Development work on the Ka-65 "Lamprey" helicopter has not yet been opened

Development work on the development of a promising deck lamp helicopter "Lamprey" has not yet begun, their opening is scheduled for 2020. This was stated by the CEO of Russian Helicopters Andrei Boginsky.

Responding to a question from a RIA news agency correspondent News, the general director of Russian Helicopters explained that the Ministry of Defense has so far not concluded a contract to conduct R&D on the topic of the Lamprey deck helicopter with the holding. At the same time, he noted that negotiations are underway, preliminary design has already been completed, and an agreement should be signed this year.

We do not have a contract yet. The coordination of the technical specifications is in the final stage. On Friday, February 14, we have a meeting with Alexei Krivoruchko; maybe then I can share some information. Work scheduled for this year.

- he said.

The first talk about the possible development of a new helicopter went in 2015. Then the chief of the sea aviation Naval forces Igor Kozhin said that the Navy can get a car by 2020. Later, in 2016, Sergey Mikheev, general designer of Kamov JSC, made a clarification in a comment to the TASS news agency - it could take about 10 years to develop, and serial production of the new helicopter will begin no earlier than the mid-2020s.

The new helicopter should replace the Ka-27 ship-based helicopter, which has been serving almost 50 years. A new rotary-wing machine, while being lighter, should also become more powerful.

The helicopter is built according to the traditional coaxial scheme for Kamov. The Polet Research and Production Enterprise from Nizhny Novgorod created a special communications system for this vehicle, which should both ensure full integration into automated systems for command and control and combat.

Comments

[Fedorov]

In Soviet times, they designed and built without pointers on top and roach. For which they received awards and prizes. And now what - we are waiting for the money, then we will work. (although the work is already in the minds).

[Pavel57]

Designed without pointers from above, but secretly deducted money from other orders.
There are no miracles - if in one place it arrives, then in another it will.
And how much was cunning with the creation of new aircraft under the flag of creating a modification of the old !!))))

[Fedorov]

I agree. But not with everything. This topic should be discussed on a separate branch ....

[maxim947]

In Soviet times, everyone was on salaries, but now there is no contract - there is no money for salaries, that's all accounting. Capitalism.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: maxim947

In Soviet times, everyone was on salary

in Soviet times, everyone always had a job

[maxim947]

One other does not exclude. I do not criticize the Soviet approach. In this case, even the opposite.

[Grigory_45]

so I do not criticize him. The fact is that initiative design was not very carried away even then, as it is not very carried away even now. The initiative can be shown, but to a certain extent - this is a conceptual design. And show the customer - suddenly interested? Carry out technical design, create a design documentation and even more so a prototype - why? The customer may not be satisfied, but have worked out, but have not earned. Although in the West it is practiced, but there the offices are really private and are free to spend their money as they please.

[maxim947]

Not true. The Union was constantly engaged in proactive design and there were funds for it, hence such a large number of "developments" that are still used today. Plus, under the Union, the leaders were specialized professionals who understood the technical tasks facing them, not like the current "managers". Now, I repeat, the situation is completely different, such a luxury can only be afforded by financially stable enterprises and then if they "know" in advance that the goods will be bought. The rest of the overwhelming majority "live" only on orders and money for full-fledged developments they simply have nowhere to take. Therefore, ambitious projects are needed, the customer sets clear requirements in terms of performance characteristics and deadlines, and the contractor, under his careful control and funding, performs the task. These projects revive the industry, both in terms of science and production in general.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: maxim947

Not true. Initiative design under the Union was constantly engaged

Who argues that did not do? To a certain point.
But in the future, you either did not understand me, or talk about completely different things. Do not confuse research (research work) and OCD? Research can be carried out on an initiative basis, but OCD ... I recall the only case when the designer of the Sukhoi Design Bureau reached the construction of a full-size wooden model of the future Su-25 - this is all that Pavel Osipovich allowed them to do. And then, it was out of the ordinary. Usually, as I said above, they were limited to the stage of outline design. Nobody built and tested a full-fledged plane, tank, ship behind the back of the Moscow Region.
Can you imagine the stages of creating an object? How is the creation of military equipment going on?

[Grigory_45]

You see, modern military technology is very complex. Components, assemblies, assemblies, devices are made by a lot of third-party co-executors. And in order for the "golfer" to be able to carry out the stage of OCD, and even more so to build a prototype, he must convince all co-performers to work "for nothing", and behind the back of the Moscow Region. How do you imagine this ???? In this way, only small arms can be created, where 1-2 people work on the project, and all the details for the future machine gun, for example, can be made at the pilot production of the KB. You will never make a tank or an airplane.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Gregory_45

Carry out technical design, create a design documentation and even more so a prototype - why? The customer may not be satisfied,

I beg to differ. The same VAZ, on its own initiative, developed design documentation and manufactured prototypes for more than a dozen cars not known to the general public. Little of this went into production. But one of these "initiative" ultimately turned into "Niva", which became the progenitor of a new class of cars, which are now called crossovers.
In the aircraft industry of initiative developments in the USSR, it was even difficult to say how many dozens.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

The same VAZ proactively developed the design documentation

and you do not confuse civil и military technique (which we are talking about). The kitchens are different.

[Pavel57]

The Soviet system, if you look, was one big corporation. Just at the time of the State Planning Commission, linking sectoral plans was in manual mode. theoretically, now it has become possible using supercomputer power.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Pavel57

And how much was cunning with the creation of new aircraft under the flag of creating a modification of the old

it is only then to circumvent bureaucratic obstacles. They might not have given money and permission for the new OCD, but for the modernization it was quite real. Yes, and it is necessary to explain why this, just putting the aircraft into service, begin to create a new one? (this is me for the Tu-22. Tupolev had to literally re-build the aircraft, eliminating their own jambs)

[Sky strike fighter]

In Soviet times, there was no capitalist system. The state paid for everything in one way or another. Today, every ruble is counted. Now the army is looking at the performance characteristics of military equipment, and if these performance characteristics of the army are not satisfied, then it will not buy it, and therefore they are waiting for a task on the performance characteristics of military equipment at manufacturing companies, so as not to be out of work. But they also design and build without signs from above .

The development of a new deck-mounted helicopter is being carried out by the Kamova design bureau; launch into serial production is planned in 5-6 years. The exact dates have not yet been determined. Now Russian helicopter builders are preparing the first KA-65 “Lamprey” helicopter, it was his first photographs that leaked to the Internet. In the photographs, you can see that the helicopter is almost ready and flight tests can begin very soon.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/technodrive/novyi-rossiiskii-vertolet-ka65-minoga-pochti-gotov-5cf7e8719bfcfa00b1cd9a03

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Now the army is looking at the performance characteristics of military equipment, and if these performance characteristics of the army are not satisfied, then it does not purchase it

In fairness, it should be noted that satisfactory performance characteristics do not guarantee procurement. Examples - mass.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Now the army is looking at the performance characteristics of military equipment, and if these performance characteristics of the army are not satisfied, then it does not purchase it

bullshit. Counterexamples - mass. Starting from Abakan and Kalashnikov and ending with the Ka-50, Mistral, Iveco and MiGami. As before, lobbying and politics play a huge role. And TTX here in last place.

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

waiting for the task on the performance characteristics of military equipment at manufacturers

TTZ await at design companies. The manufacturer, as a rule, does not design anything. And they’re doing what they’re waiting for. Work on the basket desire is much lower than average.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

In Soviet times, there was no capitalist system. The state paid for everything in one way or another. Today, every ruble is counted.

Read the memoirs of Grabin, the artillery system designer. He has the word "money" attached to each sample.
Housekeeping was buried under Khrushchev and completely forgot about him under Brezhnev.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Fedorov

In Soviet times, designed and built without pointers on top and roach

preliminary design - yes, they could have done it on their own initiative. But not more. Because it requires a technical assignment agreed with the Customer (MO that is). It is the military who must say what they need, and not the designer to do according to the principle "I see it that way."

[knn54]

In the USSR, there was no such "gasket" as "Russian Helicopters".

[Pavel57]

A helicopter commander in MAP e?

[abc_alex]

Where did you read this? Not a single major program was made without the appropriate decisions of the "party and government." Some episodic projects could be carried out on an initiative basis. But that, without a decision from above, they began to make a helicopter, this could not be.
In addition, do not forget that in the USSR, design bureaus were state-owned, lived at the expense of the budget and so on, but salaries were paid there. And now KB is self-supporting ...

[Tiksi-3]

I read the article and did not understand why it was printed? .... nor any certainty! .... without numbers and dates ....

[alexmach]

In the sense of no certainty? Outline design has long been completed; design work has not yet begun. No one is going to produce a new deck helicopter. Everything is clear and definite.

[askort154]

Tiksi-3 I read the article and did not understand why it was printed? .... nor any certainty! .... without numbers and dates ....

And most importantly, there is already a "proud" name for him - "Lamprey".

[Pavel57]

Lamprey, would be more suitable for a Mil helicopter.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Tiksi-3

I read the article and did not understand why it was printed? .... nor any certainty!

and what is unclear? We made a preliminary design, showed it to the customer. Now it’s up to the Moscow Region - do they need such a helicopter? If necessary, the MO should issue and agree on TTZ, and then conclude a contract for the development of research and development (and this is serious and expensive, lengthy work - the design bureau will not pay for it from its pocket)

[Grits]

Development work on the Ka-65 "Lamprey" helicopter has not yet been opened
I wonder why something I was not surprised at all?

[Pavel57]

“A project has been developed for a promising high-speed vertical take-off and landing aircraft based on the rotors of a helicopter with a syncopter scheme with a pushing propeller,” the annotation to the presentation of the project says.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: rudolff

With Lamprey, everything is the same as the new anti-submarine aircraft.

absolutely for sure!

Quote: rudolff

While the fleet does not have anything left?

there was nothing to catch with such a government (Medvedev), although I’m not sure about the new one ((

[midshipman]

Great KB was. May God save him. There is information about their merger with KB Mil.
I remember in the early 80s with Gene designer S. Mikheev, we conducted flight tests in the Crimea (Solar Valley) of these of his helicopters, which were based on helicopter carriers. My ward NII-33 made a navigation and landing system on the ship and helicopters.

[prior]

Under the guise of an intriguing name: "Lamprey", "Armata", "Leader" .... "Pider" ..... and PR campaigns about the parameters of the new wunderwafe that have no analogues, there is begging and cutting of budget money.
And as a result, endless postponements, improvements ..... and you need the same banal theft.
Forgotten how to plan, forgotten how to perform ....

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: prior

Forgotten how to plan, forgotten how to perform ....

It may be so, but usually it all comes down to financing the preparation of production. There equipment, tooling, tools, personnel, etc. etc., and even the construction of new plants or industries. Moreover, sometimes, along the whole chain, starting with new materials.

[7,62x54]

5 years talking conversations

[Lexus]

There's one bullshit on the agenda. Drawings were drawn, models were made - they showed "who needs" - and that's it. Little by little, as they say. The start of the OCD will be announced, as usual, with fanfare. But later. So you can stretch one "mosol" for a long time.

[Romka]

I remembered a joke about Georgians. "What did you call your son? - The first part of the name is a note, the second part of the body
. - My foot? -
Nat. C-erysipelas!

[CBR600]

Is that in the background, behind the civilian? Only pictures are online, if this is SUPER !! Imagine the equipment in such a body-bomb. I love coaxial spacecraft. I have been interested in them for more than 20 years. Such a direction! What a pity that they did not give them new engines on time. Of course, KAMovtsy try to increase speed, it is very interesting how? It is a pity if you need a traction screw, this will ruin the whole concept. The most promising areas of helicopter engineering and such nasty support.