The lessons of the Russian revolution and civil war


These days, historians recall the 100th anniversary of the events related to the civil war in Russia. This war, from which many important conclusions could be drawn. But are they made?


The events of 100 years ago in the studio "Day TV" reflects historian Andrei Fursov.

In the course of the conversation, an important question arises: “What did the peasants actually do when the Reds threshed the whites and the whites threshed the reds?” The question is interesting, especially considering that for the period 1918-1920 the vast majority of the Russian peasantry were by no means determined whose side in this confrontation is occupied and whether it is necessary to switch to any side at all.

While active hostilities were ongoing from Crimea to the Far East, millions of peasants often tried to continue to do what they were used to doing under the previous government - cultivating land and trying to feed their families.

Andrei Fursov recalls the Nekrasov phrase about the reforms of Alexander II as applied to the very idea of ​​the Russian revolution:

Reforms hit the gentleman with one end and the peasant with the other.

An important question raised, how did it turn out that the situation of the late XIX-early XX centuries did not even lead to a revolution, but to a complete reformatting of the socio-political system in the country with multiple geopolitical consequences.

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  1. 1959ain 9 February 2020 14: 33 New
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    In the USA, 200 years of revolutions and wars, it only nightmares countries all over the world, with wars and revolutions, they hammer into our heads that we would commit suicide, destroying our countries, and they would save us from this fire, robbing us and fed their unemployed. So become a suicide and make a revolution in your country, and feed the unemployed USA winked
    1. businessv 9 February 2020 15: 57 New
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      Quote: 1959ain
      So become a suicide and make a revolution in your country, and feed the unemployed USA
      You famously twisted, colleague! I think there are few people in our country who would love to see this action, not to mention participating in it!
      1. Grandfather 9 February 2020 18: 09 New
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        The lessons of the Russian revolution and civil war
        "what do you dream about, the cruiser Aurora ...
  2. paul3390 9 February 2020 14: 35 New
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    The lessons are simple - the ruling class should not be greyhound and bring people to the pen .. And then after all, when once again they will smear their forehead with green paint - just like 100 years ago, all this type of elite will scream woefully - and we for sho ? Sincerely not understanding - but in fact, for sho .. But the people paid by them will be sooooo well understood ..
    1. Arlen 9 February 2020 15: 29 New
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      Quote: paul3390
      The lessons are simple - the ruling class should not be greyhound and bring people to the pen

      That's right. If we look at the reasons leading the country to the Great October Socialist Revolution, then we will see several main reasons, namely:
      Reason 1. The agrarian-peasant question. For centuries, the peasantry oppressed by the landowners dreamed of getting rid of the oppression of the landlords. The reforms carried out by the tsarist government did not find a proper response among the peasants;
      Reason 2. The political crisis. Complete political powerlessness of the working class and peasantry. The loss of authority by the Provisional Government, which was not able to solve the problems of society;
      Reason 3. The arbitrariness of the police and officials.
      Reason 4. The fatigue of the people from the protracted war;
      Reason 5. The economic crisis. Rising inflation, unemployment, rising prices, the threat of hunger and more;
      Stalin in his works wrote:
      "... the country continued to languish under the weight of imperialist war, economic collapse and food devastation. The front was falling apart and spreading. Factories and factories were stopping. Hunger was growing in the country. The February revolution, with its internal contradictions, was clearly not enough to“ save the country. ”Milyukov’s government “Kerensky was clearly unable to resolve the fundamental issues of the revolution.”

      The main objectives of the Revolution were as follows:
      a) Building a fair Soviet society;
      b) Establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat;
      c) Elimination of human exploitation by man;
      d) Equal rights of people in their rights and duties.
      The slogan of the Revolution was "All power to the Soviets!"
      Stalin in the article "Power of the Soviets" (for the name is not sure) wrote:
      “What is“ power of the Soviets ”and how does it differ from any other power?
      They say that transferring power to the Soviets means creating a “homogeneous” democratic government, organizing a new “cabinet” of “socialist” ministers and, in general, making a “serious change” in the personnel of the Provisional Government. But this is not true. The point here is not at all the replacement of some persons of the Provisional Government by others. The point is that the new, revolutionary classes should become masters of the situation in the country. The point is the transfer of power into the hands of the proletariat and the revolutionary peasantry. "

      Thanks to the Revolution, the course of history was changed not only in Russia, but throughout the world. The first socialist state was created. The state of workers and peasants. In the new Soviet state, changes have occurred in all areas. The issue of illiteracy was resolved. Fair social conditions were created. Etc.
      1. paul3390 9 February 2020 15: 32 New
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        If we want at least any decent future for our children, we have no choice but to return Soviet power. And this is true - we once prosrali her, and to return to us. There is nothing to transfer your sins to descendants ..
        1. carstorm 11 9 February 2020 15: 54 New
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          thanks of course, but let’s do without resurrecting the dead. it will be possible to return it only by force, but I’m not sorry for my children.
          1. paul3390 9 February 2020 15: 55 New
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            You might think - there is a choice .. Nobody will give the stolen good.
            1. carstorm 11 9 February 2020 15: 56 New
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              Well, then another war will be and the country will not remain. is that your task
              1. paul3390 9 February 2020 15: 58 New
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                And yours - to make your children serfs? After all, everything goes to that. We’ll live in the 19th century - but it’s like without a war .. No, there’s definitely nothing left of the country, the bourgeois will sell us with all his giblets ..
                1. carstorm 11 9 February 2020 16: 02 New
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                  what the hell serfs? Why write these nonsense? you live in a free country and do what you want. choose the path yourself in life and go along it. I want the same for my daughters. so that they themselves decide who to be and how to live.
                  1. paul3390 9 February 2020 17: 23 New
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                    As for a free country, this is especially ridiculous .. Under capitalism this does not happen ..

                    But we built this society not to infringe on personal freedom, but to ensure that the human person feels truly free. We built it for real personal freedom, freedom without quotes. It’s hard for me to imagine what kind of “personal freedom” there may be for an unemployed person who goes hungry and does not find the use of his labor. True freedom exists only where exploitation has been destroyed, where there is no oppression of some people by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a person does not tremble that tomorrow he may lose his job, home, bread. Only in such a society is real, not paper, personal and any other freedom possible.
                    1. carstorm 11 9 February 2020 17: 49 New
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                      these slogans are not there) I did not believe in this nonsense and I do not believe it. I did myself and everything that I achieved, too, everything myself. at the same time, I did not shy away from guarding the parking lot or eating doshiraki in order to pay for my studies. so all this certainly sounds beautiful but not for me.
                2. Stirbjorn 9 February 2020 20: 27 New
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                  Quote: paul3390
                  And yours - to make your children serfs? After all, everything goes to that. We will live in the 19th century - but of the type without a war ..

                  for sure, and after death we will go to heaven! wassat
              2. Sergey Olegovich 9 February 2020 16: 14 New
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                Quote: carstorm 11
                Well, then another war will be and the country will not remain. is that your task

                Why war? Type without war, you can’t come to power? You will laugh but you can through the elections. If everyone comes to the polls, including those who do not go to the polls because of “they decided everything there long ago without us” and will vote, there will be no war.
                1. carstorm 11 9 February 2020 16: 30 New
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                  can. just do not work out. this is alien to the younger generation and they won’t go for it. which means only by force. I’m talking about the Soviet government that people missed you. he speaks of return and not of coming to her.
        2. AU Ivanov. 9 February 2020 15: 55 New
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          She never existed in nature, this Soviet power. The Communists ruled, and the people elected were a decoration that never solved anything. It would be more correct to say, not to return, but to create Soviet power.
          1. paul3390 9 February 2020 16: 00 New
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            Rave. You never lived under the USSR. There were already rights and opportunities to influence the government - in those days it was an order of magnitude more than in the current Russian Federation ..
            1. carstorm 11 9 February 2020 16: 04 New
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              for example, what?))) what exactly could you influence?)
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                ANB 10 February 2020 01: 59 New
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                . what exactly could you influence

                I myself could not. By age.
                But my mother, when she could not attach me to the garden, brought me to the office of the director of the plant. A week later, I was in the garden.
                In the case of some kind of great injustice, any ordinary worker could turn to the city / district committee. If they didn’t help, go to the newspaper. True, for example. Correspondents of central newspapers in the field were feared like fire.
            2. AU Ivanov. 9 February 2020 16: 08 New
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              Any Council danced to the tune of the district committee, city party committee. Even the candidatures of deputies were coordinated with party bodies. This is an example of democracy.
              1. paul3390 9 February 2020 17: 27 New
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                I’m saying that you didn’t live under the USSR. Otherwise, they would have known that if needed - a person could go to a deputy in the Council, regional committee, trade union, KNK, write in a newspaper - yes there were a lot of opportunities. And that’s all - really serious, not like a fake .. For under Soviet rule, there was a true rule of law .. And real democracy.
                1. AU Ivanov. 9 February 2020 17: 32 New
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                  Well, yes, as he was born in 1963, he was in lethargy. And he perfectly saw the "rule of law" by the whistle from the district committee.
                  1. paul3390 9 February 2020 17: 35 New
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                    Either lying, or in lethargy and arrived. For I, like all those who really lived then, have the opposite experience .. Including - on a call from the district committee. I would try there if someone didn’t accept the complaint from the hard worker or had a break .. And after all, there were higher instances of the district committee.
                    1. AU Ivanov. 9 February 2020 17: 52 New
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                      Yeah. My mom, who had five of us, had real experience. Upon a request to improve housing conditions, she was told that no one had asked her to give birth so much.
                      1. qQQQ 9 February 2020 19: 10 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        Yeah. My mom, who had five of us, had real experience. Upon a request to improve housing conditions, she was told that no one had asked her to give birth so much.

                        If you come up with something, then something more real, in the USSR such an answer was simply not acceptable, and at any level of power, because there was a queue of other candidates to any place, any miss and that’s all - changed.
                      2. AU Ivanov. 9 February 2020 20: 14 New
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                        Yes of course. I remember well the Komsomol and party leaders who looked down on the "gray cattle" Of which, in fact, now our government consists of. So, EP is the CPSU today.
                    2. chenia 9 February 2020 20: 10 New
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                      Quote: AU Ivanov.
                      My mom, who had five of us, had real experience.


                      Enough dandy enough. And what did not give the apartment? Did you live in the basement? You don’t hang noodles on your ears. In this situation, this is a separate turn. Single mother (as I understand it) all the more.
                      Well, if you don’t write to the queue at all, then yes.
                      I warn you. I’m more than 10 years older than you, and I know all the subtleties of that time.
                      Something you do not agree?
                    3. AU Ivanov. 10 February 2020 10: 13 New
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                      You tell this to those 40% of Leningraders who lived in communal apartments. They received housing, but only service, from the railway, where his father worked. And not in Leningrad. And without amenities. And grandfather and grandmother - both veterans - order-bearers, have lived almost all their lives in the communal, received a separate one only on the 60th anniversary of the Victory, already in old age.
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                    My mom, who had five of us, had real experience. Upon a request to improve housing conditions, she was told that no one asked her to give birth so much.

                    I do not believe. Examples of many were before my eyes. Since '89, maybe someone would risk it so to speak.
                    Before that - it would end very badly for the boss.
            3. ANB
              ANB 10 February 2020 02: 02 New
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              I did not have time to read the comment. Sorry for the take.
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            ANB 10 February 2020 02: 00 New
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            Even the candidatures of deputies were agreed with the party bodies


            But the criminals did not go to the deputies.
  3. AU Ivanov. 9 February 2020 15: 39 New
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    The tsarist government has already been overthrown. And not by the people, but by the oligarchy, the highest generals and the top officials of the Russian Empire.
    1. Arlen 9 February 2020 15: 54 New
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      That's right. As for my quote: "Reforms carried out by the tsarist government ..." then, the Provisional Government in most issues related to reforms continued tsarist.
  4. paul3390 9 February 2020 15: 45 New
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    Reason 1. The agrarian-peasant question.
    Actually - the true creator of the Russian revolution was Alexander II, such as the Liberator. He chose the most moronic and stupid version of the agrarian reform .. That shied away. Inevitably, analogies arise with a no less stupid type of pension reform ... True - we can do it for the better, people will quickly recover and return socialism ..
  5. Edvid 12 February 2020 01: 19 New
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    The main, programmatic task of the coming to power of the Bolsheviks was the "world revolution". And to achieve their goal, they used Russia "like cannon fodder." When the implementation of this idea failed miserably, they reoriented themselves - they began the implementation of the plan of "unconditional victory in a single country", i.e. - in Russia...
  • bober1982 9 February 2020 16: 09 New
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    Quote: paul3390
    And then after all, when once again they will be smear forehead with green

    Express yourself in thieves' jargon, here is not a criminal environment.
    1. paul3390 9 February 2020 17: 28 New
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      This is folklore and not jargon. You need to understand the difference.
  • Gene84 9 February 2020 16: 41 New
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    Quote: paul3390
    The lessons are simple - the ruling class should not be greyhound and bring people to the pen

    Not everyone, not everywhere, and does not always understand the lessons of the revolution. But in some places abroad, it dawned on someone and they learned the lessons that translated Russia into revolution.
  • Lamata 9 February 2020 17: 10 New
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    the ruling class was fenced off by its algazazili like the police, the FSB, the prosecutor’s office, the sk, the Rogsguard.
    1. Gato 10 February 2020 00: 04 New
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      the ruling class fenced off with its algazazils

      There are far from being representatives of the ruling class. And they have moms, dads, children and other relatives from whom they somehow protect the parasites?
  • Private89 9 February 2020 23: 23 New
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    Power is to blame for any revolution! In a revolutionary situation, the government has 3 paths, either deep reforms, or reaction (tightening the screws), or revolution. If it brings people to a state where a person has a choice, or he and his children go to die in the gateway or change the system that oppresses and destroys him in a revolutionary way, the person knows what he will choose. Capitalism is built on justice, where either you exploit someone or you, where you cannot solve a single problem of ordinary people, since the bourgeois state under this system, acting as a private trader, seeks to maximize profits and proceeds from economic profitability for its elite, and not a public good for all, this system cannot offer anything else, which means that the sword of revolution of Damocles will hang over this system and its apologists.
    And I would like to finish with the words from the song of the group Morning in You.
    “She comes to us in the darkness of generations,
    To the dungeon of days, things and phenomena
    And gives hope to all living, that dawn will soon come.
    They say that life should be easy.
    They say the limit is far.
    What should we go with the flow.
    What seems to be more important than being.
    They say that hearts have cooled
    And no one will stand to the end
    But she carries a new message
    And she is already here. ”
  • Narak-zempo 9 February 2020 14: 36 New
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    Damn, stop already PR obscurantists from The Day and the conspirator Fursov!
  • AU Ivanov. 9 February 2020 14: 46 New
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    "White come - rob, red come - rob ... Well, where to the peasant!"
    1. Lamata 9 February 2020 19: 49 New
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      Bury the bread, go to the forest by the summit))) with forks and axes.
    2. Gato 10 February 2020 00: 07 New
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      "White come - rob, red come - rob ... Well, where to the peasant!"

      Let them look at the tricolor - there’s a hint in the middle lol
  • Lannan Shi 9 February 2020 15: 08 New
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    The question is interesting, especially when you consider that for the period 1918-1920, the vast majority of the peasantry of Russia did not decide which side to take in this confrontation and whether it is necessary to switch sides.

    Oh, oh. And the Bolsheviks formed the five millionth army exclusively from Martians. The peasants just decided. Bayonet voted for the Bolsheviks. The memories of "prosperous tsarist Russia" and the crunch of rolls were painfully fresh.
    1. AU Ivanov. 9 February 2020 15: 21 New
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      And from whom was the White Army formed? Given that the number of nobles in the Republic of Ingushetia did not exceed 1,5%.
      1. The popuas 9 February 2020 15: 27 New
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        From people like you Ivanov! yes
        1. paul3390 9 February 2020 17: 30 New
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          And they lost. And they will lose again when the seething begins .. For socialism is inevitable, you can’t argue against the laws of social development ..
      2. qQQQ 9 February 2020 19: 13 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        And from whom was the White Army formed?

        She was more small and unreliable, and therefore lost, not a very simple soldier wanted to die for the master.
        1. AU Ivanov. 9 February 2020 20: 11 New
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          What gentleman? The white movement was against usurpation of power by the Bolsheviks. In Russia, in addition to the RSDLP (b), there were many parties, both right-wing and left-wing, completely undeservedly excluded from the country's political life.
          1. qQQQ 10 February 2020 09: 11 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            What gentleman?

            Barin is a collective image of the capitalist, landowner, etc. The White movement proposed all the same as it was, they simply exchanged the tsar for parliament, the Bolsheviks proposed a completely different idea, which was supported by an absolute majority. The defeat of the database was logical and inevitable.
    2. Reptiloid 9 February 2020 19: 25 New
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      Quote: Lannan Shi
      ...... Oh, oh. And the Bolsheviks formed the five millionth army exclusively from Martians. The peasants just decided. Bayonet voted for the Bolsheviks. The memories of "prosperous tsarist Russia" and the crunch of rolls were painfully fresh.

      Well yes! The rolls crunched! Only with whom? How many. in the 19th century there were famine years, which according to the census of 1898, the average life expectancy was 30 years with a small difference between men and women.
      Tolstoy wrote “Hunger,” where it’s just that.
      Living longer was the privilege of other classes richer. Also from infectious diseases, the% of deaths among the population where they were starving was much higher.
    3. Lamata 9 February 2020 22: 23 New
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      You carefully read how the army was formed and how many deserters and defectors were.
  • knn54 9 February 2020 15: 38 New
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    I didn’t look, but I will express my opinion.
    At first, the peasants remained neutral. but when white began to return the landowners sympathy for the monarchists faded.
    The peasants of Siberia stood especially where there were no landowners and the revolution did not change their way.
    Kolchak’s actions — general mobilization, execution of deserters, led to mass resistance to the “Supreme.”
    And starting from the 20s, the overestimated "plans" of the surplus appraisal led to peasant unrest, which grew into a "small" civil war against Soviet power.
    1. mat-vey 9 February 2020 15: 46 New
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      Yes, it seems even Denikin complained about this, that where are supporters and sympathizers to take if there is nothing besides flogging and shooting from the newly returned "owners".
    2. Private89 9 February 2020 23: 40 New
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      The whites in Siberia, when they came to power, also began to take arrears from the peasants from 1914 to 1918, canceled the 8-hour working day introduced by the Soviets, and prohibited gatherings and strikes. Then the peasants understood who the whites were.
  • businessv 9 February 2020 15: 53 New
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    About the Russian revolution, the civil war and their lessons for today:
    An interesting program, good, competent presentation, timely direction from the host! I learned a lot of interesting things, thank you very much! hi
  • nikvic46 9 February 2020 15: 58 New
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    Soon all that really happened in the past will be blabbed. We started with the revolution and civil war. But it seemed a little to someone. And there were such conversations, they say that everything was not so bad in German. In the film "Pop" the director and screenwriter decided to show how the priests sowed good things in the occupied territory. But all this is at odds with the fact that it was actually. "I was baptized twice. Once under the Soviet regime. Another time under the Germans. To receive an Ausweis." - this is the story of a man who lived as a child in the occupation. Now they have already learned to speak so bizarrely that they paint every historical transition as an absolute nightmare. There were uprisings, riots, and revolutions. And if they weren’t, we probably would not have to talk about it. This is history.
  • Guazdilla 9 February 2020 16: 10 New
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    Literally, the following was said in the video.
    Officers and generals of the intelligence staff of the General Staff, who, in fact, organized the February coup hands of the Bolsheviks, and then were deceived by the Bolsheviks. They understood that the country needed to be saved from the chaos into which the interim government was plunging it.
    - What is this nonsense in general? The hands of which Bolsheviks? Lenin, who spent almost the whole of March in Switzerland, or Stalin, who arrived in Petrograd from Siberia on March 12?
    1. paul3390 9 February 2020 19: 35 New
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      Yes, all the Bolsheviks at the beginning of 1917 were 20 thousand for the whole of Russia. Of which the majority either sat or arrived abroad ..
      1. AU Ivanov. 9 February 2020 20: 18 New
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        It means that they grabbed the authorities after the coup not by rank. There were many parties with interesting programs: the same right-wing Socialist-Revolutionaries or Mensheviks — the Plekhanovites.
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          . There were many parties with interesting programs: the same right-wing Socialist-Revolutionaries or Mensheviks — the Plekhanovites.

          So these grabbed back in February.
          And they brought the country to a pen.
          By October, power was already wallowing.
          The meetings of the constituent assembly remind me very much of the meetings of the Supreme Council of the 91st model. One chatter.
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      What do the Bolsheviks generally have to do with February? there were few of them in the councils, and how could they persuade the king to abdicate? they had no access to it
  • DMB 75 9 February 2020 16: 49 New
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    The lessons of the Russian revolution and civil war

    I think the best lesson is not to bring people to a civil war.
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    the only lesson is to destroy the Anglo-Saxons !!!! am
    1. Stirbjorn 9 February 2020 20: 34 New
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      Quote: datur
      the only lesson is to destroy the Anglo-Saxons !!!! am

      and the freemasons ?!
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        .. and Chukchi! wassat
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          Sorry, but you can still reptilians ... all human life crap ..
  • boris epstein 29 March 2020 15: 15 New
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    "White threshed the red, red threshed the white, and what did the peasants actually do?"
    86% were peasants. At the time of the end of the civil war in the Red Army, there were 5,5 million people. About 1,5-1,8 million people passed through the white armies. The composition of the Red Army is a reflection of the percentage population of the country. Consequently, 86% of the personnel of the Red Army are peasants. The ratio of the proletarians and peasants in the white armies and all sorts of small gangs is approximately the same. The nobility and the intelligentsia are small strata that are distributed approximately equally. Moreover, the overwhelming majority of male belligerents are in productive age. Yes, many peasants were engaged in their own agricultural business. But did all of the armies and gangs in the territory of the former Russian Empire have to feed?