If Prometheus strikes from the sea: the possibility of a ship version of the S-500 air defense system appearing


In the photo of the S-400 air defense system (for individual readers who want to see the S-500 photo instead, contact the Ministry of Defense directly)


In 2020, the long-awaited S-500 "Prometheus" anti-aircraft missile system should enter mass production. The question also arises about the possibility of deploying a new generation of air defense systems on the ships of the Russian Navy.

The marine version of the S-500 was planned for production, but then it almost ceased to be remembered. Although previously it was reported that the ship S-500 will go into service with the designed aircraft carriers "Storm". Now they prefer not to talk about ambitious plans of the mid-2010s, and the reason for this is clear - financing.

As you know, the main objective of the S-500 is the fight against medium-range ballistic missiles. On the middle part of the trajectory of the S-500 air defense system can intercept intercontinental ballistic missiles. That is, a new generation anti-aircraft missile system should cover large cities, strategically important regions, industrial facilities and civil and military infrastructure.

The main advantage of the S-500 over the S-400 is the height of target destruction. If the S-400 has a height of 30 km, which allows you to protect objects from aircraft and missiles, the S-500 has a target destruction height of up to 400 km, which allows you to shoot down even low-orbit military satellites of the enemy. So far, the United States and its allies do not have such missiles or planes that the new anti-aircraft missile system of Russia would not be able to bring down.


DBK "Bastion"

But while the land version of the S-500 will go into service. About the ship version a few years ago they spoke with great confidence, but now their ambitions have diminished. This is due to the fact that the project of the Russian multi-purpose aircraft carrier “Storm”, on which it was planned to deploy a sea-based S-500, remains at the project stage.

Four years ago, the then Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Yuri Borisov, outlined the expected dates for concluding an agreement on the construction of an aircraft carrier by the end of 2025. Indeed, the estimated cost of the ship is 350 billion rubles, and the calculation of Indian investments after India’s refusal to purchase Su-57 aircraft did not materialize.

If the Russian Navy received the naval version of the S-500, the defense capability of our country and its protection against the risks of sudden missile and air strikes would increase significantly. After all, placed on S-500 ships could cover our sky in the main sea directions, being at a distance from the coast of the Russian Federation.

One can imagine the “joy” of the United States and NATO if Russian ships armed with the S-500 appeared on a rotational basis in the Eastern Mediterranean on a rotational basis. In this case, many of the plans and calculations of American strategists would be violated, and the presence of numerous military bases in the countries of Southern and Eastern Europe would not be so important for the United States. The very presence of the S-500 Prometheus air defense system could minimize the effectiveness of the NATO grouping in the Mediterranean.


The strategic importance of equipping S-500 Prometheus air defense systems with ships is also recognized by foreign military experts. So, Joseph Trevitik writes that the marine version of Prometheus would compete with the US Navy Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense mounted on Arleigh Burke class destroyers. Trevitik emphasizes the special importance of the ZRKS-500 for protecting the western borders of Russia on the border with European countries - members of NATO, as well as for ensuring the security of the eastern borders of the country from potential risks associated with Chinese policy.

But the creation of the marine version of the S-500 rests on two key problems. The first is financing, which was mentioned above, and the second is the slow time for the general modernization of the ship structure of the Russian Navy. After all, it is not enough to develop and release S-500 air defense systems - they must be installed on ships. Which ones? One can only hope that sooner or later there will be funds in the budget for the development of the ship version of the S-500, and then the defensive potential of our country will increase significantly.
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  1. Uncle lee 11 February 2020 08: 30 New
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    The marine version of the S-500 was planned for production
    Apparently a good thing! Sorry to put nowhere ...
    1. kapitan92 11 February 2020 08: 38 New
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      An article about Prometheus. and in the first two photos "Bastion" !?
      1. Stalllker 11 February 2020 09: 07 New
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        There is no Prometheus in the "metal", but something needs to be shown
        1. Krasnoyarsk 11 February 2020 11: 30 New
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          Quote: Stalllker
          There is no Prometheus in the "metal", but something needs to be shown

          How not, if his trials are completed?
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Apparently a good thing! Sorry to put nowhere ...

          Fucking capitalism. If Owls. Power, would give a monthly pension, in stages, for the construction of a destroyer under the "Prometheus".
          1. bayard 11 February 2020 16: 25 New
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            Quote: Krasnoyarsk

            Fucking capitalism. If Owls. Power, would give a monthly pension, in stages, for the construction of a destroyer under the "Prometheus".

            Until this destroyer / cruiser still survive, it is necessary to grow ... evolutionarily. Now we are just trying to resume the construction of 22350+, and then only in the summer we will find out whether the power plant turned out for it.
            The 22350M is just being designed and the technical project is not ready yet, just like the power plant, for it, but even when it goes into production, it cannot be the S-500 carrier. Most likely there will be the same "Polement-Redoubt" with extended ammunition.
            The carrier of such a powerful air defense complex can only be a VI ship of more than 10 tons, but least of all in this role I would like to see the Leader destroyer with a nuclear power plant - it’s too expensive and technically difficult to build, and even more so, to maintain (in - at least 000 - 4 pcs.) will be simply ruinous for the state.
            The optimal carrier is the cruiser \ destroyer VI 12 - 000 tons. On gas turbines - 14 GTA M000FR with a capacity of 4 l / s for this would be quite enough. A kind of equivalent 90 Chinese, or a gas turbine version of the "Leader", which was offered in the VI 27500 055 tons.
            But it is necessary to grow up to such a ship evolutionarily - having mastered such projects as 22350 and 22350M in production, so that a certain continuity of experience in the implementation of complex technical solutions appears.
            How many such ships does the fleet need?
            Ideally - 10 pcs. : 4 things. at Pacific Fleet, 4 pcs. on the SF and 2 pcs. at the Black Sea Fleet.
            In the economy version, you can get by with 6 copies - 3 for each of the main fleets.
            And in fact, the S-500 itself must first be obtained at least for land-based air defense / missile defense in more or less acceptable quantities in order to cover the main areas, and there, God forbid, shipbuilders will be ready to build carriers for it.
          2. Stalllker 12 February 2020 01: 39 New
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            Tests of the system as a whole or its individual components? !! As I did not see in the "metal" chassis + radar assembly, show me a photo of at least one pair of the finished system
        2. NEXUS 11 February 2020 14: 30 New
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          Quote: Stalllker
          There is no Prometheus in the "metal", but something needs to be shown

          There is a prometheus in the metal ... it is being tested.
          As for the marine version of this complex, here it is necessary to take into account the size of the launcher for such missiles and for this complex to work correctly with the guidance and targeting systems of the ship, which is not so easy to do. Example-Poliment-Redoubt.
          1. Stalllker 12 February 2020 01: 40 New
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            There is a rocket, there is a radar. The components have been tested. Show me photos of future technology ?! That's when it will be rolled across the red square, then you will be right, and so sorry))
      2. kapitan92 11 February 2020 23: 34 New
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        Quote: kapitan92
        An article about Prometheus. and in the first two photos "Bastion" !?

        Less than 5 hours later, and the author corrected the photo in the article.
        Ilya Polonsky! (author), one had to think earlier, and not then "wave a saber"!
    2. Vladimir_2U 11 February 2020 08: 41 New
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      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Apparently a good thing
      True, the Iskander with cruise missiles or the Bastions are depicted in the first two photos for some reason, and the latter looks like Caliber.
      1. kind 11 February 2020 08: 52 New
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        Did you want to see Prometheus here in detail ???
        1. Vladimir_2U 11 February 2020 08: 54 New
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          Well, even if the S-300-400 would be depicted. All the same, air defense / missile defense and cruise missile missiles are very different. )))
    3. Alex Nevs 11 February 2020 09: 29 New
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      The article "If only" .... it will be GRANDFATHER
      1. bessmertniy 11 February 2020 09: 47 New
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        However, the problem must be considered. Maybe there are bright heads that will offer an interesting solution. No need to criticize the author so sharply, who decided to dream a little. repeat
  2. Tiksi-3 11 February 2020 08: 33 New
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    In 2020, into mass production should to enter the long-awaited anti-aircraft missile system S-500 "Prometheus
    ».
    the author writes about the marine version, which IS NOT yet available, and discusses which ships to put it on and how cool it is to be on a regular basis in the Mediterranean ... the author does not have a marine version and if it appears, then no earlier than 24-25 years, so why bother to garden and drive people into the “harlot"?
    1. kjhg 11 February 2020 08: 51 New
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      Quote: Tiksi-3
      .author - there is no marine version, and if it appears, then no earlier than 24-25

      Tiksi-3, yes you are a hopeless optimist, I look
    2. Whalebone 11 February 2020 09: 04 New
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      The author does not understand that in the absence of serious KMGs, and preferably AUGs, no Prometheus will save the ship itself, on which it was installed, if there was a mess that was different from the accidental launch of ICBMs (and this has never happened before)
      1. BARKAS 11 February 2020 09: 30 New
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        Can it be easier and cheaper to make a universal launcher?
        1. bayard 11 February 2020 16: 37 New
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          The missile from the S-500 will not enter the universal. Neither in size nor in resistance to starting loads - a very powerful engine will require original solutions to launch, such as a mortar launch and rocket deflection before starting the sustainer engine. Otherwise, it will burn \ sweep away everything from the deck and superstructure.
          So, she will have her own PU - the original one, and in the BC there must be 16 - 20 of them, otherwise there is no need to venture.
    3. Xnumx vis 11 February 2020 10: 33 New
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      Quote: Tiksi-3
      how cool it is on an ongoing basis in the Middle-earth to be her ..... the author - there is no marine version and if it appears, then no earlier than 24-25 years, so why bother to garden people into the “harlot”?
      Put in Syria to cover the base of the Russian Navy in Tartus and the cover of the Air Force Base of Russia in Khmeinim ... What are the moans, about the cookies of Madame Nuland? And in general it is not known how the repair of the cruiser Peter the Great will go ... And what will appear there!
  3. Ratmir_Ryazan 11 February 2020 08: 34 New
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    Why on the aircraft carrier "Storm" S-500 ?! A short-range anti-aircraft defense is sufficient on an aircraft carrier, since it is easier to provide escort ships at medium and long-distance air defense than to push everything into the aircraft carrier’s hull, making its production more expensive and over-complicating it with unnecessary complexes and making it even more explosive.

    An aircraft carrier is just an airfield, which we can move from our borders to any point in the world’s oceans except the territorial waters of different countries.

    The S-500 will be the sea one and will put it on the cruiser pr.23560 with a nuclear power plant that can carry out military service for months and years (the crew can be changed at the same time directly while on duty), but so far not up to them, we would have pr22350M in life to realize and establish serial production, bring the corvettes to mind, and then it will be possible to start the project of a cruiser with a nuclear power plant and S-500.

    And now to talk about the marine version of the S-500 only shake the air. Until mass production of destroyers pr.22350M about cruisers and aircraft carriers has been established, it is better not to stutter once again.
    1. Tiksi-3 11 February 2020 08: 41 New
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      S-500 put on cruiser pr.23560

      belay EM became a cruiser ?? wassat
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      we would have implemented project 22350M and set up mass production

      belay we would complete all 22350 pieces and lead to the fleets))
      1. rudolff 11 February 2020 08: 59 New
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        The leader is indeed a cruiser rather than a destroyer.
        1. Tiksi-3 11 February 2020 09: 00 New
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          Quote: rudolff
          Leader really

          he is not from the word at all and he is EM. We will adhere to a single classification
          drinks hi
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan 11 February 2020 09: 14 New
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        EM became a cruiser ?? wassat


        Project 23560 with a displacement of 20 tons is conditionally named a destroyer, in terms of armament power, water displacement and destination, and as a receiver of Project 000 Orlanov, it is a full-fledged cruiser.

        But pr. 22350M is a destroyer, almost analogous to the American Arly Burke.

        we would complete all 22350 pieces and lead to the fleets))


        The ships were mortgaged, the money was allotted, a part has already been built. What are the doubts ?!
        1. Tiksi-3 11 February 2020 09: 35 New
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          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          What are the doubts ?!

          you ask - I answer - The deadline for the delivery of the lead nuclear icebreaker of project 22220 Arktika has again been called into question. As it turned out, during the mooring tests at the Baltic Shipyard, a propeller motor on the right shaft failed due to a short circuit. If engine replacement is required, this can seriously affect the deadline of the ship. and such problems can often come out at all, a full replacement for Ukrainian gearboxes, etc. is not yet available
      3. Nikolaevich I 11 February 2020 13: 49 New
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        Well, yak diths are not reasonable! To whom to pour 23560, and to that give 22350M! And you give the "third alternative"! It was not so long ago that the adyn glorious comrade suggested the S-500 to be installed at the APRK SN! I’m so crazy ... that entot tovarisch since then was not in vain flies scaring on the couch! And he dispersed his project proposal already to "hypersound"! Why not invite him "to the studio"? S-500 in a submarine (!) ... hurt yourself! And even more so, they somehow solved the question: what to do with the nuclear submarines that are going to be scrapped! There were lots of offers! Who is so much! Which of the submarines proposed to build a missile base of the Kyrgyz Republic at the bottom of the sea-ocean .... but then no one knew about the S-500! Or maybe just tepericha ... "ripen mash, ripe tomatoes"? what
    2. mark1 11 February 2020 08: 55 New
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      About the aircraft carrier and the S-500 on it I agree with you 100%! The gamers probably put you cons, any toy is a joy to them, it doesn’t matter if it is in place or not.
    3. Stalllker 11 February 2020 09: 10 New
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      Yes there is not just an aircraft carrier !!! "Shock group" all rolled into one))) we like to build such "cars", and even cheaper
  4. AAK
    AAK 11 February 2020 08: 44 New
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    S-500 on the Storm, it’s the same as a 12-inch port tug. This is the "far hand" complex and its place - either on the future (someday) "Leader", which, according to the proposed set of detection / destruction tools, is not a destroyer, but a pure air defense / missile cruiser for AUG / KUG, or on "Peter" / "Nakhimov" in the course of modernization. Even for the 22350M it is too large, the marine version of the S-350 / S-400 is quite enough there
    1. rudolff 11 February 2020 09: 05 New
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      All right. 22350M will occupy a niche between the frigate and the destroyer and Prometheus is redundant for him. Well, judging by the latest news, we will not see the Leader in the current decade for sure.
  5. Lipchanin 11 February 2020 09: 00 New
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    Indeed, the estimated cost of the ship is 350 billion rubles, and the calculation of Indian investments after India’s refusal to purchase Su-57 aircraft did not materialize.

    This is about the issue of selling weapons
  6. Whalebone 11 February 2020 09: 02 New
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    Regular pearls from Polonsky, because your fingers don’t get tired. What kind of ballistic missiles fired from the side of NATO ships in the middle part of the trajectory could intercept Prometheus sea-based in the Mediterranean Sea ??? Tridents? From Gibraltar, Ohio will begin rocket fire, and in the Cyprus area the lone ship of the Russian Navy will defend the borders of the Motherland. One. In the NATO Sea. Just like a Varangian with a Korean. Or did the author decide Prometheus to bring down the Tomahawks from the Berks and Ticonderoges? And what “competition to Aegis" can make Prometheus? Aegis, what, is it sold at a military store? What can anyone buy it? And Prometheus too?
    Another inappropriate pathos about the “collapse of plans, increasing defense capability” and there is no event. From the word at all.
    1. Boa kaa 12 February 2020 01: 37 New
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      Quote: Whalebone
      What kind of ballistic missiles fired from the side of NATO ships in the middle part of the trajectory could intercept Prometheus sea-based in the Mediterranean Sea ??? Tridents?
      You will be surprised, but in the case of TMV Trident II D-5 will start from the Mediterranean Sea, because at least 2 Ohio-type SSBNs graze there on an ongoing basis. And the areas of combat patrols are known to us and we punched them there, personally participated when he served at the TAKR "Kiev". Perhaps the French will participate, maybe. one submarine, t. Triumfan, with the 16th ICBM type M51.1 / 51.2 with 6 warheads of 100 Kt each. will participate, because 1 Frenchwoman is also present there. Maybe now the Tennessee SSBN from the Mediterranean Sea is aiming at the nuclear centers of Iran, the very Trident II D-5 with low-power warheads. Who knows that?
      Quote: Whalebone
      From Gibraltar, Ohio will begin rocket fire, and in the Cyprus area the lone ship of the Russian Navy will defend the borders of the Motherland. One. In the NATO Sea.
      Why from Gibraltar? They graze in the Balearic Sea and somewhere in the eastern part of Wed. seas ... Nearby our ships with sea Prometheus as part of the KMG / KMN are also deployed ... The ships of the Mediterranean flotilla are also present there, because This is a strategically important region of the World Ocean for the Russian Federation.
      Quote: Whalebone
      Aegis, what, is it sold at a military store? What can anyone buy it?
      Of course, they cannot buy anyone, but Japanese EMs like “Congo” and “Atago”, Korean EMs like KDX-III, Norwegian Fr. such as "Fridtjof Nansen" and the Spanish Fr. type "Alvaro de Bazan" have them in service. And the coastal version is also ready to be delivered to Poland, but so far the misters of the Nem pennies!
  7. Timon2155 11 February 2020 09: 02 New
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    The entire article is from the author's assumptions and conclusions. On the photo-bastion and caliber. If yes, if values ​​are zero, do not waste time.
  8. Maks1995 11 February 2020 09: 05 New
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    I read the comments ....
    Indeed, this is not, this is not, so why empty the drive ....
  9. rocket757 11 February 2020 09: 11 New
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    Ships, with serious air defense, it wasn’t superfluous before ... so long-range, universal - i.e. expensive complex, missiles, perhaps, but all the same if necessary. Ships in general need comprehensive protection, from many threats !!! This all takes up not too much space on ships, so a reasonable balance is needed ... besides, how it will fit into the doctrine of fleet use!
    Those. have questions??? To specialists in the profile.
  10. Pushkowed 11 February 2020 09: 12 New
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    On the middle part of the trajectory of the S-500 air defense system can intercept intercontinental ballistic missiles.
    ICBMs in the middle section can rise above 1000 km (and the S-500, according to the article, no more than 400 km). All missiles operate only on the terminal portion of the trajectory. A promising and tempting tactic is to influence them on the accelerating section of the trajectory, but to realize this is very difficult. To do this, the anti-missile carrier should be near the launch point of the ICBM, i.e. right under the nose of the adversary. (The Americans are trying to teach their SM-3 to work on ICBMs and keep Aegis carriers near our shores and "bastions", but success while modest). But on the middle part of the trajectory you can shoot down ICBMs only with the help of the space echelon of missile defense (and so far it is just beautiful pictures).
    1. Whalebone 11 February 2020 10: 31 New
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      The author is not exchanged for trifles. The main thing is that NATO is already afraid, plans have collapsed, competition has intensified. Victoria is behind us)
  11. polar fox 11 February 2020 09: 27 New
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    as in the cartoon "last year's snow fell" ... a scene with a hare ...
  12. Spiridonovich2 11 February 2020 09: 29 New
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    A chicken in the nest ... And the Armata tank, which has no analogues in the world, and the SU-57 aircraft, surpassing all 5th generation aircraft, and the Vostochny spaceport, the replacement of Baikonur, and nuclear destroyers with aircraft carriers, were designed and built to cut the budget . The output is zero and there are no perpetrators, and there are no "innocently repressed." Unas permissible democracy.
  13. Amateur 11 February 2020 09: 38 New
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    ship S-500 will go into service of the designed aircraft carriers

    When the "projected" aircraft carriers really need air defense / missile defense, the S-999 version will be ready.
  14. KCA
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    And what is the supply of missiles for the sea-based S-500 needed to reflect the launch, at least, 56 “Axes” from “Burke”? And the author claims that he will crush a whole group, well, add a hundred more missiles, there will be a group of 3 destroyers, not a cruiser or AUG, in the worst case the enemy has 150 missiles, well, somewhere around 400 cells will be needed, plus another cell under anti-satellite missiles, they are obviously larger in size, is there enough to place so many cells on the Ford take-off deck?
    1. Whalebone 11 February 2020 10: 32 New
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      S-500 against Axes can not. But these are trifles, the main thing is that it has no analogues)
      1. Boa kaa 12 February 2020 02: 06 New
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        Quote: Whalebone
        S-500 against Axes can not.

        Maybe, with its non-aircraft part: Radar 91N6AM, SAM 40N6M.
        Quote: bayard
        not a single S-400 \ 300 missile will be needed either.

        It will take to disperse the E-2D, EW aircraft.
        Quote: bayard
        they have something new.
        There is. Universal SM-6 for 200 miles (380km) MC with 2,5M supersonic sound. In January 2016, a decommissioned target frigate FFG-57 was drowned during testing. Since 2018, it has been mass-produced. The Navy ordered 235 units. The company Reytheon produces, which for 2019-2023 received $ 1,0 billion. And this is serious: the missile is universal and flies through the N-ballistics, and does not crawl on its belly like Harpoon.
    2. bayard 11 February 2020 17: 10 New
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      Quote: KCA
      And what is the supply of missiles for the sea-based S-500 needed to reflect the launch, at least, 56 “Axes” from “Burke”?

      None . yes
      I will probably disappoint you, but not a single S-400 \ 300 rocket will be needed either. wink
      Just the profile of the flight of the axes is low altitude, 50 - 150 m. They will drag over the surface, and on the approach to the target even lower - 10-15 meters.
      But for what purpose? smile
      They did not have anti-ship axes.
      For a long time there are no such. yes
      And that is - for work on stationary purposes in the firmament of the earth. wink
      So what will we fight back from?
      ... they have something new.
      Subtle.
      Subsonic.
      Low altitude.
      But anti-ship.
      But a surface ship will not have to shrug off such a misfortune not with long-range S-500 \ 400 and 300 bludgeons, but with a completely melee ZR - "Calm", "Shell-M", "Redoubt", and even those with frigates and corvettes there are pieces. And already on the destroyer (!!! hypothetical) and even more so.
      fellow bully
      1. KCA
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        “Tiki” and “Berks” are standing, and they are going to fire a volley at our bases in Tartus and Hmeimim with a couple of hundred “Axes”, and in Tartus there is our mega ship with the S-500, but it doesn’t work in the Kyrgyz Republic, how then
        “The very presence of the S-500 Prometheus air defense system could minimize the effectiveness of the NATO grouping in the Mediterranean.”
        1. bayard 11 February 2020 18: 56 New
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          Quote: KCA
          “Tiki” and “Burke” are standing, and they are going to fire a volley at our bases in Tartus and Hmeimim with a couple of hundred “Axes”

          What distance are they at?
          I mean, of course, you can wait for a salvo of “a couple of hundred axes,” or you can anticipate it. yes
          Therefore, I ask, what is the distance?
          If within 500 (or even 800) km. , then even a hypothetical ship will not have to be attracted - just a dozen volleys of “Onyx” are enough and there will be no one to shoot with axes.
          Quote: KCA
          and in Tartus there is our mega ship with S-500, but it doesn’t work in the Kyrgyz Republic, since then

          Maybe it’s worth (hypothetically ... someday), but it will put all the axes on the water surface of the electronic warfare. Checked - lie down as cute. If one of the axes escapes such a fate, it will still be disoriented in space, because JP will not work, or it will simply give out ... fantastic coordinates ... for example, Haifa instead of Hmeimim. wink Or Ingerlick ... repeat
          And after such a swine no in response, everything that is supposed to fly fellow ... in the ammunition depots of the miracle ship you described, coastal missile systems, and on the suspensions of combat aircraft.
          It will be fun to drown - with a twinkle.
          This is if the missiles really will be fired at Khmeimim and Tartus. yes
          And why do you need the presence of S-500 missiles in the arsenal of an imaginary ship ... I just find it difficult ... Why do you need it?
          Bullet on satellites?
          Well ... you can of course.
          In war - even justified.
          But if according to ICBMs and BMBMs, then you need to catch them either on take-off (at the booster stage), or at the very goal of their flight. But in the middle section it doesn’t work out in any way - infections fly high.
          Well, covering the targets themselves with a ship is stupid, it’s simpler than usual - to put the S-500 land complex on is two orders of magnitude cheaper. smile But if you hit reptiles on take-off, you need to send the "super thorn" to the North Atlantic and the Pacific Ocean - exactly to the places of combat duty of their SSBNs and ... if the enemies do not sink, bravely shoot down the launch rockets to the last bullet.
          ... a bewitching sight ... lol
          But now, off the coast of Syria, such a ship, with such a task, DO NOTHING. smile
          S-500 is a missile defense system.
          Against BALLISTIC rockets.
          And not winged.
          Which are not rockets at all, so are small planes ... I would even say - UAVs ... smile But ordered to call rockets.
          They will call the mouse an Elephant, and then they are surprised that it can only eat large grains.
          A mouse ... It’s supposed to be beaten with a SLIP rather than an anti-tank weapon ... or a falconry to have fun - that is, to give them (mice / KR) to the fighter aviation.
          hi bully
          And as always ready for educational program.
          1. KCA
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            Of course, I also believe in the capabilities of our electronic warfare and anti-aircraft defense, but one thought is gnawing - well, the United States wouldn’t shoot the latest Axes in some Syria, they’ll be apiece or more, they scraped the very first missiles from the garbage can series, they worked
            1. bayard 11 February 2020 23: 33 New
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              Most likely, these were the fresh Tomahawks at the UVP of the American destroyers when an order was issued to strike against Syria. Therefore, they beat them with what was available from ships in the region. And if the operation had been planned ahead of time, you could of course recycle those CDs that were being prepared for cancellation, that is, carry out utilization by shooting at real targets.
              But just the fact that the rockets were new does not allow us to say that the rockets were old and fell / flew off the wrong way themselves.
          2. Boa kaa 12 February 2020 02: 18 New
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            Quote: bayard
            S-500 is a missile defense system. Against BALLISTIC rockets. And not winged.
            Likbez: S-500 implements the principle of separate solution of missile defense and air defense problems. It is capable of destroying gas tanks of the Kyrgyz Republic, aircraft and UAVs with a V of more than 5 m, SD SD and BB ICBMs; to protect the OBK from the aircraft AWACS, electronic warfare. It has an anti-aircraft and anti-missile unit with its own radars and missiles.
            1. bayard 12 February 2020 02: 57 New
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              Yes, I know this, I myself am a former air defense officer. Just as a means of air defense, the S-500 is the longest arm for high-priority purposes. Its positions will always be covered by a short-range air defense system - “Thor” or “Shell”, and so they will dismiss low-altitude targets that are squeezing to the ground. And his goals
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              BR SD and BB ICBMs; to protect the OBK from the aircraft AWACS, electronic warfare.
              , tankers, BTA aircraft, high-altitude scouts, hypersonic (and hence high-altitude) devices. In a word of everything, which is not a pity for expensive missiles.
              But fighter aircraft and S-350s are much more effective against missiles such as axes and their heirs (thanks to missiles with AGSN capable of hitting targets below the radio horizon for its radar), and for illumination and guidance it is advisable for them to have a DDR aircraft in the sky.
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              Likbez:

              I had this educational program in the mid-80s.
              1. Boa kaa 12 February 2020 09: 53 New
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                I had this educational program in the mid-80s.

                A colleague, (at the expense of educational program) do not consider it to be rudeness, but:
                1. they asked for it, but I foolishly bought;
                2. as said the character of Mironov in "Ordinary Miracle": - We must warn! (with).
                Sincerely, Boa.
                1. bayard 12 February 2020 11: 08 New
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                  they asked for it, but I foolishly bought;

                  This was a statement of readiness to continue the educational program. smile
  15. spectr 11 February 2020 10: 08 New
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    It is doubtful that in the near future there will be a sea-based S-500. For her, the locator must have good power in order to provide the necessary accuracy at extreme ranges. With such power, the military, after a year of another service, next to such an installation, if it is operated on a ship, will go ashore with disabilities.
    It is necessary to change the principles of the radar.
  16. 257950 11 February 2020 10: 22 New
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    Etozh from where the author has such accurate data - "S-500 has a target destruction height of up to 400 km." Were the real launches at their current height? Wishful thinking!
  17. Maxim364364 11 February 2020 11: 20 New
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    Not a specialist, just the opinion of a layman - given the declared target height of up to 400 km, which is 10 times more than the S-400, the missile to put it mildly should not be small in size, so even on such a huge creature as an un-built leader Storm, their ammunition will be very limited . The picture of the article is generally Iskander. In general, it is logical to assume that the launch of the S-500 will be with two “pipes”, it simply will not pass more in weight and dimensions.
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