Why the S-300 does not protect Syria from Israeli aviation: reflections and versions


Back in 2018, Russia transferred Syria S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria to strengthen the country's air defense. However, until now, the territory of Syria has been bombarded by Israeli aviation, moreover, the loss of the Israeli Air Force during attacks on Damascus is not reported.


Очередной инцидент с сирийской противовоздушной обороной произошел 6 февраля. Четыре израильских истребителя F-16 без захода в сирийское воздушное пространство нанесли удары по пригородам Дамаска. ЗРК ПВО Сирии ударили в ответ и чуть было не сбили заходивший на посадку в аэропорт Дамаска гражданский самолет Airbus A-320, выполнявший рейс «Тегеран – Дамаск» (на борту было 172 человека). Лишь благодаря мастерству диспетчеров, переведших борт на запасной аэродром, удалось избежать катастрофы.

Israeli Air Force regularly shell Syria. But what about the Russian S-300?

After all, the question inevitably arises: why did Russia supply them to Syria if Israeli aviation continues to strike both at Damascus and the Iranian military located on Syrian territory, and effective air defense systems are silent? Reflections and versions on this subject are presented below.

Opinions regarding the fate of the Russian S-300 in Syria differ. Thus, Australian expert Richard Frank claims that the Israeli army has learned to bypass Russian anti-aircraft missile systems. But this statement, most likely, is not true, and is intended only to convince a Western audience of the low quality of Russian weapons.

The thing is that the Israeli Air Force avoids violating Syrian airspace. They hit Syrian territory, appearing in the sky, for example, over Lebanon. Therefore, Damascus has hands tied. If Syrian air defense crashes an Israeli plane in the sky above Lebanon and does not intrude into Syrian airspace, Damascus will be exposed as an aggressor, which is what it needs least of all in the current political situation.


In addition, landscape and geographical factors play a role. Israeli planes strike at Syrian territory usually from the Bekaa Valley, covered from all sides by mountains. They literally unexpectedly appear from behind mountain ranges and just as quickly hide, while managing to hit targets on Syrian territory. And, as our Israeli readers often write: "IDF pilots are already drinking coffee at air bases, and Syrian crews are still looking for targets in the sky."

Another version that is often considered in the media is the insufficient level of qualification of Syrian troops to service such complex anti-aircraft missile systems as the S-300. Although during the time that has passed since the delivery of the SAM system to Damascus, it was quite possible to retrain the officers of the Syrian air defense forces to work on new anti-aircraft missile systems.


Much more interesting is the version that the S-300s were unsuccessfully located in the mountains, which created significant obstacles to their effective operation. As a result of such an unfortunate location, Israeli electronic warfare aircraft were able to fly close to the Syrian air defense system and interfere, after which Israeli aircraft attacked Syrian targets.

Thus, most likely, the S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems against Israeli aircraft, striking Syrian soil from Lebanon, are currently simply not used. And to evaluate the effectiveness or inefficiency of their combat employment in this regard is simply meaningless. Moreover, the use of Russian complexes against Israeli aviation is not only a military and technical issue, but also a political one, and Russia, as you know, claims special relations not only with Syria, but also with Israel, declaring the existence of existing military communication channels.
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  1. Machito 7 February 2020 14: 09 New
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    There were no commands from the General Staff, so they did not shoot down.
    1. 1959ain 7 February 2020 14: 41 New
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      Quote: Bearded
      There were no commands from the General Staff, so they did not shoot down.
      They hit the Iranians in Syria, and why does Iran not react? Iran has all the possibilities, it has Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Hezbollah can plant 100 Mujahideen with any MANPADS, there are THESE KROKODAYLI LITAUT, SOME ABOUT THE SWAMP. In Yemen, Iran’s F-16s were shot down by Iranian MANPADS. Husits ​​shot down an F-16 coalition fighter led by Saudi Arabia over the capital of Yemen, Sanaa. It is reported by Al-Masdar News with reference to a military source. According to the publication, the fighter made an air attack. Https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201706082103-5coq.htm. If Iran does not respond, why should Russia respond
      1. ism_ek 7 February 2020 19: 37 New
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        Hezbollah represents only a third of the Lebanese population. The rest are not going to fight with Israel over Iran and Assad. In Russia, half of the billionaires have Israeli citizenship and Putin can not ignore this
        1. dauria 7 February 2020 23: 31 New
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          In Russia, half of the billionaires have Israeli citizenship and Putin can not ignore this


          Hmm. Clear, simple and clear. Putin is a dummy, a puppet in the hands of Jewish billionaires, and not a "tough kid", an accelerator of oligarchs. So what? Or diplomatically say “cannot but be considered”?

          And yes, the "Jewish citizenship" of billionaires is superfluous.
          They are all the same.
        2. Python 57 8 February 2020 23: 46 New
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          With Putin is considered billionaires !?))) This is the Russian Defense Ministry to death is afraid of contacting the Israeli Defense Ministry! Nobody has forgotten the slaughter of 1982! Operation Artsuv-19.
          1. aliev58 13 February 2020 20: 24 New
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            This is when the Jews washed themselves with blood.
            1. Alexey Ilyin 3 March 2020 07: 18 New
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              No, this is when the Syrians washed themselves with blood, and in the Kremlin they simply lost their speech ability.
        3. certero 9 February 2020 10: 43 New
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          This is the most important reason. For some reason, he always forgets that we have a capitalist state. Therefore, the capitalists are in power
      2. Machito 9 February 2020 21: 00 New
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        The only way out is to launch rocket attacks on Israeli territory in response. Assad hardly has such missiles.
        1. aliev58 13 February 2020 20: 32 New
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          Put the S-300 in Palestine and the Jews will immediately feel the effectiveness.
          1. Alexey Ilyin 3 March 2020 07: 20 New
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            Such a state does not exist, and the Jews have already felt the inefficiency of the S-300 in Syria.
    2. Bar2 7 February 2020 15: 35 New
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      Why the S-300 does not protect Syria from Israeli aviation: reflections and versions


      probably because Putin and Netanyah are more friends than Putin with Assad.
    3. lucul 7 February 2020 16: 01 New
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      They literally unexpectedly appear from behind mountain ranges and just as quickly hide, managing to hit targets on Syrian territory.

      And what is the problem? Place a solid electronic warfare field near the Lebanese Mountains so that aircraft avionics does not work properly.
      But the degree of non-touch of Israeli aircraft is directly proportional to the Jewish influence on the Kremlin.
      1. Nyrobsky 7 February 2020 23: 42 New
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        Quote: lucul
        They literally unexpectedly appear from behind mountain ranges and just as quickly hide, managing to hit targets on Syrian territory.

        And what is the problem? Place a solid electronic warfare field near the Lebanese Mountains so that aircraft avionics does not work properly.
        But the degree of non-touch of Israeli aircraft is directly proportional to the Jewish influence on the Kremlin.

        Ливанские горы не панацея. Израиль наносил удары и из воздушного пространства Иордании, и Ирака. Самое поганое это то, что нанесение своих ударов Израиль маскирует под борты других самолётов находящиеся в небе, умышленно подставляя их под удар сирийских ПВО. По любому, за такие "шалости" они заслуживают того, что бы им качественно и чувствительно отгрузили по хитрой роже.
        1. kiril1246 8 February 2020 00: 27 New
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          Quote: Nyrobsky
          In any case, for such "pranks" they deserve to be shipped with a sly erotic quality and quality.

          When will the liberation of Russia from Zionism come, how long?
          1. Vitaly gusin 8 February 2020 08: 41 New
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            Quote: kiril1246
            When will the liberation of Russia from Zionism come, how long?

            The population of Russia is about 140 mil
            Евреев около 140 тыс
            0,1% of the population governs the country
            THIS IS YOUR ASSESSMENT AND NOT MY, AND MAY BE A PROBLEM IN ANOTHER PLACE?
          2. NordUral 8 February 2020 17: 05 New
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            And then, when we come to vote with all the people, to sweep these out of power. The people - the power of the people!
            1. kiril1246 8 February 2020 22: 57 New
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              Quote: NordUral
              And then, when we come to vote with all the people, to sweep these out of power. The people - the power of the people!

              It's time for Meehan as president
          3. phair 10 February 2020 06: 27 New
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            согласно Повести временных лет, «кияни же разъграбиша дворъ Путятинъ, тысячького, идоша на the Jews и разграбиша я».
            1113 year. What's the use?
            1. phair 10 February 2020 06: 30 New
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              ahem ... I understand everything: scum, political correctness, universal people, but in the annals was the name of the Jews in the letter w! Kindly correspond!
              1. kiril1246 10 February 2020 19: 07 New
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                Quote: phair
                ahem ... I understand everything: scum, political correctness, universal people, but in the annals was the name of the Jews in the letter w! Kindly correspond!

                And let's hang a poster, "Everyone .. to Israel"
        2. Python 57 11 February 2020 22: 37 New
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          My friend! The Russian army looks cool .. in parades! Soviet looked no worse at the May parade of 1941! And then the detachments barely stopped!
          1. Nyrobsky 11 February 2020 23: 12 New
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            Quote: Python 57
            My friend! The Russian army looks cool .. in parades! Soviet looked no worse at the May parade of 1941! And then the detachments barely stopped!
            Ну коль "дружок" так бегло пишет на русском языке, то не в этих ли "загранотрядах" его дедушка стоял отъедаясь тушёнкой, который и поведал "дружку" всю "правду" о войне? Не? А может быть этот "дружок" из тех кто покинул РФ в направлении земли обетованной и теперь считает своим долгом везде добавить ложку дёгтя в любую часть истории России, очевидно забыв о том, кто спасал его бабушек и дедушек из концлагерей просвещённой Европы погасив печи крематориев? Не? Ну а если этот "дружок" из страны невиданной "перемоги", то почему этот дружок забыл про то, что в период 1941-1945 гг его дедушка и бабушка проживали в СССР и его родственники так же воевали против немцев? Не? Хотя тут конечно не факт. Может быть они по схронам сидели и "бандерили" потихоньку постреливая по полякам, евреям, русским и украинцам не поддерживающих ОУН УПА и отказавшихся воевать за нацистскую Германию? Может быть. Тогда да, вы к советам не причастны. Только вот сейчас у выходцев из страны "удачной перемоги" есть проблемы с изложением мысли на русском языке, чего не скажешь о вас "дружок". Так что больше склоняюсь к мысли что "дружок" ещё не плохо говорит и на иврите. И таки да "дружок", как же так получилось то, что "драпая" с 1941 года советская армия "додрапала" до Берлина сломав хребёт "непобедимой" немецкой армии, по пути освободив с десяток европейских государств, которые ныне как и вы, страдают амнезией и русофобией? Может быть не надо было? Пусть бы печи горели? Глядишь, сегодня бы израильские солдаты и не участвовали в европейских учениях плечом к плечу с немцами с темой учений - "захват русской деревни"? Не болей(те) "дружок"
          2. aliev58 13 February 2020 20: 52 New
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            Зато сионистская банда смотрится круто когда на танках и самолетах разгоняет палестинских детей с камнями и палками в руках.
          3. Alexander Malchukov 8 March 2020 19: 19 New
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            Python, what a brave you are sitting warm in front of a computer! And, most likely, after June 22, 1941, they would have been so dragged away from the Germans that no detachments could not keep them.
            Alexander Malchukov.
        3. Alexey Ilyin 3 March 2020 07: 23 New
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          Вы повторяете чушь МОРФа. Даже сами российские летчики смеются над этой глупейшей выдумкой. В МОРФЕ не смогли даже придумать какую-нибудь правдоподобную отмазку своей беспомощности и ротозейства.
    4. iouris 7 February 2020 19: 16 New
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      And what are they doing at the general staff? The news is bad.
    5. Spambox 7 February 2020 20: 03 New
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      At the General Staff, 6.7 billion were lost, they are looking for, now it is not up to the teams. Landing on the horizon.
    6. marmalade 8 February 2020 16: 40 New
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      and don’t do it - partners elite wallet
    7. Whalebone 10 February 2020 09: 12 New
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      Of course. Russia does not fight with Israel. And C300 is controlled only by Russian operators. Matches for children are not a toy, there are already many examples.
  2. Demagogue 7 February 2020 14: 13 New
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    Because passive defense does not work. Never. The drummers hide behind the relief and launch rockets, often without leaving because of the radio horizon. Once the carriers cannot be hit, they will return again and again and eventually destroy the targets. Without drills and fighters, the dilemma is unsolvable.

    Plus, they fly through Lebanon, and from the Lebanese border to Damascus at hand.
    1. vik669 7 February 2020 14: 19 New
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      Так а Ливан вроде и не Израиль пока - что это за территория где пасутся евреи без намордников пора бы и ... !
      1. Range 7 February 2020 14: 45 New
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        There is an old saying, "Fear the anger of patient people." And patience can burst at any moment and then neither howl, nor stink, nor tears, nor non-oceanic partners will save (they will most likely be the first to betray in this situation). Penguinostan always betrays everyone and everything, if something is not profitable for him.
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        2. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 8 February 2020 11: 50 New
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          And what will patient people do? More IL-20 down? No pity?
          1. Valdaev 8 February 2020 14: 53 New
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            новый мем: "терпеливые люди". "вежливые" кончились
            1. Range 10 February 2020 19: 46 New
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              This is not a new meme. These are synonyms.
          2. Range 10 February 2020 19: 52 New
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            Все что мы видим на поверхности, еще не о чем не говорит. Да, и интернет журналшлюшки сильно пудрят мозги и особенно любители "пингвинов" - соросососки. Я уж молчу о "избранных" ... "изобретателях реальности". Чтобы понять где кроется хоть частица правды, нужно разгрести столько интернет мусора, что мама не горюй.
    2. 210ox 7 February 2020 14: 32 New
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      Not just a layered system. Some C300 will not do the weather
      1. mark1 7 February 2020 14: 46 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        Some C300 will not do the weather

        А зачем продавали? Пульнули бы разок для приличия. 1-2 сбитых еврейских самолета евреев устрашит. И всегда можно сослаться на сирийские расчеты по еврейской же аналогии.
        1. Pessimist22 7 February 2020 17: 10 New
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          It is necessary to beat them not in the sky, but at the airport, let Iran give them rockets, destroy ten aircraft on the ground and then they will be calmer.
          1. bayard 8 February 2020 03: 41 New
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            This is exactly what they are waiting for. According to Kisinger, Israel should already cease to exist by now ... that will trigger big changes. And most of these changes are unlikely to please.
            There is a difficult game. And Russia itself is unlikely to be more interesting to have instead of Israel in Palestine, Khazaria in the Ukrainian steppes.
            For Russia, the existence of Israel is much more profitable than such an alternative.
            Have you ever wondered why Stalin created this state?
            Contrary to and contrary to the opinion of Britain and the USA?
            And all these raids and bombings, of course, are very, very annoying ... It’s like shelling by the Donbass ukrovermahtm.
            But for now, an unstable equilibrium is more advantageous than a large stable war.
            And Iran itself is not in a hurry, in a hurry to succumb to provocations. Its activity in the region is caused not by its own ambitions, but by the interests of China - it is with Chinese money that Iran creates a Shiite corridor for the Silk Road through Afghanistan - Iran - Iraq - Syria to Mediterranean ports ... And this is the second scenario, which also can not do us too much to please.
            There is a game that requires iron nerves.
            1. Alexey Ilyin 3 March 2020 07: 27 New
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              Wow. With a smart look, write such garbage.
      2. Ivanitch I 8 February 2020 10: 02 New
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        The whole point of the article in the sentence!
  3. Stalllker 7 February 2020 14: 16 New
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    And why accidentally the S-300 missile did not fly into Lebanon and accidentally did not bring down the F 16 ??? Purely hypothetically !!!
    1. Nastia makarova 7 February 2020 14: 20 New
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      because there was no team
      1. Valdaev 8 February 2020 14: 56 New
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        yeah, from local theorists
    2. vfwfr 8 February 2020 18: 37 New
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      Let’s beat, be sure Let’s beat .. but, then. ;)
  4. Whisper 7 February 2020 14: 20 New
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    Trunks are silent when politicians speak. I think this is the case. The whole world is in ruins ... apparently our leaders are smarter!
  5. K-50 7 February 2020 14: 24 New
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    Four Israeli F-16 fighters without entering Syrian airspace attacked the suburbs of Damascus. Syria’s air defense missile systems were hit in response and were nearly shot down by a civilian Airbus A-320 that was landing at the airport in Damascus on the Tehran-Damascus flight (there were 172 people on board).

    And this is not the first time that Jews attacking Syria by hiding in a foreign plane, provoking its air defense.
    Jews "play out." They probably think that Russia will forgive them the IL-20. No, we all remember. the time will come and “present” the bills. You will answer us for the 1917 revolution. Uproot you !!! am
    1. 210ox 7 February 2020 14: 34 New
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      Have you not forgiven? Putin visited Israel not so long ago ...
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        1. 210ox 7 February 2020 14: 56 New
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          Well, I can give an example of Turkish tomato .. And the people ... So everything is in the kitchens and smoking rooms. And those, in short, who do not forgive, are already passing away. And the youth do not care deeply for what, how and where our soldiers are fighting. To my deep regret.
          1. K-50 7 February 2020 15: 13 New
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            Quote: 210ox
            Well, I can give an example of Turkish tomato .. And the people ... So everything is in the kitchens and smoking rooms.

            In vain, just not the time yet. That they mostly sit in the government, as indeed now, they will come up with something else “tolerant” (pah, a dirty word), but the time will come and it will be possible to give them in full. Maybe we will not survive the essence, the reckoning will overtake them anyway. yes angry
            1. 210ox 7 February 2020 15: 16 New
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              Don’t tell me. With each passing year, our people are deliberately uprooted from what makes us Russians.
              1. K-50 7 February 2020 15: 23 New
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                Quote: 210ox
                Don’t tell me. With each passing year, our people are deliberately uprooted from what makes us Russians.

                And this will come to their account. yes
              2. Nick 8 February 2020 01: 19 New
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                Quote: 210ox
                not tell me. With each passing year, our people are deliberately uprooted from what makes us Russians.

                When they did Soviet yes, maybe. And now it's a sin to blame.
          2. Nick 8 February 2020 01: 17 New
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            Well, I can give an example of Turkish tomato ..

            By the way, the domestic greenhouse economy rose well due to sanctions on Turkish tomatoes.
        2. Boa kaa 7 February 2020 17: 02 New
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          Quote: K-50
          Jews will be waiting for a terrible tsimes (so it seems at them). Tryndets in our opinion.

          Let's clarify, look at the etymology of the word in its original meaning.
          “This is the whole cimus,” as they usually say, to emphasize the significance, the value of something. Perhaps the most accurate analogue of the above phrase can be called “That’s all the gusto,” because “tsimus” (the most often used, but not the most accurate version of the word) comes from the name of the festive Jewish dish tzimes. Tsimes is a Yiddish word, partially Germanic, "zum essen", that is, a side dish for a meat dish, and in fact a stew of carrots.

          Sometimes two letters m are written in the word cymes: cimemes. This is probably due to the English spelling of the word - tzimmes (tsimmes). It is very curious, by the way, that the English also put a figurative meaning in this word, but it is completely different than us. They call vanity, noise, mess and hash - probably due to the appearance of the dish.

          So what did you, colleague, mean? Really "English" option !?
          However, I note: vanity and Tryndets are different-ranking concepts. In my opinion, tryndets is much worse ... lol
          AHA
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        Quote: 210ox
        Have you not forgiven? Putin visited Israel not so long ago ...

        For now it’s possible they’ve forgiven, but if you can remember anything.
      3. Xnumx vis 7 February 2020 23: 15 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        Have you not forgiven? Putin visited Israel not so long ago ...

        Сталин тоже улыбался Черчиллю .Встречался с ним .. Дежурная встреча , искусственные улыбки , фальшивые заверения в дружбе .... Политика ... Тяжёлая и грязная работа .
    2. Aaron Zawi 7 February 2020 15: 11 New
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      Quote: K-50

      And this is not the first time that Jews attacking Syria by hiding in a foreign plane, provoking its air defense.

      https://lenta.ru/news/2020/02/07/no_plane/
      1. Boa kaa 7 February 2020 17: 17 New
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        Aron, we know the price of information published by the "new newspaper" and we know the price of information from the Russian Defense Ministry, based on facts.
        1. If Airbas 320 with 172 passengers was not on board, then what did the dispatchers put on our lane in Khmeimim?
        2. Referring to the schedule without requesting information about the actual situation in the area of ​​responsibility from the dispatchers of Damascus AP is the same as going to visit, knowing for sure that the owners are not at home!
        (Fake of the highest limit. Liberal international in action!)
        1. Aaron Zawi 7 February 2020 17: 28 New
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          Quote: BoA KAA
          Aron, we know the price of information published by the "new newspaper" and we know the price of information from the Russian Defense Ministry, based on facts.
          1. If Airbas 320 with 172 passengers was not on board, then what did the dispatchers put on our lane in Khmeimim?
          2. Referring to the schedule without requesting information about the actual situation in the area of ​​responsibility from the dispatchers of Damascus AP is the same as going to visit, knowing for sure that the owners are not at home!
          (Fake of the highest limit. Liberal international in action!)

          There was an undeclared plane. A private Syrian company that is quietly serving the IRGC. In principle, whether or not you believe only you. There are facts and they are against the theory of MORF.
          1. Boa kaa 7 February 2020 18: 34 New
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            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            There are facts and they are against the theory of MORF

            Respected! And what, in fact, does not suit you in the information of the Ministry of Defense? What is not true in it?
            Was the plane? - was! Was he put on Hmeimim? - planted! Is the plane civil? - civilian! Did you take him from Damascus airport by order of the dispatchers? -- exactly! All this happened under the fire of Hel Avir aircraft? -- exactly!
            And what is against the theory of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / does not correspond to the truth / ???
            1. Aaron Zawi 7 February 2020 19: 26 New
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              Quote: BoA KAA
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              There are facts and they are against the theory of MORF

              Respected! And what, in fact, does not suit you in the information of the Ministry of Defense? What is not true in it?
              Was the plane? - was! Was he put on Hmeimim? - planted! Is the plane civil? - civilian! Did you take him from Damascus airport by order of the dispatchers? -- exactly! All this happened under the fire of Hel Avir aircraft? -- exactly!
              And what is against the theory of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / does not correspond to the truth / ???

              Да как бы то что кто то прикрывался самолетом которого даже не было в районе удара. Это даже у некоторых ваших генералов прорывается.
              https://vz.ru/news/2020/2/7/1022513.html
              1. Boa kaa 7 February 2020 21: 45 New
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                Yes, it’s as if someone was hiding behind a plane that was not even in the area of ​​impact. It even breaks through some of your generals.
                Aron, this general has been in reserve since 2007. But the current ones stigmatize the actions of your Air Force and emphasize that this is not an isolated case and that the tragedy did not happen thanks to the foresight of the dispatchers.
                Ibid.
                Sergey Khatylev, the former head of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Special Forces Command of the Russian Air Force, believes that this incident is not the first example of the use of civilian aircraft by the Israeli Air Force for cover.
                more...
                Lieutenant General, former head of the Air Force anti-aircraft missile forces of the Russian Federation Alexander Gorkov also believes that such a method of action as covering civilian planes from air defense actions is already typical of Israeli military aircraft.

                Но у вас, непримеримый вы наш, все свелось только к выгодным вам , евреям, примерам и высказываниям.
                This is propaganda! not facts.
                1. Aaron Zawi 7 February 2020 22: 06 New
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                  Quote: BoA KAA
                  Quote: Aaron Zawi
                  Yes, it’s as if someone was hiding behind a plane that was not even in the area of ​​impact. It even breaks through some of your generals.
                  Aron, this general has been in reserve since 2007. But the current ones stigmatize the actions of your Air Force and emphasize that this is not an isolated case and that the tragedy did not happen thanks to the foresight of the dispatchers.
                  Ibid.
                  Sergey Khatylev, the former head of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Special Forces Command of the Russian Air Force, believes that this incident is not the first example of the use of civilian aircraft by the Israeli Air Force for cover.
                  more...
                  Lieutenant General, former head of the Air Force anti-aircraft missile forces of the Russian Federation Alexander Gorkov also believes that such a method of action as covering civilian planes from air defense actions is already typical of Israeli military aircraft.

                  Но у вас, непримеримый вы наш, все свелось только к выгодным вам , евреям, примерам и высказываниям.
                  This is propaganda! not facts.

                  He is a professional who has not yet sold his professional conscience. That's why I believe him.
                  1. Boa kaa 8 February 2020 10: 39 New
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                    Quote: Aaron Zawi
                    therefore I believe him.

                    Questions of faith are not discussed here. But there is something in your position.
    3. atalef 7 February 2020 15: 48 New
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      And this is not the first time that Jews attacking Syria with someone else’s plane hiding behind

      there aren’t enough planes for covers
      Attacks on Syria in 2013-2019, carried out by the IDF or attributed to the Israeli army

      (the list may be incomplete and inaccurate; IDF retaliatory strikes against terrorist groups in Syrian territory are not taken into account)

      2019 year

      24 August. The Israeli Defense Forces press service released a report according to which the IDF air force attacked targets in the village of Akraba, located southeast of the Syrian capital. The attack was directed against fighters of the Al-Quds Forces of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps and Shiite militias supported by Iran, who were preparing a terrorist attack against Israeli targets.

      August 15. Syria announced the reflection of a missile strike on a target in the area of ​​Masyaf.

      August 1. The SANA agency reported an IDF missile strike on a target west of Kuneitra.

      July 24th. The Syrian state agency SANA reported that the IDF has hit a target in the province of Daraa in the south of the country.

      July 1. According to a statement by the Syrian Ministry of Defense, IDF airplanes and Israeli Navy ships launched rocket attacks on targets in the vicinity of Damascus, as well as in Homs. Numerous casualties and dozens of injured are reported. Caused significant damage to military installations. One of the Syrian air defense missiles fell on the territory of Northern Cyprus.

      12 June. The Syrian state agency SANA reported that the IDF launched a missile strike on a target in the area of ​​the settlement of Tel al-Hara (Daraa province).

      June 3rd. Damascus claims the IDF attacked targets at the T4 military airfield, east of Homs. According to SOHR, the warehouses and military bases of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps were attacked, at least five were killed.

      2 June. In response to the shelling of Israeli territory, the IDF attacked military facilities in Syria. The IDF Air Force attacked several military facilities of the Syrian army: two artillery batteries, a number of observation and reconnaissance posts, and an SA-2 air defense battery. SANA reports of three killed and seven wounded Syrian troops. SOHR claims that the IDF also attacked the facilities of the Iranian army and Hezbollah, south of Damascus.

      May 27th. In response to the shelling of an IDF aircraft located in Israeli airspace, a strike was inflicted on an air defense installation in the Kuneitra region. The Syrian military reported that a soldier was killed in the attack and two more were injured. SOHR announces two killed Syrian troops.

      May 18th. Syrian media and SOHR report another IDF strike on targets south of Damascus.

      May 17th. Syrian state media reported several rockets fired from Israel from Kuneitra. SOHR claims that there were at least three explosions southwest of Damascus, where the Hezbollah base and the pro-Iranian militia are located.

      April 13th. Syrian state media reported attacks on the site near the city of Masyaf west of Hama. According to the Syrian opposition, the Hezbollah base was attacked. Destroyed buildings and six wounded are reported.

      March 27th. Syrian state media reported attacks on the military airfield and Sheikh Najar industrial area near Aleppo. The SANA news agency wrote that, presumably, this is an attack carried out by the Israeli Air Force.

      February 11th. Syrian state-run media say the IDF's tanks fired at targets in Kuneitra province. Unofficial Syrian sources report that the attacks were carried out on Hezbollah positions both from the ground and from the air. The fact of the strike is confirmed by the Israeli leadership.

      January 21. The IDF inflicted a massive attack on the facilities of the Iranian armed forces in the vicinity of Damascus, in addition, Syrian air defense was attacked, trying to interfere with the actions of the Israeli Air Force. Caused significant damage. SOHR reports dozens of killed Syrian and Iranian military.

      January 20th. Damascus and Moscow say the Israeli air force attacked targets near the airport near Damascus, but this attack was repelled by Syrian air defense. Israel does not comment on this information. Soon after reports of the attack, the Israeli missile defense system intercepted a missile launched from Syria.

      January 12th. Syrian media report an attack on objects in the vicinity of Damascus and in Kisoua. According to SANA, weapons depots were attacked. Opposition sources claim that Iranian cargo aircraft were eliminated at Damascus airport. On January 13, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed the attack on Iranian warehouses in Syria.




      full list http://www.newsru.co.il/mideast/25aug2019/syr_604.html
    4. kiril1246 8 February 2020 00: 29 New
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      Uproot you !!!

      That's right, beat the Zionists, save the VO.
    5. However, dear 8 February 2020 05: 41 New
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      You will answer us for the 1917 revolution. Uproot you !!!


      It is disgusting to read empty and stupid threats towards the Jews and Israel. Not only because it is all from chauvinism and anti-Semitism. But also because there is no vengeance and cannot be. Unreal. Not possible. Let's just say this: no more real than “taking revenge” on the Finns, Danes, Balts, or the same Chechens (there are only a million of them). You can’t do anything against the Jews. With the advent of Israel, Jews can defend themselves effectively, and all the "lovers" of Jews, especially from countries where there are almost no Jews, have turned into funny impotent clowns. laughing
    6. Vitaly gusin 8 February 2020 08: 51 New
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      the time will come and “present” the bills.

      So already settled, how did you miss that ?,

    7. BVS
      BVS 8 February 2020 15: 31 New
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      And YOU personally - "No, we all remember. The time will come and we will" present "the accounts. You will answer us for the 1917 revolution." can you Do you personally make a decision? Can you personally do something? probably not. Then it is more appropriate to write in another way - I remember, I will present the score, etc.
    8. However, dear 8 February 2020 21: 16 New
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      And this is not the first time that Jews attacking Syria by hiding in a foreign plane, provoking its air defense.


      As for me, if the Syrian air defense once again crashes an uncomplicated plane, this is purely a problem for the Syrians. Israelis flew in, shot at Iranian targets, flew away. Want to knock them down? Well, try it. In fact - it turns out badly. Israel knows what risks and is ready for losses. And I’m also ready to clear out all hostile air defense, as I have already done several times. And to spray with saliva that the Syrians are cool guys, only shoot at their own sometimes, when the Israelis fly by - why? laughing
    9. Yury Siritsky 9 February 2020 13: 47 New
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      What are you scarecrow stuffing?
    10. Yury Siritsky 9 February 2020 13: 54 New
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      The world has never seen such idiots
    11. shahor 10 February 2020 03: 17 New
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      Uproot you !!!

      Your like-minded people already tried 75 years ago. The bummer came out. Want to repeat it? By the way, with the upcoming Victory Day!
    12. Alexey Ilyin 3 March 2020 07: 30 New
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      The ridiculous lie about the IL-20 for the excuse of the helplessness of the Russian military in Khmeimim can deceive only naive and incompetent lamers.
  6. Avior 7 February 2020 14: 27 New
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    But was the last downed Israeli plane shot down over the territory of Israel itself? In any case, he fell, it seems, precisely in Israel.
    And somehow the accusation of aggression was treated
    Or I'm wrong?
    1. Alexey Sommer 7 February 2020 17: 39 New
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      Or I'm wrong?

      Seems to be yes.
      Fell in Israel, was shot down over Syria as far as I remember.
      1. borberd 8 February 2020 22: 50 New
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        As far as I remember, it was shot down over Israel. Syrian C200 missiles fell in both Israel and Jordan and Cyprus. And no one has blamed the Syrians for aggression. If the Syrians could, they would throw Lebanon with their missiles in the hope of getting into an Israeli fighter. Already something, but they have not experienced sentiment towards Lebanon which they occupied for more than 40 years.
  7. Nordic777 7 February 2020 14: 32 New
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    Hello everyone! At the expense of thinking how to bring down planes that have flown out because of the humpback, it’s full. It is necessary to provide the ATS with the possibility of destroying base airfields and decision centers. Roughly, like the Iranian Yankees, only faster. After that, the raids will stop.
    1. Boa kaa 7 February 2020 17: 31 New
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      It is necessary to provide the ATS with the possibility of destroying base airfields and decision centers.

      And this is a purely political decision. Remember that Putin promised Natenyakh when he was selling the S-300 to Syria. Then the Jews were seriously scared that the Syrians would crush their planes when taking off. Putin assured that this will not happen. Well, no.
      And the fact that Hel Avir strikes at Quds detachments and warehouses should be more of a concern to Iran, and not our MO. The main thing is that our facilities are not affected.
    2. Alexey Sommer 7 February 2020 17: 41 New
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      Let's not forget that Israel has approximately 300 nuclear warheads ...
      We’ll hit the base airfields, decision centers ..
      What will happen next, what do you think?
      1. Nick 8 February 2020 01: 33 New
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        Let's not forget that Israel has approximately 300 nuclear warheads ...
        We’ll hit the base airfields, decision centers ..
        What will happen next, what do you think?

        Shaw! Israel has already caught up with China and France on nuclear weapons? belay Wow! And two years ago, Israel had only 80 nuclear weapons.
      2. stepka_razin 8 February 2020 20: 09 New
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        What will happen next, what do you think?

        I think if Israel uses nuclear weapons against the Russian Federation, it will be destroyed by retaliation in 5-7 minutes. You will not envy the surviving IDF forces after a strike, a coalition in the form of Syria, Iran and Iraq will clean them up in XNUMX hours
        After that, the state of Israel will cease to exist
        1. Alexey Sommer 8 February 2020 20: 34 New
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          I think if Israel uses nuclear weapons against the Russian Federation, it will be destroyed

          And what do hundreds of thousands of little girls and boys, children, old people, women who died from this blow think? Your family may be there ..
          They probably want to live. What do you think?
          Or think like in a computer game?)
          1. stepka_razin 9 February 2020 05: 29 New
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            And what do hundreds of thousands of little girls and boys, children, old people, women who died from this blow think? Your family may be there ..
            They probably want to live. What do you think?
            Or think like in a computer game?)

            And this is a respected Jewess you need to think before threatening the Russian Federation
            Let's not forget that Israel has approximately 300 nuclear warheads ...

            There will be losses in the Russian Federation, you will not be, no matter where you are in Israel, they will be destroyed, in the Russian Federation after the strike people will tear
            Good luck to you wink
            1. Alexey Sommer 9 February 2020 05: 56 New
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              And this is a respected Jewess you need to think before threatening the Russian Federation

              Actually, I am a Volga German and live in Russia. I think you have paranoia.
              I want to advise you to buy your brains and politeness. Through the screen you can see that you are missing these components. ) hi
              ps I also found it for you quickly on the Internet .:
              How to treat paranoia?
              antipsychotics - eliminate thinking disorders, defocus a person’s attention;
              antidepressants - normalize mood if symptoms of depression are expressed;
              tranquilizers - quickly eliminate anxiety, fear;
              sedatives - reassure a person, used to treat sleep problems.
              And don’t delay, go to the doctor on Monday morning!
        2. However, dear 9 February 2020 00: 00 New
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          I think if Israel uses nuclear weapons against the Russian Federation, it will be destroyed by retaliation in 5-7 minutes. You will not envy the surviving IDF forces after a strike, a coalition in the form of Syria, Iran and Iraq will clean them up in XNUMX hours
          After that, the state of Israel will cease to exist


          With what sick imagination Israel will use nuclear weapons against Russia ??? It is a weapon of deterrence and retaliation. Israel can turn into glass and radioactive ashes a dozen or two cities of millionaires, but only after perishing. Jews love life. Russians too. So, the apocalypse on both sides is unacceptable, and therefore canceled.
    3. Alexey Ilyin 3 March 2020 07: 32 New
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      And the hernia will not come out of such efficiency?
  8. knn54 7 February 2020 14: 33 New
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    Syrian air defense shot down more than 30 cruise missiles and guided aerial bombs. Someone clearly "highlighted" these goals with the Syrian S-200.
    Хочется добавить один момент- комплексы пока не включены в единую систему ПВО в Сирии. Их просто (в ИНДИВИДУАЛЬНОМ порядке) недостаточно. для того количества ракет, которые запускают израильтяне.
    1. Sandor Clegane 7 February 2020 14: 56 New
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      Quote: knn54

      Syrian air defense shot down more than 30 cruise missiles and guided bombs.

      is it only in the last air raid?
    2. atalef 7 February 2020 15: 49 New
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      Syrian air defense shot down more than 30 cruise missiles and guided bombs

      no evidence was provided
    3. SOVIET UNION 2 7 February 2020 18: 42 New
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      Well, the meaning of remedies if they do not provide protection? Why set if you were not going to include in a single system?
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    5. Vitaly gusin 8 February 2020 11: 07 New
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      quote = knn54] Syrian air defense shot down more than 30 cruise missiles and guided bombs. [/ quote]
      Missile seen in Cyprus

      The remnants of missiles in the SA saw

      But downed over 30 cruise missiles and guided bombs DID NOT SEE!
      But they read SANA, Sina and of course, kissel sets the tone for TV
      And as always EVERYTHING is very simple:
      “At the forefront of the airwave are“ tricks ”, for example, IMI's ATALD (Advanced Tactical Air Launched Decoy & Aerial Target). Their task is to make the enemy believe in the need to use "everything that is possible and what is impossible" to repel an attack of this magnitude.
      This is, in fact, an autonomous drone launched from a fighter, its primary task is to create the largest possible number of plausible false targets on enemy radars. One "ATALD" can simulate a whole fighter or cruise missile chain link to several radars at the same time, tune to their range and give false targets realistic behavior (maneuvering, dodging).
      The drone is insensitive to electronic warfare, because it does not conduct radio intelligence, its main task is to "sparkle like a Christmas tree on New Year's Eve" and attract maximum attention. And its small size, radar absorbing coating and the spatial spread of false targets make it a difficult target to intercept. "
      https://topwar.ru/62605-izrailskaya-otkryvashka-sistem-pvo.html
      HERE ABOUT THOSE OBLIGATED OBJECTIVES AND REPORT TO YOU laughing
      And you swallow it with joy.
    6. Alexey Ilyin 3 March 2020 07: 33 New
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      S-200s are not capable of shooting down such targets.
  9. Cowbra 7 February 2020 14: 43 New
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    Yes that's right. The strike on Lebanese airspace is, firstly, legally identical, and secondly, less effective than, for example, the Tochki-U strike on Israeli airfields. When you arrive at the airfields, the Israeli Air Force’s ability to spoil - they will cut themselves seriously and for a long time
    1. Nordic777 7 February 2020 14: 46 New
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      Exactly!
      1. 2 Level Advisor 9 February 2020 09: 06 New
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        That's right, but Syria doesn’t have a point, and Russia will not fight with Israel .. And in general, yes, when you take out the airfields, it won’t work out especially, this truth has been around for 100 years ..
    2. gmb
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      Самолёт против ПВО, а ракеты против Про , так что ещё неизвестно на чьей стороне будет успех
      1. Cowbra 7 February 2020 15: 16 New
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        22 patriots have already been caught once by the Iraqi SCAD, released around Israel. They didn’t bring down. 22 missiles knocked down ONE! And the ancient one. This is not Point-U
        1. Alexey Ilyin 3 March 2020 08: 02 New
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          What rubbish is this disinformation from?
    3. Zeev Zeev 7 February 2020 14: 58 New
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      При прилете в Израиль ОТРК будет визит израильских ВВС по Дамаску с разрушением пары зданий. В прошлый раз, в 1973 году именно так и случилось.
      1. Cowbra 7 February 2020 16: 16 New
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        There will be an arrival in Israel, which is shot through from a machine gun through. And then the former territories of the cities are covered with salt - it was precisely the last time that the inadequate Jews did. Inadequate - punished.
        1. Zeev Zeev 7 February 2020 16: 20 New
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          Last time, when Jewish cities were destroyed, this required the power of the entire Roman Empire and the loss of a couple of legions. And then, the Jews continued to live on the territory of the Land of Israel.
          1. Cowbra 7 February 2020 16: 34 New
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            Last time, a province in the desert resembling zero was multiplied by an expeditionary force. All the power of the Roman Empire - fought against Carthage, and some cigarette butts from the desert, who thought that because of their insignificance no one remembers about them, were crushed just walking so that they would not fuss under their feet laughing If they hadn’t hit the state support of terrorism, such as the Sykars, they would not have remembered about them — they are like flies, disgusting, but they are too lazy to spend energy on them
            1. Zeev Zeev 7 February 2020 20: 26 New
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              Yeah. Three years of the Great Uprising. Three years of the rebellion of Bar Kochba. The Jewish uprising in Cyrenaica, the uprising in Syria ... Legions from the whole empire were driven away. And by the way, where is that Rome now?
              1. Ezekiel 7 February 2020 20: 35 New
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                And by the way, where is that Rome now?

                Everything is clear with Rome.
                But where is the Jewish people? Where are the Jews?
                It is impossible to seriously consider a crowd of goyim, gathered from around the world thread by string to Galilee, the Jewish people? This is a simulacrum of the Jewish people ...
                1. Ezekiel 7 February 2020 20: 55 New
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                  And where are these Romans now?
                  1. Cowbra 7 February 2020 22: 03 New
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                    Where, where ... The ideological ancestors of the entire Western world? From the Holy Roman Empire in Germany, and its bits now to the principles of Roman law in general in jurisprudence everywhere? Tell me better. where are the greens with sykaria now? U-oops ...
                    More than that. with the Jews it’s probably not very much in the same row to put Moshe Dayan, Field Marshal Milch from the Third Reich and some rabbis from Poland of the 17th century ... Although everyone is Jewish ... And the same Roman eagles very often recalled different zigkhaili , something is left, though not the best part ...
                2. Zeev Zeev 7 February 2020 21: 33 New
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                  And Jews are everywhere bully
              2. Cowbra 7 February 2020 20: 38 New
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                Yes there are all great wars laughing
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Первая_Иудейская_война
                60 thousand Romans got stuck, 300 thousand Jews were spread like sand on foreshak, and so as not to get up twice - and another 600 thousand of their minions, for each Roman 15 "great" turned out ... That's what it was like
                1. Zeev Zeev 7 February 2020 21: 35 New
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                  60 thousand professional Roman soldiers against 300 thousand peasants with stakes and knives. Three years
                  1. Cowbra 7 February 2020 22: 00 New
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                    Well, I’m saying that then the peasants should sit in their kibbutzim and not curry themselves until they are filled with salt. There, in Syria, they are already very professional military men, they have been fighting for a long time, thanks to the common people that a bandit from ISIS caught up on their land. Finish with them - salt - you can find. Especially since there is a reason
                    1. kiril1246 8 February 2020 00: 35 New
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                      Finish with them - salt - you can find.

                      Comrade cow bra, you need to do something. Without you, the Zionists cannot be defeated.
                      1. Cowbra 8 February 2020 08: 03 New
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                        The Jewish Cossacks drove the whole history of the whole planet - from the Egyptians to the Holozad Petliurists ... They will cope once again, if they forgot the story - they will repeat it. this rule is this.
                      2. kiril1246 8 February 2020 16: 53 New
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                        Quote: Cowbra
                        from the Egyptians to the Holozady Petliurists ..

                        И хде те ебиптяне? Исчезли. А петлюровцы в Израиле унитазы моют , ругаются на евреев, но скрепя зубками чистят (см. юзера под ником Маз).
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                        Это когда же они гоняли? В 1948 г? В 1956 г? В 1967 г? В 1973 г? В 1982 г? Походу гонялка у гоняльщиков давно треснула, грыжа вылезла и пупок развязался.
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    Надо же. В сирийском генштабе не смогли додуматься до такой гениальной мысли. Но ты молодец. Как говорится, талант не пропьешь.
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    Ground-based radars S-300 simply do not see the enemy’s aircraft below the horizon. Those. Air defense without AWACS aircraft does not work.

    Plus, the danger of the downing of civilian aircraft of third countries in the airspace of Lebanon, from where Israeli air-to-ground missiles are launched.

    The way out is the mass delivery to Syria of the Pantsir air defense system with Nails designed to intercept attacking ammunition, and not carrier aircraft.

    Israeli carrier aircraft must be shot down with the help of S-300 by the piece directly when landing at the base airfields in Israel, and without a difference they participated in a specific raid on Syria or not - let the Israelis themselves deal with this.
    1. victor50 7 February 2020 15: 12 New
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      Quote: Operator
      Ground-based radars S-300 simply do not see the enemy’s aircraft below the horizon.

      The question has already been asked earlier: why were they delivered to Syria?
      1. Operator 7 February 2020 15: 21 New
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        It is necessary to place a couple of Russian A-100s on the Khmeimim base (for round-the-clock external target designation for the Syrian S-300) and immediately everything will become tip-top laughing
        1. BVS
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          I wonder how it is possible with two planes to provide a XNUMX-hour air patrol? Share this methodology!
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            Syria is small in area - therefore, while one AWACS aircraft is barrage in the air, the other is serviced on the ground, then they change among themselves.
            1. borberd 8 February 2020 23: 15 New
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              Вы хоть понимаете какие это деньги ? Он ведь не один будет летать , а под прикрытием нн-ого колличества истребителей . Кроме того , есть шанс , что доблестные сирийские ракетчики влепят ракету либо в летающий радар ,либо в истребители сопровождения , при очередном налёте .Опять будет работа для Конашенкова ...
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          Ты наверное думаешь что израильтяне по С-300 будут булочками бросать. Имей в виду, не булочки прилетят к С-300 а булыжники. И владельцы С-300, в отличие от тебя, это хорошо понимают. Потому и не рыпаются. Чтобы имидж не испортить и будущие продажи С-300 лохам не сорвать.
    2. 1976AG 7 February 2020 15: 18 New
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      If you shoot down only ammunition, then the strikes will never stop.
      1. Jcvai 7 February 2020 18: 10 New
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        It depends on how you shoot down ... if at the loading stage it will be very effective together with the performers and organizers. That's just politically fraught with it.
        1. borberd 8 February 2020 23: 21 New
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          It will be very painful and offensive to those who try to do this. Well, and accordingly, the entire military branch to which kamikaze belongs. wassat
        2. Alexey Ilyin 3 March 2020 08: 19 New
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          Это чревато отнюдь не политически. Это чревато военно. 1982 год (как и остальные годы) в Генштабе РА не забывают и при одном воспоминании лбы холодной испариной покрываются и нервишки начинают шалить.
    3. Boa kaa 7 February 2020 17: 43 New
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      Quote: Operator
      Israeli carrier aircraft must be shot down with the S-300, individually, when landing at the base airfields in Israel,

      Colleague, you seriously underestimate the ability of Hel Avir to respond! In my opinion, it’s better to negotiate peace than to continue to escalate tensions between countries. Iran, too, he does not make sorties against Israel from his territory. So, we better not meddle in these yard disassembly. We have tasks much more serious than these troubles. Let us better remember our interests, and not take care of strangers. Moreover, Iran is just a fellow traveler, not an ally.
      IMHO.
      1. SOVIET UNION 2 7 February 2020 18: 49 New
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        Moreover, Iran is just a fellow traveler, not an ally.
        Gonna get the nerve to ask. And then who is Israel of Russia?
        1. Boa kaa 7 February 2020 22: 40 New
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          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          And then who is Israel of Russia?

          Partner. According to the leadership of the Russian Federation, it is a generally friendly country in which there are many Russian-speaking immigrants from the former Union, with whom we share common interests on many issues of modern politics.
          Something like that, I guess.
          1. SOVIET UNION 2 8 February 2020 06: 20 New
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            An interesting design is obtained! Syria is our ally, but Israel is a friend! Russia is now in the role of a monkey? Smart here, beautiful here. Monkey, why are you rushing around? Should I be torn? wassat
            1. Boa kaa 8 February 2020 10: 38 New
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              Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
              Syria is our ally, but Israel is a friend! Russia is now in the role of a monkey?

              1. Do we really have an alliance agreement with Syria?
              2. Friendly relations with a partner. Where is the friend here?
              7. USSR / RF have never been a monkey. A bear - yes, a monkey - no.
              1. SOVIET UNION 2 8 February 2020 15: 38 New
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                Agreement between the Russian Federation and the Syrian Arab Republic on the deployment of an aviation group of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic (as amended on January 18, 2017)

                Guided by the provisions of the Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Syrian Arab Republic of October 8, 1980, as well as the Agreement between the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Defense of the Syrian Arab Republic on military cooperation of July 7, 1994,

                At the request of the Syrian Party, the Russian Party shall deploy a Russian aviation group on the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic.
                There is no union agreement. Is our military just like that in Syria?
                1. Boa kaa 8 February 2020 15: 48 New
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                  Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                  There is no union agreement. Is our military just like that in Syria?

                  My dearest! you are absolutely right:
                  1. union agreement - NO! For an allied treaty presupposes an armed defense of the territory and sovereignty of an ally as its own.
                  2. Do not confuse the Union Treaty and the Agreement on the deployment of troops (air groups) in the territory of the partner. This is the same as we rented a base for the Baltic Fleet from Finland before the war. And what, were the Finns our allies?
                  Therefore, do not be clever, learn better ... lessons!
    4. mark2 7 February 2020 18: 29 New
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      Below the horizon?
      Then the question is: how are Jewish planes on target? Or do they bullet into the sky and the rocket itself is guided or even so there their plane drills flies somewhere? Maybe to start doing it?
      1. Operator 7 February 2020 18: 32 New
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        The coordinates of the launch point, the flight path of the rocket and the coordinates of the target are determined by GPS.
      2. Vitaly gusin 8 February 2020 10: 40 New
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        Quote: mark2
        Then the question is: how are Jewish planes on target?

        Quote: mark2
        Maybe to start doing it?

        No
        First you need to read a lot. a lot of.
        Israeli "opener" air defense systems
        November 17 2014

        https://topwar.ru/62605-izrailskaya-otkryvashka-sistem-pvo.html
        Today 2020 year!
    5. Alexey RA 7 February 2020 19: 19 New
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      Ground-based radars S-300 simply do not see the enemy’s aircraft below the horizon. Those. Air defense without AWACS aircraft does not work.

      It will not work with AWACS either, because in order to defeat a radar’s target, a division’s radar must detect this target (using an external missile defense system), capture it, and accompany it before it hits a missile defense. If the radar does not see the target, it will not hit the missiles. If the target managed to disrupt the capture and go into the shaded sector before meeting with the missiles, the missiles will not hit it.
      This is not counting the SAM with ARLGSN - but it is unlikely that the Syrians have such wealth.
    6. However, dear 9 February 2020 00: 38 New
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      Israeli carrier aircraft must be shot down with the help of S-300 by the piece directly when landing at the base airfields in Israel, and without a difference they participated in a specific raid on Syria or not - let the Israelis themselves deal with this.


      And everyone knows how to overcome the Zionists. And everything seems to be all right, looking at the theater from the sofa. All tips are good. But for some reason, nothing happens. And so since 1948. What's wrong? Are they smart or maybe Gd for them? wassat
    7. Alexey Ilyin 3 March 2020 07: 36 New
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      The curvature of the Earth will not allow.
  • Tank jacket 7 February 2020 14: 47 New
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    Israel is not long left behind. Until November 2020, after Trump's re-election. Pull the tail and crawl into the Eurasian Union.
    "Те совсем не наши, те, что арендаторствуют на Украйне! Ей-богу, не наши! То совсем не the Jews: то черт знает что. То такое, что только поплевать на него, да и бросить! Вот и они скажут то же. Не правда ли, Шлема, или ты, Шмуль?.." (с) Гоголь "Тарас Бульба."
    1. kiril1246 8 February 2020 00: 40 New
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      Pull the tail and crawl into the Eurasian Union.

      к ЕАО на Дальнем Востоке добавится ИАО на Ближнем.
      1. Tank jacket 8 February 2020 07: 20 New
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        This is the least bloody scenario for Jews ... There is another, one from Henry Kissinger.
        1. kiril1246 9 February 2020 00: 17 New
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          Quote: Tank jacket
          This is the least bloody scenario for Jews ... There is another, one from Henry Kissinger.

          very scary. it's so nice to dream about ripped Jewish feather-beds
    2. Alexey Ilyin 3 March 2020 07: 40 New
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      Израиль и до Трампа куражился не меньше. Так что дело не в Трампе.
  • KVU-NSVD 7 February 2020 14: 49 New
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    В сирийском неб три большие проблемы - непонятно , кто летит , или нет приказа сбить , или "арабытупят" . Есть ещё и специфическое дополнние к ситуации - наша ситуационная "дружба" с Израилем и , одновременно , ситуационное покровительство над его противником
    1. victor50 7 February 2020 15: 10 New
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      it is not clear who is flying

      And has anyone else shot Israel from Lebanon in Syria? lol
      1. KVU-NSVD 7 February 2020 15: 26 New
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        Quote: victor50
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        it is not clear who is flying

        And has anyone else shot Israel from Lebanon in Syria? lol

        The problem with Israeli strikes is not where they are shooting from, but that they are counteracting them "for show." If there was an order to shoot them down without warning, then they would fall off, like winter crops during frosts ... And they see them, and they can shoot them down, but there is no order ...
        1. LiSiCyn 7 February 2020 16: 22 New
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          Victor, welcome hi
          Is an option possible the destruction of Israeli aircraft from the territory of Lebanon? Hezbollah Moget? I understand that air defense, as such, is not there ... But if the Hussites were shooting down in Yemen, then they could in Lebanon. Husits ​​were able to adapt explosive rockets for ground launchers. What is stopping Hezbollah from doing the same? They are afraid of escalation to their ter-ju, but after all, Israel periodically strikes at Lebanon.
          IMHO: Israel therefore beats at night, knowing that during the day, it is possible to run into.
          1. KVU-NSVD 7 February 2020 17: 03 New
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            Iran helps Hussites, because our tasks ... so far we have our own ... karma, damn it, one can be unlimited in life, others will not understand ... Hello to purebred Aborigines! .. Don’t be offended, your nickname is pulling you to snitch ..
            1. LiSiCyn 7 February 2020 17: 20 New
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              So Lebanon, also in the sphere of Iran’s interests ... I think the point is in detection and guidance. Israel very tightly scans the ter-ue of Lebanon and the appearance of the radar, will cause an immediate reaction. Husits ​​were guided through optical channels. Probably this will not work at night. request
              Quote: KVU-NSVD
              Hello to purebred aborigines

              Yeah, very purebred. lol So much mixed up, mother do not grieve ... So far, only blacks and gypsies have not been found. And the Jews. Though... what
              1. KVU-NSVD 7 February 2020 17: 28 New
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                Почему не сбивают иранцы - это вопрос к иранцам . нО ВЫСКАЖУ ВСЁЖЕ КРАМОЛЬНУЮ МЫСЛЬ - ВАЛЬНУТЬ ИЗРАИЛЬСКИЙ И ТУРЕЦКИЙ ВОЕННЫЕ БОРТА СРАЗУ ПОСЛЕ ИХ АКЦИЙ В СВОЁ ВРЕМЯ БЫЛО НАДО , НО ТЕПЕРЬ УЖЕ ПОЗДНЯК КУЛАКАМИ МАХАТЬ ...
                1. LiSiCyn 7 February 2020 17: 36 New
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                  Quote: KVU-NSVD
                  BUT NOW ALREADY A LATE WALKING FILES ...

                  So this is not we. Hezbollah. With the help of Iran. And yet, I think you can catch the Jews. When they get used to acting in the same way, they relax ... You can take advantage of this.
          2. Nehist 7 February 2020 20: 03 New
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            Гг когда-то на территории Ливана была мощная Сирийская группировка 5 бригад ЗРК ПВО и авиация... Операция Арцав-19 помножила её на ноль. Не нужно не до оценивать Израиль. В том регионе на данном этапе это самые боеспособные ВС
            1. LiSiCyn 7 February 2020 20: 36 New
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              Quote: Nehist
              No need not to rate Israel

              Nobody is going to. This is a one-time promotion. If the Israeli Air Force, go the same path, then you can prepare them a surprise.
              1. Nehist 7 February 2020 20: 47 New
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                Knowing the principles of Israel, I do not think that a one-time action will remain without consequences. And if the pilot dies, the consequences will be more than serious
          3. gmb
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            Happy air defense see better, probably with my own eyes
          4. shahor 10 February 2020 03: 29 New
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            Quote: LiSiCyn
            Israel therefore beats at night, knowing that during the day, it is possible to run into.

            As you precisely noticed! At night, the radar sees worse than during the day! One feels the specialist is no worse than the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners!
            1. LiSiCyn 10 February 2020 11: 16 New
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              Have you carefully read what I wrote?
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              Husits ​​were able to adapt explosive rockets for ground launchers. What is stopping Hezbollah from doing the same?

              Missiles were guided through the optical channel. Without radar.
              Quote: shahor
              One feels the specialist is no worse than the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners!

              I just asked a specialist a question ... But what kind of "specialist" are you? I dont know... request
        2. victor50 7 February 2020 16: 25 New
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          And they see them, and they can bring down, but there is no order ...

          Why? request
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            Quote: victor50
            Quote: KVU-NSVD
            And they see them, and they can bring down, but there is no order ...

            Why?

            Politics ... it's such a dirty thing. And all for the sake of their own interests ... But these same "interests" different layers of society understand differently, sometimes not in the way that management would like. request
            1. However, dear 9 February 2020 01: 34 New
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              Quote: BoA KAA
              Quote: victor50
              Quote: KVU-NSVD
              And they see them, and they can bring down, but there is no order ...

              Why?

              Politics ... it's such a dirty thing. And all for the sake of their own interests ... But these same "interests" different layers of society understand differently, sometimes not in the way that management would like.


              The Syrians want to shoot down and there is an order, but they can’t. The Russians in Khmeimim do not want to bring down and there is no order, because there is mutual understanding: you do not touch us, but we do. That's the whole tricky layout.
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          But how could Il be shot down without an order, and then ^ a watermelon ^ was almost taken down?
  • rocket757 7 February 2020 14: 51 New
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    to evaluate the effectiveness or inefficiency of their combat employment in this regard is simply meaningless. Moreover, the use of Russian complexes against Israeli aviation is not only a military and technical issue, but also a political one, and Russia, as you know, claims special relations not only with Syria, but also with Israel,

    when they rule politics, the military nervously \ calmly smoke aside.
    So it was, it is, it will always be so.
    1. 1976AG 7 February 2020 15: 21 New
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      The S-300 is in service with the Syrian army and it is quite normal to use it to protect against air strikes. He was created for this.
      1. rocket757 7 February 2020 17: 00 New
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        Who will say what order their Pvoshniki received?
  • Amateur 7 February 2020 14: 53 New
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    Israeli Air Force regularly shell Syria. What about Russian C-300?

    This is not Russian but Syrian S-300, made in Russia. Syrian crews are sitting on them, and teams come to them from the Syrian command.
    But if someone tries to attack the a / b Khmeinim, then the air defense systems will be Russian.
    Mr. Polonsky needs to feel the difference and use words more carefully. recourse
    1. atalef 7 February 2020 15: 52 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      They are sitting on the Syrian calculations

      trained and received admission to independent duty from whom?
      Quote: Amateur
      they come from the Syrian command.

      but they don’t want to bring down
      1. Amateur 7 February 2020 15: 55 New
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        but they don’t want to bring down

        And how do I know what they want. And you do not know. But Israeli planes do not fly into Syrian airspace. Shoot either from the sea or from Lebanon
      2. kiril1246 8 February 2020 01: 07 New
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        Quote: atalef
        but they don’t want to bring down

        Стесняются. Что сирийцы, что иранцы, как запустят ракету , так сразу на один лайнер в мире становится меньше. Вместе с С-300 забыли швейные машинки поставить, что б руки арабам перешить на плечи.
  • Thrifty 7 February 2020 14: 53 New
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    Ilya, do you want to consider the option that the complexes can really hit the targets only after agreeing directly with Moscow? There is politics everywhere, and a strong Syrian army is also not only not profitable for many, it’s dangerous! And, besides the Turks, also, at least, the Israelis do not want to strengthen the Syrian army, and therefore they bombard its territory constantly. There is clearly a treaty under which there is a taboo on the defeat of Israeli military aircraft, say, in exchange for the non-expansion by Israel of bombing of certain territories of Syria.
  • victor50 7 February 2020 15: 07 New
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    The thing is that the Israeli Air Force avoids violating Syrian airspace. They hit Syrian territory, appearing in the sky, for example, over Lebanon. Therefore, Damascus has hands tied. If Syrian air defense crashes an Israeli plane in the sky above Lebanon and does not intrude into Syrian airspace, Damascus will be exposed as an aggressor, which is what it needs least of all in the current political situation.
    1. As if Syria is now not a fiend of hell in the representation of "partners."
    2. And if an American plane fires at a target in the Russian Federation from Finland, we will also think about how they will call us? If only they did not expose the aggressor ?! Are these not priorities? request
    1. horus88 7 February 2020 15: 21 New
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      the problem is that as soon as the Syrians begin to bring down the Jews, there will be a war in which the Jews crush the Syrians. If we don’t sign up to the full for them. But we don’t need it.
      But if the Americans attack us from the territory of Chuhland, then we can answer Finns without any problems and no one will condemn us.
      1. victor50 7 February 2020 16: 23 New
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        Quote: horus88
        the problem is that as soon as the Syrians begin to bring down the Jews, there will be a war in which the Jews crush the Syrians. If we don’t sign up to the full for them. But we don’t need it.

        1. A year, rather, 2 years ago, the Syrians did fill up an Israeli fighter. The war did not start.
        2. It seems to me that we have recently very well learned to find excuses ..., well, or excuses ... as we like. sad
        1. horus88 7 February 2020 17: 27 New
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          and what should we do? At the moment, we are not a match for the USA in terms of its influence on other countries. The USSR could place missiles in a cube, but what can we do? Either the whole world is in dust, or systematically, step by step, rise from the bottom. Until we catch up and overtake.
          I am for the second option.
          And everything will turn out, perhaps not with us, but it will work out. I believe in it
          1. victor50 7 February 2020 17: 42 New
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            Quote: horus88
            and what should we do?

            You wrote everything correctly. That's right. Just yelling that we’ll lower the adversary’s aircraft to the ground, and, in general, it will not rise from the airfields, wetting itself, as it was when the S-300 was delivered to Syria, is not necessary. That is, it’s better not to scream, but to do it. And even if we did not know about these deliveries at all, we would only know when the enemy plane crashed to the ground. And even better if "shot down by a rocket of unknown origin." wink Well, at least in the beginning. Then all the same would get to the bottom. laughing
      2. Boa kaa 7 February 2020 18: 00 New
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        Quote: horus88
        But if the Americans attack us from the territory of Chuhland, then we can answer Finns without any problems and no one will condemn us.

        1. Мы будем (и вправе!) сбивать только СВН, нарушившие наше воздушное пространство (РФ).
        2. Фины такого не допустят, бо там реальные политики у руля.
        3. But the Tribalts can wave the Yankees in order to create a whitewash incident. And then a howl on a mn scale and new sanctions, another screech at the UN of the whole staff party. Allegedly aggressive Russians hinder small, white and fluffy tribals. "Atu" them !!!
        Somehow, however.
    2. prior 7 February 2020 15: 22 New
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      If Lebanon allows the Israelis to fire from their airspace, let Lebanon rake in.
      1. Nehist 7 February 2020 20: 08 New
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        Lebanon at the time, so ogreb !!! (by the way from Syria) that the once prosperous country is still in ruins
  • Provincial_71 7 February 2020 15: 22 New
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    На мой взгляд, причина в том, что воевать на два фронта (а на самом деле и больше) у Сирии ресурсов сейчас нет. Успешная работа по израильским летунам однозначно приведёт к эскалации и ещё большим потерям. Время ещё не пришло.
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      Quote: Provincial_71
      In my opinion, the reason is that Syria now has no resources to fight on two fronts (and actually more)

      IMHO the best answer!
  • kpd
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    Missiles are also worth a lot of money, because no one will spend expensive missiles of the S-300 complex on shooting down enemy missiles. Just the damage from Israeli attacks is still less than the cost of ammunition. Another thing would be the opportunity to bring down a plane ...
    Yes, the S-300 was designed taking into account the possibility of destroying cruise missiles, but Tomahawk with a nuclear warhead is one thing, and what’s the reason for the Israeli Air Force’s strikes is completely different in terms of danger class.
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      Quote: kpd
      Missiles are also worth a lot of money, because no one will spend expensive missiles of the S-300 complex on shooting down enemy missiles


      Quote: kpd
      Just the damage from Israeli attacks is still less than the cost of ammunition

    2. Jcvai 7 February 2020 17: 19 New
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      The cost of launching one rocket with S-300 is about 20k uev, F-16 with a pilot more than 5kk, one AGM-154 more than 200k ... (if the Internet does not lie with the prices)
      With comparable budgets, the S-300 can be used for fireworks and prevention.
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        Amendment - 20KU is for the country of manufacture, how much Syria missiles cost, we do not know, but there are hardly any prices there for the Russian army.
  • Alex Nevs 7 February 2020 15: 34 New
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    ТАК ННАДО! И фсё.Можно и с территории Сирии лупануть ракетами. Но- не было команды.
  • JonnyT 7 February 2020 15: 39 New
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    And they’re doing the right thing, so far they don’t knock it down yet. First Idlib must finish
  • aiden 7 February 2020 15: 39 New
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    Why do not shoot down? For the same reason that Israel’s clowns are not being banned here, they’ve been incriminating Russia. If ordinary Russians have a desire to clean the face of this evil, then the leadership of the portal and the state with the Israelis have common interests. And the general ones are interesting
    they either have loot, or nationality, or relatives in Israel. That's all. Plus they still manage to have mercy for drugs, and not shoot them.
    1. Usher 7 February 2020 18: 05 New
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      Quote: aiden
      Why do not shoot down? For the same reason that Israel’s clowns are not being banned here, they’ve been incriminating Russia. If ordinary Russians have a desire to clean the face of this evil, then the leadership of the portal and the state with the Israelis have common interests. And the general ones are interesting
      they either have loot, or nationality, or relatives in Israel. That's all. Plus they still manage to have mercy for drugs, and not shoot them.

      Vo in and I about the same, it is high time to send a couple of provocateurs to the ban, every lie and provocation is bred. Recently I tried to have a conversation with one about the Kuril Islands, it all came down to the fact that Russia is an aggressor. I told him one thing, he’s talking about something else entirely. And most importantly, the Jews are ill, probably the very same.
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        I also argued with one. As a result, he’s nothing, and I’m in a ban for a month.
  • atalef 7 February 2020 15: 40 New
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    . But this statement, most likely, is not true, and is intended only to convince a Western audience of the low quality of Russian weapons.

    The thing is that the Israeli Air Force avoids violating Syrian airspace. They hit Syrian territory, appearing in the sky, for example, over Lebanon. Therefore, Damascus has hands tied.

    here is a drive.
  • Nick Russ 7 February 2020 15: 49 New
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    "The thing is that the Israeli air force avoids violating Syrian airspace. They hit Syrian territory, appearing in the sky, for example, over Lebanon. Therefore, Damascus has his hands tied. If the Syrian air defense crashes an Israeli plane in the sky above Lebanon and does not intruding into Syria’s airspace, Damascus will be put up by the aggressor, which is what he needs least of all in the current political situation. "

    In my opinion, some kind of nonsense. As I understand it, the aggressor is the one who attacks. And if you bring down Jews over Lebanon, it will be just a defense and nothing more.
    Here, rather, they simply suffer them, and do not want to disperse forces, of which there are not many. Apparently, this is currently more profitable. Otherwise, a sluggish war with Israel could go into an acute phase.
    Better to hit the airfields. And not Assad, but with the wrong hands. The Hussites have Point U.
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      Here, rather, they simply suffer them, and do not want to disperse forces, of which there are not many. Apparently, this is currently more profitable. Otherwise, a sluggish war with Israel could go into an acute phase.

      As I understand it, the S-200 fires regularly. Our IL-20 is one of the evidence of this. Therefore, your explanation does not fit. There must be another reason. And I would not want to think that the problem is in the complexes.
  • jekasimf 7 February 2020 15: 49 New
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    If the Syrian air defense knocked down an Israeli plane in the sky above Lebanon ....... then Damascus will be exposed by the aggressor.
    This is not an argument. If an enemy plane shells the territory of a sovereign state, even from a neighboring territory, it is still aggression. And the plane must be destroyed, and the aggressor must retaliate. And for some reason, Israel spits on the fact that it strikes from the territory of Lebanon . And no one exposes him as an aggressor.
    And about the recent incident. Apparently, it was not just comrades who flew from Iran to Damascus if Israel struck the airport and the Khmeimim base took on board.
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    что мешает поставить маловысотные РЛС разведки и обнаружения(п-19 например) на господствующих высотах у границы Ливана и Сирии и передавать целеуказания в дивизион С-300? или поставить там позиции Панцирей или Буков и долбить евреев как только они высунут нос? Политика мешает. У евреев пока развязаны руки. И я думаю, что сбитый украинский Боинг в Иране их рук дело-никому кроме Израиля это не нужно.. А С-300 с таким рельефом как в Сирии слепоглухой и без радиотехнической поддержки почти бесполезен. В ПВО СССР каждому зрдн привязывалась орлр, которая обеспчивала его радиотехнической информацией и целеуказанием. Так и побеждали
  • Zeev Zeev 7 February 2020 16: 17 New
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    Well, now without politics. None of the air defense systems can stop a properly planned and prepared attack on a specific object. Especially if the attack is carried out by competent specialists using suitable technical means. Moreover, even the creation of layered air defense is not a panacea for a strike, which has been repeatedly demonstrated over the past 60 years in very many places. The whole question is the quantity and quality of the funds used.
    1. Boa kaa 7 February 2020 18: 15 New
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      None of the air defense systems can stop a properly planned and prepared attack on a specific object.

      Stop ... perhaps not. But to repel the blow - maybe. With the integrated use of airborne warning systems, electronic warfare, air defense systems and air defense systems. You can also include fighter aircraft. But for this you need to be at war with the opposing side. We must have resources that the Syrians do not currently have. And that is a fact.
      1. Nehist 7 February 2020 20: 14 New
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        Hmm, Syria, in fact, already knows how long it takes to be at war with Israel. And honestly, Israel could have slammed Syria for a long time. But Israel is not profitable.
      2. Zeev Zeev 7 February 2020 20: 15 New
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        In 1982, the Syrians in Bekaa had it all. Did not help.
        1. Boa kaa 7 February 2020 21: 57 New
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          Apparently the advisers were released on vacation in the USSR. And it happens ... And it happens like this:
          Israel has carefully prepared for air strikes. For Tel Aviv, it was a matter of honor - to avenge the defeat of their Air Force from Egyptian and Syrian air defense during October war of 1973 According to Western sources, then, in the first three days of the fighting, Israel lost 50 aircraft. The Kvadrat air defense system (SA-6 Gainful), the Strela-2 MANPADS and the Shilka ZSU-7-23 were shot down by 4 of the 53 Israeli A-170 Skyhawk attack aircraft and 4 of 33 fighters Bomber F-177 Phantom. With the help of the Kvadrat air defense system alone, 4 Israeli fighter jets and attack aircraft were destroyed. In just one day, October 40, 14, Egyptian anti-aircraft missile systems destroyed 1973 Israeli aircraft. Tel Aviv acknowledged the death of 14 pilots and the loss of 53 combat vehicles. According to Western estimates, Israel lost 104-180 aircraft, and according to Soviet data - 200. After the Yom Kippur War, Israeli pilots nicknamed the Kvadrat complex “Three Fingers of Death” (according to the number of missiles on one launcher).

          But you only remember the "pleasant" episodes of your banditry in BV.
          1. Zeev Zeev 8 February 2020 08: 10 New
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            Remind me where the war, begun by the vile attack of the Egyptians and Syrians, ended?
            1. Boa kaa 8 February 2020 10: 33 New
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              launched by a vile attack

              Are you talking about Israeli attacks on Arab states in 1956, 1967, 1982? Then everything is right!
              1. Zeev Zeev 8 February 2020 14: 00 New
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                This is about the attack of the Arab armies in 1948, the day after the proclamation of the State of Israel. And about all the actions of the Arab countries between the wars.
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              Remind me where the war, begun by the vile attack of the Egyptians and Syrians, ended?

              at the same time to remind where the command "stand!" laughing You guys got wild! But this is only the current moment .. Concrete, historical .. What if everything changes !? wink You need to be more modest. lol
              1. Zeev Zeev 8 February 2020 15: 05 New
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                What are your funny fantasies. When the Jews crossed the Canal, the whole world yelled, “Stop.” Because it was 120 km to Cairo and not a single combat-ready unit. The mighty USSR was so frightened that it almost started a nuclear war.
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                  that he nearly unleashed a nuclear war.

                  You yourself answered, and the rest is your "funny fantasies." I respect Israel and its citizens. But, sometimes it all starts with a somewhat high self-conceit, and then “the whole world turns into dust”, “has no analogues”, “come, repeat”, etc. ... I’m trying to warn against this. Fortunately, you can verify the correctness of my words right on this site.
  • rotkiv04 7 February 2020 16: 18 New
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    “Russia, as you know, claims to have a special relationship not only with Syria, but also with Israel,” it turns out Putin is sitting on two chairs, but like everyone else, his ass will also tear when
  • Yuri 7 February 2020 16: 18 New
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    Whatever the answer to this question, the bottom line is the complete failure of the “equip Syria S-300” project and the discrediting of Russian weapons, there are plenty of Australian experts on this matter. I recall that Putin promised that everyone would feel the difference, much like with tomatoes.

    It turns out right according to Churchill - and war and humiliation.

    But what if the liner would have been from Moscow, and could not have avoided shelling? Would you bear it too?
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      But what if the liner would have been from Moscow, and could not have avoided shelling? Would you bear it too?

      Sir, if my grandmother had a child-bearing organ, then she would be ... grandfather!
      Во-вторых, Израэль поостерегся бы напрямую подвергать АП Дамаска обстрелу, когда на полосу садится самолет их Москвы. Я в этом больше чем уверен. Ибо у евреев намного меньше де-билов, чем комментаторов на сайте ВО!
      Насчет "стерпели бы" или нет судить не берусь, т.к. это политика высших пределов, до которых нам, как пешком до ЛУНЫ!
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        Israel would have been careful not to directly bombard the Damascus AP when their Moscow plane lands on the strip.

        Tell the downed IL-20.
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          Tell the downed IL-20.

          The IL-20’s deaths were caused by the underestimates of the AAA air defense system, which could not recognize the target and timely undermine the missile launcher when it was redirected to our scout.
          The Jews acted genuinely (this is their national trait), but this is war. But in the war everyone wants to survive, especially not understanding the means ...
      2. Yuri 7 February 2020 21: 12 New
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        The question is whether they would have endured or not, not actually to you, but rather a rhetorical one. Perhaps yes, they will try to avoid the incident with the RUSSIAN passenger liner - and thanks for that!
        I don’t know about grandparents, but you are right about the moon. A lot of what is happening is not known to any of us. However, references to high political categories remind me that the most ugly, catastrophic mistakes, as well as the bloodiest crimes in history, were committed by people very knowledgeable, "because they are sitting there" and "smarter than you and me."
        Факт, что мини мировая война, в которую Россия уже вмешалась не собирается заканчиваться, а страны мешающие ей закончиться объявили себя неприкасаемыми, кто в разных воздушных пространствах, а кто и вовсе на сирийской территории. И ничего с этим Россия не хочет или нет может поделать.

        A few days ago, VO talked about the fate of Syria, when it all ends and how. So I am afraid that a war going on at such a pace at a certain moment will begin to turn into a defeat for Russia and, ultimately, an exodus from Syria. And this in its negative consequences - as it were, so as not to offend anyone - will be like the Crimean War multiplied by the Russo-Japanese War.
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        Second paragraph is wonderful
  • Ratmir_Ryazan 7 February 2020 16: 21 New
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    If you are beaten, you must beat in response, otherwise your feet will simply begin to wipe about you.

    Russia is not obliged to restrain Syria in protecting its land, and Syria is obliged to protect itself, by all means, that is!

    Syrian planes must be shot down not only over the territory of Lebanon, but even over the territory of Israel. These devils completely lost their conscience.

    Only the dying fragments of an Israeli aircraft will cool the insane Israeli military.
    1. Shimshon 7 February 2020 20: 44 New
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      [quote] Syrian aircraft must be shot down not only over the territory of Lebanon, but even over the territory of Israel. These devils have completely lost their fear and conscience / quote] Amen!
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      Syrian planes must be shot down not only over the territory of Lebanon, but even over the territory of Israel. These devils completely lost their fear and conscience [quote = Ratmir_Ryazan],
      You are right as never before wassat
  • Morgan 7 February 2020 16: 23 New
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    "landscape-geographical factors", "insufficient level of qualification", "poorly located in the highlands", "Russia, as you know, claims to have a special relationship" - THE BAD DANCER EGGERS!
  • Khoja Nasredin 7 February 2020 16: 58 New
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    Россия , проявляет нейтралитет в противостоянии израильтян и персов. России выгодно тормозить растущее влияние иранцев в Сирии , силами Израиля. Также надо принять во внимание качество израильских ВВС, пилотов, авионики, самолетов, лучших в мире.
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      Quote: Khoja Nasredin
      Россия , проявляет нейтралитет в противостоянии израильтян и персов. России выгодно тормозить растущее влияние иранцев в Сирии , силами Израиля. Также надо принять во внимание качество израильских ВВС, пилотов, авионики, самолетов, лучших в мире.

      Seriously? About the quality of the best aircraft in the world? Since when has the F-16 become the best in the world?
  • Gust 7 February 2020 16: 58 New
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    When an air defense breakthrough, the advantage is always on the side of the attacker. Separated air defense is many times more stable and efficient, but without the support of fighter aircraft and AWACS is also doomed. Whether it's the S-300, Patriot or the Iron Dome.
  • Jcvai 7 February 2020 17: 01 New
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    Because with protracted missile attacks on air defense without strategic missile forces it is useless. Now, if there was an “oncoming” at the airfields of aggressors ...
  • zoland 7 February 2020 17: 12 New
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    Quote: K-50
    Quote: 210ox
    Have you not forgiven? Putin visited Israel not so long ago ...

    This is hardly an indicator. In addition to the president, there are still people, and the people, according to Truth, are judging by the native Russian.
    Therefore, when the bill is presented, a terrible tsimes will wait for the Jews (as it seems to them). Tryndets in our opinion. But so far no time is visible. sad

    Tsimes (Yiddish צימעס) - a dessert dish of Jewish cuisine [1]. It is a sweet vegetable stew of various composition, which depends on the area and circumstances. Accordingly, there are carrot, bean, chickpea and other varieties of cimes [2] [3] [4].
  • Alexey Sommer 7 February 2020 17: 17 New
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    in the sky, for example, over Lebanon. Therefore, Damascus has hands tied.

    This is the truth in my opinion.
    And missiles do not hit the earth with air from rockets (S-300). Shells and tori work on them.
    But not everyone knocks.
    Jews, after all, are not fools.
    ps Syria is now one of the best air defense in the world IMHO.
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    Кремль что не может договориться с Израилем- мы летим , пару ракет пустим, принимайте! А так ясень перец , из за гор , в тихушку, не по честному! Не по братски , чё мы асаду скажем, извини брат , евреи не предупредили , обманом занимаются! Да и мы холопы, вдруг задумаемся- с 300 круто, лучше в мире нет, а тут хе...ня какая то!
  • Usher 7 February 2020 18: 00 New
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    If Syrian air defense crashes an Israeli aircraft in the sky above Lebanon and does not intrude into Syrian airspace, Damascus will be exposed as an aggressor

    L !!! Logic, bombing is not aggression, but aggression is defended. What kind of nonsense?

    our Israeli readers

    Readers damn, provocateurs and not ours. I would say who they are, but the moderator will not miss. And they use it.
  • Razvedka_Boem 7 February 2020 18: 58 New
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    It's not about the effectiveness or inefficiency of the air defense system ..
    It's just politics .. Where there are no friends or sworn enemies.
    But there are interests.
    Morality, etc. in politics are absolutely inappropriate categories.
    "Russia has only two allies - its army and navy"
    "Britain has no permanent friends - there are permanent interests"
    If you wish, you can find many more similar statements.
    The essence is the same - the forest is cut, chips fly.
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    [/ quote] Moreover, the use of Russian systems against Israeli aviation is not only a military and technical issue, but also a political one, and Russia, as you know, claims special relations not only with Syria, but also with Israel, declaring the existence of existing military communication channels. [quote]
    Перелёт птиц не контролируется. Всё дело в архитектуре построения ПВО.Мёртвые зоны есть ,их ПВО САА не контролирует .Да и там ничего нету.
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    = Если сирийские ПВО собьют израильский самолет, находящийся в небе над Ливаном и не вторгающийся в воздушное пространство Сирии, то Дамаск будет выставлен агрессором, что ему и так менее всего нужно в сложившейся политической обстановке.=
    What kind of flawed logic? In the same way, Syria can say - Lebanon is an aggressor, since strikes are being made from its airspace
    = Much more interesting is the version that the S-300s were unsuccessfully located in mountainous areas, which created significant obstacles to their effective operation. =
    Another cheap excuse.
    Most likely, these attacks are the result of an agreement between Nataniyah and Putin. And then we wonder why Iran is not very friendly with us.
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    most likely, the S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems against Israeli aircraft attacking Syrian soil from Lebanese territory are currently simply not being used.

    Вообще то - да. Стоят в качестве мебели.
  • Shahno 7 February 2020 20: 52 New
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    Yes there are all great wars laughing
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Первая_Иудейская_война
    60 thousand Romans got stuck, 300 thousand Jews were spread like sand on foreshak, and so as not to get up twice - and another 600 thousand of their minions, for each Roman 15 "great" turned out ... That's what it was like

    We are sure that 300 thousand died on the battlefield. It seems like half of starvation and illness died in cities, in Jerusalem, for example.
    Here Rome then was very lamented by the testimonies of historians that the victory went with great blood ..
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      только сейчас) евреи в гипотетическом конфликте в вакууме , размажут римлян)))) тонким слоем )
  • Old26 7 February 2020 20: 55 New
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    Quote: 210ox
    Not just a layered system. Some C300 will not do the weather

    Moreover, I heard that he is scattered in different areas

    Quote: Pessimist22
    It is necessary to beat them not in the sky, but at the airport, let Iran give them rockets, destroy ten aircraft on the ground and then they will be calmer.

    Yes they have rockets. Only if Syria launches a missile strike on Israel, will it begin to roll out into a thin pancake. Destroying primarily air defense systems, airfields, communication and control centers.

    Quote: K-50
    And this is not the first time that Jews attacking Syria by hiding in a foreign plane, provoking its air defense.
    Jews "play out." They probably think that Russia will forgive them the IL-20. No, we all remember. the time will come and “present” the bills. You will answer us for the 1917 revolution. Uproot you !!

    I just don’t understand one thing in this situation.
    Аэродром Дамаска расположен в 16-20 км от пригородов Дамаска. Направление полос "северо-восток - юго-запад". Причем ближняя к территории Израиля полоса принадлежит военно-воздушной базе. Полоса гражданского аэропорта находится километрах в четырех от ВВБ.
    If Israeli planes attacked through Lebanon, that is, from the north-west and shot at the suburbs of Damascus, how could the Syrian air defense be fired so that they nearly shot down a plane landing from the northeast two dozen kilometers from the suburbs of Damascus ?? ?? Here is a grown up. And how then do Israeli planes located at a distance of about 90-100 km from the airport in the opposite direction hide behind a civilian airliner?

    Quote: Nick Russ
    The Hussites have Point U.

    Yes, and what? She has already become with a range of 1500-2000 km?
  • Shahno 7 February 2020 21: 40 New
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    60 thousand professional Roman soldiers against 300 thousand peasants with stakes and knives. Three years

    When the Mosad really faced the warriors it was much more sad for the Romans ...
  • Vitaly gusin 7 February 2020 21: 49 New
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    Why the S-300 does not protect Syria from Israeli aviation: reflections and versions
    Syria’s air defense missile systems were hit in response and were nearly shot down by a civilian Airbus A-320 that was landing at the airport in Damascus on the Tehran-Damascus flight (there were 172 people on board). Only thanks to the skill of the dispatchers who transferred the board to the alternate aerodrome did catastrophe escape
    "According to the Flightradar24 online service tracking passenger aircraft around the world, the first plane to arrive from Tehran to Damascus that day was the Syrian company Cham Wings Airlines' A320, which landed at 23:00 UTC (February 7 at 02:00 Moscow time).
    The flight path of this aircraft, which is recorded by the signals of the aircraft’s transponder, is interrupted several kilometers from the airport, however, at about the same distance, the signals of most aircraft that arrive to Damascus. The service recorded that already 10 minutes after the transponder was turned off the plane landed safely in Damascus."

    The thing is that the Israeli Air Force avoids violating Syrian airspace. They hit Syrian territory, appearing in the sky, for example, over Lebanon. Therefore, Damascus has hands tied.

    "According to local source Deir EzZor 24, on Sunday unidentified aircraft attacked targets related to pro-Iranian militants near Al-Mayadin east of the city of Deir ez-Zor in eastern Syria "

    No comment.

    Moreover, the use of Russian systems against Israeli aviation is not only a military and technical issue, but also a political one,
    Пропущен самый главный пункт, ФИНАНСОВЫЙ. Если все три приведенных можно худо бедно исправить, то этот просто не возможно.
    And Israel officially stated that an attempt to launch a rocket in the direction of the plane, regardless of the result, would lead to the destruction of the installation. I will not give examples
    HERE AND ALL REFLECTIONS.
  • Aleks2000 7 February 2020 21: 53 New
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    All right, all right ...
    Results:
    1) Praised by ura-media and experts C300 can not cope.
    2) Their Iraqi counterparts cannot cope.
    3) Ura-media and experts lie and continue to lie with impunity.
    4) Our people continue to die with impunity
    5) Jewish, ours and other rich people, experts and politicians continue to joyfully go to each other, despite a great deal of rhetoric.
    6) New armamentized super-duper weapons do not show themselves at all, foreigners often refuse them, and inside the country they often show cartoons ... and the army buys a little.
    7) Yes, and we can’t mass produce them.
    8) Unlike nova, the old weapons of the USSR, but modernized, are showing themselves well, enough are bought by foreigners and our army.

    Вобщем, если не слушать обещалки о супер-доли супер-новья в армии, то обкатываем хоть както ВС в конфликтах ,и то хорошо.
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      Quote: Alex2000
      Results:

      In the top ten.
      There is nothing to add a pity that you can put one PLUS!
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      Quote: Alex2000
      Our people continue to die with impunity

      Кто из граждан России пострадал от ударов авиации Израиля? Более того, чтобы избежать таких случаев военные Израиля и России очень даже неплохо взаимодействуют. Что касается Ирано-Израильских "терок" - на данный момент нам до них никаких дел нет. yes
      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
      In the top ten.

      Not even milk ... so, idle bunch. yes However, from the point of view of a draft on the fan ... although here, too, there is a kindergarten, a nursery.
      1. Vitaly gusin 8 February 2020 16: 24 New
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        Quote: region58
        also - kindergarten, nursery.

        Your remark will become valid if there is EVIDENCE:
        1 This is not so because ............
        2 This is not so because ............
        Otherwise, from the point of view of the projection onto the fan, even without projection the EMPTY SOUND from the wind! laughing
        1. region58 8 February 2020 18: 16 New
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          Your remark will become valid if there is EVIDENCE:

          Get fucked up ... That is, you wrote unsubstantiated nonsense, but do you demand some irrefutable evidence from others? Nimbus is not shaking? I repeat my question: Which of the citizens of Russia suffered from Israeli air strikes? And do not demand to provide a certificate from every citizen of Russia that he was not injured. laughing
          PS For those who are in the tank: Russia in the Middle East defends its interests, and these interests are far from being to crush everyone there.
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    да уже пахнет войной , вот только кого и кто будет вешать после нее? и останется ли кто живой ?
  • garik77 8 February 2020 00: 42 New
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    There is another version of why Israeli planes do not go astray.
    Currently, Israel is one of the few influential Russian allies in the fight against rewriting the history of World War II. And for this, the Jews were petty pranks, such as several missiles at Hesbollah’s facilities, and will continue to get away with it.
  • Nick 8 February 2020 01: 08 New
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    The author could not come up with a stupider name for this article. It turns out that S-300 is protecting Syria. Just the Israeli Air Force does not fly into Syria. So the author claims. Not otherwise a split mind.
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    Stupid excuses begin to bother a la "no matter what happens", "oh, how would you not be accused of aggression" "do you want a third world war?" Yes, this is nonsense - just the authorities cover up their insolvency and puppetry - they all play the script - they will need to organize a war, and the existing theater for the goyim (you have to make fun of it) - 100% if ours soaked a thread of the Amer’s checkpoint, then nothing would have happened, and even a Europlane would have been shot down, it’s also not scary - they would have wanted to roll Syria long ago.