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Russian unmanned submarines will become an underwater disaster for the United States

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Creating an unmanned nuclear strike submarine seems fantastic. But in the West they believe that this is quite possible, and Russia is able to launch such an underwater drone even earlier than the United States.


Currently, Russia and the United States are competing not only on land, in the sky and on water, but also under water. Russian nuclear submarines are distinguished by a smaller number of crew members than American ones. But Russia has a better chance of creating an unmanned nuclear submarine. This allows progress in robotics. Most importantly, Russia is already thinking about creating fully automated nuclear reactors that could operate on unmanned underwater vehicles.

The U.S. already has unmanned underwater vehicles, but they perform slightly different tasks than conventional submarines. In addition, the U.S. Navy's Orca XLUUV drone is equipped with a diesel propulsion engine. Russia is capable of creating underwater Drones with nuclear reactors. And she has all the necessary technology.

The intercontinental autonomous torpedo "Poseidon", the project of which was developed in Russia, enjoys unkind fame in the West. It has a nuclear power plant and a nuclear warhead. But the Poseidon is still not an unmanned underwater vehicle, but weapon, since it is intended to follow, so to speak, one way. On March 1, 2018, President Vladimir Putin officially recognized the existence of such an unmanned aerial vehicle, while noting that the U.S. Navy carrier groups would be its goals in the event of an armed conflict.

In addition, the Malachite Design Bureau proposed the use of an autonomous atomic turbine reactor for submarines. He will allow the crew of the submarine to perform other tasks, and the propulsion system will do without maintenance personnel of the submarine. That is, although such a submarine will have a crew, but it can quite do without it.

Unlike Russia, in Western countries, including the United States, nuclear reactors installed in submarines need to be serviced by a team. It will take considerable time to develop autonomous nuclear reactors, and Russia already has these technologies. Thus, our country gets a head start in front of the United States, Great Britain and other potential opponents in terms of creating autonomous underwater vehicles.

Of course, uninhabited submarines will have their drawbacks - yet it is impossible to replace a crew of people. But such a submarine, firstly, will be able to sail an unlimited amount of time, and secondly, if necessary, it can be spent without worrying about the fate of the personnel. The lack of a crew will also save energy, up to 30% of which is currently spent on meeting the daily needs of submarine personnel.


Creating an unmanned submarine in Russia is only a matter of time. The first step towards this goal will be the launching of the Poseidon apparatus, though this will happen approximately in 2027. It is no accident that the US military has already included Poseidon in the Russian nuclear triad and list of strategic threats to the United States. This circumstance indicates that the Pentagon is really very concerned about the prospects for Russia to create unmanned underwater vehicles.

American arms control expert Stephen Pifer called the appearance of Poseidon a Russian warning to US leaders over the deployment of US missile defense. And this answer looks asymmetric, since it shows that Russia will be able to hit targets that missile defense will not cover. The very promising unmanned submarines of the Russian Navy, as noted, can become a real underwater disaster for the United States.

There is no doubt that the appearance of unmanned underwater vehicles with nuclear weapons will significantly affect the overall balance of power of great powers in the oceans. Not only will the American carrier formations prove to be very vulnerable, but the US defense capability and their protection against attacks on their infrastructure facilities will also be in jeopardy.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 7 February 2020 09: 17
    +5
    Powerful flow, especially this:
    The lack of a crew will allow saving energy, up to 30% of which is currently spent on meeting the daily needs of the personnel of the submarine
    And let the saved electric energy, damn it, where to put it? It doesn’t save, it means earned!
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    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 7 February 2020 09: 25
      +7
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      And let the saved electric energy, damn it, where to put it?

      It is possible to extract gold from sea water laughing
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 7 February 2020 09: 27
        0
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        It is possible to extract gold from sea water

        Ingenious! Stay with us, you will be brilliant ichthyologist surveyor ... in short, stay with us!
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 7 February 2020 09: 29
          +11
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          in short, stay with us!

          Doctor says that you can outpatient wassat
        2. dzvero
          dzvero 7 February 2020 09: 51
          +3
          Since such a booze has gone, I dare to assume that they will start up mining not gold, but uranium for the reactor smile What is not the version for Friday ...
        3. Ros 56
          Ros 56 7 February 2020 10: 19
          0
          Vladimir, enlighten the foolish how to write such crossed out words, tried, it doesn’t work.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 7 February 2020 10: 23
            +7
            Type a comment with words planned for execution, send it, then immediately edit it, and there it is function. The main thing is to have time to respond to comments. I managed to do it!)) When I recognized this, I felt a little bit like a British scientist. laughing
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 7 February 2020 10: 26
              +3
              I will try.I will try.
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 7 February 2020 10: 28
                +2
                Thanks for the help.
          2. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 7 February 2020 11: 27
            +1
            <s> </ s> - no spaces
    3. Galleon
      Galleon 7 February 2020 09: 52
      +9
      And let the saved electric energy, damn it, where to put it? It doesn’t save, it means earned!

      an infrequent case when you want to ply several times good laughing
    4. Svetlana
      Svetlana 7 February 2020 14: 51
      +2
      Saving electricity allows you to build less bulky equipment of what is happening
      that will bring a gain in the size of this equipment and the amount of resources used.
      1. Rustic i ......
        Rustic i ...... 7 February 2020 22: 05
        0
        Can I change the light bulb in the toilet to an energy-saving one at the beginning? And change pipipax to a newspaper with an image of a leader?
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  2. Vasily Ponomarev
    Vasily Ponomarev 7 February 2020 09: 24
    +7
    and space cruisers will become nightmares for the whole universe, be afraid of the world, Russia is coming, will kill with a cartoon
    1. Flawless
      Flawless 7 February 2020 10: 47
      +1
      The world should rather be afraid of the USA! They have a worse weapon called Hollywood! Nothing will seem a little. Landing on the moon! Military base! Moon of death!
      1. for
        for 7 February 2020 11: 31
        +1
        Quote: Flawless
        They have a weapon worse than Hollywood.

        And what’s not a deadly weapon, but an effective one didn’t work badly in 90.
        1. depressant
          depressant 7 February 2020 11: 59
          +3
          Before a colleague, before! Here I saw a Hollywood movie from 1983. It is called "The Next Day". The film is scary. Peaceful pictures of well-fed American life, the everyday joys and sorrows of the average person in a provincial town in Kansas. And at this time, the Russians moved the tank units of the Warsaw Pact to the FRG, tension began to build up, it is not clear whose ship was sunk, it is not clear who responded in kind, and an exchange of nuclear strikes began. And then - a disaster. The same town after atomic explosions. A huge mass of the population affected by radiation, hunger, lack of water, medicine, people go crazy, looting, murder, banditry, death, powerlessness, complete lack of power. And an unobtrusive, as if objective remark: "The Russians have the same thing."
          And after all, what is characteristic - in the USA this film was practically not at the box office, but in the USSR - it was. It turns out, in the framework of the psychological preparation of our population for the surrender of the USSR. To the need for change. Here is such a Hollywood and some of our weirdness. And even more unobtrusively: the Russians were the first to attack, for no reason.
          1. for
            for 7 February 2020 12: 42
            +1
            Quote: depressant
            Before a colleague, before!

            Earlier, earlier, but the virus is already running.
          2. Operator
            Operator 7 February 2020 16: 15
            +6
            The 1983 Hollywood film is called The Next Day.

            The script of the film is unrealistic, since retaliatory strikes from the USSR would be delivered to megacities, and not to small cities in the American outback (as in the film).

            And another detail - all the characters of the film at the time of nuclear explosions look at them, as a result of which they would have to burn the retina, but the characters miraculously remain sighted bully
            1. depressant
              depressant 7 February 2020 16: 27
              +4
              The boy watched, and he went blind. And the province was hit because there was a missile base. Of course, there are many assumptions in the film, because it is not documentary. The main task is to scare the viewer.
              1. Operator
                Operator 7 February 2020 16: 42
                +4
                Almost all the characters from the corresponding frames of the film looked at nuclear explosions but, lo and behold, only one of them was blind.

                Why strike at a missile base from which rockets had already taken off - well, I realized: the Soviet are as stupid as boots bully
                1. bayard
                  bayard 8 February 2020 04: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Operator
                  Why strike at a missile base from which rockets had already taken off - well, I realized: the Soviet are as stupid as boots

                  So as not to let recharge. The Americans were also going to shoot at our mines, even if they were already empty ... But then both had a lot of missiles. bully
                  And the film was really designed for us - I watched it myself. Yes, and "ours" then filmed something similar - they were preparing for delivery.
                  And you just had to laugh at it and pedal their fear. But Gorbachev was already in power ...
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 8 February 2020 13: 48
                    +4
                    There is practically nothing to reload silos - all strategic combat-ready missiles are located in mines, and approximately 1/10 of an uncompleted state (without warheads) is located in warehouses. In addition, after the exchange of massive nuclear missiles, there will be nobody and nothing to deliver the missiles to the mines.

                    And in MRNU, it makes sense to use all the stationary strategic forces to the maximum. If we are to keep some margin against other countries like China, then only in the form of mobile carriers such as PGRK, SSBN, MCSAPL, KR "Burevestnik" and NPA "Poseidon".

                    But a blow to mobile media does not make sense due to the lack of data on their coordinates.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 8 February 2020 15: 50
                      0
                      The "good fellow" of a mobile underground base could not only shoot back after a blow suffered, but also recharge, since everything is under the ground. But this is a very expensive infrastructure and remained in Ukraine - Novomoskovsk, Dnepropetrovsk region.
                      And mobile complexes, of course, maneuver, but if you beat them square-nested (in terms of area), you can disable them ... But this was earlier, now the probable nuclear weapons are orders of magnitude smaller ... by age ... and there is no one to assemble a new one.
                      1. Operator
                        Operator 8 February 2020 15: 59
                        +4
                        Initially, it was about a fake, shown in the Hollywood movie "The Next Day" - a retaliatory Soviet strike on the empty silos of American missiles.
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 8 February 2020 16: 42
                        0
                        Hollywood made many films. If we consider this scenario, then the Soviet missiles flew to these mines when the missiles were still in them, and the Americans launched a classic retaliatory strike. It could be the other way around. There is no fiction here - a classic of algorithms.
                      3. Operator
                        Operator 8 February 2020 16: 45
                        +4
                        I strictly follow the time chain of events in the film - the start of the American missiles is shown first, and only then the explosions of Soviet missiles.
                      4. bayard
                        bayard 8 February 2020 18: 42
                        0
                        The flight time to the target at such a range of 20 minutes. up to half an hour.
                      5. Operator
                        Operator 8 February 2020 19: 12
                        +4
                        Actually, it’s from 35 to 40 minutes, but this is not about that - in the cinema the causal connections of the plot are illustrated not by minutes of screen time, but by a sequence of events (for the sake of unambiguity perception by the audience), unless otherwise stated by the speaker behind the scenes or text saver.
        2. Harry.km
          Harry.km 9 February 2020 15: 12
          0
          Quote: for
          And what’s not a deadly weapon, but an effective one didn’t work badly in 90


          So not only that, it also brings a feeble day and distributes it voluntarily ... Almost perfect weapon!
    2. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 7 February 2020 17: 46
      +2
      Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
      and space cruisers will become a nightmare for the whole universe, be afraid of the world, Russia is coming, will kill with a cartoon

      What cruisers? This is the last century. Ball jumpers are in fashion now. Launched (kick) and they went to jump. They will crush everything in their path. This is soooo ....
  3. Terenin
    Terenin 7 February 2020 09: 33
    +2
    President Vladimir Putin officially acknowledged the existence of such an unmanned aerial vehicle, while noting that the U.S. Navy carrier groups would be its targets in the event of an armed conflict.
    Missing note: "sample reports for early dismissal from the US Navy - attached" winked
  4. Operator
    Operator 7 February 2020 09: 38
    -8
    "The US military department has already included Poseidon in Russia's nuclear triad and the list of strategic threats to the United States.", - a new overseas training manual has not yet been brought to the shtetl russophobes in VO laughing
  5. ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF 7 February 2020 09: 50
    -2
    And if my grandmother had him, she would become a grandfather.
  6. likana
    likana 7 February 2020 10: 02
    +1
    Optimistically written, well, if so, God forbid!
  7. smaug78
    smaug78 7 February 2020 10: 34
    0
    Again Polonsky, a kind of analogue of the "historian" Samsonov laughing
  8. Pavel57
    Pavel57 7 February 2020 10: 40
    -1
    To create iron is real, but artificial intelligence is still a question.
  9. Cowbra
    Cowbra 7 February 2020 10: 54
    +3
    Sea power is not only a plus. but also a minus. The Russian Federation has how many largest cities on the coast?
    If we now look at the geographical map, we will find that only one Soviet key city - Leningrad - is located on the sea, while four of the five listed American cities - New York, Philadelphia, Washington and Los Angeles - are located on the sea coast or near the sea. (Even Chicago has water access through the St Lawrence Strait.) Thus, in the event of an attack from the sea, we are at least four times less vulnerable than the Soviet Union.

    Well now
    Moscow Population (as of 1.01.2016/12/330): 126 XNUMX XNUMX. ...
    St. Petersburg Population (as of January 1.01.2016, 5): 225. ...
    Novosibirsk Population: (as of 1.01.2016/1/584): 138 XNUMX XNUMX. ...
    Yekaterinburg Population (as of January 1.01.2016, 1): 444 439 XNUMX. ...
    Nizhny Novgorod Population (as of 1.01.2016/1/266): 871 XNUMX XNUMX. ...
    Kazan ...
    Chelyabinsk ...
    Omsk

    Only Peter - a coastal target, go, launch a torpedo from the sea in Kazan)))
    1. Operator
      Operator 7 February 2020 11: 08
      +5
      In the United States, 1% of mobility reside in coastal urban agglomerations with populations of 60 or more million people, Western Europe - 70%, China, Japan and South Korea - 90%.
  10. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 7 February 2020 11: 17
    -1
    Technical failures - no one canceled, in complex systems their probability remains significant.
    Using atomic "boilers" in unmanned systems is an extremely risky way to increase the flight range or underwater passage.

    Unfortunately, the first victims of the "Stormy" were already when it was raised from the bottom in Nenoksa during unsuccessful tests.

    The likelihood of losing or hijacking unmanned aids by third parties should also be considered.
    Currently unmanned vessels, in accordance with international conventions
    tion are illegal.

    We turn to the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea
    For the purposes of this Convention, "warship" means a ship belonging to the armed forces of a State which bears the external marks distinguishing such ships of its nationality, under the command of an officer who is in the service of the government of that state and whose last name is listed in the list of military personnel or an equivalent document, and has a crew subordinate to regular military discipline.


    Those. legally, an unmanned submarine of class Poseidon - does not apply to military vessels.
    Accordingly, the article does not apply to him.
    Article 95
    Immunity of warships on the high seas
    Warships enjoy full immunity on the high seas from the jurisdiction of any state other than the flag state.


    The legislation is being developed:
    The first group of scientists is based in Sweden - SARUMS (“Safety and regulations for European
    Ropeisk unmanned marine systems "), the second group of scientists is in Great Britain -
    Nii - "The group for the development of legislation for marine autonomous systems." The purpose of their activities is
    STI is to develop a new edition of the International Convention for the Protection of Human
    life at sea, which must take into account the latest technological advances in the field
    unmanned shipping.

    MARITIME SAFETY METHODS
    AT THE INTRODUCTION OF UNMANNED TECHNOLOGIES
    V.I. Dmitriev, V.V. Karetnikov
    FSBEI HE "Admiral S. O. Makarov GUMRF"
  11. Sirocco
    Sirocco 7 February 2020 12: 21
    0
    Who knows, maybe an underwater drone is already there, given the backlog of the Goldfish that the US strongly recommended to destroy, and do not forget about Buran, this is the first space drone that made a breakthrough in space in the mid-80s when America repeated this?
  12. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 February 2020 12: 47
    +9
    Unfortunately, the article is completely wrong. To date, a crewless submarine will in all respects be inferior to the classic. No CIUS is today capable of solving the tasks of military operations at sea and by 10% as the submarine commander knows how.
    Today we will not be able to teach the robot to fight in the same way as an ordinary infantryman does. Commanding a nuclear submarine is much more difficult
    1. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 7 February 2020 17: 41
      +7
      The article is not just wrong. It's just "bullshit on a bright moonless night." What kind of unmanned nuclear submarines? For what? For similar tasks with "usual"? Come on. I remember we, three officers of the BIP, racked our brains for several hours over the classification of the target. The contact was instrumental (the ear cannot hear). There were several samples. And what? Nothing!!! There is no base. There is nothing to compare with. Yes, and compared with the table, some of it seemed to coincide, but where is the rest? Until we entered the ShP in a small distance, nothing happened. It turned out - "Stallworth".
      GAL refused from navigators. (hydroacoustic log) Without it, the speed relative to the bottom is not taken into account, the current will carry away and there will be a large discrepancy. Two identical boxes (and ZIPovsky too) are out of order. I helped and assembled one worker out of two. And what will the "robot" do? Will you get something out of the ZIP?
      Even if the "hardware" will work: Who will classify targets, make a decision on the use of weapons, including? The author of the article is just a scribbler and understands this topic like a pig in oranges.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 February 2020 23: 11
        +3
        Quote: Podvodnik
        The article is not just wrong. It's just "bullshit on a bright moonless night."

        I totally agree. I was just trying to be polite :))))))) hi
  13. Undecim
    Undecim 7 February 2020 13: 01
    +5
    This "analytics" is a clumsy translation-retelling of an article from the Forbes magazine. Its author, HI Sutton, is the creator of the naval site Covert Shores. In terms of the level of competence and awareness of the Navy, it is something in between Andrey from Chelyabinsk and Timokhin (in no way I want to offend either one or the other). As for special issues like nuclear reactors and development prospects, the situation is much worse. Considering that Polonsky is generally far from the topic, when copying, this creates obvious curiosities like " It will take considerable time to develop autonomous nuclear reactors, and Russia already has these technologies. Thus, our country gets a head start over the United States, Great Britain and other potential adversaries in terms of creating autonomous underwater vehicles. ".
    For the author’s information, the USA also has such technologies. Moreover, Britain, Canada, China with India, and South Korea have them.
    Moreover, technology is not just there, they are being actively improved. There are 13 projects in the USA alone.
    Therefore, the information value of the article is zero. But agitprop - on top.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 February 2020 15: 32
      +1
      Thanks for the info! Did not know hi
    2. nickname7
      nickname7 9 February 2020 17: 35
      -1
      But agitprop is on top

      Maybe it's a disinfect for the adversary?
  14. timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 7 February 2020 13: 27
    +3
    however, this will happen approximately in 2027.


    But what about the promised tests in the summer of 2019? Mess!
    On the other hand, this power-saw bench is not intended to receive working weapons, so 2027 is quite normal. Putin will already leave, there will be no one to ask, there the project can be quietly covered up and dumped into retirement with the whole crowd. With orders, medals and scientific titles.
    Somewhere in Miami, so that the awakening and the realizing the scale of the kid didn’t reach.
  15. iouris
    iouris 7 February 2020 14: 02
    +2
    But is it possible to design an unmanned state with a digital economy?
  16. demo
    demo 7 February 2020 14: 05
    +1
    Elegant!
    The pumping into the consciousness of Russians of a new consciousness continues - we take care of you so much, well, we protect you from the adversary that you (Russians) only have to be thankful to us (the authorities) and not to rebel and protest.

    Any new product, with accompanying comments from the current government, is perceived diametrically opposite to what the government wants to say.
    All these Poseidons, Daggers, and Almaty would be taken seriously by the people only in one case - if Russia would be independent.
    And since we are a raw materials appendage of the West, where all our customers, employers, breadwinners and drinkers are concentrated, listening to any nonsense on the topic is how we scare the adversary! , I don’t feel like it anymore.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 7 February 2020 14: 16
      -5
      Quote: demo
      we are the raw materials appendage of the West, where all our customers, employers, breadwinners and drinkers are concentrated

      And who are you?
      1. demo
        demo 7 February 2020 14: 33
        +2
        I am we!
        And to whom do you relate yourself?
        Not to us?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 7 February 2020 14: 38
          -7
          No, I do not consider myself to be "you" laughing

          Quote: demo
          I am we

          Clear. AND

          Quote: demo
          we are a raw materials appendage of the West

          You are probably valuable and fur. Since the "west" is so into you wink
          1. demo
            demo 7 February 2020 15: 48
            +1
            Well, you discussed, appreciated me.
            Wonderful.
            Where are you, if not not with us?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 7 February 2020 15: 55
              -5
              Quote: demo
              Where are you, if not not with us?

              And I am where "you" are not. Well, I don't like undead request
              1. demo
                demo 7 February 2020 19: 17
                +2
                Okay.
                If you turned to exquisite insults, then I stop any dialogue with you because of your inadequacy and because you do not interfere with going on a long erotic foot trip.
                Bai, my close friend.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 7 February 2020 21: 04
                  -3
                  Quote: demo
                  Bai my close friend

                  Happy to stay, "the raw material appendage of the west" yes
          2. nickname7
            nickname7 9 February 2020 18: 04
            -2
            The computer you use abroad, he was exchanged for resources to get to the Russian Federation. The main goods for sale are resources that are exchanged for technological, like papus gold was exchanged for beads. Money from raw materials is abroad. The Russian Federation does not produce civil aircraft, processors, machinery and equipment. (minuscule) Trading networks - foreign.

            From the latest news. Deripaska, a citizen of Cyprus, lost the aluminum industry. Holding En +
            transferred to the management of Lord Barker and directors from the United States. Now they started to select raw materials.
  17. eklmn
    eklmn 7 February 2020 14: 31
    0
    For the curious:
    “A list of sunken nuclear submarines. A total of nine nuclear submarines have sunk. The Soviet fleet lost five (one of which sank twice), the Russian fleet two, and the United States (USN) two. ”
    (see map)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sunken_nuclear_submarines
    Of course, if they drown in the waters of Russia, then nothing, the population will survive. But if in the US, Pelosi will tear Putin’s portrait!
  18. Demagogue
    Demagogue 7 February 2020 18: 29
    -1
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    I’m still waiting for the Operator to assign Poseidon the ability to go into deep space and destroy planets with the exhaust of his nuclear engine hi


    The Scripture says that blessed are those who stoke for Poseidon and they will surely be rewarded.
  19. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 7 February 2020 18: 39
    +1
    They will create one or two, they will not make the weather, and the money will be devoured by colossal ones.
  20. Demagogue
    Demagogue 7 February 2020 21: 19
    0
    Quote: timokhin-aa
    It’s better to fantasize about retractable tracks. With them, and even on a nuclear power plant, Poseidon will be able to break into the depths of the North American continent and explode far from the sea.
    And then there’s a mess - some mossy missiles can hit a target deep in land, and the innovative Poseidon cannot do super-duper.

    This is a mess!


    It would be more realistic to disguise drones as a flock of whales. At low speed, we would slowly get to our goals. You can throw off during the course of the Greenland ...
  21. kig
    kig 10 February 2020 15: 14
    +1
    At first I wanted to participate in the discussion, then I thought it over. Commenting on explicit nonsense is somehow reluctant.
  22. Sardanapalus
    Sardanapalus 12 February 2020 15: 03
    0
    Repeatedly there were articles and a bunch of confirming comments. That all drones are intercepted in control, and there is such a thing as electronic warfare. I am not an expert, but I am very keen on what knowledgeable people write and say. The Poseidon conclusion is a dubious trinket.