Does Ukraine Need Russia: Reflections on Intra-Ukrainian Stratification


Personnel changes in the Kremlin, in particular, the appointment of Dmitry Kozak to the post of deputy head of the presidential administration of Russia, implying that he will henceforth play the first violin in matters of resolving the situation in the Donbass, has already generated a lot of versions and even speculation. Like, remembering what options this politician offered to resolve the crisis in Transnistria, one should expect from him "efforts to federalize Ukraine" using the DPR and LPR as a "Trojan horse to strengthen Russia's influence." It is said strongly. But how similar do these versions correspond to the intentions and interests regarding the “non-fallow” not even of a specific Mr. Kozak, but of the Russian Federation as a whole?


It should be noted that the “reflections” quoted above are posted on the official website of the European Council on Foreign Affairs and belong to one of its employees, Gustav Gressel. Of course, it is more visible from Europe ... In fact, even if we assume that Moscow has some far-reaching plans to return Ukraine to its zone of influence, it should be recognized that there is a very big problem with this. Its roots do not lie in the East “unbroken”, but precisely in its West, and there is no way to solve the issue here by any “federalization”, “decentralization” and similar methods.

As a matter of fact, people who are sober-minded and not afraid to call a spade a spade have long since expressed their thoughts that a bizarre conglomerate created by the USSR authorities from 1917 to 1991 and subsequently received the status of the “state of Ukraine” cannot be considered close to homogeneous. There were territories in it that either a madman or a completely unscrupulous liar could call Ukrainian: it is, of course, about the Crimea and the lands that Kiev is eager to “reintegrate” today, uprooting “Russianness” there with fire and sword. There are regions which, some with greater foundations, others with less, can be called Ukraine itself. Once upon a time no one would have thought of attributing, for example, Kharkov or Odessa, but here you go - Maidan ideology managed to gain a foothold even there.

And finally, there is that part of the country which, being for centuries the most backward in industrial, infrastructural, economic terms, today is, as it were, a standard, a model of "Ukrainianness", imposing on all other compatriots their own view of the world and their "values", cultural , historical and primarily political. Already here the intra-Ukrainian stratification can be traced. And do not object - the election of the president of the native of Krivoy Rog Zelensky this thesis is not something that does not refute, but confirms exactly 100%. Listen to his words, look at his affairs - and you will understand that I am right. Russophobia, anti-Soviet, kholuy worship of the West, exaltation of the Nazi henchmen and raising to the rank of "national heroes" of persons worthy of perhaps only a polyphonic and eternal damnation - all this originates from there.

This is primarily about Galicia (Lviv region), which stands out even against the background of its neighbors with extreme conceit, reaching the messianic complex, absolute intolerance and utter assertiveness in achieving one's own goals and objectives. Believe it or not, but with the so-called zapadentsev relations are far from ideal, even among neighbors from other Ukrainian regions. Nevertheless, it was precisely this tiny piece of the country, which did not have a common history or a common faith with it, in 1991 proclaimed itself a measure, the ideal of “all Ukrainian”. She declared all the rest either “Muscovites” or “sellers” of such and began to impose a “standard model” on the people, exceeding the population of this “Ukrainian Piedmont”, as they call themselves, tens and hundreds of times.

In time, this muddy "fountain" was not shut up. It could not be otherwise, given the fact that the first president of the country was a lover of “shoes” Leonid Kravchuk. And then “strong business executives”, from Dnepropetrovsk and from Donetsk, enthusiastically “sawing” the remnants of the Ukrainian economy, they preferred to give away to the throaty Westerners tribe such, in their opinion, unprofitable, boring and unimportant things like culture and ideology. How it all ended, we all know. Of the events of 2004 in 2010-2013, neither the conclusions nor the lessons were learned. Weapon and the militants who finally turned Euromaidan into a massacre and a coup d'état arrived in Kiev in February 2014 from Lviv ...

Any attempt to turn what is now called Ukraine into some kind of normal country with which Russia can again coexist is a priori doomed if Galichina remains in its composition. It's like trying to cure gangrene at an extremely advanced stage without surgery. The accession of these areas to the USSR was perhaps a mistake. A mistake that sooner or later will have to be corrected in one way or another. And it doesn’t matter whether they join the coveted Europe, becoming the voivodships of Poland (which they don’t even mind at all), part of any other EU countries or continue to exist as a separate “power”, the main national assets of which will be the monuments to Bandera and Shukhevych .
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  1. DMB 75 10 February 2020 07: 04 New
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    Such Ukraine is not needed.
    1. Same lech 10 February 2020 07: 12 New
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      Modern Ukraine now reminds me of an open abscess ... all the worst that it has now climbed out and now exudes a putrid odor ... maybe it's for the best that you don’t have to bother.
      1. tihonmarine 10 February 2020 08: 40 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        Modern Ukraine now reminds me of an open abscess ..

        The abscess was opened, but they forgot to disinfect.
        1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 09: 34 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          The abscess was opened, but they forgot to disinfect.

          And it infects the whole body more and more
          1. tihonmarine 10 February 2020 10: 30 New
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            And it infects the whole body more and more

            Gangrene, death (if the surgeon does not intervene).
            1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 11: 20 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              Gangrene, death (if the surgeon does not intervene).

              Late to intervene.
              Better death
              1. AnpeL 10 February 2020 12: 09 New
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                But I do not agree with the author. In which case, do not give the territory to anyone. We do not have excess territory, but there is also no serfdom, who specifically disagrees with our rules, or disagrees, can completely move to permanent residence in another country, where he will be loved, respected and carried on his hands. This applies to absolutely all lands in the West and in the East and in the North Caucasus and in space, too.
                1. Sergej1972 13 February 2020 09: 46 New
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                  Also, Ukrainian Natsik reason about Donbass. One to one.
          2. Olgovich 10 February 2020 11: 16 New
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            And it infects the whole body more and more

            Therefore, from the so-called "Ukraine" should cut off Russians Novorossia and Slobozhanshchina, and let the rest die out / survive as they please
            1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 11: 39 New
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              Quote: Olgovich

              Therefore, from the so-called "Ukraine" should be cut off Russian Novorossiya and Slobozhanshchin

              Almost cut off.
              1. bayard 10 February 2020 17: 31 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                Almost cut off.

                And what actually cut off?
                Crimea ?
                So he never was Ukraine.
                Donbass?
                And what part of it was cut off?
                I would even ask which of his voted part, part?
                These are the bits of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions that managed to fight back not without the help of Russia?
                But Donbass is not even the complete Donetsk and Lugansk regions, but also a considerable part of the Dnepropetrovsk region (the city of Pavlograd was historically the capital of the Western Donbass).
                And this is only about the Donbass, besides which at least ALL of the Left Bank are historically Russian lands - New Russia. And historically the Russian population (except for a small fraction of those who came from Galicia over the past 30 years, but the historically perpendicular "people of God", of whom there are a great many, but in absolute numbers - an absolute minority).
                Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Zaporozhye, Ekaterinoslav (Dnepropetrovsk), Kharkov ... Is THIS Ukraine? !!! When did this historical New Russia manage to become her ?!
                If all the toponymy is Russian there, all the settlements were founded by immigrants from indigenous Russia, even in the villages of tradition the families are kept, that some of the ancestors were removed from Oryol, some from the Kursk province, and some from Moscow (Novomoskovsk) ...
                Is that now to help Soros and Co. will we deny our half-hearted ?! To the joy of the brutal Austrian Galicia ?!
                And Kiev is the mother of Russian cities ?! Yes, there until 1991 there was no Ukrainian speech, except perhaps from the visitors from the bazaar, and even that was SURZHIK (the South Russian dialect is still spoken in the Kuban to this day), and not this gibberish, what kind of "Ukrainian language" is now it stands out - an absolutely artificial creation ... of the Dnepropetrovsk Philharmonic and Lviv Jews ("one old Jew who worked under the Lvov radio as an announcer even under Stalin") back in 1992. Then the Dnepropetrovsk Philharmonic Society released a self-taught Ukrainian language ("because we now have a country, but NO language. We need to learn!") - sets of 10 vinyl disks ... And now - for 28 years they grew up first - announcers (who were very funny at first) people with their neo-pangs), then kids from elementary grades, then gradually and universities transferred to this gibberish !!! Now WHAT!? Recognize this nonsense and hutspu for historical "truth" ?!
                Give them people to eat?
                Recognize their right to own not only our land, the heritage of our ancestors, the industry (created by the forces of ALL the Country), the infrastructure, military equipment and weapons of the Soviet (not Ukrainian) Army, but also the very souls of our blood brothers and sisters, who were held hostage by these great-grandchildren Bandera ?!
                Is it not fat for the Galician servants? Even if they now found themselves a master of overseas?
                Can leave them a reservation in the vicinity of Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk? Having previously disarmed and sent there ALL ALL who previously crawled through Little and New Russia? All to one! All carriers of "Ukrainian identity"! Having previously given to the court of the People’s Tribunal all those who shed blood, fought against the people of Donbass, volunteered, ALL “fighters of the ideological front”.
                Don't you find the time to scatter stones has passed?
                Now is the time to collect the stones.
                And build from them a new common house on his father’s land.
                simply because it is OUR LAND.
                She even over the past 6 years has so abundantly watered the blood of OUR people, in the struggle for the right to LIVE ON THE EARTH OF THE FATHER according to her own rules, that if you betray this blood ... the coals will fall on the heads of traitors.

                From Donetsk with love.
          3. Krasnoyarsk 10 February 2020 11: 37 New
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: tihonmarine
            The abscess was opened, but they forgot to disinfect.

            And it infects the whole body more and more

            If we approach this issue from a medical point of view, then you will agree that we will not draw the right conclusions.
            What is Ukraine? This is, first of all, the state. What is the state? These are: territory, borders, state. institutions (army, police, courts, etc., etc.), PEOPLE and AUTHORITIES.
            Considering that the territory of present-day Ukraine is primordially Russian lands (look at Israel, the states of Israel have not stood there for more than 2 millennia, but no, they returned and founded the state. They say that this is our primordial land.) should these lands be given to the West?
            People. What does the people of Ukraine want? Peace and tranquility. Who is bothering? Power! So who is our enemy? The people or the Ukrainian government? With whom should we fight with Ukraine or with the Ukrainian government? Having abandoned Ukraine, we will abandon the territory, originally ours, and from the people friendly to us. And this is to please the authorities of Ukraine and the West. And thus we will satisfy their desires. On whose mill water pouring gentlemen Voshniki?
            We need Ukraine !!! The ideal option - as part of Russia on the rights, for example, as Tatarstan.
            No, it means a separate, strong, independent, friendly Russia state.
            What have we done to make this happen? - Nothing !!!
            1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 11: 41 New
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              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              a friendly Russian state.

              But this will never happen
              What have we done to make this happen? - Nothing !!!

              If the patient does not want to be treated, not one doctor will cure him
              1. atos_kin 10 February 2020 11: 57 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                If the patient does not want to be treated, not one doctor will cure him

                Moreover, if the "doctor" is the same patient, infected with the same bacillus.
              2. Krasnoyarsk 10 February 2020 12: 32 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                But this will never happen

                I also lived with confidence that the USSR was eternal. How wrong I was.
                Quote: Lipchanin
                If the patient does not want to be treated, not one doctor will cure him

                And who tried? To aggravate the disease, here - yes. You’ll even get tired of listing workers in this field. But to treat something is not visible.
                And you immediately with the conclusions - never will be ..., do not want to be treated. What kind of defeatist mood? It must be so - we are Pskoskie, we will break through. Like ours and fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers.
                1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 12: 40 New
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                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk

                  I also lived with confidence that the USSR was eternal. How wrong I was.

                  A generation has grown up which already from the cradle hates Russia and Russians.
                  They will raise their children as well.
                  Even if this generation begins to heal immediately, we still will not see results
                  You know, I'm sorry, but I do not want to talk about this under-state.
                  After they practically took the remains of Hero of the Soviet Union N.I. Kuznetsov hostage, for me THIS ceased to exist.
                  And I really regret that I started to leave comments on this thread
                  Sorry again hi
                  1. Krasnoyarsk 10 February 2020 12: 51 New
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                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    And I really regret that I started to leave comments on this thread

                    Get out of your head. For example, it is important for me to know the opinion of any person on the issue under discussion. You never know what I agree with or disagree with. It happens that I correct my opinion thanks to the opinion of others. This is the meaning of communication, exchange of views. Well, if the opinion is based on knowledge, and not on emotions and ambitions. Know-it-alls and everyone who understands is not in nature. We learn from each other and this is wonderful.
                    Best regards hi
                    1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 12: 58 New
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                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      For example, it is important for me to know the opinion of any person on the issue under discussion. You never know what I agree with or disagree with. It happens that I correct my opinion thanks to the opinion of others.

                      Similarly. But I only meant this topic.
                      Best regards laughing
                  2. brat07 11 February 2020 03: 11 New
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                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk

                    I also lived with confidence that the USSR was eternal. How wrong I was.
                    A generation has grown up which already from the cradle hates Russia and Russians.

                    They will raise their children as well.
                    Even if this generation begins to heal immediately, we still will not see results
                    You know, I'm sorry, but I do not want to talk about this under-state.
                    After they practically took the remains of Hero of the Soviet Union N.I. Kuznetsov hostage, for me THIS ceased to exist.
                    And I really regret that I started to leave comments on this thread
                    Sorry again hi

                    And you did not forget Nazi Germany?
                    1933 - 1945
                    And there, after all, almost one generation grew up on this ideology.
                    And what is needed for this, so that these sprouts of "terry nationalism" no longer grow?
                    That's right - denazification!
                    Painfully? Yes!
                    And where to go?
                    The Germans somehow recovered.
                    Not until the end of course.
                    And you immediately -
                    A generation has grown up which already from the cradle hates Russia and Russians.
                  3. Alexey LK 13 February 2020 07: 22 New
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                    A generation has grown up which already from the cradle hates Russia and Russians.

                    Yes and no.
                    Yes, because the information space is captured by Russophobes, and citizens who live exclusively with their own heads and also raise their children, without a TV, in any society and at all times are an absolute minority.
                    No - because it’s temporary (this can be seen even by the way they “play” in this field - purely like temporary workers). In addition, we must not forget that although the young generation hears bad news about Russia and Russians from the cradle, this dish is cooked unprofessionally (like everything they do), and therefore often cause the opposite effect. In addition, the new generation is the Internet generation, and the Internet is so much more powerful than Ukrnet, simply because of its scale, quality, etc., that a very strong dissonance is created between what they say and what it feels in the reality". And most importantly, the new generation does not remember the Soviet era, and therefore it does not remember exactly the everyday negativity that was characteristic of the 1980s, and therefore again it’s more difficult for young people to convince that “the USSR was bad” - especially against the background of the fact that it learns about the achievements of industry, science, and even sports, during the Soviet era. And especially against the background of the current "management results" of modern Ukraine. A person who learns that the USSR in 1991 was in the top 10, and even the top 5 countries in high-tech production, scientific achievements, industry, the power of the armed forces, etc., and sees that almost the cesspool, into which the country has rolled now, quite naturally certain questions and suspicions arise ...
                    Apparently, Ukraine will still have to fall apart, just to somehow get the prospect of survival at the level of just the people. The authorities are already frankly robbing critical things, not even trying to privatize at least the property - just the cogs - the same railway ... It seems that there has long been a consensus among Ukrainian oligarchs that the current president is the last ...
                    What parts and to whom will they go? This is a question! But it’s obvious that the West has always perceived Ukraine as a fragment of the former empire that needs to be “finished off” (but not openly, but in fact, pursuing an insidious policy), and not as a separate country from which a promising ally could be obtained (such as Poland). Those. it turns out that the West (primarily the USA), as it were, agrees in advance that it will not “digest” Ukraine like Poland, and is ready for Russia to pick up this fragment (most of it) in the future, but will all in order to increase in the future for Russia the price of restoring the territory of Ukraine to a more or less adequate state. Something like this. This is similar to retreat tactics, leaving the enemy scorched earth. Because if there were serious intentions to help Ukraine "stand on its own feet" as a state, then this could already have been done very long ago and very effectively.
                    By the way, I do not exclude the possibility that the collapse of the remaining Ukraine will begin just with the separation of Galicia. In Europe, there are a lot of Ukrainians who earn money, and as soon as a more or less acute crisis sets in there, many will have to return (and a lot more people left Western Ukraine as a percentage). Where to return? Even half of the work, even for half, may not be enough ... And then it may turn out that they will see a way out of the rest of Ukraine with the aim of joining Europe "at least a small part" - and it is very likely that the EU will sing "because the "buffer" at the same time moves further east from the borders of Poland and Hungary ...
              3. bayard 10 February 2020 17: 43 New
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                If a violently crazy person seizes power in a house, rushes with a cleaver, cuts, beats his roommates ... him, excuse me ... what?
                To persuade?
                To convince?
                Or rest?
                By applying the highest measure of social protection!?
                And the hostages should be freed and allowed to recover from this nightmare.
            2. Sergey Averchenkov 10 February 2020 13: 21 New
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              Do you still believe in the tale of good people and bad rulers? I sympathize with you ...
              1. itarnmag 10 February 2020 15: 27 New
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                Every nation has the rulers it deserves
                1. Sergey Averchenkov 10 February 2020 15: 36 New
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                  I absolutely agree with you. You know, there is a struggle between Russia and the USA - all the other mongrels.
              2. Krasnoyarsk 10 February 2020 16: 20 New
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                Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                Do you still believe in the tale of good people and bad rulers? I sympathize with you ...

                There are no good or bad nations. A people is what its rulers are.
                And if you do not understand this simple truth, then I sympathize with you.
                1. Sergey Averchenkov 10 February 2020 16: 42 New
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                  You know, I have many defendants ... But I will answer you, simply because you live in the same city with me. You are right about your reasoning. Now just imagine, you were called up to the draft board and set to follow me ... Will you do this?
                  1. Krasnoyarsk 10 February 2020 19: 58 New
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                    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                    Now just imagine, you were called up to the draft board and set to follow me ... Will you do this?

                    This is a strange question. I do not like stupid assumptions. The military registration and enlistment office is not that organization in the field of activity of which surveillance is included. But, if suddenly, another organization will offer me this "job", then I will most likely refuse. I will not have a guarantee that you are an enemy of the state. And if you are the enemy of only the governor, then I will surely refuse. I did not understand the purpose of your question. But he answered as I think.
        2. antivirus 10 February 2020 15: 06 New
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          the weakness of the Russian Federation directs the efforts of all neighbors on us.
          chop off a piece, including in ideology and "who is to blame" is possible only from Russia, not from the EU and Africa-Asia - there Americans and others graze
          there is also the Arctic and Antarctic, they will soon begin to talk about the "World Heritage of the Poles"
    2. Grandfather 10 February 2020 07: 18 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      Such Ukraine is not needed.

      we, such, do not need each other.
      1. Well said, Grandfather Old: "... we ... are not needed" ... The country of Russia - Great Russia certainly needs Ukraine - Little Russia. As part of the whole This is our Russian World! But the state that now operates on the territory of Russia, the author of the comment calls it - "RK" ("Capitalist Russia"), it is not able to Russia either. It led Russia into a “historical impasse”, into some “impassable quagmire”. What about n about can give Russian or Ukrainians living in Ukraine? What has it given to Russians in Russia over the past 30 years? ...
        It is year after year that it forces Russians and other nations to pay tribute to America in the form of a predatory exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar ... More than 60 rubles for the "green candy wrapper" ... Does everyone know and remember the occupational mark to the ruble exchange rate? One mark of the Third Reich in 1941 amounted to 10 Soviet rubles. TOTAL 10 rubles!
        What changed after 1995, when Clinton said his famous words: "... we got a raw materials appendage, a state not destroyed by an atom ..."?
        RK is a worthless, limp and wingless state. What did it give to New Russia? For FIVE YEARS (!) It was possible to build first-class roads, open closed and build new mines, machine-building factories, start up metallurgical plants at full capacity ... "Zarobitchites" could come from the territory of Ukraine, Moldova ... None of this. Year after year, Novorossia falls lower and lower, turning into a depressive russia and outback. Poverty salaries (in fact - benefits), unemployment, a meager pension, prostitution, disoriented youth, for whom the mat, and not Russian or Ukrainian, has become a "ridiculous language." Almost daily - “two hundredths” and “three hundredths” on the “contact line”. Only globalists and their accomplices on both sides of the “line” can be happy with what is happening.
        Right Grandpa Old. "We SUCH don't need each other"
    3. Svarog 10 February 2020 07: 19 New
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      Of course, Ukraine is needed, like Belarus .. But this, if Russia has ambitions and plans, will again become an empire. And if there is no such goal, then it is sad for Russia itself and especially for Ukraine and Belarus .. Otherwise, Ukraine will be sent to fight with us ..
      1. Same lech 10 February 2020 07: 28 New
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        But this, if Russia has ambitions and plans, will again become an empire.


        How do you imagine that?
        Both Ukraine and Belarus are interested in Russia as long as it gives its natural and financial resources for free ... as soon as this trickle has withered, the friendship has ended, and all their interest in us. what
        1. 210ox 10 February 2020 08: 31 New
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          Is it really interesting for ordinary people living in our countries? These things are interesting only to those who hold power and are especially stubborn.
          1. Den717 10 February 2020 09: 18 New
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            Quote: 210ox
            Is it really interesting for ordinary people living in our countries? These things are interesting only to those who hold power and are especially stubborn.

            And what, ordinary citizens should be interested only in the ass in the heat, eat fat and drink sweet with a trip to the Maldives? Maybe yes to you. I need something more, partly ephemeral, such as respect in the world, a sense of equality of all before the law of the world, and not only.
            1. 210ox 10 February 2020 09: 35 New
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              Did you get to the bottom of the comment? I think not. And about the respect (though fear) in the world, I agree. By the way, I have never been over the hill. What are the Maldives ?!
              1. Den717 10 February 2020 13: 26 New
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                Quote: 210ox
                Did you get to the bottom of the comment?

                In your comment, there is a doubt that the common people of our countries (that is, Russia too) should be interested in the mercantilization of relations between our countries. I think that there is a part of the people in Russia, Belarus and Ukraine who are interested in creating an empire in which all three countries will be components without dividing into metropolises and protectorates. It’s just a big country, into which Belarus and Ukraine could enter on the same rights as Tatarstan, for example. True, this is what the collective West wants to deprive us of. I think, also, that a fairly large part of the people with authority, in this sense, I wish about the same. It is not true that a simple person is necessarily a patriot of his country, and a high-level official or leader is necessarily a traitor and slave to his stomach. The world is much more complicated than such a simplified division into good and bad.
                1. revnagan 10 February 2020 13: 50 New
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                  Quote: Den717
                  It’s just a big country, into which Belarus and Ukraine could enter on the same rights as Tatarstan, for example.

                  And Russia in this country will also be on the rights of Tatarstan?
                  1. Den717 10 February 2020 14: 13 New
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                    And Russia in this country will also be on the rights of Tatarstan?

                    Russia is on the rights of the Russian Federation. All the rest are subjects of this federation.
                    1. revnagan 10 February 2020 21: 15 New
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                      Quote: Den717
                      All the rest are subjects of this federation.

                      Hence the problems with the integration of Belarus .... And with all the others. And if by default Russia remains the same oligarchy, bureaucracy, pension and other reforms, then .... no .
                2. 210ox 10 February 2020 20: 16 New
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                  Just the opposite. By and large, our peoples do not care how and how much Russia gives (contains). Even if our leaders had not given them, then in our pockets there would have been no more. The system is not the same.
                  1. Den717 11 February 2020 06: 55 New
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                    Quote: 210ox
                    Just the opposite. By and large, our peoples do not care how and how much Russia gives (contains). Even if our leaders had not given them, then in our pockets there would have been no more. The system is not the same.

                    For 20 years of the union state, Russia has directly and indirectly injected more than $ 133 billion into the economy of Belarus. This infusion (almost 10% of the GDP of Belarus) is based on the system of supporting social standards of the country. Is the system wrong? And what is that? Where is that system? The state, instead of its development programs within the country, finances another country, and without even having symbolic support for political issues. You write about the "spit" because you probably forgot what a sequestration of social programs is. Remember the 90s, when pensions, benefits and salaries of state employees were delayed for several months. Like the miners, the "humpback bridge" in Moscow helmets straightened. Today all this is gone and forgotten. It's a pity. Do you see “cuts” everywhere? Yes, I would like to correct a lot, but we cannot help but see the difference between the present day and the times even of the early 2000s.
        2. Arlen 10 February 2020 08: 41 New
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          Quote: The same Lech
          Both Ukraine and Belarus are interested in Russia while it provides its natural and financial resources for free

          In addition to politicians, there is still a people who remember and will remember the kinship of our peoples.
          1. 210ox 10 February 2020 09: 37 New
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            Of course it is. Unfortunately, many are reformatted there. According to recent data, almost half of the inhabitants of Ukraine support nationalist ideas.
            1. sevryuk 10 February 2020 11: 41 New
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              At least the latter, there 75% were ready to choose Putin. For even less the last 99% were for socialism.
            2. AU Ivanov. 10 February 2020 11: 43 New
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              Remember how iron filings behave in a magnetic field? That's right - they line up along the lines of force. And if you remove this field? And then turn on your own?
            3. Vladimir Mashkov 10 February 2020 15: 06 New
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              Anyone who believes in “honest” ukroopros of the “true” ukroekspertov - the last sucker! yes
          2. Vladimir Mashkov 10 February 2020 15: 03 New
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            Arlen
            You are right, although you are minus.
          3. itarnmag 10 February 2020 15: 32 New
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            There are no related peoples; there are related people. All the so-called "kindred" peoples betray at the first opportunity. “To that in history we hear the darkness of examples” (I.A., Krylov)
        3. Xnumx vis 10 February 2020 09: 20 New
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          Quote: The same Lech
          Both Ukraine and Belarus are interested in Russia as long as it gives its natural and financial resources for free ... as soon as this trickle has withered, the friendship has ended, and all their interest in us.

          If in Russia with you there will be salaries from one and a half thousand dollars (in dollars for general clarity) of a pension of at least 800 dollars. , work, prospects for youth, decent overwhelmingly officials and state. employees, medicine and education are the best in Europe, then no one will have to persuade and win back for an alliance with us. This is an axiom ... Therefore, Russia is ahead! hi Otherwise, WE will not survive. drinksOnly a union state is the future of our common country!
          1. Same lech 10 February 2020 09: 57 New
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            Only a union state is the future of our common country!

            Yes, are we against hi but Lukashenko is pushing something ... constantly wriggling like in a frying pan, it’s not right for him to give him energy at its prices ... in general, and things are still there.
            1. Xnumx vis 10 February 2020 11: 19 New
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              Yes, we really are against it, but Lukashenka rests on something ..

              We’ll break it off ... One insult, time is running out ... Older people and average age will leave, and young people will be fine. They didn’t live differently, give them a show with Ksenia Sobchak ... and hamburgers are cheaper ...
          2. Victor N 10 February 2020 11: 18 New
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            I will try to earn $ 2000 to raise my average salary. This will be my personal contribution. And if anyone else joins .....
      2. Hagalaz 10 February 2020 07: 36 New
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        Ambition and plans are possible. But personally, I have a very big doubt that there are people, structures, elites who want and are able to implement them in the long run.
        1. Same lech 10 February 2020 07: 41 New
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          Cadres decide everything ... hi
          1. Hagalaz 10 February 2020 09: 53 New
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            I do not agree. Personnel are ordinary performers and can act only in a tactical perspective, which roughly speaking does not care what to push. And who will keep the “line” when changing frames and generations? hi
            1. Same lech 10 February 2020 09: 55 New
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              Personnel are ordinary performers and can act only in a tactical perspective.

              Well, without a good tool, you won’t hold a single line ... someone must bring the matter to its logical end ... everything must be interconnected ... a clear idea and personnel capable of realizing this idea.
              1. Hagalaz 10 February 2020 11: 50 New
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                And who is the bearer of ideas?
        2. sevryuk 10 February 2020 11: 43 New
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          Now, maybe not. But why don't they appear in the future? "Time to throw stones, and time to collect them"
          1. Hagalaz 10 February 2020 11: 48 New
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            I can’t argue with that, I’m not a fatalist. And my doubts are connected with the current moment. Based on opinions about our current "elites."
      3. Cowbra 10 February 2020 08: 36 New
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        Such Ukraine-do not need a fuck. The empire, so that you know - the Metropolis + the colonies, Russia has never been an empire in the classical sense - it has not robbed the provinces. And as part of the country, a rabid banderlog tribe, waiting only for Russia to build the country for the fourth time (after the Ottoman and Polish, German ruins in WWII and WWII, they were already rebuilding) so that they could again puncture damned Muscovites. Better to let them remain a scarecrow for everyone - what happens when you believe the West
        1. Sergej1972 13 February 2020 10: 03 New
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          A colonial empire and a “simple" empire are not the same thing. Although it is possible to combine them. The term is very ambiguous. There is still an empire in a geopolitical sense, such as the modern USA. Moreover, the United States is not a colonial empire, and not an empire in terms of internal structure.
          1. Cowbra 13 February 2020 10: 08 New
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            Colonial Associated territories, satellite countries are colonies, if they are called differently, the status does not change. Nothing has been built in Afghanistan - one large plantation with drugs is a typical colony. Oil is pumped from Iraq - and the money even owed to Iraq is stored in the United States, robbing the colonies in its purest form. In Germany, the US ambassador formally tells German firms who to work with and who not to bypass the country's leadership. puppet. Empire, and it is colonial.
      4. Arlen 10 February 2020 08: 39 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Of course, Ukraine is needed, as is Belarus

        We all need each other. I believe that the time will come and all the fraternal East Slavic countries will unite again into one state.
        1. sevryuk 10 February 2020 11: 44 New
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          Rather, states will unite in a country.
      5. Berber 10 February 2020 08: 49 New
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        I agree with you. No need for extra emotions. The USSR cannot be restored in its previous form, but it is necessary to strive to unite. And this is a condition for our continued survival. Europe will not be able to absorb Ukraine, in view of the strong difference in mentality, but it will spoil (the fall of the economy and demography) very much. And the problems of Ukraine, in fact, the problems of our "Big Russia".
      6. Gene84 10 February 2020 09: 39 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        if Russia has ambitions and plans, become an empire again

        Do Russia have these same plans and ambitions? Based on foreign policy towards Ukraine, we do not have them. Sometimes it seems that we just waved at everything that happens in the post-Soviet space with our hand.
        Quote: Svarog
        Otherwise, Ukraine will be sent to fight with us

        Undoubtedly! Ukraine is already preparing for war with us. They are brainwashed by Bandera idiom. They plant new "heroes" from among the traitors of the Ukrainian people.
      7. Machito 10 February 2020 10: 55 New
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        It's time to euthanize the piglet. Plague is not treated.
    4. Alex Nevs 10 February 2020 09: 22 New
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      The medicine is TIME, and on their knees to the Tsaritsa themselves.
      1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 09: 41 New
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        Quote: Alex Nevs
        and on their knees to the Tsaritsk themselves.

    5. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 09: 33 New
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      Such Ukraine is not needed.

      And there is no other. And there will be no more. Thanks to the 25-hour-a-day incitement to hatred of Russia and Russians, the current generation cannot be redone.
      They will pass on this hatred
      1. Alex Nevs 10 February 2020 09: 43 New
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        Yes, there the bulk (Southeast) is quite the opposite. Therefore, Zelu was chosen, if only not for Valtsman's Cock. They hoped for (shooting are happy in the movie). And he "cheated" them all.
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  3. Lamata 10 February 2020 07: 19 New
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    Who are they in the photo? the coat of arms is like a Swedish one, a photo on a banner of a Wehrmacht soldier or a fierce ss.
    1. Uncle lee 10 February 2020 07: 39 New
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      This is the coat of arms and sleeve chevron of the Galicia division.
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        Thank you, a strange coat of arms, almost Swedish.
    2. tihonmarine 10 February 2020 08: 46 New
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      Who are they in the photo? coat of arms like a swedish, photo on the banner of a Wehrmacht soldier

      Under Mazepa, Ukraine was under Sweden, there is probably a hint that Ukraine should remain within the Mazepa borders. The Wehrmacht, or SS, is already their essence.
      1. Lamata 10 February 2020 09: 03 New
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        It’s possible to accept Ukraine in Sweden as a whole !!!))) here the faded descendants of the Viking will be delighted, at first comrades from Asia and Africa have registered there, now they’ll come in big hiters. the end of sweden will be.
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          Given that democracy is in Sweden, and the people there are four times less than in comparison with Ukraine, Sweden is more likely to become part of the latter.)
    3. beeper 10 February 2020 13: 33 New
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      These are the emblems of the Nazi SS "Galicia" -western "heroes"! fool Native Galician youngsters with banners!
  4. Alexey Sommer 10 February 2020 07: 24 New
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    The ideology of zapadentsev is beneficial to the current rulers of Ukraine for the education of people hostile to the Russian Federation. Under the slogan Ukraine is not Russia, ardent Russophobes are brought up right at our side. The policy of appeasement of which sooner or later can lead to very big blood on our territory.
    Already, the slogan Ukraine is not Russia mutates into the slogan Ukraine anti Russia, anti, then the enemy.
    And the enemies must be preventively eliminated while this monster is still in the cradle, or we will get the next Poland.
    1. tihonmarine 10 February 2020 09: 13 New
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      And the enemies must be preventively eliminated while this monster is still in the cradle, or we will get the next Poland.

      Yes, now it seems there is no difference between Poland and Ukraine. Everything has already been brought to a common denominator.
  5. rocket757 10 February 2020 07: 29 New
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    Yes, everything that is possible and impossible is already said .... and then yourself, yourself.
    1. 210ox 10 February 2020 08: 38 New
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      Not quite so. It doesn’t work out “further on their own”. Maybe in fifteen years. The thing is that the interests of industrialists run counter to national ideology, patriotism, so to speak. We are driving the fuel for which fuel tanks in the Donbass, we supply the metal from which the rockets are made, and much more. Although, in theory, they should not do this. Here I look at the stores began to appear again products "from Svidomo"
      1. rocket757 10 February 2020 08: 55 New
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        The thing is that the interests of industrialists run counter to national ideology, patriotism, so to speak.

        Yes it is everywhere, for everyone. This is capitalism ....
        West took up arms against Russia and why. By any means, bypassing, they leak into any loophole when they sense the profit. This is a system, without fundamental changes it will be so.
  6. Basarev 10 February 2020 07: 34 New
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    In no case should you give up the lands of the ancient Galicia-Volyn principality. And it follows by the most effective, that is, the most cruel methods, to burn out from there the entire Polish-Ukrainian heresy. Ideally, the word Ukrainian itself should be forgotten. Ukrainians (and Belarusians) do not exist, there are only deceived Russians. It is incorrect to even speak of Little Russians as part of the triune Russian people, for the Russian people are indivisible. In Kostroma, Lviv or Gomel, the Russians are exactly the same, there’s no difference whatsoever.
    1. Uncle lee 10 February 2020 07: 46 New
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      Ukrainian is a Russian bitten by a Pole.
      A Pole is a Ukrainian bitten by a Jew.
      A Jew is a Ukrainian bitten Pole.
      All ! The circle is closed .... recourse
      1. bessmertniy 10 February 2020 09: 33 New
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        We had a snack, and all because everyone has a canine life. request
    2. sevryuk 10 February 2020 11: 49 New
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      Why, there were once three nationalities, then merged into one nation. But what to do with the Carpathian Rusyns is not clear.
  7. apro 10 February 2020 07: 35 New
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    Ukraine. Russia. Belarus. One people. One state.
    Today, a big question arises, but does Russia need itself? What civilizational sense in the movements of the authorities? What future do the inhabitants of the country look at? Is Russia the engine of progress in the territories of the former USSR? Unanswered questions ...
  8. mark1 10 February 2020 07: 51 New
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    We do not need Ukraine, we need those regions. which Russia conquered in the 18th century, created a powerful industry in them, and which, "by misunderstanding," were transferred to Ukraine. Ukrainians have always been nationalists throughout the territory, only in Galicia, for historical reasons, they are the most brutal.
    1. tihonmarine 10 February 2020 08: 52 New
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      Only in Galicia, for historical reasons, are they the most brutal.

      And how many years this Galicia is part of Little Russia, and how many years it is part of the USSR, and how many years it is part of Ukraine. But the fragment of the Austro-Hungarian Empire imagines itself to be Great Ukraine. This has happened in history, but rarely.
    2. sevryuk 10 February 2020 11: 53 New
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      Ukrainians lived and live in Ukraine (Middle Dnieper), in the countryside. Galitskaya Russia never belonged to it. The idiocy of the situation can be illustrated by the following example: the Croats would be called Serbs, come to them and begin to teach their lives, and the latter would recognize this right for them.
  9. Paul Siebert 10 February 2020 08: 41 New
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    Now the mayor of Lviv - Sadovoy does not give up the dust of our scout Nikolai Kuznetsov to a family in Russia.
    He wants to exchange for "Ukrainian captives in Muscovy."
    Trades the bones of a hero.
    Nikolai Ivanovich Kuznetsov is a man - a legend. In the occupied territory of Ukraine, under the name of Paul Siebert, he managed to destroy 11 German generals and senior officials involved in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Soviet civilians.
    He died in a battle with Bandera in the Lviv region in March 1944.
    Not wanting to surrender to the fanatic, he blew himself up with a grenade.
    Now this Bandera bastard still holds him captive ...
    It is necessary to return the hero to his homeland!
    And the original Russian lands are part of Russia!
  10. Prisoner 10 February 2020 08: 44 New
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    Little Russia is needed. Lviv to Poles, as a Trojan horse, part of the territories infected by Nazism to other western neighbors. Let them treat. winked
    1. bessmertniy 10 February 2020 09: 38 New
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      If Ukraine is accepted into a common state with Russia, then only the part that wants it. And then through a good quarantine. hi
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        Totally agree with you. Pulling is not advisable. hi
  11. Den717 10 February 2020 09: 11 New
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    The accession of these areas to the USSR was perhaps a mistake. A mistake that sooner or later will have to be corrected in one way or another.

    The mistake was a voluntaristic decision to release and authorize the return to the old place of residence of Bandera's remnants from the places where they were exiled, and where they were to be buried under license plates without monuments. And the accession of these territories made it possible to increase the difficult road to the German Wehrmacht, which allowed us to do what was done. Namely, do not let the enemy into Moscow. The author of this decision is N.S. Khrushchev. It’s a pity you can’t ask him anymore. But there is Kravchuk with Kui and Yushchenko, who allowed to strengthen this infection and get a legitimate position in the country. It was quite within their power to crush the bastards, with some desire, but for political and mercantile reasons these short-sighted politicians fell under the influence of the eternal enemy and betrayed their country. Not us, Ukraine. So their affairs should be investigated, it may even be a special commission of the CIS, and a decision should be made on the assessment of their activities in order to pass them on to the responsible leadership of Ukraine. Most likely today Ukraine will have to federalize and dismember the state into at least two, or maybe three, parts. Otherwise, the end of the war will not be for a long time. Zelensky is not an assistant here. He stumbles to the end of the term and conscientiously disappears from politics. It is already necessary today to seek a successor by non-public measures and give him strength to combat the prevailing political villains.
  12. ilik54 10 February 2020 09: 43 New
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    Putin, with a stroke of the pen, deprived all the illusions of ukro-Bandera fascists, the United States, the EU and NATO, for the war between Ukraine and Russia. He, Putin, made them like little blind and helpless puppies easily and simply.
    Putin is the true owner of planet Earth.
    A completely different socio-political process is being planned here.
    The fact is that after obtaining Russian citizenship the main part of Ukrainians, the state of Ukraine, as a state, can simply disappear, “like dew to the sun,” just like the Ukrainian hymn says, only the enemies themselves will disappear, but Ukraine itself.
    After obtaining Russian citizenship by the soldiers and commanders of the DPR and LPR, these armies will already be Russian.
    Then the APU will already really be at war with Russia.
    That's it!
    And that will be a completely different story.
    And all this mouse fuss with the withdrawal of troops, with the law on land, with television shows, with the return of sailors and ships is just a smokescreen for Svidomo Selyuk and the West from the USA.
    Death ukro-Bandera slaves!
    Death to the enemies and traitors of Russia!
    1. Moon 10 February 2020 16: 14 New
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      Then the APU will already really be at war with Russia.

      officially according to the Ukrainian television box and European - they are already fighting the Russian Federation
      Proxies and advisers + voentorg and regulars northerners 2014/2015 (tn North wind and vacationers)
      Quote: ilik54
      After obtaining Russian citizenship by the soldiers and commanders of the DPR and LPR, these armies will already be Russian.

      and the propaganda factor will be lost --- "civil war in Ukraine"
      1. ilik54 11 February 2020 15: 57 New
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        "The fact is that after obtaining Russian citizenship, the main part of Ukrainians, the state of Ukraine, as a state, can simply disappear," like dew to the sun, "just like the Ukrainian anthem says, only the enemies will disappear, but Ukraine itself."
        Not that you quote, (louksnós), learn to see the main thing.
  13. Pavel73 10 February 2020 09: 45 New
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    Yes, the annexation of Galicia was tactically correct, but strategically wrong move by Stalin. He did not take into account how deeply and widely there the roots of the Grushov-Don Don infection, which we now know under the name "Bandera", took root.
  14. demo 10 February 2020 09: 51 New
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    And it doesn’t matter whether they join the coveted Europe, having become the voivodships of Poland (which they don’t even mind at all), part of any other EU countries or will continue to exist as a separate “power”, the main national assets of which will be the monuments to Bandera and Shukhevych .
    It is highly probable that in the event of a negative (by Western standards) development of the situation, this territory can be made the same “black hole” as Kosovo was made.
    It is vitally important for the Americans to have such places of deployment where no inspectors, controllers, or curiosities will stick their noses.
    And Galicia is suitable for this role, like no other.
    The “logistics” base for transshipment of drugs in the EU is never superfluous.
    And brave guys who are not burdened with either intellect or remorse are a convenient tool for solving any dirty and very dirty tasks.

    The prospects are not very bright.
  15. Alexander Burlutsky 10 February 2020 09: 52 New
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    Any ,, Ukraine "is not needed. This is a fake, an under-state, a Stalinist under-project (with all due respect to I.V. Stalin, this is him, and other Bolsheviks, an underdevelopment. But the land, and the Russian people living in it, are definitely needed . To give up YOUR land, your territory and your people is a betrayal of the ancestors who shed blood for this land. And who does not consider himself Russian, and Russian land, let ye ..... t go to Europe, not only to earn money, but for permanent residence (they will probably give a bed in a hostel, next to African arabs and Africans).
  16. Grandfather Crimea 10 February 2020 10: 07 New
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    Whoever said that, but until you see and visit Ukraine yourself, and in its different regions, it’s hard to perceive everything, to give an assessment. Who was in Crimea is still not Ukraine, because there are completely different people. But it’s rightly said that the humanitarian sphere was given to people of Western orientation, for some years it was headed by a certain Kurys. And from the beginning of the 90s it started to go. The language began to change, personnel policy (transfer of specialists from west to south and east), from problematic western regions (flood) were relocated to the south, center and east of the country, someone himself left the west ..... All of this mass (just like Asians and other little blacks in Europe) created an aura of Ukrainians around themselves. Problems with the Russian language did not arise now, it is clear and systematic politics, they’ve just finished the question. Westerners stopped speaking Russian in the mid-80s! With people from Westernism can be agreed on all
    issues other than religious and language, the church is not MP, the language is only Ukrainian state. Everything! Heroes and economics, Europe and the CIS, are all solvable. What can we talk about ?!
    1. Grandfather Crimea 10 February 2020 10: 18 New
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      When Crimea got off, I watched such a picture in the passport desk of Sevastopol - parents from western Ukraine came to pick up children. Children are students of the Sevastopol University, I ask the group standing on the street (and the parents are in the room), where and where. They all speak pure Russian, they don’t want to leave, but they say that the parents arrived and pick up, but we like it here.
  17. Aleks2048 10 February 2020 10: 12 New
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    I read the article and comments ... Sadness. Although there is progress. In 2017, when he wrote that, in general, for the Russian Federation, Ukraine did not really need so many minuses picked up .... Now they are getting pluses for such statements. The main thing is that to get the pluses, it is imperative to hint that Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are one people, and it is necessarily the Russian people who artificially divided whether Jews or Anglo-Saxons .... Boring. When will insight come?
    Since the collapse of the USSR next year will be 30 years old. Those who made the collapse of the USSR were at that time in their prime, let them be 25 and older. Now a new generation has grown up which even in the childhood of the USSR did not catch them for 29 years. But what about those who lived under the USSR today? They are now by the standards of the USSR it’s time to either be retired or before the pension itself. In the USSR, they didn’t hesitate to particularly talk about such people vacate the place “the way is young everywhere” ... Yes, in the USSR, people aged 55-60 were considered an old senile, and not as they now believe that it can still be plowed and logging is equally useful 60 a summer old man and a 30 year old bull.
    So why am I ... But what’s now the generation of people who did not know the USSR has grown up and it rules as its state can, and it grew up against the backdrop of centrifugal forces from the collapse of the USSR, and those who remember the joint friendship of the peoples have nothing decide. So are the fraternal peoples Ukrainians-Belarusians-Russians? Not sure.
    Maybe there are objective reasons for the unification of states? I do not see such. In the economy, each state is guided by its needs and these states have nothing to offer each other vital. There is no external aggressor for the one for all three, well, or at least two of the three states, so there is no reason even for a certain confederation. All three states profess capitalism in such a way that no one will talk about the united soul of the people. And it is not necessary to say that some regions or areas of states are allegedly opposing the unification ... No. Objectively, the peoples of the states do not particularly want to live together.
    1. Ros 56 10 February 2020 10: 26 New
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      Objectively, the peoples of the states do not particularly want to live together.

      This is you in Donbass tell, they will answer you and even the direction and address will prompt.
      1. Aleks2048 10 February 2020 15: 23 New
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        And Donbass has nowhere to go either with Ukraine or Russia or on its own. Fucking example.
        And if you recall the very beginning of the war in the Donbass, it will become clear that initially the Donbass did not plan to separate from Ukraine, and especially did not intend to go to Russia, so with ideas like asking in the Donbass you poked a finger at the sky.
        1. Ros 56 10 February 2020 17: 29 New
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          When young marry, they also do not intend to divorce with rare exceptions. But alas it happens. And by the way, did the site entrust the value of examples to you, or did you decide to do it yourself? One should be more modest, comrade, although the surname is famous.
          1. Aleks2048 11 February 2020 08: 50 New
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            And by the way, did the site entrust the value of examples to you, or did you decide to do it yourself?

            And it seemed to me that my opinion does not require permission. request You can write your opinion on the VO site if it does not conflict with the rules of the site.
            Have you received permission somewhere to have your opinion? laughing
    2. sevryuk 10 February 2020 12: 00 New
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      And do not expect! Remember the example of your beloved Poland. It has been divided for 120 years, and nothing, lives now and lives (while the EU subsidizes). But then there were no nations as such. The country - it’s like mercury, well, or Terminator 2 - the circumstances are, it will recover.
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        circumstances will be restored

        So far nothing has been added up. repeat
  18. Ros 56 10 February 2020 10: 22 New
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    It is necessary to return their own, the Russian Empire and the USSR, the land and those who wished to be Russian people, and let the remaining banderlogs remain in the banderlog. Poles will explain to them how to build relationships, along Bandera or across. And enough of the Ukrainian brothers already, for six years they have seen enough in the Donbass and on TV.
    1. Grandfather Crimea 10 February 2020 10: 57 New
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      Every person, country ....... there is a chance, the situation is like this (moreover, it is a sinusoid -to + then-) or it is possible to improve the situation or worsen (and not everyone is far-sighted - they can’t immediately make out what is better and what worse), and if the choice is made, and the wrong choice is made, then now the situation should reach its climax (or bottom), only after awareness will a new situation begin to emerge (then there will again be a chance to change something), it matures slowly, by to the extent of perception ..... A person sometimes takes half the life - in order to realize, accept, evaluate, start changing something in his life and finally make the right choice. And such dolbo .... a whole country, more than one generation can change. And I would like to be a single country from Uzhgorod to Sov.Havani. .... (((((
      1. Ros 56 10 February 2020 11: 04 New
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        And for me, since more than three hundred years of living together didn’t work, there’s nothing to wait for. Let the Poles with their boots across the face of the banderlog explain what the right choice is.
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          It was less incompatible (with the exception, of course, of Galicia and Lodomeria, of which we are talking). And for a much smaller area.
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            Naturally, the territory is there with a gulkin nose, but that is not the point. Remember the hetman Mazepa, remember the hetman Skoropadsky, I called it offhand, and there were a lot of them, these multi-vector ones. Therefore, it is necessary to tie this friendship for the benefit, or of all businesses. Violated and to the wall without talking. You will be justified before the Lord
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              Hetman Skoropadsky

              there were two
              Paul Petrovich Skoropadsky (last)
              Ivan Ilyich Skoropadsky (appointed by Peter 1 instead of Mazepa)
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                As I understand it - radish horseradish is not sweeter. He climbed into the wiki, and there they were like uncut dogs.
  19. Ethnarchist 10 February 2020 11: 09 New
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    This is a war of brothers and sisters, a war at the level of not just material, but at the level of quantum physics, at the level of psychophysics, destroying not just the organism but the very soul of the people, leading to the spiritual death of the people! Our people, it is not regrettable.
  20. Jurkovs 10 February 2020 11: 12 New
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    And then “strong business executives”, from Dnepropetrovsk, from Donetsk, enthusiastically “sawing” the remains of the Ukrainian economy

    Or maybe we here in Russia didn’t understand something there. And the "strong business executives" knew perfectly well what Galicia was like and did not even think to resist them. Petlyurovschina and Bandera did not appear from scratch, they were always in the mentality of Ukrainian settlement. This is the mistake of Stalin, who sewed the sleeve of Galicia to the Ukrainian frock coat. And this is our common mistake that we did not notice this phenomenon, made self-zombies with the "idea of ​​the brotherhood of peoples." And now, as always, we wave our fists after the fight and look for who is to blame. It is necessary to take away the Donbass, Kharkov and Krivoy Rog, we will not digest more, and we can get fatal indigestion.
  21. EvilLion 10 February 2020 11: 48 New
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    Ukraine will be digested and liquidated. Called "Ukrainian" will be shameful. It can take 10, 20, 50, or even 100 years, but it is inevitable.
  22. iouris 10 February 2020 11: 57 New
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    Ukraine is part of Russia. The division of Russia into the Russian Federation and Ukraine can and should be stopped. This is the goal. All other issues will be resolved after the liquidation of this section. No one promised that it would be easy.
  23. ZaharoFF 10 February 2020 12: 18 New
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    Obviously not needed. Modern Ukraine was generally needed by few, with clearly defined goals, many of which could not be achieved, now they are trying to reset it without losing their own face.
  24. Pavel57 10 February 2020 12: 49 New
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    Even if Ukraine succeeds in dismembering, it will be able to integrate historically close parts of Russia after physical breaks in economic ties and the enormous cost of association.
  25. Sailor 10 February 2020 13: 14 New
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    I don’t agree with the author, we need all of Ukraine, a true Bandera man in the eyes served with me from the Ivano-Frankivsk region urgently and after 27 years (we called up in 2018) during a conversation on Skype he told me: Rather, Russia would take Ukraine to itself. Of course, with age, his views change for him 49, but the fact that he is not the only one I understand, and they don’t want to fight in the Donbass in their area either, and the fact that we are guilty of a stupid policy with regard to it is still nothing but negativity, but need to fight for the minds of youth
  26. sevryuk 10 February 2020 13: 18 New
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    Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
    The country of Russia - Great Russia

    Great Russia is the Central He- and Chernozemye, and m. part of the Volga region.
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      Great Russia is

      ... swamps and tundra, mainly.
    2. Sergej1972 13 February 2020 10: 23 New
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      The term is ambiguous. Another option is a continuous territory with a predominance of the Great Russian population, that is, the entire territory of the territories, regions of the Russian Federation plus fully or partially the territory of a number of republics of the Russian Federation with a predominance of the Great Russian population. Plus, some territories outside the Russian Federation.
  27. Yury Siritsky 10 February 2020 14: 11 New
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    Ukraine has always been divided into east and west. In the east, Westerners have always been called Bendera.
    1. iouris 10 February 2020 15: 54 New
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      In the east, Westerners have always been called Bendera.

      In the West, not all Bandera, but today in the East, Bandera is full. In the "ATO zone" sent mainly from the East. In the Russian Federation, both Vlasovites and Bandera are also full. And this problem will have to be solved. Incidentally, this is the task of the "national idea" and ideology, which everyone is looking for and cannot find.
      1. Vladkr 10 February 2020 21: 43 New
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        There is an opinion that a national idea already exists in Russia, it only requires its reflection, and work on the wording. It sounds something like this - we (all peoples, ethnic groups, faiths, etc.) live in the largest (great, strong, fair, rich, etc.) country in the world. That is, the national idea of ​​Russia is in the size of its territory. It is the awareness of its size, its enormity, as well as the awareness of its historical and world greatness, that is what unites us all — peoples, denominations, and layers of civil society (classes, if you want), and government and business (at least it should be so - the task of the national idea is this). The spirit of great power in every inhabitant of our country, in each of us. And the possibility of translating into reality the words "fair, rich, etc." - in our hands, all taken together. United by the national idea.
  28. Vladimir Mashkov 10 February 2020 14: 54 New
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    The article is honest and objective. Ukraine has NEVER been and will NOT be united, contrary to the assertion of the current Ukrainian authorities, Bandera, stupid and unscrupulous Russians. In / in Ukraine there is now a terrorized pro-Russian passive majority and an active Russophobian-Bandera minority of the population, who seized power with the help of a conspiracy, traitors, the West and which supports pro-American power and is itself supported by it. Such a structure is not a Ukrainian feature: these are all the societies of the world (active minority and passive majority).

    Does Ukraine need Russia ... Do you need fertile lands located in zones favorable for agriculture and viticulture? Do you need mineral deposits? Do you need the remnants of industry that can still be restored? Do you need powerful Black Sea ports? Do you need the remains of shipyards on which you can build aircraft carriers, other large ships and ships? Do you need former leaders of the marine and aircraft engine industry, which can still be reanimated? Do you need a territory without NATO bases and its western border at a distance of 1000 km (if without Western Ukraine) from the western border of Russia with a loyal and friendly population? Certainly - Russia needs Ukraine. But with ANOTHER government and OTHER authorities. And for this you need to allow, do not interfere ( smile ) LDNR army to begin the liberation of Ukraine. I believe that the influx of volunteers will be large. And, of course, then capital cleaning and denazification will be required. Some will say: we ourselves do not have extra money and energy. I believe that small repayable loans and a change in power will help Ukraine recover: Ukrainians, despite some ridicule, are able to work.
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      And for this you need to allow, do not interfere () the LDNR army to begin the liberation of Ukraine

      it is not liberation, but a seizure with corresponding resistance and reaction in the world.
      That is how the final separation of Ukraine from the Russian Federation began.
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      I think the influx of volunteers will be large

      for what? A large gray area without a future?
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      And, of course, then capital cleaning and denazification will be required

      it will be easier to relocate everyone. And it's expensive.
      It is unclear how to clean and "denazify". Ukrainians (from the USSR) have been living there for a hundred years.
      According to the principle, who does not like the expense, do not work out.
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      Some will say: we ourselves do not have extra money and energy

      This is all so thoughtless and expensive that no one in their right mind will go.
      The idea needs to be planted in the Russian Federation. But capitalism has no idea. The main thing is warm.
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      Ukrainians, despite the ridicule of some, know how to work.

      and like any stubborn and stubborn people they don’t understand such a “blessing” as “liberation” by the LDNR army ..
      zones living worse than a poor country ... from what can it free? From the remnants of luxury?
      They also lack an idea.
      Their meaning is to poison the country.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov 10 February 2020 17: 19 New
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        Enemies and propaganda are stupid and visible to everyone. And there are - cunning and smart. Right, pan ...? Where are you from? From under the Lion? From under Kuev? Or from Dambas? Or is it from Haifa? laughing
  29. Alexander Barinov 11 February 2020 06: 00 New
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    The appointment of an ethnic Ukrainian to the post of deputy head of the presidential administration is another stupidity of the President of the Russian Federation. This Kozak is obliged to go to the Donbass and stop the atrocities of the Ukraine * AP in order to prove his worth.
  30. Yury Siritsky 11 February 2020 13: 04 New
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    Ukraine is unlikely to return to the image that we knew 25 years ago. Well, if only zbagret zapadenikov.
  31. Ivan Osipov_2 11 February 2020 14: 15 New
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    Who needs traitors and enemies at all? And the ruined economy, the loss of the whole industry and the brains on one’s side do not add optimism to the population. Judge for yourself A-95 in Ukraine costs 70,2 rubles (at the rate), per liter and daily growth, in Russia 45, in place. Who the hell is this Ukraine for us?
  32. Major48 11 February 2020 20: 21 New
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    What a manner of distorting the Russian language by the Ukrainians! There is no Galicia in the Russian language, there is Galicia. And our heroic grandfathers fought in Galicia, in Galicia during the First World War the imperial guard perished. And the graves of Semenovites and Preobrazhensky trample Bandera. Secondly, Galicia is not the Lviv region! This is a larger region, including the Ternopil and Stanislavl region (Ivano-Frankivsk).
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      Well, and thirdly, there is also Polish, Western Galicia.
  33. Boris Petrov 15 February 2020 11: 40 New
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    Yes, the Communists, with their taming, fertilized the soil of the former Russian land. Now, on these fertilizers, poisonous Galician seeds are sown with the hand of the Anglo-Saxons. Soon, the seedlings of Bandera will begin to shoot.
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    Well, yes, probably, in which case, the German experience will be useful. But! In Germany, all this was carried out in a completely different international environment. And now Russia is semi-surrounded by semi-fascists.