Ukraine finally abandoned the Russian language

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Kiev missed another chance, if not stop on the path leading to the abyss of Russophobia, then at least slow down its movement along it. The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine failed miserably to vote on a parliamentary decree proposing to repeal the new education law that discriminated against the Russian-speaking population of the country. In the session hall there were only 58 deputies who supported the decision. The rest strongly opposed. However, it is surprisingly more likely that in the current conditions such an “unpatriotic” initiative could even get to the parliamentary vote ...

Recall, we are talking about Ukrainian law No. 0901 on secondary education, according to which the study of Russian, equated there with the "languages ​​of national minorities", will be possible exclusively in kindergartens and elementary grades of elementary school. Further, only “mov”, and in the study of all to one subjects and disciplines, regardless of the wishes of the children and their parents. The exception is only for private schools, which today can not afford the vast majority of the inhabitants "non-down", no matter what language they speak. These standards were criticized by the Venice Commission, whose special report emphasized the “special role” of the Russian language in Ukraine. However, Kiev did not heed these conclusions of the "European partners", as well as all the others that were contrary to its nationalistic domestic policy.



On January 23 of this year, the last desperate attempt was made to block the further passage of the law that violates the rights of millions of residents of the country - a draft resolution was registered by the People’s Deputies from the Opposition Platform for Life Party Natalia Korolevskaya and Mikhail Papiev, requiring a review of this law as violating at least five articles Constitution and manifestly discriminatory. Before considering this draft, the speaker of the parliament could not put his signature on the shameful document and forward it to the president of the country. However, as already mentioned above, the demarche suffered a complete fiasco and it is hardly possible at all to impede the implementation of the next step towards a total and forced “Ukrainization”.

Moreover, saying that Law No. 0901 violates the rights and ignores the will of a huge number of Ukrainian citizens, the people's deputies protesting against him did not sin at all against the truth. According to research conducted by those who are completely impossible to suspect of belonging to the “Kremlin propagandists”, namely Google’s analysts, the vast majority of Ukrainians use Russian as their language, rather than “Move”. To deceive modern technology, as you know, is extremely problematic. The impartial electronic meters of the company precisely determined that the number of search queries in Russian is more than 8 times the number of similar search queries in Ukrainian. But is this really an argument for someone in the power circles of Kiev, who are forced at almost every step to “bend” before the ultranationalist marginals?

The most offensive is that Ukraine had to satisfy the claims made on the same occasion by Hungary. The law was adopted taking into account its comments. And this despite the fact that the number of Hungarian-speaking residents of the country is several times less than those who consider the native language Russian. Ten times. Well, we can only admit that once again Budapest turned out to be much more consistent, persistent and convincing in upholding the rights of those people who speak and think the same language as Moscow than it does.
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  1. +12
    7 February 2020 16: 36
    . the vast majority of Ukrainians use the Russian language in their communication, rather than “mov”.

    Great and strong Google, he knows everything smile
    I completely agree with Google on this issue, by the way.
    It remains only to Google to answer the question why the majority of Russian-speaking deputies are happy to vote for a law that restricts instruction in Russian? What is the reason? what
    1. +4
      7 February 2020 16: 42
      Quote: Avior
      Why are most Russian-speaking deputies happy to vote for a law that restricts instruction in Russian?

      And more interestingly - why sometimes deputies and ministers, as well as their president, speaking, periodically switch to Russian? It’s time to fine them for the use of unauthorized foreign language in state institutions by officials!
      1. +7
        7 February 2020 16: 52
        Yes, because they have a native Russian,
        Moreover, most of the Ukrainian presidents, besides the forgotten Kravchuk and Yushchenko, were and are Russian-speaking, Kuchma did not know Ukrainian at all when he became president, he later taught
        1. -1
          1 November 2022 22: 46
          Eh ... It was thought that it was bad then, but it turns out that it was even quite good. Now, almost all of my Russian-speaking friends in Ukraine have fundamentally switched to Ukrainian. And for 8 months, I will tell you very cool pulled up. And so - throughout the country! We did in 8 months what the nationalists could not do for 30 years!
      2. +5
        7 February 2020 19: 32
        Quote: Starover_Z
        And more interestingly - why sometimes deputies and ministers, as well as their president, speaking, periodically switch to Russian?

        Well, what other language should this couple communicate:

        In Georgian? Or Armenian? smile
      3. 0
        8 February 2020 04: 44
        here you ernichat and I remember I was present at a similar situation in Riga - the vast majority of Russian speakers switched to their nationalism - the leadership let off the whistle and now, after 20 years, the youth do not perceive the Russian language from the word just like the Finns began
    2. +4
      7 February 2020 16: 45
      Quote: Avior
      It remains only to Google to answer the question why the majority of Russian-speaking deputies are happy to vote for a law that restricts instruction in Russian? What is the reason?

      Yes, everything is simple. We just have them like a bone in the throat. It is we, not Russian. Well, they poison from all sides, like nasty small dogs. They are trying to bite where they can get, until they get a good kick in the ass.
    3. -2
      7 February 2020 16: 55
      Quote: Avior
      It remains only to Google to answer the question why the majority of Russian-speaking deputies are happy to vote for a law that restricts instruction in Russian? What is the reason?

      They also switch to Hebrew in English, or German or Polish, and in the Mighty Ragulsky (Ukrainian). Why not everyone will learn, and whoever does not learn will become a slave, divide and conquer.
      1. 0
        7 February 2020 22: 08
        Understood nothing!
    4. +4
      7 February 2020 16: 59
      Quote: Avior
      The reason?

      hi
      Mind Ruin not understand. Therefore, advice - do not rack your brains.
      1. +9
        7 February 2020 17: 41
        Quote: Lelek
        Mind Ruin not understand. Therefore, advice - do not rack your brains.

        hi
        Lev, in my opinion, this policy of our "not to rack your brains" has been going on in Ukraine since 1991, and has led to the fact that we have an enemy nearby. There is not a single structure that would professionally and systematically deal with Ukraine. One-time assignments, yes (Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Surkov ...), but they were dealt with by the Anglo-Saxons and split Ukraine from Russia. Now, the US has a task - to split Russia from China.
    5. 0
      7 February 2020 17: 13
      Great and strong Google, he knows everything smile
      I completely agree with Google on this issue, by the way.

      By the degree of manipulation of the people in Ukraine in 2014 - 2020 - I can only compare the events of 1917 - 1925 in Russia.
      The puppeteers are the same.
      1. 0
        7 February 2020 22: 11
        Probably the "people" after all?
    6. +4
      7 February 2020 17: 33
      Quote: Avior
      The reason?

      The fact that mishandled Cossacks is ... 5 column if you want, which was grown back in the USSR. And the reason is banal - our Slavic world is split into rags, and this event only strengthens this split.
    7. +5
      7 February 2020 18: 34
      Quote: Avior
      The reason?

      In brainwashing of Ukrainians with anti-Russian propaganda. Dominance in the government of frank Russophobia. But there is still hope, small but still.
      The Ukrainian party "Opposition Platform - For Life" intends to appeal to the Constitutional Court with a request to recognize as discriminatory some norms of the law on secondary education, as they violate the rights of Russian-speaking citizens of the country.

      https://ria.ru/20200207/1564399022.html
      What if it works out?
      If not, then ... well, I don’t know, it can happen right up to the start of a new civil war.
      1. +8
        8 February 2020 00: 37
        Quote: Arlen
        But there is still hope, small but still.

        Hope dies last? wink
        Gotta be full fool to pass a law on the rejection of the Russian language spoken by a large part of the population of Ukraine.
    8. +3
      8 February 2020 00: 19
      Quote: Avior
      It remains only to Google to answer the question why the majority of Russian-speaking deputies are happy to vote for a law that restricts instruction in Russian? What is the reason?

      That would not lose a place in the Rada. The main thing is to spend at least one term in a satisfying place, and there even though the grass does not grow. This is Ukraine, a country where those who came to power absolutely have no principles, no matter what nationality they belong to. Ready for anything for the money.
      1. -1
        1 November 2022 22: 47
        Eh ... It was thought that it was bad then, but it turns out that it was even quite good. Now, almost all of my Russian-speaking friends in Ukraine have fundamentally switched to Ukrainian. And for 8 months, I will tell you very cool pulled up. And so - throughout the country! We did in 8 months what the nationalists could not do for 30 years!
        1. 0
          2 November 2022 09: 01
          Quote from ZuekRek
          Eh ... It was thought that it was bad then, but it turns out that it was even quite good. Now, almost all of my Russian-speaking friends in Ukraine have fundamentally switched to Ukrainian. And for 8 months, I will tell you very cool pulled up. And so - throughout the country! We did in 8 months what the nationalists could not do for 30 years!

          Yes, what are we doing here? They just entered the next stage of their degradation, having finally lost their identity. Degenerates. That is why they could not create and maintain their own state.
          1. -1
            2 November 2022 12: 03
            I am diametrically opposed. Everyone who was neutral and Russian-speaking went to pro-Ukrainian positions. In 2010-2011, I traveled a lot in western Ukraine when I was writing a dissertation on the Russian movement in Galicia at the beginning of the 20th century and met many very interesting people. Over the course of 12 years, many of them became professionals in various fields, almost all of them sympathized with Russia. That's it.
            1. 0
              2 November 2022 22: 17
              Quote from ZuekRek
              In 2010-2011, I traveled a lot in western Ukraine when I was writing a dissertation on the Russian movement in Galicia at the beginning of the 20th century and met many very interesting people. Over the course of 12 years, many of them became professionals in various fields, almost all of them sympathized with Russia.

              Apparently, you still found the remnants of people with a perception of the common Soviet past, who, alas, eventually surrendered their positions to the needs of the nurtured Ukrainian nationalism, since people came to power whose goal was to eradicate from the minds of citizens everything positive that was with the "scoop". They cannot be blamed, because the "real good past" is always nullified by the promise of a "phantom better" through defamation of the past. And why hide it, because the slander of the past has become the national policy of the new Ukraine. The people were slipped a historical surrogate (imposing something that did not exist) and false guidelines (that which would never happen), thereby depriving them of the awareness - "Who am I?" Kuchma's work - "Ukraine is not Russia" became a springboard to what we are seeing today. In Russia, they still claim that Ukrainians and Russians are one people, but in the light of what is happening, I also tend to think that this is an erroneous statement.
              Quote from ZuekRek
              That's it.
              Maybe for the better, but no one in Russia has any illusions about the fact that the people who have repeatedly betrayed Russia can be fraternal.
              1. 0
                2 November 2022 23: 52
                I was born in 1984 and from my Soviet childhood I only remember the endless shortage of everything and everything, my father's rations for work and the Bulgarian ketchup that he was given! I talked with my generation and you are fundamentally wrong - it was one of the first generations for which the common Soviet past was something abstract, distant. In Lviv and Uzhgorod, I met people from other regions. With some who lived in Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Kyiv, I periodically talked. These were not nationalists; moreover, some considered themselves Russians. The first crack was in 2014. But if they had acted decisively, when they had panic and confusion, something could have "burned out". But in 2022... My friend from Kharkov told me the following in 2020: "Kharkov is 80% Russian-speaking city, and 60% Russian. We also had a" people's mayor "who was thrown off in 2014 "And, you know, then I was angry, but now I'm glad. Nobody needs the Russian world, as it was built in the LDNR, and if you come now, we won't meet you with flowers." Well, it did. We did with our own hands what the nationalists could not do since the end of the 19th century. Let's crystallize the Ukrainian nation. And it is important that the Kremlin realize this and get rid of the illusions about "one people" - without this there will be a lot of our blood.
    9. +1
      8 February 2020 02: 47
      Quote: Avior
      . the vast majority of Ukrainians use the Russian language in their communication, rather than “mov”.

      Great and strong Google, he knows everything smile
      I completely agree with Google on this issue, by the way.
      It remains only to Google to answer the question why the majority of Russian-speaking deputies are happy to vote for a law that restricts instruction in Russian? What is the reason? what


      In Soros (by the way, Hungarian laughing ).
  2. +7
    7 February 2020 16: 37
    The next logical step is to issue, instead of a passport, a "non-citizen's certificate" for Russian-speakers, as among democratic tribals. Apparently, their example also inspires.
    1. +4
      7 February 2020 16: 53
      This Ukrainian ministers, deputies and the president will have to start with himself
    2. +4
      7 February 2020 17: 26
      Maybe they will. From this power in Ukraine, you can expect everything, including the most unexpected.
    3. dSK
      0
      7 February 2020 21: 31
      Quote: Yrec
      non-citizen certificate "for Russian speakers,

      For "English-speaking" -
      Kiev will build two military bases according to NATO standards in Severodonetsk, Luhansk region, and in Mariupol, Donetsk region, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Andriy Zagorodnyuk told about this. According to him, these two military facilities have begun to be built in an "open field". (07/02/20.)
  3. -4
    7 February 2020 16: 37
    And they are talking perfectly with foreign policy, yeah.
    1. +2
      7 February 2020 17: 32
      There is not a word about foreign policy regarding the ruins. About the dead or nothing or ...
      1. -1
        1 November 2022 22: 47
        What do you say now? Eh ... It was thought that it was bad then, but it turns out that it was even quite good. Now, almost all of my Russian-speaking friends in Ukraine have fundamentally switched to Ukrainian. And for 8 months, I will tell you very cool pulled up. And so - throughout the country! We did in 8 months what the nationalists could not do for 30 years!
  4. +9
    7 February 2020 16: 41
    Hungary was not persistent, but simply it is a member of the European Union, and as you know, the outskirts really want to get there, and Hungary could interfere with this in every way, that's the whole secret.
    1. -6
      7 February 2020 19: 07
      Quote: A.K.
      Hungary was not persistent, but simply it is a member of the European Union, and as you know, the outskirts really want to get there, and Hungary could interfere with this in every way, that's the whole secret.

      This is one of the reasons, another of the reasons Hungary did not create a pair of people's republics in the areas of compact residence of Hungarians in Ukraine.
  5. 0
    7 February 2020 16: 46
    These idiots do not even understand that the unfulfillment of laws fosters in people neglect and ignoring these and other laws. Therefore, no one has long perceived their activities. We just harmonize them legally.
    creativity and practice of their execution with reality. Of course they can’t control, but we are joking with the clowns
    1. -4
      7 February 2020 19: 08
      This remark:
      Quote: gridasov
      the impracticability of laws fosters in people neglect and disregard for these and other laws. Therefore, no one has long perceived their activities. We just harmonize them legally.
      creativity and practice of their execution with reality. Of course they can’t control, but we are joking with the clowns

      it is about the activities of which clowns, Ukrainian or Russian?
      Indeed, in Russia there is, for example, such a wonderful federal law of 23.02.2013 N15-FZ "On the protection of citizens' health from the effects of second hand tobacco smoke and the consequences of tobacco consumption." A very vivid example of a law, the fulfillment of the requirements of which not a single Russian smoker considers necessary, and the mechanism for monitoring compliance with the provisions of this Federal Law is not spelled out either in this or in any other laws.
  6. +4
    7 February 2020 16: 47
    Well, let's say, in 15-20 years there will appear (theoretically) - a galaxy of talented Ukrainian engineers. Not belmes who do not understand Russian. And where do they care, even if they are talented? "Sorter dry Pole"? Where will they work? Only there they will be able to ... Shove Ukrainian writers or actors there ... They are cutting the job market for themselves.
    But this has nothing to do with patriotism. The same Canada, which Ukrainians love to blame - fell apart from the fact that there are two official languages ​​there ?! And English there is state-only because Canada has strong trade ties with the United States. And cutting such ties is not in Canada’s interests.
    1. -8
      7 February 2020 18: 13
      I beg you that Russian, that Ukrainian is known to everyone who needs it, well, except for those who constantly shout about infringement of rights, etc., it’s logical that the Ukrainian language is taught in Ukrainian schools, document management and everything else goes there in Ukrainian that means you need to know at least basic things, no one forbids speaking Russian, learning it, if you need to, and if you need it, they don’t pull out from the street to the basement, as they often write, but the state language gets priority, especially in case of insufficient funding .
      As for, as you said, "employment", its main market, in Ukraine, in Russia, in the rest of the post-Soviet space, is the West, especially in engineering and technology, and this is clearly demonstrated by many fields of science, moreover the main language that a successful engineer seeking employment in the near abroad will know is English, neither Russian nor Ukrainian gave up to anyone, from personal experience and the example of many acquaintances I can say that the rules of the Russian language, I don't remember for a long time, but with English things are good.
      Because it is higher than at the conversational level that the engineer does not need a language, especially Ukrainian.
      And at the conversational level, you can quite yourself learn it in everyday communication, on the Internet, on the layout of your phone / computer, reading many news, books, watching movies, etc.
      1. +4
        7 February 2020 18: 18
        Tell us, what is produced in Ukraine - is it bought in the West? Tell us why Motor Sich and Antonov, how the contracts with the Russian Federation were cut, went to China, probably because
        As for, as you said, "employment", then its main market, in Ukraine, in Russia, in the rest of the post-Soviet space, is the West.

        Linden - should be linden. not oak!
        1. -8
          7 February 2020 19: 19
          I did not talk about:
          Tell us, what is produced in Ukraine - is it bought in the West?

          I answered your statement:
          Well, let's say, in 15-20 years it will appear (theoretically) - a galaxy of talented Ukrainian engineers. Not belmes who do not understand Russian. And where do they care, even talented?

          And I replied that neither a Russian nor a Ukrainian engineer is needed, because the main job market is the West:
          As for, as you said, "employment", its main market, in Ukraine, in Russia, in the rest of the post-Soviet space, is the West, especially in engineering and technical terms, and this is clearly demonstrated by many fields of science

          Everything else is you yourself have thought of.
          As for Motor Sich, Antonov, Yuzhny, shipyards and others, the ties were broken long before 2014, if you remember the early 2000s and how many times Antonov was ready to cooperate on any projects, given that 50-60% of the units were already produced in Russia, it would be a mutually beneficial cooperation, how many times with fanfare it was reported that we would continue the production of the An-124, that Antonov would be admitted to the Russian market, etc., how many times they wanted to build ships for us in Nikolaev, serve missiles in the Dnieper and much more. But why do we need an allied fraternal state with deep economic and military-technical ties? Why conduct a systematic policy towards them? It is better to demand once again to service your military equipment with us, to pay fabulous money to Almaz-Antey and Sukhoi for the possibility of self-repair. Let them better support our economy and enterprises that already have an oil and gas cushion from the state (if effective managers do not devour it). It is also obvious that having severed ties and letting everything go by itself, and subsequently also allowing pressure from the UAC and UEC, which crowded out the last possibilities of cooperation on the same An-124 and all offered their paper projects, then slowly and surely, Ukraine ceased to be kept in even the aircraft industry was home to the harbor, so there was no break in ties. The dealers immediately divided the market among themselves, when the main competitor in the person of Motor Sich was gone, how did the UEC begin to occupy a niche that was less advanced in terms of efficiency and digital control of the VK-2500? Now they have finally begun to work conscientiously, without the habits of "effective".
          So in 2014 there was not a break in ties, but a reason for their break, which occurred through the fault of, to put it mildly, "slovenliness" in the 2000s and self-removal from all those enterprises that could be used for mutually beneficial projects, like the same ships, aircraft, missile maintenance, because Ukraine did not produce 40-70% of the components of these systems, this was done by Russia, and the joint completion would allow maintaining strategic , but also the real desire of Ukraine towards the CIS until 2014, to create a huge market for military products for its enterprises, and sell weapons to the allied state, creating a defense for itself at the expense of others, but our "effective" decided that the president is a criminal, to cope with this better by building your own nepotism system. After all, cooperation and economic ties are so, just a "relic" of the USSR.
          1. +6
            7 February 2020 19: 37
            Fierce lies about Antonov)))
            MOSCOW, January 18 - RIA Novosti. The refusal of the Antonov aircraft plant to cooperate with Russian enterprises calls into question the production of aircraft and the execution of the concluded contracts. This is reported by the Kiev newspaper "Day".
            The author of the publication notes that the aircraft designed by Antonov depended to a large extent on Russian components, while the An-148 was entirely produced in Voronezh. After the coup d'état in 2014, the company refused to cooperate with Russia when the Kiev authorities imposed sanctions against Moscow. The company tried to negotiate with Western suppliers, but the negotiations came to nothing.

            laughing
            A Russian engineer from Ukraine is needed simply because he will either work in Russia himself or work in collaboration with counterparties from Russia - the West does not buy any industrial products from Ukraine and will not - even semi-finished products are bought from metallurgists, and not rolled products.
            Cum they carried a linden, beats with facts - Ukraine has never delivered anything from manufactured goods to the West, and a Ukrainian engineer in Germany is not even needed as a plumber. and as an engineer laughing Ukrainian enterprises only cooperated with the former USSR and occasionally with the former CMEA countries. Rarely and few. And it is precisely the instant bankruptcy of Antonov, Yuzhmash, even ZAZ after the breakdown of relations — that the Ukrainian engineer, if he needed and was needed, was only someone who knows how to speak with Russia. On the dog’s Lviv guar, he will not agree with anyone, not knowing the Russian language.
            PiSi: lying is not good; you weren’t informed in childhood?
          2. +4
            7 February 2020 19: 52
            Quote: Holgerton
            Dealers immediately divided the market among themselves, when the main competitor in the person of Motor Sich was missing, how did the UEC start to occupy a niche less advanced in terms of efficiency and digital control of the VK-2500?

            None, that was it. Savsam ne so. ©
            Negotiations with Boguslaev on the organization of a joint venture on TV3-117 with the participation of Motor Sich have been conducted since the time of Boris the Alcoholic. But the cunning Boguslaev did not say yes or no. After a dozen years of transfusion from empty to empty, patience ran out - and in 2010 it was decided to build its own plant. That is, the cunning Boguslaev outwitted himself - it was his rejection of the joint venture that led to the creation of a plant in Shuvalovo.
            But at the same time, no one refused the products of Motor Sich - even after 2014, the production of Klimovtsy did not cover all the needs for TV3-117, and besides, Motor Sich had engines that we did not produce at all.
            By the way, don't you remind me - who was the developer of "Motor Sichevskiy" TV3-117? And who was the developer of the VK-2500? wink This is the question of "advancement".
            Quote: Holgerton
            and the joint completion would allow preserving strategic cooperation, loading related enterprises, in addition to putting your people in place, you could achieve not only media, but also a real desire of Ukraine towards the CIS until 2014,

            Yes, it’s easier to write: it was necessary to put Ukraine on the neck of Russia and feed it. That's right, why do we need to load our plants - it is better to place orders in Ukraine.
            There are no people in Ukraine. There are no pro-Western or pro-Russian politicians. There, all politicians are pro-Ukrainian: the current political position depends only on who gives the most at the moment.
            Here you have typical pro-Russian Ukrainians. Do you recognize?

            And I still do not remember that about one of the founders of the "Party of Regions" and a prominent figure in the government of Profesor.
    2. ANB
      0
      8 February 2020 00: 52
      There are three official languages ​​in Canada.
      English is one of the state, as it is spoken by the majority of the population.
      Well, the head of state is the Queen of England.
    3. 0
      8 February 2020 05: 20
      I didn’t catch the couple - what is wrong with Canada? what has fallen apart? Indeed, if in Montreal more than in Quebec City, 8 out of 10 do not have basic English. and for me it still doesn’t fit in my head, the citizens of one country with the same passport cannot understand each other)))
      1. +1
        8 February 2020 07: 58
        Yes, everything with Canada, as for me. According to the constitution, there are two state languages ​​there. There is also a joke that there is no one confused by signs in Chinese, as I understand it, comrade. ANB had this in mind, only he is NOT a state language.
        How else? Canada was actually founded by the French, then was under the UK, the main trading partner is the United States, however, relations are stable with the Kingdom, for example with China, and without tantrums all.
        Now we take hypothetically. since Canada decides to pose and break ties with the EU or China, for example. Who will feel bad? The EU will not even notice, but in Canada the market will cut, and there will be less money - that’s clear. In Canada, they understand this. in Ukraine they nod to Canada, as to the promised land - and do not understand ... Bullshit!
  7. +2
    7 February 2020 16: 50
    It’s interesting - but who needs education in Ukrainian? And then where to work with such a diploma? In general, it was interesting to look, for example, at a textbook on quantum physics or there is a compromise on mov. Here you go where you giggle - like a collection of jokes. It really hurts their non-current version of the language for the Russian people is funny and ridiculous ..
    1. +3
      7 February 2020 17: 06
      Normal textbooks in Ukrainian, This is not the problem.
      For someone who does not know Ukrainian, it may sound funny, but for someone who studied Ukrainian at school, nothing funny, language as a language, nothing special.
      In Soviet times in Ukraine, when I was studying, Ukrainian was taught at school.
      And the textbooks are also Ukrainian, nothing special.
      Another thing is that Russian to learn physics in a non-native language, including Ukrainian, is much more complicated, this is a fact.
      The problem with the training itself is primarily in this, in my opinion.
      AO especially considering the fact that the same East of Ukraine, as they spoke Russian, says so, and it’s difficult for a child to readjust all the time.
      First of all, the question arises: why do Russian-speaking deputies in Ukraine, and most of them, vote to restrict their own language, which they themselves speak, for training?
      1. +1
        7 February 2020 20: 27
        They remembered the language of Ukrainian poets! And the songs! This is a masterpiece. But this is not modern surzhik. I am no longer young and lived in Western Ukraine and I know many dialects with the influence of the Slovak, Romanian, Polish language. But this is a common language, and not for textbooks at school. The language of writers and poets cannot but be loved. But the Ukrainian language of cattle is impossible! And especially the mediocre legislators who are imposing do not know what it is at all. In Odessa, Ukrainian is easily combined with Russian and no one pays attention to it.
    2. +4
      7 February 2020 17: 16
      Will it come down in quantum mechanics?
      http://old.physics.lnu.edu.ua/depts/KTF/books/QM4/index_ua.html
      At leisure for fun smile
      1. 0
        7 February 2020 17: 54
        Thank. Already the introduction inserts .. good
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          1. +1
            7 February 2020 19: 19
            Mova is not another language, it is Russian, diligently dilapidated by mediocre movnyuki .. And even to the Little Russian dialect that I heard in my youth has little to do. Artificial ridiculous construct. Because all Russian-speakers-and laugh at him ..
          2. +2
            7 February 2020 19: 57
            Quote: Wink
            Strange yet you are Russian, everything that is not in Russian inserts you.

            Not all. Just when a popular dialect suddenly acquires the rights of an official language - yes, it inserts it, something like a document on Albanian.
            In general, the classics already had all this:
            The stations were empty, dirty, with hastily pinned up Ukrainian inscriptions, which seemed their unexpected spelling and words the work of some kind of amused cartoonist ...
            This new language for us was just as little suitable for official use as, for example, Russian folk. Wouldn't it surprise you if somewhere in a Russian state institution you saw a poster: "Not without a report." Or in the carriage: "Do not stick your muzzle", "Do not push your head against the glass", "It is forbidden to breed containers-bars here."
            © Teffi
          3. ANB
            +1
            8 February 2020 01: 04
            We open verses of Taras Shevchenko. Any Russian-speaking will understand everything without translation.
            This is literary language.
            Open a book in Ukrainian 70s. More difficult, but still understandable. Here already Grushevsky tried.
            I don’t understand modern Ukrainian.
            I'm afraid that not all Ukrainians understand it.
  8. +2
    7 February 2020 16: 53
    ... Law No. 0901 violates the rights and ignores the will of a huge number of Ukrainian citizens ...

    The interests of the peoples of the former Ukraine are deeply violet for the Kiev authorities. Everything that is done, no matter what laws and regulations are adopted at power gatherings, everything is aimed at only one thing - to snatch a piece out of the trough and secure permanent residence away from this "wild field". And the destruction of the "Russian world" (the innermost and long-standing dream of "Europe" and "America") begins with the destruction of such institutions as linguistic and Orthodox, which is not paid for by the "customers". For "customers" this is a strategy, but for the independent business and shit at the door of a neighbor (a favorite pastime of Svidomites). It is unaware to Kiev and the rest of Ukraine that by this they predict the end of their own state. Even the most notorious scoundrels and Russophobes understood this.
    1. 0
      7 February 2020 17: 09
      I can’t imagine who is interested in Saakashvili’s opinion on any issue. Dummy and zero.
  9. 0
    7 February 2020 16: 57
    Let them refuse, then it will come out to them sideways, simply these banderlogs are so stupid that they still do not understand this. And so it's time for them to slowly shut off oxygen. Interestingly, do we have services tracking especially stubborn opponents of our good neighborliness?
  10. +4
    7 February 2020 17: 00
    Ugh you! That's it...
  11. +2
    7 February 2020 17: 03
    There will be no peace.
    1. +1
      7 February 2020 17: 36
      And who needs it? When to fish in troubled waters.
  12. +4
    7 February 2020 17: 04
    You need to see who benefits from this! Naturally, the sponsors of Maidan, the United States and the European Union. Completely tearing the Ukrainians away from Russian roots, it is then easier to push them into the massacre against Russia, and simultaneously separate from Ukraine part of the territories on which the ever-NATO and American military contingents will be located.
    1. -4
      7 February 2020 17: 10
      Yes. Everything goes to the Third World War.
    2. +8
      7 February 2020 17: 30
      Quote: Thrifty
      You need to see who benefits from this!

      It was always beneficial to the west. For two hundred years they tried to pit the East Slavs among themselves ... And in the end, they did it. Ukrainians are brainwashed that the Russians are not their brothers, but their enemies, and many believe this.
      1. dSK
        +2
        7 February 2020 21: 48
        Garry Es Truman (1884 - 1972), 33rd U.S. President (1945-1953 from the Democratic Party), Baptist, high-ranking Freemason (in 1959 he was awarded an honorary award in honor of 50 years of service to the Masonic Order:
        "If we see that Germany wins the war, we should help Russia, if Russia will win, we should help Germany, and let them kill each other as much as possible"(wikipedia);
        - Over the past time, this technology has developed significantly. bully
  13. +2
    7 February 2020 17: 09
    These 80 percent of Russian-speaking people did not mind that they wiped their feet about them and their children. So they wiped it.
    1. +2
      7 February 2020 17: 21
      In Ukraine they wiped it, but in Russia they allowed it to be wiped.
      After all, the Russians do not abandon their own ... Really ?!
      1. 0
        7 February 2020 21: 57
        After all, the Russians do not abandon their own ... Really ?!

        it is you who abandoned yours. Russia where it was and always keeps doors open
  14. +6
    7 February 2020 17: 32
    Our parliamentary figures tried very hard to return to PACE, but just something is not heard that they were protesting against Ukrainian law.
  15. 0
    7 February 2020 18: 08
    Toli Toli insanity cowardice before Natsik.
  16. +7
    7 February 2020 18: 13
    The fact that Ukrainian-speaking children have undeveloped thinking, are worse at colloquial speech, and have a limited outlook is no secret to anyone. This is recognized by teachers, educators and psychologists. Well, we have few books so that children can be taught and developed from childhood ... This is for the Russians - Pushkin "with comrades", but here - zilch. So there is a gap. Now the school - yes, Russian-speaking children are only engaged in "translating" from one language to another. Naturally, the material is not assimilated. So it turns out that by prohibiting the Russian language, our children are deprived of the opportunity to receive a normal education! And then, God forbid, they will know better than the lads from the village. All places in the institutes will be taken. Why is there an institute! They will be able to break through to the top ... And in general, if they count, it turns out that there are more Russians in this territory than Ukrainians !!! Where, then, to run and who to blame?
    1. 0
      7 February 2020 18: 52
      And this, Lesya Ukrainka, or she is not readable.
      1. 0
        7 February 2020 19: 25
        So now they can’t even use Russian words at work, even to miners. By the way, not all miners know MOV well, so that they can speak it in vain, but on the other hand, whoever hears them in the mine .... God forbid, under the rubble ...
      2. +1
        7 February 2020 19: 31
        Quote: Lamata
        And this, Lesya Ukrainka, or she is not readable.

        very readable, only in high school. And here we are talking about children! Do you just think that all kindergartens were drastically translated into Ukrainian? But how many words a child under 7 "picks up" - this will be his main vocabulary. And what modern "writers" like Nitsa write .... and adults won't read
  17. BAI
    +1
    7 February 2020 20: 39
    1.
    Once again, Budapest turned out to be much more consistent, persistent and convincing in defending the rights of those people who speak and think the same language as Moscow than it does.

    Budapest is much more influential in the European Parliament than Moscow.
    2. Today on TV showed the next swara in the Verkhovna Rada. What is noteworthy is all swearing in Russian, although Russian has long been banned in the walls of the Rada.
  18. +3
    7 February 2020 21: 44
    I do not want mov (although at school I had five points in the Ukrainian language / literature). In my time.
    I- I do not want to be forced to make Ukrainians.
    I- I do not feel like Ukrainian / Ukrainians.
    I grew up in a family / city / peninsula where everyone speaks Russian.
    I- always feel like a Russian in the end.
    Therefore, all these laws evoke a feeling of sharp antipathy towards Ukraine as a whole, and its relative leadership in particular.
    Such is the vision of the situation from the ground.
  19. 0
    8 February 2020 02: 33
    The coup was supported, the war was supported, this law will be supported.
  20. VLR
    0
    8 February 2020 06: 56
    The betrayal of Russians and Russian-speakers in the Baltics is the crime of the inadequate alcoholic Yeltsin, about whom the grateful "successor" and heir Putin has not yet said a bad word. But for the mediocre foreign policy, the transformation of fraternal (without quotes) Ukraine into a Nazi Russophobic state, for inadequate ambassadors - the semi-literate swearing man Chernomyrdin, who slept through the 1st Maidan, and the mediocre Zurabov, who slept through the 2nd, for the tragedy of Donbass and the betrayal of tens of millions of Russians in Kharkov , Odessa, Kherson, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev and other cities - Putin will have to answer for this. Before the judgment of history. Our children and grandchildren will write the right words in the right textbooks.
    PS I sincerely hope that Putin will not have time to lose Belarus as well.
  21. +2
    8 February 2020 15: 32
    This is impossible: control will be lost. Last year’s example. Ukraine, a Russian-speaking pilot reports an engine failure, it is controlled by a Russian-speaking flight manager ...
    Another example. USSR, 1990, grandfather and dad are walking along the asphalt road, and the grandson "rides" a bicycle. Diligently (and loudly) speak Polish (national consciousness has awakened). Suddenly, a car flies out from around the corner, the grandson on the bike does not observe him. The elders scream loudly. Matom. What language? Right.
  22. -2
    8 February 2020 17: 44
    “Further - only“ mov ”, and in the study of all to one subjects and disciplines, regardless of the wishes of the children and their parents. ”
    Let's reason logically. If I-you-you-they, we study at a school in Russian, in the country Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Brooklyn (New York State) and finish it successfully. And we want to study further at the university. So you need to look for a university where physics, mathematics, chemistry are taught in Russian, because when you were at school, all these subjects were in Russian and I-you-you-they don’t know these subjects in their native language. Or go to Russia and go to college there.
    Farther. Suppose (albeit incredible!) That I-you-you-they found a university in their country with objects in Russian and finished it.
    How to find an engineer’s job if everything at the university was in Russian and I-you-you-they don’t know the local language, and its knowledge is necessary in production. There is only one way out - to go to work in Russia. Those. all of these countries will train personnel for employment in one country - Russia! Well, which country will do this?
    1. 0
      8 February 2020 18: 08
      Quote: eklmn
      Those. all of these countries will train personnel for employment in one country - Russia!

      The huge country of India. The official language is English. How did they get to such a life?
      "Personnel" are not flowing to Russia, but to the United States and China.
    2. +2
      8 February 2020 20: 08
      Now, for some reason, you are studying in the Ukrainian language (which is now / never useful to you). Then, retrain to aglitsky!
      Honestly, it became even interesting how English sounds in Ukraine.
      I studied for a long time, and in Russian. Oddly enough it sounds ...
      1. 0
        8 February 2020 20: 35
        “Honestly, it’s even become interesting how English sounds in ...”
        It sounds that in Ukraine, in Germany, in Israel - it sounds with an accent, but it sounds!
        In the Czech Republic, Austria, and also in Hungary - English sounds.
        But we are talking about the country and the language of that country where I-you-we-they-were born. Kindergarten-school-university - native language. A country may have a second language, popular, but ... all officials look at pieces of paper written in their native language, all documentation (technical / legal / medical - in their native language). Here is an example of Brooklyn - you can live there all your life without knowing English! Doctors / lawyers / banks / shops / pharmacies - everything is in Russian! If you need to draw up a piece of paper in English. - they will help you for free. But this is a ghetto!
        Without English, you won’t go anywhere from Brooklyn;
        You need to know / learn your native language first, then all the others ...
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  23. 0
    9 February 2020 18: 18
    Quote: Lister
    It is necessary to be complete in order to pass a law on the rejection of the Russian language spoken by a large part of the population of Ukraine.

    It is not complete .... - it is Svidomo Bandera bastard, which finally got to power and is trying to create a state for itself and it can exist, with their cave hatred of Russia, only as anti Russia and Russian language in it unacceptable!

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