To you Pompeo with a visit. About hassles on national soil in Kazakhstan


Last Friday, tragic events occurred in the south of Kazakhstan, in the Kurdai district of the Dzhambul region. As a result of the riots, 11 people died, 30 private houses, 15 objects of trade, 23 cars were burned, 47 people were arrested, 12 thousand people (mostly women and children) fled to neighboring Kyrgyzstan.


Bloody drama in the villages of Kazakhstan's Dungans


The village of Masanchi, where the tragedy occurred, is considered the unofficial capital of the Central Asian Dungans. In Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan there are not so many of them - about 40 and 55 thousand, respectively. The main part of the ethnic group (about 10 million people) lives in the border areas of neighboring China, speaks Chinese and differs from the titular nation of China in that it has been practicing Islam for centuries.

Kazakhs always regarded the Dungans with a certain degree of mistrust, considering them Chinese. In the new century, tension between ethnic groups intensified. The fact is that the Dungans are better adapted to modern economic difficulties.

They firmly settled on the land, fertile and scarce, among other things, in this overpopulated region of Kazakhstan. In addition, the local Dungans have established fairly strong ties with their Chinese fellow tribesmen. At the expense of them they took control of the “flea market” of Alma-Ata.

By the way, after the massacre in Masanchi and neighboring villages, a heated crowd of ethnic Kazakhs gathered to go to smash the Alma-Ata flea market, but people who controlled the process did not allow it.

The authorities interpret the beginning of the conflict differently. In one case, it is said that it began between a patrol crew and a local driver who was hiding from a chase in the courtyard of the house. The intruder’s family met the police aggressively and stoned. After that, about 300 Kazakhs arrived in Masanchi, who committed the pogrom.

According to another version, the conflict began due to a domestic incident in which the 80-year-old elder suffered. He had to be promptly taken to a hospital in Almaty with the help of a sanitary aviation. The Kazakhs decided to punish the Dungan. The domestic conflict has grown into interethnic. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, about a thousand people took part in it.

Where did sinophobia come from?


However, the conflict also has a political base. At one time, President Nursultan Nazarbayev opened the country to Chinese business. The Chinese willingly came to Kazakhstan, credited his projects, but they undertook to execute them themselves. Chinese firms brought their workers in, set them higher pay than local workers. On this basis, fights began to periodically arise, reports of which quickly spread throughout Kazakhstan.

Labor conflicts in Chinese firms laid the fertile ground for national self-identification. The authorities of the republic decided to drag a blanket over themselves storiesas if Kazakhstan is the direct and main successor of the Golden Horde. Along the way, a degree of nationalism was blown up. From here came the sinophobia in the republic, which no one really hides.

The current president of Kazakhstan, Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev, has tried to balance on these sentiments. On the one hand, he demanded that foreigners and local workers receive equal pay. On the other, he played along with the opposition nationalists, saying that "disagreement is not necessarily destructive."

He came to us, he came to us ... Mike Pompeo dear


Against such an emotional background of the nation, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo came to Kazakhstan. The overseas guest did not hide the purpose of his visit: to drive the largest possible wedge into the relationship between Nur-Sultan and Beijing. As usual with the Americans, Pompeo, in addition to the country's leaders, met "with the public."

In this case, these were ethnic Kazakhs from China, whose relatives were allegedly in “political re-education camps” in Xinjiang. At a press conference with the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan, Mukhtar Tleuberdi, Pompeo called on the authorities of the republic "to provide asylum to those who want to flee China."

At other meetings, the American guest clicked on the fact that Chinese investments in the long term harm the development of Kazakhstan, as "they turn into costs in relation to sovereignty." In contrast to China, Pompeo exhibited America. He assured, "the best results are obtained when countries enter into partnerships with American companies."

Like Trump, the Secretary of State excitedly praised the United States: “You get honest deals. Get new jobs. Get transparent contracts. You get companies that care about the environment and an unrivaled commitment to quality work. ”

In Nur Sultan there was still a lot of similar rhetoric. The owners reacted to her restrainedly. They did not want to quarrel with neighbors. The opposition is another matter. In the past six months, it has replenished powerful figures knocked out of the power elite and even entire clans. Tokaev replaced them with a “young Oxford shoot” that speaks English better than Kazakh. Even without work and life experience, but completely immersed in Western values.

The old frames did not want to leave without a fight. They curtsied Pompeo and demonstrated their strength to Tokaev, having started a pogrom of the Chinese ethnos in Kazakhstan. Now the authorities have taken control of the situation. Calling the Dungan from Kyrgyzstan back home. The society is convincing that there was only a domestic conflict in Masanchi.

Someone believes this, someone does not. We are not talking about the nationalistic moods of local Kazakhs at all. So, this infection can again manifest itself as pogroms. After all, you can’t hide the fact that people appeared in Kazakhstan who are interested in such a policy. After the visit of Secretary of State Pompeo, they now have someone to lean on.
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  1. Vasily Ponomarev 10 February 2020 20: 52 New
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    here is the author and revealed the insidious plan of villains, now he can be given a hero star for exposing "bloody imperialism"
    1. businessv 11 February 2020 21: 22 New
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      Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
      here is the author and revealed the insidious plan of villains, now he can be given a hero star for exposing "bloody imperialism"

      For you this, apparently, is news, unlike other residents, I am not talking about Soviet people. I was born and raised in Kazakhstan, in Almaty, but I had to leave due to the futility of further development and career growth of my children. Nationalism in Kazakhstan has always been, especially in places remote from large cities. It was not for nothing that it was in Alma-Ata that the first national performances were in 1986, then it was the capital. But the Dungans and Uighurs who emigrated from China were never persecuted, on the contrary, everyone tried to help them because they came to an empty place empty-handed! Moreover, many political and “unreliable” (Germans, Western Ukrainians, etc.) were exiled to Kazakhstan under the Union, so everyone felt obligated to help the needy people. As for the "cunning plans of imperialism," it is not news to anyone that the states live on the principle of "divide and conquer." They do this all over the world, receiving instead of cut paper with portraits of the deceased presidents, quite real resources of the countries to which they are delivering their democracy with the hands of local corrupt "opposition", and sometimes with tanks and planes.
  2. Lamata 10 February 2020 20: 55 New
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    and Mr. Granovsky was and lived in Kazakhstan, to draw such serious conclusions? hostility between the Dungans, Uinurs on the one hand and Kazakhs on the other hand has very old roots. And modern national policy in the Republic of Kazakhstan suggests creeping Kazakh nationalism.
    1. Zymran 10 February 2020 22: 54 New
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      This village was still under the USSR, and I’m sure even under the king there were clashes between Kazakhs and Dungans.
      1. Chaldon48 10 February 2020 23: 14 New
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        However, in the days of the USSR, everyone considered themselves Soviet people, and then Kazakhs, Russians, Kyrgyz people, and this united people and there was still hope for a bright future, and what now, to snatch more for yourself personally and hide it on a “black” day. So he came.
      2. Serg65 11 February 2020 10: 51 New
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        Quote: Zymran
        This village was still under the USSR, and I’m sure even under the king there were clashes between Kazakhs and Dungans.

        There were no skirmishes not under the king, not under the Soviets, do not fantasize!
        1. Zymran 11 February 2020 11: 44 New
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          Of course they were. Constantly young people went to the crowd. Under the USSR, for sure
          1. Serg65 11 February 2020 11: 50 New
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            Quote: Zymran
            crowd to crowd

            crowd on the crowd, it was in the order of things and did not give it a national flavor!
            1. Zymran 11 February 2020 12: 01 New
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              When on the one hand there is a crowd of Kazakhs, and on the other hand a crowd of Dungans, this in any case has a national taste and aroma. They did not attach because in the USSR there could not be national conflicts, as well as maniacs, prostitutes, and others say that sex. laughing
              1. Serg65 11 February 2020 12: 07 New
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                Quote: Zymran
                They didn’t attach because in the USSR there could be no national conflicts

                My friend Zumran, we had a crowd against the crowd during the school years with the Turks, and our fathers ate vodka and pilaf together .... is, as you put it, a national conflict?
                1. Zymran 11 February 2020 12: 10 New
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                  So, Sergey, in a couple of months, Kazakhs with Dungans will also eat pilaf under speeches about friendship of peoples and hospitality and that all Muslims are brothers. Even the Jews are now normal towards the Germans.
                  1. Serg65 11 February 2020 12: 24 New
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                    Quote: Zymran
                    in a couple of months, Kazakhs and Dungans will also eat pilaf under speeches about the friendship of peoples

                    Maybe so, and maybe bleed like in Osh and Ferghana! A small nation is very convenient for provocations, no one will stand up for a small nation!
                    1. Zymran 14 February 2020 11: 29 New
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                      I agree, only to drive that there was no interethnic conflict either under the scoop or under the tsar.
      3. Albina Yakovleva_5 11 February 2020 11: 08 New
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        And what prevented the Chechens in N. Uzen when the Kazakhs burned and robbed their houses and shops? most likely the Chechen store did not lend a bottle of vodka to the frostbitten unemployed. and it didn’t take a stick to start a fight. not a gun ... but the carnage was terrible .. Chechens were taken to the airport for armored personnel carriers. From New Uzeni, they began to threaten to Aktau, so that the Russians and Tatars would get out ... well, we were locked in apartments
    2. sevryuk 10 February 2020 23: 10 New
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      There can be no nationalism without a nation; at best, we are talking about ethnocentrism.
    3. Nait 11 February 2020 06: 49 New
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      And what did he write wrong in terms of knowledge of the Republic of Kazakhstan?
      Maybe Pompeo didn’t like it, because indeed, local nationalism is gaining momentum.
      ..
      Recently, the natspaty ran into the workers of a Chinese cafe who just wanted to bring beautiful
      dragon down the street on his New Year.
      Children would definitely be very interested.
      Prior to that, they thwarted the Kazakh-Chinese wedding.
      It’s even a shame that it was in Almaty:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smrEqjGy-mA&has_verified=1
  3. Sergey Olegovich 10 February 2020 20: 56 New
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    In the post-Soviet space, another hot spot may appear. And again, in the conflict, besides the local elite defending some personal interests and ambitions, the Americans will be guilty with the idea of ​​quarreling between Kazakhstan and China.
    1. Lamata 10 February 2020 21: 18 New
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      The point is unlikely to appear, the Kazakhs are able to act clearly and tough. And even in China, it is the Uigurs and Dungans who constitute the opposition to the Han Chinese in the Xinjian of the Uigur region.
  4. DMB 75 10 February 2020 20: 57 New
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    The overseas guest did not hide the purpose of his visit: to drive the largest possible wedge into the relationship between Nur-Sultan and Beijing. As usual with the Americans

    I would add, drive a wedge between Russia, China and Kazakhstan. For this he came-divide et impera ... Divide and conquer ... Old as the world.
  5. Graz 10 February 2020 21: 06 New
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    A priori, those who came to kill and burn in a strange house are to blame, it’s without options, Kazakhstan can step on the same rake of nationalism as Ukraine
    1. cherkas.oe 10 February 2020 21: 33 New
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      Quote: Graz
      Kazakhstan may step on the same rake of nationalism as Ukraine

      Yes, Kazakhstan has been dancing on this rake since the late eighties. My dear uncle, who devoted fifty years to raising the industry and enlightening the republic, was forced to leave Almaty in ninety-fourth and with tears wondered how democracy was changing people. And my father told him: “No, Nikolai, this is not democracy, but the consequence of what else seventy years ago they ate gophers and they did not have a written language.
      1. Talgat 148 11 February 2020 04: 01 New
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        Tell the Russian-speaking Almaty residents this !!))))
        https://youtu.be/UHzOcOsQQ24
    2. Was mammoth 10 February 2020 21: 47 New
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      Quote: Graz
      A priori, those who came to kill and burn in a strange house are to blame, it’s without options, Kazakhstan can step on the same rake of nationalism as Ukraine

      Spontaneous performance. Sure no. There are organizers and patrons. "Switchmen" will be. But ...
      Name at least one of the "fraternal republics" where nationalism is not supported by the authorities. Is that Belarus is somewhat apart. Ordinary nationalists are cannon fodder for those who came to power on the wreckage of the Soviet Union. Surprise not, but the Kazakhs were the first on this path. It was December 1986.
      PS Pompeo then did not know for sure where there is such a land-Kazakhstan. wink
      1. Serg65 11 February 2020 10: 55 New
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        but the first on this path were the Kazakhs. It was December 1986.

        And then who was in Pompeo's place?
        1. Was mammoth 12 February 2020 00: 55 New
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          And then who was in Pompeo's place?

          Is the US Secretary of State fundamental? Then and now? Pompeo, Schulz, or someone else.
          It is important that in 1986 the true organizers remained in the shadows. You can only indirectly "point with your finger." Give it a try. wink The same thing will happen with the organizers of the pogroms in Masanchi.
          1. Serg65 12 February 2020 07: 00 New
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            It is important that in 1986 the true organizers remained in the shadows. You can only indirectly "point with your finger." Try

            Yes, and there is no need to try! In the 86th, the role of Pompeo was collegial and in this role were played ... by name ... Gorbachev, Chebrikov, Feddorchuk, Razumovsky, Kolbin, Miroshnik, Nazarbayev of these seven three KGB officers in high ranks + Secretary General of the CPSU, Secretary of the Organizational Department of the Central Committee CPSU, First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Kaz.SSR and, well, Chairman of the Council of Ministers of Kaz.SSR ... moreover, Nazarbayev played a significant role in these events!
  6. knn54 10 February 2020 21: 18 New
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    Georgia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan:
    -No pro-Russian forces. Power relies on young people with a Western education. Opposition TOTAL under the Yankees.
    -No relationship with China.
    Interestingly, the first Osh conflict began with the fact that the Uzbeks allegedly beat Kyrgyz old people.
    Now about the reasons.: It is necessary to carefully understand. For it does not happen that only one side is 100% to blame. Otherwise, it may reach the Maidan.
    1. Serg65 11 February 2020 10: 58 New
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      Quote: knn54
      The first Osh conflict began with the fact that the Uzbeks allegedly beat Kyrgyz old people.

      Osh events were preceded by twin-Ferghana massacre!
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    1. Simple 10 February 2020 21: 38 New
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      For this video, please do not put “likes”.
      1. Humpty 10 February 2020 22: 29 New
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        Quote: Simple
        For this video, please do not put “likes”.

        Syria? White helmets? Video about what? Where is filmed and when? Whose Rob is this? Where are the Chinese there? Who are the relatives admitted to the territory mourning for? What happened there at all? In fact, something happened that sooner or later there should have happened to someone. Design jamb. Takeaway - even this - this is your personal jamb. What does it have to do with Shortyub and Masanchi.
        1. Humpty 11 February 2020 06: 58 New
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          Quote: Simple
          For this video

          Because I didn’t receive an answer to my questions, with best wishes, I urge you to apologize to the readers of the Military Review in the next hour or two for the rude and ridiculous fake you have posted. In writing.
          1. Simple 15 February 2020 12: 56 New
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            request

            It is in your best interest to sort out what happened.
            You want to believe in this case in "white helmets" your right.
            And about the quick response. since I’m not in the service here and I don’t owe anything to anyone - in this case, to justify before you for this video - what happened in this video. is, first of all, your problems.
            1. Humpty 16 February 2020 16: 09 New
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              Quote: Simple
              It is in your best interest to sort out what happened.

              Naturally in ours, already understood. Soon a couple of months as. We managed without us.
              1. Simple 16 February 2020 20: 48 New
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                I read your message.
                Please accept my apologies for the dissemination of misinformation on this site.
                There was no intention of mine.
                I think it is correct if Kyrgyz officials contact the owners of the YouTube online platform by demanding to immediately remove this video.
                I am glad that such an action did not actually happen.
                1. Humpty 17 February 2020 07: 15 New
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                  Quote: Simple
                  Please accept my apologies

                  Accepted .
            2. Serg65 17 February 2020 07: 06 New
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              Quote: Simple
              so I’m not in the service here and owe nothing to anyone

              Yes, no, most likely in the service, if I were not in the service, I wouldn’t throw such rubbish!
              Quote: Simple
              I don’t owe anything to anyone - in this case, to justify before you for this video - what happened in this video. is, first of all, your problems.

              good Ah well done, you knowingly lied, and now you yourself figure it out!
              So who are you after that, sir?
        2. Serg65 11 February 2020 11: 04 New
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          this is your personal cant

          This is not a jamb Sasha, this is the usual paid inciting ethnic hatred based on lies!
          hi Hello my friend!
      2. Serg65 11 February 2020 11: 02 New
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        Quote: Simple
        For this video, please do not put “likes”.

        Hey, you, you laid out for garbage? Request to the moderators to remove this .. and it’s difficult to call a person, remove him from the site for inciting ethnic hatred !!!
        1. Simple 15 February 2020 13: 02 New
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          Your upbringing, I would say, is lame. Or nerves?
          1. Serg65 17 February 2020 07: 00 New
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            Quote: Simple
            Your upbringing, I would say, is lame.

            Who would talk about education here? You post a full-fledged video, designed for fools and at the same time dulling your eyes, asking ...
            Quote: Simple
            For this video, please do not put “likes”.
            1. Simple 17 February 2020 23: 50 New
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              You post a full-fledged video, designed for fools and at the same time dulling your eyes, asking ...

              Your conclusion is far from the truth, except "full of lies movie"

              Hear you.

              Hamish treatment.
              A decent person should apologize.
  8. kind 10 February 2020 21: 27 New
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    There is still a Dzungarian gate - a passage from China to Kazakhstan. In Soviet times, this passage was closed by a machine gun and artillery division. The width there is 10 kilometers. The density of fire would be crazy if the Chinese were advancing on this site. I don’t know how it is now.
    1. Humpty 10 February 2020 21: 41 New
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      There is still a Dzungarian gate - a passage from China to Kazakhstan.

      There is still Borovoye and a place where Guryev’s porridge was cooked before. At the expense of all kinds of gates, there are now more of them due to the improvement in the quality of roads, you can go from China to Kazakhstan in different ways, depending on where you need to. For example, from China to Dzhambul - daylight hours in passenger cars.
    2. Lamata 10 February 2020 22: 30 New
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      No way there now
    3. Talgat 148 11 February 2020 17: 49 New
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      Battalion, opulab.
  9. Humpty 10 February 2020 21: 30 New
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    The fact that Pompeo convinced the Kazakh leadership to spoil together is quite obvious. But he certainly didn’t fly on a broomstick. The data provided for refugees seems exaggerated. All killed are Dungans. The police intervened after about a day (+ -). Summer hour by helicopter from Almaty. It’s still in the area where almost every bush in the Kazakhs proudly walk machine gunners. Yes, on the towers they guard the district for barbed wire, there aren’t enough accordions, so I would have gotten some harp. By the way, with this barbed wire, the approach of the inhabitants of many Kazakh villages to the border river, near which once the Russians and Dungans founded their villages, is likely. it is very nice, they themselves asked to go. In Kyrgyzstan, for example, they did not think of such a genius idea. Circled by patrols, where it makes sense, and as before, swimming, barbecue, fishing, in places with a pass.
    The article, although it contains inaccuracies, which is not surprising, but from the multitude of what I heard and read lately more or less adequate IMHO. Both the Kazakh authorities and commentators provide a couple of fantastic versions of what happened.
    Let's see how the authorities will continue to react, who will be punished, what terms will be given, how they will compensate.
    1. Zymran 10 February 2020 22: 44 New
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      There is one Kazakh among the dead. In general, to tie here the visit of Pompeo is to pull a famous product on the globe. Initially, the conflict occurred due to the Dungans beating the old man, the Dungans themselves admit this. They also started to hang out on the cops who took up this business. Thanks to mailings on instant messengers, Kazakhs gathered a lot of people and went to take revenge. It is not clear who first started shooting. The number of refugees is a maximum of 4000 and many begin to return.
      In general, there are persistent rumors that the conflict is somehow connected with the redistribution of spheres of influence of the local mafia engaged in smuggling. Those. Of course, the very beginning of the conflict was accidental, and then some forces picked it up and saddled it.
      Then, dissatisfaction with the Dungans accumulated for a long time, for example, local residents argue that corrupt cops resolve most of the conflicts in favor of the Dungans. For example, this is not the first beating of an old man by the Dungans, plus locals claimed that the Dungans raped and killed (burned) a Kazakh graduate and did not suffer punishment.
      1. Humpty 10 February 2020 23: 03 New
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        Quote: Zymran
        Initially, the conflict occurred due to the Dungans beating the old man, the Dungans themselves admit this. They also started to hang out on the cops who took up this business. Thanks to messenger mailings, Kazakhs gathered a lot of people and went to take revenge

        You have not been seen for a long time. You never know whom you can feel a deep hostility, this is not a reason to go to kill and set on fire. Cops - so late? There, in theory, you can’t push through them on ordinary days. I know these villages well. I’m not sure that there were 4000 refugees, I don’t want to ask friends in Tokmak, where some of the victims got to the hospital, alas.
        We will see how the authorities of Kazakhstan will solve the problem further; I do not want to draw any hasty conclusions.
        1. Zymran 11 February 2020 09: 39 New
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          I do not condone the pogroms, just connecting them with a visit to Pompeo is stupid. It is also obvious to any person who is at least familiar with conflict management that a trigger event, i.e. in this case, the beating of an old man is never a cause of conflict, it only provokes it.
        2. Serg65 11 February 2020 11: 15 New
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          I don’t want to ask friends in Tokmak, where some of the victims got to the hospital, alas

          I asked Milanfanskih, people are sorted into Milyanfan, Ivanovka, Tokmok, Aleksandrovka ... whom are relatives, whom people just go home ... the Dungans are in full swing, and most importantly they can’t understand why ... the old man, cops and other fantasies are only speculation!
          1. Humpty 11 February 2020 11: 42 New
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            the main thing they can’t understand why

            Try to open the "Squirrel", read what they compose. This is how ambitious lovers of London grants from Alma-Ata interpret it, they say that it was not the Kazakhs who organized the pogrom, it was the Kyrgyz who arrived, brought weapons, organized the pogrom and killings. Where then they went is not known.
            1. Serg65 11 February 2020 11: 44 New
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              Where then they went is not known.

              laughing Through the tunnel under Chu, they returned to Tokmak !!!
            2. Zymran 11 February 2020 12: 01 New
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              Shaw eat protein?
              1. Humpty 11 February 2020 12: 40 New
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                Quote: Zymran
                Shaw eat protein?

                White sail. Your lovers of London buns will often defecate there.
                The fact that I have on my phone opinions about what has happened from a number of people with your citizenship is already beyond the limit, though nothing new and unexpected. The usual militant tribalism.
          2. Zymran 11 February 2020 11: 46 New
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            The old man and the cops are pure truth, which is confirmed by the Dungans themselves.
            1. Serg65 11 February 2020 11: 53 New
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              Quote: Zymran
              which is confirmed by the Dungans themselves.

              Today I talked with those Dungans ... it seems to be, yes, as it were, people are talking ... no one really said!
              1. Zymran 11 February 2020 11: 59 New
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                About the old man:
                We found the house of the old man who, after a conflict on the road, ended up in a hospital with injuries. Tolegen Kudashbaev is under 80 years old. Members of his family met with hospitality, invited to tea. Now Tolegen-aga is undergoing treatment in Kordai, he is being prepared for surgery. Relatives said that grandfather - an asthmatic, a disabled person of the second group, survived five operations, and are worried that the sixth can not bear. Kudashbaev has five sons and three daughters. Nurlan Kudashbaev is one of his sons. He still walks with a hematoma and bruises around his eyes after that fight on the road.

                “At 11 a.m., my brother and I drove my father to the hospital in Sortoba. A truck blocked our road. A man came out and kicked the number of our car, the number fell off. I went out and asked, why are you kicking? After that, another ran up behind me, grabbed me and began to choke me. Then I saw people from the service station by the road connecting to a brawl. We were beaten by a crowd of Dungans. At this time, his father went out on crutches and wanted to separate, he said: “stop!” He did not have time to approach, as one Dungan from the start kicked him in the stomach, his father rolled. The brother began to raise his father, at that moment he was hit with a stone on the head. He is in the hospital now. Then a district police officer passing by called an ambulance and called for calm down. Sister's husband and sister arrived. One of the Dungans wanted to pounce on his sister, and then even with the police officers called me on the field to continue to fight. For three days we were dragged to the ROVD (police department of the Kordai region). Moreover, we were taken back to those moments when people from the region came to the village and held meetings on this incident, ”says Nurlan Kudashbaev. When asked how many participants in the fight, the man replied: "About ten, four, I definitely identified."

                “Actually, this is not the first such case,” Nurlan’s brother Seitjan comes into conversation. - The local government is inactive. Someone is putting pressure on the power structures of Kordaysky [region], which is why we (the residents of Karakemer) are constantly to blame for any conflict. ”

                The same opinion is expressed by other residents of Karakmemer. “I can’t say anything about the unrest, I didn’t participate, I was not in the village that day. But conflicts and fights were before. But they (the residents of Karakemer) are almost always to blame for them, ”says Erlan, a resident of Karakemer. - Even if one of ours is beaten, asked to calm down, not to make noise, so as not to cause ethnic conflict. We endured. But how much can you? If a theft or other crime happens in Masanchi, policemen immediately appear in front of our doors (in Karakamer). Even if this (crime) someone from Masanchi committed. Last year, two Kazakh teachers were beaten at a school in Masanchi. They were asked not to make noise, not to complain. They said no noise is needed before December 16 (Independence Day). Well, and besides, no one wants to lose their job, they said nothing, endured, as always. And in the case of the beating of a shawl (old man), there was a meeting on the highway where people simply demanded that those responsible be brought to justice. And then where are the others? There were not three, but eight people. Why aren't they being detained? No boss then answered. If they didn’t touch us, and if they touch us, would they receive punishment (by law), would we be indignant? I would like to be correctly understood: no one here (in Karakamer) divides people by nationality. Russians live in our village. And they are better than many Kazakhs. They married Kazakh women, go to church in Tokmok, and nobody tells them anything. ”

                https://fergana.agency/articles/114964/
                1. Serg65 11 February 2020 12: 18 New
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                  Zumran, you are a smart person!
                  Quote: Zymran
                  A truck blocked our road.

                  Why blocked? Well, the truth is, why did the truck block the road? Pick up a car? So they didn’t take it! Rob? Also no! Just a beat? For what? Nothing to do?
                  Quote: Zymran
                  At this time, his father went out on crutches and wanted to separate, he said: “stop!” He did not have time to approach, as one Dungan from the start kicked him in the stomach, his father rolled.

                  Again, knowing the piety of the Dungans and their respect for the elders, even for non-Dungans ... I somehow hardly believe it!
                  Quote: Zymran
                  For three days we were dragged to the police department (police department of Kordai district)

                  But this is interesting! Those. a case must be instituted in the Kurdai District Department of Internal Affairs! This case, really a document shedding at least some ray of truth, and not the Fergana agency, which has stained itself with many fake news!
  10. Cowbra 10 February 2020 21: 46 New
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    Another opinion:
    However, in reality, everything, as usual, is noticeably different. There is no “Pompeo hand” in what happened. There is an ordinary household. At the intersection, a private car violated traffic rules and tried to break away from the local traffic cops' car. During the chase, the offenders drove into the village and took refuge in a private house. Relatives and neighbors were indignant at the attempt by the traffic cops to detain them. The clash quickly went through a phase of elevated tones, then threats and resulted in a direct fight.
    But the fact that a completely local domestic incident turned out to be the fuse of local mass attacks on representatives of the Dungan diaspora (Chinese Muslims who fled from China to Central Asia in the XNUMXth century) indicates the persistence of very significant internal social tension in Kazakhstani society. Which is closely related to national and clan contradictions. And they are so strong that they demonstrate a willingness to break out from the slightest spark.
    This is important to understand when speaking about the prospects for integration processes within the EAEU. Because any agreements with the government of Kazakhstan do not mean agreements with all its clans. These are agreements with only the most dominant at the moment. If he has problems with internal stability, The position of Kazakhstan in the Eurasian Union may radically change. Up to the exact opposite.
  11. Prisoner 10 February 2020 21: 54 New
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    This Pompeo is directly from the Taida ad- "Are you still boiling? Then we will go to you." Just the opposite. "You have not boiled yet? Then we will go to you."
  12. mavrus 10 February 2020 21: 54 New
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    Quote: Lamata
    and Mr. Granovsky was and lived in Kazakhstan, to draw such serious conclusions? hostility between the Dungans, Uinurs on the one hand and Kazakhs on the other hand has very old roots. And modern national policy in the Republic of Kazakhstan suggests creeping Kazakh nationalism.

    I do not know about creeping Kazakh nationalism in relation to the Chinese, but in relation to the Russians it is.
    And not in the south, but in the Kastanai (Kustanai) region, where Kazakhs could be counted on the fingers before. My relatives there were in bulk (my father hails from there), so almost all the youth had already fled to Russia ...
    1. sevryuk 10 February 2020 23: 13 New
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      Nitsche, will return ...
      1. Talgat 148 11 February 2020 04: 07 New
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        They would return, at least to bury the elderly!
        Young people are leaving for Russia, the States, Europe, and their parents are leaving us. The neighbors bury, sometimes they don’t know Russian traditions, they bury them according to Muslim .....
  13. axiles100682 10 February 2020 22: 30 New
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    They dragged one by one to the other, the other to the third and issued the version. 1. Pomepeo, in my opinion, has nothing to do with it at all. 2. Kazakhs of the southerners are not liked in the rest of Kazakhstan.
  14. Boar38 11 February 2020 02: 58 New
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    Skirmishes on a national and religious basis in Kazakhstan are not the first time .. Among my friends there are Russian refugees from Kazakhstan ... All post-Soviet republics that separated from Russia built their sovereignty on nationalism, so that the United States could only warm up what Nazarbayev had brewed
    1. Talgat 148 11 February 2020 04: 04 New
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      The refugees are funny! Watch videos about Almaty or Nur-Sultan! Look at what your pseudo-refugees fled from!))
      Funny to god!
    2. Serg65 11 February 2020 11: 20 New
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      Quote: Boar38
      Among my friends there are Russian refugees from Kazakhstan

      Did you run away?
  15. Vyacheslav 1967 11 February 2020 03: 34 New
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    All conflicts on ethnic grounds always always have a provocative character. Look for a goat provocateur.
  16. Raymym bek 11 February 2020 05: 20 New
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    To begin with, the American has the same attitude to the events in Masanchi as Medvedev has to the events of let’s say, in Zhanaozen. There was a conflict, and it was provoked by the Dungans. After beating the old man and clashing with the police, 3 days later, representatives of the Kazakhs went to the village of Masanchi in order to make complaints to the Dungan elders. At the entrance to the village were stopped by a group of young Dungans armed with sticks and armatures. There was a skirmish, during which the Dungans opened fire on the Kazakhs, and they abandoned their cars and fled back. Further - feeling the “victory”, the Dungans began to smash the cars left on the road and burn them: they still stand there, burned down. The Kazakhs left, but returned at night and set fire to the Dungans.
    The authorities talk about the dead Dungans, but they are silent about the dead Kazakhs. If the Dungans at the level of their elders would solve this problem when it is clearly ripe, there would be nothing and the visit of the Yankees would not have been noticed.
    1. Pessimist22 11 February 2020 05: 41 New
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      And for this they killed a dozen Dungans and burned thirty houses and shops? According to what concepts they do this, did the elders say so?
      1. Raymym bek 11 February 2020 10: 45 New
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        Yes, unfortunately dozens of Dungans were killed. In revenge for the murder of several Kazakhs. And note that in both cases the Dungans themselves provoked: they fought, resisted the police and used weapons against the peaceful delegation. I do not condone the Kazakhs, but the fact remains: the Dungan provoked the conflict, and the police showed their powerlessness by not extinguishing the wick immediately.
    2. Albina Yakovleva_5 11 February 2020 10: 56 New
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      Well, the old man wasn’t beaten .... he was sitting in the car when a fight began between his sons and the attackers. the old man got out of the car leaning on a cane to separate the fighters. in this scuffle he was hurt, a lot of it is necessary for the old man with a wand to fall. fell damaged the process of the femoral neck. finger-sized bone. this process can be broken even with a sharp turn in such an old age. naturally he couldn’t go, he was transported .. but they gave the situation with his grandfather as a beating for the severity of the version
    3. Serg65 11 February 2020 11: 39 New
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      Quote: Raiym bek
      After beating the old man and clashing with the police, through 3 days, representatives of the Kazakhs went to the village of Masanchi

      Why is it so early? Che not in a week? Do you even understand that the Osh and Ferghana massacres began in exactly the same way? So the question arises .. who benefits from the conflict in Masanchi? Who wants to make a gesheft on this?
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        Quote: Serg65
        Who wants to make a gesheft on this?

        They started among themselves for their own reasons, but in London they checked out the possibilities. A dung is already being thrown over the fence; someone in London is rubbing his paws.
  17. Boozer 11 February 2020 08: 48 New
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    After the arrival of Pompeo, our weather turned bad .... According to the logic of the author, we must wait for Putin to arrive, so that the weather clears up.
  18. Albina Yakovleva_5 11 February 2020 10: 49 New
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    There will be many negotiators soon .... is that just left after the departure of the guests?
  19. Nait 11 February 2020 13: 02 New
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    Quote: Talgat 148
    The refugees are funny! Watch videos about Almaty or Nur-Sultan! Look at what your pseudo-refugees fled from!))
    Funny to god!

    What is funny to you?
    FIVE villages were destroyed, dozens of houses and cars were burned.
    Pogroms and Morodism.
    10 corpses and a crowd of people (dozens of) in hospitals in heavy condition.

    There were really thousands of refugees, because the police could not protect them.
    And what does Almaty or Astana have to do with it?
    ..
    Pogromists will always find how to justify their actions.
    And another sign of pogroms is that the authorities look at it through their fingers.
    What happened here is an incomprehensibly slow reaction to an obvious problem.
    I do not believe that the local police there DOESN'T own the situation there.

    Hundreds of people participated in the pogroms.
    If 10-20 “heroes” are planted, this will be a sign that the authorities are not
    wants to go against militant "patriots".

    And yet, this means that these are not the last pogroms.
    There will be others.

    Again it will be like in the 90s - they will poke you on any everyday problem,
    that you live on their land ....
    Although in RI, the Kazakhs themselves asked.
    And if it weren’t for RI, the land from Semirechye to the East Kazakhstan (including) Kazakhstan would not have existed now.
    But this is not patriotic to recall.
    1. Talgat 148 11 February 2020 18: 06 New
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      Read carefully do not hysteria!
      It is written about Russian refugees, so it’s funny.
      Have you had any pogroms !? I have never burned Caucasians !? Central Asian! ??? Forgot!?
      Do you have any patriots! ???
      If we had not joined the RI, there would have been more of us! Kazakhs halved in the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR! So do not raise the topic, about the fact that you taught us to read and write and all of us built us!
      Tell these tales to neighbors in a communal apartment!
      And in general, you are already sick, you Natsik first-class hate everyone, not one people that you respect, you are all low-grade!
      You don’t know history, you just shove your own version to everyone, and Kazakhstan is the heiress of the Kazak Khanate, which in turn is partly split off from the Golden Horde! So it would not be necessary to have the Seven Rivers! Would you have Orenburg, Omsk, Saratov, Tyumen!
  20. Nait 11 February 2020 13: 30 New
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    https://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/kordayskiy-konflikt-8-tyisyach-kazahstantsev-vernulis-391184/
    Kazakhstanis who massively crossed the state border with Kyrgyzstan after the events in the Kordai district of Zhambyl region are returning to their homeland. This was stated by the new akim of Zhambyl region Berdibek Saparbayev, the correspondent of Tengrinews.kz reports.

    "Over the past three days, many of our citizens fled to Kyrgyzstan. In these two days eight thousand citizens returned. Since yesterday, all kindergartens and schools have been operating normally. Outlets are operating, "Saparbayev said at a government meeting.
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    Information about the mass border crossing by Kazakhstanis appeared in the Kyrgyz media on February 9. 24.kg reported that for February 8 Kyrgyz-Kazakh border crossed at the Ken-Bulun-Road checkpoint 4 thousand people.

  21. frizzy 11 February 2020 19: 44 New
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    Yes, the Russians are to blame! They taught the Kazakhs to drink vodka, and the drunk Kazakh is terrible. His sales are afraid of Chechens !!!)))))
  22. Nait 12 February 2020 08: 58 New
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    Quote: Talgat 148
    Read carefully do not hysteria!
    It is written about Russian refugees, so it’s funny.

    I will not hysteria, I have stated the facts.
    It was necessary to quote what you answer.
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    Slavs only in 1994 left half a million.
    These are certainly not refugees, but living at that time was not comfortable while your national identity was growing. A total of 90 million left Kazakhstan from the 2.5s.
    So there’s nothing funny - for any country, the loss of such a percentage of a high-quality population would be a tragedy. There was no tragedy - the industry (where these people worked) had already convinced by that time,
    and the authorities were not up to it.
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    If we had not joined the RI, there would have been more of us! Kazakhs halved in RI and the USSR!

    The census suggests the opposite.
    In addition, the nomadic economy simply did NOT imply a large population.
    For it, the population, is growing in cities.
    Also, every 10-15 years there were natural famines due to droughts.
    So there is no need to whistle about the fucking population growth, which supposedly violated RI.

    Quote: Talgat 148
    and Kazakhstan is the heir to the Kazak Khanate; in turn, it is part of the breakaway from the Golden Horde! So it would not be necessary to have the Seven Rivers!

    Quote: Talgat 148
    Would you have Orenburg, Omsk, Saratov, Tyumen!

    Nomads of sheep grazed to the Arctic Circle - this does not mean at all that these lands
    should now belong to their descendants.
    At that time you were hollowed from all sides.
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    Quote: Talgat 148
    You don’t know history, only you shove your version

    You know a lot of her.
    I guess he taught from the textbooks?

    Dzhungars have been hammering Kazakhs for a hundred years, the borders reached modern Astana at some time.
    It all lasted for the Dzungar Manchurians (Chinese) did not cut to the root
    literally. The Chinese, and not the brave warriors (as you are taught) closed the Dzungarian issue for the Kazakhs.

    And these lands from the Seven Rivers to the Eastern Republic of Kazakhstan (including) belonged to the Dzungars at that time.
    After the defeat of the latter by the Chinese, they considered them OWN (Chinese).
    But the discrepancies of the khans prudently requested in RI.
    Did you watch how the procedure of placing the khan on the throne during the time of RI?
    Well, until the khanate was canceled at all?
    And why all this to "independent" khans? -
    After the adoption of Russian citizenship, the ceremony was held near Orenburg in the presence of border authorities. It lasted three days Khan knelt down and pronounced solemn oath of allegiance to Russia, kissed Al-Quran and put his stamp on the jury sheet. Then 21 shots were fired from the guns, drumming and music sounded. They put a sable coat and brocade cap on the khan, handed a golden saber and an imperial letter, gave gifts to all those present. During the feast, they drank wine for the health of the emperor and the new khan, after dinner a ball was given.


    After the defeat of the Dzungars by the Chinese in 1755.
    Seven Rivers moved to China ...
    However, like the whole of East Kazakhstan ...
    For descendants, the Dzungars are the original Dzungar lands, for the Chinese, these are Chinese,
    for Kazakhs, Kazakhs — but how did they become them, who returned them to them?

    The Russian Empire treacherously annexed these lands from China ....
    Russia forced China to sign the humiliating St. Petersburg treaty.
    The border of Kazakhstan was drawn without the participation of batyrs, khans ....

    The agreement was signed on February 12 (24), 1881 in St. Petersburg, by the diplomatic agent of the Qing Empire in Russia, the Minister in the UK and France, Zeng Jijze on the Qing side, and the Comrade of the Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Head of the Asian Department Nikolai Girs and the Ambassador of the Russian Empire to China Yevgeny Butsov with the Russian side.
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  25. Nait 12 February 2020 09: 32 New
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    And yet, about patriots - Russians in Russia do not have their territorial and political subjectivity.
    The Bashkirs, Tatars ... have it, but the Russians do not.
    They are afraid of offending other nations with something.
    The country does not make a difference between Russians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, for example, in the issue of granting citizenship.
    So these "patriots" here timidly raise this topic - in order to at least somehow indicate the status
    state-forming nation.