What is the Su-57 fighter superior to the F-35: some comparative parameters


In the global arms market, the latest fifth generation aircraft - the Russian Su-57 and the American F-35 - have already become serious competitors. Both fighters have their pros and cons, with Russian experts emphasizing the superiority of the Su-57, and American - F-35, which is also quite natural.


Not so long ago in the American magazine The National Interest appeared voluminous critical article about the Su-57. Its author assiduously argues that even the deployment of the Su-57 in Syria does not yet indicate that the new Russian aircraft is ready for serial production. The magazine cites aviation expert Tom Cooper, who believes that in Syria, Russia endangered the lives of fighter pilots, since the Su-57 is still a "prototype." But are these words true in relation to the new Russian aircraft?

To begin with, when the Su-57 was being “run-in” in Syria, not a single radar station of the probable enemy was able to detect it. It says something. By the way, the F-35, unlike the Su-57, was detected not only by Russian radar systems, but also by aircraft, which indicates a high degree of visibility of the American fighter.

One of the surest criteria for aircraft reliability is its evaluation by potential buyers. Turkey acquired the Russian S-400 air defense systems, after which the United States banned the delivery of the F-35 fighter to this country. However, they were not afraid in Ankara and stated that they could very well buy Su-57 from Russia, since the aircraft was not inferior to the F-35 in technical specifications, and its cost would be much more profitable.

However, the other day, Recep Erdogan said that Turkey will nevertheless develop its own fifth-generation TF-X aircraft, which, according to the president’s ambitious plans, can be done by 2023. However, the position of Turkish sources regarding the comparison of the Su-57 and F-35 deserves attention.

Turkish news agency Anadolu published an infographic comparing two aircraft. According to the Turks, the Russian Su-57 has a clear superiority over the F-35 in the following indicators: maximum flight speed (2600 km / h in the Su-57 versus 1931 km / h in the F-35), permissible combat load (10 tons in the Su -57 vs. 8,16 tons for the F-35), maximum take-off weight (35,48 tons for the Su-57 versus 31,751 tons for the F-35). As for the flight duration, here the Russian aircraft is almost twice as large as the American fighter - the Su-57 can fly 5,8 hours, and the F-35 - only 2,36 hours. The undoubted advantage of the Su-57 is also called its high maneuverability.

What is the Su-57 fighter superior to the F-35: some comparative parameters

Some experts, speaking about the shortcomings of the Su-57, pay attention to its lower stealth compared to the American F-35 fighter. But. as one of the authors of The National Interest rightly noted, the Su-57 does not prioritize the deep penetration of enemy airspace and ground attacks, so stealth is not a defining characteristic for him. The task of the Su-57 is completely different - the achievement of superiority in the air and the fight against enemy air targets. And in this direction, the Su-57 remains an unsurpassed aircraft, comparing favorably with its American competitor.

In addition, the Su-57 is equipped with radars with an active phased array antenna that control airspace for hundreds of kilometers. The F-35, like the F-22, does not have such a radar, which is also evidence of the superiority of the Russian fighter over the American.


True, the undoubted advantage of the F-35 is its ability to shorten takeoff and landing. This is due to the fact that American designers always focus on the ability to adapt the aircraft to aircraft carrier-based. For Russia, which has the only aircraft carrier (and even that is still under repair), this characteristic of the aircraft is not of particular importance.

Now the most important issue is financing the program for creating the Su-57, making changes after the accident at the end of last year. If the Russian state finds the necessary funds, then the aircraft will go into serial production in the foreseeable future, which means it can be delivered both to the Russian Aerospace Forces and to the world aircraft market.
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    1. lucul 8 February 2020 10: 54 New
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      Ilya Polonsky Honored Investigator?

      this is not a comparison of fighters but a comparison of two plates of pieces of paper

      We won again. It took only one hat Polonsky.

      Again Polonsky .... Compare aircraft of different classes - bad manners. Su-57 must be compared with the F-22. Yes, and it’s too early ... But the author shows an "analytical itch."

      Victory again before lunch

      Not all of Haifa is still noted in the topic, oh, not all)))))
      1. Winnie76 8 February 2020 12: 08 New
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        Quote: lucul
        Not all of Haifa is still noted in the topic, oh, not all)))))

        For some reason I remembered:
        - Jews are better than Armenians.
        - The better?
        - Than the Armenians
    2. 1959ain 8 February 2020 11: 31 New
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      said
      [quoteIn addition, the Su-57 is equipped with radars with an active phased array antenna that control airspace for hundreds of kilometers. The F-35, like the F-22, does not have such a radar, which is also evidence of the superiority of the Russian fighter over the American.
      ] [/ quote] And this phrase is ingenious, said so said, F-35, it was necessary to say that there is generally antediluvian radar
    3. Boris Ivanov 8 February 2020 11: 43 New
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      "On the global arms market, the latest fifth-generation aircraft - the Russian Su-57 and the American F-35 - have already become serious competitors."
      - the author you are sure that they are competitors in the global arms market ?? if you do not mind calculating how much the FU-35 is sold and how many are sold on the Su-57 world market. you need to think what we write .. sometimes.
      RS. "fool" is another, not an article.
      1. Mishutka 8 February 2020 12: 26 New
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        Quote: Boris Ivanov
        RS. "fool" is another, not an article.

        Another Russophobe - a quack? Only Russophobes, Jews and those with the "Square" put such positive likes ... Do not forget the competitors in terms of parameters and their capabilities!
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      3. The leader of the Redskins 8 February 2020 16: 59 New
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        Indeed, what exactly the Su 57 exceeded the F35, so it is in the number of publications and comparisons with other aircraft. That's what not to take away ...
      4. zenion 9 February 2020 16: 11 New
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        While the superiority in sales is in small fish, large ones are caught less.
  2. Chieftain 8 February 2020 10: 12 New
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    this is not a comparison of fighters but a comparison of two plates of pieces of paper
  3. Cowbra 8 February 2020 10: 15 New
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    Point one is better. Su-57 - bring to mind. F-35 - no. As there were 700 structural deficiencies, 600 remained. And the semi-finished product was driven into the army. "Limited" he is combat ready. "Freshness is one - the first, it’s the last! If the sturgeon is of the second freshness, it means that it is rotten"
    So even this is not so bad. There, in the Air Force, not one F-35 can not pass state acceptance, but it is supplied to the troops. For example, exactly the same byak with a KS-46 tanker. 30 pieces in the army, but they can’t work!
    The US Air Force is extremely dissatisfied with the Boeing’s proposals regarding the refinement of the “remote [tele] vision" system for the refueling operator on the milking Pegasus KS-46. In fact, due to the inability of the operator to work normally in a combat situation, the Air Force is already thinking about an “alternative” for the KS-46. At least about private contractors, at least for non-combat conditions ...
    On the third day, the US Air Force specifically abandoned the plans proposed by Boeing to refine the television system. Boeing agreed to bring the system software package at its own expense and ... in just three to four years. And the Air Force has already taken 30 "Pegasus" and will take it further, not even knowing when they have reached full "combat readiness"!

    So the unfinished F-35 will be refueled by an unfinished Boeing ... The riddle - who will crash first ...
    The second minus of the F-35 ... It’s not enough that it is structurally underdeveloped, so it is also collected by crank hooks in one place!
    Lockheed here admitted that when assembling a large number of F-35s, instead of the titanium bolts laid, "because of confusion," they screwed stainless steel bolts into them. How they could be confused is very interesting - both the weight is different and the appearance of a stainless steel confused with matt titanium is somehow not ice. Most likely the replacement was at the peak of the scandal with the "Russian" titanium. “Lockheed” declares that all by: “She is a stainless steel.” However, titanium fasteners are not accidentally used for composite elements - and for thermal expansion. and due to the absence of mutual corrosion, this is an optimal pair. How the steel fitting will behave over time - the devil knows.
    1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 8 February 2020 14: 27 New
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      > Riddle-who first collapses.

      So guessed already, sort of. Something bad happened in December with the first serial 57th, maybe they heard.
      1. Cowbra 8 February 2020 14: 28 New
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        No, they heard about how the Japanese drowned on the F-35 due to the fact that one of the 600 structural flaws - with the supply of oxygen - was not corrected or planned by anyone. Well, yes it’s nothing, there’s still a lot of Japanese
        1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 8 February 2020 14: 31 New
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          3 wrecks for how much there, 300k of the total fleet of the park? 57th 10k hours already flew all together? You can extrapolate the number of shortcomings yourself; Konashenkov is embarrassed to tell something.
          1. Cowbra 8 February 2020 14: 34 New
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            One general crash in the Russian Federation. and not a serial, but a prototype, which in order to break it is needed. And repeated prohibitions of flights on the F-35 ... However, it’s enough that the F-35 is not accepted for service at all - the tests are again overwhelmed, it’s not a combat plane at all, but a pump for money.
            And yet - the disaster occurred due to the well-known structural jamb. If the Japanese were not slaves, they would have ruined Lockheed for it.
            1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 8 February 2020 14: 37 New
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              > not a serial, but a prototype
              it’s not serial anymore, it will soon become clear that it’s not the 57th at all, so the modelers’ circle at the factory started something, they’ve already heard

              > F-35 is not adopted at all
              You would already be out of 2016, it’s boring there

              > Lockheed would have been busted for this
              again, a Russian patriot considers other people's money a hobby?

              What is there with a raid?
              1. IS-80_RVGK2 9 February 2020 22: 05 New
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                Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                again, a Russian patriot considers other people's money a hobby?

                But why not actually? smile
      2. Ka-52 10 February 2020 13: 09 New
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        So guessed already, sort of. Something bad happened in December with the first serial 57th, maybe they heard.

        for such idolaters of American technology as you information: the first F-35 ended its life even if it crashed 6 years ago. But you continue to chew on the theme of the Su-57 crashed in December
        1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 11 February 2020 12: 46 New
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          Please read on and tell me how much fleet 35x flew by the time of the first accident. It makes sense to speak of idolatry after this.
    2. Octopus 8 February 2020 15: 40 New
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      Quote: Cowbra
      As there were 700 design flaws, 600 remained

      These 600 deficiencies in the case of Su - 57 are divided into
      1. Undetected
      2. "And what, is this a flaw?"

      We are taking this for a real existing imaginary Su-57. A real Su-57 has 2 (two) flaws.
      1. There is no engine.
      2. There is no avionics.
      1. Ka-52 10 February 2020 13: 17 New
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        Octopus February 8, 2020 15:40
        1. There is no engine.
        2. There is no avionics.

        you consume less and then stop confusing hallucinations and reality. laughing
        probably in your dream world the Su-57 rises exclusively by the power of thought laughing and the pilot, for the lack of airborne systems, determines the course by the sun and by the heroic raising of his salient finger to the sky laughing
        1. Octopus 10 February 2020 13: 29 New
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          You, I see, do not know about this project at all?
      2. EvilLion 10 February 2020 16: 01 New
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        If he does not have an engine, then climb into the nozzle, and we will try to start a non-existent engine. Since there is no engine, nothing threatens you.
        1. Octopus 10 February 2020 16: 52 New
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          Evgeny Vaganovich, hello. How do you feel?
  4. smaug78 8 February 2020 10: 15 New
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    Again Polonsky .... Compare aircraft of different classes - bad manners. Su-57 must be compared with the F-22. Yes, and it’s too early ... But the author shows an "analytical itch."
    1. Lipchanin 8 February 2020 10: 45 New
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      Quote: smaug78
      Compare aircraft of different classes - Moveton

      So it’s Turks who are comparing, not us
      Turkish news agency Anadolu published an infographic comparing two aircraft.
      1. smaug78 8 February 2020 14: 11 New
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        Polonsky Turk? laughing
        1. Lipchanin 8 February 2020 17: 19 New
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          Quote: smaug78
          Polonsky Turk?

          For those in the tank
          Turkish News Agency Anadolu published an infographic comparing two aircraft.
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            For those clever: Polonsky published Turkish nonsense laughing
            1. Lipchanin 8 February 2020 18: 45 New
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              Quote: smaug78
              Polonsky published Turkish nonsense

              For those who did not understand.
              And it is up to us to decide, delirium, or not delirium.
              For this, and laid out
              And most importantly, he is not the author of this article in, Anadolu
              1. smaug78 8 February 2020 18: 48 New
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                Us Emperor Sergey I? laughing
                1. Lipchanin 8 February 2020 18: 50 New
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                  Quote: smaug78
                  Us Emperor Sergey I?

                  Ale, the tankman, WE are forum users
                  1. smaug78 8 February 2020 18: 53 New
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                    Yes, for God's sake, you can compare to hell with a finger. Only a comparison of cars of different classes, one of which has not yet been adopted, is obvious stupidity ...
                    1. Lipchanin 8 February 2020 18: 57 New
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                      And I did not compare.
                      Look at the branch.
                      And he wrote only that they had accidentally run into a person, he simply took the data from the Turkish publication.
                      There also
                      Not so long ago in an american magazine The National Interest
                      1. smaug78 8 February 2020 18: 59 New
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                        If a person publishes the stupidity of others in the "Analytics" section, then what kind of analyst is he?)))
                      2. Lipchanin 8 February 2020 19: 00 New
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                        I read in the News section
  5. YOUR 8 February 2020 11: 05 New
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    You can not compare them at all. We have not a single one in the troops and it is not known whether they will have F-22s being prepared to be decommissioned. F-35 is already about half a thousand and another 493 ordered will be delivered until 2024. We promised (!!!!!!!) until 2030 to deliver as many as 76 pieces.
    The same nonsense as with T14 tanks. They’ve been riding parades for years, but they haven’t reached the military tests.
  • 7,62h54 8 February 2020 10: 16 New
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    We won again. It took only one hat Polonsky.
  • Magic archer 8 February 2020 10: 24 New
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    A strange comparison, to be honest. If we compare Su then with the equal in the weight category, F 22. And so, this is at the kindergarten level. Who is stronger than Tyson or Bruce Lee.
    1. Lipchanin 8 February 2020 10: 45 New
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      Quote: Magic Archer
      Who is stronger than Tyson or Bruce Lee.

      Whale or elephant lol
      1. andrewkor 8 February 2020 12: 13 New
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        Oska knows from Conduit and Swabrania!
    2. figwam 8 February 2020 11: 21 New
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      Quote: Magic Archer
      If we compare Su then with the equal in the weight category-F 22.

      So here there will be a comparison of the incorrect F-22 clean fighter, but the Su-57 is multifunctional, it works both for air targets and on the ground, in the USA for these purposes you need to raise the F-22 and F-35.
  • Avior 8 February 2020 10: 29 New
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    . Turkish news agency Anadolu
    in Russian?!
    This is a very Turkish agency, it seems
    Is it designed for Russian Turks? smile
    All that was possible
    The statement that the F-35 and F-22 did not have radar with AFAR, like the Su-57, smiled especially.
    From the article, it is not clear only who gave birth to such a perennial interest, some “some experts” or the author himself? smile
    1. lucul 8 February 2020 10: 56 New
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      The statement that the F-35 and F-22 did not have radar with AFAR, like the Su-57, smiled especially.

      For those who are in the tank - it's about LATER radar)))
      And they are neither on the F-35, nor on the F-22)))
      1. Avior 8 February 2020 12: 11 New
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        There is not a word there about the "side radar"
        However, maybe you have glasses with augmented reality, they themselves add what is not in the article request
      2. nickname7 8 February 2020 13: 17 New
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        The structure of the radio-electronic complex F-35 includes:

        Multifunctional radar with active phased antenna array of the second generation AN / APG-81, which is equally effective in detecting targets both on the ground and in the air.

        Electron-optical system AN / AAQ-37, which includes six infrared sensors located on different sides of the fuselage. It allows you to determine the launch of ballistic missiles at a distance of 1300 km, provides navigation when piloting both during the day and at night, warns the pilot of a rocket attack, determines the location of anti-aircraft guns, finds air targets and accompanies them.

        Passive multidirectional infrared camera CCD-TV with high resolution, which can carry out target designation at significant distances, to find enemy objects on the ground and in the air. She also warns the pilot about the irradiation of an airplane with a laser beam.
        Individual Noise Setup System AN / ASQ-239.

        The target designation and display system, which is integrated into the pilot's helmet and allows him to control the machine with the help of head and eye movement. The F-35 pilot's helmet can be called unique in general: it allows the pilot to see literally through the cabin. This ability is provided by a large number of video sensors located on the fuselage of the machine. Also, systems are installed in the helmet, which, using image and sound extraction, inform the pilot about the flight conditions.
        The cockpit is equipped with a PCD widescreen touchscreen display, which displays information related to the flight and operation of fighter systems. Also it displays the locations of enemy air defense systems and possible routes of their bypass.
        A voice recognition system with which the pilot can control some F-35 systems.
        The fighter is equipped with a range of advanced aiming and communication systems. These include the Link 16 communications suite, often referred to as the “heavenly Internet”.
        1. os -in 8 February 2020 15: 57 New
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          Helmet pilot F-35
    2. EnGenius 8 February 2020 11: 22 New
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      This is the Turks misunderstood. We are talking about additional radars in the wings of the Su-57, which allow you to detect planes around, including stealth, as the radar works in a slightly different range than the main one. This allows you to avoid many tactics with the entry of vrazhin from the flanks and taking "pincers".
    3. Mishutka 8 February 2020 13: 04 New
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      Quote: Ilya Polonsky
      In addition, the Su-57 is equipped with radars with an active phased array, that control airspace for hundreds of kilometers. The F-35, like the F-22, does not have such a radar, which is also evidence of the superiority of the Russian fighter over the American.

      Illiterate Avior and the like! Learn Russian Language and do not write nonsense! Detection range of radar N036 "Squirrel" Su-57 D = 400 km with Image intensifier tubes
      1 m2
      and the radar AN / APG-81 (AN / APG-77 F-22) F-35 detects a target with Image intensifier = 3 m2 on distance D = 300 km. The author is completely right in his expression.
      1. Avior 8 February 2020 13: 25 New
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        Oh, the expert got out
        Most of the characteristics are still unknown; it is assumed that the detection range of targets with an EPR of 1 m² will be 400 km [source not specified 785 days],

        785 days no one can indicate on Wikipedia where this figure about "Squirrel" came from, but then half an hour ago Mishutka registered with VO with three comments and instructions on who and what to teach and what not to write and everything fell into place ....
        1. Mishutka 8 February 2020 14: 13 New
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          Uneducated Avior (Sergey)! More recently, you could not explain to one forum member VO what radar resolution is, and you completely showed your ignorance about the side lobes of the directional pattern of the radar antenna system and how they affect the radar. To my question: "How to eliminate their influence?". You could not answer ... Therefore, learn the materiel and the great Russian Language!
          And here is a source of information about the N036 "Squirrel" Su-57 radar:
          https://docviewer.yandex.ru/view/0/?*=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%3D&lang=ru

          Leave your illiterate tales to yourself, sofa "literate"! Radar AN / APG-81 (AN / APG-77 F-22) F-35 detects the target with image intensifier = 1m2 on distance D = 227,964 km and compare with the radar "Squirrel" Su-37 D = 400 km for purposes with Image intensifier = 1 m2. Far American radar from AFU to Russian radar. The author of the article is completely right.
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          2. Mishutka 8 February 2020 15: 50 New
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            Sorry, a little opposition ... This does not affect the result. AN / APG-81 (77) F-35 Information
            (F-22) are taken from the above mentioned site, and about the Squirrel N036 radar from other sites (in mind) - I will indicate later.
            With a detection range of D = 400 km for targets with an image intensifier of 3 m2, the Su-57 is superior to
            F-35 not only in range of detection, but also in range of use of missiles RVV-BD, R-37M with D = 300 km compared to
            AIM-120 D = 180 km and hypothetically destroys the F-35, which will not be able to reach the line of use of its long-range missile AIM-120. However, only a real air battle can allow everything!
            The detection range is everywhere indicated in free space ...
            1. Korax71 8 February 2020 18: 34 New
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              At p 37m everything is very controversial. Under ideal conditions, yes, 300km, but here the nuances begin. The GPS allows you to capture a target with an EPR of 1.5 m² from a distance of about 30-40 km, the range of the radio correction channel from the carrier is 100 km, then it switches to semi-active, radar homing, which disrupts the use of electronic warfare equipment well. well, and the rocket itself on the radar of an enemy pepelats will glow like a Christmas tree due to not a small EPR.
              1. Mishutka 8 February 2020 20: 37 New
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                Quote: Korax71
                On p 37m everything is very controversial. In ideal conditions, yes, 300km, but here the nuances begin.rgsn allows you to capture the target with epr 1.5m² from a distance of about 30-40 kmchannel range radio corrections from the carrier-100kmthen she goes to semi-active radar homingwhich use of electronic warfare equipment breaks down well. well, the rocket itself on the radar of the enemy pepelats will shine like a Christmas tree due to not shallow EPR.

                Korax71 (Alexander), data of the RRR-BD R-37M missile are given below with my calculation.
                The 9B-1103M-350 active radar homing head is designed for installation on air-to-air missiles designed to destroy planes, helicopters (including hovering ones), cruise and anti-radar missiles. 9B-1103M-350 is intended for installation on long-range aviation missiles of the RVV-BD and KS-172 type, and ground-to-air missiles.
                1. Target capture range with Image intensifier = 5 m2 more than 40 kmmeans goal with image intensifier = 1,5 m2 capture at range over 29,603 km, and the goal with image intensifier = 0,3 m2 (F-35) capture at range over 19,797 km. Range shown in free space.
                2. Work modes:
                a) fully autonomous (active) mode according to preliminary target designation without radar support in flight ("let-forget" mode) - the main mode,
                b) inertial guidance mode with radio correction,
                c) reprogramming mode.
                3. The image intensifier R-37M is only 0,04 - 0,05 m2. This is a very small image intensifier tube, less than that of the F-35 (image intensifier = 0,3 m2 - average).
                Therefore you are a little wrong!
          3. Engineer Schukin 9 February 2020 09: 55 New
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            Where did the data in the article come from?
        2. Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 February 2020 14: 28 New
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          where did this figure about "Squirrel" come from

          400 is a number, not a number.
          It's amazing how you can not know such basic things.
  • NEXUS 8 February 2020 10: 30 New
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    Some experts, speaking about the shortcomings of the Su-57, pay attention to its lower stealth compared to the American F-35 fighter. But. as one of the authors of The National Interest rightly noted, the Su-57 does not prioritize the deep penetration of enemy airspace and ground attacks, so stealth is not a defining characteristic for him. The task of the Su-57 is completely different - the achievement of superiority in the air and the fight against enemy air targets. And in this direction, the Su-57 remains an unsurpassed aircraft, comparing favorably with its American competitor.

    Well, experts would have to look at what the SU-57 really is, in contrast to the F-35 and F-22.
    Lizard is a highly specialized fighter for gaining dominance in the air. F-35 - NOT a destroyer from the word at all. And if for a second we imagine that the main players in this market really got a 5th generation fighter, level SU-57, then against their background, the F-35 can claim the most, so it’s the role of some sort of attack aircraft or a light bomber.
    Now about what the SU-57 is. Su-57 is a multi-purpose strike fighter complex, capable of solving many problems, one of which, of course, includes gaining air supremacy. But, at the same time, it can perfectly work on the ground, be a complex of central administration, etc.
    As for these moronic comparisons of the “tiger” with the “mongoose”, the experts, both Chinese and mattresses, and even ours, need to understand one thing: comparing the SU-57 with the F-35 is ridiculous, stupid and unprofessional, because these are cars of completely different classes and levels.
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      Quote: NEXUS
      comparing the SU-57 with the F-35 is ridiculous, stupid and unprofessional, because these are machines of completely different classes and levels.

      It is completely logical to compare these planes, these are planes of the same class. Both countries had the task of creating a fifth-generation universal aircraft for working on air targets and on the ground, for the Americans this program was called JSF - a single strike fighter to replace the entire fleet of F-15-16-18, A-8-10 aircraft, with us PAKFA program is a promising front-line aviation complex. The Americans went the way of stealth, we go beyond maneuverability. The resumption of production in the USA F-15, which is already 50 years old, proves that the creation of a universal fighter did not work.
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      Quote: NEXUS
      Now about what the SU-57 is. Su-57 is a multi-purpose

      Only in your wet dreams. F-35 has been patrolling the Arctic for the second year already, and you even tell me the hours, hours and the total cost of the entire complex in the wet brochures of the air shows. COMPARISON))) Do you underestimate that unprepared merchandise and merchandise worth billions are TWO different things? laughing
      1. NEXUS 8 February 2020 12: 17 New
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        Only in your wet dreams.

        Only in your not quite smart head does the idea slip that they are buying the F-35 not because it is good, but because there is no alternative. The Chinese have a raw J20, our SU-57 is not ready. Che buy, dear, these NATO appendages?
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        COMPARISON)))

        Listen, wise guy, only such a MIRACLE as you can compare a ONE-MOTOR medium "fighter" with a TWO-MOTOR heavy multi-purpose fighter. Well, okay, comparator, comfort yourself with this wet crap further.
        1. Thunderbolt 8 February 2020 13: 11 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          Only in your not quite smart head does the idea slip that they are buying the F-35 not because it is good, but because there is no alternative. The Chinese have a raw J20, our SU-57 is not ready. Che buy, dear, these NATO appendages?

          I didn’t call you a fool at all =, but since you called yourself a fool, at least understand for the future that in a decent society it is customary to give questions for answers, la, la, la, etc. to the point of insanity, until the head comes off the pleasant dialogue. In your personal case, everything is very sad - for lack of facts you objected to the Chinese. But I just kindly asked for the technical characteristics of the products to compare. Agree that such an analysis would be in keeping with the spirit of the article, especially its title. sprinkle instead of clear information. You are so angry that, All good ones, in the English sector, there you go ---- cubes to the Gram / one, not two! If you boast against two against one, then you either never bought planes or never did not prepare two engines instead of one )))laughing
          Then why where are you in this article, since it is called "Crap"? K.G. give the technical characteristics of two products. One / one I already have ...))) / or go through the woods, because there are ravines, comrade. Ah, there is no market offer and there aren’t any in the own Air Force, but already won everyone! everyone was defeated, and in the Arctic, it’s not cardboard genleys flying, that’s sadness.
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          Quote: NEXUS
          Che buy, dear, these NATO appendages?

          F-15, F-16, F-18, Eurofighter, Rafal, Gripen.
      2. Leon68 8 February 2020 14: 16 New
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        Do you have any idea what the Arctic is (its length and area) and how “F-35 has been patrolling the Arctic for the second year now” with its “combat radius of flight”. Flying around Scandinavia and Alaska is not Arctic control. The gateway is not the whole street.
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          Quote: Leon68
          Flying around Scandinavia and Alaska is not Arctic control. The gateway is not the whole street.

          Quote: Leon68
          Flying around Scandinavia and Alaska is not Arctic control. The gateway is not the whole street.
          Oh, how smart!
          1. Control over the straits is the control over the entire region. Exits to the Pacific and Atlantic are blocked.
          2. The Arctic region itself does not have any military meaning. It is only a means of communication covered by permafrost.
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            That's just your idols so worried when the Russian Federation began to create its northern bases there. wassat
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      Quote: NEXUS
      Lizard is a highly specialized fighter for gaining dominance in the air.

      F-22 is it like the new Tomcat, who can’t hit the ground? Very interesting, thanks.
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    F-35 is an element of a complex network-centric system, where they constantly "communicate" with each other and require constant updating of computer programs.
    I wanted to install a new aviation missile on the F-35 - I need a new “software”. I quarreled with the USA, you won’t get the update. From this point of view, the Su-57 is not so "digitized" in what is the attractiveness for foreign consumers.
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      Quote: knn54
      F-35 is an element of a complex network-centric system, where they constantly "communicate" with each other and require constant updating of computer programs.

      This is his main Achilles heel. The computer can be turned off, burned, and so on ... and then this very expensive device will become a piece of iron that beautifully falls to the ground. Well, in the age of development of electronic warfare systems, cyber threats to the normal operation of a computer, etc., the F-35 cannot be considered either reliable, neither effective, nor even a fighter.
      1. Jack O'Neill 8 February 2020 11: 12 New
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        And how does electronic warfare affect computer performance?
        And yes, look at the cockpits of Russian 5Gn and 4 + / 4 ++ Gn aircraft, where the “glass cockpit” is also implemented.
        Do you want "alarms", hello old men Su-27S, but how much use is there to them today?
        Now it’s 2k20, not the 1970s ... without a compuctor nowhere.
        1. NEXUS 8 February 2020 11: 19 New
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          And yes, look at the cockpits of Russian 5Gn and 4 + / 4 ++ Gn aircraft, where the “glass cockpit” is also implemented.

          So what? You, dear, forget one very important point, no matter what flashlight the fighter is with, it is always seen by air defense systems.
          How did the generals of the United States say in which not yet the whole brain has turned into semolina? If the Russian Federation wants it, it will make the sky over Syria flightless and even sparrows will ask permission to fly.
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          Now it’s 2k20, not the 1970s ... without a compuctor nowhere.

          The fact is that, as I have said many times, the world is tired of warriors. And now you are arguing like an Anglo-Saxon, whom you don’t feed with bread, just let some particular country turn into dust with mountains of corpses.
          And by the way ... the effectiveness of the F-35 will be clear in real combat use against an equal enemy. Until that moment, you can at least throw yourself at mattress advertising leaflets about super-duper invisibility.
          1. Jack O'Neill 8 February 2020 11: 31 New
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            So what? You, dear, forget one very important point, no matter what flashlight the fighter is with, it is always seen by air defense systems.

            Certainly!

            How did the generals of the United States say in which not yet the whole brain has turned into semolina? If the Russian Federation wants it, it will make the sky over Syria flightless and even sparrows will ask permission to fly.

            If there is no opposition, then yes, without problems we will create such a zone.

            The fact is that, as I have said many times, the world is tired of warriors

            I do not agree. Wars were, are and will be. This is part of our human nature.


            And now you are arguing like an Anglo-Saxon, whom you don’t feed with bread, just let some particular country turn into dust with mountains of corpses.

            request

            And by the way ... the effectiveness of the F-35 will be clear in real combat use against an equal enemy.

            This is very unlikely.
            the problem is. that our planes buy 4 + Gn, not 5Gn. There are no contracts except with the videoconferencing. India generally scored a bolt, and we put a lot of effort into pushing an aircraft based on the Su-57 for the Indian Air Force.
            No one else is in a hurry to cooperate with us on the Su-57, there are no contracts with foreigners.
            So Lightning will fly against the MiG-35, Su-30, etc.

            Until that moment, you can at least throw yourself at mattress advertising leaflets about super-duper invisibility.

            Every night I smear them.)
            1. NEXUS 8 February 2020 11: 39 New
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              No one else is in a hurry to cooperate with us on the Su-57, there are no contracts with foreigners.

              But they will not be yet, as any professional buyer of weapons knows that the SU-57 is not ready yet. When the product 30 appears on the production machine, and the full arsenal for it, then the contracts will begin. There is no serial (in full) car yet.
              Quote: Jack O'Neill
              So Lightning will fly against the MiG-35, Su-30, etc.

              Even against these machines, the F-35 has very few chances. Well, this device is not imprisoned for aerial battles with a relatively equal enemy. I repeat-F-35 at best is an attack aircraft (and even with the prefix nedo, since the combat load he has is so-so).
              And when it finally dawned on the mattresses that they had no replacement for the F-22, which the F-35 was supposed to be, what did they do? and present.
              1. Jack O'Neill 8 February 2020 11: 59 New
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                But they will not be yet, as any professional buyer of weapons knows that the SU-57 is not ready yet.

                If the product is interesting, then orders go even before it is completely ready.

                Well, this device is not imprisoned for aerial battles with a relatively equal enemy

                This is a stealth fighter-bomber, i.e. - wagon. He can destroy both ground combat and ground targets. He has everything for this. Yes, this is not his horse, like his elder brother, the Reptor, but this does not mean that he cannot fight with equal opponents.
                There is a radar, there are missiles, there is a "glass cabin". Its minus is the maximum speed. But this is not an interceptor. The same Phantom II is faster, yes ...

                I repeat-F-35 at best is an attack aircraft (and even with the prefix nedo, since he has so-so combat load).

                And the attack aircraft too. I’m writing a station wagon.
                And what about his combat load? What's wrong? Maximum for 9t (22.000 pounds).
                MiG-35th - 7t. Well this is for an example.

                And when the mattresses finally realized that they had no replacement for the F-22, which was supposed to be the F-35, what did they do?

                Lightning was not supposed to replace the Raptors. In general, nothing, even in theory. Completely different planes

                That's right, they continued the deep modernization of the F-15, which is undoubtedly one of the most successful fighters not only of the last century, but also of the present.

                We decided to upgrade a good aircraft, as we did (Su-35). I see nothing of this.
                1. NEXUS 8 February 2020 12: 09 New
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                  If the product is interesting, then orders go even before it is completely ready.

                  Not in this case, since the engines of the second stage are not ready, avionics is also being modernized, and the arsenal is being tested. And also a new device for him was drawn in the form of a Hunter. So, I think, they are waiting until the equipment will be as complete as possible.
                  Quote: Jack O'Neill
                  This is a stealth fighter-bomber, i.e. - wagon.

                  I repeat-F-35 and the word fighter in one sentence can’t stand. It’s anything, just not a fighter. For me it’s a pre-attack and non-bomber.
                  Quote: Jack O'Neill
                  Its minus is the maximum speed.

                  Not only ... and the range and very complicated control that some pilots have a roof going.
                  Quote: Jack O'Neill
                  I’m writing a station wagon.

                  This plane is not a station wagon ... or rather, it can do everything a little, and everything is bad. If this is universal, then yes, crocodiles fly, the current is low and low.
                  Quote: Jack O'Neill
                  Lightning was not supposed to replace the Raptors.

                  Initially, this is exactly what mattresses claimed. After the concept, they changed it several times. The F-35 was originally created as a fighter for gaining dominance in the air, and that is why then from each iron it was heard about its EPR of 0,00000001 m, which supposedly provided him with impunity and invisibility for any detection systems.
                  1. Jack O'Neill 8 February 2020 12: 22 New
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                    Not in this case, since the engines of the second stage are not ready, avionics is also being modernized, and the arsenal is being tested. And also a new device for him was drawn in the form of a Hunter. So, I think, they are waiting until the equipment will be as complete as possible.

                    So how can you compare the Su-57 with something, if the weapons, aircraft, engine, and even a hand drone are not ready?
                    In general, then it can not be compared with anything.

                    I repeat-F-35 and the word fighter in one sentence can’t stand. It’s anything, just not a fighter. For me it’s a pre-attack and non-bomber

                    Why do you think so?

                    Not only ... and the range and very complicated control that some pilots have a roof going.

                    The radius, as for a light fighter, is quite normal, plus refueling.
                    About the fact that the pilots of the roof goes with Lightning, I read for the first time. Excuse me for not taking your word for it.)

                    This plane is not a station wagon ... or rather, it can do everything a little, and everything is bad. If this is universal, then yes, crocodiles fly, the current is low and low.

                    Yes, this is versatility. For example, an analogy with F / A-18 and F-14 can be drawn.

                    Initially, this is exactly what mattresses claimed

                    Not stated.

                    After the concept was changed several times. The F-35 was originally created as a fighter for gaining dominance in the air, and that is why then from each iron it was heard about its EPR of 0,00000001 m, which supposedly provided him with impunity and invisibility for any detection systems.

                    Americans, they said that Lightning will replace the A-10, AV-8B and F-16. They did not talk about any replacement of the Raptor, nor about the F-15. And Eagles as a ra replaced Reptor.
                    1. NEXUS 8 February 2020 12: 27 New
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                      So how can you compare the Su-57 with something, if the weapons, aircraft, engine, and even a hand drone are not ready?

                      I wrote many times that all these comparisons are like children's games in the sandbox. The comparison was in Korea, in Vietnam ... when in real conditions our and mattress cars collided. The rest of the discussion is the persecution of a bald man on an Internet.
                      Quote: Jack O'Neill
                      The radius, as for a light fighter, is quite normal, plus refueling.

                      It is not light, but medium. And to refuel in combat conditions still need to be able to, because the tank itself as one big target.
                      I won’t even argue with the rest ... think so.
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                        I wrote many times that all these comparisons are like children's games in the sandbox. The comparison was in Korea, in Vietnam ... when in real conditions our and mattress cars collided. The rest of the discussion is the persecution of a bald man on an Internet

                        Taki agree.

                        It is not light, but medium. And to refuel in combat conditions still need to be able to, because the tank itself as one big target.
                        I won’t even argue with the rest ... think so.

                        Well, okay.)
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                    Quote: NEXUS
                    F-35 was created initially as a fighter to gain air supremacy

                    What? Who created it?
          2. Octopus 8 February 2020 15: 55 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            How did the generals of the United States say in which not yet the whole brain has turned into semolina?

            In the magazine national interest? Is Rush Tudey on air?
            Quote: NEXUS
            And by the way ... the effectiveness of the F-35 will be clear in real combat use against an equal enemy

            Jews understand, be patient.
        2. lucul 8 February 2020 11: 21 New
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          And how does electronic warfare affect computer performance?

          And how do you think your computer communicates with other airplanes / objects using signal flags?
          Here is the connection and reading information, EW then hacks - it's a shame not to know ....
          Oh yes, you have almost no electronic warfare, how do you know))))
          1. Jack O'Neill 8 February 2020 11: 33 New
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            And how do you think your computer communicates with other airplanes / objects using signal flags?

            Well, jamming the radio signal is one thing, and influencing the operation of the compuctor is somewhat different.
            NEXUS wrote as if the work in the compuctor itself would be disrupted.
            I have already come across people who screamed with foam at their mouths that EWs would calmly burn my processor if they fly to my home.
    2. EnGenius 8 February 2020 11: 40 New
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      It was just built on the same principle of "digital board" with a universal electronic base that allows you to introduce new weapons without hardware configuration changes.
  • gmb
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    Victory again before lunch
  • K-50 8 February 2020 10: 43 New
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    On infographics, the maximum take-off mass and combat load are reversed. hi lol
  • Kabaev 8 February 2020 10: 52 New
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    The most important advantage of the Su-57 over the F-35 and even over the F-22 is that when it enters the army, American planes will be tattered and scratched, and our nonsense on which the fly has not yet spoiled)))
  • stalker 75 8 February 2020 10: 56 New
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    what is superior? Nothing for the F-35 serial aircraft in service! and drying when even at least in quantity to equal it? and now minus
    1. lucul 8 February 2020 11: 03 New
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      what is superior? NOTHING for the F-35 serial aircraft in service

      Probably not superior only in the comfort of the pilot's seat, and inferior in quality diapers, but otherwise better ...
      1. Korax71 8 February 2020 18: 41 New
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        As a joke about diapers already do not cause smiles, judging by the rating of your post. probably it's time to come up with something more interesting hi
  • Thunderbolt 8 February 2020 10: 58 New
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    In the global arms market, the latest fifth-generation aircraft - the Russian Su-57 and the American F-35 - have already become serious competitors
    Not. Not turned. They sell F and offer packages, but Su hasn’t even seen the Russian Air Force yet. They will appear, so it will be possible to compare A with B.A. on the arms market, such analytics looks doubly funnier. Bangladesh Air Force enslaved something there on the sidelines of an Asian air show, some unnamed sources referred to it and started rattling around the patriotic Internet / American website - like with IS ..., I think it’s fair that every news caught from civilian electronic version, it is necessary to legally obligate an increase --- according to the Pentagon network.\
    P.S. So far, the F-35 and the Russian Su can be compared only in this way --- air fleets of undetermined numbers are being formed in the western direction, because. the prepared Airfield network and support will be ready to serve the larger and denser NATO air units. In the Eastern direction, the mixed air groups of the US Air Force and its allies are strengthening. Under the guise of this threat, the Chinese Air Force is launching a large-scale rearmament of Generation 5 models for airplanes. It is worth noting that the PLA strategists continue to systematically build up the airfield network with support facilities in areas adjacent to the Russian-Chinese border, as well as the accelerated development of the Central Asian airfield network The PLA indicates the possible military intentions of our friendly neighbor.F-35 compare with Su is like Bf.109 and Yak -3 The first is already the armada hanging over our borders, and the second only fly around.
  • victor50 8 February 2020 11: 23 New
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    "On the global arms market, the latest fifth-generation aircraft - the Russian Su-57 and the American F-35 - have already become serious competitors."
    After this nonsense, is it worth continuing to read ?! request The article is not for VO. For the magazine "Murzilka"
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      Quote: victor50
      The article is not for VO. For the magazine "Murzilka"

      It is for VO, unfortunately.
      1. stepka_razin 9 February 2020 06: 21 New
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        Unfortunately, VO rolled down
        "In addition, the Su-57 is equipped with radars with an active phased array antenna that control airspace for hundreds of kilometers. The F-35, like the F-22, does not have such a radar, which is also evidence of the superiority of the Russian fighter over the American."
        Well, what can I say, in principle, now you can delete an article for disu
  • Yehudi Menuhin 8 February 2020 11: 30 New
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    The main advantage is that the 57th piece goods, almost manual work. And the 35th so, consumer goods, mass production
  • Zaurbek 8 February 2020 11: 34 New
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    According to F35, there are already some statistics on both operation and production and production costs. And released them under 500pcs. None of this is yet available on Su57. And already, it is unlikely that we will get an advantage in price. Because capitalism in the yard, a heavy fighter against a medium, two motor against a single-engine. By production in pieces of the 4th +++ generation, we lose in pieces of F35A. Given even less unification with us. SU34 / 30/35, INSTEAD OF LINK F22 / 35.
  • Engineer 8 February 2020 11: 41 New
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    A few words on the criterion of cost-effectiveness. And a clear example of economies of scale
    https://inosmi.ru/military/20180614/242475904.html
    To date, Russia has already delivered 14 Su-35S aircraft to China, the remaining 10 fighters will be delivered during this year. If you count on the amount prescribed in the contract, then on average one fighter costs our country more than 104 million dollars. The American F-35A stealth fighter as standard costs about $ 94,5 million. Thus, on average, the price of one Su-35 aircraft is higher than the American F-35 by $ 10 million. But these prices cannot be compared in any way, since under a contract with Russia, the cost of a fighter also includes personnel training, airborne weapons, engine spare parts, and equipment. And 94,5 million for the American F-35A is just the factory price without any additional trim levels.

    But two years have passed
    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/01/31/poland/
    Poland has signed a contract to purchase 32 fifth-generation F-35 fighters in the United States.
    The total value of the transaction amounted to $ 4,6 billion, one plane will cost Warsaw $ 87 million. The contract also includes pilot training, simulator supply and logistic support. The transfer to the Polish side of the first fighters is scheduled for 2026, the training of pilots will begin in 2024.

    At the moment, the F-35 is cheaper than the Su-35 by 15 million. Pilot training and logistics are already included in both.
    Su-57 should be much more expensive than Su-35. It turns out on the world market (but not in the sky!) With no chance against "lightning"
    1. Avior 8 February 2020 12: 01 New
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      Try to divide 4,6 billion into 32 units of supply.
      In a complex aircraft with everything else will cost about 150 million
      1. Engineer 8 February 2020 12: 47 New
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        I was wrong when I turned on logistics and the like in the 87 million indicated in the article. Explicitly not included.
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      And China supplied 1 piece of Su35C with either 2pcs, 4pcs roofing felts AL41 .... plus training, etc. This is a full contract.
    3. figwam 8 February 2020 12: 17 New
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      Quote: Engineer
      Currently, the F-35 is cheaper than the Su-35

      The cost of the Su-57 domestically at the rate of 35 million dollars.
      1. Engineer 8 February 2020 12: 50 New
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        I wrote about the world market.
        1. figwam 8 February 2020 12: 52 New
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          Quote: Engineer
          I wrote about the world market

          Su-57 has not yet been sold on the world market, when a contract is concluded then the price will be known.
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        The cost of the Su-57 domestically at the rate of 35 million dollars.

        Which means that pricing in the Russian defense industry remains Soviet.
        1. Engineer 8 February 2020 20: 17 New
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          This means that someone threw nonsense in the media and everyone chews it.
          Modern Russian technology is more and more expensive than gold. Secret military acceptance and monstrous overhead.
          The RSG19 connector with the VP costs 1500 instead of approx. 200 p.
          The Samara bearing from a warehouse instead of 120 r costs 1000
          This is only VP, no corruption schemes have not yet been connected. When connected, there will be an order of magnitude more.
          Ordinary milling operations begin to cost completely indecently if they are carried out at a licensed factory (not a military one) in which, at the request of the Ministry of Education, they created the 1st department and introduced the regime.
          It's time to forget about cheap Russian weapons.
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            Quote: Engineer
            Modern Russian technology is more and more expensive than gold. Secret

            )))

            Russian weapon almost everything is a primitive Mr. for inadequate money. It is competitive in two cases:
            1. Or it comes with a surcharge from the budget of Russia, like the famous Turkish S-400.
            2. Either in the price, the costs that the Soviet Union still incurred (from cartridges to RD-180), and for one depreciation, were reset to zero.

            But no. Experts on economics constantly climb out (of the conditionally adequate visitors to the forum, Andrei from Ch likes to do this, for example), who explain about the teaching staff and the Big Mac index. Multiply $ 35M by four and the price seems to be the norm.

            The question why the faculty and the Big Mac index apply to the Su-57, but do not apply to the Lada Grant, the conversation usually ends.
            Quote: Engineer
            where, at the request of the Ministry of Education, they created the 1st department and introduced the regime.

            Patriots will never understand that when a man in uniform arrives at the factory, a normal competitive factory, and says: "Comrades, we hand over your passport," they simply send him ... back to the scoop, together with the contracts of the Moscow Region and the Motherland, and that’s all. The enterprise will work with Moscow Region only because of hopelessness. With appropriate staff and manufacturing capabilities.
  • Shahno 8 February 2020 11: 43 New
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    // On the global arms market, the latest fifth-generation aircraft - the Russian Su-57 and the American F-35 - have already become serious competitors //
    What is it? Contracts, amounts?
    No, I understand that we need to think about the future. But then in Russian it seemed like the future tense of verbs ...
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    I recommend that the author no longer write such nonsense. if you do not understand the issue, do not go into the ford.
    And how does the f 35 have no AFAR?
    1. Prjanik 8 February 2020 12: 32 New
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      They wrote that they were talking about additional radars in the wings.
  • Butchcassidy 8 February 2020 12: 10 New
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    Aircraft carrier is not a necessary parameter, but a highly specialized "industry" chip of naval aviation based on aircraft carriers. Nothing more UVP needed for.

    I'm more interested in the network-centric capabilities of the Su-57. And their possible comparison with the F-35 / F-22.
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    In addition, the Su-57 is equipped with radars with an active phased array antenna that control airspace for hundreds of kilometers. The F-35, like the F-22, has no such radar,

    Wretchedness and not an article.
  • Prjanik 8 February 2020 12: 30 New
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    It was possible to fully compare the Su-57 with the J-20, if good engines had been installed on it and with the F-22, if it had been modernized. And it would be so interesting to compare the Su-35 with the new F-15.
  • rocket757 8 February 2020 12: 42 New
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    Endless argument.
    And what could be the outcome? Aircraft may never collide in real life.
  • Operator 8 February 2020 13: 01 New
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    EPR F-35 and Su-57, according to the statement of the Sukhoi Design Bureau’s General Designer, are at the level of 0,3-0,4 square meters, both aircraft have AFAR, the maximum speed of the Su-57 is 2650 km / h, and the maximum take-off weight is 40 tons , the main reason for the delay in taking Su-57 into service is the lack of a second stage engine at the time.

    The Su-57 is a super-maneuverable aircraft (due to its greater thrust-weight ratio, high-speed propulsion and vortex aerodynamics), the F-35 is not. In this connection, the Su-57 refers to multi-functional fighters, F-35 - to fighter-bomber (strikers).

    And the rest, the author of the article is right.
  • Atlant-1164 8 February 2020 13: 15 New
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    read the article, and realized .. not all comrades, got up from the New Year's table)
  • Aleks2000 8 February 2020 15: 23 New
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    Yes, the topic was sucked in a hundred times, and here again, and in style - again a breakthrough ....

    Ash stump that a heavy fighter with 2 engines will be faster and further than with one.
    But with one - it’s easier, relatively cheaper, more convenient, etc. Perhaps more maneuverable ...

    And here the omissions pop up:
    Americans openly talk about survey flaws. We learned that the SU cabin was forgotten to be cleaned, only a year later, when the Indians abandoned it ...

    Super-maneuverability, an engine, super-electronics - so far, Su has only promised. And on the video planes mostly fly in a straight line ....

    They let out F for 400 pieces, only 2 (??) crashed (against 1 - SU), they fly, they master, supposedly one engine will last a very long time, supposedly there is electronics for controlling drones and so on. Allegedly, there are new engines, almost with cruising supersonic ... and so on. etc
  • DRM
    DRM 8 February 2020 19: 07 New
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    This is not even an owl on the globe, this is a diagnosis:
    In the global arms market, the latest fifth generation aircraft - the Russian Su-57 and the American F-35 - have already become serious competitors.

    As the Su-57, which is essentially not there, can be a competitor to an airplane that is already for sale ?!
  • Vitaly gusin 8 February 2020 20: 28 New
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    In the global arms market, the latest fifth generation aircraft - the Russian Su-57 and the American F-35 - have already become serious competitors.
    Ten years back the honored test pilot and Hero of Russia Sergey Bogdan took the first prototype T-50 into the sky and flew about 45 minutes. Then there were numerous air shows,
    In 2006 - 2007, flight tests were planned, and in 2014 - 2015, deliveries to the troops. They did not meet the deadlines and the first aircraft should have been handed over to the Aerospace Forces in 2018 - 2019.
    Honored Test Pilot and Hero of Russia Alexander Garnayev categorically spoke about the fighter aircraft "Su-57 in its declared finished form does not exist, not in a single copy."
    In the end, this aircraft will enter the army. Today it is a matter of prestige for Russia.
    But to call S-57 which is not at all on the market competitor a machine that is in service with almost all NATO countries and other countries and takes part in hostilities, it’s just not to respect yourself and those for whom it is written.
    1. Hexenmeister 9 February 2020 11: 23 New
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      And what does this person have to do with the Su-57 program ???
      In 1998, A. Yu. Garnaev graduated with honors from the Russian Academy of Public Administration under the President of the Russian Federation with a degree in public and municipal administration, in the same academy in 2002 he graduated from graduate school and defended his dissertation, having received the degree of candidate of economic sciences.
      In 2002 he graduated from flight test work at the LII Flight Research Institute named after M. M. Gromov.
      2002-08 - Deputy work on an ongoing professional basis, continued to fly as a public instructor in a number of flying clubs. Since 2008, a private pilot of business aviation. In 2009, he graduated from the USA Airline Transport Pilot Academy (Trenton, NJ) and received the FAA-ATPL qualification (USA FAA Airline Transport Pilot)
      completed a full training course at the Airbus Training Center (Toulouse, France), worked as the commander of the Airbus A-330 aircraft of the Aeroflot airline until 2017. Since 2018, he has been a private pilot of business aviation.
      Retelling news from the smoking rooms?
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      2. Vitaly gusin 9 February 2020 14: 17 New
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        Quote: Hexenmeister
        And what does this person have to do with the Su-57 program ???

        And I did not write that he has a RELATIONSHIP for tests
        Do not distort.
        "Honored Test Pilot and Hero of Russia Alexander Garnayev categorically spoke about the fighter aircraft" Su-57 in its declared finished form does not exist, not in a single copy. "
        If this is not true, you can refute it and I will write THANK YOU. It is not critical who said what.
        But the fact that he competitor this is no way!
        But I advise you to pay attention to the fact that January 29, 2020 marks the 10th anniversary of the first flight of the SU-57 and when it will go into service is not known. IT IS A FACT.
  • Tarasios 8 February 2020 22: 10 New
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    As far as I found the info, the Su-57 at the moment there are only a dozen, and then - so far in the status of prototypes, on the "weak" engines. F35 - more than 495. And 3352 units are already planned for purchase. (!). With all the flaws of the F35, it flies and is sold. In any case, purely commercially, to say that “in the arms market ... have turned into serious competitors” is like doing the same in a puddle. 10 pieces and 500 is not a competition. Moreover, unfortunately, the entire Su57 program at its pace of development can once again stall for an indefinite period.
    In addition, I am always surprised by this desire to sell the latest weapons, not having provided, first of all, my needs. Well, let's sell a hundred Su57 of the same Turkey. And where is the guarantee that for tomorrow the wise Erdogan will not send these "latest aircraft, which have no analogues", against Russia itself? It will become ...
  • stepka_razin 9 February 2020 05: 42 New
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    To begin with, when the Su-57 was being “run-in” in Syria, not a single radar station of the probable enemy was able to detect it. It says something. By the way, the F-35, unlike the Su-57, was detected not only by Russian radar systems, but also by aircraft, which indicates a high degree of visibility of the American fighter.

    This is where we end. What is a luneberg lens is apparently inaccessible to the author, why F-35 is also not known with them ....
    Article level - yellow tabloid newspaper
  • prior 9 February 2020 09: 28 New
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    The main advantage of the SU-57 over the F-35 is that it is not.
  • servant. 9 February 2020 15: 44 New
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    How can one compare a production aircraft with an apparatus under test? How can one put in one row aircraft ground for different tasks initially? You can build one super-duper car and take pride in it, is that just this single unit that can make a hundred even a little bit less good cars?
  • Sergei71 9 February 2020 16: 20 New
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    What is superior. In size. Yes, even the engines are sticking out, well this is to implement the principle of super inconspicuousness.
    1. agond 9 February 2020 19: 57 New
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      And ours is superior in the number of articles with positive ratings,
      but the engines are right,. unlike competitors.
  • Inspector 9 February 2020 21: 23 New
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    In service with the fu-35 and the Chinese counterpart. There are already hundreds of them in the troops !!!
    Su-50 is still a prototype. Dap can compare drawings with weapons ??????? We are brazenly fooled.
  • Dmitry V. 10 February 2020 12: 53 New
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    In addition, the Su-57 is equipped with radars with an active phased array antenna that control airspace for hundreds of kilometers. The F-35, like the F-22, does not have such a radar, which is also evidence of the superiority of the Russian fighter over the American.


    Do not comment on amateurish statements of the Turkish media:
    Airborne radar
    The F-22 is equipped with AN / APG-77 radar with an active phased array antenna. An antenna of this type consists of ~ 2000 receiving and emitting elements. The main advantage of such an antenna is the electronic control of the main lobe of the radiation pattern (analogue to beam scanning) - there is no need for mechanical scanning, which simplifies the design and increases the reliability of operation. Target detection range with EPR = 1 m² - 225 km (normal mode) and 193 km (LPI mode), cruise missile (0,1 m²) - 125-110 km. The instrumental range of the radar is 525 km.

    The ability of the radar to operate in a low probability of interception (LPI) mode makes conventional SPO / RTR systems useless. The AN / APG-77 radar is capable of performing an active radar search for a fighter aircraft equipped with SPO / RTR equipment so that the target does not know that it is being irradiated. Unlike conventional radars that emit powerful energy pulses in a narrow frequency range, AN / APG-77 emits low-energy pulses in a wide frequency range using a technique called broadband transmission. When multiple echoes return, the radar signal processor combines these signals. The amount of energy reflected back from the target is at the same level as a conventional radar, but since each LPI pulse has a significantly lower amount of energy and a different signal structure, it will be difficult for the target to detect F-22
  • Dimak 10 February 2020 21: 06 New
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    S-57 is really an inconspicuous aircraft, which can not be said about the F-35.
    1. servant. 14 February 2020 09: 47 New
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      With so many boards released, it's really inconspicuous
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    Quote: serviceman.
    With so many boards released, it's really inconspicuous

    But the Fu-35 is declared as serial, although unfinished, and has many operational disadvantages, i.e. in our "raw". Su-57 passes tests and is also unfinished to the end, but it is not declared as serial (tests at the pre-production stage) and therefore, as the goods are not offered for sale. And only citizens / vassals can buy shit in a beautiful advertising wrapper, and selling them a raw product should simply beat off the money invested in such an unsuccessful device. I hope ours will not get to this and will provide the Su-57 as an aviation complex, and not just an expensive toy. Everything goes to this. soldier