“We need a plane that can bomb Moscow”: Polish readers appreciate the comparison of the Su-27 and Gripen


Wanting to hurt Russia, the Polish edition of Defense 24 suddenly remembered the military exercises of five years ago. During the maneuvers conducted by China and Thailand, training fights of Thai JAS-39C / D Gripen and Su-27SK aircraft took place in the air.


JAS 39 Gripen is a fourth-generation multirole fighter manufactured in Sweden and has been in service with the Swedish Air Force since 1997. Gripen aircraft were exported to a number of countries, including Thailand, which bought 12 fighters. Eight JAS-39Cs and four JAS-39Ds make up the 701th Royal Thai Air Force fighter squadron.

The Su-27SK is a Soviet multi-role fighter, also belonging to the fourth generation, although there are twenty years of difference between it and the Gripen. The first flight of the Su-27 took place in the distant 1977. The Air Force of the People's Liberation Army of China is armed with 75 Su-27SK aircraft, most of which were purchased from the Russian Federation in the 1990s.

The four-day exercises held in 2015 revealed a number of advantages of the Swedish aircraft over the Su-27. Four years later, Colonel Li Chonghua of Northwestern Polytechnic University, considered one of the most experienced pilots of the Chinese fighter aviationpresented a special report on those maneuvers.

In conditions exceeding the visibility range of the Gripen, the Thai Air Force was several times more effective than the Su-27SK. For example, during battles modeled at distances of 50 or more kilometers, Thai pilots fired 10 effective shots, and Chinese - 0. The greatest advantages of the Gripen were demonstrated at a distance of 30 or more kilometers.


Thai Air Force Plane

However, during the battles modeled under conditions of visibility, everything turned out differently: here the Su-27SK gained a clear victory over the Thai Gripen. But successful operations in sight are not enough comfort for Chinese pilots, since modern air battles are usually carried out over long distances. Accordingly, the Su-27SK would have to suffer very serious losses before reaching a distance convenient for itself.

The Polish publication emphasizes that the Su-27 is still actually the main fighter of the air forces of both China and Russia. And this means that Western countries so far have a clear superiority in fighter aircraft. China is now seriously concerned about the potential of its air force, which needs to be improved, which was also confirmed by those joint Sino-Thai exercises.

It is clear that the Polish media are pleased to describe the shortcomings of Russian military equipment. But no less interesting are the comments of Polish experts and ordinary readers.

If this is so, as the author writes, then our entire purchase of the F35 is one big disaster. "Gripenov" would be enough for the Russians with their heads, and we would not spend so much money,

- writes one of the Polish readers.

However, someone Marcin dissuades the interlocutor, arguing that the Gripen will never be able to break through the Russian air defense, and in cost they are by no means cheaper than the F-35, which Poland buys from the United States.

From comments:

Gripen is a short-range aircraft for defense, and we need one that can bomb Moscow,

However, there are quite adequate comments. For example, user Chris draws attention to the fact that the JAS 39 Gripen was designed 11 years after the Su-27s went into production. And encourages readers not to be allowed to manipulate. Indeed, comparison of cars with such a difference in age is incorrect.

The same point of view is shared by a certain Wojmił:

Aircraft are not comparable ... Su-27 technically fought at the turn of the 1980s and 1990s (and the radars of these aircraft - the mid-1980s), and in 2008 Gripen was introduced. The structure of the radar was constantly modernized in the first half of the 21st century. 20 years of difference - in electronics it's an eternity.


It is amazing how much interest the Polish media and their readers are seeking out the shortcomings of Russian military equipment, even if they allegedly showed up at military exercises in countries as far from Poland as China and Thailand. Everything is clear and with the general spirit of the Polish audience, who dreams of a successful war against Russia. Centuries pass, but nothing changes, and in Poland, many hotheads once again dream of going to Moscow.
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  1. cniza 11 February 2020 12: 33 New
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    “We need a plane that can bomb Moscow”


    Only the one in the United States, and do not even dream of ours, otherwise you will again go into oblivion for centuries.
    1. figwam 11 February 2020 12: 38 New
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      Gripen is a short-range aircraft for defense, and we need one that can bomb Moscow

      We can bomb Warsaw for a long time, but we are not a monkey with a grenade.
      1. Starover_Z 11 February 2020 13: 19 New
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        Quote: figvam
        Gripen is a short-range aircraft for defense, and we need one that can bomb Moscow

        We can bomb Warsaw for a long time, but we are not a monkey with a grenade.

        Dreaming is not bad! So, after reading the headline, I thought, would return to the end of the war and not release Poland at the tearful request of the Western allies and Poles, without normal training and aviation, while losing more than 600 of our grandfathers and fathers!
        1. EnGenius 12 February 2020 09: 14 New
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          Remembering the Warsaw Uprising, it is easy to guess that if the Red Army would stop on the borders of the USSR and take a “respite” for several months or refuse to advance further, then the Poles would be massively disposed of in the occupation zone. Such a war scenario would have been a reality if the Allies had not agreed on a land-lease and landing in Normandy.
        2. abrakadabre 12 February 2020 12: 38 New
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          after reading the headline, I thought, would return to the end of the war and not release Poland at the tearful request of Western allies and Poles, without normal training and aviation, having lost more than 600 of our grandfathers and fathers!
          Or liberate, but following the results of the war, rank Poland as a defeated aggressor, not an ally. With all the consequences.
        3. IgorIP 20 February 2020 12: 34 New
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          Quote: Starover_Z
          Quote: figvam
          Gripen is a short-range aircraft for defense, and we need one that can bomb Moscow

          We can bomb Warsaw for a long time, but we are not a monkey with a grenade.

          Dreaming is not bad! So, after reading the headline, I thought, would return to the end of the war and not release Poland at the tearful request of the Western allies and Poles, without normal training and aviation, while losing more than 600 of our grandfathers and fathers!


          Our main goal was to quickly defeat the enemy and save millions of Soviet citizens who were driven into slavery, who were in Germany and in the territory that was once bigger. Every minute of delay cost the lives of Soviet citizens in captivity.
          The rescue of the Poles, I’m sure, was not the main goal of the Red Army ... the psheks were just lucky.
      2. Strashila 11 February 2020 13: 23 New
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        “We can bomb Warsaw for a long time, but we are not a monkey with a grenade,” and why bomb it, you just need to send them to Sinev, from the wall at the base, and everyone will calm down that they are going to drive the planes.
      3. maidan.izrailovich 11 February 2020 13: 42 New
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        We can bomb Warsaw for a long time, but we are not a monkey with a grenade.

        For Warsaw, Ikander is enough. And for those who want to bomb Moscow, there is the best in the world of air defense.
        1. Prisoner 11 February 2020 14: 06 New
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          For those who want to bomb Moscow, there is Haloperidol.
          1. cniza 11 February 2020 14: 21 New
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            Stop the straitjacket ...
          2. ioan-e 11 February 2020 16: 07 New
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            Quote: Captive
            For those who want to bomb Moscow, there is Haloperidol.

            Rectally!
      4. boriz 11 February 2020 14: 23 New
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        In order to cover Warsaw, we don’t need a plane either.
      5. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 16: 05 New
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        Why bombard Warsaw, endangering the life of a pilot? There are other delivery methods.
      6. major147 11 February 2020 16: 21 New
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        Quote: figvam
        we need one that can bomb Moscow

        We can bomb Warsaw for a long time,
        or "- and then for what! ??" recourse request
      7. white.eagle 25 February 2020 11: 40 New
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        That is why Poland needs the same opportunities. A balance of power helps maintain peace.
    2. iouris 11 February 2020 12: 43 New
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      What problems? From the territory of Lithuania or Latvia flight time is about forty minutes.
      1. kit88 11 February 2020 14: 42 New
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        Not understood. Forty minutes to Warsaw?
        1. iouris 11 February 2020 22: 52 New
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          Quote: “We need a plane that can bomb Moscow.” The end of the quote.
          Poles are on duty in Šiauliai.
          1. kit88 11 February 2020 23: 13 New
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            Oh, not every bird reaches the middle of the Dnieper.
            lol
      2. major147 11 February 2020 17: 26 New
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        Quote: iouris
        From the territory of Lithuania or Latvia flight time is about forty minutes.

        Disposable launch pads?
      3. brat07 12 February 2020 03: 20 New
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        Quote: iouris
        What problems? From the territory of Lithuania or Latvia flight time is about forty minutes.

        And then the plane (the same gripen) will fly or what will fly there? recourse
        I have big doubts.
    3. NEXUS 11 February 2020 14: 18 New
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      “We need a plane that can bomb Moscow”

      The Poles do not need an airplane; they need orderlies with a doctor. I read the comments and wonder how much ... of course it’s easier and more fun to talk about war than about peace.
      The fact that the Poles burst there is not worth a damn egg. And everyone understands this. But they write about Iskander, Sinev, and so on ... guys, more than half of those here even have no idea what war is.
      If you call a fool a fool, you won’t be smarter than that. And to fall to the level of sick people, saying, are we their Iskanders, etc. ... well, to put it mildly, not smart. The elephant does not even pay attention to the yapping Pug, because he knows his strength and the capabilities of this mongrel.
      1. Yngvar 12 February 2020 05: 21 New
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        Nevertheless, I really want to sprinkle them with at least dust ...
      2. Voyager 12 February 2020 09: 45 New
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        Andrei, talk about the case! hi
    4. Chaldon48 11 February 2020 18: 50 New
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      There are 8 cities in the USA with the name Moscow, so there is a large selection.
      1. brat07 12 February 2020 04: 36 New
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        Quote: Chaldon48
        There are 8 cities in the USA with the name Moscow, so there is a large selection.

        There is such a city - Fashintgdon.
        So, really, there are a lot of goals.
        The main thing is not to miss. Smiley emoticon!
    5. Vladimir Udovichenko 12 February 2020 07: 22 New
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      That is why it is necessary to let them in to Moscow.
  2. Zaurbek 11 February 2020 12: 34 New
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    1. For the bombing of Moscow is cheaper and simpler BRDS.
    2. Grippen NG costs $ 100K
    3. I do not think that so many Su27SK are left. Especially in the European direction.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan 11 February 2020 13: 42 New
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      For the bombing of Moscow is cheaper and simpler BRDS.


      Any Moscow missile attack will be reflected by an air defense and missile defense system, even a massive missile attack will be leveled up to the detonation of nuclear charges in the atmosphere, but the country that hit Moscow will cease to exist even before their missiles fly to our capital, because our missiles and faster and more powerful and there are more of them, and with the help of our nuclear submarines we can move them directly to the near sea zone of any country with access to the sea.
      1. Zaurbek 11 February 2020 15: 23 New
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        I compare the bombing and the strike of br ...
    2. NEXUS 11 February 2020 15: 49 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      1. For the bombing of Moscow is cheaper and simpler BRDS.

      Do the Poles have it?
      And what do you tell me if anything with a special warhead arrives at your entrance mat? Or why you?
      Before you write a "smart" post, think about what you are going to write about. You do not know what war is even close, but talk about it with the appearance of an expert.
      1. Zaurbek 11 February 2020 16: 21 New
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        Listen to those, "smart" you are ours, I answered a specific sentence: Gripen is a short-range aircraft for defense, and we need one that can bomb Moscow,. In the context of "the better to fly to Moscow," because planes will not fly.
        And comrade NEXUS, before you teach someone, go and look in the mirror. Maybe change your mind.
        Saying Comrade I will not bring Lavrov here.
        1. NEXUS 11 February 2020 16: 28 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          Saying Comrade I will not bring Lavrov here.

          Similarly to your address ... yeah
    3. EvilLion 12 February 2020 08: 18 New
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      The Su-27SK was not there, because it is an export version, as evidenced by the K. index. Soviet “drying” is actually written off in large numbers. The Chinese have newer cars, but even their J-11B should seriously surpass the Soviet developments of the 70s in electronics.
  3. DenZ 11 February 2020 12: 34 New
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    Centuries pass, but nothing changes, and in Poland, many hotheads again dream of a campaign in Moscow.
    Better dream of returning from a campaign in Moscow.
    1. bang 11 February 2020 19: 27 New
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      Better dream of returning from a campaign in Moscow.
      Eh, no, such dreams begin, as a rule, near Moscow. And there the Poles, not the tourists, have nothing to do.
  4. Vladimir_2U 11 February 2020 12: 36 New
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    However, there are quite adequate comments.
    Yes, and in the territory of such, there are, and quite often! wassat
  5. Pessimist22 11 February 2020 12: 37 New
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    Have you forgotten that we shared them three times? Bomb Moscow laughing
    1. cniza 11 February 2020 12: 40 New
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      Apparently the new generation simply does not know this, but it does not change anything ...
  6. Operator 11 February 2020 12: 45 New
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    The 2015 exercises revealed only the backlog of China in the production of air-to-air missiles SD and DB, which is why the Influenza replayed the Su-27 at medium and long distances, but lost at short distances (MD).
    1. figwam 11 February 2020 13: 12 New
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      The Su-27SK is armed with R-27ER missiles with a launch range of 80-90 km.
      In the first photo of the Su-33.
      1. Operator 11 February 2020 13: 25 New
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        I'm talking about Chinese counterparts.
        1. figwam 11 February 2020 13: 32 New
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          Quote: Operator
          I'm talking about Chinese counterparts.

          The Chinese had to buy planes and missiles, if they opposed the Gripen with only a gun, then the result is obvious.
    2. kit88 11 February 2020 15: 23 New
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      Another reason.
      There is an opinion that the Swedish JAS 39 incorporates a “CDA 39” that has no analogues, the data transmission system is much superior to the American “Link 16”, which allows, for example, to carry out an attack during a strike operation, to obtain a radar image of the target location area and transfer it to the crews of the next group of aircraft. As a result, these crews get a complete picture of the target area, beyond the visibility of their own radar. When conducting an air battle, the radar image of the target can be transferred from one Gripen aircraft to another, which turns off its radar and imperceptibly approaches the target. At the same time, the flight of a rocket launched from it can be controlled from the side of another fighter.
      There is nothing like that on the old Su-27.
      Although it was planned.
      The data transfer system for Sushki was prepared back in the 80s, but for some reason "did not go" Blocks of on-board equipment were gathering dust in ATI warehouses .. But, by the way, it was implemented on the MiG-31.
      1. Operator 11 February 2020 15: 29 New
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        It’s completely violet which aircraft radio-controlled the RVV command before capturing the target of its GOS - which controls it will be shot down.

        The problem of the Chinese RVV five years ago was different - there was no noise immunity of the GOS.
        1. kit88 11 February 2020 16: 03 New
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          So all the cheese is boron due to Chinese teachings five years ago, where Chinese Dryers were beaten by Swedes at long and medium distances.

          Interception as it happens. At the final stage, the sight captures the target, PR lights up. According to the materials of the RNS, the target is considered destroyed.
          The main one does not include. Radium missiles do not go anywhere; they are not suspended at all. Instead, there are stubs. What is the noise immunity of the GOS.
          If I’m not mistaken, in close combat, training blanks are hung there instead of the P-73, there, like the IR head of a rocket, the target should be captured. But we are not talking about the BVB, here everything is fine with us - the victory is ours.
          1. Operator 11 February 2020 16: 09 New
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            If “victories” in Sino-Thai exercises were awarded by the aircraft’s radar capture range, then in this case the RVV flight range and their available overload at this range were taken into account - it seems that the Chinese RVVs were five years old and weren’t a cake by these indicators.
            1. kit88 11 February 2020 16: 19 New
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              I honestly don’t remember, it’s not really my specialty, I have to ask the pilot if the PR will light up only when the target in the missile strike zone of the chosen suspension point? So it seems.
              1. Operator 11 February 2020 16: 21 New
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                Naturally - taking into account the range and maneuverability of the target and the missile.
              2. EvilLion 12 February 2020 08: 21 New
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                When the computer concludes that the target may be hit, do not forget about the difference in altitude and speed.
  7. Last centurion 11 February 2020 12: 47 New
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    I would call it "motivation for the exploits of potential cannon fodder" although not .. even more likely "motivation for sofa mobilization of cannon fodder." it is ... for domestic consumption on the outskirts of NATO .. ​​in all sorts of Poland, the Baltic states. But in fact ... well, let's say motivated Georgians were very quickly demotivated back :)
  8. Sergei 777 11 February 2020 12: 50 New
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    Another propaganda hype. Gripen is better then to compare with MiG 35 or with Su 30 cm.
  9. Ros 56 11 February 2020 12: 51 New
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    Poles as they were stupid, such as x oh cool, so they remained. You don’t know how to fly on normal airplanes, they ruined all your leadership, and also give you a bomber. Bomb yourself on your own stupidity.
  10. Strashila 11 February 2020 12: 57 New
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    Su-27SK, it was interesting to read the characteristics of this aircraft, everywhere there is information about the radar with the ability to detect a target for more than 100 km.
    The article claims that Chinese aircraft could not use weapons at a distance of 30 km. This is already becoming interesting.
    But if you recall that the Chinese comrades since 1998 under the name Shenyang J-11 produced this model on their own.
    The question arises, what flew, what assembly machine.
    1. thinker 11 February 2020 13: 11 New
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      PLA air force deployed multi-role fighters in these exercises J-11A early modification.
      https://topwar.ru/165945-fiasko-kitajskih-sushek-v-nebe-nad-tailandom-neizvestnye-detali-uchenij-falcon-strike-2015.html
      1. Strashila 11 February 2020 13: 17 New
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        If for us there is a difference, what it looks like and what it really is, then for the Poles it looks like a SU-27, then this is a SU-27 and nothing else, a sort of distortion of information.
        Thank you for the link.
        1. thinker 11 February 2020 13: 33 New
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          Polish author Maciej Zhopa at Defense 24, see the "big specialist" in aviation yes
          1. Strashila 11 February 2020 13: 49 New
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            There was a paid order, it was completed.
    2. 2Albert 11 February 2020 18: 57 New
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      The situation becomes clear if Grippen used electronic warfare, which, like at 30km of OLS Sushkeh, already captures Grippen as a target. In conditions of directional EW, the Su-27SK slot antenna can be suppressed by interference for aiming at the target in the front view.
  11. Yury Siritsky 11 February 2020 12: 57 New
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    Well, why are such bad people? They need an airplane to bomb Moscow. How do you like the application of these idiots. Well, nothing teaches these morons.
  12. rocket757 11 February 2020 13: 07 New
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    in Poland, many "hot heads" again dream of a campaign in Moscow.

    But to recall how that campaign, and others, ended in any way?
  13. Cowbra 11 February 2020 13: 13 New
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    It’s not Friday, but they already got drunk on firewood
    1. tihonmarine 11 February 2020 13: 29 New
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      Quote: Cowbra
      It’s not Friday, but they already got drunk on firewood

      This is their hangover. "Vyborova" is now made from sawdust.
    2. PSih2097 11 February 2020 14: 24 New
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      Quote: Cowbra
      It’s not Friday, but they already got drunk on firewood

      they smoked Chernobyl grass, purchased from non-brotherly pushers ...
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    UVB 11 February 2020 13: 14 New
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    modern air battles are usually held over long distances.
    I would like to know about at least one such battle. This is all a theory that often diverges from practice. In the 60s, it was also assumed that aerial combat would be reduced to launching missiles from a maximum range and this led to the abandonment of cannon armament for fighters. But the experience of Vietnam forced to urgently return the aircraft artillery.
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    1. Andrey VOV 11 February 2020 16: 24 New
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      There are practically no Jews left in Poland ...
  16. Jarserge 11 February 2020 13: 22 New
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    The Poles, at least their elite, are clearly not mentally healthy because they do not understand that Poland is a potential battlefield between the West and the East. With all the ensuing consequences. And West and East do not care about the battlefield .... This is not World War II or the First when they went back and forth .... And as for the choice voiced in this article, Poland is covered with medium-range missiles, there will be no one to bomb, they will not take off
  17. tihonmarine 11 February 2020 13: 27 New
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    Gripen is a short-range aircraft for defense, and we need one that can bomb Moscow
    They just forgot how many “Caliber” is aimed at Warsaw.
    1. PSih2097 11 February 2020 14: 35 New
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      the calibers are not aimed there (what we have there with the calibers for the DCBF - 4 MRK + 1 DEPL), ICBM / SLBM - yes, Iskander (performed by the head with Special Special Warheads) - also yes ...
  18. Ratmir_Ryazan 11 February 2020 13: 28 New
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    Even at long distances, Grappen’s victories against the Su-27SK are very conditional, since the Su-27SK has a missile attack warning complex, and its engine power and speed make it possible to effectively use the anti-ballistic maneuver, and then they will return and lay down the Influenza.

    In the exercises, victory was counted immediately after the discovery and conditional launch of a rocket.

    All the advantages of Grippenov were due to a more modern radar, with the Su-30/35 such a focus will no longer pass.

    And once again I remind you that the modern fighter needs maneuverability in the first place, for performing missile defense maneuvers, and lastly for close combat.

    No matter what the modern radar is on airplanes, you should not expect that such an aircraft will not be able to attack the first enemy, even if his planes are older. Since the aircraft can be aimed at the target not only by its own radar, but also by powerful ground-based radars and AWACS aircraft, and using the terrain, even a MiG-21 with a low altitude can deliver an unexpected blow to any modern fighter, up to F-22/35.
  19. av58 11 February 2020 13: 39 New
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    Poles, of course, better to know how bad weapons Russia has laughing
  20. jonht 11 February 2020 13: 41 New
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    Well, let them try .....
    I think that Poland can be divided again, once it is numb .... Yes, and the Germans will not refuse to return their territories.
  21. Pavel57 11 February 2020 13: 42 New
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    And they don’t want to bomb Berlin?
  22. knn121121 11 February 2020 13: 43 New
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    from the very old: to dream is so cheap
  23. Dima_Anlim 11 February 2020 13: 45 New
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    And not a single Pole wonders what will happen to Warsaw and Poland in general if they bomb Moscow. And it doesn’t matter which plane ....
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  25. sergo1914 11 February 2020 14: 10 New
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    Bomb Moscow. They can’t fly further than Smolensk.
    1. isergil 11 February 2020 17: 51 New
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      That Susanin, then birch ... and the whole forest, forest.
  26. Alexandre 11 February 2020 14: 18 New
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    Not soo 27 was there, but a Chinese copy of it
  27. Vladimir Mashkov 11 February 2020 14: 23 New
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    This is from inferiority. Polish nationalist radicals understand that they will never defeat Russia, but they seek out, inflate Russian flaws in every possible way and dream of the death of Russia along with Russophobes of the West. And it lasts for many centuries ...
  28. CBR600 11 February 2020 14: 44 New
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    .... and we need one that can bomb Moscow,

    Ay Pug! She is strong to know, since she barks at an elephant.
    ... a joke, a rzhunimaga ... They themselves are not funny? Credit to the author! good
  29. Maestro Alexander 11 February 2020 14: 51 New
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    It’s a pity you can’t swear.
  30. John_f 11 February 2020 15: 17 New
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    yes let me think so .... I hope only that they will never know the truth, ignorance of the enemy is the main mistake.
  31. tralmaster 11 February 2020 16: 19 New
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    In Moscow, enough of their bombs from Asia. Nothing to do there. And if you fly from an airplane like that, you still need to. And ,, Iskander ,, near at hand, if it flies back then there will be nowhere to sit.
  32. Gennady Fomkin 11 February 2020 16: 23 New
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    Wanting to hurt Russia, the Polish edition of Defense 24- “We need a plane that can bomb Moscow” laughing Quite a cuckoo. The smoldering radioactive ruins of Poland will be confirmed. laughing
  33. Gennady Fomkin 11 February 2020 16: 30 New
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    I wonder what will end sooner, the money from the Poles or the Poles themselves laughing
  34. demo 11 February 2020 16: 30 New
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    However, the Poles are not all frostbitten.
    Some manage to think with their heads.
    But the most important (from my point of view) did not sound - and what will happen after Poland tries to bomb Moscow?
    That’s probably enough to understand. that an attempt to reach the borders of Moscow will end with the destruction of most of Poland’s military and civilian facilities.
    What is the flight time of the Iskanders stationed in Kaliningrad?
    1. VladVlad 11 February 2020 16: 47 New
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      From the media, Recently, on December 19.12, 19, six aircraft abruptly dropped out of space over the city of Omsk, and after a few seconds disappeared into space. It was not a UFO !!! This is a US technique. Conducted military exercises to bombard several targets at once. The United States has an aerospace TR-3B (and its modifications and drones, there are already a lot of them) invisible to all radars. So the Poles are not sick of a "retaliatory strike", it is unlikely to succeed.
      1. SNEAKY 11 February 2020 17: 15 New
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        lol Do you still prescribe AIDS info? It’s already terribly scary! You don’t need to bomb with such technologies. Strong thoughts will destroy Russia. belay
      2. demo 11 February 2020 17: 35 New
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        Give a link?
        Where to read about it?
        1. isergil 11 February 2020 18: 16 New
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          https://topwar.ru/115585-amerikanskoe-superoruzhie-tr-3b-astra-ne-dlya-slabyh-duhom.html
          Unscientific fiction.
  35. VladVlad 11 February 2020 16: 44 New
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    Since strategic businessmen began to manage strategic enterprises, the main shareholders, in fact the owners who appropriated power at the enterprises, the country's defense has become zero. Enemies know this. This also applies to defense aviation enterprises.
  36. Romka 11 February 2020 17: 44 New
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    One fool wrote something, and seventy attacked him. fool
  37. impostor 11 February 2020 17: 53 New
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    Trolling zachotny, but Mona and in return send banter
  38. Galina schreder 11 February 2020 18: 03 New
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    Yeah, here are the stupid Poles
  39. isergil 11 February 2020 18: 18 New
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    Mal bug, yes smelly.
  40. SovAr238A 11 February 2020 19: 34 New
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    User Chris draws attention to the fact that the JAS 39 Gripen was designed 11 years after the Su-27s went into serial production. And encourages readers not to be allowed to manipulate. Indeed, comparison of cars with such a difference in age is incorrect.

    What does it mean incorrectly?
    What you have in service - and that will have to fight!
    No one will wait when and whether there will be parity at all ...

    When they stop broadcasting this nonsense ...
  41. NordUral 11 February 2020 20: 52 New
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    The number of patients per head in the countries of the former Warsaw Pact is no longer surprising.
  42. Karaul73 11 February 2020 21: 06 New
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    So let them go visit, invite. In words, everyone is bold, but they are afraid to come. In Russia there are still so many swamps.
  43. 75 Sergey 11 February 2020 22: 10 New
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    An analysis of these teachings shows that Grippen is, in this case, a platform for delivering effective means of invasion and detection.
    I do not want to praise the Su-27, but if they are equipped with the same means, their combat effectiveness will increase to the level of Grippen, but Grippen will remain the same as Grippen.
  44. East Kazakhstan 12 February 2020 05: 32 New
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    What does the plane have to do with it ??? Well, put on Su Afar and a bunch of sensors - along with weapons, he will be in trend ...
  45. shinobi 12 February 2020 09: 04 New
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    How they all want to join the winner in the war with Russia. But let only someone else fight. Forgetting that, by and large, Russia has never lost major wars. Yes, there were defeats. In local, by today's standards, small wars. But Russia always took her back.
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  47. Protos 12 February 2020 16: 03 New
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    It’s very difficult to bomb Moscow if you take off on a melted piece of aluminum from a dead radioactive wasteland laughing
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    They need pampers, not a plane that can bomb Moscow .. however, Polish industry can provide pampers - these are not planes ...