In FSVTS told about the timing of the transfer of the Indian Navy two frigates of project 11356

In FSVTS told about the timing of the transfer of the Indian Navy two frigates of project 11356

Two frigates of project 11356, which are being built for the Indian Navy at the Baltic shipyard Yantar, will be transferred to the customer before the end of the first half of 2024. This was reported by TASS with reference to the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS).


The deadline for the transfer of the Indian Navy to frigates of project 11356, being built at the Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad, in accordance with the work plans available and agreed by the parties, is determined until the end of the first half of 2024

- said the representative of the service.

Two more frigates will be built at Goa Shipyard Ltd, an Indian shipyard, but the laying of ships will take place only after the shipyard is equipped.

For the production of ships, it is necessary to equip the Indian shipyard, develop and deliver the necessary documentation, train Indian specialists, including during the construction of ships at the Russian shipyard

- the agency cites the words of the representative of the FSVTS.

As previously reported, Russia and India signed a contract to build four frigates of project 11356 for the Indian Navy. According to the agreements, two frigates will be built at the Yantar Baltic Shipyard, and two will be built at the state shipyards of India in Goa. The hull of two frigates Admiral Butakov and Admiral Istomin will be used in the construction of the "Russian" pair of frigates, the construction of which was suspended due to the lack of propulsion systems that had previously arrived from Ukraine. Another hull should be sent to an Indian shipyard.

The Indian Navy already has six frigates of Project 11356; after the construction of a new batch, their number will increase to ten. The composition of the naval fleet The Russian Federation includes only three frigates of the "admiral series."
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  1. Orkraider 8 February 2020 17: 06 New
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    A good way out of a deadlock.
    And they got rid of the "suitcase without a handle", and loaded the shipyard. The cases were occupied, the equipment supplied for them was idle, and 11356 were considered a temporary replacement due to a delay from 20350. Now that it’s worked out with them, it’s better to stamp them.
    I hope with the money from this contract, they will lay a couple more 20350 wink

    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 8 February 2020 18: 51 New
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      The frigates of project 11356 after in 2014 the manufacturer of gas turbine power plants remained behind the front line specifically hung. The only option was to sell to India. And the project 22350 frigates could assemble engines. Initially, Saturn made turbines, Kolomna made diesel engines, then it was sent to Zorya, which added its gearbox and gas generator, tested the assembly in its assembly and testing complex of gas turbine engines and units, and sent it to St. Petersburg. The gas turbines were developed by Saturn and were tested as early as zero (they were shown at various exhibitions since 2009), it was necessary to build a test bench and replace some of the components made in Ukraine. Including it was necessary to import not so much a turbine, but a Ukrainian gearbox, which is part of the DGTU. The gearbox on the "Star" began to play only in 2014. To date, they have made a turbine; an assembly and testing complex of gas turbine engines and units (gas turbine engines and gas turbine engines) for offshore programs has built the production of ship gas turbine engines. Reduced test process.
      1. Orkraider 8 February 2020 22: 12 New
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        hi
        I agree with you.
        There was a proposal related to the use of new Saturn M70MFRU engines, however, they would have to be put in four on a ship due to less power, and redesigned the internal compartments of the ship's hull. And since the two buildings are ready, I would have to rebuild them ..
        Yes, to whom I am telling you this, you know it better than me. lol
        So, the current situation is extremely successful for us. Sold, not cut.
        Have a good day drinks
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 9 February 2020 10: 45 New
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          Have a nice day too drinks In my opinion, if you do it from scratch, it’s more difficult to create a power plant for 11356 than the 22350 power plant, if not by orders of magnitude. 2 gas turbine engines and gas turbine engines + diesel - the difference is cosmic. Taking into account the fact that a gas turbine engine should still turn out, which has happened extremely rarely in the history of mankind, since mankind has not yet come up with more complicated things from an engineering and technological point of view, the likelihood that it will turn out at once two things and even they will be normal together work tends to zero. Given the fact that the power plant for 22350 percent was 80 and so was ours, the difference turns into almost infinity.
          Photos of unfinished hulls of frigates of project 11356 Admiral Butakov and Admiral Istomin

  2. Lamata 8 February 2020 17: 09 New
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    Remarkably, they scream that the fleet is small, and the Indians lost the hull of frigates
    1. Borik 8 February 2020 17: 25 New
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      Remarkably, they scream that the fleet is small, and the Indians lost the hull of frigates


      And why do we need them without power plants. Do you think that Ukrainians will start supplying them to us in the near future. Do not wait. That's why it was better to sell them so as not to rot against the wall.
      1. Lamata 8 February 2020 18: 42 New
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        Ok, sold it, sold it, a penny to the budget
        1. Omskgasmyas 9 February 2020 14: 16 New
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          Not so much to the budget as the funds spent by shipbuilders will unfreeze
    2. Orkraider 8 February 2020 17: 46 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      Remarkably, they scream that the fleet is small, and the Indians lost the hull of frigates


      hi
      They would not sell if they could finish building. But for the sake of three ships, it made no sense to establish a replacement for gas turbines - all forces were thrown at 22350.

      Short:
      The situation for 12356 is as follows. The Rybinsk NPO Saturn, which replaces the import of Ukrainian engines, once submitted two proposals to the developers.
      The first provided for the use of two M90FR engines with a capacity of 27 thousand horsepower - they are equipped with frigates of project 22350 (of the Admiral Gorshkov type), now the serial production of such plants, also developed in Ukraine, has been mastered at Saturn. But for the sake of such engines will have to redesign the internal compartments of frigates of project 11356.
      The second proposal is related to the use of the new Saturn M70MFRU engines, but they will have to be put in four ships each due to less power.
      The disadvantages of both options are:
      - redesigning the internal compartments of the ship's hull;
      - the long production time of gas turbines (and project 22350 will have priority).
      1. Chaldon48 8 February 2020 17: 57 New
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        We need to start making power plants ourselves, then it will be possible to spit on the vagaries of Independence, and even better if it ceases to exist at all.
        1. Omskgasmyas 9 February 2020 14: 21 New
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          As for SU agree. Let Nezalezhalaya live as a showcase of democracy for all by example. I believe in Svidomo, they will not fail as the destroyers of everything and everyone.
  3. The leader of the Redskins 8 February 2020 17: 10 New
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    But still, how will the Indians solve the issue of power plants? Will they put ukroinsky or will an alternative be found?
    1. Thrifty 8 February 2020 17: 20 New
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      Nazarii, Indians easily buy power plants for themselves from uk-roiny, so why should they bathe with a replacement? UKRINE need the currency before the cut, and they will sell to the Indians how much they order.
    2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 8 February 2020 18: 17 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Will they put ukroinsky or will an alternative be found?

      In March 2019, four gas turbine units M7N-1E produced by the Nikolaev GP NPKG Zorya - Mashproekt (two for each frigate, project 11356) with a customs value of $ 18,612 million were exported by sea to India.
      1. The leader of the Redskins 8 February 2020 18: 33 New
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        Thank you, clarified ... So, and "dawn" is burying too early ...
        1. donavi49 8 February 2020 19: 49 New
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          Dawning economically as a whole in chocolate - while the Chinese are riveting the fleet. Each QC-280 is built on the basis of a machine kit with Dawns (modified from UGT25000). Destroyer 055 - Requires 4 turbines. Destroyer 052D - 2 turbines. Their new frigate is 2 turbines. Their supplier of type 901 is 4 turbines.

          A complete chain, now provide the Indians, but not these frigates, but their own orders. For example, in each of the 4 embedded destroyers 15B - 4 turbines purchased at Zora.

          Here is the head building under the background of the descent of Scorpen.
          1. The leader of the Redskins 8 February 2020 19: 53 New
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            Thank. Not a sailor, I did not know the subtleties, but I regularly read that without orders of the Russian fleet the “choir” cannot live ..
  4. Vladimir_2U 8 February 2020 17: 11 New
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    And we need ships, and we also need funds, which means we need to build for export, but the funds could be raised with progressive ones, and at the expense of Gazprom and Rosneft, it’s a pity that this is unrealistic.
  5. Sergei 777 8 February 2020 17: 25 New
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    The Indian Navy already has six frigates of Project 11356; after the construction of a new batch, their number will increase to ten. The Russian Navy includes only three frigates

    A shame
    1. paul3390 8 February 2020 17: 36 New
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      Well, apparently India is a much richer country than the Russian Federation, if it has significantly more of our weapons than ours .. And the ships, and Sushki, and new tanks. And we are beggars, we can’t do it ..
  6. Old Horseradish 8 February 2020 17: 34 New
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    I still don’t understand whom the club of oligarchs is raising from its knees: Russia or India? Judging by the message, India.
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 8 February 2020 18: 08 New
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      In the fall of 2018, Moscow and New Delhi signed a package of contracts that included the supply and production of Russian frigates of the 11356 project in India. To date, there are three unfinished frigates of the 11356 project at Amber — Butakov, Istomin, and Kornilov. Two cases of them are made with an engine room for Ukrainian turbines. They were sold to the Indians. Remaking the engine rooms of the frigates of the 11356 project alive, with the unification of energy with 22350, was too expensive. Hindus didn’t really want to buy our frigates, but on April 17 of 2018, a major accident occurred at the Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers (GRSE) Indian shipyard in Kolkata as a result of the collapse of the main Goliath 250 ton gantry crane. The crane collapsed on the hull of the head frigate of the new 17A project being built at GRSE for the Indian Navy, significantly damaging the ship under construction. The collapsed crane, having a height of 47 m and a span of 116 m, completely blocked both dry construction docks of the GRSE, in addition, the hull workshop was badly damaged (Module Hall), where hull blocks were formed for frigates of the 17A project.
      https://topwar.ru/141096-razdavilo-kranom-v-rezultate-avarii-serezno-postradal-nedostroennyy-indiyskiy-fregat.html
      1. The leader of the Redskins 8 February 2020 18: 35 New
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        Indians did not read the covenants ... Otherwise, they wouldn’t call the crane Goliath)
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 8 February 2020 18: 38 New
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          In Russia, by the way, also in the Far East, a Goliath crane was installed at the shipyard Zvezda under construction. Watch the video to what Putin brought the country.
          1. The leader of the Redskins 8 February 2020 19: 10 New
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            Beautiful movie ...
  7. Alexey from Perm 8 February 2020 17: 44 New
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    But what about import substitution?
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 8 February 2020 18: 10 New
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      At 11356 no one ordered domestic gas turbines. Today we have three unfinished frigates at Yantar - Butakov, Istomin and Kornilov. Cases are made with an engine room for Ukrainian turbines. They are being sold to the Indians.
  8. knn54 8 February 2020 17: 55 New
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    For the Russian Navy, frigates of project 22350 are being built with gas turbine units manufactured by UEC - Saturn (Rybinsk).
    1. Alexey from Perm 8 February 2020 22: 47 New
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      and which are more powerful our Ukrainian?
    2. Boar38 11 February 2020 02: 54 New
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      In fact, it’s rubbish ... Previously, frigates were built in Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg, now only in St. Petersburg, which is not going to upgrade the Russian fleet to the benefit, since the matter of replacing old ships with new ones has slowed down
  9. lopuhan2006 8 February 2020 23: 02 New
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    Finally it was resolved. For us, the best way out. There was no point in building an intermediate series with major changes to the three buildings. In addition, it seems like 350 began to enter. At the moment, 3 Essen, Moscow and RTOs and 6 years old will perform their function for 636-10 at the very least, and there you look and you will decide on a new concept. If China and NATO introduce hypersound, then the defense of existing ships will go into the furnace, and this is a complete revision of tactics and the introduction of new types of air defense.
    1. Volder 5 March 2020 13: 40 New
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      For the defense of ships from hypersonic missiles, the S-500 is simply oversized, as the S-300 was oversized at one time. The S-500 will be capable of shooting down hypersonic targets.
  10. lopuhan2006 5 March 2020 22: 49 New
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    Quote: Volder
    For the defense of ships from hypersonic missiles, the S-500 is simply oversized, as the S-300 was oversized at one time. The S-500 will be capable of shooting down hypersonic targets.

    ??? And what to put them on? Are you seriously? To the corvettes? 350? So there is a numbed Vityaz. Wait for the Leaders? By the time they are introduced, the strategy will change 2-3 times. To date, there is no development of lasers and other alternatives to traditional types of air defense.