“Prices are determined by market rules”: some results of the Russian-Belarusian negotiations on oil and gas

After many round negotiations between the Russian and Belarusian delegations, agreements were reached on the supply of oil and gas to Russia from Belarus. Some results are reported.

The Russian delegation noted that for Belarus, the supply situation will be maintained according to the parameters of 2019. At the same time, it is emphasized that the agreements apply only to the current year.

From the meeting release:

Energy prices for the Republic of Belarus are determined by market rules.

The deputy head of the presidential administration Dmitry Kozak noted that the oil market in Russia and Belarus is the same:

In the Belarusian market, Russian oil is sold under the same conditions as in the Russian market. There are no differences when selling. We cannot change prices today. You are well aware that prices are today regulated by the market. For our part, we will assist in ensuring that the Belarusian market receives the necessary volumes of oil.

The Belarusian media speak extremely carefully about the outcome of the negotiations in Krasnaya Polyana. Alexander Lukashenko himself has not yet commented on the results of negotiations with Vladimir Putin and the Russian delegation.

At the same time, experts in Russia note that earlier statements by Belarusian representatives about their readiness to look for alternative suppliers, about energy supplies from Norway and the USA were a “game to raise rates."

Comments

[Gardamir]

For a long time no one remembered the invisible hand of the market.

[cost]

The Russian delegation noted that for Belarus, the supply situation will be maintained according to the parameters of 2019. At the same time, it is emphasized that the agreements apply only to the current year

The results of many hours of negotiations in a nutshell: they all left as they were.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Rich

The results of many hours of negotiations in a nutshell: they all left as they were.

I gave the GDP of the "state farm director" ... As expected. All these stupid bumps, such as buying oil at world prices and shutting down the Druzhba pipeline, are a feeble attempt to "bargain" ... After all, the "gardener" will get tired with his tantrums ...

[maxim947]

They arranged a show, everything, in principle, was predetermined in the fact that they would "agree".
IMHO - the president should not have the right to set prices.

[210ox]

But they raised the price for transit.

[Genry]

Quote: 210ox

But they raised the price for transit.

[old friend]

About language - explicit fever delirium. About changing the Constitution - even in our country, IMHO, this is unrealistic to shove. Do not confuse Belarus with the countries of Central Asia.

[Lelek]

Quote: maxim947

IMHO - the president should not have the right to set prices.

But Putin did not change the price. LAS wanted this, but a bummer.

[maxim947]

Very well if so, it is at least fair.
The media is trying the opposite.
Better to wait for official statements.

[SAG]

I gave the GDP of the "state farm director" ... As expected. All these stupid bumps, such as buying oil at world prices and shutting down the Druzhba pipeline, are a feeble attempt to "bargain" ... After all, the "gardener" will get tired with his tantrums ...

Very stupid and short-sighted behavior "bam". In politics, this is called face loss, sort of.

[Major Yurik]

Quote: Gardamir

For a long time no one remembered the invisible hand of the market.

And those who constantly remembered her have been eating oatmeal in London for a long time!

[Yehudi Menuhin]

Not a bad diet. Some officials gobbled up for less healthy food

[210ox]

And some even with a scarf messed up completely.

[Romka]

By the way, at the very beginning of the GDP, the AHL suggested "porridge on the water" - a kind of hint.

[Retvizan 8]

... "adversaries will outbid" ...
Something seems like they haven’t offered anything worthy to the Old Man, since after Pence’s visit, he went to Putin to negotiate.
Thank God, while "there is enough mind", "no cookies"!))

[Astra wild]

A.G. probably wants cookies, but I don’t want to go to Rostov. Being a chewing giver is not enough good, and A. G. must understand this.

[Cowbra]

That's right ... Looks like Old Man, after listening to Pence, said - "You have nothing. You are a beggar!" Or from another movie - "And your life won't be worth a broken Pence" In the original - a cent.

[maxxavto]

Like Pompeo went? no ?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: maxxavto

Like Pompeo went? no ?

No difference. Look at the physiognomy - Pompeo! Listen to what he says - Pence! They spar on one piece of paper.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nyrobsky

They spar one piece of paper

One moss for two?

[Retvizan 8]

Sorry, everything is correct - Pompeo, of course he meant it.)))

[Snake]

Quote: Retvizan 8

... "adversaries will outbid" ...
Something seems like they haven’t offered anything worthy to the Old Man, since after Pence’s visit, he went to Putin to negotiate.
Thank God, while "there is enough mind", "no cookies"!))

Well, there are always the same proposals: there is more freedom to all shit, forget about the state and in general you have to go to the side of the Hague tribunal like Milosevic.

[stasimar]

In the 90s he did not sell himself to the "adversaries". Now why should he. While your Boris gave up with giblets.

[SNEAKY]

Oh, what kind of nationalists are there in Minsk? One and a half crippled by "ploshchy" (Maidan in Belarusian) does not count. About opposition, as some kind of force, it is better not to remember at all. To gather together, throw a fake Polish zloty, but they themselves gnaw off each other's limbs.

[orionvitt]

Quote: SNEAKY

Oh, what kind of nationalists are there in Minsk? One and a half crippled by "ploshchy" (Maidan in Belarusian) does not count

The same thing they used to say about Ukraine. They say the same thing now. Like what kind of nationalists are there, there are only 2% of them, do not pay attention. The result is perfectly visible.

[SNEAKY]

Sorry of course, but you are deeply mistaken. I do not defend my stubborn fellow countrymen, but Belarusians and Ukrainians in terms of booze in squares for political reasons are completely different from the word. Belarus should personally offend the authorities so that they stand up for their family and not having read a telegram , about the sweet life in the EU. Moreover, unlike Belarusians, Ukrainians cultivated hatred of Russia for many decades.
Belarusians are terribly patient, they will wait until the authorities devour themselves from greed, when there will be nothing.

[orionvitt]

Quote: SNEAKY

Belarusians and Ukrainians in terms of buza in squares for political reasons are completely different from the word

Revolutions and coups are made not by peoples, but by small groups of active (passionate) individuals. People usually do not ask, they hide behind. It's all about funding, shaping public opinion (brainwashing) and the venality of the authorities. On the first two points, "sworn partners" do not skimp. As for the authorities, are they ready to sacrifice the country and the people for the sake of personal gain, or find the strength in themselves, to toughly resist attempts to destroy the country.

[SNEAKY]

Well, it’s difficult to argue with this, of course, in view of even a cursory tour of World History.
I probably won’t count how many times the pro-Western forces wanted to stir up the Belarusians to “great” deeds and “freedom.” I myself voted for the most pro-Western politician in 2010, and not because he loved flags with asterisks, but simply for an adequate alternative to the current ...

[Alex Nevs]

Well Toda DOWNLOAD and lose sovereignty. Ukrograbli to the rescue.

[Hagalaz]

Practice has shown that handouts and discounts are not resolving the issue of loyalty. Ukraine has taken that.

[Arkon]

Quote: Chieftain

nothing in vova so with olekhsandr hrikhoryevich

The President of Russia is called Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. I recommend to remember this.

[onix757]

And where such agility? :-)

[dauria]

The President of Russia is called Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. I recommend to remember this.

- Sit down, Masha
- Thank you, Vova
Remember this live broadcast? So it's okay ...

[rocket757]

How to warm, by mutual agreement .....
It will just be interesting to see who and how will fluff the tail now ???

[Tank jacket]

Trump's impeachment failed, first Mike Pompeo, and now Vladimir Putin explained to Butler that "the liberal model has outlived its usefulness" (c) It's time to fit in, to catch the last car of the Russian world. Otherwise ....

[Gardamir]

Actually, the liberal is just Vladimir Vladimirovich, he is proud and has repeatedly stated this .. Moreover, all his reforms are liberal.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Gardamir

Actually, the liberal is just Vladimir Vladimirovich, he is proud and has repeatedly stated this .. Moreover, all his reforms are liberal.

Actually, in our time and here the word "liberal" has become a curse and insult. But in fact -

Liberalism - This is a political ideology that recognizes freedom and human rights as the main values. The main of these rights is to freely dispose of yourself and your property. In short, liberalism is an "ideology of freedom." The word itself comes from the Latin liber - "free".
Along with conservatism and radicalism, liberalism is considered one of the main political ideologies of our time. Unlike conservatives, liberals advocate the transformation of society through reforms, and the reduction of the role of the state in society. Unlike radicals, they do not support rapid revolutionary changes, considering them dangerous and harmful.

[Gardamir]

Actually, I agree with you about both swearing and liberalism as an ideology. But I responded to the commentary where liberal Putin teaches Lukashenko that the liberal idea has outlived itself. Absurd.

[AU Ivanov.]

Conservative Putin, a mossy conservative. And his reforms are conservative: they are not aimed at real changes, but at maintaining the status quo.

[Piramidon]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Conservative Putin, a mossy conservative.

You cannot assess Putin so unequivocally. He is in some ways a conservative, in some ways a liberal, in some ways a reformer. As they say - "Three-in-one".

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gardamir

all his reforms are liberal

You just don’t know the words of others ... baby, we are of the same age, why are we so different

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Tank jacket

It's time to build in, keep up with the last car of the Russian world. Otherwise ....

We agreed on gas on last year’s terms for $ 127 per 1 thousand cubic meters, which is basically true, the gas price in Europe is falling, the winter is warm, the storage facilities are full, and it would be wrong to tear three skins. As for oil deliveries, it’s also clear that the freebie ends, if you want gas and oil at Smolensk region’s prices, sign roadmaps to deepen the integration of Russia and Belarus, and there’s a single legislation, a single currency, supranational authorities, not a word about them, which means Rygorych ready for this, the throne above all.
In short, we ate porridge, drank mash, played hockey .... And then life goes on, we will watch.

[Gardamir]

The cards were signed long ago, only the Russian bourgeoisie made a tax maneuver, throw Lukashenko overboard.

[carstorm 11]

in general, the tax maneuver is the business of the state and not its individuals. The tax maneuver in the oil industry triggers the abolition of export duties on oil and oil products. In parallel with the beginning of this year, an increase in the severance tax on oil and associated petroleum gas production started, which will last until 2021. Such measures were explained in the State Duma by the desire “to put things in order in the system of providing various kinds of benefits and preferences.” In addition, the government expects to increase revenues to the federal budget, as well as to create a more efficient system of tax benefits and subsidies. Ultimately, with the help of the oil maneuver Russia plans to achieve more profitable exports, as well as partially get rid of the dependence of oil prices on the global market. Or if in simple words this is our internal affair for our own good as a country. Lukashenko is also far from being aware of this decision even before 19. Instead of resolving issues of state integration, I waited for the last moment and went to blackmail. he wasn’t thrown out; he squeezed himself out

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: carstorm 11

Ultimately, with the help of the oil maneuver, Russia plans to achieve more profitable exports, as well as partially get rid of the dependence of oil prices on the global market.

Hang even more noodles on your ears.

[carstorm 11]

as you wish) it is for those who understand at least something in these words.

[Pissarro]

Before the tax maneuver, oil for the domestic market was cheaper. The exporter paid the duty upon its export. Now pays for mining. Lukashenko has nothing to do with it, in my opinion it wasn’t deprived of bonuses, they equated us with foreign consumers.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Gardamir

The cards are long signed

The road maps were not signed, there were 31 in total, some of them were agreed, but the Belarusian side refused to coordinate them according to tax legislation, single currency, and supranational authorities. If you are talking about the Union Treaty, then it was fulfilled by 10%, and because of this, roadmaps arose to deepen integration. And Lukashenko will win again in the upcoming Belarusian elections, the opposition is weak there, the Old Man will not allow cookies, the Belarusian stability is shorter.

[maxxavto]

agreed for a year, most likely Luke was given homework - he won’t complete in a year the nuts are tightened again

[Stepan80]

Single currency and where will the printing press be? Though he wrappers, however, he prints his own!

[Retvizan 8]

... "agreements were reached on the supply of oil and gas from Russia to the Republic of Belarus" ...
Oh how! Why, bourgeois oil (Norwegian or promised American) of the "wrong system" turned out to be?)))

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

So exactly, (Norwegian or the promised American) "turned out to be the wrong system"?))) For that one should give green candy wrappers right away, but for ours you can pull faberge

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Retvizan 8

Why, bourgeois oil (Norwegian or promised American) of the "wrong system" turned out to be?)))

Not that fat

[Gardamir]

Actually, in Russia, too, the bourgeoisie.

[onix757]

Wrong not your

[Pastor]

Old Man give time to leave beautifully. So I think that all tax maneuvers with oil, albeit to the detriment of themselves, have long-term plans to omit Belarus financially and, therefore, I will make it even more dependent. Someday they will not stand and join the Russian Federation. And everything else is ostentatious. Lukashenko, as a woman of lowered social responsibility, will now seek someone to sell herself for more. But hardly Pompeo could promise something specific. So Sochi. Then, during the myron transfer of power, a house in Vitebsk, or during non-peaceful transfer to Rostov.

[Stepan80]

Why DPR Nigeria Congo Venezuela Cuba did not join the Russian Federation ???? Yes, because it’s better to eat the bark, but the throne is better than the lackey for errands ...... maybe if Russia itself asks for Belarus

[askort154]

There was no conference with the journalists, but it was clear from Luka's face that he had suffered a complete fiasco in his blackmailing of Russia. Even kissing with Pompeo did not help, but, on the contrary, "burped".

[onix757]

What is the fiasco? :-)

[askort154]

What is the fiasco?

His next blackmail against Russia did not pass!
He left - "having not sipped salt". Gas at Smolensk prices was not received.
Oil will buy at commercial prices!
And this is only for one year (until January 2020), and not for 5-10 years.
And then Russia will see where Luka the blackmailer turns his nose. The West called him “the last dictator in Europe” (it flatters him) and he actually gave free rein to his ambitions. He wants to show himself as such, in a circle where it is permissible (especially in his own country) A kind of dwarf "Stalin" in Belarus, not realizing that it looks from the outside, to put it mildly, like a fake game for the audience. Economists know how the Lukashenka economy of Belarus "thrives". The more developed Poland is still subsidized by the EU (10 lard euros, annually). Ukraine has broken away from Russia, and where is she now ?! Not with Russia, and not with the EU - but in a deep swamp. Luka the blackmailer will also drag Belarus there if he breaks away from Russia.

[don-1500]

That's what life-giving hockey does

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

At least somewhere, Lukashenko played the first number.

[aybolyt678]

"Give an independent Russian-Belarusian market, free from the American-London-Cyprus and Russian Oligarchs !!!"

[Gardamir]

Gentlemen are cooked and how much do they pay you? Ready to sell!

[onix757]

It’s not worth it. Although they live here, they do not play a special role in the formation of opinions, because the ears of the "party line" stick out a mile away. And oh, how funny it is to contemplate aerobatics in changing shoes in the air

[Gardamir]

Interestingly, judging by how they react instantly, they have computers nearby.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Gardamir

Ready to sell!

Yes, no one doubted.

[Gardamir]

Yes no one doubted

You’ve already sold out, but don’t think that I agree to be a simple buttonkick like you.

[Lamata]

Looks like the old man, Plompeo did not particularly believe it, oil supply is not to distribute cookies on the Maidan.

[bar]

for Belarus, the supply situation will be maintained according to the parameters of 2019. At the same time, it is emphasized that the agreements apply only to the current year.

In the Belarusian market, Russian oil is sold under the same conditions as in the Russian market. There are no differences when selling.

Old Man did push concessions. At least for a year, but sold. It is understandable, he has elections in the summer, he needs this land. But, judging by his gloomy physiognomy, he had to promise something in the future for this. Although he is the master of his word, he wanted to give, he wanted to take it back ...

[bar]

I confess, the slurred article was misleading. Actually words

for Belarus, the supply situation will be maintained according to the parameters of 2019.

only apply to gas supplies.

Oil deliveries from Russia to Belarus will be made by companies at a market price; the Russian authorities will not interfere in the process of generating its value

Taki bent father.
PS
More thoroughly necessary, gentlemen, the authors.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: bar

he has elections in the summer, he needs this land.

Yes? Is it necessary? The edge?

[samarin1969]

Prices, oil, gas ... I wonder if this is all "internal" or "foreign" policy? And, exactly is this "politics"? In terms of purpose and content, it is just a cartel.

[fif21]

To please Lukashenko, Putin did not bother Sechin, Alikperov and Miller! And thanks for that. Lukashenko has AS in the semi-criminal economy, and two s in the market one (x \ f Heavenly slow-moving).

[Uncle Izya]

Oh, direct good deed))

[GenNick]

Quote: Anatole Klim

Quote: Gardamir

The cards are long signed

The road maps were not signed, there were 31 in total, some of them were agreed, but the Belarusian side refused to coordinate them according to tax legislation, single currency, and supranational authorities. If you are talking about the Union Treaty, then it was fulfilled by 10%, and because of this, roadmaps arose to deepen integration. And Lukashenko will win again in the upcoming Belarusian elections, the opposition is weak there, the Old Man will not allow cookies, the Belarusian stability is shorter.

Maps are long speckled ...
Well, someone has TWO Aces on a miserable ??? ...

[Vasyan1971]

Belarusian media speak extremely carefully about the results of negotiations in Krasnaya Polyana

So dad straightened up or not?

[Mentat]

Quote: Rich

The Russian delegation noted that for Belarus, the supply situation will be maintained according to the parameters of 2019. At the same time, it is emphasized that the agreements apply only to the current year

The results of many hours of negotiations in a nutshell: they all left as they were.

No, they didn’t. Lukashenko asked for a year of delay in gas. The topic of oil is closed, there will be no discounts.

Kozak: “Continue consultations at the Government level, at the level of ministries and departments on improving integration mechanisms.”

How is this fundamentally different from what I wrote yesterday: “We agreed to agree on an agreement at the next meeting”?

Who was there minusting me yesterday, were you convinced?

[onix757]

A strange pattern. All the neighboring countries "beg" from year to year. Gazprom is especially zealous in satisfying various Wishlist. Well, he likes to work at a loss.

[Romka]

M ... yes ... my forecast did not come true. Usually everything happened according to a different scenario, but now we in Belarus will have to tighten our belts. And the presidential elections are ahead. The dollar rate against the "hare" jumped by five percent in a week (damn dollar, how did he know ??? ). Apparently the decision was made: Novorossia "on the table" (Surkov was fired), Belarus "in the arms" (Kozak curator). Something like this.

[Genry]

Quote: Romka

Usually, everything happened according to a different scenario, and now in Belarus we will have to tighten our belts.

For the population, practically nothing has changed. Incomes (privileges) for the Belarusian export of oil products will simply be cut off. The local oligarchy will moderate its appetites.

[Prjanik]

He was immediately told this, if you want oil at domestic prices, integrate in the Russian Federation, which may be incomprehensible here. Otherwise, we will soon be waiting for Your Excellency in the Rostov or Smolensk region. Well, at least I saw snow.

[onix757]

I would not want the Republic of Belarus to become another tumbleweed field in the Russian Federation as dirt

[Prjanik]

And what would change for Belarus if it became a republic in the Russian Federation? Nothing, except that some would have a little less power. All our lives they lived together, since those "gray times". Take Kalmykia, for example. Is there someone forbidding to speak Kalmyk, or is Buddhism there, Kalmyk culture or traditions forbidden? No, but there are plenty of preferences and energy resources at domestic prices.

[AU Ivanov.]

That's right: if you want nishtyaki at a price for the Smolensk region - become the Smolensk region. By status. But you want to get on the tree and don’t rip your ass off.

[Stepan80]

Become Smolensk ??? Have you seen Smolensk and say Bobruisk ???
The discount price of 1.5 billion is not worth it ... .give a trillion, we will think)))

[Uncle Izya]

If you go a little bit into history when Belarus sold the gas transmission system to Gazprom, the contract stipulated a contract that gas would be sold to Belarus at domestic prices

[Astoria]

What to dig, here is Uncle Izya's contract

docs.cntd.ru/document/902357739

show where in this contract after 2012 it is written that gas for

Belarus will be sold at domestic prices

Time has gone

[Sergej1972]

Well, not with a region, but with a republic like Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Yakutia, perhaps with expanded powers. Or to create a Union State that is real, but with the condition that most of the executive bodies of the Russian Federation and the Union State be united so as not to spend extra money.

[Stepan80]

Tell Venezuela Cuba Syria, why spend the extra money or do you seriously think they will be part of the Russian Federation? )))) geopolitics and allies are expensive, but you can shrink to the garden ring and sit behind the walls of the Kremlin without ambition. ...
But in this case, you can’t save, as you lose influence and money even more. ...

[Sergej1972]

These three states have never been part of the Russian Empire and (or) the USSR. Compare them with Belarus demagoguery.

[Stepan80]

So what will you win if you stop "feeding" your closest ally and losing him at your side, and what is more profitable for you Venezuela than Belarus ??? Until recently, you considered the most pro-Russian baron (batsku pa ruski) yours, but did you write it down as an enemy? ))) What will Russia win from changing to a conditional patroshenko ???

[Stepan80]

To buy Belarus for 1.5 billion? )))) can Smolensk sell for $ 300 million? ))))

[Alsur]

Quote: SNEAKY

Well, it’s difficult to argue with this, of course, in view of even a cursory tour of World History.
I probably won’t count how many times the pro-Western forces wanted to stir up the Belarusians to “great” deeds and “freedom.” I myself voted for the most pro-Western politician in 2010, and not because he loved flags with asterisks, but simply for an adequate alternative to the current ...

I am always amazed at such speculations. What good do you expect from a pro-Western candidate, calling it an adequate alternative? Not Lukashenka, but if you put the conditional "Hitler" in prison, will it make you feel better? In my opinion, rather uninterested person, I personally do not care whether Belarus will remain the way it is now, or openly take a pro-Western course, but on the one hand, it is better to know the honest position of its neighbor. Together, together or on opposite sides of the barricade. We are already surrounded by unfriendly countries of the ex-USSR, and Russia is declared the reason for this unfriendliness. Example. Here you are not liked by a neighbor or a work colleague, or everything is in the plural, but you are to blame. Who's guilty? It is possible to discuss this topic, the psychologist would certainly have concluded that both parties are to blame. This is generally a commonly used expression. But after going through life school, I know for sure that you can become an outcast without doing anything for this. You don't even need a strong, established leader. People love to unite against, - "Why is he such and such." And the leader of this rotting will always be found, even if he was not. How many have seen beatings of schoolgirls and schoolchildren, because they are not like that. Very often it gets to the "right" ones, for example, home children, who are not used to giving forceful resistance. This is understandable, they are brought up differently and practice shows that this can create big problems for the child, if the mother is not a brilliant puppeteer and "bribed", this is not literally, school teachers, parents. But at the next stage, when receiving higher education, this is no longer possible. But there the children are already older, their childish maximalism and teenage aggression and stupidity are leaving them.
Among the countries, everything is the same. Knocking out preferences from Russia is already some kind of sport. Therefore, it’s better to let the pro-Western course take a sip, I sincerely wish everyone success, but I understand that they don’t give money for free, only for work, for example, an anti-Russian outpost, but they won’t pay much for everyone. This work suits you, you are taken.

[Stepan80]

We have a conditional hitler for 25 years sitting on the throne and a lover of the latter by the way. .... than the western vector is worse than the Russian if we discard emotions ??? Nothing, technology is the law money civilized society, etc. ..... I am a fan of Russia but would prefer to live like all patriots in the west. .... about the grandfathers' homeland, etc. leave the poor. .... the homeland is my family and my house, and where he bulet is another. ....
If you think to remove the baron, then what kind of patroshenko will you be better ???

[Prjanik]

Quote: Stepan80

... than the western vector is worse than the Russian if we discard emotions ??? Yes nothing

Well, how can you be so naive ?! Do you think Europe is waiting for Belarus with open arms? Does the example of Eastern European countries say nothing? They need either an anti-Russian bridgehead or a sales market with a murdered domestic economy and industry. Moreover, when the need for a bridgehead disappears, the country automatically goes into the category of a sales market, competitors in Western Europe are definitely not needed! China, likewise, enters only as long as it is possible to pump out technology and brains. And only Russia will build fraternal partnerships, as for itself, since we are one people.

[Stepan80]

As it turns out, Russia also does not really wait, does not give a discount, etc. ..... everyone pursues a personal interest and this is understandable. .... it so happened that Belarus is a springboard for both. .... for us better neutrality and good relations with our neighbors are of course not friends against Russia and outside the bloc status. By the way, Belarus as a mediator is very beneficial to Russia, as well as support in the UN on the world stage, than the region as many dream of. ...

[Pissarro]

Everything is much simpler. Emotionless. For Belarus, Russia has a sales market and a source of raw materials. In the West, there is no raw material and Belarusian goods are not needed. That is, the more the bank to the west, the less money and work in Belarus, the more expensive gas and gasoline. Joining Russia will generally reduce the cost of the army, diplomatic missions, state machinery, reduce tariffs and give subsidies. It is clear to a sensible Belarusian that the less sovereignty, the fuller the refrigerator

[Stepan80]

Yeah. ... and in exchange for a refrigerator 200th hundredths from Syria and so forth of our guys ??? Why is there no raw material in the west ??? In my opinion, gas in Europe is even cheaper at $ 110 in winter and other resources. .... why it will not be possible to buy resources in Russia even if you sell to Ukraine? Why goods are not needed if the EU is the third partner after Russia Ukraine! ??? Investments will come and the goods will become more in demand in the west. ..... I’m not mistaken much, but we certainly won’t live worse, which is worse than Moldova or Romania? )))) the example of Poland is quite revealing .....

[Pissarro]

and in return for a refrigerator 200th hundredths from Syria and so forth of our guys ???

Russia has long ceased sending conscripts to hot spots

Why is there no raw material in the west ??? In my opinion, gas in Europe is even cheaper at $ 110 in winter and other resources

Due to geography, he is not there. And what is is very expensive. And even if it is there you do not have the infrastructure to deliver it. The same cheap gas is in a German or Austrian gas storage facility for $ 110 due to a warm winter. You can’t drag him to Minsk in any way

. Why it will not be possible to buy resources in Russia even if you sell to Ukraine?

It is possible but at world prices. Ukraine is a temporary forced option until the completion of construction flows.

Investments will come and the goods will become more in demand in the west.

It makes no sense to invest in Belarus in Europe, where in Spain and Italy unemployment is at 25%. The EU is important to create jobs at home. Something in Moldova and Ukraine there is no investment flow. They are not even in Bulgaria or Lithuania. You do not shine for sure

... I’m not mistaken much, but we certainly won’t live worse, which is worse than Moldova or Romania?

A strange example, they live worse than you. Are you striving for poverty?)

[Stepan80]

The trade balance will be filled by someone else! All countries Bulgaria Lithuania Poland live many times better than Russia, I was in everyone including Russia! We have gas and so for enterprises $ 280-320 !!! We will buy in Russia for $ 170 or how much is there market, what is the problem to buy in Russia ???
Ale sell in NATO but do not sell to us? And production is not placed where unemployment is 25%, a business is located where labor and qualifications are cheaper, and we all have it ..... and we didn’t do it ourselves with a finger, I adjusted it when the chairman left. .... no country has disappeared yet, why do you decide that we are miserable?

[fa2998]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

such as buying oil at world prices

World market prices are not at all what domestic prices are! So MARKET or DOMESTIC, it turns out Belarusians have squeezed.

[Genry]

Quote: fa2998

It turns out Belarus squeezed.

No.
For this year they lost tax compensation for all petroleum products that Belarus exports. Those. there will be cheap oil only for domestic consumption.
Next year, the situation will depend on the fulfillment of Belarusian promises on the union.

[rotmistr60]

"Well, son, did your Poles help you?" ("Taras Bulba"). Well, Alexander Grigorievich, did your Americans help you? I had to push my inflated Wishlist and feigned "national pride" aside, so that the country would not bend and still be in power. It is necessary to be friends with Russia on mutually beneficial terms, and not for a one-sided game.

[Pissarro]

Funny character. A rogue Putin does not come out from summits and meetings. Yes, and having a memory remembers what Russia was 20 years ago and what is now.

. And the director of a state farm created a state out of nothing that lives on what it will do and sell, and which has one problem, Russia.

How can one brainwash to write like that. What he did to the farm director he made from cheap Russian raw materials, and what he sold so he sold the problem to Russia. If Russia didn’t give raw materials and didn’t provide the market, you would have to engage in prostitution so sweet for you a la Ukraine, both ordinary and political.

[Zaurbek]

I just didn’t understand the results. Only GDP won hockey

[magadan72]

It is a pity, of course, that the leaders did not agree. And the problems of the neighboring state are not very interesting. I am interested in the essence of the "tax maneuver." It seems as if the export tax on petroleum products is being replaced by a tax on the extraction of hydrocarbons. LIKE NOTHING SUCH ... In the old years, our deeply respected government declared that the export duty on hydrocarbons protects the domestic market during various reforms, defaults and various problems associated with the fall of the ruble (export duty compensates for the benefit of foreign supplies in the event of a collapse of the ruble and forces to sell oil products in Russia - "PROTECTION OF THE DOMESTIC MARKET"). And now, after the adoption of this law (AS I SUPPOSE), in case of regular economic problems or simply a fall in the ruble exchange rate, the oil oligarchs will officially chase everything behind the hillock for currency, then exchange it for the fallen ruble, pay taxes, salaries and receive excess profits ... they will trumpet how good they are, pay so many taxes (in rubles ...), and the country will either lose fuel or the price will skyrocket (THE MARKET IS EVERYTHING ...) AND COZY APARTMENTS IN LONDON ARE WAITING FOR OWNERS ... Is that so! ? or am I wrong ???? (I wish I was wrong ....)

[Azimuth]

Snow fell at night in Minsk. Seen from Sochi brought ONLY.

[Puler]

I am pleased to! that the Slavs agreed.

[Gardamir]

Read the comments and be surprised. Such joy for Miller, such gratitude to Yeltsin that he divided Russia, such hatred for everything Russian.
And what is funny, perhaps they sincerely consider themselves patriots.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gardamir

Read the comments and be surprised. Such joy for Miller, such gratitude to Yeltsin that he divided Russia, such hatred for everything Russian

You read your comments - and you are surprised: how did you get the bile that you pour here with buckets?

Nothing personal, just the impression of the read

[DNS-a42]

Do not be surprised. For 30 years, bourgeois authorities have been erasing the remnants of Soviet patriotism and nurturing bourgeois patriots who must defend the interests of domestic socially responsible businessmen. One thing is bad, oligarchs will never reciprocate.

[Gardamir]

nurtures bourgeois patriots,

You have now supported the patriot of the bourgeoisie.

[DNS-a42]

It's not too late to fix it)

[senima56]

"... to look for alternative suppliers, about the supply of energy resources from Norway and the United States was a" game to raise rates "" - otherwise we ourselves did not understand this or what?

[Gardamir]

Interesting news, Turkey refuses gas from Russia, gas is getting cheaper in Europe, but not for Belarus. The boys want to repeat "our Belarusian".

[Pissarro]

In the news of normal people, Putin and Erdogan open the Turkish stream. I wonder which iron you get the news from?

[Alexga]

As expected, the negotiations ended with nothing. Sorry, but what can you do. The Union Treaty, together with the Union State, can be considered buried. Probably, the MTO requirements turned out to be more necessary in order to complete this tax maneuver. But this union treaty could at least somehow provide equal conditions for business entities of the two countries. There is no need to talk about the Customs Union and the EAEU at all, in local matters the issue of hydrocarbons is generally included in separate documents. For the sale of manufactured products, the conditions are the same, but for the purchase of raw materials are different. Clownery! Everything is clear with economic unions, let's look at the military-political. Something tells me that the military alliance will also become similar. Like, if you don't join the Russian Federation, don't even count on our help. This is also to be expected. In short, the finish line for the Union! It is surprising, reading the local gems of local writers that no one asks a question to the inhabitants of Belarus: "Why don't you want to join us ?!" It may happen that there will be very big disagreements on the agreement on the use of two military facilities of the Russian Federation in Belarus. use was previously free, but under the new conditions to replenish the budget, Luca will say - "I want a thousand billion annually! Well, if you don't have that kind of money, then excuse me, you have a year to wind up wires!" It's funny, but who knows how it will be. The issue must be resolved by June 6. And Lukashenka’s elections are only in August. Yes, and the air defense will be disconnected from the air defense of Russia. Yesterday I asked the masses a question: Is VVP ready to increase the distance to the line of transition to the attack in the direction of Suwalki by 400 km? Well, good luck to him. And then, traitors, traitors!

[paco.soto]

With squeamish bewilderment, I have been reading atttiBelarusian comments for the last weeks! "Where are you coming from ©" ?! and who are you atttiBelarusian commentators!

[paco.soto]

With cold indignation and sacrilege, like Belarus: I thank God that Father and Father-in-law of the first marriage will not read this discussion in VO!

[Gardamir]

who are you atntiBelarus commentators!
Fans of the robbery of the people. They do not care whom to rob. And commentators, for a little money, are ready to praise and scold anyone.

[Pissarro]

Then you blame Russia constantly. It turns out for a little money, it's good that they admitted

[Gardamir]

Then that

Find at least one of my comments where I scold Russia. I ask Medvedev. Millerov, Shchuvalov and others do not associate with Russia.

[paco.soto]

Thank you for your comment sane! Honor to you!

[old friend]

My opinion on the situation.
A kind of attempt to look objectively at all this trash
1. AHL never behaved towards the Russian Federation as an ally. I don’t remember a single real thing. Everything was limited to words, at best, positive, and sometimes completely negative in relation to the Russian Federation
2. The AHL constantly insulted Russia (government, one hell). Examples of his speeches on this topic - to hell on the internet
3. When the Russians had nothing to eat and there was real devastation and hopelessness, Russia helped Belarus with gas and oil and did not stutter about any preferences. What was the AHL doing at this time? Remember, at least, about inviting journalists from the regions of the Russian Federation and the protrusion of the "successes" of Belarus in the economy against the background of the "decaying" Russian Federation.
4. The AHL constantly demanded preferences in the economy and received them. Even now, the price of gas and oil comes at a decent discount. They did not roll out a price tag at the level of world prices for oil (a discount of 17% is not a penny at all) or gas ($ 127 is not $ 150)
5. The AHL has not done anything in these 20 free years for the economic reform of Belarus. All this time was lost and billions of dollars were simply spent on eating, not on development.
6. For all this, the AHL has practically formed the image of Belarusians as "ungrateful insolent freeloaders" by its begging with elements of blackmail. And these are the Belarusians, who have always been considered the standard of hard work, honesty and decency among the 3 Slavic peoples ?!
7. In all honesty, didn’t anyone here understand that the "dad" divorces Russians? All this talk about unification has long turned into a "one-sided game". Most of them understood everything and tacitly participated in this endless deception. After all, the majority did not seriously plan to really unite with the Russian Federation into one state. At least even I (the only one of my friends and colleagues) have always considered the maximum only an economic union.
Summary:
Maybe, at least from a banal gratitude, we (Belarusians) acknowledge these facts and say thanks to the Russian Federation for help? And, if you decide so, let's go our own way without any reproaches, whining and insults towards Russia? Keeping normal human relationships? It will be more honest. I think Russia will be completely satisfied with the neutrality of the Republic of Belarus and non-alignedness, if the dream of a union state is still unattainable.

And yet - do not make the mistakes of Ukraine. We want to be independent - do not change it (independence) to new owners such as the USA, Poland, etc.

[Arkon]

Nothing ... There are sane people in Belarus. And then according to the comments on the network one would think that suddenly at one moment all the Belarusians became Poles.

[Alexga]

Did you like it? Your Yabloko say about the same. Many words, the guilty appointed, repented, assured the neighbors of love and devotion. True, there are no offers. But the readers liked it, praised it. True, there is no forward movement. So, do not flatter yourself.

[old friend]

If anything, then I did not repent. You have an inverted perceptual matrix. One person must repent here. He came up with this scheme of "divorce" with the United State. At first I planned to become the main one, because his popularity then went off scale (RB then lived very well against the background of the Russian Federation. Why - see item 3). Then, after the arrival of GDP, I realized that you can only rely on economic profits from chatter. Since then, this confusion has been going on.
It is clear to everyone that EG is unrealistic in the present conditions. This was already clear when the first friction began when trying to create a single currency and an emission center. AHL is not that person to give power to the side and become the second "after God".

Threat To the praise / cons I do not care. Someone has to tell the truth. True - everyone has her own. I have one. I do not impose.

[old friend]

Once again for the stubborn - One State is impossible.
The reasons:
1. AHL will never share power. In addition, for him sins - to hell. You don’t think that those people who disappeared in time just disappeared?
2. Most citizens of Belarus do not agree to Belarus joining the Russian Federation. It happened. why is a separate question.

One way or another, "breaking" is ahead. Without support from the Russian Federation, we will have to forget about social services. Either Lukashenka will impose additional taxes on the population. extortions, which will not end well either. It will soon become clear to everyone what our "economic miracle" is worth.
One can only hope that he has enough brains not to aggravate the situation. I would not want to get more restrictions on the access of our products to the Russian market. The consequences will, I think, be clear to everyone.

Let's see what will happen in the next 2 weeks.

[Arkon]

Quote: AlexGa

Did you like it?

What did you like? I see a sane assessment of the state of affairs. This is enough for a dialogue. Because it is simply physically impossible to carry on a dialogue with madmen. And some of the actions of the Belarusian authorities and the comments of Belarusian users make just such an impression.
That's all I wanted to convey with my comment.

[Victor March 47]

And which, in FIG it is a market. Remember the 1990 prices. And not on international supplies, but on Russian-Belarusian.

[VB]

About Fedot Archer
...
About you, about the scoundrel,
Glory already in Cherepovets!
You are to all the people in soul
I do not care in my face! ..

[lvov_aleksey]

"At the same time, experts in Russia note that the earlier statements of the Belarusian representatives about their readiness to look for alternative suppliers, about the supply of energy resources from Norway and the United States were" a game to raise rates. "
rates what is the question?
you can play to lower tariff rates, or still raise political rates