Fights under Taftanaz: New losses of Turkish troops reported in Idlib


From Syria there are reports of allegedly new shelling in the direction of the Turkish military in Syria. The Turkish news agency Anadolu some time ago came out with short material, which without details says that several soldiers of the Turkish armed forces were again killed in Syria.


Recall that earlier (February 3) in the General Staff of the Turkish Army it was announced the death of 8 troops as a result of shelling by the positions of the Syrian government forces.

According to reports from the Turkish NTV channel, this time the Turkish military contingent in the SAR lost three troops. According to other sources - five. It is alleged that they came under fire in the province of Idlib. At the same time, there is still no official data on whether they were at one of the “agreed” observation posts or were part of Idlib as part of the next military convoy.


Meanwhile, the network claims that the Turkish army suffered losses in the area of ​​the village of Taftanaz. The airfield is located in this area, which the Turkish army had previously decided to take control of. There is also a large group of militants who are fighting with the Syrian army, carrying out shelling, including using mortars and artillery shells.

A Lebanese information resource AMN reports that Turks have come under fire aviation and artillery SAA. It is additionally said that Turkish forces lifted attack helicopters above Taftanaz. Earlier, the Turkish military had no support in the form of helicopters in this region of Syria.

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  1. Livonetc 10 February 2020 15: 52 New
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    That's interesting.
    And what about the modern Turkish army with a fighting spirit?
    Who knows?
    1. Sergey39 10 February 2020 16: 04 New
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      Morale is manifested in the defense of their land. No one is attacking Turkey.
      1. Chaldon48 10 February 2020 16: 54 New
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        Without retaliation, the fighting spirit of any army is further undermined.
        1. Roman1970_1 10 February 2020 20: 39 New
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          The Turks have already answered. They attacked 115 targets controlled by Assad, of which 101 were destroyed.
          The Turks said they would continue to attack.
          1. Nikolai Grek 10 February 2020 22: 08 New
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            Quote: Roman1970_1
            The Turks have already answered. They attacked 115 targets controlled by Assad, of which 101 were destroyed.
            The Turks said they would continue to attack.

            believe ??? what
            1. Pastor 10 February 2020 22: 41 New
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              Like in that old joke: So you say))
            2. Roman1970_1 10 February 2020 23: 52 New
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              I do not know. The Turks handed over.
              Probably they lied, maybe they lied a lot
              1. Nikolai Grek 11 February 2020 00: 29 New
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                Quote: Roman1970_1
                I do not know. The Turks handed over.
                Probably they lied, maybe they lied a lot

                they looked at how their Amer brothers on the net were rubbing about rubbing after an Iranian attack on their bases, and they also lashed about seven in one fell swoop !!! request
      2. Alex Justice 10 February 2020 17: 50 New
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        Morale is manifested in the defense of their land.

        Does this apply to Germany and Japan at 2 MB?
        1. Briz 10 February 2020 18: 01 New
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          Yes, and at least ours in Afghanistan, and even in Syria.
      3. maidan.izrailovich 11 February 2020 07: 19 New
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        Morale is manifested in the defense of their land.

        And the Swiss and Italian hiking Suvorov?
        And what about the expeditionary force of the Russian army during World War I in France?
        And the defense of Port Arthur?
        And the capture of Corfu Ushakov?
        In all of these examples, a Russian soldier demonstrated morale away from his homeland.
    2. Thrifty 10 February 2020 16: 52 New
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      And who called them to Syria at all, and why? Uninvited "guests" should be met like this - a "very hot dish" in order to forget the way to the Syrian lands.
    3. Freeman 10 February 2020 17: 30 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      That's interesting.
      And what about the modern Turkish army with a fighting spirit?


      The title of the article, "Fights under Taftanaz: New Turkish casualties reported in Idlib "
      - can be interpreted as the fact that the soldiers of the Turkish troops are fights under the influence of a certain narcotic substance and bear losses.
      wassat
      Threat. "Fritz", in the Second World War, I also remember the "Pervitin" dabbled in.
    4. Nikolai Grek 10 February 2020 21: 53 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      That's interesting.
      And what about the modern Turkish army with a fighting spirit?
      Who knows?

      they said they had inflicted 150 attacks on the SAA ... the losses were incredible ... the current is to believe the pseudosultan - do not respect yourself !!! request
  2. Demagogue 10 February 2020 15: 53 New
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    The breaking blow to the north on Kafr Nuran, about which I wrote, is finally delivered. Further north lies an open area, which allows you to develop an offensive.
    By the way, criticism of respected opponents, who stated that the strike would be only along the m5, was naive. Further along the m5 there are heights dug in by the broads along and across. It made no sense to meddle there. Need coverage at the back. It turns out they kill two birds with one stone: the road opens to the highway from the border to Idlib and to the rear of the baboons near Aleppo.
    The Turkish counterattack at Serakib apparently failed. Moreover, apparently as a result of artduels, the Turks poured gifts. They write a lot of wounded.
    1. Sky strike fighter 10 February 2020 15: 59 New
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      I think that Syria is going to aggravate the conflict with Turkey in vain. The current Syria will not pull the war with Turkey. And here, as they say, the main thing is to start.
      1. Same lech 10 February 2020 16: 10 New
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        I think that Syria is going to aggravate the conflict with Turkey in vain. The current Syria will not pull the war with Turkey.

        But they are going to aggravate ... without serious justification, it would hardly be done ... then we don’t know what. what
        1. Sky strike fighter 10 February 2020 16: 22 New
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          For the Turks, who have a stronger army than the Syrian to aggravate and provoke a conflict, it means giving themselves the opportunity to replay the already lost war in Syria. Therefore, I don’t understand why the SAA had to climb under Taftanaz, you free the M5 highway and then the Constitutional Committee. Or do you think that the West will give Assad so easy to return Idlib to his control? And now for Assad, everything has become much more complicated.


          Turkey fired on the Syrian city of Sarakib in the province of Idlib, which was knitted under the control of the Syrian army a few days ago. It is reported by the Arab television channel Al Jazeera.
          It is noted that Turkish troops used heavy artillery pieces. The shelling took place in the city of Sarakib and its environs.
          In addition, according to media reports, armed groups of the Syrian opposition, under the cover of Turkish artillery, attacked units of the government army in the east of Idlib province.
          1. Graz 10 February 2020 17: 12 New
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            if the Syrians want to live on their land as masters, then they should shoot Turks from every hut for killing from every angle and not bother, only in any way, and Russia should help Syria to cover the sky with air defense systems and equipment from bases storage, it is better if it shoots at the Turks than rust
            1. Yeraz 10 February 2020 17: 28 New
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              Quote: Graz
              if the Syrians want to live on their land as masters, then they should shoot at the Turks because of every hut, from every angle to kill and not bother, the only way

              yes, therefore, in Turkey, 4 million Syrians, who are not eager to return to Syria, do not talk about those who have seeped into Europe and plus the same number in Idlib, who also do not want Assad to embrace.
              Therefore, there is no need to speak for all Syrians. And there are still Syrians Kurds who also live separately with the Americans.
              1. aiden 10 February 2020 21: 32 New
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                There is the same evil as in Idlib sitting. In Syria, they cut their heads and in Turkey and Europe they are students. Europe is still suffering with them. Yes, and the Turks, too
                1. Yeraz 10 February 2020 21: 57 New
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                  Quote: aiden
                  There is the same evil as in Idlib sitting.

                  well, for you they are evil, for them you are. I, as a Shiite, have heard enough of this from life on both sides, so you can judge by these categories for people to give Serenity to your actions, that's all.
                  1. aiden 10 February 2020 22: 47 New
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                    But I don’t cut my heads wrong, and I do not kill children, old people and women. Do not drag me to these sectarians
                    1. Yeraz 11 February 2020 01: 18 New
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                      Quote: aiden
                      But I don’t cut my heads wrong, and I do not kill children, old people and women. Do not drag me to these sectarians

                      Think Asadovtsy flowers there distribute ?? There everyone is worthy of each other.
                      1. Nikolai Grek 11 February 2020 04: 49 New
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                        Quote: Yeraz
                        Quote: aiden
                        But I don’t cut my heads wrong, and I do not kill children, old people and women. Do not drag me to these sectarians

                        Think Asadovtsy flowers there distribute ?? There everyone is worthy of each other.

                        I suppose you came here to drown for the Turks ??? wassat
                      2. Yeraz 11 February 2020 11: 52 New
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                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        I suppose you came here to drown for the Turks ???

                        I am here for objectivity, and not for fairy tales. And the Turks themselves admit that all kinds of HTS are still scumbags. For example, the same Uigurs are more attracted to HTS than to purely Turkish units. And the Turks would be glad to get rid of them and have 100% loyal unit, but the local population supports these guys. Therefore, we have to reconcile.
                        This is a civil war. And not Assad for which the entire population, who is fighting terrorists who have fallen from the sky.
                      3. Nikolai Grek 11 February 2020 22: 05 New
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                        Quote: Yeraz
                        I am here for objectivity, and not for fairy tales.

                        however, the first has nothing to do with you !!! wassat
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        And the Turks themselves recognize

                        you never know what they recognize and declare there ... their actions say otherwise !!! negative
                        We hope that the troubles that he brings to Syria will fully spread to him in Turkey !! wink good
                      4. Yeraz 11 February 2020 22: 12 New
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                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        however, the first has nothing to do with you !!!

                        Well, where am I to your objectivity with the popularly elected Assad and the rest entirely terrorist population)))
                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        We hope that the troubles that he brings to Syria will fully spread to him in Turkey !!

                        The trouble they have is a term, we are not eternal in this world.
            2. 2112vda 11 February 2020 07: 13 New
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              What do the so-called "Syrian refugees" do on Turkish territory, I know from my own relatives who have been on a long business trip in the border regions with Syria. The Igilovites are the Igilovites. Bringing them to life, by what methods, is another matter.
        2. Nikolai Grek 10 February 2020 22: 12 New
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          Quote: Yeraz
          Quote: Graz
          if the Syrians want to live on their land as masters, then they should shoot at the Turks because of every hut, from every angle to kill and not bother, the only way

          yes, therefore, in Turkey, 4 million Syrians, who are not eager to return to Syria, do not talk about those who have seeped into Europe and plus the same number in Idlib, who also do not want Assad to embrace.
          Therefore, there is no need to speak for all Syrians. And there are still Syrians Kurds who also live separately with the Americans.

          you are less than a fairy tale mustachio listen !! wink
          1. Yeraz 11 February 2020 01: 19 New
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            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            you are less than a fairy tale mustachio listen !!

            I don’t hear fairy tales of a mustachioed one. But I really know. It is my relatives who go to Turkey and see how Istanbul turned into Syria, where Syrians are everywhere. Therefore, listen less to Solovyov and the others.
            1. Nikolai Grek 11 February 2020 04: 52 New
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              Quote: Yeraz
              These are my relatives who go to Turkey and see how Istanbul turned into Syria,

              weakly ... finally ... they fully deserved to make it worse there than in Syria !!! negative
            2. Nick Russ 11 February 2020 16: 12 New
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              ,, These are my relatives who go to Turkey and see how Istanbul turned into Syria, where Syrians are everywhere. ,,

              So it’s clear why. They are fleeing from war.
              And from any aggressor you need to defend yourself. And if possible, to drive from Syria, and the United States, and Turkey, and the IG, and the opposition that started this chaos.
              1. Yeraz 11 February 2020 16: 15 New
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                Quote: Nick Russ
                So it’s clear why. They are fleeing from war.

                oh well ?? Well, they didn’t run to the territory controlled by Assad ?? Even after so many liberated lands, where they are no longer fighting and even nearby, they are in no hurry to return to their homeland?
                1. Nick Russ 11 February 2020 16: 37 New
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                  Well, okay ?? Well, they didn’t run to the territory controlled by Assad ??

                  First, there is devastation. And secondly, the war is not over yet.
        3. Essex62 11 February 2020 08: 23 New
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          So the “Vlasovites” and the Sykuns, hoping to wait out, save the skin, will always be found. At least with us, even in Syria. The people of Syria support their leader and fight for the integrity of the state. Do not blame ethnic differences. Uzbeks and Kazakhs, Jews and Belarusians defended Moscow in the Second World War. All the peoples of the USSR.
          It’s time for the Turks to go home; the Ottoman Empire is long gone, let them forget.
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    3. os -in 10 February 2020 18: 38 New
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      Turkey fired on the Syrian city of Sarakib in Idlib province) so the Turks first opened fire) five minutes before the talks
    4. Alex Nevs 10 February 2020 19: 46 New
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      Well, ...... And whose air?
  3. qpeqop 11 February 2020 00: 43 New
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    There is a justification. I remember that one of the prophets predicted that Turkey would be defeated and divided between Greece, Syria, Iran and Iraq. I kept wondering when it would start and how.
    1. Nick Russ 11 February 2020 17: 59 New
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      Prophecies of St. Paisius the Holy Mountaineer:

      ,, Russians will occupy Turkey, Turkey will disappear from the map, because a third of the Turks will convert to Christianity, a third will die and a third will go to Mesopotamia ”,,

      https://pravoslavie.ru/88174.html
  • St Petrov 10 February 2020 16: 22 New
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    I think that Syria is in vain aggravating the conflict with Turkey.


    wassat Well, just as it should be in sane countries - when the troops of a neighboring country invade your territory - you need to resist.
    1. Sky strike fighter 10 February 2020 16: 31 New
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      This is if there is enough strength to effectively resist. We forgot how Damascus resisted in 2015 and how many years it took for the situation for Syria to become less or less comfortable as it is now, you want to aggravate and unleash a hopeless war with Turkey, to significantly worsen the situation of the SAA and improve position of the "opposition", and now actually the Turkish army? But you need to think. Have you actually decided to start the war again on conditions that are not favorable for Syria?
    2. V.I.P. 10 February 2020 17: 07 New
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      Hmm ... why Idlib? ALL oil areas are occupied by Kurds and Amers. All are located above the Euphrates. There are almost no oil and gas towers in the territory of Damascus controlled. And this is why Syria is buying oil now (a pair of Iranian tankers recently intercepted for transporting (smuggling) oil to Syria is evidence of this. Damascus does not have money, so economically important territories would be freed from the invaders)) ... A confrontation with more a strong opponent .... Or have you put up with the loss of those territories? ... ... ... And Idlib has no values ​​except political propaganda. Well, the militants, wherever they are, conduct shelling and battles with the SAA, regardless of their affiliation (igil, An-nusra and local tribes).
  • Romka47 10 February 2020 16: 37 New
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    They said the same thing that they were not extended, there was no territory left. And where are they now? I understand you perfectly that 1 on 1 and with all Assad's support, the picture is not rosy, BUT if now (as everywhere and always) they give their finger away, they will tear out their hand along with the collarbone. What am I doing? Going full of roses to the Turks until the victorious end, of course, doesn’t make sense and sound logic (for now), but you need to quit them as much as you can on your land !!!
    1. Altai72 10 February 2020 17: 04 New
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      The Turks also consider this land their way))
      1. Briz 10 February 2020 18: 11 New
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        Estonians also consider the Pytalovsky district their own, but we do not believe them!
      2. flicker 10 February 2020 20: 42 New
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        The Turks also consider this land their way))
        And they consider Crimea theirs.
  • Sanichsan 10 February 2020 17: 26 New
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    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    The current Syria will not pull the war with Turkey.

    You completely forgot one more counterparty in this business. wink Syria, as such, will not pull, but with the support of Russia it will pull.
    Turkey is much stronger than Syria and will definitely win in the 1x1 conflict, but under pressure from Russia and bound hand and foot with obligations to Putin, this is no longer a fact.
    they won’t even be able to use aviation. Now the Turkish army in Idlib looks like a big guard dog on a chain that is beaten with a stick. the chain does not give a strong bite, but no one bothers the Syrians to wave a stick. even the opposite. very awkward situation for the Turks.
    Of course, they can break the chain, but this is a conflict with Russia and a completely different story yes
  • Uran53 10 February 2020 18: 38 New
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    What are we on? GDP does not abandon its own, especially when so much money swelled into Syria. And the Turks, while making more noise than doing something.
  • Nikolai Grek 10 February 2020 22: 10 New
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    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    . The current Syria will not pull the war with Turkey.

    and the Turks can not pull !! request
  • svp67 10 February 2020 16: 48 New
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    Quote: Demagogue
    The Turkish counterattack at Serakib apparently failed. Moreover, apparently as a result of artduels, the Turks poured gifts. They write a lot of wounded.

    I already know who the Turks will now blame for this failure ....
  • rruvim 10 February 2020 18: 11 New
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    Your prayers ... But so far there has been no Turkish counterattack. While the Turks are fixed on the line Marat al-Naasana - Atareb. But if Turkish aviation begins to operate, for the CAA this "will not seem enough." It is necessary that the Russian Aerospace Forces would push through the "no-fly zone" for at least a month. Then at least temporarily, between TSK and the separatists on the one hand and the SAA with the IRGC units on the other, there will be approximate equality in ground forces.
  • soldat-tv 10 February 2020 15: 55 New
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    Militants with the Turkish military in the immediate vicinity of the front line near Sarmin, February 10, 2020



    1. KBaHT_BpeMeHu 10 February 2020 17: 03 New
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      Militants with the Turkish military in the immediate vicinity of the front line near Sarmin
      The Turkish army, all together with bearded men, is attacking the positions of the ATS.
      Around 08:00 - 09:00 local time, Turkish army artillery and MLRS attacked the positions of the Syrian military in the vicinity of the recently liberated city of Serakib. Most of the Turkish attacks hit the villages of Neyrab and Trumba. After the artillery bombardment, attack groups of militants and the Turkish army went on the attack on Neyrab. The militants used Turkish armored personnel carriers. Islamists in their accounts openly publish photos of the Turkish infantry participating in the counterattack. In response to the direct participation of the Turkish army in the counterattacks of the militants, the Syrian army artillery attacked the locations of the Turkish military. In particular, the Taftanaz helicopter base, 10 km away, was hit. north of Serakib.
  • Sergey39 10 February 2020 16: 00 New
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    "It is additionally said that Turkish forces raised attack helicopters over Taftanaz."
    Good reason to practice helicopter shooting.
    1. Sky strike fighter 10 February 2020 16: 05 New
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      And to start a war with Syria’s one of the strongest armies in the region, the Turkish one. Without further thought, Syria didn’t think Turkey was a NATO member.
      1. paul3390 10 February 2020 16: 25 New
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        As for the strongest - a moot point .. The Syrians have an order of magnitude more fighting experience, and we taught them - we .. And over the years, they threw a lot of iron. It can be sent back to the Kurds as well .. But NATO-no one attacks Turkey, it climbed into other people's territory and got horns .. Does it make sense then to fit in for them?
        1. Sky strike fighter 10 February 2020 16: 47 New
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          Syria has not so many combat-ready units. Tigers and who else? The colossal losses of a long war are affecting. Now is not the best time to butt with Turkey. You really need to look at things.
          1. aiden 10 February 2020 21: 39 New
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            We must silently watch the Turks host the Syrian land. I am sure your grandfather during the Second World War thought how to expel filthy fascist scum from their native land. And probably drove her. And he did not have thoughts like you So Syrians.
      2. Genry 10 February 2020 17: 00 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        And to start a war with Syria’s one of the strongest armies in the region, the Turkish one. Without further thought, Syria didn’t think Turkey was a NATO member.

        The war with Syria will cause a crisis within Turkey itself. Although Erdogan crushed all sorts of internal unrest, but this is only the balance between discontent and power pressure. The outbreak of war will upset this balance and Turkey itself will be in a position, like Syria with ISIS. The economy will immediately collapse and a complete breakdown in relations with Russia.

        NATO: it has sufficient pragmatism and understands that intervention means an imbalance of the entire economy and world war, and nuclear weapons are on hand.

        States: they can only incite others, but they can fight on a large scale against the interests / support of Russia - they are afraid and will not. They will try to earn money, but military operations will immediately drop the dollar and bring down the financial system.

        Israel: really wants to play with muscles, but only when the States cover it. But in the event of a fight, no one will look back at the States and will be able to plunge him with great blood and without nuclear weapons. This, again, will lead to internal political instability (Arabs, immigrants ...), blocking energy resources ...

        Russia: already got involved in Syria and will not back down. Directly at its borders, it will strictly maintain order and can take advantage of the situation to partially restore the Union ....
        Presidential elections, in a war, will be canceled.

        China: stocking up with popcorn .... Then the Pacific begins to bite.
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          Quote: Genry
          China: stocking up with popcorn .... Then the Pacific begins to bite.

          in general, yes, but China is not up to popcorn right now. they have their own party squabble there.
        2. Briz 10 February 2020 18: 18 New
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          Everything is so, only the big minus is the supply of us and Syria through Turkey.
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          Is popcorn a virus?
      3. Serwid 10 February 2020 17: 30 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        And to start a war with Syria’s one of the strongest armies in the region, the Turkish one. Without further thought, Syria didn’t think Turkey was a NATO member.

        So what? Now all these Latvia and Estonia will rush ahead of each other to help Turkey.
      4. rruvim 10 February 2020 18: 14 New
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        I agree with you. In order to compensate for something, a direct entry of the RF Armed Forces into the ATS is needed. Moreover, it is 100% legitimate under international law. According to the agreement "... on mutual assistance" with the ATS.
      5. flicker 10 February 2020 20: 47 New
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        war with one of the strongest armies in the region, the Turkish
        Let it be to you. There, the Ukrainian army also considers itself the strongest in Europe. So what ?
      6. Nikolai Grek 10 February 2020 22: 16 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Turkey member of NATO

        and what is so special about ??? what
  • knn54 10 February 2020 16: 03 New
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    The Sultan is too presumptuous when he considers the militants "their own." It is worth the Yankees give a command and EVERYTHING.
    They are fighting for bucks, not liras. So it’s too early to draw conclusions with the shelling of the Turks.
    1. donavi49 10 February 2020 16: 33 New
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      Well, those militants who are now grouping for a counteroffensive on Turkish technology, or manual (from Al-Bab and Northern Aleppo - where in fact Turkey is already, with the Turkish administration and laws) or HTS / Uzbeks and others, according to which the Yankees regularly shoot with Helfaers with blades .




      Here they are waiting for the go-ahead. Erdogan is currently conferring with the Minister of War:
      Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, Milli Savunma Bakanı Akar ile görüşüyor
      1. Yeraz 10 February 2020 17: 32 New
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        and what number are involved from Syria ?? how much is this in numbers ??
      2. V.I.P. 10 February 2020 17: 35 New
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        Watched videos from Syria. There, the militants are loading onto the M-113 armored personnel carriers, as in the first photo. Interestingly, they are all wearing body armor and camouflage of the same type. The feeling of a regular army, not of militants. Only black masks, and headbands with Arabic script on the head distinguishes them from army units. They are well equipped ..
      3. flicker 10 February 2020 20: 51 New
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        Erdogan is currently conferring with the Minister of War:
        I hope that the minister will explain to Erdogan that there is nothing for the Turks to catch.
  • Dikson 10 February 2020 16: 06 New
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    A little more and no peacekeeping diplomacy can help stop the war ..
  • Virtuoso 10 February 2020 16: 08 New
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    Erdogan is clearly not understanding something .. And they will explain to him already.
    That's where it climbs?
    1. flicker 10 February 2020 21: 18 New
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      Erdogan clearly misunderstands something
      Yes, not "something", but he does not understand anything at all, he is led into the dark. The only thing that he has his own is indestructible lust for power and heated nationalism. Everything else is alien. The United States was well worth the effort to turn secular Turkey toward neo-Ottomanism. For this, the geldings blocked the entry of Turkey into the EU, which greatly offended the Turks, it turned out that they are second-class people. This insult turned Turkish society towards neo-Ottomanism. Which they slipped it geldings. In fact, the current neo-Ottomanism is an American construct. The society began to “breathe” neo-Ottomanism, it remained for the geldings to find a leader for this society, decisive and nationally tense. So they found Erdogan, who rushed headlong to return the imperial Ottoman lands. What such a policy threatens in the 21st century, far from the strongest in military and economic terms (having a lot of internal problems with the Kurds and the secular part of society), Turkey seemed to be of little concern to him. As a result, he began to get involved in one adventure after another, it came to the point that there was enough stupidity to bring down a Russian plane (which even the USA does not risk doing), after which he almost died during a conspiracy, lay already in the ground, but Russia saved him, proposed projects extremely beneficial to the Turkish economy. But this is not enough for him, the Syrian Idlib also demanded.
      But apparently, nothing teaches him. No wonder the Americans promoted him to the head of Turkey. Hoping for it without a turret. It would not have remained with a broken trough.
  • Demagogue 10 February 2020 16: 17 New
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    I think that Syria is going to aggravate the conflict with Turkey in vain. The current Syria will not pull the war with Turkey. And here, as they say, the main thing is to start.


    Turks are not ready for serious cutting. They wanted to sit with guns in the back, and the baboons had to play the role of cannon fodder. But the baboons ran, and in Turkey no one is ready for big losses. Erdogan must consider public opinion. Yes, and only Turkish special forces are probably ready to fight the same hezbollah in the building. And then I’m not sure. Quarreling with Iran and Russia is also unprofitable. The unenviable position of Erdogan.
    1. Sky strike fighter 10 February 2020 16: 40 New
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      Are you sure that the Turks are not ready? The position of Erdogan will become even more unenviable if he pulls Turkey into a war with Syria and as a result with Iran. In Libya, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Israel, and Greece have gas graters in the Eastern Mediterranean. In addition, the opposition, which won the elections in major Turkish cities, is waiting for an occasion to take advantage of Erdogan’s blunder, which the Americans will clearly help in, who will probably want to repeat something in the spirit of July 2016. Erdogan would sit quietly in this position, no decided to go on an adventure. You’ll go quietly, you’ll continue. Many people will want to overthrow him.
      1. Briz 10 February 2020 18: 32 New
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        In Libya, Turkey, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Israel, Greece, gas graters in the Eastern Mediterranean compete with Turkey

        Lost Saudi! The Turks, Iran and the Saudas are generally regional chiefs, and everyone has claims to each other, but now the Turks are already tearing themselves off, but in their trump card is a temporary coincidence of interests with their uncle (Sam)
      2. karabass 10 February 2020 21: 17 New
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        What a gamble this is. One on one situation with LDNR
        If Ukraine hit them, we would also have to intervene
  • Ramzay121 10 February 2020 16: 26 New
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    I can’t understand what they’re happy about, this is primarily a spit in the direction of Russia from Assad personally. In Turkey, just today, negotiations are underway on Idlib. Well he set up. It is time for Russia to step aside and not pretend that it is deciding something.
    1. Tzar 10 February 2020 16: 36 New
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      Assad does what he must - expels terrorists and invaders from his country. And it’s just useful for negotiations - the Russian politeness does not allow sending Erdogan, so they go to negotiations and exhort. But the more land Assad returns, the more accommodating the Turks will be.
      1. Tavrik 10 February 2020 23: 21 New
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        RF politeness does not allow sending Erdogan

        Only not politeness, but pipelines, for which he will now hold us very tightly.
      2. qpeqop 11 February 2020 01: 04 New
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        This is Russia negotiating with Erdogan. And Syria does not agree on anything with him. So he wets where he wants.
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          Quote: qpeqop
          And Syria does not agree on anything with him. So he wets where he wants.

          She doesn’t get wet, but he has already received an answer with a washcloth.
    2. kjhg 10 February 2020 16: 42 New
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      Quote: Ramzay121
      I can’t understand what they’re happy about, this is primarily a spit in the direction of Russia from Assad personally

      Assad does not command the current offensive. This operation was entirely developed and managed by the General Staff of Russia with the involvement of some Syrian military. This is easy to understand by its scale, coordination, reconnaissance, aviation and artillery support, etc. The Syrians are at the forefront with our MTR.
      Then why does Russia go on the offensive without considering Turkey’s resistance? Because the time has come for this.
      1. Ramzay121 10 February 2020 16: 57 New
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        Quote: kjhg
        Assad does not command the current offensive.

        Yes, not Assad, the Iranians command.
        Quote: kjhg
        Because the time has come for this.

        Yes, I also think that the time has come, in fact, the time has come long ago if Erdogan had not been carried away by the negotiations. It has long been necessary to give free rein to the military.
      2. Altai72 10 February 2020 17: 16 New
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        And in your opinion everything will go so smoothly?
        1. flicker 10 February 2020 21: 32 New
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          The ultimatum of Russia? It seems that it’s time for the Sultan.
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    3. Alex Nevs 10 February 2020 19: 50 New
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      And you think that Assad decides there?
  • anjey 10 February 2020 16: 35 New
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    The airfield is located in this area, which the Turkish army had previously decided to take control of. There is also a large group of militants who are fighting with the Syrian army, carrying out shelling, including using mortars and artillery shells.
    "Green" under the Turkish cover continues the database against SAA. The legal answer.
    What is interesting to the Sultan is closer, normal political and economic relations with Syria, Russia and Iran, or support for pocket militants and illegal seizure of Syrian territories and political conflict with the above countries in exchange for "unconventional" love laughing the lying West with the United States led .... ????
    1. Alex Nevs 10 February 2020 19: 52 New
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      It seems to me, it's a lure ... Guess from whom?
  • Xenofont 10 February 2020 16: 39 New
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    The demon Turks were the first to cover the positions of the SAA from the MLRS and received fire plaque in return. What is hello, so is the answer.
  • rocket757 10 February 2020 16: 41 New
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    Everything can be very "fun."
    A moment may come when it will be necessary to explain who is the master of the house and whose slippers are there.
  • Altai72 10 February 2020 17: 01 New
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    It is noted that Turkish troops used heavy artillery pieces.

    What guns ?! The Turks are now in full thrashing from the MLRS. Your minus signers pack their bags and stuff cartridges into their pockets. It remains to pump up the tires on the couch. hi
    1. Ramzay121 11 February 2020 09: 38 New
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      According to their understanding, a missile and artillery missile defense without the use of tomatoes is not considered.
  • Shahno 10 February 2020 17: 07 New
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    I think that Syria is in vain aggravating the conflict with Turkey.


    wassat Well, just as it should be in sane countries - when the troops of a neighboring country invade your territory - you need to resist.

    Has anyone already invaded? I mean, that same army ..
    1. Serwid 10 February 2020 17: 35 New
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      Has anyone already invaded? I mean, that same army .. [/ quote]
      And that someone invited the Turks to the territory of Syria.
  • Shahno 10 February 2020 17: 46 New
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    [quote = Serwid] Has anyone already invaded? I mean, that same army .. [/ quote]
    And that someone invited the Turks to the territory of Syria. [/ Quote]
    So there, no one invited the half of the participants. I mean, in fact, there are no “troops” there except for the Syrians .... Mercenaries, private companies, special operations forces, military bases are still not a large-scale operation by any of the interested parties.
  • Ros 56 10 February 2020 17: 56 New
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    And there is nothing for the Turkish military to do on the territory of another state, then the soldiers will not die. Who called them there?
  • russia2016 10 February 2020 17: 57 New
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    The Turks also consider this land their way))

    The Turks consider Crimea and the floor of Siberia to be their land, so well, they will not choke on these lands too ?!
  • rruvim 10 February 2020 17: 59 New
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    Now the question is, what should we do? Those. limited contingent of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the SAR. How to respond? Even assuming that Assad and Co. decided to take Serakib, regardless of the Russian-Turkish agreement on de-escalation zones, why did the Russian Aerospace Forces “cut through” the defense of Turkoman and SSA, spending expensive ammunition, aviation fuel, engine resources and pilots' nerves on it? Now that the goals are achieved and the Turkish army enters the battle, not some barmalei, but a regular army built on NATO standards. What does our command have to do? Watch until the Turkish brigades “roll out” the last capable Syrian divisions? Or intervene? So the war begins ...
    1. Graz 10 February 2020 18: 18 New
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      Turks must be thrown to the border of countries, this is without options, and they will organize an asshole in Libya
      1. rruvim 10 February 2020 18: 42 New
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        I am also for! But political will is needed. In 1915 (after the downing of the SU-24) it was difficult to do, because Syria was a “patchwork quilt,” no one knew who was who. Now everyone understands. And it’s not in Erdogan’s interests to hold on to this miserable province explaining to the electorate that Turkish speakers live there. 10 percent, no more. This is a matter of survival and prestige. The SAR piles up with pindules - the sultan, no - ... And if he “mumbles” he will simply remain president until new sultan manners. And our VKS should tell him what conclusion is more correct to make. Provided that the Russian Aerospace Forces is able to. Now the alignment of forces and means around Idlib is far from in our favor. Additional deployment is needed, and this takes time and effort, especially the "Turkish" express will be covered.
      2. Sarkazm 10 February 2020 19: 51 New
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        Hesitate to ask HOW and WHAT?
        Well, the most interesting why? ...

        What do we win politically, and politics is the continuation of the economy, which means economically? What kind of "collective farm", what kind of company, what region of the country benefits from the fact that having managed to almost tear the country with the largest army, except for the US Armed Forces, from NATO, we will bury everything, and even fight it, torn and exhausted? After all, even couch warriors and heroes will have to be kicked and kicked, and not pee on the Internet, but even if there is no sense in them, but what no Russian woman is happy at least somehow at night and gives birth to the most important thing from him, while country consider plague arranged for the population.
    2. Sky strike fighter 10 February 2020 18: 30 New
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      Even assuming that Assad and Co. decided to take Serakib, regardless of the Russian-Turkish agreement on de-escalation zones, why did the Russian Aerospace Forces “cut through” the defense of Turkoman and SSA, spending expensive ammunition, aviation fuel, engine resources and pilots' nerves on it?

      Because the Russian Aerospace Forces and the CAA have already been working for many years, and this scheme has always worked, where the Russian Federation covered Syria, and it liberated its lands under our diplomatic and not only cover. But now something has not grown together. They came close to Idlib and the Turks rescued the "opposition."
      1. rruvim 10 February 2020 18: 49 New
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        This is the dilemma. If you like, then this is a crisis. Only Syria did not release its lands under the cover of the Russian Aerospace Forces, if these lands were under the cover of the USAF. Although there is oil. I was afraid and afraid. And now they decided to practice on the zone of influence of Turkey. But this does not mean that the enemy is weaker.
    3. flicker 10 February 2020 21: 38 New
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      until the Turkish brigades “roll out” the last capable Syrian divisions?
      Do not roll out. We are blocking aviation, and without aviation, Turkish troops will not differ much from ordinary broads.
  • Stas 2rep 10 February 2020 18: 36 New
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    # Fights under taftanase #. what are they fighting under?
  • yfast 10 February 2020 19: 09 New
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    Assad is powerful, has been fighting since half the world.
    That would be in the Donbass as well, not hiding to the Dnieper.
  • Sarkazm 10 February 2020 19: 27 New
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    5 Turkish soldiers were killed, the Turks once again attacked the conditionally "pro-Assad" forces. Negotiations are underway at the level of Deputy Foreign Ministers in Ankara on the situation around Idlib.

    There is an attempt to push the two players between Russia and Turkey with their foreheads, and our "friends" in Syria and joint operations, and our opponents are interested in this.

    For example, the same article on a Chinese resource about the alleged blocking by our Su-35S of the Turkish Air Force’s actions was nothing but a provocation and a throw-in. Well, you just need to be an idiot to intercept or block the actions of numerically superior Turkish air forces to a handful of Su-35S from the Khmeimim air base, and physically it is impossible to realize. But such stones will be thrown, they are no use now, the bouillon is only, and the circles on the water then go ...
    It’s not even about a military clash between our country and Turkey, which will not end well for us specifically in Syria, but will not greet Turkey more globally, it’s about the goal is to separate us from Turkey, to create a situation where Russia doesn’t will be able to negotiate with Turkey, and Turkey will have no alternatives other than the Washington Regional Committee.

    Such provocations immediately give rise to questions such as what’s the fighting spirit of the Turkish army - let me remind you, the Turkish Armed Forces are second to NATO in number after the US Armed Forces, and are traditionally considered the first in discipline and training. In any limited direct conflict, i.e. local collision, and we can face Turkey either in the Black Sea or in the Caucasus, if nuclear weapons are excluded, then we have no advantage over the Turks. But the Turks are warriors, they have rich military traditions, universal military service, and accordingly a large and well-trained mobilization resource.
    The population of Turkey is more than 82 million. people, of which a little less than 70 million. actually Turks and representatives of Turkic-speaking peoples. The nation is quite young, the demographic situation is much better than ours.
    If we take the peoples, the traditional “imperials,” we are in stagnation after the collapse of the Russian Empire and the USSR, and the Turks are now growing, on their spiral of development, they go to the top of the neo-Ottoman empire.
    1. flicker 10 February 2020 21: 49 New
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      Actually, militarily, Turkey is not a problem for us. We will quickly enough minimize the possibility of Turkey militarily. Another thing is that war is not profitable for us. We will greatly complicate our geopolitical and diplomatic positions in the butt with geldings. And that worries. And let the Turks forget Idlib, they won’t get it.
  • Sarkazm 10 February 2020 19: 32 New
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    And in your opinion everything will go so smoothly?

    Erdogan spoke about this possibility last week.
    Who cares, the Turkish news agency Anadolu has a Russian version of the site and profiles on Twitter, Instagram, etc., you can read exactly what the Turks say, how they perceive and evaluate the situation, follow the news and the actions of the Turkish armed forces in Syria .
  • Pastor 10 February 2020 20: 16 New
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    The offensive of the Syrian army began when Turkey decided to get involved in Libya. Everything is on time somehow. The feeling that all operations are planned in the Kremlin. )))
  • Mentat 10 February 2020 21: 44 New
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    And in your opinion everything will go so smoothly?

    But threatening Russia was not worth it. If the Turks think that with their primitive actions they can provoke some rash statements from the Russian Federation, they are very mistaken. But they succumb, having played enough in a proxy war, in full.

    Let me remind you that last time Turkey lost $ 20 billion from the short sanctions of Russia. Apparently striving to improve performance. Billion 100 will fall on the budget of Turkey, and it will simply crack.

    Hope for some help from NATO is very reckless. One Georgian man also hoped strongly, and then he ate a tie and, with bulging eyes, wallowed in the dust under bulletproof vests, thinking that Russian helicopters were flying to eliminate him.
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      Let me remind you that last time Turkey lost $ 20 billion from the short sanctions of Russia

      Last time there was no South Stream. Now we fit into it and became dependent on Turkey.
      It’s not known when they will build the North, the southern Turks can block if we start to run into them. All that remains is the Ukrainian GTS and Belarus. Well, with these yourself you know what kind of relationship ...
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      Our answer is a travel ban? Do not make me laugh
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      Quote: Mentat
      But threatening Russia was not worth it.

      Leave your tomatoes to yourself, no one will threaten, just take it and do it.
  • L-39NG 10 February 2020 22: 23 New
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    Are there only Turks suffering losses? Are the rest immortal?
    I would like your optimism
  • NordUral 10 February 2020 22: 38 New
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    Good news! There is nothing to hang out in the territory of another state.
  • Protos 11 February 2020 00: 15 New
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    The Turks have already answered. They attacked 115 targets controlled by Assad, of which 101 were destroyed.
    The Turks said they would continue to attack.

    Time trouble Idiet reported !? laughing
  • Protos 11 February 2020 00: 17 New
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    If we take the peoples, the traditional “imperials,” we are in stagnation after the collapse of the Russian Empire and the USSR, and the Turks are now growing, on their spiral of development, they go to the top of the neo-Ottoman empire.

    Why, for TNW, the fresher the meat, the thicker the ashes bully
  • old friend 11 February 2020 04: 58 New
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    I know that now I’ll say banal and not quite popular things, but ...
    For Russia, there can be only one priority, both in foreign and domestic policies - the well-being and prosperity of its citizens. All other actions - only through the prism of compliance with this principle. And then everything will be fine.
    No alliances, obligations, subsidies, or unrelated loans to America’s “allies,” “partners,” or “enemies.” Concentration on one’s internal problems and their solution is the key to the country's prosperity and success. All these Syria of Venezuela, Libya and Africa fuck, in fact, the Russian Federation is not needed.
    Climbed into Syria, played a great combination, taking advantage of the inadequacy of US policy on BV? I wonder where there is a benefit for Russia, as a country? Once again they clicked on the nose of the ov, did the authority on BV increase? What else? Ah, and even got such fucking "allies" as Turkey and Iran. Where is the economic result of these actions? and do not say that not everything is measured in money. Patriotism is good only in relation to their homeland and its citizens.
    And do not tryndet about Syria, as the last bastion of the fight against the caliphate, etc. etc. It was easier to strengthen the border with Afghanistan and at the same time strengthen in the former republics of the USSR (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan). A caliphate would now be a problem, first of all, of Turkey and the EU. We would have: high energy prices, destabilization of the political situation in the EU (the problem of lawlessness of wandering emigrants), the Ukrainian problem would not even be on the sidelines for European countries. And it turns out again, as always, - Ivan Tushin is someone else's fire. On the way out - no one will even say thank you. You will see, in case of final success, less than 5 years will pass, as Assad’s gratitude will melt away like a dawn fog.
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      Quote: old friend
      I know that now I’ll say banal and not quite popular things, but ...
      For Russia, there can be only one priority, both in foreign and domestic policies - the well-being and prosperity of its citizens. All other actions - only through the prism of compliance with this principle. And then everything will be fine.
      No alliances, obligations, subsidies, or unrelated loans to America’s “allies,” “partners,” or “enemies.” Concentration on one’s internal problems and their solution is the key to the country's prosperity and success. All these Syria of Venezuela, Libya and Africa fuck, in fact, the Russian Federation is not needed.
      Climbed into Syria, played a great combination, taking advantage of the inadequacy of US policy on BV? I wonder where there is a benefit for Russia, as a country? Once again they clicked on the nose of the ov, did the authority on BV increase? What else? Ah, and even got such fucking "allies" as Turkey and Iran. Where is the economic result of these actions? and do not say that not everything is measured in money. Patriotism is good only in relation to their homeland and its citizens.
      And do not tryndet about Syria, as the last bastion of the fight against the caliphate, etc. etc. It was easier to strengthen the border with Afghanistan and at the same time strengthen in the former republics of the USSR (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan). A caliphate would now be a problem, first of all, of Turkey and the EU. We would have: high energy prices, destabilization of the political situation in the EU (the problem of lawlessness of wandering emigrants), the Ukrainian problem would not even be on the sidelines for European countries. And it turns out again, as always, - Ivan Tushin is someone else's fire. On the way out - no one will even say thank you. You will see, in case of final success, less than 5 years will pass, as Assad’s gratitude will melt away like a dawn fog.

      Words words.....
      Gone from Afghanistan, so what? Then they got into pin @ dos and we got a huge drug traffic and pumping the country with drugs. Nature does not tolerate emptiness, we will leave, they will stick pin @ dos and other lovers of freebies, but you suggest that you shut yourself in and allow them to turn the whole world into their sty?
      In the 90th already passed: Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq ...., Gorbachev and Yeltsin licked as they could, excitedly, it saved us from sanctions and made us good for Europe and pin @ dos? Nothing like that, on the contrary, everyone is crushing and crushing.
      1. old friend 11 February 2020 15: 27 New
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        Nature does not tolerate emptiness, we will leave, they will stick pin @ dos and other lovers of freebies, but you suggest that you shut yourself in and allow them to turn the whole world into their sty?

        The fact of the matter is that we got into where there were already a bunch of interesting people, and did not leave from somewhere. So far, I see only two 100% of the beneficiaries - Assad (saved his ass) and Iran (air support, operations planning and protection from the United States).
        The Russian Federation has its own safety belt. Strengthening the border of neighboring countries is a holy duty that directly affects the security of your country. About Syria - as far back as 7 years ago, no one even imagined that this was the problem of the Russian Federation, and not of neighboring countries. Sometimes, maybe it’s worth taking an example from the USA and stop helping someone if this is not directly beneficial to your country?
        Already passed in the 90th: Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq ...., Gorbachev and Yeltsin licked as they could, excitedly, did this save us from sanctions and made us good for Europe and pin @ dos?

        No one talks about being good for someone. The thing is that if our guys die, then this should be 100% justified. And certainly, not with international help, the ability to spoil am, etc. It makes no difference to me whether the guys from the Moscow Region or PMC died if they were Russians.
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          There is always a bunch of interesting people anywhere in the world. Defending their interests always goes through to rake them. And in Syria, Russia has very important interests, it will be necessary to rake the interest, by what methods is another question. In Afghanistan, at one time, we also came, but have not been there since the creation of the world, and we also raked interested people.
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      "And do not try to talk about Syria, as the last bastion of the fight against the caliphate, etc. etc. It was easier to strengthen the border with Afghanistan and at the same time strengthen in the former republics of the USSR (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan)" -
      Well, right up to the snot, it's a shame that nothing has increased in your wallet, STRATEG. Count how many people you need in order to strengthen in the republics you have listed. Maybe you personally will go to these republics to agree on the introduction of troops and the arrangement of military bases, as well as organize the construction of a runway for air support? And how many denyushek you will put out of your wallet, are you thrifty ours? In Syria, we were asked for help directly, though bypassing YOUR opinion, but nobody knew that you were not only a strategist, but also able to count.
  • w70
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    Kayuk Asad, played out
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      Kayuk you in Kiev for a long time))))
  • russia2016 11 February 2020 08: 50 New
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    It seems that the Turks are fully openly sponsoring all Islamic terrorists in Syria in order to throw Assad, and they laid .... on Russia and all its attempts to resolve at least somehow the situation in Syria. The creation of a new Turkic-Alkaida-Isil state in Syria is just around the corner. Keep it up Erdogan, show the Russians who the boss is!
  • ABM
    ABM 11 February 2020 10: 50 New
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    Quote: Sarkazm
    5 Turkish soldiers were killed, the Turks once again attacked the conditionally "pro-Assad" forces. Negotiations are underway at the level of Deputy Foreign Ministers in Ankara on the situation around Idlib.

    There is an attempt to push the two players between Russia and Turkey with their foreheads, and our "friends" in Syria and joint operations, and our opponents are interested in this.

    For example, the same article on a Chinese resource about the alleged blocking by our Su-35S of the Turkish Air Force’s actions was nothing but a provocation and a throw-in. Well, you just need to be an idiot to intercept or block the actions of numerically superior Turkish air forces to a handful of Su-35S from the Khmeimim air base, and physically it is impossible to realize. But such stones will be thrown, they are no use now, the bouillon is only, and the circles on the water then go ...
    It’s not even about a military clash between our country and Turkey, which will not end well for us specifically in Syria, but will not greet Turkey more globally, it’s about the goal is to separate us from Turkey, to create a situation where Russia doesn’t will be able to negotiate with Turkey, and Turkey will have no alternatives other than the Washington Regional Committee.

    Such provocations immediately give rise to questions such as what’s the fighting spirit of the Turkish army - let me remind you, the Turkish Armed Forces are second to NATO in number after the US Armed Forces, and are traditionally considered the first in discipline and training. In any limited direct conflict, i.e. local collision, and we can face Turkey either in the Black Sea or in the Caucasus, if nuclear weapons are excluded, then we have no advantage over the Turks. But the Turks are warriors, they have rich military traditions, universal military service, and accordingly a large and well-trained mobilization resource.
    The population of Turkey is more than 82 million. people, of which a little less than 70 million. actually Turks and representatives of Turkic-speaking peoples. The nation is quite young, the demographic situation is much better than ours.
    If we take the peoples, the traditional “imperials,” we are in stagnation after the collapse of the Russian Empire and the USSR, and the Turks are now growing, on their spiral of development, they go to the top of the neo-Ottoman empire.


    traditions - yes, they have it! since Ushakov’s not won a war
    1. Sarkazm 11 February 2020 14: 16 New
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      One old and decrepit Empire collided with a young and growing empire - the result of such a collision is logical. Now we have two embryos of Empires on our side - Persia (Iran) and Turkey.
      Each has its own ideology of development and ambition, the territory to which it can spread its influence. They are young, face external opposition, but develop in spite of everything.
      A simple example of Iran - education, medicine, investment in science, is comparatively superior to us and this gives and will give dividends.
  • Mentat 11 February 2020 18: 49 New
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    Let me remind you that last time Turkey lost $ 20 billion from the short sanctions of Russia

    Last time there was no South Stream. Now we fit into it and became dependent on Turkey.
    It’s not known when they will build the North, the southern Turks can block if we start to run into them. All that remains is the Ukrainian GTS and Belarus. Well, with these yourself you know what kind of relationship ...

    South Stream is a double-edged sword. We supply gas this way, yes. However, what do you think, Turkey just like that, with great friendship agreed on its laying? In this case, your naivety goes off scale.

    Turkey entered the project because it is very profitable for her. Firstly, free money for transit. Secondly, the interception of the initiative from European transit countries. Thirdly, the lever of pressure on Europe. But leverage still needs to be able to use, subtly play, maneuver, intrigue. Does Erdogan show such skills? Judging by his actions, not really. And what does the actual recipient of the gas at the other end of the pipeline, Europe, with which Erdogan already has not brilliant relations, say about “blocking” gas for her, Europe? This is also a lever of pressure, only on the other hand. But you, it seems, simply do not see such things and do not understand.

    Thus, even such an option is likely when Erdogan pushed to attempt to manipulate the gas pipeline and beat it. Do not think that everything is so simple.
  • uralant 11 March 2020 01: 52 New
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    Quote: Alex Justice
    Morale is manifested in the defense of their land.

    Does this apply to Germany and Japan at 2 MB?

    Germany and Japan approached their defense without having an army as such. They squandered all their power on foreign fields and were already demoralized.