When violence is allowed. The sinister grin of capitalism


The rapid rise of the bourgeoisie



The bourgeoisie does not like to be reminded that it came to power through a bloody revolution, and not through gradual reforms. When the old ruling classes (feudal lords, the landowning aristocracy) refused to leave, revolution was the only way to move society forward. But then the revolution was in the interests of the rising bourgeoisie.

In historical bourgeois revolutions, for example, in the English Revolution of 1642-1651, or the famous French Revolution of 1789, we see that the bourgeoisie resorted to violent revolution with great bloodshed and death to establish their rule. Although we can read articles about these events, mourning the "unfortunate" who fell under the blow of the bourgeoisie, we do not see the same condemnations that fall upon the Great October Revolution.

Why is this so? The answer is very simple. The English and French revolutions brought to power the bourgeoisie, the same class that rules today. They broke the chains of the old feudal system, holding back the development of capitalism, a system in its infancy, and laid the foundation for the tremendous development of productive forces, science and technology. Along with this, new rights appeared, of course, bourgeois, but nevertheless they were progressive in comparison with those that dominated under feudalism.

In 1989, in France - and around the world - there were magnificent celebrations on the occasion of the 200th anniversary of the French Revolution. Of course, the celebrations ignored the real meaning of 1789. This was more connected with the fear of a new revolution. However, this event was celebrated, despite all the violence, death and bloodshed.

But when it comes to the October Revolution, everything happens differently. And the reason is clear: the October Revolution put an end to capitalism and landlord economy, it removed the hated tsarist regime from power and laid the foundation for the process of building a workers' state. That's why they hate her so much - she gave an example to workers all over the world, an example that they could look at and emulate when mass communist parties arose in many countries, and the October Revolution was reflected all over the world, from the German revolution of November 1918 to the Spanish Revolution of 1931-1937.

It is precisely because Lenin and the Bolsheviks showed that a workers revolution is possible, that workers can come to power and begin the process of transforming society, so much attention is paid to distortion historical the truth. This has nothing to do with the use of violence. This is just an image of the bloodthirsty, distraught Lenin, an image that can be used as a scarecrow whenever the question of the social revolution is raised as a necessary means of achieving real changes in society. This is done in order to scare away the radically minded youth and workers from the Communists, Marxists.

White terror


The October Revolution of 1917 was actually a relatively peaceful event. In the main cities, the support of the Bolsheviks at that time was so overwhelming that the old regime simply collapsed and showed almost no organized resistance. Violence began after the revolution, as the Civil War began. It was started because the old exploiters, the tsarist land aristocracy and capitalists refused to accept the will of the people, which entailed the expropriation of the landlords and capitalists. Thus they launched a war against the Soviet government. The Bolsheviks had to repulse everything that they had in order to preserve the young workers' state.

The truth is that if the October Revolution did not take place, the revolutionary workers, peasants and soldiers would be drowned in blood. In late August - early September 1917, General Kornilov gathered his troops in the vicinity of Petrograd. He prepared his so-called wild division, experienced fighters from the Caucasus, to enter the city and drown the revolution in blood.

His goal was not to defend democracy, but to establish a military dictatorship to restore the old order. As the historian Mayer writes in his book Furies: Violence and Terror in the French and Russian Revolution:

"... trying to restore the old regime and empire, even if they were deprived of the Romanov dynasty, the last [tsarist officers] were just as hostile to liberal or socialist democracy as to proletarian dictatorship."

According to some historians, Kornilov ordered not to take prisoners and not even save the wounded from the battlefields. His defeat at the hands of the Petrograd workers led by the Bolsheviks saved the Russian masses from a particularly brutal dictatorship, which would be the Russian version of fascism.

The White Terror that followed during the Civil War led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of men, women and children, as well as to mass executions of peasants who supported the Bolsheviks. Kornilov after escaping from prison said: "... the more terror, the greater our victories." When he gathered his forces (even before the formation of the Red Army) for a total counter-revolutionary war, he vowed that his goals should be fulfilled, even if it means "burn out half the country and shed the blood of three quarters of all Russians." Kornilov also contributed to anti-Semitic pogroms in an attempt to restore the old pre-revolutionary regimes of the tsarist regime.

When we say that he wanted the old regime, let's not forget what kind of regime it was. In January 1905, an event occurred that went down in history as Bloody Sunday. A peaceful demonstration gathered in front of the Winter Palace, in which about 140 thousand people took part to appeal to the tsar. The answer they received was a bitter lesson, showing the true nature of the king and his regime. Troops opened fire on the unarmed masses, killing hundreds and injuring thousands. It was then that Tsar Nicholas II became known as Nicholas the Bloody.

It is this story that explains the hatred of the Russian masses towards the tsarist regime. And then Lenin wrote from exile in Switzerland:

“... the working class has received the great lesson of civil war; in one day the revolutionary education of the proletariat stepped forward in a way that it could not have stepped into the months and years of a gray, mundane, clogged life. The slogan of the heroic Petersburg proletariat “death or freedom!” Is now echoing throughout Russia.

If Kornilov had won the Civil War, then there would have been a much worse “bloody Sunday”. And what will bourgeois historians now say? Without a doubt, they will justify this as a necessary means of maintaining the established order, and little will be said about “violence and bloodshed”! The fact is that it would be blood shed in defense of private property, the privileges of the elite, its right to exploit the workers and peasants and continue the centuries-old suffering of the poor working masses.

Churchill decided to use chemical weapons in the war against the Bolsheviks


What really prevailing bourgeois historians cannot recognize is that the October Revolution succeeded thanks to the massive support of the workers and peasants. During the ensuing Civil War, as the Red Army advanced, land was taken from the landlords and distributed to the peasants. Whenever White’s army conquered areas, these progressive measures were reversed.

In despair, Churchill ordered chemical weapon against the Bolsheviks. An article that appeared in The Guardian in September 2013 titled “The shocking use of chemical weapons by Winston Churchill”explains what happened in 1919:
“... as a long-standing supporter of chemical warfare, he was determined to use them against the Bolsheviks. In the summer of 1919, Churchill planned and carried out a continuous chemical attack on the north of Russia. ”


A new chemical weapon has been developed that can deliver a very toxic gas, diphenylamine chloroarsine. Major General Charles Foulkes, who is responsible for this project, called it "the most effective chemical weapon ever invented." This gas caused uncontrolled vomiting, coughing up blood and fainting of the victims.

Sir Kit Price, director of chemical weapons production, was convinced that this would very quickly lead to the collapse of Bolshevik power in the Soviet Union. At the end of August 1919, several villages captured by the Bolsheviks were bombarded with shells fired with this gas, but the weapon proved to be less effective than Churchill had hoped, and very soon its use was discontinued.

But let's think for a moment. Here we are dealing with a British political leader, whom the same historians, who condemn the violence of the Red Army, are called a democrat, and who was ready to use chemical weapons indiscriminately against Russian peasant villages. Again, the contrast is striking to the nth degree.

Massacre of the Paris Commune


If one of the readers is not convinced that the White Terror would lead to a bloody massacre, he should look at what happened to the courageous Communards during the short existence of the Paris Commune in 1871. How many students have ever been told what happened in Paris in March, April and May of that year? The answer to this question can be reduced to one thing: the defeat of Emperor Napoleon III in September 1870 in the Franco-Prussian War.

In fact, the Paris Commune was the first time in history when workers deliberately tried to take control of society. If someone wants to know more about this glorious episode in the history of the working class, he can read the works of Marx's Civil War in France, Lenin's On the Paris Commune, and Lessons from the Commune.

As soon as the reactionary troops of the Versailles regime entered Paris, a systematic massacre of communards began, and, according to various sources, from 18000 to 20000 communards were executed during the Semaine Sanglante (Bloody Week), and thousands of others were either imprisoned or sent to the link.

The events of the collapse of the Paris Commune show the true face of the French bourgeoisie in the face of the threat of a social revolution that could take away all its privileges and put an end to its despotic rule. In their view, this level of violence was justified. Here we see again that it is not violence itself that is a key element in assessing whether it was justified, but the fact that it was used to defend the existing order.

The rise of Italian fascism


While a revolution was taking place in Russia, a variety of revolutionary unrest erupted in the world, threatening the power of the ruling classes in other countries. One of these unrest occurred in Italy, where in August 1917 in Turin, grain riots broke out, led by representatives of the working class, which quickly grew into mass anti-war protests of the working class with armed clashes between workers and state forces. In the end, the movement was brutally suppressed, many workers were killed. According to bourgeois sources, at least 50 people were killed, 200 injured, and 822 workers arrested. Other sources say that the death toll could reach 500 people, because the bodies were taken away very quickly. Authorities tried to stop the spread News about this event.

It was only a harbinger of the fact that the working class of Italy could and was ready to go over to an open revolution. But this was not the first time that Italian state authorities shot and killed protesting workers. There has been a long history of violent government repression against worker protests. One of the most famous took place back in 1898 - the Beva-Beccaris massacre, named after the general who ordered the workers to be shot during mass food riots in Milan. On May 7, 1898, 60000 striking workers marched towards the center of Milan. General Beva Beccaris stationed his troops in the Piazza del Duomo, Milan's main central square. As the workers advanced, the general gave the order to shoot at the demonstrators, including artillery. Eighty protesters were killed and 450 injured, according to official statements.

After World War I, a huge wave of worker-peasant struggle rose in Italy. Peasants seized land, especially in the south, while in industrial centers, mainly in the north, workers occupied factories. However, this did not turn into a revolution (why - the topic for a separate article).

As soon as the immediate threat of revolution passed, the bourgeoisie struck back with a vengeance. She began to support and finance the Mussolini fascists, using them as shock troops against the revolutionary workers.

Mussolini founded his fascist party in 1919, and initially only small forces were gathered around him. But after the money of the wealthy capitalists began to pour in the river, the Mussolini party began to grow stronger. In return, Mussolini and his fascist gangs raided trade unions and socialist organizations, as well as intimidating KPI figures. At the peak of the power of the Mussolini party, in 1922, he organized the famous "March to Rome" when the king appointed him prime minister. The dictatorship was declared later, in 1926.

What fascism meant for the working class


In April 1926, trade unions were replaced by fascist "corporations", which were under the direct control of the regime. The right to strike was revoked. This was a response to the revolutionary movement of 1918-1920, during which the workers achieved a significant increase in wages and an eight-hour working day. In May 1927, a 10 percent reduction in wages was introduced, followed by a further reduction in October of that year, which led to an overall annual reduction in wages of 20 percent. In 1930, the Italian Industrialists' Association demanded a further reduction in labor costs, and the regime introduced another 8 percent reduction in wages, and in 1934 another. And although, faced with high inflation in the mid-late 1930s, the regime was forced to make some increase in wages, the overall reduction in the real wages of workers between 1922 and 1943 was 25 percent.

In the process of strengthening their power, the fascist gangs organized a systematic campaign of arson of the offices of the Communist Party, Socialist Party and trade unions, attacks on meetings of the labor movement and killings of key workers and peasant leaders. According to Gaetano Salvemini (quoted from the book “Le origini del fascismo in Italia”),

"about three thousand people died at the hands of the Nazis in two years."

The most famous was the case of Giacomo Matteotti, a member of the Socialist Party, who publicly condemned the 1924 election as a hoax, accusing the government of fraud and fraud. He was killed on June 10 of that year. The killers acted on the direct orders of Mussolini himself, who by that time was already the prime minister.

Churchill, the American ambassador, the pope - all supported Mussolini


What was the reaction of the "democratic West" to all this? Winston Churchill, who was subsequently introduced during the Second World War as “a fighter for democracy and freedom,” Mussolini said at a press conference in Rome in January 1927 the following:

“If I were Italian, I’m sure I would be completely with you from beginning to end your victorious struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism.”

The fact that Churchill later came into conflict with Mussolini was not at all connected with the struggle for democracy. This was due to the fact that Italy ultimately sided with Hitler and threatened the vital interests of Great Britain. But in his crush on the Italian working class, Churchill fully supported Mussolini.

Such was the approach of the leading British bourgeois politician. But what was the point of view of American leaders? In 1928, an English translation of Mussolini's autobiography was published in New York. The foreword to the book was written by the former US ambassador to Italy (from May 1921 to February 1924) Richard Washburn Child.

The following suggestions, taken from the foreword to this book, are enough to indicate whether the “democratic” United States supported Mussolini:
“I knew well a man who now finally wrote characteristically, directly and simply about myself, to whom I have a deep affection ... in our time, one can penetratingly predict that no person will show greatness equal to the greatness of Mussolini ... I knew him before of how the world as a whole, outside of Italy, had ever heard of him ... when I first saw him, he came to my residence shortly before going to Rome. "

In the memoirs of Richard Washburn Child, “The Diplomat Looks at Europe” (1925), there is a chapter on Mussolini, full of praise to the Nazis, and he clearly sees in them the saviors of Italy and the bulwark against the threat of communism.

What about the catholic church? Pius XI was an inveterate anti-communist. “We have many interests that need to be protected,” said the pope shortly after Mussolini’s campaign in Rome in 1922. Mussolini relied on the pope to strengthen his power and achieve his political goals. Later, the official Catholic hierarchy created the myth that the church fought against fascism. Although some local priests were indeed on the side of ordinary people, the Vatican under Pius XI played an important role in helping Mussolini strengthen his power. Mussolini expressed his gratitude for the restoration of many privileges previously lost by the church.

Thus, we see how a bourgeois “democratic” member of the “mother of all parliaments”, an American diplomat and the leader of the Catholic Church, did not hesitate to support the bloody regime responsible for the deaths of so many people, simply because it was in their material interests. The same people attacked the Bolsheviks for their violence, again not for violence in itself, but because it was revolutionary violence carried out in defense of the workers and peasants, who removed capitalists and landlords from power. We see how these people use and condone violence when it seeks to protect private property.

The massacre of Chinese Communists in 1927


The Chinese revolution of 1925-1927 was another historic moment when the workers tried to take their fate into their own hands. However, due to the weakness of the Chinese working class, the attempt failed. The defeat of the revolution again led to a terrible bloodbath with tens of thousands of workers killed.

During 1927 and 1928, a series of massacres took place, the first of which occurred in Shanghai in March-April 1927. Thousands of activists were killed. In May, the Kuomintang staged another massacre in Changsha when about 10000 Communists were killed. Between April and December 1927, according to historians, 38000 people were executed and more were imprisoned. Between January and August 1928, more than 27000 people were sentenced to death. By 1930, the Chinese Communist Party estimated that around 140000 people were killed or died in prison. In 1931, another 38000 people were executed.

All this was done with the support of all imperialist powers, primarily the United States and England. Again, the Western imperialists, the local landowners, and the bourgeois saw in all these killings the need to maintain their rule over the Chinese masses.

Japan invades, but Chan's priority is to annihilate the Communists


Much has been said about the millions who died in the course of many years of fighting in China, but the responsibility for this lies with the Chinese capitalists, landowners and imperialists, whose interests they served. They were not ready to give up their land and their profits. The Chinese bourgeoisie considered fighting against the communists more important than repelling the invasion of the Japanese. This was repeatedly demonstrated during the Japanese invasion. This is not the first time in history when we see that the ruling class has more in common with enemy invaders than with its own people.

Strengthening his power in 1927, Chiang Kai-shek focused on the destruction of the Communists. This laid the foundation for what later became known as the “Long March,” when the Communists fled from cities and reorganized into partisan armies in remote areas. In 1931, the Japanese invaded China, capturing Manchuria, and then deployed troops in Central China, not far from Beijing. But instead of concentrating his forces against the Japanese, Chiang Kai-shek deployed the bulk of his forces near Yanan, the province where the communist forces concentrated ...
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  1. Octopus 11 February 2020 06: 26 New
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    Sorry, maybe this question has already been asked, but I missed it.

    The author is an istmath teacher who was alcoholized in the early 80s, for whom for some reason did his grandchildren give a tablet? Or found on the mezzanine in the apartment of the deceased grandmother (my condolences hi ) benefits for rural agitators of that time, and sits a troll? It is impossible to believe that a person living in 2020 would write in that language, it’s like with yats and yers write.
    1. Durman_54 11 February 2020 08: 23 New
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      I especially liked this:
      "about three thousand people died at the hands of the Nazis in two years."
      The figure is terrible, I do not argue. But certainly not commies, who executed 600 thousand people only during the years of great terror, have the right to say something there about the number of deaths.
      1. neri73-r 11 February 2020 09: 51 New
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        Quote: Durman_54
        But certainly not commies, who executed 600 thousand people only during the years of great terror, have the right to say something there about the number of deaths.

        Do not lie, 600 thousand is from 1921 to 1953, and there are not only "whites", but also criminals. traitors, traitors to the motherland (two wars have passed during this time), etc. That is, all those shot, For interest, see how many people were executed in the USA and other Western "democracies" at that time. I'm not talking about the destruction of entire nations by civilized savages. hi
        1. Octopus 11 February 2020 12: 46 New
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          Quote: neri73-r
          600 thousand is from 1921 to 1953

          This is a reference by Rudenko VMN on the 58th and similar. Conditional Vavilov, for example, who died in prison, is not included in it. The Soviet government is not to blame for the fact that he went to prison with such poor health.
          Quote: neri73-r
          not only white, but also criminals

          As if to shoot, conditionally, a house-thief for being a Japanese spy is not a crime.
          Quote: neri73-r
          traitors, traitors to the motherland

          Yes Yes. Some Polish spies were spanked by 100 thousand people, from Kosior to the outskirts. A rich country, Poland, to get so many spies, including in the Politburo.
          Quote: neri73-r
          For fun, see how many were executed in the USA and other Western "democracies" at that time.

          In the States, 15 thousand over the past 400 years. In 30 people, 300 a year at maximum, EMNIP.
          Quote: neri73-r
          not talking about the destruction of entire nations by civilized savages

          I mean, did the Soviet government kill Russians, like the Belgians of blacks in the Congo? There is something in it.
          1. Campanella 12 February 2020 23: 56 New
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            Your wretchedness and ignorance is amazing.
            Are you trying to write a new story with wide strokes of your meager knowledge?
            It doesn’t work, buy Vaseline - communism, socialism or something
            in this way will inevitably come for you. Work in vain here, the formation that you are trying to defend so ineptly, childishly unconvincingly, has outlived its own.
            1. Octopus 13 February 2020 07: 54 New
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              It doesn’t work, buy petroleum jelly

              Yes, Dud forgot to tell about it.

              Children! Never use oil-based collective farm lubricants, including petroleum jelly! Latex does not combine with Vaseline!
              1. Campanella 13 February 2020 10: 02 New
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                Dud is an authoritative comrade, a great practitioner and theorist of human thought.
        2. Durman_54 11 February 2020 12: 52 New
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          Yes Yes. Traitors, traitors, wrong communists ... You can go on endlessly listing your enemies until there is only one great Leader. After all, the great ideology of Communism ™ is so great that otherwise it will crumble from any sneeze.
          It is during the years of great terror. For the entire period of Stalinism executed 800k.
          Firstly, in the United States executed over the entire period of the state’s existence there are dozens of times less than we have in a couple of years. Secondly, there were no political ones (hello to the Communists, who were not enough Communists for the adored leader).
          And finally, it’s much better to destroy your own people, yeah.
          It’s me who Mao and Pol Pot didn’t drag, the numbers are even sadder there.
          1. neri73-r 11 February 2020 14: 44 New
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            Quote: Durman_54
            Yes Yes. Traitors, traitors, wrong communists ... You can go on endlessly listing your enemies until there is only one great Leader. After all, the great ideology of Communism ™ is so great that otherwise it will crumble from any sneeze.
            It is during the years of great terror. For the entire period of Stalinism executed 800k.
            Firstly, in the United States executed over the entire period of the state’s existence there are dozens of times less than we have in a couple of years. Secondly, there were no political ones (hello to the Communists, who were not enough Communists for the adored leader).
            And finally, it’s much better to destroy your own people, yeah.
            It’s me who Mao and Pol Pot didn’t drag, the numbers are even sadder there.

            You write nonsense, this whole topic has long been disassembled, including here in VO, not the end of the 80s and not the 90s, there is no one to hang noodles! hi Internet to help you! tongue
        3. Arlen 11 February 2020 13: 09 New
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          Quote: neri73-r
          600 thousand is from 1921 to 1953

          In general, the numbers for this period of time vary. For example, Zemskov V.N. (if not mistaken) cited the figures of 799 executed for counter-revolutionary and other especially dangerous state crimes. In the memorandum of Rudenko to Khrushchev, the number 455 people is indicated. According to other sources, in the years 642980-1921, 1953 815 people were sentenced to death. But in any case, from 639-1921, the number of people sentenced to death did not exceed the number of 1953 people, and as you rightly noted
          Quote: neri73-r
          and there are not only “whites”, but also criminals. traitors, traitors to the motherland (two wars have passed during this time), etc.

          hi
      2. Olgovich 11 February 2020 14: 30 New
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        Quote: Durman_54
        I especially liked this:
        "about three thousand people died at the hands of the Nazis in two years."
        Numeral terrible, I do not argue.

        Wretched lies Gaetano Salvemini, who wrote it, is not terrible, but funny. lol

        This item is from 1925 ghe didn’t live in Italy (the bloody Mussola regime ... allowed him to leave the country), fled to France, then to the USA, where he quietly taught at Harvard to the acclaimed capitalists. The concepts of what is happening in Italy, respectively, are nand had no but he "fought" ... wrote yes

        From 1927 to 1943, the State Special Tribunal received allegations of political crimes against approximately 21 people; of them 15 381 were acquitted preliminary investigation, 5584 (including 162 women) were tried (988 people are acquitted). and only 4596 people (mostly communists, but also socialists, anarchists, etc.) were convicted.

        There were NO concentration camps in Italy, as many as 42 people were executed exclusively FOR TERRORISM (assassination attempts, attacks, etc.), and opponents were referred to ... the Mediterranean islands, including on the famous about. Capri, where he enjoyed the Mediterranean Ulyanov

        author: October Revolution, marked the beginning of the construction process Desktop state
        .
        workers in Russia accounted for 8% of the country's population.
        Question to the author: and others 92% of its citizens- had no right to think, decide, want something, huh?

        As for the "good" power, I generally made fun lol in the first so-called SNK was already ... (alone!) A lively “working man” - Shlyapnikov (they shot, by the way, in 37 g of a spy and saboteur!). All! But 40% were there ...nobles.
        author: True that if the October Revolution did not take place, the workers, peasants and soldiers would be drowned in blood.

        These “would” are not worth the paper on which they are written: before the Thief there were no such victims as AFTER her: just look at the history of Russia.

        But exclusively AFTER THE THIEN, the Grazhd war broke out: what a frighttens of millions of people who sent the Bolsheviks in the elections far, far, they had to agree with ... their power seizure of power ?!

        The price of the Bolshevik adventure with VOR is 10 million victims of GR. war, several times more losses in the WORLD war, with which the Bolsheviks fought so fiercely ...
        Author: And Lenin wrote then from the link in Switzerland:

        From the link ... to Switzerland?! belay

        Ay, I was surprised by the short-haired Tsag regime (with the author together)lol

        But the wife of, for example, the President of the USSR (Pres. Pres. Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces) Kalinin crushed nits in a wizard during a bath in Kazakhstan - and that was a great happiness! yes
    2. dauria 11 February 2020 11: 23 New
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      The author is an istmath teacher who was alcoholized in the early 80s, for whom for some reason did his grandchildren give a tablet?


      If the teacher is bad. The real one would think. "Well, here I was teaching Marxuhu, I was convinced of logic and conclusions. Slender science, etc. And suddenly bang! A reference country with an excellent army, economy and social sphere collapsed without war, along with the Warsaw Treaty. How? !! ! "
      For me, this feeling is a hefty strong man, live and live, sneezed and died. What is wrong in his body? Marxist scientists, you’d even have an autopsy. And then we will build socialism again, but it will sneeze and die.
      1. Octopus 11 February 2020 13: 00 New
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        let’s build socialism again, and it will sneeze and die.

        Peace advocates explained to me.

        The building of communism is not skydiving, when everything should work out the first time. It’s like a sekas, when for the first time everyone is doing badly, here is the USSR, in the 50th Madura’s also, frankly, not much better, but we must try and for the 100th time it will turn out more or less tolerably. The thing itself is good, necessary.

        In principle, I am ready to agree with this. I just would like to stay away from such training, personally myself. Because socialism, as far as one can judge, is not a cute schoolboy, but a little bit a killer maniac, and from the experiences of such people it may become good, but not his, um, game partners.
    3. Campanella 12 February 2020 23: 45 New
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      We forgive, nature forgave you deprived you ...
    4. NordUral 15 February 2020 23: 22 New
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      And where did the author lie, Octopus? And rudeness is not an argument.
      1. Octopus 15 February 2020 23: 43 New
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        Quote: NordUral
        rudeness is not an argument.

        You're right. And what is it about?
        Quote: NordUral
        And where the author lied

        And I did not show the author lies. I presented a Soviet training manual from the time of developed Marasmus.

        But if you want so, please. I will not parse each paragraph, excuse me.
        The English and French revolutions brought to power the bourgeoisie, the same class that rules today. They broke the chains of the old feudal system, holding back the development of capitalism, a system in its infancy, and laid the foundation for the enormous development of productive forces, science and technology. Along with this, new rights appeared, of course, bourgeois, but nevertheless they were progressive in comparison with those that dominated under feudalism.

        It's true.
        It is precisely because Lenin and the Bolsheviks showed that a workers revolution is possible, that workers can come to power and begin the process of transforming society,

        It's a lie. IN AND. Lenin is a publicist and publisher from the city of Zurich, Switzerland, a hereditary nobleman, from the family of a large official. L.D. Trotsky is a social activist from the city of New York, USA, a landowner by birth because of the Pale of Settlement. Ya.M. Sverdlov is a professional illegal party activist from a family of a shopkeeper. He was alone in front of VOSR in Russia.

        And the workers are working. They have no time to transform society.
        1. NordUral 16 February 2020 20: 07 New
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          The main thing is not power and not who took this power, but the results of this power for the majority, the Octopus.
          Formally, you are right, but in fact - no.
          1. Octopus 16 February 2020 20: 42 New
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            Quote: NordUral
            The main thing is not power and not who took this power,

            Did you fall from the oak?
            The fundamental question of any revolution is the question of power in the state.

            Quote: NordUral
            the results of this power for most

            They are famous.

            About the collective farm peasantry, the conversation is difficult, another time, but about the working class, here:

            I got married in 1914, twenty years old. Since I had a good profession (locksmith), I was able to immediately rent an apartment. It had a living room, kitchen, bedroom, dining room. Years passed after the revolution, and it pains me to think that I, a worker who lived under capitalism is much better than the workers live under the Soviet regime. So we overthrew the monarchy, the bourgeoisie, we won our freedom, and people live worse than before. As a locksmith in the Donbass before the revolution, I earned 40–45 rubles a month. Black bread cost 2 kopecks a pound (410 grams), and white - 5 kopecks. Fat went at 22 cents per pound, an egg - a penny apiece. Good boots cost 6, from the strength of 7 rubles

            According to the presentation of the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions - the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR decides:

            1. To increase the working hours of workers and employees in all state, cooperative and public enterprises and institutions:

            from seven up to eight hours - at enterprises with a seven-hour working day;
            from six to seven hours - at work with a six-hour working day, with the exception of occupations with hazardous working conditions, according to lists approved by the SNK of the USSR;
            from six to eight hours - for employees of institutions;
            from six to eight hours - for those who have reached 16-years.
            2. Transfer in all state, cooperative and public enterprises and institutions work from six days to a seven-day week, counting the seventh day of the week - Sunday - as a day of rest.

            3. To prohibit the unauthorized departure of workers and employees from state, cooperative and public enterprises and institutions, as well as the unauthorized transfer from one enterprise to another or from one institution to another.

            Only the director of the enterprise or the head of the institution can authorize the departure from the enterprise and the institution or the transition from one enterprise to another and from one institution to another.

            4. To establish that the director of the enterprise and the head of the institution is entitled and obliged to give permission for the caretaker and employee to leave the enterprise or the institution in the following cases:

            a) when a worker, employee or employee, according to the conclusion of the medical-labor expert commission, cannot perform his previous work due to illness or disability, and the administration cannot provide him with other suitable work in the same enterprise or institution, or when the retiree who is granted an old-age pension , willing to leave work;
            b) when a worker, employee or employee must stop working in connection with enrolling him in a higher or secondary specialized educational institution.
            Leave to female workers and women employees of pregnancy and childbirth are kept in accordance with current legislation.

            5. To establish that workers and employees who voluntarily left state, cooperative and public enterprises or institutions are tried and are sentenced by the people's court to imprisonment from 2 months to 4 months.

            To establish that workers and employees of state, cooperative and public enterprises and institutions go to court for a prosecution without a valid reason and are sentenced by a people's court to correctional labor at work for up to 6 months and withholding wages up to 25%.

            In this regard, to abolish compulsory dismissal for absenteeism without good reason.

            To propose to the people's courts all cases specified in this article to be considered no more than in 5-day period and to execute sentences in these cases immediately.

            6. It is established that the directors of enterprises and heads of institutions for evading the trial of those guilty of unauthorized departure from the enterprise and the institution, and those guilty of absenteeism without good reason, are brought to justice.

            It is also established that the directors of enterprises and the heads of institutions who hired persons hiding from the law, who left the enterprises and institutions without permission, are subject to judicial liability.

            7. This Decree is effective from 27 June 1940.

            Except as otherwise provided in this section, no employer shall employ any of his employees who in any workweek is engaged in commerce or in the production of goods for commerce, or is employed in an enterprise engaged in commerce or in the production of goods for commerce , for a workweek longer than forty hours unless such employee receives compensation for his employment in excess of the hours above specified at a rate not less than one and one-half times the regular rate at which he is employed.

            1938 Fair Labor Standards Act

            Work, blacks.
            1. NordUral 16 February 2020 22: 14 New
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              Work, blacks.
              You are not polite (I will say tolerantly) you, Octopus, speak beautifully about that life, beyond the hillock, and about that which we "lost", but are efficient, as I see.
              It would be so, the Reds did not hold out until the 18th.
              I will say only one thing, the circumstances of more than one social chimera, a chimera, precisely by virtue of circumstances, turned into nothing.
              I will not discuss with you, it’s empty, I’m not the first to say this.
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                Not polite (I will say tolerantly) you, Octopus,

                I am an enemy of tolerance, understood as mandatory hypocrisy.
                Quote: NordUral
                It would be so, the Reds did not hold out until the 18th.

                Do not underestimate the power the dark side lies.
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                I will not discuss with you, it's empty

                Slogans against deeds? I agree.
  2. Far B 11 February 2020 06: 30 New
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    The birth of any social system always goes through a lot of blood. Slaveholding was replaced by feudalism during the wars of the Great Migration of Peoples, feudalism was replaced by capitalism during very bloody revolutions, and socialism will also have to go through this (the first stage was already at the beginning of the last century). Because without a fight no one will lose their positions. It was not for nothing that Lenin wrote that through any election (read — any “democratic” institutions in general) the bourgeoisie will not give up their power. As they say, such is the inexorable logic of the historical process)))
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      Quote: Far In
      feudalism was replaced by capitalism in the course of very bloody revolutions, and socialism will also have to go through this (the first stage was already at the beginning of the last century).

      by no means my friend ... socialism, we have already successfully profiled, and have rolled back to feudalism, so the next stage, following your thoughts, is capitalism again ... and then ... "shot of the Aurora."
      1. Far B 11 February 2020 06: 47 New
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        socialism, we have already successfully profiled, and have rolled back to feudalism
        If we speak about Russia. The article is about the change of formations in general, and not in a single country. Restoration, as you recall, was in England and in France, but history is a stubborn girl.
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        Quote: Grandfather is caste
        to feudalism
        and successfully go to the slave ....
      3. iouris 11 February 2020 12: 40 New
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        You are not quite right. The picture is not so clear. "At times here and there," slid into slavery: a multistructure economy. And the “Aurora shot” will already take place not in Russia, but somewhere else. Most likely, in Washington (according to Marx), and the Russian Federation will for a short time remain the last bastion of bourgeoisia and the decaying dying capitalism. Marx would have turned upside down if he had known about the victory of the socialist revolution not somewhere else, but in Russia. The revolution in the United States was already delayed for a hundred and twenty years.
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          Quote: iouris
          And the “Aurora shot” will already take place not in Russia, but somewhere else. Most likely in Washington (according to Marx)

          Yes, something is hard to believe! It seems that their hegemon is satisfied with the current state of things. And when the owner begins to greet, the unions go on strike and shorten to the extent of the greedy. There only blacks are raging, and the local proletariat is sitting contentedly!
      4. Alex_59 11 February 2020 12: 48 New
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        socialism, we have already successfully profiled
        But socialism in the form of social democracy won in Europe.
        1. iouris 11 February 2020 12: 58 New
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          Do not confuse black with cold. Socialism is a socio-economic formation, and social democracy is a political movement controlled by the bourgeoisie.
          1. Alex_59 11 February 2020 13: 28 New
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            Quote: iouris
            Socialism is a socio-economic formation, and social democracy is a political movement controlled by the bourgeoisie.

            So much the worse for socialism.
            1. iouris 11 February 2020 13: 30 New
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              Socialism does not have a shame. More closely.
              1. Alex_59 11 February 2020 13: 36 New
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                Quote: iouris
                More closely.

                Yes, I'm not the first. Communism and socialism is a utopia for dreamers about how good it would be if all people are honest, hard-working and modest. Therefore, it is crumbling. Due to the fact that the laws of nature are violated in these theories. And the laws of nature are competition and the struggle for a resource which is always in short supply. Man as is is greedy, lazy (when given) and possesses a sense of possessiveness. Remake a person? Sorry, millennia behind the stern, and the nature of man both stood and still stands. Why then deny the obvious. Therefore, yes, capitalism. But with a human face, namely, if you are a friend in a competitive struggle, you went over the norms of adequacy and human humanity, then you’ve gone. And this is social democracy.
                1. iouris 11 February 2020 14: 53 New
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                  Communism and Socialism - Utopia

                  Socialism is the lowest stage of the communist formation. None of the Marxists promised that communism would come. Marx (for his time) scientifically substantiated that communism is a stage of economic development that the capitalist mode of production is logical for, since the (social) nature of production contradicts the (private) form of ownership and the (capitalist) way of appropriating production products. SCIENTIFIC COMMUNISM stands on three pillars of (Western) scientific thought: on (French and English) utopian socialism, classical English political economy, and classical (Germanic) philosophy. Until now, all philosophers, sociologists and economists have been arguing with Marx. (Great) US President F. D. Roosevelt, who was elected four (!) Consecutive terms, said that "we will not surrender Marx to the Communists." The head of the FBI, the omnipotent Hoover, suspected him of communism when Roosevelt led the United States out of the deepest systemic crisis that ended with World War II. And capitalism “with a human face” is your utopia.
                  The dialectical method of cognition, developed by Marxists, does not "violate" the laws of nature, but is a scientific, practical method of knowing nature.
                  The experience of building communism in the USSR showed that this is communism - this is not utopia. Have you forgotten that the USSR was the second most powerful superpower for almost half a century?
                  1. A.TOR 11 February 2020 16: 30 New
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                    Forgot that the Soviet Union was almost the second most powerful superpower for nearly half a century? [/ Quote]
                    At the cost of people's living standards. it was quite possible to be 4-5 and live in peace.
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                      Yes, I, too, am entirely for democracy and equality, but sometimes I want someone to enter the bedroom in the morning and so affectionately: "Master, eat it!"
                    2. iouris 11 February 2020 21: 50 New
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                      "The standard of living of people" increased, the growth of the economy in the USSR during the period of "stagnation" most likely exceeded the growth of the Russian economy. In 1985, the decline in living standards was organized artificially under the "goals of perestroika." Nobody will give you a “live peacefully": too many resources are laid in this generally barren territory that connects the West and the East.
                  2. Alex_59 11 February 2020 16: 32 New
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                    Quote: iouris
                    And capitalism “with a human face” is your utopia.

                    What a utopia. Is Western Europe Utopian?
                    Quote: iouris
                    Have you forgotten that the USSR was the second most powerful superpower for almost half a century?

                    My grandfather was an ideological communist and I deeply respect my Soviet homeland. I love, remember and respect. People have invested in ensuring that descendants live their lives happily. And they did a lot. But....
                    But this does not prevent me from evaluating these efforts objectively, deliberately rejecting my biased positive attitude towards the USSR (especially against the background of some of today's realities). And such an assessment leads me to the conclusion that the efforts were not optimal, and the result was not long-term. The USSR was the second most powerful superpower for only 40 years, and to a large extent at the cost of the well-being of its citizens.
                    I am convinced that the USSR was ahead of its time. It was a false start. Because of this, everything went wrong and ended in nothing. And in those years there were no conditions for building a society comfortable for life, no matter how it was called. The Bolsheviks took up the solution of the problem, the solution of which was not at that time. The goal of the effort (communism) - turned out to be an ephemeral dummy. The methods chosen were not the best, (and who knew which methods were the right ones? They came to the touch) Plus external pressure, wars, an economic blockade. As a result, everything collapsed, and collapsed when, in the capitalist countries, without any revolutions, thanks to the natural course of history, socialist institutions formed themselves, and the basis for building a comfortable social democratic society arose. Without any destruction of capitalism. Quiet, peaceful.
                    And if we look at another example of a communist state - China, then we will see the same thing. China stopped dogmatically denying the benefits of capitalism in all areas of the economy, and as soon as this happened, real rapid growth began. And he was followed by an increase in the standard of living of people. Modern China is openly a social democratic capitalist country, with developed state regulation.
                    All successful examples show a combination of capitalism and social democracy. From here I draw the only possible conclusion - this is the key to success in modern conditions.
                    1. dauria 11 February 2020 18: 55 New
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                      Modern China is openly a social democratic capitalist country, with developed state regulation.


                      And the working class without immunity and the experience of the class struggle. Without trade unions, strikes. Greenhouse such. Like we have. So we’ll have a look. Xi Jinping is not eternal.
                      1. Alex_59 12 February 2020 08: 36 New
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                        Quote: dauria
                        Without trade unions, strikes. Such a person. Like we have. So we’ll have a look.

                        That's for sure. It may also turn sour. But for now, the rod is good. Cheerfully.
                        Although, again - maybe this is an oriental specificity. Mentality. Who knows...
                    2. iouris 11 February 2020 22: 02 New
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                      I think that you do not know enough not only about China, but also about the real conditions in which the USSR developed and about the reasons why it “collapsed”. It is very convenient for building political theories and projects. You must do this professionally or adhere to the concepts and theories that the ideologists of political parties offer you. I don’t think you would like to live in modern China. Not sure if you could fit into the "Swedish Social Democracy." All this only in your “theories” looks so attractive (for you). In reality, life there is not so much beautiful as amazing.
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                        Quote: iouris
                        I think that you do not know enough not only about China, but also about the real conditions in which the USSR developed and about the reasons why it “collapsed”.

                        I know about China by hearsay, but the available indicators say that life there is no longer what it was 15 years ago. The income level of the Chinese is already beginning to exceed ours, at least in PPP, even in direct terms. Given that China took this path literally 40 years ago, these results can be considered excellent.
                        Quote: iouris
                        I don’t think you would like to live in modern China.
                        For reasons not related to the economy. I am European.
                        Not sure if you could fit into "Swedish Social Democracy"
                        in Swedish it may not, but in Italian or French it is easy. Only here I want to live "as there", and not bring it down. That's the problem.
                        Quote: iouris
                        In reality, life there is not so much beautiful as amazing.

                        Well, if you talk like that, then life - it is not sugar everywhere. Everywhere you have to plow in order to achieve something.
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                  So that the wolf shares it must be beaten with dubby. For a short time it turns away from production, because it hurts. In a geyropa from burning tires and tear gas do not breathe. A fight at your social demonic wolf is ripped off by a population of geyrops.
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          But socialism in the form of social democracy won in Europe.

          Why did you decide that in Europe socialism? Just because someone Robert Kolb in his Encyclopedia of Business Ethics and Society stated that “socialist systems are divided into non-market and market forms”? Kolb's statements are a myth. This myth is spread especially by capitalist states in order that people would not be attracted to the ideas of socialism, and even more so the ideas of communism, in particular Leninism and Stalinism.
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            This myth is spread especially by capitalist states so that people would not be attracted to the ideas of socialism, and even more so the ideas of communism, in particular Leninism and Stalinism.

            Well, try to attract well-fed Germans or British ideas of Stalin. They are so oppressed by the bourgeoisie that they will gladly ignore such proposals. Therefore, I think that any manipulation of terms does not make sense here - the well-fed stomachs of Europeans eloquently tell them what is actually better.
            Quote: Arlen
            Why did you decide that in Europe socialism?

            I decided on the invoice. Since people live happily there, without particularly denying anything to themselves, they do not work much, are socially protected, and if they are oppressed then trade unions and strikes rule. Remember how France did not fly a couple of days because of the strike of the dispatchers? That's right, social democracy is.
          2. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 16: 41 New
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            And socialism or capitalism is so important to you. A social state can be in any socio-political formation. Even under a monarchy, such as Saudi Arabia.
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              Well, yes, just like the unforgettable A. Bender - and everything, without exception, in white pants. Only on them slaves koryachut from neighboring poor countries.
              The essence of human nature is competition? So ktozh against, people, grew up and forward, on a common basis, prove, strive. At least to the astronauts, even to the ministers, even to the general secretaries. Remind me from what social basement, by the standards of moneybags, and Stalin and Brezhnev and the marshals of victory? And in order for the dad and mom to observe the conditions, there should not be a bag of money.
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        Maybe we can do without Aurora, enough already. And all that’s necessary is that all the people go to the polls and vote for candidates from the people.
    2. Uncle lee 11 February 2020 07: 03 New
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      the ruling class has more in common with enemy invaders than with its own people.
      But what about our bourgeoisie?
      1. Far B 11 February 2020 07: 10 New
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        But what about our bourgeoisie?
        Is that a question? laughing As for me, our bourgeoisie and the people just have nothing in common, and what they captured is taken out / taken out of the cordon. As is, invaders. (I don’t think any small business is to survive by ourselves).
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          There is a question mark! And with the rest of your conclusions I agree hi
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          Quote: Far In
          our bourgeois

          Our bourgeois behave no better than invaders. The sacking of the country by the bourgeois oligarchs, has been and continues to be dictated by the international Masonic movement.
          Quote: Far In
          I don’t think small business - so we would survive

          I agree. They would make ends meet. Taxes with their business expenses stifle them greatly.
      2. Svarog 11 February 2020 07: 30 New
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        But what about our bourgeoisie?

        Our bourgeoisie, as well as officials ... don’t really want capitalism .. they want feudalism closer .. they really want to feel like a gentleman .. they want a few serfs .. They want to pass on power by inheritance, they arrange their young children to be warm. .but very responsible places .. so that with us - "back to the past" our liberals sent us .. Everyone is moving forward, and in our country, bypassing the most progressive state — USSR, right into feudalism ...
        1. DMB 75 11 February 2020 07: 50 New
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          Let me agree ... That's right ...
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          Quote: Svarog
          feudalism closer to them ..

          No, everything goes to the return of serfdom .... Of course, a carrot is also tied to a stick, in the form of an increase in child allowances and a mat of capital, but at higher prices it is a penny. On diapers more leaves.
          By the way, did you notice how Mishustin was "promoted"? In the new draft Code of Administrative Offenses, fines were lifted to the skies, then "noble" Mishustin turned them around. In the same way, the “good” Putin lowered his retirement age in the promotion project. Kind pancake. am
      3. iouris 11 February 2020 12: 59 New
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        But what about our bourgeoisie?

        Are they exactly “ours”?
      4. Arlen 11 February 2020 13: 23 New
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        And our bourgeoisie, like 100 years ago:
        "The bourgeoisie is forced to hypocrite and call it" nation-wide power "or democracy in general, or pure democracy (bourgeois) democratic republic, which in reality is the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the dictatorship of the exploiters over the working masses. V.I. Lenin
  3. Gardamir 11 February 2020 06: 38 New
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    All this is interesting, but nothing is said about the coup d'etat of 1991-93.
    That is why the current bourgeoisie do not want to notice 1917, but they invented holidays in honor of the coup.
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      The current bourgeoisie will not recall the shooting of the parliament, as I have commented on below.
      And about the Author, maybe he will write about it? It would be interesting what new facts may appear. After all, some documents are being declassified.
      Fellows declassified from that time.
      Quote: Gardamir
      All this is interesting, but nothing is said about the coup d'etat of 1991-93.
      That is why the current bourgeoisie do not want to notice 1917, but they invented holidays in honor of the coup.
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      Khasbulatov and Rutskoi were already such communists, such ... The usual clan struggle.
      Quote: Gardamir
      All this is interesting, but nothing is said about the coup d'etat of 1991-93.
  4. carstorm 11 11 February 2020 06: 42 New
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    I’m always worried about the question ... but what do modern revolutionaries want to rely on? peasants and workers in quantitative terms are falling and will fall even further. they are less and less every day. technology has now reached that level and this is only the beginning.
    1. Far B 11 February 2020 06: 50 New
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      The proletariat is a social class for which self-employment (selling their own labor force) is essentially the only source of livelihood.
      More questions?
      1. carstorm 11 11 February 2020 06: 55 New
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        Yes, in principle, no) it's even more fun. I’m also an employee, but somehow I don’t ascribe myself to the proletarians from the word at all)
        1. Far B 11 February 2020 07: 05 New
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          The question of self-identification is such a question laughing Mowgli considered himself a wolf laughing (a joke, almost about Mowgli: “There is a telecast of“ Obvious-Incredible. ”Academician Kapitsa says:“ Recently, a boy was brought up in India, brought up by a herd of wild elephants. The boy does not know how to talk, but you would have seen him raise without his hands sticks! .. "). But seriously, among the workers, too, not everyone welcomed the Great October Revolution.
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          . I do not ascribe myself to the proletarians from the word at all)

          This is because associations with the word proletariat are associated with workers in the workshops of the plant. So it happened historically.
          In fact, anyone who works under a contract of employment is a proletarian.
          There is less demand from the worker. He must produce a competitive product.
          At the rate of production.
          Non-proletarians under an employment contract are essentially slaves who can be sacrificed first to please the market in order to optimize costs.
          The capitalist, if he is not stupid, will cut the production workers last because they feed him and also office creative plankton. By reducing plankton, you can redistribute responsibilities among those remaining, who will be glad that they have not been reduced. Having reduced the worker, the production chain is knocked out. And the worker just goes to the competitor.
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      To creative class
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      and what do modern revolutionaries want to rely on?

      At the office "plankton", at the moment it is the most oppressed, destitute and powerless class.
  5. Reptiloid 11 February 2020 06: 44 New
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    Not all the facts knew. Thanks.
    After reading it recalled ---- Yeltsin.
    On the street in Yekaterinburg, which was formerly named after the victims of January 9, the Yeltsin Center was built, and the street was renamed and now it is the street in honor of Yeltsin. Who authorized the execution of Parliament
  6. rotmistr60 11 February 2020 06: 47 New
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    They were surprised. Yes, the "bestial grin of capitalism (imperialism)" as it was and remained. Only, in addition to everything, after 91 g, he bared his mouth and in Russia.
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      We have no capitalism. We have a country of victorious bureaucracy.
  7. igorra 11 February 2020 07: 23 New
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    We profiled not only the state, but the idea itself. And now it’s ridiculous to look at people who voted for capitalism, but demanding social benefits, as under the Communists.
    1. Campanella 13 February 2020 00: 04 New
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      No one voted for capitalism. So the question has never been posed. However, Putin dares to say that we see whether we ourselves chose capitalism.
      I see only one thing, people have been deceived and are trying to make extreme and the president’s assertion is unnecessary proof.
      1. Essex62 14 February 2020 09: 31 New
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        It’s not possible to deceive a person with a firm position in life. So a wormhole of individualism and a baryzovy psychology arose in my head. It seemed that with the Union’s super-social for yourself it’s possible to snatch a thread. What would a thief have as a director of a trading depot, a farmer, a workshop. Society, in the late USSR, began to look at the rudiments of baryzhy morality condescendingly, with understanding. "Want to live, know how to spin." And this does not happen, socialism, first of all, collectivism, where the interests of the whole society prevail over the personal ones. And propagandists and political leaders forced the hackneyed cliches without explaining to people the essence of the idea. For the most part, not sharing it. The public pie is always finite, no matter how voluminous it is and on what modern technologies it is not based. If someone has a lot, the rest are. Maybe in the future, with the development of super technologies. But this is communism, not limited Wishlist. Only a problem in the psychology of homo-hapiens, he is at least a collective being, but, above all, an individual with a desire for dominant. To solve this problem, the first time, failed. We must look, there is no other way to build a justly built society.
        1. Campanella 14 February 2020 10: 35 New
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          All right, you have to look for it. But the basis of communism is, first of all, the “new type” of a person with high moral principles and this is just a plug. Yes, such people meet, but you can’t get the bulk of people with such qualities and are unlikely to succeed. So communism rests on the nature of man and it is necessary to ascertain its impossibility at this stage of civilization. It is possible in the future to learn how to "clear" the brain, but again the question is in whose hands this opportunity will fall. In short, life is a fight forever, a swing, balancing and other joys. Human life consists in movement, therefore the building of communism is a worthy goal, but not attainable as such, and on the way to it people will always have many different nishtyaks. And if suddenly it happens and they build communism, you can move on, for example, along the path of building intergalactic communism ...
          1. Essex62 14 February 2020 13: 09 New
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            It turned out to come close for a short period, developed socialism was built and functioned successfully. Most people accepted the ban on enrichment and thought it was right. Unfortunately, the money-grubber is always active and aggressive, and if not prevented, as Stalin and early Brezhnev did with Suslov, there comes a moment when he, the huckster, wins. Contrary to logic and common sense. Overslept
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              I agree. But they did not screw up the ideological part, they probably thought that the people would not understand. It was necessary to reveal the cards and collectively decide what to do next, and not give up the ideology at the mercy of Gaidar!
              As a result, the people turned out to be disoriented by the Yeltsins, Yakovlev and other abominations.
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                At that time, abandoned grains had already sprouted. Agent Masons, with henchmen cleaned out the carriers of the idea pretty well. There were not many of them left. People who went through the war for socialism did not have real power, due to age. Those few, already with unconscious consciousness, were killed or kicked out during the years of perestroika. The people, weaned from the struggle, could not imagine that the familiar world would collapse instantly. There was no one to slow down the counter. In fact, an attempt to stop them at 93 was doomed to failure. All the security forces of the Moscow region were already theirs. The most important of their "flower" Masons played masterfully ..
  8. rocket757 11 February 2020 07: 26 New
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    The struggle of the proletariat against the class of exploiters is always a struggle.
    The struggle of the new, against the old, is also an eternal struggle.
    The author wrote as he considers it right ... there are inaccuracies and arbitrary assumptions, assumptions, and nothing new.
    Only if he agrees that a new one, claiming such a position, always fights with the former and often this event is not peaceful ... then there is nothing to argue with.
    Of course, it is necessary to turn to history, this is useful, but humanity must move forward and simply return to the old ... nothing special is pleasant that we are observing on our example of our and neighboring countries.
    In short, the event has already occurred. Simple, they will not return back, but it is necessary to move forward, taking into account previous mistakes.
  9. Plantagenet 11 February 2020 07: 30 New
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    “Yes, revolution is a terrible thing,” he said again. “But she is a great force, because the poor have great hatred for the rich ... The revolution is always done for the poor, and the poor suffer from it more than anyone else.”

    Mark Aleksandrovich Aldanov “HOLY ELENA, LITTLE ISLAND”
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      Grandiose thought!)))
  10. bober1982 11 February 2020 07: 33 New
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    When reading an article, it’s very, very messy, about the massacre of the Chinese Communists, and about the French Revolution, and about the Spanish Revolution. I did not read the article to the end, I quit reading.
  11. Lamata 11 February 2020 07: 48 New
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    And in the Russian Federation, the situation is also gradually heating up. And here the leader of the Siberian Cranes, with his initiatives, Yu her an old whore, no matter how the make-up age gets out.
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      And in the Russian Federation, the situation is also gradually heating up. And here the leader of the Siberian Cranes, with his initiatives, Yu her an old whore, no matter how the make-up age gets out.

      I didn’t understand anything. What are you talking about? It was just curious.
      1. Lamata 11 February 2020 08: 00 New
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        December 2019 Putin is satisfied with the DAM government; January is a remainder, a partial government. amendments to the constitution, essentially worthless except the state council, a new snicker on social programs and social payments, the creation of pseudo parties (Prilepin Segal, NOD), Pu's constant lie in his appeals, people are starting to strain.
        1. bober1982 11 February 2020 08: 02 New
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          Look what it turns out, you in the first comment are too floridly expressed.
          1. Lamata 11 February 2020 08: 38 New
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            Morning, weather changes, pressure jumps, objective reasons wink
  12. BAI
    BAI 11 February 2020 08: 38 New
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    In relation to revolutions, the bourgeoisie acts strictly according to the description of S. Maugham: "We all come up with lofty noble motives for our actions, and vile and base to describe the actions of the enemy."
    Here is how the person who is guilty of the death of Ceausescu and his wife describes (by the way, he is now under investigation on charges of murdering the Ceausescu couple):
    A revolution is always an accident. Yes, we were a handful of unknown people, with the exception of five politicians. But revolution is always an illegal process in relation to the existing order. A revolution is a break and break in the sequence, a radical change in the political system. This is not a gallant, but a violent act. A revolution cannot be judged if it has won. We are not jurisdictional! And not a single political process is truly legal. The execution of Ceausescu was an act of revolutionary legality. And even humanity! Could just hang without any tribunal. Everything is simple here: either they are us, or we are them.


    Therefore, all dogs are hung on the Bolsheviks, while the dogs themselves are white and fluffy.

    You may recall that all changes of dynasties (and everywhere) were accompanied by the physical destruction of all representatives of the departed dynasty who could claim the throne (if they could reach them). If there were applicants, long wars for the crown began.
    1. Lamata 11 February 2020 08: 55 New
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      Precisely say, Henry 8, Aglitsky, killed a representative of the (distant) Yorks when she was already over 80. 4o years later (I don’t remember exactly) after the end of the war of the red and white roses.
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      Moreover, they killed not just anybody, but the next of kin! What is called an act of humanism on the face. And these people blame the communists ???
  13. Krasnodar 11 February 2020 09: 10 New
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    But ... is this ... the red commander Tukhachevsky did not suppress the peasant uprising with chemical weapons? )))
    1. Lamata 11 February 2020 09: 38 New
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      Yes, he didn’t seem to use chemistry, and how much use was there for chemistry in the forest.
      1. Krasnodar 11 February 2020 11: 12 New
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        Used - chemical shells.
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          I read another, but I won’t sporbit, I don’t remember the source. Vika is not considered.
    2. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 09: 39 New
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      Tukhachevsky was still noted for the mass executions of the rebellious Kronstadt sailors. Which demanded the execution of one of the slogans of October: "All power - to the Soviets" (and not to the Bolsheviks)
      That really is the enemy of the people.
      1. nikvic46 11 February 2020 16: 29 New
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        Andrew. How cleverly it turns out for you. Tukhachevsky is supposedly an enemy of the people. But he actively participated in the Second World War, like other "enemies of the people." Like a victory, then ours. And as a Soviet system, then is it worthless?
        1. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 16: 35 New
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          Tukhachevsky in World War II could participate only in the form of a ghost. He was recognized as an enemy of the people and executed in 1937.
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          As whom did he take part there? Craving for details.
    3. chenia 11 February 2020 10: 46 New
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      Quote: Krasnodar
      chemical weapons?


      Yes it was. Did you serve in the army? If so, chloropicrin is familiar. Are you alive? And so then, the tied horse suffered.
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        He served in the Israeli - not familiar.
        1. chenia 11 February 2020 11: 32 New
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          They smoked us. Unpleasant, but not fatal. I just really want to leave the affected area. So, this applies to chemical weapons with a big stretch. Although when heated, it seems to turn into phosgene (this is more serious). But will it warm in the forests of the Tambov region?
          1. Krasnodar 11 February 2020 11: 47 New
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            I read only about shells - it turns out, he smoked them from the woods?
      2. AU Ivanov. 11 February 2020 16: 36 New
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        Tukhachevsky against chlorine rebellion did not use chloropicrin, but chlorine. That is lethal OB.
        1. chenia 11 February 2020 17: 04 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          not chloropicrin, but chlorine


          A connoisseur has appeared. There were no shells with chlorine. Only with chloropicrin (it was considered not fatal, but asphyxiating). Chlorine was used from cylinders (in tons).
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      And didn’t they think up concentration camps for lords and peers?
  14. Cowbra 11 February 2020 10: 20 New
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    Funny why the author did not mention the USA? Finally. May Day is generally an anniversary of events in .. U-oops, USA wink In general, I love Liberians to put in a puddle about their democracy. You ask - but which country - the only one in the world in history - used bombers to disperse PEACE protests? Crayfish eyes are very funny ... There are a lot of interesting things. They will start, for example, about the Wagner PMCs to weave fairy tales - you ask them, but how to name gangs with machine guns. in the USA, workers' villages of striking miners who shot from these machine guns? They are not the army, not the police. So - pinkerton, his mother. private security agencies. With machine guns and aircraft ... And they are not at war, but they are shooting unarmed workers ...
  15. Robert 11 February 2020 10: 40 New
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    The answer they received was a bitter lesson, showing the true nature of the king and his regime. Troops opened fire on the unarmed masses, killing hundreds and injuring thousands. It was then that Tsar Nicholas II became known as Nicholas the Bloody.
    He writes an article about capitalism. But the "bloody" king needs to be kicked.
    https://topwar.ru/41937-krovavoe-voskresene-kak-provokaciya-veka.html
    The very same world bourgeoisie has arranged for us all the revolutions.
    As a result, over the 20th century, the Empire was profiled 2 times - the second time as the USSR.
    Is the "bloody" tsar to blame for the collapse of the USSR?
    1. Cowbra 11 February 2020 12: 06 New
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      And 1905 - did the world bourgeoisie also suit us? !!! It was she who drowned the whole fleet for us. handed over Port Arthur with Dalniy, is it just ... half-Sakhalin with the Kuril Islands, or is it her fosterlings like Kuropatkin’s tail and mane, she crippled the Russian army and in the WWI, despite the fact that its unsuitability was already visible in Russian -Japanese?
      Yes, this goat was not enough to kill once!
      1. bober1982 11 February 2020 12: 23 New
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        Yes, this goat was not enough to kill once!

        Kuropatkin was made a scapegoat, if we continue the goat theme. To make such a conclusion as you have done is a very primitive statement.
        The "Bezobrazovskaya" clique, Witte, the governor of Alekseev - these are the true culprits of failure in the war.
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          These can be attached to the causes of war. And to the causes of failure in the war - this is precisely Kuropatkin, Stessel, Witgeft, Christmas, the most revered prince. how was his mother, who GAU had commanded right up to the PMV, without leaving France, as a result of which there weren’t any normal artillery or shells in Port Arthur - what the hell was the capital’s whip of Bezobrazov? Who is the old fart, kicking a fool in France, gave artillery to the mercy? !!! The one who put the battered Kuropatkin in the WWI to command the front, where he was immediately beaten again!
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            His Most Exalted Prince. as his mother, who GAU so commanded right up to the PMV, without leaving France

            Do you mean Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevich Romanov? It seems that there were no other main artillerymen among the most revered princes.
            He was a competent artilleryman, but he is better known as the governor in the Caucasus, the locals, by the way, were very respected there. He died in 1909, in France, during treatment, it is clear that he could not take part in any PMV.
            1. Cowbra 11 February 2020 13: 12 New
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              And, here I have it, literate. He was a wonderful artilleryman ... I tell you exactly. That’s why the Japanese knew how to shoot from closed positions, but the Russians didn’t, they learned from the Japanese during the war, and there was nothing to shoot, and he was competent, yes. Something like Nikolashka is a competent emperor. He knew how to read, yes. It was enough to steer artillery when she stepped forward
              1. bober1982 11 February 2020 13: 17 New
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                Such is life, as the French say.
          2. Sergey S. 11 February 2020 19: 47 New
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            Witgeft, who died a heroic death, does not need to be dirty.
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        You do not answer questions, but only call all the goats, because you are one of them yourself. In your opinion, the head of state himself was supposed to hide there instead of Kuropatkin.
        1905 - did the world bourgeoisie also suit us? !!!

        And who financed Japan?
        Schiff was particularly famous for issuing $ 200 million worth of bonds in favor of Japan during the Russo-Japanese War.

        For Schiff himself, the value of this loan went beyond the scope of a financial transaction. He helped Japan because he hated the tsarist regime for its anti-Semitic policies. Schiff repeatedly refused to participate in loans for the tsarist government and dissuaded other financiers from this. At the same time, he generously assisted Jewish self-defense groups and the victims of the pogroms of 1903–1905. in the Russian Empire.

        https://eleven.co.il/jews-in-world/economy-industry/14843/
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          I don't answer stupid questions. I will make an exception for YOU.
          Quote: Cowbra
          These can be attached to the causes of war. And to the causes of failure in the war - this is exactly Kuropatkin, Stessel, Wittgeft, Rozhdestvensky, the most revered prince. how was his mother, who GAU had commanded right up to the PMV, without leaving France, as a result of which there weren’t any normal artillery or shells in Port Arthur - what the hell was the capital’s whip of Bezobrazov? Who is the old fart, kicking a fool in France, gave artillery to the mercy? !!! The one who put the battered Kuropatkin in the WWI to command the front, where he was immediately beaten again!

          Learned to read? Go to school you
  16. Felix Chuykov 11 February 2020 14: 13 New
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    Soviet power - people's power!

    Selfless, noble
    Soviet power - people's power!
    Not prison, not including
    A free and powerful!
    Glows with the truth, famous for the song
    Our clever and beautiful!
    With a clear look, in a word clear!
    Wayward and beautiful!
    Not involved in hypocrisy,
    Daily, hourly!
    Not a gangster, not clogged
    Not forgotten, famous!
    Not noticeable, not cheeky,
    But the great, epoch-making!
    In every city, in every corner -
    The power of the owner, the power of the hostess!
    Our Motherland is immense!
    From birth we understand!
    Not cruel, patient
    Incorruptible, fair!
    People’s power - free will!
    Both deep and roundabout!
    The will of feat, the will of courage,
    The will of valor and commonwealth!
    People’s power is not twirling,
    Not creeping, not clumsy!
    The power of the people - the call of the neighborhood!
    An echo of wisdom, a time of honesty!

    Felix Chuykov

    January 23 - 24, 2018
  17. depressant 11 February 2020 15: 54 New
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    Okay, as always, I will bring in a bit of the poison.
    Capitalism is now "humane," gentlemen, comrades. Kill dissenters? Yes, and tens of thousands, as the author colorfully described? Fuu ... Necomilfo, you know.
    Look what kind, friendly faces our leadership has - how could you think that?!?
    And now the poison.
    Do you know what a natural population decline is? This is when more dies than is born. So why shoot? It is necessary to make sure that they are not born - humanely, is not it? Especially in those regions of the country that are traditionally for truth and justice, and no matter what they do with them, they stood on that truth and will continue to stand on that justice. For the most part, not accepting the "nishtyaki" of capitalism and giving birth to all the same dissenters.
    Here is a picture of the "natural" population decline for 2019 in thousands of people.
    Leningrad region 27,12
    Moscow region 11,93
    Kaluga 3,31
    Krasnodar Territory 6, 6 (who would have thought!)
    Novosibirsk 2,18
    Republic of Crimea 19,05
    Kaluga 11,56
    Belgorod 16,52
    Voronezh 35,1
    Sverdlovsk 12,87
    Chelyabinsk 14,17
    Samara 23,41
    Yaroslavskaya 17,01
    Lipetsk 15,31
    Kursk 19,3
    Nizhny Novgorod 40,76
    Ryazan 18,34
    Etc.
    Kamchatka and the Far East.
    Regions of the traditional settlement of Russian people. I won’t give regions with favorable population growth figures - guess for yourself ...
    So, where are the fans of the past - small children against the current level of villainy, pulling on itself the mask of capitalist virtue.
    In addition, with the help of numerous methods of zombies, villainy defames the population, leading it not to the general conclusion "Who is to blame and what to do?" , and in each particular case - to a guilty verdict in respect of minor particular circumstances without moving the questioning look up to where the capitalist gods settled and conduct my, yours and others - in the high heights above the clouds. They create without seeing us. Only by distinguishing from above a certain general dark human mass as an object of their imperious creativity. And then it suddenly turned out that the object was melting like Antarctic ice, thereby depriving the gods of the opportunity to exercise their power.
    They got it, so what? They sounded the alarm, and then? What besides sounding the alarm?
    Never mind! They will continue to steal, saturating bottomless pockets. And we will not, so robots are on the way. Here it’s even easier - he pulled out batteries, and the very high humanism of mass murder steers!
    1. Reptiloid 11 February 2020 18: 59 New
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      And it has long been reminiscent of an invisible stranglehold on the neck. Only here are the results ---- population decline.
      They strangled it with medicine reform, then with grocery prices, then housing and communal services .. then the school destroyed, then the hospital collapsing .. then the closure of the enterprise ..... like this, a little here, here .... good evening, Lyudmila hi
    2. wolf20032 12 February 2020 08: 16 New
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      It’s not very clear, if the Russians don’t want to give birth, then what does the government have to do with it?
      1. Revival 13 February 2020 09: 57 New
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        Do you have a reason the consequence is not present in thought?
        Or do you think they just suddenly decided not to give birth to dope and that’s it?
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          Funny boorish eccentric - and why the Germans do not give birth? What about the French? What about the Italians? The birth rate there is even lower. Is the authorities there to blame too? And why breed like wild African tribes like rabbits? There are no authorities there, in the understanding of the white man.
  18. NF68 11 February 2020 15: 59 New
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    Get up, Ilyich, the bourgeois are insolent.
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      No, Nikolai. Here Vissarionitch is already needed! With Lavrenty Palych ...
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        No, Nikolai. Here Vissarionitch is already needed! With Lavrenty Palych ...


        These will overdo it again. Then another lover of corn will come again and everything will go according to the same scenario.
  19. Tomich3 11 February 2020 16: 00 New
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    What is the meaning of this opus? All this can be read in any Soviet history textbook. .
  20. nikvic46 11 February 2020 16: 41 New
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    Recently I read the post “There are more homeless people in the United States than in Russia.” I joked that they have capitalism and we have semi-capitalism. But seriously, I don’t know which social system our country belongs to. Some say it’s protracted NEP. Realtors. they are also businessmen to some extent. And innocent people find themselves on the street. We do not have capitalism yet. In general, this system always goes hand in hand with nationalism. We need to find the enemy so that the people do not squeak. We have not yet come to this.
  21. parusnik 11 February 2020 18: 13 New
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    The October Revolution put an end to capitalism and landlordism, it removed the hated tsarist regime from power
    ... It’s not true, the tsarist regime, they loved it to tears ... only when the kings were in Russia, the nights were delightful, to the crunch of the French rolls and Schulbert waltzes ... And now they are more and more delightful every day ... smile
    1. Reptiloid 11 February 2020 18: 48 New
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      Loved, loved, but somehow not really, somehow not quite. Well crunched a bun and what? They really wanted more! You won’t be full of Schubert waltz! Crews, diamonds, on the water, to Paris, cruises ...... And so it became FEBRUARY 1917. And congratulations came from the Hierarchs of the Church.
      Quote: parusnik
      ....... It’s not true, the tsarist regime, they loved to tears ... only when the kings were in Russia, the nights were delightful, to the crunch of the French buns and Schulbert waltzes ... And now they are more delightful and delightful every day ... smile
      1. depressant 11 February 2020 19: 10 New
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        By the way, yes.
        It seems that we can’t decide on the political system. For example, the annual ball, which is held in the building of the Gostiny Dvor. The daughters and sons of the "noble" people of Russia are gathering. I don’t know how guys prepare for the ball, but the girls order luxurious ball gowns, jewelry, and all the young people learn mazurkas and waltzes. Last year, the daughter of Minister Novak shone at the ball, the tabloids were torn with rapture. And so we live in parallel worlds. They do not know anything about us, we about them. Sometimes I think: in what historical time do they live? And in what are we? Some of us are reproached that we live in the past, but then they, not coming into awareness of reality, - the year before.
        1. Reptiloid 11 February 2020 19: 42 New
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          They live in a time in which they are comfortable and in which it is possible to consolidate and preserve their privileges.
          The rest is in the time that gives hope.
          Thus, the tendency to break is visible.
          And again, thoughts about who to consider the majority? The human mass or capital?
          1. depressant 11 February 2020 21: 08 New
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            And one more consideration about the "humanity" of our brutal capitalism in comparison with the savagery of the past.
            Yesterday, glancing over the headlines, I discovered a business called Network. I decided that about trade. It turned out - just something! Student boys played paintball and scratched their tongues about the situation in the country, as all citizens of the Russian Federation do now, evaluating this very situation depending on their own knowledge, level of intelligence and knowledge of profanity. And for this - 18 years in prison?!? And the smallest - 6 years? Despite the fact that the terrorist corpus delicti was not detected. Just for a youthful talk. Without taking into account that the one who did not flaunt seditious language, he was not young.
            But then it turns out that if the sentence is upheld (the tsar, who was informed about it, will not have mercy on the youths), then the discontented crowd that has thrown out onto the street, shouting anti-government slogans, will be simply shot? As in the examples cited by the author? And so that the crowd did not fall out, we were all shown that if they give 18 years for the chatter, they will certainly shoot, and do not hesitate. Should I think so? Should I think that the Network case is a warning for reasons of “capitalist humanism”?
            Novocherkassk -2. How, how, remember. And do not forget who gave the order.
            Or maybe it’s easier to do? For example, competently govern the country. But I probably want too much.
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              about the "humanity" of our brutal capitalism

              Capitalism has nothing to do with it. All power in content is democracy, but in essence power is dictatorship. Every dictatorship is only worth something (and in its own eyes) when it is capable of protecting itself. Democracy is never abstract. The mode of implementation of democracy depends on the situation. Pinochetism, Francoism is also a "democracy." No need to experience illusions about this. This may have negative consequences.
            2. Campanella 13 February 2020 00: 33 New
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              This is a terrible fact. Actually, nothing good can be expected from a person who erected a monument to Yeltsin who cannot destroy a country. Russian "stability" is increasingly taking on the silhouette of a cemetery, where there is no life for people, but for worms and parasites expanse.
              1. Essex62 14 February 2020 16: 20 New
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                Everything is so. Only the EBN built their country, and for that there is a monument to him. And in all areas work with youth. Passed by the complex of buildings of the Moscow Cadet Corps today and pricked, but why is there a church, what is being suggested to future officers ...
          2. iouris 11 February 2020 22: 10 New
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            Quote: Reptiloid
            whom to consider the majority?

            This is an incorrect statement of the problem. Most do not rule anywhere. Power is seized by a political party, which is the vanguard of the ruling class. The party is led by the party oligarchy. She, as a rule, is deeply hiding.
            1. depressant 11 February 2020 22: 58 New
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              A colleague, if the government, and somehow it’s indifferent to its self-name - democracy, dictatorship, etc., can only protect itself from those it controls, but it does not know how to adequately manage the economy, then its price is worthless on a market day. This is despite the fact that I am fully aware of the external threat to our country, which is gradually growing and, as it were, should lock the internal mouths, widely decapitated in sedition, with a lock. But pushing children for inconceivable periods, and even into the strict regime zone, the government itself undermines the country's ability to defend itself, and therefore, to protect it itself, that is, power. What is it counting on? What if necessary, we Russians will rise? Undermining our patriotic spirit with unreasonable cruelty to our
              to children? Moreover, a few minutes ago on the Internet I was able to find out that this is the same provocative story as with the girls from the "New Greatness" - how embarrassing adult FSB uncles are! Scent lost? The qualification is not what to take in the development of adults? Or if you grab it, then anyone from the street - everyone is dissatisfied! Gibble-eating Liberals! But the grant-eaters, apparently, have a powerful legal defense, the provocation will not work there, as with children.
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                I can comment on a specific case, but based on the general situation and the logic of the work of "bodies" (special services), everything is logical ("the fact that you are still at large is not your merit, but our shortcoming"). If this is the case, then the "grant-eaters" are apparently a class-related element (who will make it look like?)
              2. Campanella 13 February 2020 00: 53 New
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                I absolutely agree that the current government is pushing Russia to the abyss. And here it will not help, neither the army, nor zircons or other crap. The patriotism of a poor life has never saved anyone. Inefficiency, lack of spirituality, faith in a golden calf will kill Russia. Russia is a conciliar country and
                if collegiality is taken away from her, then she will inevitably die. All young people can be imprisoned, but what should happen does not stop.
                By creating oligarchic capitalism, Putin launched a countdown to the existence of Russia.
        2. iouris 12 February 2020 11: 34 New
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          It seems that we can’t decide on the political system.

          The political system exists objectively. It is a superstructure over the “basis”, and the “basis” is the relations of ownership of the means of production and appropriation of the results of social labor. If this is not a communist formation, then .... That's right.
  22. wolf20032 12 February 2020 08: 07 New
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    I read it and was straightforwardly inspired by unwashed hands, proletarian socks and a newspaper, the truth.
    1. iouris 12 February 2020 11: 35 New
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      "Only the loafer doesn't smell in any way." (J. Rodari)
  23. Radikal 13 February 2020 15: 13 New
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    Quote: Durman_54
    I especially liked this:
    "about three thousand people died at the hands of the Nazis in two years."
    The figure is terrible, I do not argue. But certainly not commies, who executed 600 thousand people only during the years of great terror, have the right to say something there about the number of deaths.

    The anti-communism that you demonstrate here always ends with fascism - history has proved it clearly, especially in the prewar years in Europe, and during World War II itself. sad
    1. Durman_54 15 February 2020 18: 24 New
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      All these isisms are varieties of the same.
      As a result, it all comes down to the search for enemies of either a nation or a people. Which are determined by the Politburo or some Party Office.
  24. Radikal 13 February 2020 16: 30 New
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    Quote: Dead Day
    socialism, we have already successfully profiled
    But socialism in the form of social democracy won in Europe.

    Social democracy has nothing to do with socialism, learn the primary sources! lol
  25. Radikal 13 February 2020 16: 32 New
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    Quote: wolf20032
    I read it and was straightforwardly inspired by unwashed hands, proletarian socks and a newspaper, the truth.

    I read you - and it was inspired by Goebbels, Hitler and the rest of the characters of the 3rd Reich! sad
  26. Radikal 13 February 2020 16: 34 New
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    Quote: Campanella
    I absolutely agree that the current government is pushing Russia to the abyss. And here it will not help, neither the army, nor zircons or other crap. The patriotism of a poor life has never saved anyone. Inefficiency, lack of spirituality, faith in a golden calf will kill Russia. Russia is a conciliar country and
    if collegiality is taken away from her, then she will inevitably die. All young people can be imprisoned, but what should happen does not stop.
    By creating oligarchic capitalism, Putin launched a countdown to the existence of Russia.

    yes yes yes hi Respect!
  27. Radikal 13 February 2020 16: 38 New
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    The truth is that if the October Revolution did not take place, the revolutionary workers, peasants and soldiers would be drowned in blood. In late August - early September 1917, General Kornilov gathered his troops in the vicinity of Petrograd. He prepared his so-called wild division, experienced fighters from the Caucasus, to enter the city and drown the revolution in blood.
    As for the "experienced fighters from the Caucasus," nothing reminds anyone of our current reality? winked
  28. Erik 15 February 2020 09: 32 New
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    "The standard of living of people" increased, the growth of the economy in the USSR during the period of "stagnation" most likely exceeded the growth of the Russian economy. In 1985, the decline in living standards was organized artificially under the "goals of perestroika." Nobody will give you a “live peacefully": too many resources are laid in this generally barren territory that connects the West and the East.

    What do you explain to him? This is a bot, a witness of the "Nanorukh"! They have such a job here, put cons and drown for capital.
  29. Radikal 15 February 2020 19: 19 New
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    All these isisms are varieties of the same.
    As a result, it all comes down to the search for enemies of either a nation or a people. Which are determined by the Politburo or some Party Office.

    Pure Goebbels demagogy .... sad