Great Russia, but no one to work!

Great Russia, but no one to work!

A seemingly paradoxical situation is emerging in the labor market. On the one hand, unemployment is falling, and on the other, a shortage of personnel is growing in many sectors. Both in the lower and middle management, and among specialists with higher education. But, experts say, with our approach to training this was predicted twenty years ago.


On the siding


Yes, in the last three years, unemployment rates have been slowly but surely creeping down. If at the beginning of 2017 we had an anti-record - 5,6% of the working-age population were overboard of official economic relations, now it is 4,6%. It seems that the numbers are not scary, but in people it is 3,5 million people!

Note that these are the estimates made by Rosstat according to the methodology of the International Labor Organization (ILO). The official trifle officially registered in employment service bodies is a mere trifle - 684 thousand people, or only 0,9% of the labor force. Why is there such a difference in estimates of unemployment? Everything is simple. Most of the unemployed do not see any reason to register with the employment service.


And above all (this is only in the first place) because the benefits are ridiculous. For 2020, the government set a minimum amount of 1,5 thousand rubles per month (!!!), a maximum of 8 thousand (this is only for those who had a very high salary before leaving). Secondly, they rarely can provide real assistance in employment of the labor exchange. The offered vacancies, or rather salaries and working conditions, are simply an abuse of legislation, common sense and human dignity. Repeatedly checked by my friends.

Judge for yourselves: it is not in vain that those 1,4 million vacancies that are offered in employment services, with three and a half million unemployed, remain unclaimed. And this история not one year. Decent jobs are snapping up like hotcakes before the ad even appears in the official database.

And yet, overall unemployment, as we see, is declining. Question: why, if our economic growth, frankly, is very modest? Some experts believe that the whole thing is to reduce the number of people of working age. According to the Accounting Chamber, since 2006 it has decreased by 9% and amounted to 82 million people.

In fact, things are even worse. The joint venture of the Russian Federation gave data for the middle of last year. And according to the latest estimates of the Federal State Statistics Service (selective monitoring was conducted), at the end of last year people of working age (from 15 to 72 years old) numbered 76,2 million people. Think for yourself how much our labor potential has decreased, taking into account 72-year-olds.


Leaving the market for older workers will further exacerbate the problem of staff shortages, even despite raising the retirement age. Everyone knows that very often employers perceive the elderly as ballast, which must be disposed of (if there is a replacement) or transferred to less paid posts.

For the state is not offensive?


The Government of the Russian Federation annually sets quotas for the attraction of foreign labor. For 2020, for citizens of visa-free countries it is defined as 105 thousand people. These are not those migrant workers who come to Russia on their own, buy a patent and work, as a rule, at the lowest-income jobs, because they have no education or have a minimum professional education.

Relatively speaking, these are janitors. Here is another matter. To work, say, on the rig, we need both special knowledge and experience. Here people already have some kind of knowledge and experience base, because it is not in vain that companies pay a lot of money to the invitation of each such specialist.

It is no coincidence that 96,5% of the 105 thousand people are skilled workers. Basically, they are attracted to large investment projects. In particular, this year they are waiting for them at the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, the Power of Siberia gas pipeline (remember the National Treasure advertisement?), The West Siberian petrochemical complex for the deep processing of hydrocarbons and others.

Is it a shame for the power? Is it really poor to prepare your specialists for such projects? And will our people really refuse to work on the construction sites of the century, to create the "national treasure"? Especially for the considerable salaries that they are offered? Or still do not offer? Maybe the point is not so much that the professionalism of workers from neighboring countries is higher, but that they can be paid less?

However, it is not always possible to replace our specialists with foreign ones. The other day there was a plot on TV from the Krasnodar Territory. There are not enough more than one and a half thousand school teachers. It is clear that mainly in the countryside, far from the resorts. In the whole country, the shortage of such specialists is about 14 thousand. What guest workers compensate for this shortfall? And with what knowledge does a person come out of school in a big life, where one teacher teaches Russian, physics, and singing?

I personally at one time studied in such a rural school. We must pay tribute to both the federal and regional authorities. The federal program “Zemsky Teacher” has appeared, which, among other “gingerbreads,” provides for 1 million rubles of financial assistance for teachers moving to the countryside.


Photo: st-vedomosti.ru

In some areas, local authorities are also throwing something else. Moreover, sane governors and deputies of legislative assemblies come up with their own programs to attract and support specialists. For example, in the Perm Territory, the Mobile Teacher program was launched: they give the teacher a car, and he goes around the day with lessons from several schools in the district.

Truth in salary


This is all really good and right. But let's face it. Pedagogical institutes in our country have always been above the roof. And now too. But at least half of the graduates have never worked in their specialty. In Soviet times, there was an obligation - after the university work for three years and do not sin.

Independent Russia has long ceased to exist. And to this day, many children go to pedagogical institutes as the most affordable ones in order to get a crust on higher education. And crusts, they say, to this day magically act on some employers. It seems that it’s time to do something fundamentally with teacher education. And with the teaching profession, or rather, with its low status, everything is already obvious. The truth is in salary.

Let's just compare some numbers. According to Rosstat, the average monthly accrued salary in the economy as a whole in November last year (more recent data are only indicative) amounted to 46285 rubles. We emphasize: accrued salary. Subtract the cherished 13% of income tax. Next, we look at the table of the same Rosstat for teachers. The average for the country in 2019 was 41116 rubles. Well, very average.

We will not take into account the climate-evil regions such as the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, where the average teacher's salary is 100522 rubles. There is a kilogram of potatoes worth its weight in gold, for which the northern allowances were invented. Take Central Russia. The highest teacher salaries in Moscow are an average of 97595 rubles. In St. Petersburg - 56810 rubles. And in the neighboring Pskov region, already half as much - 26412. Not far from all senses is the Ivanovo region - 24679. The teachers in Kabardino-Balkaria receive the least amount - 22534 rubles. And in the aforementioned Krasnodar Territory - 32209. (Do not forget to deduct income tax.)

Question: in Ivanovo and St. Petersburg, children and teachers from different tests? With different mental abilities? Do they have different programs and loads? It’s obvious to me: as long as such discrimination on the basis of geography remains in one profession, we will never avoid personnel failures.

From FZU - to space


Ministry of Education not so long ago pleased good news: The popularity of working specialties is growing. More and more ninth-graders are going to secondary vocational education institutions. Already more than 50%. And that's great! Finally, the boom of obtaining not even a higher education, but crusts about it, even though the most shabby school, ends.


Perhaps people are beginning to realize that it is better to be a cool turner than a useless lawyer. By the way, I remind you that Yuri Gagarin received his first professional education at the Federal State Educational Institution (factory school). Then the vocational schools replaced the FZU, and today it is called the beautiful foreign word "college".


Photo: USTU

The new Minister of Education, Sergey Kravtsov (pictured), says that now college graduates earn very well, even in the first year after graduation: an average of 24,5 thousand rubles a month. Chukotka is again ahead of the whole country - there the earnings of graduates in the first year of work in the specialty is 51,5 thousand rubles. In the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug - 51,3 thousand. In Moscow and St. Petersburg - from 31 to 35 thousand.

As for industries, the highest salaries are for beginners in vocational education in the high-tech sector and the mining industry, which is not surprising. The size of these salaries is amazing. According to the Ministry of Education, it looks like this. In air navigation and operation aviation and rocket and space technology - an average of 92,2 thousand rubles per month, in shipbuilding and water transport - 39,6 thousand rubles, in oil and gas business and geodesy - 36,5 thousand.

Already breathtaking. After all, these are the salaries of youths without work experience. Something tells me what is in these statistics, to put it mildly, a certain share of cunning. Firstly, for high-tech industries there are special colleges to which not everyone is open. Secondly, this is a piece of goods, a lot of them are not required.

Well, let's see the offers on well-known job search sites and workers (Job.ru, Job.ru, HeandHunter). That is, this is what employers really offer to applicants, and not what ministers report to the president. Pilot (novice specialists) - 76 thousand rubles, air traffic controller - 57 thousand, engineer in the aerospace industry - 38 thousand. And where should the poor aviation engineer go after such messages from the Ministry of Education? Only to college. In any case, the working specialty is very much in demand today and is often paid higher than the specialty of higher education.


Tolerate and wait


During the first year after graduation, only 62% of college graduates are employed. But the Ministry of Education and this is considered a great achievement. Moreover, over the year this figure has grown by as much as one and a half percent. But have mercy, what are we proud of? This is only about half. And it is still unknown whether these people worked in their specialty for at least three months.

What can this state of affairs talk about? Either worthless workers who no one needs are leaving the schools, or the local authorities do not analyze the labor market, and as a result, overproduction of some specialists and a shortage of others are created.

By the way, one such old and wise leader in the field of secondary specialized education told me about such a development of events back in 2002, following a census. Not only told me. But they did not hear him. Another reason is that parents try to push a bad child at least somewhere, so that they do not hang around the porches and get a secondary education just in case, "and we'll see."


In fact, all of these factors exist simultaneously. It is gratifying that authorities at the highest level have finally taken care of this. On February 7, the problems of secondary vocational education were discussed at a joint meeting of the State Council and the Presidential Council on Science and Education. It was, in particular, that in many cases the college programs did not meet the real requirements of the modern economy.

As a result, the Ministry of Education was instructed to analyze them and create a methodological basis for their updating. Excellent. It is a pity that they guessed about it just now. We always, and in Soviet times, too, vocational education in many industries, including higher education, lagged behind real production.

There is one more good news: within the framework of the national project "Education", 2024 billion rubles will be allocated for material and technical support and updating the infrastructure of colleges until 55. It would be nice if this money was spent not only on painting walls.
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  1. Grandfather 11 February 2020 06: 25 New
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    The new Minister of Education, Sergei Kravtsov (pictured), says that now college graduates earn very well, even in the first year after graduation: an average of 24,5 thousand rubles a month.
    we have a strange system of appointment to the ministers ... that the minister is not a "song"! in the country, apparently this is the smartest ... the rest are already with certificates ...
    1. Monster_Fat 11 February 2020 06: 46 New
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      Poverty salaries in Russia, which no one is going to raise, is the root of everything. Moreover, instead of increasing them, everything is done paradoxically, but vice versa, for example, now we are seriously discussing lowering the minimum wage to a lower value, and so lying "living wage", that is, actually up to 10000 rubles. Moreover, in order to hide all the delusionality and crime of such a decrease, they called it "optimization in the face of declining inflation." That is, people in Russia are for the most part poor, consumer demand fell below the plinth in the country and because of this inflation has declined (nobody buys anything, save on everything that is possible), and the government with lawmakers, let’s give "-we will lower the salary of people. After all, everyone knows that the so-called "employers" are guided by the minimum wage. In addition, in order to probably not disgrace the whole world with the size of the current and planned Russian minimum wage in the amount of 145-135 USD, they decided in general, to call it not "minimum wage", but some kind of "unit".
      1. Grandfather 11 February 2020 06: 51 New
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        Quote: Monster_Fat
        After all, everyone knows that the so-called "employers" are guided by the minimum wage.

        absolutely rightly said.
        1. DMB 75 11 February 2020 07: 48 New
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          It’s good that I’m retired, and if I’m working now, then for pennies .. Normally people don’t pay now, so they have enough for a living, so as not to get into credit bondage ....
          1. Grandfather 11 February 2020 07: 49 New
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            Quote: DMB 75
            It’s good that I’m retired, and if I’m working now, then for pennies .. Normally people don’t pay now, so they have enough for a living, so as not to get into credit bondage ....

            I am also retired, but I have to work, not live for 12 thousand ...
            1. Stas157 11 February 2020 09: 20 New
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              New Minister of Education Sergei Kravtsov (pictured) says college graduates are now make very good money, even in the first year after graduation: average 24,5 thousand rubles a month.

              Interestingly, if the minister himself were paid 24 thousand a month, he would also think that he earns very well?

              How much hypocrisy is there for those in power! Even those who are forced to voice this laugh at their beggarly mercy and insignificant additions:

              1. Victor N 11 February 2020 10: 45 New
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                The social dependency virus is very dangerous! Especially at a young age - you can get sick until old age.
                1. Stas157 11 February 2020 10: 55 New
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                  Quote: Victor N
                  Virus social dependency very dangerous!

                  Are you talking about small salaries or about social benefits for beneficiaries (veterans and disabled people from the video)?

                  You are just as cynical as this unfortunate minister, Sergey Kravtsov. And I think - where do such ministers come from!
                  1. Lexus 11 February 2020 17: 18 New
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                    The social dependency virus is very dangerous! Especially at a young age - you can get sick until old age.

                    For some reason, the Scandinavians and the Swiss do not think so. The latter recently abandoned the guaranteed 2,2 thousand euros (~ 150 thousand "wooden") "for dependency" per month, because they earn more. Obviously, they "completely rotted" there, in the "hated" West.
                    You are just as cynical as this unfortunate minister, Sergey Kravtsov. And I think - where do such ministers come from!

                    That's just for such "dependents" in the posts of the "state" do not mind. And all is not enough for them, so they, as befits the parasites, have decided to "eat up" the already poor.
                  2. Victor N 12 February 2020 14: 46 New
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                    Social dependency takes place - like it or not. This is when "I want to get", but not "I want to earn." This is also called a freebie. Social payments to preferential categories is another, it is a subsidy, which is based on the capabilities of the state.
                2. Peresidentroissi 12 February 2020 06: 57 New
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                  The virus (and its proliferation) of taking money from citizens in the form of taxes, levies, fees is very dangerous.
                  Insolence virus so-called employers unsupported by their beloved state are very dangerous.
                  The virus of almost universal apathy (just a non-profit "and" only a profit) is very dangerous.
              2. Arlen 11 February 2020 11: 55 New
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                Quote: Stas157
                How much hypocrisy is there for those in power!

                “Now reigns reign supreme, a bacchanalia of all kinds of festivities, solemn gatherings, anniversaries, unveiling of monuments, etc. Tens and hundreds of thousands of rubles are slammed into these“ deeds. ”We celebrate all kinds of anniversaries and hunters before the celebrations, the readiness to celebrate the six-month, annual, two-year, etc. anniversaries are so stunning that they really need tens of millions of rubles to meet the demand. "

                “When they catch a spy or traitor, the public’s indignation knows no bounds, it requires execution. And when a thief wields in front of everyone, plundering state property, the surrounding public is limited to good-natured chuckles and patting on the shoulder. Meanwhile, it is clear that a thief who plunders national property and digging into the interests of the national economy, there is the same spy and traitor, if not worse. "

                All this was said by I.V. Stalin. How much time has passed since then, and officials have not changed.
            2. alekc75 11 February 2020 09: 20 New
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              lucky for you, I threw the USSR experience and now 10 000
            3. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 09: 49 New
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              Who did you work for getting twelve pensions? My cousin has just retired, ahead of schedule at 55, works as a locomotive driver, pension is 21.
              1. PSih2097 11 February 2020 16: 28 New
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                My mother was a labor veteran (there was a GP of the RF Ministry of Defense) - a pension of 12 p. for 000 years they threw 7 rubles.
              2. Peresidentroissi 12 February 2020 06: 59 New
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                But what is it that this is one of the highest paid professions? Accordingly, the pension ...
              3. Essex62 12 February 2020 17: 40 New
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                What does it matter? Your cousin, having retired, receives miserable pennies in comparison with what they received for such work in the USSR.
          2. Victor N 11 February 2020 09: 02 New
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            In the "credit bondage" do not climb out of hopelessness, but at the call of the soul (otherwise - due to illness of the head). Subjective sensations from life experience. After all, you can wait with Wishlist until the accumulation of the necessary funds.
            1. Agieros 11 February 2020 10: 03 New
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              The operation may not wait. According to the quota, I entered the line in June, was appointed in February, and they didn’t do it, the city did not allocate quotas. This is not critical for me yet, but what should I do for those who were expecting heart surgery? They won’t really wait. Wishlist on phones / televisions / cars fit into your formula, yes. You can wait. And if you have a family with a child, live in a communal apartment or with parents? Mortgage is also from hopelessness. There are a lot of options when you need money and especially not wait.
              1. Victor N 11 February 2020 10: 49 New
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                Decided to take a loan - answer, but do not blame anyone for this. It's disgusting!
            2. Stas157 11 February 2020 11: 20 New
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              Quote: Victor N
              In the "credit bondage" climb not out of hopelessnessand at the call of the soul

              Credit is taken by those who do not have enough money. A loan bondage suit banks with the economic bloc of the government. The population of Russia is extremely credited. And this is not at all accidental. Salaries are small, loans (interest on them, unlike other countries) - bonded.

              Quote: Victor N
              Decided to take a loan - answer, but do not blame anyone for this. Disgusting!

              The total the debt load of the population and, accordingly, low demand (low purchasing power) is an economic disease of the country as a whole. And innocent ordinary people, naively putting on a credit yoke, are guilty of it.
              1. Victor N 11 February 2020 16: 02 New
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                In other countries, primarily the “developed”, the debt load of the population is much higher than in Russia. This is a symptom of a "consumer society", not the merit of any government.
                1. Stas157 11 February 2020 16: 18 New
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                  Quote: Victor N
                  In other countries, primarily the “developed”, the debt load of the population is much higher than in Russia.

                  And the ability to service debts? What about the salary? And the interest on the loan? All this is far from a civilized society.

                  There, the loan is more like an installment plan - how much you took, almost as much you gave. And we took an apartment in a mortgage, and paid for two! And on demand loans interest is generally ugly. This is called credit bondage. But the population has no choice, as such. If you want to get something, but there is no money, go into bondage.
                2. Pilat2009 11 February 2020 17: 52 New
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                  Quote: Victor N
                  the debt load of the population is much higher than in Russia

                  There the interest on the loan is much less
                3. Peresidentroissi 12 February 2020 07: 01 New
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                  Yes, but they have lower rates and loans not from hopelessness, but for something necessary - at least housing.
              2. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 16: 31 New
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                Loans are mainly taken by those whose Wishlist prevailed on opportunities. How many of those who eat little blackberries with salt, but ride a BMW?
            3. PSih2097 11 February 2020 16: 36 New
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              Quote: Victor N
              In the "credit bondage" do not climb out of hopelessness, but at the call of the soul (otherwise - due to illness of the head). Subjective sensations from life experience. After all, you can wait with Wishlist until the accumulation of the necessary funds.

              about accumulate:
              I remember how we went to buy the Volga 105e, "I say to the manager - cache (c) M. Zadornov, and he will give me a soft loan + we will put a radio tape recorder, rugs, another battery (it was 55 - we will put 62) ", as a result, the cars were without everything, because in the store 300 meters from the salon everything was cheaper 3 times, and through a loan it would be five times more expensive ...
            4. Lannan Shi 11 February 2020 18: 13 New
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              Quote: Victor N
              After all, you can wait with Wishlist until the accumulation of the necessary funds.

              Do you live in non-rubber? Or another island of well-being? Visit an ordinary city, well Vladimir say. At each stop, migrant loans and others. Give 2-3 thousand, for a period of 1-2 weeks, to return 1.5 more.
              They take money from them to buy a devour. Yes, lunch and dinner are a luxury. These Wishlist can be postponed for a month or two.
            5. Essex62 12 February 2020 17: 55 New
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              Why should a working person postpone his life for later if the so-called s / n head of a certain state corporation had enough to pay a decent pension to pensioners, for example, Yaroslavl. To everyone. Why did the minister and the USSR receive only three times as much turner in the mailbox?
        2. zloybond 12 February 2020 21: 36 New
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          RUSSIAN LEADERS PR for the whole country !!! Instead of obliging our minister of ideology to talk about the workers and how they work .... well, and so on. Not about those shorter today, we sing advertising songs.
      2. Aingof 11 February 2020 08: 31 New
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        Slowly it begins to reach that at least specialists have to pay. The province has a catastrophic shortage of specialists and workers. 5-10 years and another generation will retire. Now all small enterprises are holding onto this generation. Because they know the equipment and support it, albeit in emergency but operational condition. There is no youth to replace. And those who come gain experience and leave. The bulk of the workers do not KNOW the equipment, because the low payload and fluidity. The best ones always leave first, either moved, or shift. Soon, the plants will start to stand up simply because there is no one to work and repair on them. The number of accidents and accidents is increasing. I am silent about the culture of production. In the provinces, we are worse than the Chinese that we recently laughed at.
        We have built a new workshop. I’ll keep silent how and from what it was built, believe me it’s better not to see it. An electrician is not something that cannot connect the POWER part of the frequency converter, although there is a circuit directly on it, they can not power the electrical cabinet correctly (they will not connect 0, they confuse 0 with the ground). Zp believe above average in a new workshop. The staff constantly breaks something, it breaks, they do not know the equipment on which they work, there is no one to teach them, but they themselves will not.
        I remember 5 years ago they still liked to say that there was a crowd in my place. Now they scare that he would not quit.
        1. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 09: 53 New
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          It’s hard to find an intelligent specialist. And they know their worth. I tried to find a person to set up woodworking equipment. Found it, but he won the price for his work! Where are you going, I had to agree.
        2. ruivit1988 11 February 2020 12: 01 New
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          10 years ago I graduated from college with a degree in Instrumentation and Instrumentation. So something like I found work as a fitter for 12000 rubles. So, as soon as I graduated, I thought that I would be in demand as my diploma is pretty good. Besides, I entered NSTU which I dropped out. I didn’t quit because I didn’t want to. I just came to the conclusion that my education is not necessary at all. Half of my group worked as someone in the store who was a chauffeur, so they were getting 25000 - 30000 rubles at that moment when I received 12000 rubles from my working profession. At that time, they already trusted me with equipment that cost a lot of money. Say the same heat meter which includes flow measures, pressure transmitters, temperature, heat calculator. Or the very same chastotniks about which you wrote (that it’s difficult to connect there, I didn’t understand directly, maybe with the peculiarity of controlling the chastotnik). So I worked on such a salary exactly until the moment when the boiler house alone in our city did not get up due to the fact that there were no Kipovtsev. But I still raised the RFP to 25000 rubles after the discharge was increased and added for professionalism. And I have been working as an automation engineer at another enterprise for a year now, as a result, I have to not only write pieces of paper, but also often work with my hands. That is not long ago connected three air handling units and four exhaust. He worked with his hands, as they say, since electricians are not Kipovtsi, I was convinced myself personally. After all, they did not know the features of the sensors and the principles of their operation, for example, valve control, discrete or analog. In general, I have a lot of work there, since a lot of things will need to be transferred for myself, so that it works, and I just went about my business. Well, or slept like at a previous job, and only did something on a call. For this I love automation :). The result is the following, ten years after our graduation from thirty people, only three second work now in a pile, our school is now called a college and does not teach Kipovites. And another thing pleases me that my salary is now equal to the salary of the seller in the store. Only he has a miserable responsibility in comparison with my responsibility and qualifications. Draw conclusions whether we need workers or not, I think not.
          1. Aingof 11 February 2020 13: 10 New
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            Well, about the sn, I advise you to bargain. I raised my snacks by 2 times, worked for six months, showed myself assembled and studied new equipment (it came with me, tape dispensers on controllers). Due to the low "culture of production", but rather its complete absence, and not understanding, and even the desire to understand the principles of operation of new equipment has become very popular. The magic statement and sn raised. Now, if I’m similar and ask to raise, they raise (I’m not much impudent) silently. + Design part, PLC programming with hand-made automation on several lines. Over the past year, the plant saved at least a couple of lyamas. Yes, and behind the gates there is not much work but there is. Again, design, programming, commissioning. That's what LLC do for lyam + for which I do 10 times cheaper only without installation. Yes, it just happens to configure the inverter.
          2. PSih2097 11 February 2020 16: 43 New
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            But I still raised the RFP to 25000 rubles after the discharge was increased and added for professionalism.

            no one has canceled the bit grid, and the discharge consists of several factors ...
          3. ANNA1968 11 February 2020 16: 54 New
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            The profession of instrumentation and automation is complex and requires a desire to delve into and think, and if nothing is grabbed at the top. Therefore, many are not allowed to be KIPovets in general. But management has equated brainwashing equipment with routine maintenance and humiliating! not only s / n, but also the desire to work and conscientiously maintain equipment that, without proper maintenance, fails more often than accountants and managers assume. They are not given to understand the operation and adjustment because any “cook” can be an accountant and any “son” can cope as a commander-manager (without understanding the essence): it’s not difficult to yell. It is difficult to be a professional with those who have nothing useful in their head besides money. This is the time that has come into the economy. But this will pass .. The most intelligent, inventive, trained, experienced and quick-witted in technical means will survive and be able to find use: someone will always need to adjust and adjust, adapt to operation .. Professionally worked after technical school for more than 25 years and it was always in demand in professional circles, but young managers with foreign education came and decided that a woman could not have such a profession and got fired .. In the gas industry, as soon as age approached, they replaced “son” and ... he ruined a whole branch. And they thought it was easy to replace, and the old people have a road only to the churchyard - this is after 40-45 years. So now turnips are scratched. Learning and transferring experience is possible only from old professionals, but theory doesn’t work in practice - experience in production and operation is needed. This is a long period and can only be fired quickly, and replacing experience and technical intuition is impossible. Therefore, they cannot find specialists: they dispersed the experienced ones, and theorists cannot cope with reality!
            1. PSih2097 11 February 2020 17: 38 New
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              Quote: ANNA1968
              The profession of instrumentation and automation is complex and requires a desire to delve into and think, and if nothing is grabbed at the top.

              Instrumentation is not far from the ACS, in principle it is practically the same by the last letter of instrumentationА.
            2. ruivit1988 12 February 2020 10: 18 New
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              The profession of instrumentation and automation is complex and requires a desire to delve into and think, and if nothing is grabbed at the top.
              I completely agree with you that in order to work as a Kipovite you need to know the power of attorney of the equipment from the features of the work, and you still need to know the production itself, including the nuances of this production itself. Since automation carries out this very production, and there is still such a moment. As measuring instruments, which are also included in this very production. There are all kinds of measuring instruments, there are whimsical or less whimsical, and when setting up automation, this must be taken into account. And here in a year or two you can hardly even find out all this at an enterprise where it would seem that there are not so many automation and instrumentation. Managers and commerce also do not know such a nuance that not everything is recorded on the scheme, there is also the fact that the local old-timer remembers it. And this old-timer gives all these nuances to his young successor whom he wants or does not want but nevertheless teaches him. And it would take a lot of time and money to grow a competent electrician, a technician or other specialist, even an intelligent young guy. Well, our gifted employers will not understand how to prepare a competent locksmith is much more difficult than a sales manager.
          4. ycuce234-san 11 February 2020 23: 00 New
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            After all, they did not know the features

            Buy at the expense of the enterprise your electricians professional books and textbooks suitable for the equipment of the enterprise and make them a professional mini-library. Rack and systematically encourage them to read and practice a little formally and informally. After a year or two, the situation will basically improve. I saw such a reception in one laboratory where the necessary literature was bought and put on shelves for many decades.
            1. ruivit1988 12 February 2020 10: 02 New
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              What for? In the first installations there were only five, only three were mounted. It’s unlikely that I’ll need to install a bunch of installations, my knowledge is really enough. Of course, electricians will read the same books, but then again, why when they service not a lot of equipment and a bunch of sockets with bulbs. After all, we serve buildings and not production.
              1. ycuce234-san 12 February 2020 19: 49 New
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                It’s hardly necessary to install a bunch of installations

                You don’t need to install it, but you need to maintain it, it is possible to partially repair it - therefore, specific books are needed specifically for the maintenance and repair of such installations and networks of buildings, printouts of service manuals from the manufacturer, and one extremely abstruse theoretical textbook on the basics - to refer to it in highly non-standard situations. In general, it makes sense to raise the reporting and accounting documents and find out statistically what most often breaks with serious consequences and what mistakes cost the most — and with this in mind, to equip the library in the duty room with books, printouts of norms (including on electrical safety and safety), technical manuals and reference books. People change, their level is different, and a book at work on a shelf costs dozens of years and is actively used: in that lab, many actively used and repeatedly repaired reference books and fundamental Talmud books were 30-50 years old and looked like they were from decades of use all this time the elephants chewed intensely, and their young replenishment stood nearby.
                1. vindigo 12 February 2020 21: 05 New
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                  I remember with us the power engineer sometimes read a textbook on TOE. Retired by age. He said that something must be remembered.
        3. musketon64 11 February 2020 12: 31 New
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          I have a friend friend (55 years old) who worked several years ago as a foreman in production. Workers were local men. Work on metal cutting machines. They worked, they themselves were serviced and repaired. They asked the employer for a small increase in salary. What they got the answer to - yes, instead of you, I’ll better type Uzbeks. The men quit. The Uzbeks came. As a result, these already worn-out machines had to be repaired by my friend for the Uzbeks, plus other duties of the master. Uzbeks have a salary of 38 rubles for work of 000-12 hours (he closed the orders for them himself), and a friend has 14 rubles for a workday of 22-000 hours. with one day off. My friend went to the owner of the production and asked to increase his salary to 10 p. to which he received an answer - there is no money (but he changes the car - Mercedes is not a Mercedes, Lexus is not a Lexus) and in general, you don’t follow the Uzbeks. You see, they are persecuting marriage, there are mass complaints, and where are you looking? My friend freaked out and threw a statement for calculation with the words: now you will repair the machines and watch your Uzbeks. And now a highly qualified specialist works as a janitor. It works from 11 am. At 30 o’clock already at home. Together with a colleague we took 000 plots plus some scallops. It turns out somewhere 6 rubles. There was more free time and most importantly no hassle. But this is not the end of the story. After some time, this leader calls my friend asking them to return and, so be it, to the required salary. Apparently it dawned on him or at the labor exchange they explained to him that everything had ended - the adjusters. Well, my friend before sending the businessman one more time, explained to him that there was no desire whatsoever for working for 12 hours headlong in oil, repairing dead machines for the Uzbeks. So come on - bye. Look for fools elsewhere! If you find now.
          1. ANNA1968 11 February 2020 14: 56 New
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            You're right. That’s how they destroy people as a class of our local professionals, who have nowhere to go and nothing to go, and where you’ll drop everything you’ve acquired. And the newcomers - they crap, broke and dumped - they do not answer, no one asks from them. The bosses and the "owners" do not want to see anything ahead, but "take" the money here and now, then leave and scatter the entertainment stolen from us and fatten at our expense. The "masters of life" are also like guest workers: they are not responsible for anything and take everything for themselves to be enough for them to enjoy. They don’t care at all about production and technical problems, miserable balances of funds that are not enough either for the development of production, nor for equipment and normal high-quality consumables. And s / n ... They conspired because communicate in "their own circle" and likewise leveled up to all those working for them to the meager, so that we do not forget "their place". This policy has taken root from the 90s and is supported at the state level and I wonder how in general something works in Russia and someone produces ... In large cities, all enterprises closed all production under the slogan of ecology and ruined those who worked normally . And the ecology in the cities has deteriorated greatly because everyone travels by personal transport, because the public doesn’t go to the “darkness” - this is where the newly established and temporarily living production is located. Indeed, in the USSR, work was within walking distance and only a few went to work. Now we need to go to any job. Ecologists placed endless shopping centers and entertainments near the house. Nobody thinks about the fact that people need to live and earn money, because officials and bosses do not earn and just appoint themselves s / n hundreds of thousands or a million a month. Available authorities scatter money and spend it on demonstrations and dust for reports to Moscow, but they don’t want to see the real situation from there. They don't care about us ...
          2. PSih2097 11 February 2020 17: 22 New
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            Quote: musketone64
            I have a friend friend (55 years old) who worked several years ago as a foreman in production.

            Quote: musketone64
            Uzbeks came.

            Quote: musketone64
            My friend went to the owner of the production and asked to increase his salary to 30 p. what I got the answer - no money

            The story is like this, they made a broom at the furniture workshop, put up a substation SIEMENS (I personally put and glued the Russian translation on the tape below the sensors and automatic machines) the customer was advised by a specialist living a kilometer from the object (work there a couple of times a week to come and monitor it, and you can do this even through the Internet), the result is the main Tajik power engineer.
            The substation burned down, they picked me up at night - I come, it turns out that the Tajik foreman worked as an energy specialist, he not only did not read Russian, he could not speak it, because he did not know how ...
        4. PSih2097 11 February 2020 16: 39 New
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          Quote: Aingof
          An electrician is not something that cannot connect the POWER part of the frequency converter, although there is a circuit directly on it, they can not power the electrical cabinet correctly (they will not connect 0, they confuse 0 with the ground).

          This is what he ended up, confusing zero with the ground ...
          1. Mordvin 3 11 February 2020 17: 53 New
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            Quote: PSih2097
            This is what he ended up, confusing zero with the ground ...

            A friend worked as a foreman of electricians, gave three trainees from college, or as I now call former technical schools. So they did not distinguish power from voltage. "And what is the power here? 220 volts!" This is after three courses. Moreover, they asked whether it is possible to obtain the 4th category after practice. fool
            1. PSih2097 11 February 2020 17: 56 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              they gave three interns from college, or what I now call former technical schools.

              I have two graduate students at a technical school of electronic devices in a junction box that worked ... I ask - are you color blind guys? How can I solder 16X5 by dissolving zero with phase?
      3. lucul 11 February 2020 08: 51 New
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        Poverty salaries in Russia, which no one is going to raise, is the root of everything.

        Why do the goyim have money? They do not know how to spend them))) (sarcasm)
      4. Podvodnik 11 February 2020 09: 52 New
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        [/ quote] Poverty salaries in Russia, which no one is going to raise, is the root of everything. Moreover, instead of increasing them, everything is done paradoxically, but vice versa, for example [quote]

        For example, they recently trumpeted about raising salaries to state employees by as much as 4%. I asked my wife, where is the "Milen"? He answers: they raised me by 127 rubles (one hundred twenty seven), and the beginning. department for 14 rubles (fourteen). They laughed together. Salaries increased, and allowances (incentive) were removed. The budget for the year has long been made up, the wage fund has remained the same. The output remains the same.
        Well, now let’s heal!
      5. smart ass 11 February 2020 10: 10 New
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        Imagine a 65 year old truck driver carrying 40 tons of cargo at a speed of 60 km / h on public roads ??? Aren't you scared yet?
        1. Victor N 11 February 2020 10: 53 New
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          Fearfully. Do you offer age qualifications?
          1. smart ass 11 February 2020 10: 58 New
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            I propose to raise the retirement age to 100 years)
            1. Victor N 11 February 2020 16: 05 New
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              May God give you health and many years of life!
        2. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 17: 40 New
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          There is a medical board - it is up to her. The pilot, if health is openwork, can fly up to 65 years.
          1. smart ass 11 February 2020 18: 42 New
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            Do you know a lot of people in 65 with health in lace?
            1. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 18: 47 New
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              Even among his relatives decently. My grandfather was uprooted because of the helm, then another 65 years in the ground, my grandmother operated on until 10, my mother worked until 75.
              1. 2 Level Advisor 11 February 2020 21: 39 New
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                Andrei, the main question is, from need or at will?
              2. smart ass 11 February 2020 21: 57 New
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                With such advances to you in the PFR advertising
                1. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 21: 59 New
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                  I am very sorry that you are a burden to work. Personally, it was a tragedy for me when I was expelled from aviation to retire for health reasons at the age of 50.
                  1. smart ass 11 February 2020 22: 06 New
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                    I kind of never said that it’s a burden for me to work, it’s just that the work is different, someone sits exactly on the priest and someone works in the mine or at the construction site and how people will do it, and who needs them at age 60 is the question
                    1. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 22: 11 New
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                      If you are special, pros, then you will be in demand at any age. Last year, he hired a man with golden hands and the same head. 67 years old. I'd rather hire an old professional than a young bedman.
                      1. Essex62 12 February 2020 19: 41 New
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                        Well, firstly, your case is single. Most of your brother seeks to get rid of the elderly, also in connection with the draconian law that completely prohibits the dismissal of retirees. Secondly, a future specialist should be made from a coekaker. It’s the same with golden hands and a head differently ... you understand. In general, the economy of the pipe specialists are not very necessary. Narrow, very, specialized are needed. Putin and Co. will leave and the “macaroons” who replaced them will not play war games. And then they will have to say goodbye to high-tech industries and personnel. We were already at this verge, after the counterrevolutionary coup and before the early 2000s, effective steering at the helm — two will be provided. Russia is solid buy-sell. Sell, only soon will not be anyone.
      6. sailor roman 11 February 2020 10: 18 New
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        The poverty of wide sections of the population greatly limits the domestic market and prevents the development of their own industry in particular and the economy in general.
        A small handful of large and medium-sized owners are not able to provide the necessary volume of consumption. Therefore, the basic principle of expanding the domestic market is to improve the living standards of the poorest segments of the population.
        Of course, the domestic market is not a panacea for all ills, but its expansion for Russia is the only chance to develop its industry. In Russia today, the economy is of a colonial type. We extract raw materials and sell it to Europe, Asia, from where industrial goods come to us.
        This is a sad fact, and the army of the poor cannot be satisfied with their position, which undermines the state principles with their distrust, if not open protest.
        1. Victor N 11 February 2020 11: 06 New
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          How do you imagine "raising the living standards of the poorest"? What, hand out money? Assign a poverty pension if the college graduate did not want to go to work? Of your taxes? Can make a neighbor pay too?
          In the old days, those who could not earn in force majeure went to fight. And they always thanked for alms. Those who scolded the donor were no longer served. And they died out. The grateful and hard workers survived. Freeloaders and then did not favor.
          1. Pilat2009 11 February 2020 18: 56 New
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            Quote: Victor N
            In the old days, those who couldn’t earn in force majeure went to fight

            Do you remember this before the revolution? And how did it end? If the state does not give a shit about the people, then the people do not give a shit about the state
            1. Victor N 12 February 2020 07: 51 New
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              Rough! What for? Not everyone appeared only after the revolution. My ancestors lived and lived before. Not extinct.
      7. at84432384 11 February 2020 18: 11 New
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        Well, what to expect from comprador power? Low salaries - low costs for exporters. For them, people are just a resource, and Russia is a plot for cutting dough. "Cut down", and for the cordon, where they have accounts, villas, yachts.
      8. Machito 13 February 2020 01: 28 New
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        There is no money, but we hold on to the spite of the bears.
    2. Alex Nevs 11 February 2020 09: 16 New
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      Capitalism. They even credited the birth of children. Soon loans to the supermarket will be issued. About s \ pl generally keep quiet. Already trying to introduce PLANNED Planning, what's this? Cross Marxism with capitalism? It doesn’t and never was. FEEDBACK ONLY. Which is trying-GDP with the people. Yes, it doesn’t work out - it will fall asleep. Once a year is a parody (like there is) FEEDBACK. It must be continuous. A deeper, they won’t give, for the CAPITAL income will decrease. And so it will be maneuvering over there. And the people's control, how is the opposition to the snickering CPSU not?
      1. Keyser soze 11 February 2020 13: 43 New
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        Capitalism. They even credited the birth of children. Soon loans to the supermarket will be issued. About s \ pl generally keep quiet.


        I read comments and I think that you have little in common with capitalism. Campaign you came up with "feudal" capitalism ...
        1. at84432384 11 February 2020 18: 19 New
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          That's right. The meaning of capitalism is to build capital, which is not observed in Russia. Its total destruction takes place. A vivid example is the "national treasure" of Gazprom. Over a decade, its capitalization has decreased ten (!!!) times. Destroyed entire industries. Instead, shopping malls and office high-rise buildings were built ..
    3. TANKISTONE 11 February 2020 14: 42 New
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      Grandfather (Grandfather Old)
      .... we have a strange system of appointment to the ministers ... that the minister is not a "song"! in the country, apparently this is the smartest ... the rest are already with certificates ...
      Here, in the network I found:
    4. max702 11 February 2020 18: 22 New
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      Zp in the country SHOULD start from 1 thousand dollars and it does not matter how much it is in rubles. It is this kind of RFP that provides the purchasing power and movement in the economy .. What is the pay-off ratio for so much? On a watch in large projects such as Yamal-Sabbet, SS (Power of Siberia) Crimean bridge .. And I remembered in Antarctica for an ANNUAL shift at -70-80 degrees at 70tys \ r per month .. Tales that in Moscow pay from 100tysch leave. .50k rubles for 6 \ 1 for 10-12 hours .. A terrible situation with Gaster, in addition to the lowest level of specialties where Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, there is a problem of the middle segment, which just competes with the indigenous population of Russia, these are not brothers from 404 and the bulband and this is really A BIG problem .. for example, in Japan there are no migrant workers, in principle, on any special societies because, by law, an employer must pay a double salary to one Gaster to a second state .. Only highly qualified piece specialists .. In my opinion, we have a problem big hat is the main one, no one believes in long-term stability, because tomorrow everything can go to dust after the next bailout of the Central Bank and the government, or they can take everything, these same people .. That's why everything is squeezed out without leaving anything to the distant sweat .. How many crises are we survived over the past 25 years? Such shocks would kill any other state, but we are still fluttering. BUT the safety margin is not eternal and we have come close to its limit, and if we had rolled back due to the potential that the USSR had left, now this stock is left in both material and human resources .. We are on the edge of the abyss.
      What to do? The steps have begun, albeit miserable but correct, to change the constitution by returning the Central Bank to the country, as well as the priority of its right over the international .. It is after this that it will be possible to restore order with Gaster and organize many other processes .. For from the international point of view, the legality of these decisions will be in question. Over the past 10 years, much has been done in defense capability, you will not scare anyone with a mess on the outskirts of the country, there are forces and means to stop this at the root, and any neighbors somehow have no time for hitting .. Therefore, it is time to deal with the domestic economy ..
      1. 2 Level Advisor 11 February 2020 21: 42 New
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        I generally agree .. Clarify about the Central Bank - how and where it is returned, please ..
        1. max702 11 February 2020 21: 48 New
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          Quote: 2 level advisor
          I generally agree .. Clarify about the Central Bank - how and where it is returned, please ..

          The referendum on amendments to the constitution .. That is the fundamental problem in the return of the Central Bank to their homeland ..
          1. 2 Level Advisor 11 February 2020 21: 54 New
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            Sorry, Maxim, I didn’t understand) at first I thought that you were saying that there is nothing in the project today about the return of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation .. unfortunately, there’s nothing about the Central Bank .. then not in general, but I completely agree with you
  2. Nitarius 11 February 2020 06: 29 New
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    the problem is really not in personnel shortages .. but in those salaries that employers offer! they are just penny .. people can’t feed their family on them!
    1. Sergey Olegovich 11 February 2020 07: 47 New
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      Quote: Nitarius
      the problem is really not in personnel shortages .. but in those salaries that employers offer

      What are you talking about, our salaries are constantly growing wassat Well, they tell us from the TV repeat only where is the TV and where is the reality ...
      During the first year after graduation, only 62% of college graduates are employed

      In Soviet times, 100% of graduates were employed by profession, if only they didn’t take a “free diploma” (as it was called, who did not want to work on distribution).
      1. Nitarius 11 February 2020 10: 46 New
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        The problem at the top is known. trust me! In vain, the GDP announced that it is necessary to raise the RFP ... only now the Central Bank has management under the USA .. and Madame Nabiulitsa must be removed! and all this tip from the IMF
    2. Ross xnumx 11 February 2020 08: 10 New
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      Quote: Nitarius
      the problem is really not personnel shortage.

      The "original" of your avatar has already explained everything to us (your idol? And who will be after 2024? belay )
      Russia plunged into a paradox of situations when:
      - people of high professionalism and skill are in demand in production, and “college” education issues mediocrity;
      - the money of enterprises from the wage fund goes to the content of management and administration, and the direct producers are satisfied with miserable handouts consisting of a tariff rate + allowances for harmfulness and length of service + all kinds of bonuses and coefficients that occupy half of all earnings (a very peculiar form of the “whip” of the employer );
      - from every iron they only talk about the degradation of the Russian productive forces, and enterprises are created (for years) for 50 to 400 people (and in any decent shopping center it works many times more, and the return [profit] is much faster) ...
      That is why, because the country is busy selling and reselling everything and everything, in the country inflation “devours” weak compensation for the income of ordinary citizens, driving them into the position of “working beggars”.
      YOU ARE COURSE, MR. “DOUBLEUR”, THAT RUSSIA IS A COUNTRY OF WORKING POORS?
    3. Victor N 11 February 2020 09: 12 New
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      Don’t scare yourself: they feed, do not die out. They even refuse benefits. And what do they live on? So, there are hidden incomes that are not taken into account in the calculations of the "average salary".
    4. Galleon 11 February 2020 09: 50 New
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      it’s not only about salaries - there is a problem on both sides. On the one hand - a penniless salary, on the other - a penniless attitude to his work and business.

      There is such an opinion.
    5. Aingof 11 February 2020 10: 00 New
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      the problem is really not in personnel shortages .. but in those salaries that employers offer! they are just penny .. people can’t feed their family on them!

      While in still can be in zp. The provinces are facing the opposite. There is simply no one to work. No, you will always find people on the shovel, but where to get technologists, electricians, mechanics, turners and a host of other specialists. They were not released for almost 30 years. After the collapse of the USSR, a lot of specialists remained on the street. Most of these people of Soviet hardening, forced to work for a penny, retired. Almost no one has the experience. An example was bought a used gearbox for mills, they were called to audit by pensioners who worked here and know how to do it. There are no such specialists at the factory, I am silent about electronics. 5 engineers and 8 job locksmiths opened in KIP, as a result, 3 out of 5 and 2 out of 8 are employed. It turns out that KIPiA is not taught in any “college”. Surprise !!! Of course you can buy a crust, but is it necessary? How much does one have to pay here to get specialists from the "mother country" here? Slowly it will come to the “metropolis”, friends say about the same problems. It's a question of time.
      1. 2 Level Advisor 11 February 2020 21: 44 New
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        Ivan, you may smile, but there are almost no normal lawyers - everyone left for Moscow ...
    6. Alex Nevs 11 February 2020 18: 06 New
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      But what about capital? Above wrote, a loan to the supermarket.
    7. Pilat2009 11 February 2020 23: 57 New
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      Quote: Nitarius
      they are just penny .. people can’t feed their family on them!

      and at the expense of what do you want to raise them? If you raise it at the factory, then the products will be uncompetitive. If in the store then the goods grow in price. The state may throw something up to budget people and even a little.
      look, a bulldozer driver at a construction site gets about 50-60. this is in construction where the price of zp is laid down in the price of the apartment. the driver of a heat and electric locomotive about 100 thousand zp is laid down in the price of tariffs. but the state does not give much to lay in defense products, you see unprofitable to buy expensive products.
  3. Ryaruav 11 February 2020 06: 38 New
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    What are the salaries in the tram depots and trolleybus parks? teachers are not the least paid category
    1. polar fox 11 February 2020 07: 36 New
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      Quote: Ryaruav
      What are the salaries in the tram depots and trolleybus parks?

      according to advertisements-70 for drivers, from 25 conductors .... in real life everything is sadder ...
    2. Ross xnumx 11 February 2020 08: 14 New
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      Conductor in Kemerovo from 15 800 to 21 000 ...
      Drivers from 25 to 000 ...
  4. Rurikovich 11 February 2020 06: 44 New
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    Is this a problem in Russia? A new Labor Code has come into effect in Bulbyandi this year, where amendments have been made from the experience of the previous one. The highlight is that earlier labor contracts were extended for a year, a maximum of two, if you are a good and valuable specialist. Those. your fate is in the hands of the slave owner - I want to extend, I want not. Now they introduced five-year contracts, but they wrapped them up so that if you found a better job, you won’t quit. Only according to the article. And against the background of a general drop in wages, slave owners generally get ideal conditions for manipulating personnel. If they said a year ago, “Don't like it?” Quit. Now - do not like it? And first work out your contract ...
    And this is done in order to keep the outflow of personnel at meager salaries. request
    Then you want to change work, you can’t ...
    1. Grandfather 11 February 2020 06: 54 New
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      Quote: Rurikovich
      Teperacha introduced five-year contracts,

      Quote: Rurikovich
      Then you want to change the job, you can’t ..

      Yes, your feudalism is progressing rather than ours ... recourse
    2. Ross xnumx 11 February 2020 08: 24 New
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      Quote: Rurikovich
      The highlight is that earlier labor contracts were extended for a year, a maximum of two, if you are a good and valuable specialist. Those. your fate is in the hands of the slave owner - I want to extend, I want not.

      This "highlight" we tried after 2010. In the collective agreement, “diligent lawyers” and “union representatives” even introduced and approved the corresponding amendments. So, you are not the "pioneers" of the capitalist organization of labor.
      Moreover, two workers at the same enterprise: “amiable” and “let him go,” can receive completely different salaries for the same work. In the history textbook of the Soviet edition, this was well described. It seems to me that some Russian employers and officials still have “cheat sheets” from relatives from the past, as a guide to practical guidance.
      1. ANNA1968 11 February 2020 16: 26 New
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        This is the norm in Gazprom: a relative will receive twice as much and no one will ask him for anything - untouchables. And those who like "no one" should plow for two and receive less and be responsible for everything that the relatives have done and the nerves will also be winnable to you - literally for the fact that you have to work, and they should attend work.
      2. alex967 11 February 2020 19: 34 New
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        This is also the case with us.
        For the very close, there are classes and "professional skills." For the same job, the "professional master" gets almost 2 times more.
    3. atalef 11 February 2020 08: 24 New
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      Quote: Rurikovich
      five year contracts were introduced, but they were wrapped so that if you found a better job, you won’t quit

      Serfdom?
      Yuriev day every 5 years?
      1. Grandfather 11 February 2020 09: 10 New
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        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Rurikovich
        five year contracts were introduced, but they were wrapped so that if you found a better job, you won’t quit

        Serfdom?
        Yuriev day every 5 years?

        and holidays on holiday ...
  5. Peter Poroshin 11 February 2020 06: 45 New
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    I went to work as a turner, the enterprise of Rosatom ...
    - "Well, we will pay you 25000",
    -Wait, you are inviting for a salary of 35 or more, your own ad "
    - is it sometime, then maybe ...
    Harsh reality.
    1. Grandfather 11 February 2020 06: 57 New
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      Quote: Peter Poroshin
      I went to work as a turner, the enterprise of Rosatom ...
      - "Well, we will pay you 25000",
      -Wait, you are inviting for a salary of 35 or more, your own ad "
      - is it sometime, then maybe ...
      Harsh reality.

      add to this a system of “fines” at enterprises. up to the fact that all the jobs are workers in the workshop, delimited by lines on the floor - violated - PENALTY! (in Yöburg, on the “transformer” one), I bounced for a penalty-PENALTY, more than three gathered-PENALTY, and so on ... worse than on the "zone".
      1. Qwertyarion 11 February 2020 07: 45 New
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        There is another production "nishtyak" now the employer very tightly takes into account the working time of the employee. Entrance - exit by electronic passes, you need to leave a tooth for treatment an hour or go to work or go to the tax one, then write a statement. All these hours are summed up and transferred to work shifts, after which these shifts are taken away from the employee’s vacation.
        A year passed, and half of the number of vacation days only remained, or even less.
        And no to you at your own expense, only at the expense of vacation ...
        1. Ross xnumx 11 February 2020 08: 27 New
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          And no to you at your own expense, only on vacation ...

          good
          We are not alone ...
      2. Alex Nevs 11 February 2020 09: 19 New
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        Like a capitalist ..... But then everyone will smoke 100% ....... And the output, and the quality. Who to control?
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    3. polar fox 11 February 2020 07: 39 New
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      I went to work as a turner, the enterprise of Rosatom ...

      and don’t go ... the "alternative-gifted" people think that this is easier than the lungs, because the salaries are beggarly. I got the first salary of 212 rubles with a vocational school turner ... it was in the USSR.
      1. Ross xnumx 11 February 2020 08: 33 New
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        "alternatively gifted" thinks it's easier than easy

        We have conducted studies on the assessment of harmful and dangerous factors at the climber’s workplace (from the GPMM basket), people who do not have permission to conduct work at heights and climb. They decided that any crank whose head is not spinning can climb the poles ... wassat
        One was not taken into account that there still needs to be done something with hands in the fresh air ...
    4. Agieros 11 February 2020 10: 13 New
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      Do you know what amused me? In St. Petersburg, there is a Siemens factory, direct German management, but the Germans are all strict, if you are taken as a worker of one specialty, then you will be it, in Russia you can be a turner / toolmaker / technologist / loader for the turner's salary, in Europe this is bad manners. But the Germans quickly realized the scheme of work, they also offered a combined specialty with the duties of 3-4 different workers and the salary of one. And laughter and sin.
  6. samarin1969 11 February 2020 06: 52 New
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    “More and more ninth-graders are going to institutions of secondary vocational education. Already more than 50%. And that's great! Finally, the boom of getting not even a higher education, but crusts about it, even the most shabby school ...”


    Everything is much more prosaic. Many successful children with ambitions leave. According to polls - everyone avoids the exam in English. In colleges, the majority teaches nothing at all. These "educational organizations" consider "students" as a source of state funding and are guaranteed to give out "diplomas" to a "specialist" to almost everyone. In schools, you don’t have to study at all - the main thing is to “attend” them sometimes. I personally saw students who are poorly understanding why they are here in slippers for an exam. I was amazed when I saw a student certificate. who hardly read and almost did not know how to write. A certificate is issued (not immediately) - to everyone !!! ... Who will study ?!
    1. Monster_Fat 11 February 2020 07: 04 New
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      Sense to learn? In a country of clan-family capitalism? where there are no social and professional elevators that take into account only knowledge and skills? My wife told me how she once shamed one truant, so he calmly explained everything to her: "Can I read, write? I can! And I don’t need to do the rest to put in taxes or put in windows in apartments, everything’s all I can’t find it anyway, I have no relatives of businessmen-officials .... " Moreover, truants from wealthy families said the same thing practically, the same thing: "I don’t need to study for me, if mom and dad attach me to the" right "place anyway" ...
      1. Qwertyarion 11 February 2020 08: 07 New
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        Can I read and write? I can! And the rest I don’t need to, so I don’t need to put in windows in the apartments, I still can’t find another job

        Then, at the factory, we look longingly at such “workers” with a complete lack of basic knowledge and who are unable to climb anything except in the telephone.
      2. Victor N 11 February 2020 11: 25 New
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        Someone said that all people are equal ..... However, loafers, ignoramuses are available. They also raise the standard of living with social support?
      3. fruit_cake 11 February 2020 11: 49 New
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        Here they said the same thing about the USA, only there Latinos said that he would go selling drugs on the street anyway. Capitalism, happiness, hurt yourself.
      4. samarin1969 11 February 2020 17: 23 New
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        Sense to learn? In a country of clan-family capitalism? where there are no social and professional elevators that take into account only knowledge and skills? My wife told me how she once shamed one truant, so he explained everything to her so calmly: "Can I read, write? I can! And I don’t need to do the rest to put in taxes or put in windows in apartments, everything’s all I can’t find it anyway .....


        I respect your opinion, knowledge and life experience. hi ... But - I do not agree. And there are "elevators" in the zone. There are always chances. It’s not necessary to directly become the “governor of Valencia” .... Among my graduates from dense villages, one out of ten was able to break into prestigious universities of Rostov, Kazan, Moscow, etc. And they will receive good specialties in the oil industry, higher mathematics, army, etc. Good trained brains, general knowledge, ability to speak, write correctly, self-organization - have a price. Many students have already made good friends and earn money. It is believed that the "wife, car, home" will work.
        The remaining 90% stopped in development at the level of knowledge of the 7th grade. I did not see among them a hint of business. The usual "rural Honduras". They can work no higher than No. 3, No. 4 at the pick-up in the brigade of sensible men and nothing more. Indeed, such a state should be screened out after the 7th grade from school.
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          Those. Are you for the creation of a caste-class society at the official state level?
  7. rocket757 11 February 2020 07: 01 New
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    Truth in salary

    Can someone offer something else now?
    "And I'm going, and I'm going for .... not everyone traveled behind the fog before, but now it’s a very strange person to be a man, what would the truth be torn only for romance!"
    1. Grandfather 11 February 2020 07: 04 New
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      "And I'm going, and I'm going for.

      ... in money, only du crayfish go behind the fog! ") lol
      1. rocket757 11 February 2020 07: 41 New
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        Previously, it was also "strange", but there were still enough romantics, especially from the state, the work of the "romantics" was paid adequately if the state needed this, it was useful and useful.
        Combined business with pleasure, then it was!
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          Combined business with pleasure, then it was!

          it's true...
  8. Van 16 11 February 2020 07: 15 New
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    It seems to me that the connection between wages and the significance of this work for the country has been completely lost. I mean that the salary of a teacher or a worker at a defense plant does not compare with the salary of an accountant in the district administration or a freelance manager in a Gazprom office.
    1. bionik 11 February 2020 07: 45 New
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      Workers with the collapse of the USSR depreciated, in the Union the worker received an order of magnitude more than an ordinary engineer or accountant. That's why everyone goes to managers.
      1. 2 Level Advisor 11 February 2020 22: 00 New
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        Vladislav, is it really normal when a person who spent more years studying, is responsible for the process and hard workers, etc., receives less than they do? (I'm not talking about a high-level turner and a graduate of an engineering university on the same scale) why then study at a university?
    2. VicktorVR 11 February 2020 08: 05 New
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      Moreover, even those employers who would like to pay for qualifications, experience, and knowledge cannot do this because of their incompetence. It’s not even their fault, but trouble. There is completely no objective system for evaluating employees. And those attempts to create and implement it that I saw, didn’t cause anything except laughter and tears, because developers and "implementers" were just as incompetent.

      As a result, the employee’s assessment is now subjective. Those. as the boss "sees." If the boss is adequate and his goal is the productive work of the unit, then the workers' salary is “normal”. But this again should begin with the CEO.
  9. Lamata 11 February 2020 07: 50 New
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    The employment service with their vacancies is a wild profanity. I am silent about the size of benefits.
  10. igorra 11 February 2020 07: 59 New
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    The state is certainly to blame, but why no one talks about the so-called entrepreneurs.
    You think they want to raise their employees' salaries, yeah, well, this is a way out of the comfort zone, so suck your paw. A fresh example, they raised the mole, it is necessary to raise the salary, a new agreement is being written, where the hours are cut, but they still work with the same salary. The tax system needs to be changed and the punishment for violating labor laws is such that the children of our capitalists got into trouble.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 11 February 2020 09: 28 New
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      Salaries are not raised because people agree to work for what they offer. And they agree, because there is nowhere else to go. For salaries to grow, it is necessary that the number of entrepreneurs grow, and they begin to compete for workers. Now companies are competing for programmers, and they are offered salaries at the world level without any laws on protecting the rights of programmers - because if they offer lower, those who know something will not come to them. And state regulation leads only to the fact that everyone begins to engage in fraud, which you observe. It has always been so and will be so.
      1. Agieros 11 February 2020 15: 59 New
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        From experience I can say that this does not work. The volume of orders is not growing, and the number of entrepreneurs is increasing year by year. Everyone gets an ever smaller piece of the pie, and with a lack of adequately trained personnel, the number of all the same trained workers exceeds 1 per job. And salaries are falling. Programmers are also no longer piece goods, and are not traded for them. If you satisfy the requirements - you work, no - they will find one more. Everything is extremely simple. To increase salaries, more orders are needed; for more orders, more people are needed. who want and most importantly can buy something. In the meantime, we are in a situation where it is more profitable to order nuts from a private trader in a batch than to buy ready-made ones in a hardware store - it will be cheaper.
        1. 2 Level Advisor 11 February 2020 22: 06 New
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          where is it increasing?
          “According to the FinExpertiza audit and consulting network (RBC has their research), last year in Russia more than 290 thousand enterprises were opened and more than 600 thousand companies ceased operations. The number of enterprises closed in a year exceeded the number of those opened in 2,14, XNUMX times. "
    2. Erich 11 February 2020 10: 40 New
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      Well, do not go to the entrepreneur to work for a penny, are you being forced to chtoli? They didn’t think what would happen if tougher penalties and the tax system? They didn’t think that then they wouldn’t take anyone at all, or would they only take “robust” ones? In order to get a decent payment, you need to be a specialist, or at least strive for it, and not bend your fingers that all you need.
      1. Qas
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        And where to go at all if there is NO other work! Simply no! NO! What do not believe what happens?
        1. Erich 11 February 2020 12: 16 New
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          I have not met this. He worked in various jobs, from newspaper distribution to a factory (Chelyabinsk Chelyabinsk Refinery, private sector of woodworking). I always found work being with a child and spouse (unemployed). So you can find. I live in Chelyabinsk (millionaire). I proceed from the conditions of my location
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            Yeah, a millionaire ... Russia is wider and there are cities of 20000 people (where I live) and much less. Everywhere is a different situation. There is simply nowhere to work, just nowhere. Everything is collapsed, and what works everywhere is busy. And you do not need to judge only by yourself, others have a different life situation, different environment, other opportunities.
            I have been working since I was 14 years old, one and a half higher (university + courses), I work at 2 jobs and I think that I am doing quite well. But what is happening around the work is just darkness ...
        2. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 13: 53 New
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          Do you live in the Principality of Monaco? One company for the whole country?
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          To buy a ticket. I tried it myself. It helps.
  11. Dimy4 11 February 2020 08: 03 New
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    In our district Employment Center, the entire list, with the exception of two or three vacancies, is occupied by the district hospital, from doctors of all profiles to nursing staff. There, somehow, the specialist was required part-time, to monitor the computers, the network (zp 15 tr), but there they presented such requirements (knowledge of Assembler, C ++, Java, the ability to make sites, repair the network equipment), plus compulsory education as a software engineer. In the end, they took a boy with S / X education. For some reason, no one wanted to go to ours, I apologize, to go the hole as much as 15 tr. per month.
    1. 1970mk 11 February 2020 08: 28 New
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      A simple example .... Ivanovo region ... also in the rest ... we look .. work-DO NOT WANT
      https://ir-center.ru/sznregion/ivanov/cznivanovo.asp?rn=%C8%E2%E0%ED%EE%E2%EE&ActivityScopeNoStandart=True&SearchType=1&Region=37&Okato=44093&HideWithEmptySalary=False&ShowOnlyWithEmployerInfo=False&ShowOnlyWithHousing=False&Sort=5&PageSize=0&SpecialCategories=False&Grid-sort=&Grid-page=1&Grid-pageSize=100&Grid-group=&Grid-filter=
      1. Mordvin 3 11 February 2020 14: 05 New
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        A simple example .... Ivanovo region ... also in the rest ... we look .. work-DO NOT WANT

        Good example. What is your specialty and let's see together, for you personally, by this example, to find a job in Ivanovo. Work - I do not want. Not the smallest city, by the way, with a population of under half a million.
    2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 11 February 2020 08: 38 New
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      knowledge of languages ​​Assembler, C ++, Java, the ability to make sites, repair network equipment
      He laughed out loud. Lack of "designing digital circuits on VHDL, the development of machine vision algorithms, the ability to refuel printers."
      1. Dimy4 11 February 2020 08: 54 New
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        Laughed out loud

        Another example: three years ago, a lawyer was needed in one of the rural housing offices (the village of Voronye in the Kostroma region), but as my boss (neighbor) told me, he was still a plumber and knew how to climb wells. Budget says cut.
        1. musketon64 11 February 2020 19: 33 New
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          At our enterprise, an intelligent guy (a Kipovian in automation) wanted to go to another production, where he was promised a bigger salary. So there, as it turned out, in addition to the main work in the specialty, he had to fulfill the duties of an electrician and a plumber. And if when not busy with these works, then loaders to help. Refused such happiness. Look further - he said goodbye to potential employers.
      2. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 12: 06 New
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        The experience of piloting a fighter and the skills of an atomic power station operator are welcome.
    3. Alex Nevs 11 February 2020 09: 24 New
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      "knowledge of Assembler, C ++, Java, the ability to make sites, repair network equipment" and for 15tyr? With such knowledge, much more can now be found. A lot. This is not given to everyone. And the "son of the GENERAL" will overwhelm this business.
      1. Dimy4 11 February 2020 09: 49 New
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        "knowledge of Assembler, C ++, Java, the ability to make sites, repair network equipment" and for 15tyr? With such knowledge, much more can now be found.

        And the employer in such cases simply does not really understand what he needs, since he has no idea what the employee should do, press the reset button to go when the system hangs on someone. Or do something that makes Microsoft nervously smoke (harmful) aside. The latter case is clearly not about our hospital.
    4. fruit_cake 11 February 2020 11: 56 New
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      Five years ago I went to the employment center to study for a welder, they sent me a direction so that I could go to work as a computer operator for 8 thousand (!!!), as a result I went to theoretical courses of a welder, then they say come come take a diploma, I say so where is the practice? They thought, issued a direction to practice as a welder at the bakery, at the factory they said that I didn’t have a theoretical course, go still study, in the end I sent it all and did what I was fond of a bit: models for computer games. Now I’m an artist and I’m getting fine, that's how the authorities in our country superbly manage the staff. In general, I was a mechanical engineer by training and somehow before that I also went to the employment center where they offered me a job as a loader. The employment center is probably the most useless organization I've met in my entire life.
      1. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 16: 12 New
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        You cannot find a normal job in the employment center. Only friends, comrades.
  12. 1970mk 11 February 2020 08: 08 New
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    No one to work)))) Yes, nobody wants to work for FREE! Everything in the country accumulates in the pockets of various Uncles. And These Uncles are basically Putin's old friends. Does not see it only or blind. Who, in this regard, the people of the Russian Federation choose for yourself.
    1. Lamata 11 February 2020 08: 41 New
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      That's right, we are in control of the movement for a new socialism and Platoshkin !!! smile Edro in the furnace, Vekselberg in Israel.
      1. Erik 12 February 2020 14: 06 New
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        Come on? New socialism? How? Do not offer the Platoshkin program, pure game!
        1. Essex62 13 February 2020 07: 54 New
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          There may be different ways. It is possible to eliminate the counter from above, though it is hard to believe this, the counter will not eat itself. She will eat us. It is possible from below, when they are driven to extreme despair and adapt to ever-worsening living conditions, an ever-widening mass of citizens will not be possible. Socialism is so natural and fair that we will return to it inevitably.
  13. Alex66 11 February 2020 08: 34 New
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    The offered vacancies, or rather salaries and working conditions, are simply an abuse of the law, common sense and human dignity. Repeatedly checked by my friends.
    The lame one came to our workshop, I ask, can you work? No, I can’t, I only have a mark, and why a sick person was sent to work that was obviously not suitable for him.
    1. Lamata 11 February 2020 08: 40 New
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      There is such, many vacancies are just fiction. They are annoying the employer, give me a vacancy, but he really does not need you.
  14. Maks1995 11 February 2020 09: 02 New
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    Recently, my friends voiced the salary of a lecturer in the Moscow Region - 4,5 thousand rubles.

    A couple of acquaintances fled from general education.
    Well, not Muscovites, they are not Muscovites ...
  15. Esaul 11 February 2020 09: 03 New
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    It is necessary to take an IQ test when hiring for government posts, if less than 110 - bye. Also, once a quarter, public testing on a polygraph. True, then 90% of current officials will fly out, but new ones will come - smart and honest.
    1. Qwertyarion 11 February 2020 09: 47 New
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      True, then 90% of current officials will fly out, but new ones will come - smart and honest.

      Your faith in light and fair touches belay
    2. Agieros 11 February 2020 16: 05 New
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      It is dangerous that a person can be unique in the academic plan and absolutely not understanding real life and vice versa, understanding the essence and organization of things, but not capable of accurate calculations. Both will be a high level of intelligence, but in different areas. I would adjust the intelligence test with a full psychological examination, not for a tick, but a real test, and an independent commission of specialists in the future direction of work, not officials, but for example for someone who goes to the agro-industrial complex a conversation with representatives of farms, teachers of agricultural institutes and etc. Assessment for adequacy and professionalism.
  16. U-58 11 February 2020 09: 08 New
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    I work just in the aerospace industry.
    Zp in 92 thousand “dirty” get units of highly skilled workers taking into account daily evenings (TC rests, inspections watch once every 3 years) and work on the weekend.
    Young people have no experience or opportunity to earn such amounts.
    Statistics once again turns out to be a corrupt girl of the authorities (or for the authorities).
    But the marriage that happens (and in our industry the requirements are super-tight) also pops up in many thousands of deductions.
    1. fruit_cake 11 February 2020 11: 58 New
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      but every time we report on the number of starts and the money earned on this, where only this money is asked
  17. betta 11 February 2020 09: 10 New
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    I was shocked by the following message: "... in the Perm Territory they launched the Mobile Teacher program: they give the teacher a car and he goes around several schools of the district with lessons in a day." Unhappy teacher, he needs to wander around the area (hours), conduct a lesson (after that), return home (same time), prepare for the next day (hours), service the car. What kind of life is he like? For what money is it so tense?
    1. AK1972 11 February 2020 10: 45 New
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      Really strange. In this case, he must receive an additional rate (half-rate) of the driver and observe the regime of work and rest of the driver. And when did he check notebooks, write plans? Reporting again. In my opinion - rare crap.
    2. Qwertyarion 11 February 2020 11: 05 New
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      Quote: betta
      I was shocked by the following message: "... the Mobile Teacher program was launched in the Perm Territory: they give the teacher a car, and he goes around several schools of the district with lessons in a day."

      And this is not an advanced innovation, it is a “kirdyk” system due to a lack of personnel.
      So you can even get to mobile maternity hospitals.
    3. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 12: 02 New
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      And what is so shocking here? My wife, at one time, gave lectures at both the medical institute and the medical school. I moved around the city in my car.
      1. betta 11 February 2020 12: 44 New
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        It is shocking that this has become normal.
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      Unhappy teacher, he needs to wander around the area (hours), conduct a lesson (after that), return home (same time), prepare for the next day (hours), service the car.

      I wonder who pays for gas, and if the state, then how?
  18. Cowbra 11 February 2020 09: 12 New
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    What can this state of affairs talk about? Either worthless workers who no one needs come out of schools either local authorities do not analyze the labor market, and as a result, overproduction of some specialists and a shortage of others are created.

    Exactly. By the way. as soon as they began to practice, everywhere, including on this site - the howling of the liberators rose - "oh, the travelers are closing, ah. they are lying. that they are not needed!" wink
    Well and so ... There is one more crap. Before, I remember, the cant was next. It’s easy to get out of a trip. But there is no salary, no prospects either. The university has finished - rzhach begins. Give a qualified employee to employers ... But is a diploma not a qualification? No. With work experience. I, damn it, where will I get it from you? Either then I do not study, or work - but without a diploma. You can’t just write a diploma, especially when it is not compiled from an Internet, but for example a research project. And what? Really done, and often. One in her own bachelor's degree, first a master's degree, then the KBB received, in fact, one and the same.
  19. Mikhail3 11 February 2020 09: 16 New
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    It was, in particular, that in many cases, college programs do not meet the real requirements of the modern economy.

    As a result, the Ministry of Education was instructed to analyze them and create a methodological basis for their updating.
    Wonderful! Just great! Can I ask one question, from a place, because of the desk, so to speak? And what, excuse me, is the Ministry of Education busy with us? What are people doing there, the total salary of which is equal to the total salary of the city of a million people?
    We know that ordinary teachers are completely overwhelmed by reporting. No one can say why this reporting exists, but fact is fact. Mary Ivanovna sits all the evening, and sculpts tablets, and then sends them on command. Sea of ​​information, Christmas tree!
    But then it suddenly turns out that the Ministry of Education has absolutely NO REPRESENTATION that there are generally training programs in a huge class of educational institutions. That is, the ministry does not know at all what is going on there! And gigabytes of reports? And hundreds of tons of paper copies? Why the angel do teachers and teachers do all this, why are they killed ?!
    After all, the Ministry in general, absolutely, completely does not read any of this! And they have no idea about anything, and of course, no one there makes any efforts to at least do something concrete. The training programs that take place in schools do not correspond to anything. Well, what a surprise! We, stupid ones, think that the Ministry of Education is created to monitor and prevent such things! Stupid, stupid Russian people, do not understand anything ...
    1. Lamata 11 February 2020 09: 41 New
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      Just the same social principle - accounting and control. And what do we want, if the arvation of the accountant and the financiers of Yu were, reporting is most important for them.
  20. Million 11 February 2020 09: 53 New
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    Who is to blame for this?
    1. Lamata 11 February 2020 11: 30 New
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      The one you know about yes
  21. Gardamir 11 February 2020 10: 03 New
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    As for unemployment rates that are creeping down.
    Remember how many plants stood under Yeltsin. Most factories, not even closed, are destroyed. The issue of jobs has been resolved. And what about the freed people? And the people on the graveyard. And the decline of the people is not yet shown, because there is a substitution of imports. Workers from the south, not only wipers, they are already almost everywhere. Doctors and nurses, police, tax inspectors, bank employees ...
    1. Primus 11 February 2020 10: 30 New
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      I concluded for myself that ITR is currently unprofitable in enterprises. Zp approaching approaches zp janitor, and requests for knowledge of experience and responsibility for the requirements for the astronaut. The last pensioners are leaving, there is no replacement and will not be, but it still does not reach the employers. The last factory from which I left calls back for 25, everything is natural with the duties of "if not you then who" is ridiculous to her God.
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 11 February 2020 11: 16 New
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        but it still doesn't reach employers
        It does not reach, because they are not interested in the effectiveness and quality of their work. They work for the state order, and products for the state order are made for bonded people (military, civil servants), who in any case will eat what they give. Government orders are obtained through acquaintance with the right people - that is, corruption, which individual statesmen proclaim "a lubricant for the economy."
        1. Alex66 11 February 2020 11: 33 New
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          Previously, it is rare for a military representative to surrender the first time, where did they go or canceled the requirements. The system was worse than the quality mark and could not be forced to sign until corrected.
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            Give them a try now. Only nitpicking is some kind of funny. They made a prototype, started to adjust the design documentation in order to improve manufacturability, and launched a pilot batch. Military representatives say: "If you make changes to the CA of the experimental batch, change the prototype." In this case, why do we need R&D and OCD, and the deadlines are burning. So customer training also leaves much to be desired.
        2. Primus 11 February 2020 13: 19 New
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          Alas, private traders not spoiled by state orders have the same
      2. Mikhail3 11 February 2020 13: 21 New
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        Somehow I looked through vacancies, sat and simply neighing. The organization is looking for a specialist in instrumentation and automation, who is ready to go around the clock for accidents and problems in boiler rooms. Plus, scheduled maintenance of instrumentation and automation systems for those boiler rooms, maintenance of fire alarm systems (fire alarm systems), plus repair of failed equipment circuits. So it is written - repair schemes. Tinning, soldering, changing ...
        And the salary ... pubs ... 14t.r. I already called there, it became interesting, maybe some bonuses will be called in the conversation? They called. In an accident, drive out in your car. What about gas? No, "it's all in the city!" I wished them success in finding a specialist in several specialties for the salary of a security guard in Pyaterochka.
    2. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 16: 50 New
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      This is only in large cities where the indigenous population neglects such work. In the outback, often, indigenous and janitors and road workers.
  22. Radikal 11 February 2020 12: 23 New
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    Is it a shame for the power? Is it really poor to prepare your specialists for such projects? And will our people really refuse to work on the construction sites of the century, to create the "national treasure"?
    And who should be offended by whom the author means? Those with children studying abroad, with money and real estate there, and considering the Russian Federation as a territory for feeding? To whom the call of the author is addressed - there, after all, there are no others. sad
  23. bk316 11 February 2020 12: 59 New
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    We have created a fucking bias towards accountants, lawyers and other managers am
    There are catastrophically lacking normal engineers and programmers, I’m not talking about working specialties, they killed professional profs back in the late 80s.
    This can’t be fixed in a couple of years. For the country this is bad, but for the same programmers and engineers it is very good.
    Now the encoder is without experience but from a normal university immediately for a hundred. After a couple of three years, if not at all dumb for 200. Further, in different ways.
  24. toha124 11 February 2020 13: 06 New
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    The problem of staff shortage is not only in salary. There is still the problem of the attitude of society towards working professions. As long as the worker will be considered a failure, who could not even in the most miserable higher education, nothing will change. And we don’t need ideology, yes ...
  25. iouris 11 February 2020 13: 07 New
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    Everything is fine. Let the tractor work: it is iron. Can not do - teach how to do! You can’t teach - teach how to teach! As population decreases, incomes will increase (on average).
    1. Qwertyarion 11 February 2020 15: 47 New
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      As population decreases, income will increase (on average).

      Oh, how interesting he wrote!
      It is necessary to clarify the words, however ... We did not understand belay
  26. Yuriy Malyshko 11 February 2020 16: 41 New
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    I didn’t read such a jumbled article on Military Review. Is it about unemployment, or about the problems of vocational schools?
    1. gsev 11 February 2020 21: 03 New
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      I didn’t read such a jumbled article on Military Review. Is it about unemployment, or about the problems of vocational schools?

      But the article raised an Important issue and touched many for the living. Putin recently said that the Russian government pays workers and engineers in the national defense industry ten times less than the US. It is interesting to read the comments of those who were among them Russian engineers and workers.
  27. Yuriy Malyshko 11 February 2020 17: 16 New
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    ... the last three years, unemployment rates are slowly but surely creeping down

    These "indicators" creep down only because every year the Methodology for determining the status of the unemployed changes! In 2010, in the Russian newspaper (an organ of the Government of the Russian Federation), I read one review article based on an interview with a senior official of the Federal State Statistics Service, from which I learned that 36% working-age citizens of the Russian Federation do not officially work anywhere. (By the way, from here comes the lack of funds in the Pension Fund). Now such revelations of senior officials in the state media are strictly filtered. Although economists, who do not owe anything to the Presidential Administration and the Government, write that since then this figure has only grown. In a word, a huge number of people in the modern Russian Federation are interrupted by random earnings (I know many people by the face: these are my fellow countrymen who in the season - 4-5 months a year) sell mushrooms and berries collected in forests, chop wood, dig gardens. ..wealthy neighbors). About 2–3 million people (mostly young people) who did not find work in the Russian Federation and left in search of a better share abroad do not fall into the number of unemployed. Several millions of former collective farmers, for whom several hectares of agricultural land are a share, even if this land has long been overgrown with small forests or marshy, are not subject to accounting, it is believed that such citizens have a source of income. Real unemployment is growing !!!
    1. agond 11 February 2020 18: 16 New
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      The slogan that in order to get a decent payment you need to be a worthy specialist is not true, if the employee really knows his own worth, then you need to negotiate with him, and the mentality of the strong side (represented by the employer) does not allow contracts with the weak side (even if it is very smart) and then fools can be pushed around like a hosh ..
    2. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 18: 52 New
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      Among youth there are now a lot of children who work on free bread and are not going to plow on uncle. From all sorts of youtube bloggers and designers to programmers and garage mechanics. According to statistics, they are unemployed, in fact their income can only be envied.
    3. fif21 11 February 2020 19: 51 New
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      Real unemployment is growing !!!

      A military pensioner cannot be unemployed; he has a source of income - a pension! hi
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  29. Aingof 11 February 2020 19: 24 New
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    An electrician is not something that cannot connect the POWER part of the frequency converter, although there is a circuit directly on it, they can not power the electrical cabinet correctly (they will not connect 0, they confuse 0 with the ground).

    This is what he ended up, confusing zero with the ground ...

    He didn’t finish, he worked somewhere else, because he was over 40. There was a story in December, the drive burned out, after 3 days of replacement, the tape dispenser (conveyor) twitched at low speeds. On the drive, a single-phase inverter 0,75 kW, for 3 days they changed the gearbox and the motor to more powerful ones (the engine was 0,75) until at night the Kipovans on duty could drive the rated current (yes, the frequency meters set the Kipovians on a piece of paper, the electricians were scared of displays and strange icons), dragged the 2,2 kW engine. In the morning they told me, I went to look, they searched for the engine for half a day and assembled the gearbox (I am silent that the engine is 0,75 gearbox 1,5), tuned, started and stopped the tape by hand. He opened the bar and, like a star, instead of a triangle. 3 days and the assertion that the inverter is to blame. And as a highlight: I explain to the new electrician which inverters 220 and which 380V, surprised eyes and the question of how he remakes one phase in 3 and where is the capacitor. But in fact they don’t even look that they connect and do not turn on the head. Accustomed to 3 phases connected and free.
    1. Goto 16 February 2020 01: 15 New
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      So, in general, the electrician correctly says that there are instrumentation and control devices for tuning frequency chambers. But when you studied instrumentation and automation, you were not taught, for example, how to install high-voltage couplings, or how to assemble transformer substations, or how to lay cable in trenches.
  30. fif21 11 February 2020 19: 46 New
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    All employers want young, healthy, smart, conscientious, honest, skilled ...... employees to work for them. And what can they give the employee? A decent salary? - no! Youth? -No! Health? -No! Education? -No! Honest and conscientious (popularly called losers) Are there many employers who are willing to pay for continuing education (5-6 grades are needed)? The requirements are at the global level, and salaries and living standards differ from world standards like heaven and earth. And having completed work, what do you get? -Poverty pension! (if you still get it!) And a bunch of diseases. At the same time, the state should help parents raise and train the employee, and upon retirement, provide pension and treatment. Many national projects, this is an inefficient investment of money. hi
  31. Viktor77 11 February 2020 19: 56 New
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    It’s good that I’m retired, and if I’m working now, then for pennies .. Normally people don’t pay now, so they have enough for a living, so as not to get into credit bondage ....

    That's right, they pay a minimum so as not to die of hunger. And it seems to me that such a level of salaries is set intentionally. Because a person is a creature with many needs: housing, study, treatment ... BANKS parasitize on all this. You can only earn by hernia by honest labor. That’s why people take mortgages and loans at a predatory interest, then pay half their lives stuffing the money with the gentlemen .. We learned how to milk the people. But it’s unprofitable for the people to build the real economy so that they can work for the gentlemen. They pump oil and gas, sell it over a hill, money both the river and the people still pay them interest for surviving ...
    STEAM.
  32. Erik 11 February 2020 20: 00 New
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    In other countries, primarily the “developed”, the debt load of the population is much higher than in Russia. This is a symptom of a "consumer society", not the merit of any government.

    Will you stew for a long time here? Tales of bad people and a good king? Yes?
  33. vindigo 11 February 2020 20: 28 New
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    Nobody will transfer any experience now. Under capitalism we live, why breed competitors? Enterprises want highly qualified specialists, but they themselves do not want to invest in studies. For free, that is, they want specialists. In my life experience, only one enterprise had employee training. And then this is a state office, a service organization for a larger state. corporations. And so they only know how to moan, some ignoramuses around, not enough specialists.
  34. Petrol cutter 11 February 2020 20: 34 New
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    I agree with the article almost entirely.
    The author of "chip-hacks."
    I would like to write a sheet by explaining all theses, but there is no longer any strength or desire. Bo day turned out to be very intense (with a damn “storm” and almost a hurricane. Our boat was torn off the mooring lines and carried around the base. He beat himself and did a business. With the proud name “Poltava”. This is not counting the broken glass of the workshop blown by the wind. Well, such ...
    In the case, I consider the main problem with the staff, the lack of decent pay. This is the cornerstone. None of the young people will go (especially in modern times) to deliberately ruin their health, get injured and have the prospect of lying “on a hill” at fifty dollars for 35/40 thousand a month. And this is still "closed pretty well." And so, you have the right to receive 20/24 and not deny yourself anything.
    And besides, uniform payment across the industry.
    I can’t understand why the same work, almost on the same equipment, performed with the same level of quality, costs in St. Petersburg XNUMX thousand rubles a month, and in the town of Primorsky - forty ?! Moreover, it is performed by the same people. How is it so?! .. why such distortions?!.
    It is clear to the goat that everyone will leave for the capital. Only veterans and those for whom health is no longer allowed to leave will remain in place. For example, to me. What is again a bias. Everything cannot be built in the capitals.
    1. fif21 13 February 2020 14: 53 New
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      I can’t understand why the same work, almost on the same equipment, performed with the same level of quality, costs in St. Petersburg XNUMX thousand rubles a month, and in the town of Primorsky - forty ?!

      Muscovites bought a factory from us. They asked the average salary, they were told 8 thousand rubles. This is enough for you here !!! There was an answer! Result - the factory has closed! The greed of Moscow fraers ruined! wassat
      And so it is everywhere! They learned to steal, wring, but in business .........., whose managers they hire, they row money for themselves, and they throw the owners. And rightly so! hi
  35. 7,62h54 11 February 2020 22: 26 New
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    Unemployment rates are another cheating, like inflation, production growth, life expectancy. A lot can be listed. To officially become unemployed, you need to try very hard. Therefore, many do not bother. Real unemployment will be more than official figures.
  36. Protos 12 February 2020 00: 16 New
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    Yes, there is someone to work!
    It’s just that we have a stupid stereotype that 45-year-old experienced and assiduous aunts work worse than 22-year-old brainless nipples living in social networks who are also constantly on decrees laughing
    1. Primus 12 February 2020 03: 59 New
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      My head gas technicians teach me “remotely” wassat it’s pointless to teach him anything, they run instantly with zp “minimal”, it’s easier as a guard for the same zp sad
  37. maiman61 12 February 2020 09: 02 New
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    But how not to be a problem? No fools, work for a penny! Putin’s bosses behave like gentlemen in a serfdom! I am a mechanical engineer, got a job, the salary is 15 rubles a month. The lords - critters began to put pressure on me, the amount of work is colossal, and they demand that I take work from home, and come to work on weekends. And they have space salaries! And I have to plow for 000 15 rubles! Sent them all in three letters!
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      Citations: Dmitry Medvedev "Over the past 20 years, a new layer of people has appeared in Russia who do not know what money earned by their labor ..."
      Vladimir Putin "Yes - the profession of a lawyer is certainly much more complicated than the profession of a turner ..."

      Where are you rushing three Russian black sheep ??? Again along the abyss yes along the edge ???
      Gas and oil flow over a hill - and from there money flows into the pockets of the lords ... Everything else can be bought ... Why take a steam bath about some experts there ??? - they don’t die of hunger, and all right ...
  38. vladimych 12 February 2020 10: 08 New
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    "Is it a shame for the state? Is it really poor to train our specialists for such projects? And will our people really refuse to work on the construction sites of the century, to create the" national treasure "? Especially for the considerable salaries that they are offered? Or they still do not?" And HERE "Firstly, for high-tech industries there are special colleges to which not everyone has access to the road. Secondly, this is piece goods, a lot of them are not required." It would be necessary to decide.
    1. Victor N 12 February 2020 14: 37 New
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      In order to prepare specialists (any), those who want to study are needed. There have always been problems with this, now there are less people willing to study diligently. Studying is hard work, you need to force yourself. Neither the teacher nor the state can force, just create the conditions.
      1. Petrol cutter 14 February 2020 23: 01 New
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        And to create conditions, this is, first and foremost, materially interested. Capitalism is in the yard.
        A person learns and understands, then he will receive / earn normal money. He will provide for himself and his future family.
  39. Sergey49 12 February 2020 14: 45 New
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    When there is oil and gas, workers are not needed, only security guards. Gaster employees will be hired.
  40. Maxim Stroyev 13 February 2020 02: 02 New
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    When the labor market is in short supply, salaries rise. In Russia, there is no increase in salaries. With these words, I refute your entire article. If the RFP does not grow, then employers do not need to attract workers, they are sure that the honey will work for 12.000 rubles.
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    now in earnest discussion of lowering the minimum wage to a value lower, and so lying "living wage", that is, actually up to 10000 rubles.

    This is being done on purpose, and many of this kind of initiative is just like pension reform.
    And stuffing fake regularly appear. People are preparing for revolution, politicizing.
    Liberals want to overthrow the power of the military.