden butt, is heavy

            AKM and AK-47 with wooden butts. And your truth is they are really heavier than AK 74 with a folding butt.
            1. Astra wild 12 February 2020 07: 18 New
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              With a folding butt I saw on TV and it seemed to me pretty
            2. Gvardeetz77 12 February 2020 08: 30 New
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              Those. AK-74 not with a wooden butt? Do not mislead a lady ...
              1. Mar.Tirah 12 February 2020 08: 47 New
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                Quote: Gvardeetz77
                Those. AK-74 not with a wooden butt? Do not mislead a lady ...

                From the very beginning, the machine was produced in four versions:

                AK-74 - the main option. This is a continuation of the development of the AKM
                AKS-74 (GRAU Index - 6P21) is an AK-74 variant with a metal buttstock folding onto the left side. Designed for use in the airborne troops.
                AK-74N - “night” version of the AK-74 with a side bar for mounting night sights (for example, 1P78).
                AKS-74N - the “night” version of the folding AKS-74, with a side bar for attaching night sights (for example, 1P78).
                AK-74M (GRAU Index - 6P34) - AK-74 upgraded. It is equipped with a folding plastic buttstock on the left side and a universal mount (dovetail bar) for mounting sights, both optical and night, on the left side of the receiver. Thus, the AK-74M replaced four models at once: AK-74, AKS-74, AK-74N and AKS-74N .. The lady herself understands weapons no worse than you and me. I talked about those who were at school years. AK-74 with a folding butt. And it is lighter than machine guns with wooden butts. hi
                1. Okolotochny 13 February 2020 12: 14 New
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                  Designed for use in the airborne troops.

                  I served in urgent with BB. So, not only in the Airborne Forces used.
              2. svp67 14 February 2020 10: 20 New
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                Quote: Gvardeetz77
                Those. AK-74 not with a wooden butt?

                How to say it ... NOT ALL
                I remember at school two years after I was just like that ...

                And this is the GDR "pimple"
            3. Rey_ka 12 February 2020 15: 28 New
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              with a wooden one with a wooden one he himself with such served there in the butt still a pencil case with pribludy for cleaning the machine
          2. Jarserge 21 February 2020 11: 29 New
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            AK-74 "heavy"? !! Compared to what?
        2. Grandfather 12 February 2020 10: 26 New
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          Quote: Mar. Tira
          Quote: pishchak
          We, back in Soviet high school, had completely unused, brand new PPSh and a machine gun DP with hallmarks of military years of release, converted into training for NVP.

          Yes, I also remember this. PPSh, AKM and PD were the main areas of interest in the school. Everyone was waiting for someone to trust the military instructor to bring weapons to the classroom from the gun room. Then the PPSh seemed hefty and heavy. Although in reality it is a light and small sample of Victory’s weapon with the same AK-74! And what pride was when you carry it on your shoulder, all the children ran together for a break.

          a trifle and from the “TOZ” ki blew ... and then we ... like adults ... we carry it casually .. "habitually" on the belt ... and damn it for 14 years ... wassat yes ...
          1. Mar.Tirah 12 February 2020 11: 12 New
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            Quote: Dead Day
            we carry it casually .. "habitually" on the belt ... and damn it for 14 years ... yes ...

            14 a lot. They started on 12 years. On holidays, to stand with the PPSh was something on the guard of honor !!!!! Well, TOZ-8, (small things) with "air", where is it without them? And what is surprising now, the military commander himself handed out the ammunition cartridges that were lying in his simple wooden table and we shot them at the school dash. Alone with the military instructor, without instructors, escorts, police officers and the national guard!?!?!?
            1. sharp-lad 12 February 2020 22: 02 New
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              In our school it was the same, a whole class and one military instructor giving out ten rounds per nose and constantly complaining to us that he took only 4 boxes of cartridges with him, and that on the shooting gallery floor he had already gathered on a bucket of cartridges. And what is surprising if every second classmate is the son / daughter of an officer. hi
        3. Essex62 12 February 2020 12: 42 New
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          We had two and Degtyar, but in the school shooting gallery they shot only from Tozik, AK dismantling-assembling. Shoot was taken to the shooting range, a couple of times, sort of. On the shooting range there was a propaganda poster "Our goal is communism," take a joker and blurt out - communism is a fire. Comrade, in civilian clothes, his father nightmare after the director in the office. It seems like they were vigilant, but one hell didn’t notice how the bummer's infection spread across the Stainless and began to dictate rules.
      2. YOUR 12 February 2020 12: 25 New
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        In the video there are 3 magazines for 71 cartridges and 23 for 30 cartridges. Maybe at the initial stage it was, but as you can see from the video, the individual fit is not confirmed.
        1. Mordvin 3 12 February 2020 12: 51 New
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          Quote: YOUR
          In the video there are 3 magazines for 71 cartridges and 23 for 30 cartridges. Maybe at the initial stage it was, but as you can see from the video, the individual fit is not confirmed.

          The third disk just powdered brains.
          1. YOUR 12 February 2020 14: 56 New
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            One of 26 submitted.
            1. Mordvin 3 12 February 2020 15: 07 New
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              individual adjustment is not confirmed.

              Individually, as far as I know, drives were customized, not sector stores. In the video, just two discs worked flawlessly.
              1. YOUR 12 February 2020 15: 10 New
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                The third one also worked, well there were delays, but they were quickly eliminated. All is almost 80 years old.
                1. Mordvin 3 12 February 2020 17: 22 New
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                  And the fourth disc was probably full of the first two, and again without delay.
              2. beeper 12 February 2020 15: 26 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: YOUR
                individual adjustment is not confirmed.

                Individually, as far as I know, drives were customized, not sector stores. In the video, just two discs worked flawlessly.

                hi The third disk store was “non-native” to this PCA, therefore, probably, they left it in the end ?! And they did it right, as it turned out!
                Front-line soldiers said that, in experience, they never charged PPSh and DP disk stores to capacity — to their full capacity! Always undercharged 3-5 rounds! Due to the capricious “gramophone”, spiral, springs, the metal quality of which fell in wartime and they quickly “sat down”, causing delays in the delivery of the latest cartridges.
                Partisan machine gunners, who usually had one or two worn out stores in constant use, even fastened a lace loop on top of the cover of the DP “disk” to see the consumption of cartridges and, with the consumption of the latter, help the store feeder with their hand.
                1. Mordvin 3 12 February 2020 17: 18 New
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                  The third disk store was “non-native” to this PCA, therefore, probably, they left it in the end ?! And they did it right, as it turned out!

                  Here I am about that. There, apparently, there were large tolerances during production, and therefore they customized the wheels as better.
                  Quote: pishchak
                  Front-line soldiers said that, in experience, they never charged PPSh and DP disk stores to capacity — to their full capacity! Always undercharged 3-5 rounds!

                  I don’t know about DP, but about the PPSh, one same front-line soldier told us the same thing.
                  1. beeper 12 February 2020 18: 40 New
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                    hi And I write about the same. yes About two individually customized disk stores in the factory PPSA delivery set is a documentary fact, but I see the minuses that there are stubbornly disagreeing with this, Comrade Mordvin 3. Probably, some “alternative specialists” who do not know the real history of Shapi pistols military production machine guns ?!
                    1. beeper 12 February 2020 18: 51 New
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                      What can I say, if any "Foma-unbeliever (for the red words, not for insult!)" Can see for himself in the newsreel of the war years, if he pays attention to (not so rare!) Footage produced by the PCA, even boys and girls , where, along the wall above the workbenches, the gunsmiths put the finished assembly, to the already standing there, ready to hand over the military envoy Shpaga submachine guns with their tied to them two (no more and no less!) disk stores!
        2. John22 12 February 2020 18: 47 New
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          Sector stores for 35 rounds. 23x35 equals 805 shots.
          1. YOUR 13 February 2020 10: 55 New
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            Plus three drums of 71 rounds.
        3. About 2 13 February 2020 09: 17 New
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          Disk stores before being replaced by sector stores, if my memory serves me right, were made interchangeable with other PPSh. But there were other problems with PPSh disk stores according to Dmitry Shiryaev, the designer of the gunsmith, for example, the deformation of the walls of the store. Soviet infantrymen were in the habit of holding their guns by the barrel and sitting backwards on a disk magazine, which led to deformation of the walls and the magazine breaking down. The operation of disk magazines generally showed their low reliability and this was the main reason for rejecting them not only from PPSh but also from RPK machine gun.
      3. serg.shishkov2015 15 February 2020 11: 01 New
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        We also had PPSh! even stood with him in the guard of honor at the Eternal Flame!
    2. Cryvedco 12 February 2020 08: 02 New
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      Eh, it would be better if they allowed automatic weapons to buy, and so, it’s a pity the machines only. Worse, only civilian semi-automatic machine guns and a screw cutter without a silencer.
    3. ccsr 12 February 2020 12: 30 New
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      Quote: Mar. Tira
      In their warehouses there is still darkness, so they decided to convert and put them on sale.

      This is an exaggeration - they are not in the warehouses, because in the Ministry of Internal Affairs the last machines were removed from the convoy units in the sixties, and after that all the MO stocks were transferred or sold to different countries, especially to those who supported socialism. So by now, there may have remained single samples in warehouses, but no more.
    4. Constanty 12 February 2020 18: 22 New
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      Surprisingly, in Poland there are still available (converted for firing with single shots) Soviet from the war but unused for ridiculous money - about $ 250


    5. Orkraider 12 February 2020 21: 54 New
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      hi


      Recently in LRS when re-registering my weapons, I saw how a man brought PPSh for registration !!!!!! The real, legendary PPSh is not fake and jewelry remade for firing with single shots. The whole department came running to watch it. So now you can buy it. In their warehouses there is still darkness, so they decided to convert and put them on sale.


      No wonder, catches if you take it.
      Here is my))))


  3. Strashila 12 February 2020 07: 29 New
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    Just handsome, what is done according to all the rules and after a decade it works as it should.
  4. Cryvedco 12 February 2020 07: 57 New
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    Damn, well, why the heck about a gun to mock? I didn’t even look.
  5. bistrov. 12 February 2020 08: 04 New
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    I had to shoot from the PPSh, the horn store, shot standing at the chest, from 100 meters, which was remembered: it’s quite difficult to shoot alone, since the shutter has a large mass and when firing, when you press the shutter when the shutter breaks from a whisper, the machine twitches slightly , you need to adapt to this, or shoot from the stop, you get a scatter, but all the same, all three bullets hit the target, but the target simply riddled with automatic fire, there is practically no recoil. According to instructions, solitary shooting is recommended up to 300 meters, automatic fire at 200 meters.
    Pretty weighty - 5 kg. but comfortable and handy, I liked it.
    1. Avior 12 February 2020 21: 48 New
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      And how did they keep it? Where was your left hand?
      By the horn or disk, they will loosen up, further inconvenient to drive, in front of the disk, even more inconvenient to hold, hand too close.
      As I did not try on the layout, I did not take it to make it convenient.
      1. bistrov. 13 February 2020 23: 15 New
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        And how to keep

        Not for the store, for the protrusion of the shutter box in front of the shop. Actually, a flaw, I’m not aware that holding the store is not recommended, over time, the store’s attachment point loosens and you need to change the stores and the magazine latch, and possibly the shutter box, still had to provide a handle for the left hand.
        1. Avior 13 February 2020 23: 43 New
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          The protrusion is very small, with a horn more or less, and there is no way to hold the disc there at all
          The faculty has a ledge of the store acceptor, it is much more convenient to hold.
  6. Lamata 12 February 2020 08: 13 New
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    Somehow I tried to wave them at the reconstruction in the trench, Mlyn, if you really can drop into the skull !!
  7. Rasskazov Sergey Ivanovich 12 February 2020 11: 09 New
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    It’s interesting to see, advertising is good. But this is not the main thing for any machine gun or machine gun. Maxim also shoots without cooling, but spits, the bullets do not fly far (rifle cartridge), the aiming range changes, there is no penetration force. It’s clear that PCA wasn’t given to fools, especially recruits. Otherwise, for 8 seconds, two stores and then only the butt. The pros won’t do it, the forend of the wooden and gas pipes are gone, there’s nothing to burn like on a Kalash. But here the glorified Kalash when overheating (somewhere 3-4 magazines or 90-120 rounds) also shoots, but spits. What is the use of frantic shooting if the bullets do not fly at the target and the enemy is not hit? And yet, the rate of fire PPSh-1000 h / min, i.e. 6 sec-100 shots or 16 per second. 72 rounds. For 16 we get 4,5 seconds, but for some reason it’s longer on the screen. Why?
  8. Taoist 12 February 2020 11: 23 New
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    The trench broom as it is ... In Stalingrad, the Germans assaulted the armies with the captured PPSh - for there was nothing better than a reliable and more powerful battlefield ... Well, you’ll not be able to light it with a butt ... unlike MP39 ...
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      In Stalingrad, the Germans armed the assault troops with captured PPSh - for there was nothing better and more reliable for the short-range battle ...

      Yes, he is now in the subject
  9. Andrei Alexandrovich 12 February 2020 15: 37 New
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    Guys, what are you trying to prove to whom? ... Isn’t it embarrassing to scoff at the machine? ... The people who gathered there put a bit of their soul into it, and you in this case, with your distrust, actually didn’t give a damn about their soul ... You have a conscience, or in your place you have horseradish (a vegetable - such) has grown ...
  10. Arthur 85 12 February 2020 22: 46 New
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    Um, well, if he didn’t have such gloves on his hands, maybe it would be more convenient. Although, of course, winter. And the pieces of iron can be red-hot.
    1. Selidat 13 February 2020 16: 38 New
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      He is on all rollers in these gloves and with a visor on his face, all the same compliance with TB))
  11. About 2 13 February 2020 09: 01 New
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    It was because of the reliability problems of the disk store that at the end of the war they decided to replace it with a horn. Excellent weapon of the Soviet designer Georgy Semenovich Shpagin.
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      In 1942, they began to change it, or rather to supplement it.
  12. Andrey.AN 13 February 2020 11: 40 New
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    Successfully integrated into the geometry of the casing muzzle brake compensator, we can say ingenious. It is interesting to look at AK like that.
  13. av58 13 February 2020 12: 28 New
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    Everything is expected reliably. The only question is: how much can you already mix with cocking the shutter with your left hand? You would scratch your left ear with your left hand laughing
  14. Uncle Izya 13 February 2020 23: 14 New
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    And what about ammunition, better pm and parabelum
  15. Ravil_Asnafovich 15 February 2020 23: 54 New
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    This is not so with rarity.