Fights under Taftanaz: New losses of Turkish troops reported in Idlib

From Syria there are reports of allegedly new shelling in the direction of the Turkish military in Syria. The Turkish news agency Anadolu some time ago came out with short material, which without details says that several soldiers of the Turkish armed forces were again killed in Syria.

Recall that earlier (February 3) in the General Staff of the Turkish Army it was announced the death of 8 troops as a result of shelling by the positions of the Syrian government forces.

According to reports from the Turkish NTV channel, this time the Turkish military contingent in the SAR lost three troops. According to other sources - five. It is alleged that they came under fire in the province of Idlib. At the same time, there is still no official data on whether they were at one of the “agreed” observation posts or were part of Idlib as part of the next military convoy.

Meanwhile, the network claims that the Turkish army suffered losses in the area of ​​the village of Taftanaz. The airfield is located in this area, which the Turkish army had previously decided to take control of. There is also a large group of militants who are fighting with the Syrian army, carrying out shelling, including using mortars and artillery shells.

A Lebanese information resource AMN reports that Turks have come under fire aviation and artillery SAA. It is additionally said that Turkish forces lifted attack helicopters above Taftanaz. Earlier, the Turkish military had no support in the form of helicopters in this region of Syria.

And so it begins;

Turkish artillery #Idlib started pounding the # Assad regime militias to support a counter-offensive by the #Syrian opposition against regime forces.

It is being said that #Turkish soldiers will join soon: pic.twitter.com/JNbdCB86z4

- Ömer Özkizilcik (@OmerOzkizilcik) February 10, 2020

Comments

[Livonetc]

That's interesting.
And what about the modern Turkish army with a fighting spirit?
Who knows?

[Sergey39]

Morale is manifested in the defense of their land. No one is attacking Turkey.

[Chaldon48]

Without retaliation, the fighting spirit of any army is further undermined.

[Roman1970_1]

The Turks have already answered. They attacked 115 targets controlled by Assad, of which 101 were destroyed.
The Turks said they would continue to attack.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Roman1970_1

The Turks have already answered. They attacked 115 targets controlled by Assad, of which 101 were destroyed.
The Turks said they would continue to attack.

believe ???

[Pastor]

Like in that old joke: So you say))

[Roman1970_1]

I do not know. The Turks handed over.
Probably they lied, maybe they lied a lot

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Roman1970_1

I do not know. The Turks handed over.
Probably they lied, maybe they lied a lot

they looked at how their Amer brothers on the net were rubbing about rubbing after an Iranian attack on their bases, and they also lashed about seven in one fell swoop !!!

[Alex Justice]

Morale is manifested in the defense of their land.

Does this apply to Germany and Japan at 2 MB?

[Briz]

Yes, and at least ours in Afghanistan, and even in Syria.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Morale is manifested in the defense of their land.

And the Swiss and Italian hiking Suvorov?
And what about the expeditionary force of the Russian army during World War I in France?
And the defense of Port Arthur?
And the capture of Corfu Ushakov?
In all of these examples, a Russian soldier demonstrated morale away from his homeland.

[Thrifty]

And who invited them to Syria at all, and why? Uninvited "guests" should be met in such a way - "with a very hot dish" so that they forget the way to the Syrian lands.

[Freeman]

Quote: Livonetc

That's interesting.
And what about the modern Turkish army with a fighting spirit?

Article title, "Fights under Taftanaz: Reported new losses of Turkish troops in Idlib "
- can be interpreted as the fact that the soldiers of the Turkish troops are fights under the influence of a certain narcotic substance and bear losses.

Shl. "Fritzes", in the Second World War, I remember also dabbled in "Pervitin".

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Livonetc

That's interesting.
And what about the modern Turkish army with a fighting spirit?
Who knows?

they said they had inflicted 150 attacks on the SAA ... the losses were incredible ... the current is to believe the pseudosultan - do not respect yourself !!!

[Demagogue]

The breaking blow to the north on Kafr Nuran, about which I wrote, is finally delivered. Further north lies an open area, which allows you to develop an offensive.
By the way, criticism of respected opponents, who stated that the strike would be only along the m5, was naive. Further along the m5 there are heights dug in by the broads along and across. It made no sense to meddle there. Need coverage at the back. It turns out they kill two birds with one stone: the road opens to the highway from the border to Idlib and to the rear of the baboons near Aleppo.
The Turkish counterattack at Serakib apparently failed. Moreover, apparently as a result of artduels, the Turks poured gifts. They write a lot of wounded.

[Sky strike fighter]

I think that Syria is going to aggravate the conflict with Turkey in vain. The current Syria will not pull the war with Turkey. And here, as they say, the main thing is to start.

[Same lech]

I think that Syria is going to aggravate the conflict with Turkey in vain. The current Syria will not pull the war with Turkey.

But they are going to aggravate ... without serious justification, it would hardly be done ... then we don’t know what.

[Sky strike fighter]

For the Turks, who have a stronger army than the Syrian to aggravate and provoke a conflict, it means giving themselves the opportunity to replay the already lost war in Syria. Therefore, I don’t understand why the SAA had to climb under Taftanaz, you free the M5 highway and then the Constitutional Committee. Or do you think that the West will give Assad so easy to return Idlib to his control? And now for Assad, everything has become much more complicated.


Turkey fired on the Syrian city of Sarakib in the province of Idlib, which was knitted under the control of the Syrian army a few days ago. It is reported by the Arab television channel Al Jazeera.
It is noted that Turkish troops used heavy artillery pieces. The shelling took place in the city of Sarakib and its environs.
In addition, according to media reports, armed groups of the Syrian opposition, under the cover of Turkish artillery, attacked units of the government army in the east of Idlib province.

[Graz]

if the Syrians want to live on their land as masters, then they should shoot Turks from every hut for killing from every angle and not bother, only in any way, and Russia should help Syria to cover the sky with air defense systems and equipment from bases storage, it is better if it shoots at the Turks than rust

[Yeraz]

Quote: Graz

if the Syrians want to live on their land as masters, then they should shoot at the Turks because of every hut, from every angle to kill and not bother, the only way

yes, therefore, in Turkey, 4 million Syrians, who are not eager to return to Syria, do not talk about those who have seeped into Europe and plus the same number in Idlib, who also do not want Assad to embrace.
Therefore, there is no need to speak for all Syrians. And there are still Syrians Kurds who also live separately with the Americans.

[aiden]

There is the same evil as in Idlib sitting. In Syria, they cut their heads and in Turkey and Europe they are students. Europe is still suffering with them. Yes, and the Turks, too

[Yeraz]

Quote: aiden

There is the same evil as in Idlib sitting.

well, for you they are evil, for them you are. I, as a Shiite, have heard enough of this from life on both sides, so you can judge by these categories for people to give Serenity to your actions, that's all.

[aiden]

But I don’t cut my heads wrong, and I do not kill children, old people and women. Do not drag me to these sectarians

[Yeraz]

Quote: aiden

But I don’t cut my heads wrong, and I do not kill children, old people and women. Do not drag me to these sectarians

Think Asadovtsy flowers there distribute ?? There everyone is worthy of each other.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Yeraz

Quote: aiden

But I don’t cut my heads wrong, and I do not kill children, old people and women. Do not drag me to these sectarians

Think Asadovtsy flowers there distribute ?? There everyone is worthy of each other.

I suppose you came here to drown for the Turks ???

[Yeraz]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

I suppose you came here to drown for the Turks ???

I am here for objectivity, and not for fairy tales. And the Turks themselves admit that all kinds of HTS are still scumbags. For example, the same Uigurs are more attracted to HTS than to purely Turkish units. And the Turks would be glad to get rid of them and have 100% loyal unit, but the local population supports these guys. Therefore, we have to reconcile.
This is a civil war. And not Assad for which the entire population, who is fighting terrorists who have fallen from the sky.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Yeraz

I am here for objectivity, and not for fairy tales.

however, the first has nothing to do with you !!!

Quote: Yeraz

And the Turks themselves recognize

you never know what they recognize and declare there ... their actions say otherwise !!!
We hope that the troubles that he brings to Syria will fully spread to him in Turkey !!

[Yeraz]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

however, the first has nothing to do with you !!!

Well, where am I to your objectivity with the popularly elected Assad and the rest entirely terrorist population)))

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

We hope that the troubles that he brings to Syria will fully spread to him in Turkey !!

The trouble they have is a term, we are not eternal in this world.

[2112vda]

I know what the so-called "Syrian refugees" are doing in Turkish territory from my own relatives who have been on a long business trip in the border areas with Syria. They are ISIS people. You need to bring them to life, by what methods, that's another question.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Yeraz

Quote: Graz

if the Syrians want to live on their land as masters, then they should shoot at the Turks because of every hut, from every angle to kill and not bother, the only way

yes, therefore, in Turkey, 4 million Syrians, who are not eager to return to Syria, do not talk about those who have seeped into Europe and plus the same number in Idlib, who also do not want Assad to embrace.
Therefore, there is no need to speak for all Syrians. And there are still Syrians Kurds who also live separately with the Americans.

you are less than a fairy tale mustachio listen !!

[Yeraz]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

you are less than a fairy tale mustachio listen !!

I don’t hear fairy tales of a mustachioed one. But I really know. It is my relatives who go to Turkey and see how Istanbul turned into Syria, where Syrians are everywhere. Therefore, listen less to Solovyov and the others.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Yeraz

These are my relatives who go to Turkey and see how Istanbul turned into Syria,

weakly ... finally ... they fully deserved to make it worse there than in Syria !!!

[Nick Russ]

,, These are my relatives who go to Turkey and see how Istanbul turned into Syria, where Syrians are everywhere. ,,

So it’s clear why. They are fleeing from war.
And from any aggressor you need to defend yourself. And if possible, to drive from Syria, and the United States, and Turkey, and the IG, and the opposition that started this chaos.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Nick Russ

So it’s clear why. They are fleeing from war.

oh well ?? Well, they didn’t run to the territory controlled by Assad ?? Even after so many liberated lands, where they are no longer fighting and even nearby, they are in no hurry to return to their homeland?

[Nick Russ]

Well, okay ?? Well, they didn’t run to the territory controlled by Assad ??

First, there is devastation. And secondly, the war is not over yet.

[Essex62]

So "Vlasovites" and sykuns, hoping to wait out, to save the skin will always be found. Even here, even in Syria. The people of Syria support their leader and fight for the integrity of the state. It's not worth pointing out ethnic differences. In the Second World War, Moscow was defended by Uzbeks and Kazakhs, Jews and Belarusians. All peoples of the USSR.
It’s time for the Turks to go home; the Ottoman Empire is long gone, let them forget.

[os-in]

Turkey fired on the Syrian city of Sarakib in Idlib province) so the Turks first opened fire) five minutes before the talks

[Alex Nevs]

Well, ...... And whose air?

[qpeqop]

There is a justification. I remember that one of the prophets predicted that Turkey would be defeated and divided between Greece, Syria, Iran and Iraq. I kept wondering when it would start and how.

[Nick Russ]

Prophecies of St. Paisius the Holy Mountaineer:

,, Russians will occupy Turkey, Turkey will disappear from the map, because a third of the Turks will convert to Christianity, a third will die and a third will go to Mesopotamia ”,,

https://pravoslavie.ru/88174.html

[St Petrov]

I think that Syria is in vain aggravating the conflict with Turkey.

Well, just as it should be in sane countries - when the troops of a neighboring country invade your territory - you need to resist.

[Sky strike fighter]

If you have enough strength to effectively resist.Forget how in 2015 Damascus resisted ate and how many years it took for the situation for Syria to become more or less comfortable as it is now, if you want to escalate and unleash a hopeless war with Turkey, so that the situation of the SAA will worsen significantly and improve the position of the "opposition", and now in fact the Turkish army? It is necessary to think. In fact, they decided to start anew the won war on conditions that were not favorable for Syria?

[V.I.P.]

Hmm ... why Idlib? ALL oil areas are occupied by Kurds and Amers. All are located above the Euphrates. There are almost no oil and gas towers in the territory of Damascus controlled. And this is why Syria is buying oil now (a pair of Iranian tankers recently intercepted for transporting (smuggling) oil to Syria is evidence of this. Damascus does not have money, so economically important territories would be freed from the invaders)) ... A confrontation with more a strong opponent .... Or have you put up with the loss of those territories? ... ... ... And Idlib has no values ​​except political propaganda. Well, the militants, wherever they are, conduct shelling and battles with the SAA, regardless of their affiliation (igil, An-nusra and local tribes).

[Romka47]

They said the same thing that they were not extended, there was no territory left. And where are they now? I understand you perfectly that 1 on 1 and with all Assad's support, the picture is not rosy, BUT if now (as everywhere and always) they give their finger away, they will tear out their hand along with the collarbone. What am I doing? Going full of roses to the Turks until the victorious end, of course, doesn’t make sense and sound logic (for now), but you need to quit them as much as you can on your land !!!

[Altai72]

The Turks also consider this land their way))

[Briz]

Estonians also consider the Pytalovsky district their own, but we do not believe them!

[flicker]

The Turks also consider this land their way))

And they consider Crimea theirs.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

The current Syria will not pull the war with Turkey.

You completely forgot one more counterparty in this business. Syria, as such, will not pull, but with the support of Russia it will pull.
Turkey is much stronger than Syria and will definitely win in the 1x1 conflict, but under pressure from Russia and bound hand and foot with obligations to Putin, this is no longer a fact.
they won’t even be able to use aviation. Now the Turkish army in Idlib looks like a big guard dog on a chain that is beaten with a stick. the chain does not give a strong bite, but no one bothers the Syrians to wave a stick. even the opposite. very awkward situation for the Turks.
Of course, they can break the chain, but this is a conflict with Russia and a completely different story

[Uran53]

What are we on? GDP does not abandon its own, especially when so much money swelled into Syria. And the Turks, while making more noise than doing something.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

. The current Syria will not pull the war with Turkey.

and the Turks can not pull !!

[svp67]

Quote: Demagogue

The Turkish counterattack at Serakib apparently failed. Moreover, apparently as a result of artduels, the Turks poured gifts. They write a lot of wounded.

I already know who the Turks will now blame for this failure ....

[rruvim]

With your prayers ... But so far there has been no Turkish counterstrike. While the Turks are consolidating on the Marat al-Naasana - Atareb line. But if the Turkish aviation begins to operate, for the CAA it "will not seem a little". It is necessary that the Russian Aerospace Forces push through the "no-fly zone" for at least a month. Then, at least for a while, between TSK and the separatists on the one hand and the SAA with the IRGC units on the other, there will be approximate equality in ground forces.

[soldat tv]

Militants with the Turkish military in the immediate vicinity of the front line near Sarmin, February 10, 2020

[KBaHT_BpeMeHu]

Militants with the Turkish military in the immediate vicinity of the front line near Sarmin

The Turkish army, all together with bearded men, is attacking the positions of the ATS.
Around 08:00 - 09:00 local time, Turkish army artillery and MLRS attacked the positions of the Syrian military in the vicinity of the recently liberated city of Serakib. Most of the Turkish attacks hit the villages of Neyrab and Trumba. After the artillery bombardment, attack groups of militants and the Turkish army went on the attack on Neyrab. The militants used Turkish armored personnel carriers. Islamists in their accounts openly publish photos of the Turkish infantry participating in the counterattack. In response to the direct participation of the Turkish army in the counterattacks of the militants, the Syrian army artillery attacked the locations of the Turkish military. In particular, the Taftanaz helicopter base, 10 km away, was hit. north of Serakib.

[Sergey39]

"Additionally, it is said that Turkish forces have taken off attack helicopters over Taftanaz."
Good reason to practice helicopter shooting.

[Sky strike fighter]

And to start a war with Syria’s one of the strongest armies in the region, the Turkish one. Without further thought, Syria didn’t think Turkey was a NATO member.

[paul3390]

As for the strongest - a moot point .. The Syrians have an order of magnitude more fighting experience, and we taught them - we .. And over the years, they threw a lot of iron. It can be sent back to the Kurds as well .. But NATO-no one attacks Turkey, it climbed into other people's territory and got horns .. Does it make sense then to fit in for them?

[Sky strike fighter]

Syria has not so many combat-ready units. Tigers and who else? The colossal losses of a long war are affecting. Now is not the best time to butt with Turkey. You really need to look at things.

[aiden]

We must silently watch the Turks host the Syrian land. I am sure your grandfather during the Second World War thought how to expel filthy fascist scum from their native land. And probably drove her. And he did not have thoughts like you So Syrians.

[Genry]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

And to start a war with Syria’s one of the strongest armies in the region, the Turkish one. Without further thought, Syria didn’t think Turkey was a NATO member.

The war with Syria will cause a crisis within Turkey itself. Although Erdogan crushed all sorts of internal unrest, but this is only the balance between discontent and power pressure. The outbreak of war will upset this balance and Turkey itself will be in a position, like Syria with ISIS. The economy will immediately collapse and a complete breakdown in relations with Russia.

NATO: it has sufficient pragmatism and understands that intervention means an imbalance of the entire economy and world war, and nuclear weapons are on hand.

States: they can only incite others, but they can fight on a large scale against the interests / support of Russia - they are afraid and will not. They will try to earn money, but military operations will immediately drop the dollar and bring down the financial system.

Israel: really wants to play with muscles, but only when the States cover it. But in the event of a fight, no one will look back at the States and will be able to plunge him with great blood and without nuclear weapons. This, again, will lead to internal political instability (Arabs, immigrants ...), blocking energy resources ...

Russia: already got involved in Syria and will not back down. Directly at its borders, it will strictly maintain order and can take advantage of the situation to partially restore the Union ....
Presidential elections, in a war, will be canceled.

China: stocking up with popcorn .... Then the Pacific begins to bite.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Genry

China: stocking up with popcorn .... Then the Pacific begins to bite.

in general, yes, but China is not up to popcorn right now. they have their own party squabble there.

[Briz]

Everything is so, only the big minus is the supply of us and Syria through Turkey.

[yfast]

Is popcorn a virus?

[Serwid]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

And to start a war with Syria’s one of the strongest armies in the region, the Turkish one. Without further thought, Syria didn’t think Turkey was a NATO member.

So what? Now all these Latvia and Estonia will rush ahead of each other to help Turkey.

[rruvim]

I agree with you. To compensate for something, a direct entry of the RF Armed Forces into the SAR is needed. Moreover, it is 100% legitimate under international law. According to the agreement on "... on mutual assistance" with the SAR.

[flicker]

war with one of the strongest armies in the region, the Turkish

Let it be to you. There, the Ukrainian army also considers itself the strongest in Europe. So what ?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Turkey member of NATO

and what is so special about ???

[knn54]

The sultan is too arrogant when he considers the militants "his". It is worth giving the Yankees a command and EVERYTHING.
They are fighting for bucks, not liras. So it’s too early to draw conclusions with the shelling of the Turks.

[donavi49]

Well, those militants who are now grouping for a counteroffensive on Turkish technology, or manual (from Al-Bab and Northern Aleppo - where in fact Turkey is already, with the Turkish administration and laws) or HTS / Uzbeks and others, according to which the Yankees regularly shoot with Helfaers with blades .

Here they are waiting for the go-ahead. Erdogan is currently conferring with the Minister of War:
Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, Milli Savunma Bakanı Akar ile görüşüyor

[Yeraz]

and what number are involved from Syria ?? how much is this in numbers ??

[V.I.P.]

Watched videos from Syria. There, the militants are loading onto the M-113 armored personnel carriers, as in the first photo. Interestingly, they are all wearing body armor and camouflage of the same type. The feeling of a regular army, not of militants. Only black masks, and headbands with Arabic script on the head distinguishes them from army units. They are well equipped ..

[flicker]

Erdogan is currently conferring with the Minister of War:

I hope that the minister will explain to Erdogan that there is nothing for the Turks to catch.

[Dikson]

A little more and no peacekeeping diplomacy can help stop the war ..

[Virtuoso]

Erdogan is clearly not understanding something .. And they will explain to him already.
That's where it climbs?

[flicker]

Erdogan clearly misunderstands something

Yes, not "something", but he does not understand anything at all, he is led into the dark. The only thing that he has his own is an ineradicable lust for power and heated nationalism. Everything else is foreign. The United States took a lot of effort to turn secular Turkey towards neo-Ottomanism. For this, the geldings blocked Turkey's accession to the EU, which greatly offended the Turks, it turned out that they were second-class people. It was this insult that turned Turkish society towards neo-Ottomanism. Which geldings slipped them. In fact, today's neo-Ottomanism is an American construct. Society began to "breathe" neo-Ottomanism, it remained for the geldings to find this society a leader, resolute and nationally tense. So they found Erdogan, rushing headlong to return the imperial Ottoman lands. What such a policy threatens in the 21st century for Turkey, which is far from the strongest in military and economic terms (which has a lot of internal problems with the Kurds and the secular part of society), he did not care much. As a result, he began to get involved in one adventure after another, it got to the point that it was foolish enough to shoot down a Russian plane (which even the United States does not risk doing), after he almost died during a conspiracy, he would already lie in the ground, but Russia saved him, proposed projects extremely beneficial for the Turkish economy. But this is not enough for him, the Syrian Idlib also demanded.
But apparently, nothing teaches him. No wonder the Americans promoted him to the head of Turkey. Hoping for it without a turret. It would not have remained with a broken trough.

[Demagogue]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

I think that Syria is going to aggravate the conflict with Turkey in vain. The current Syria will not pull the war with Turkey. And here, as they say, the main thing is to start.

Turks are not ready for serious cutting. They wanted to sit with guns in the back, and the baboons had to play the role of cannon fodder. But the baboons ran, and in Turkey no one is ready for big losses. Erdogan must consider public opinion. Yes, and only Turkish special forces are probably ready to fight the same hezbollah in the building. And then I’m not sure. Quarreling with Iran and Russia is also unprofitable. The unenviable position of Erdogan.

[Sky strike fighter]

Are you sure that the Turks are not ready? The position of Erdogan will become even more unenviable if he pulls Turkey into a war with Syria and as a result with Iran. In Libya, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Israel, and Greece have gas graters in the Eastern Mediterranean. In addition, the opposition, which won the elections in major Turkish cities, is waiting for an occasion to take advantage of Erdogan’s blunder, which the Americans will clearly help in, who will probably want to repeat something in the spirit of July 2016. Erdogan would sit quietly in this position, no decided to go on an adventure. You’ll go quietly, you’ll continue. Many people will want to overthrow him.

[Briz]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

In Libya, Turkey, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Israel, Greece, gas graters in the Eastern Mediterranean compete with Turkey

Lost Saudi! The Turks, Iran and the Saudas are generally regional chiefs, and everyone has claims to each other, but now the Turks are already tearing themselves off, but in their trump card is a temporary coincidence of interests with their uncle (Sam)

[karabass]

What a gamble this is. One on one situation with LDNR
If Ukraine hit them, we would also have to intervene

[Ramzay121]

I can’t understand what they’re happy about, this is primarily a spit in the direction of Russia from Assad personally. In Turkey, just today, negotiations are underway on Idlib. Well he set up. It is time for Russia to step aside and not pretend that it is deciding something.

[Tzar]

Assad does what he must - expels terrorists and invaders from his country. And it’s just useful for negotiations - the Russian politeness does not allow sending Erdogan, so they go to negotiations and exhort. But the more land Assad returns, the more accommodating the Turks will be.

[Tavrik]

RF politeness does not allow sending Erdogan

Only not politeness, but pipelines, for which he will now hold us very tightly.

[qpeqop]

This is Russia negotiating with Erdogan. And Syria does not agree on anything with him. So he wets where he wants.

[Ramzay121]

Quote: qpeqop

And Syria does not agree on anything with him. So he wets where he wants.

She doesn’t get wet, but he has already received an answer with a washcloth.

[kjhg]

Quote: Ramzay121

I can’t understand what they’re happy about, this is primarily a spit in the direction of Russia from Assad personally

Assad does not command the current offensive. This operation was entirely developed and managed by the General Staff of Russia with the involvement of some Syrian military. This is easy to understand by its scale, coordination, reconnaissance, aviation and artillery support, etc. The Syrians are at the forefront with our MTR.
Then why does Russia go on the offensive without considering Turkey’s resistance? Because the time has come for this.

[Ramzay121]

Quote: kjhg

Assad does not command the current offensive.

Yes, not Assad, the Iranians command.

Quote: kjhg

Because the time has come for this.

Yes, I also think that the time has come, in fact, the time has come long ago if Erdogan had not been carried away by the negotiations. It has long been necessary to give free rein to the military.

[Altai72]

And in your opinion everything will go so smoothly?

[flicker]

The ultimatum of Russia? It seems that it’s time for the Sultan.

[Alex Nevs]

And you think that Assad decides there?

[anjey]

The airfield is located in this area, which the Turkish army had previously decided to take control of. There is also a large group of militants who are fighting with the Syrian army, carrying out shelling, including using mortars and artillery shells.

"Greens" under Turkish cover continues the DB against CAA. Legal response.
What is closer to the sultan is normal political and economic relations with Syria, Russia and Iran, or support for pocket militants and the illegal seizure of Syrian territories and a political conflict with the above countries in exchange for "unconventional" love the lying West with the United States led .... ????

[Alex Nevs]

It seems to me, it's a lure ... Guess from whom?

[Xenofont]

The demon Turks were the first to cover the positions of the SAA from the MLRS and received fire plaque in return. What is hello, so is the answer.

[rocket757]

Everything can be very "fun".
A moment may come when it will be necessary to explain who is the master of the house and whose slippers are there.

[Altai72]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

It is noted that Turkish troops used heavy artillery pieces.

What guns ?! The Turks are now in full thrashing from the MLRS. Your minus signers pack their bags and stuff cartridges into their pockets. It remains to pump up the tires on the couch.

[Ramzay121]

According to their understanding, a missile and artillery missile defense without the use of tomatoes is not considered.

[Shahno]

Quote: c-Petrov

I think that Syria is in vain aggravating the conflict with Turkey.

Well, just as it should be in sane countries - when the troops of a neighboring country invade your territory - you need to resist.

Has anyone already invaded? I mean, that same army ..

[Serwid]

Has anyone already invaded? I mean, that same army .. [/ quote]
And that someone invited the Turks to the territory of Syria.

[Shahno]

[quote = Serwid] Has anyone already invaded? I mean, that same army .. [/ quote]
And that someone invited the Turks to the territory of Syria. [/ Quote]
So no one invited half of the participants there. I mean, in principle, there is no "troops" there except for the Syrians .... Mercenaries, private companies, special operations forces, military bases are still not a large-scale operation of any of the interested parties.

[Ros 56]

And there is nothing for the Turkish military to do on the territory of another state, then the soldiers will not die. Who called them there?

[russia2016]

Quote: Altai72

The Turks also consider this land their way))

The Turks consider Crimea and the floor of Siberia to be their land, so well, they will not choke on these lands too ?!

[rruvim]

Now the question is, what should we do? Those. to the limited contingent of the RF Armed Forces in the SAR. How to react? Even if we assume that Assad and Co., despite the agreements between the Russian Federation and Turkey on de-escalation zones, decided to take Serakib, then why did the Russian Aerospace Forces "cut through" the defense of the Turkomans and the SSA, spending expensive ammunition, aviation fuel, engine resources and pilot nerves on it? Now that the goals have been achieved and the Turkish army is entering the battle, not some barmaley, but a regular army built according to NATO standards. What is left for our command to do? To watch until the Turkish brigades "roll out" the last capable Syrian divisions? Or interfere? This is how wars begin ...

[Graz]

Turks must be thrown to the border of countries, this is without options, and they will organize an asshole in Libya

[rruvim]

I'm also for! But political will is needed. In 1915 (after the shooting down of the SU-24) this was difficult to do, because Syria was a "patchwork quilt", no one knew who was who. Now everyone understands. And it is not in Erdogan's interests to hold on to this miserable province by explaining to the electorate that there are Turkish-speaking people there. 10 percent, no more. This is a question of survival and prestige. He pours SAR on pindyuly - the sultan, no - ... And if he "flushes" he will remain simply president until the new Sultan's manners. And our videoconferencing should tell him what conclusion is more correct to draw. Provided that the VKS RF is able to. Now the balance of forces and means around Idlib is far from in our favor. Additional deployment is needed, and this takes time and effort, especially since the "Turkish" express train will be closed.

[Sarcasm]

Hesitate to ask HOW and WHAT?
Well, the most interesting why? ...

That we are gaining politically, and that politics is a continuation of the economy, so economically? Which "collective farm", which company, which region of the country receives benefits as a result of the fact that having managed to almost tear the country with the largest army, except for the US Armed Forces, from NATO, we will bury everything, and even go to war with it, overstrained and exhausted? After all, even couch warriors and heroes will have to be driven by kicks and bullets, and not to pee on the Internet, and although there is zero sense from them, what no Russian woman is happy at least somehow at night and most importantly gives birth from him, while in country consider the plague arranged for the population.

[Sky strike fighter]

Even if we assume that Assad and Co., despite the agreements between the Russian Federation and Turkey on de-escalation zones, decided to take Serakib, then why did the Russian Aerospace Forces "cut through" the defense of the Turkomans and the SSA, spending expensive ammunition, aviation fuel, engine resources and pilots' nerves on it?

Because the Russian Aerospace Forces and the SAA have already been working for many years and this scheme has always worked, where the Russian Federation covered Syria, and the latter liberated its lands under our diplomatic and not only cover. But now something has not grown together. They came close to Idlib and the Turks are saving the "opposition." The Turks and the "opposition" decided to put into practice the scheme of interaction between the SAA and the Russian Aerospace Forces, to teach Assad a lesson.

[rruvim]

This is the dilemma. If you like, then this is a crisis. Only Syria did not release its lands under the cover of the Russian Aerospace Forces, if these lands were under the cover of the USAF. Although there is oil. I was afraid and afraid. And now they decided to practice on the zone of influence of Turkey. But this does not mean that the enemy is weaker.

[flicker]

until the Turkish brigades "roll out" the last capable Syrian divisions?

Do not roll out. We are blocking aviation, and without aviation, Turkish troops will not differ much from ordinary broads.

[Stas 2rep]

# Fights under taftanase #. what are they fighting under?

[yfast]

Assad is powerful, has been fighting since half the world.
That would be in the Donbass as well, not hiding to the Dnieper.

[Sarcasm]

5 Turkish servicemen were killed, the Turks once again struck at the conditionally "pro-Assad" forces. Negotiations are underway at the level of deputy foreign ministers in Ankara on the situation around Idlib.

This is an attempt to push the two players, Russia and Turkey, head on, and our "friends" in Syria and joint operations, and our opponents are interested in this.

For example, the same article on a Chinese resource about the alleged blocking by our Su-35S of the Turkish Air Force’s actions was nothing but a provocation and a throw-in. Well, you just need to be an idiot to intercept or block the actions of numerically superior Turkish air forces to a handful of Su-35S from the Khmeimim air base, and physically it is impossible to realize. But such stones will be thrown, they are no use now, the bouillon is only, and the circles on the water then go ...
It's not even about a military clash between our country and Turkey, which will not end with anything good for us specifically in Syria, and more globally it will not be good for Turkey either, we are talking about the goal of separating us from Turkey, creating a situation where Russia does not will be able to negotiate with Turkey, and Turkey will have no alternatives except the "Washington Regional Committee".

Such provocations immediately give rise to questions such as what’s the fighting spirit of the Turkish army - let me remind you, the Turkish Armed Forces are second to NATO in number after the US Armed Forces, and are traditionally considered the first in discipline and training. In any limited direct conflict, i.e. local collision, and we can face Turkey either in the Black Sea or in the Caucasus, if nuclear weapons are excluded, then we have no advantage over the Turks. But the Turks are warriors, they have rich military traditions, universal military service, and accordingly a large and well-trained mobilization resource.
The population of Turkey is more than 82 million. people, of which a little less than 70 million. actually Turks and representatives of Turkic-speaking peoples. The nation is quite young, the demographic situation is much better than ours.
If we take the peoples, traditional "imperials", then we are in stagnation after the collapse of the Russian Empire and the USSR, while the Turks are now on the contrary in growth, on their spiral of development they are heading towards the top point towards the neo-Ottoman Empire.

[flicker]

Actually, militarily, Turkey is not a problem for us. We will quickly enough minimize the possibility of Turkey militarily. Another thing is that war is not profitable for us. We will greatly complicate our geopolitical and diplomatic positions in the butt with geldings. And that worries. And let the Turks forget Idlib, they won’t get it.

[Sarcasm]

Quote: Altai72

And in your opinion everything will go so smoothly?

Erdogan spoke about this possibility last week.
Who cares, the Turkish news agency Anadolu has a Russian version of the site and profiles on Twitter, Instagram, etc., you can read exactly what the Turks say, how they perceive and evaluate the situation, follow the news and the actions of the Turkish armed forces in Syria .

[Pastor]

The offensive of the Syrian army began when Turkey decided to get involved in Libya. Everything is on time somehow. The feeling that all operations are planned in the Kremlin. )))

[Mentat]

Quote: Altai72

And in your opinion everything will go so smoothly?

But threatening Russia was not worth it. If the Turks think that with their primitive actions they can provoke some rash statements from the Russian Federation, they are very mistaken. But they succumb, having played enough in a proxy war, in full.

Let me remind you that last time Turkey lost $ 20 billion from the short sanctions of Russia. Apparently striving to improve performance. Billion 100 will fall on the budget of Turkey, and it will simply crack.

Hope for some help from NATO is very reckless. One Georgian man also hoped strongly, and then he ate a tie and, with bulging eyes, wallowed in the dust under bulletproof vests, thinking that Russian helicopters were flying to eliminate him.

[Tavrik]

Let me remind you that last time Turkey lost $ 20 billion from the short sanctions of Russia

Last time there was no South Stream. Now we fit into it and became dependent on Turkey.
It’s not known when they will build the North, the southern Turks can block if we start to run into them. All that remains is the Ukrainian GTS and Belarus. Well, with these yourself you know what kind of relationship ...

[w70]

Our answer is a travel ban? Do not make me laugh

[Ramzay121]

Quote: Mentat

But threatening Russia was not worth it.

Leave your tomatoes to yourself, no one will threaten, just take it and do it.

[L-39NG]

Are there only Turks suffering losses? Are the rest immortal?
I would like your optimism

[NordUral]

Good news! There is nothing to hang out in the territory of another state.

[Protos]

Quote: Roman1970_1

The Turks have already answered. They attacked 115 targets controlled by Assad, of which 101 were destroyed.
The Turks said they would continue to attack.

Time trouble Idiet reported !?

[Protos]

Quote: Sarkazm

If we take the peoples, traditional "imperials", then we are in stagnation after the collapse of the Russian Empire and the USSR, while the Turks are now on the contrary in growth, on their spiral of development they are heading towards the top point towards the neo-Ottoman Empire.

Why, for TNW, the fresher the meat, the thicker the ashes

[old friend]

I know that now I’ll say banal and not quite popular things, but ...
For Russia, there can be only one priority, both in foreign and domestic policies - the well-being and prosperity of its citizens. All other actions - only through the prism of compliance with this principle. And then everything will be fine.
No alliances, commitments, subsidies, or untied loans to America's “allies,” “partners,” and “enemies”. Concentration on your internal problems and their solution is the key to the prosperity and success of the country. All these Syria, Venezuela, Libya and Africa fuck, in fact, the Russian Federation is not needed.
Crawled into Syria, played an excellent combination, taking advantage of the inadequacy of US policy in the BV? I wonder where there is benefit for Russia as a country? Once again they clicked on the nose of the companies, has the authority on BV grown? What else? Oh, and they also acquired such fucking "allies" as Turkey and Iran. Where is the economic result of these actions? and needless to say that not everything is measured in money. Patriotism is good only in relation to one's Motherland and its citizens.
And do not tryndet about Syria, as the last bastion of the fight against the caliphate, etc. etc. It was easier to strengthen the border with Afghanistan and at the same time strengthen in the former republics of the USSR (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan). A caliphate would now be a problem, first of all, of Turkey and the EU. We would have: high energy prices, destabilization of the political situation in the EU (the problem of lawlessness of wandering emigrants), the Ukrainian problem would not even be on the sidelines for European countries. And it turns out again, as always, - Ivan Tushin is someone else's fire. On the way out - no one will even say thank you. You will see, in case of final success, less than 5 years will pass, as Assad’s gratitude will melt away like a dawn fog.

[Egg]

Quote: old friend

I know that now I’ll say banal and not quite popular things, but ...
For Russia, there can be only one priority, both in foreign and domestic policies - the well-being and prosperity of its citizens. All other actions - only through the prism of compliance with this principle. And then everything will be fine.
No alliances, commitments, subsidies, or untied loans to America's “allies,” “partners,” and “enemies”. Concentration on your internal problems and their solution is the key to the prosperity and success of the country. All these Syria, Venezuela, Libya and Africa fuck, in fact, the Russian Federation is not needed.
Crawled into Syria, played an excellent combination, taking advantage of the inadequacy of US policy in the BV? I wonder where there is benefit for Russia as a country? Once again they clicked on the nose of the companies, has the authority on BV grown? What else? Oh, and they also acquired such fucking "allies" as Turkey and Iran. Where is the economic result of these actions? and needless to say that not everything is measured in money. Patriotism is good only in relation to one's Motherland and its citizens.
And do not tryndet about Syria, as the last bastion of the fight against the caliphate, etc. etc. It was easier to strengthen the border with Afghanistan and at the same time strengthen in the former republics of the USSR (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan). A caliphate would now be a problem, first of all, of Turkey and the EU. We would have: high energy prices, destabilization of the political situation in the EU (the problem of lawlessness of wandering emigrants), the Ukrainian problem would not even be on the sidelines for European countries. And it turns out again, as always, - Ivan Tushin is someone else's fire. On the way out - no one will even say thank you. You will see, in case of final success, less than 5 years will pass, as Assad’s gratitude will melt away like a dawn fog.

Words words.....
Gone from Afghanistan, so what? Then they got into pin @ dos and we got a huge drug traffic and pumping the country with drugs. Nature does not tolerate emptiness, we will leave, they will stick pin @ dos and other lovers of freebies, but you suggest that you shut yourself in and allow them to turn the whole world into their sty?
In the 90th already passed: Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq ...., Gorbachev and Yeltsin licked as they could, excitedly, it saved us from sanctions and made us good for Europe and pin @ dos? Nothing like that, on the contrary, everyone is crushing and crushing.

[old friend]

Nature does not tolerate emptiness, we will leave, they will stick pin @ dos and other lovers of freebies, but you suggest that you shut yourself in and allow them to turn the whole world into their sty?

The fact of the matter is that we got into where there were already a bunch of interesting people, and did not leave from somewhere. So far, I see only two 100% of the beneficiaries - Assad (saved his ass) and Iran (air support, operations planning and protection from the United States).
The Russian Federation has its own safety belt. Strengthening the border of neighboring countries is a holy duty that directly affects the security of your country. About Syria - as far back as 7 years ago, no one even imagined that this was the problem of the Russian Federation, and not of neighboring countries. Sometimes, maybe it’s worth taking an example from the USA and stop helping someone if this is not directly beneficial to your country?

Already passed in the 90th: Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq ...., Gorbachev and Yeltsin licked as they could, excitedly, did this save us from sanctions and made us good for Europe and pin @ dos?

No one talks about being good for someone. The thing is that if our guys die, then this should be 100% justified. And certainly, not with international help, the ability to spoil am, etc. It makes no difference to me whether the guys from the Moscow Region or PMC died if they were Russians.

[Egg]

There is always a bunch of interesting people anywhere in the world. Defending their interests always goes through to rake them. And in Syria, Russia has very important interests, it will be necessary to rake the interest, by what methods is another question. In Afghanistan, at one time, we also came, but have not been there since the creation of the world, and we also raked interested people.

[Rustic i ......]

"And there is no need to talk about Syria as the last stronghold of the struggle against the caliphate, etc. etc. It was easier to strengthen the border with Afghanistan and at the same time to strengthen in the former republics of the USSR (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan)" -
Well, right up to the snot, it's a shame that nothing has increased in your wallet, STRATEG. Count how many people you need in order to strengthen in the republics you have listed. Maybe you personally will go to these republics to agree on the introduction of troops and the arrangement of military bases, as well as organize the construction of a runway for air support? And how many denyushek you will put out of your wallet, are you thrifty ours? In Syria, we were asked for help directly, though bypassing YOUR opinion, but nobody knew that you were not only a strategist, but also able to count.

[w70]

Kayuk Asad, played out

[Nastia makarova]

Kayuk you in Kiev for a long time))))

[russia2016]

It seems that the Turks are fully openly sponsoring all Islamic terrorists in Syria in order to throw Assad, and they laid .... on Russia and all its attempts to resolve at least somehow the situation in Syria. The creation of a new Turkic-Alkaida-Isil state in Syria is just around the corner. Keep it up Erdogan, show the Russians who the boss is!

[ABM]

Quote: Sarkazm

5 Turkish servicemen were killed, the Turks once again struck at the conditionally "pro-Assad" forces. Negotiations are underway at the level of deputy foreign ministers in Ankara on the situation around Idlib.

This is an attempt to push the two players, Russia and Turkey, head on, and our "friends" in Syria and joint operations, and our opponents are interested in this.

For example, the same article on a Chinese resource about the alleged blocking by our Su-35S of the Turkish Air Force’s actions was nothing but a provocation and a throw-in. Well, you just need to be an idiot to intercept or block the actions of numerically superior Turkish air forces to a handful of Su-35S from the Khmeimim air base, and physically it is impossible to realize. But such stones will be thrown, they are no use now, the bouillon is only, and the circles on the water then go ...
It's not even about a military clash between our country and Turkey, which will not end with anything good for us specifically in Syria, and more globally it will not be good for Turkey either, we are talking about the goal of separating us from Turkey, creating a situation where Russia does not will be able to negotiate with Turkey, and Turkey will have no alternatives except the "Washington Regional Committee".

Such provocations immediately give rise to questions such as what’s the fighting spirit of the Turkish army - let me remind you, the Turkish Armed Forces are second to NATO in number after the US Armed Forces, and are traditionally considered the first in discipline and training. In any limited direct conflict, i.e. local collision, and we can face Turkey either in the Black Sea or in the Caucasus, if nuclear weapons are excluded, then we have no advantage over the Turks. But the Turks are warriors, they have rich military traditions, universal military service, and accordingly a large and well-trained mobilization resource.
The population of Turkey is more than 82 million. people, of which a little less than 70 million. actually Turks and representatives of Turkic-speaking peoples. The nation is quite young, the demographic situation is much better than ours.
If we take the peoples, traditional "imperials", then we are in stagnation after the collapse of the Russian Empire and the USSR, while the Turks are now on the contrary in growth, on their spiral of development they are heading towards the top point towards the neo-Ottoman Empire.

traditions - yes, they have it! since Ushakov’s not won a war

[Sarcasm]

One old and decrepit Empire collided with a young and growing empire - the result of such a collision is logical. Now we have two embryos of Empires on our side - Persia (Iran) and Turkey.
Each has its own ideology of development and ambition, the territory to which it can spread its influence. They are young, face external opposition, but develop in spite of everything.
A simple example of Iran - education, medicine, investment in science, is comparatively superior to us and this gives and will give dividends.

[Mentat]

Quote: Tavrik

Let me remind you that last time Turkey lost $ 20 billion from the short sanctions of Russia

Last time there was no South Stream. Now we fit into it and became dependent on Turkey.
It’s not known when they will build the North, the southern Turks can block if we start to run into them. All that remains is the Ukrainian GTS and Belarus. Well, with these yourself you know what kind of relationship ...

South Stream is a double-edged sword. We supply gas this way, yes. However, what do you think, Turkey just like that, with great friendship agreed on its laying? In this case, your naivety goes off scale.

Turkey entered the project because it is very profitable for her. Firstly, free money for transit. Secondly, the interception of the initiative from European transit countries. Thirdly, the lever of pressure on Europe. But leverage still needs to be able to use, subtly play, maneuver, intrigue. Does Erdogan show such skills? Judging by his actions, not really. And what does the actual recipient of the gas at the other end of the pipeline, Europe, with which Erdogan already has not brilliant relations, say about “blocking” gas for her, Europe? This is also a lever of pressure, only on the other hand. But you, it seems, simply do not see such things and do not understand.

Thus, even such an option is likely when Erdogan pushed to attempt to manipulate the gas pipeline and beat it. Do not think that everything is so simple.

[uralant]

Quote: Alex Justice

Morale is manifested in the defense of their land.

Does this apply to Germany and Japan at 2 MB?

Germany and Japan approached their defense without having an army as such. They squandered all their power on foreign fields and were already demoralized.