Bulgarian gratitude to Russia: we remember here, we do not remember here


As you know, you can endlessly look at a burning fire and flowing water. And still it is necessary to observe endlessly how the Bulgarian authorities once again show the most ungrateful black ingratitude towards Russia. It so happened historically that a lot of Russian blood was shed over the centuries over the centuries. Nevertheless, Sofia has always and invariably, for centuries, been a member of all anti-Russian military alliances and blocs, no matter how many were created. Subsequently, the "brothers" inevitably ran to Moscow for forgiveness - and received it. Interestingly, this will continue to be so?


The reason for reflection on this topic was the message that the state-owned gas supply company Bulgaria “Bulgargaz”, it turns out, is preparing an appeal to the European Commission, in which it intends to demand the resumption of the “antitrust investigation” against the Russian “Gazprom”. The reason for this is the reluctance of our gas giant to “adjust prices”, that is, speaking humanly, to sell Sofia fuel at a dumping price. And the Bulgarians do such things, barely having time to enter the project of the launched Turkish Stream pipeline.

There is nothing to be surprised at. Even the most sane, at first glance, residents of Bulgaria, who insist on the public about their "warm gratitude to Russia and its people", show this feeling in a rather strange manner. Yes, they seem to remember the liberation war of 1877-1878, in which 15 and a half thousand of our compatriots were killed, and without which there would simply be no Bulgaria on the political map of the world. However, celebrating its next anniversary, in Sofia they say something about "bringing freedom" from the Turkish yoke ... "Ukrainians and other Cossacks." Charming. And the fact that the autocrat all-Russian Alexander II sent them to Shipka and Plevna is forgotten? However, the politically incorrect phrase "Russian liberators" in Bulgaria, apparently, is prohibited.

In Sofia they generally prefer to keep silent about their participation in the First World War on the side of the “Triple Alliance” hostile to Russia. And it’s very correct - because then, contrary to custom, the Bulgarians, whom the aggressive rage took on, fought very seriously. And not only the Serbs were slaughtered, but also fought with the children and grandchildren of those who liberated them in 1877. On the Romanian front, in 1916 they clashed violently with our units. Not without reason did the Russian soldiers, shocked to the utmost by such a betrayal, were not always taken prisoners of desperate fights at the front and atrocities in the rear of the "brothers". The manifesto of Emperor Nicholas II, in which he declared the people declaring war on Sofia, began with the words: “The unprecedented happened” ...

What is there "unprecedented"? As soon as the eagle of the Third Reich spread its wings over Europe, Bulgaria also rushed under this wing.

More than 42 thousand square kilometers occupied by Sofia during the Second World War, the Bulgarian punitive units in Greece and Yugoslavia, the persecution of Jews in the country - all this was. The USSR fought with Bulgaria as many as 4 full days. Well, in the sense I was officially at war. Then the "little brothers" were given rifles in their teeth, put into operation the II Ukrainian Front 5 divisions formed from them and sent to Berlin. Well, some of this came out - for anyone Joseph Vissarionovich would not allow anyone to walk on Red Square at the Victory Parade. The Bulgarians participated ... And thanks to Stalin, Sofia was among the victors of the Nazis, and not their allies - otherwise, it would now be a Greek province.

Then, too, there was a lot of interesting things. The Bulgarian elites also tearfully requested the Soviet Union as the 16th republic, and then they joined NATO almost in the forefront, and they ended up in the European Union, where they are now one of the poorest countries. In a word, nothing has changed. Now she says in Sofia that they didn’t even rush to the North Atlantic bloc or the EU - all these vile and corrupt politicians dragged them there. So swap these politicians, who gets in the way? You have a kind of democratic republic ... But it’s a strange approach: here we remember, we don’t remember here, and there it’s not all of us, these are our pro-Western elites ...

It is noteworthy when certain representatives in Bulgaria are accepted to lament over the "acts of vandalism" in relation to Soviet monuments. Outraged? Well, then organize the guards, catch the bastards and put them on trial. Or does multi-vector interfere? ..
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  1. Loess 7 February 2020 12: 35 New
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    Subsequently, the "brothers" inevitably ran to Moscow for forgiveness - and received it
    And they say Bulgaria at one time asked to join the USSR ... We had to take it.
    1. Varyag_0711 7 February 2020 12: 50 New
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      Loess
      Subsequently, the "brothers" inevitably ran to Moscow for forgiveness - and received it
      And they say Bulgaria at one time asked to join the USSR ... We had to take it.
      What for? Feed another ridger? So the USSR and so fed them in three throats, until he overstrained.
      1. Loess 7 February 2020 12: 55 New
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        Quote: Varyag_0711
        But why?

        And for the collection. Who knows how it would turn everything ...
        1. Tatyana 7 February 2020 13: 12 New
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          Actually, for the sake of justice, it is necessary to note one historical nuance in the history of the Bulgarian people. Namely.

          When the Bulgarians were under the Ottoman yoke, the so-called the “Bulgarian” national elite was formed all the same from the Turks or from the ousted Bulgarians, and not from the Bulgarians themselves. It was then that this Turkish elite and its descendants in Bulgaria, after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, "slandered."
          Therefore, Turkey has historically always had its enormous geopolitical influence on the foreign and domestic policies of the pro-Turkish upper classes in Bulgaria itself.
          Erdogan Turkey has this influence and is now on the Ottoman merger of Bulgaria and Turkey.

          As a matter of fact, we are now seeing the same policy of Poland in making Ukrainian Ukrainians sadder in Ukraine.
          The same policy of pulling Russian Germans to their side before WWII was used by German special services in the future front-line territories of the Republic of Ingushetia.
          The same policy of pulling the Soviet Germans to their side before WWII was used by the German special services in the future front-line territories of the USSR - in the same Volga region.
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            1. Tatyana 7 February 2020 13: 45 New
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              Quote: maidan.izrailovich
              After liberation from the Turks, the first ruler of Bulgaria was a German.

              However, the ousting Bulgarians and the Turkish intelligentsia in Bulgaria, with their Turkish-Russophobic influence, didn’t get anywhere from the country.
              Here the Bulgarians opposed Russia either in alliance with the Turks, or in alliance with the Germans.
              Marxists taught the Russians not to pay attention to the nationality of the representatives of the "top" in the country and serving the "top" of the intelligentsia. But in vain!
              1. maidan.izrailovich 7 February 2020 13: 49 New
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                However, the outgoing Bulgarians and the Turkish intelligentsia in Bulgaria ...

                I do not refute what you said. And just add that to everything you said they also had the ruling dynasty, the Germans. That's where every time during the war, Bulgaria was at one with Germany.
              2. vladcub 7 February 2020 18: 51 New
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                Tatyana, on the whole you’re right, but let's call a spade a spade: it’s not Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels: they “taught the Russians”, but the RCP (b) and comrades with “Russian” surnames: Bronstein, Zalkind, Rosenfeld, Sverdlov and others.
                1. Tatyana 7 February 2020 19: 13 New
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                  Quote: vladcub
                  RCP (b) and comrades with "Russian" surnames: Bronstein, Zalkind, Rosenfeld, Sverdlov and others.

                  However, these are just performers for the implementation of Russophobic national ideas of K. Marx. Alas!
                  In Marxist-Leninist theory, on the national level, not everything is as pure as the Communist party members presented to us in lectures at universities.
                  I only found out about this when I was preparing to take the candidate exam in Marxist-Leninist philosophy in graduate school, conscientiously reading and studying the works of classics of m / l on national issues.
                  1. DNS-a42 9 February 2020 14: 08 New
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                    And what is not clean there?
              3. DNS-a42 9 February 2020 14: 09 New
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                Quote: Tatiana
                Marxists taught the Russians not to pay attention to the nationality of the representatives of the "top" in the country and serving the "top" of the intelligentsia. But in vain!
                Do you need to measure the skull and length of the nose?
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          3. Ros 56 7 February 2020 14: 52 New
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            I don’t understand, do you want to say that these outraged Bulgarians still rule? I'm right?
            1. Tatyana 7 February 2020 15: 18 New
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              Quote: Ros 56
              I don’t understand, do you want to say that these outraged Bulgarians still rule? I'm right?

              I want to say that in Bulgaria the Bulgarians themselves rule and not so much the outraged Bulgarians as the descendants of the heirs of the historical Ottoman-Turkish bureaucratic diaspora in Bulgaria. They retained their national pro-Turkish mentality on the fate of ethnic Bulgarians, on Orthodoxy and a historical place in the world of Bulgaria itself in relation to the Ottoman-Turkish empire and to modern Turkey.
              1. Ros 56 7 February 2020 16: 39 New
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                But do the Bulgarians themselves know about this?
                1. Tatyana 7 February 2020 18: 19 New
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                  Bulgarians know about this. They themselves talk about it.
                  1. The little wink 7 February 2020 19: 43 New
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                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Bulgarians know about this. They themselves talk about it.

                    The founder of Bulgaria, Khan Asparuh, was actually from the Türks (Turks) himself, and it must be assumed that the descendants of the Türks in that Bulgaria were the ruling class over the Slavic population, although these descendants of the Bulgarian Türks probably became glorified over time.
              2. Bagatur 8 February 2020 10: 09 New
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                lol Such stupidity ... the comment is not worth it! They fought against the Entente in WWI ... YES! And for a very good reason. I don’t intend to give lectures to you .... But this damn Bulgarian is a damned bastard, etc., and Russia it is white and fluffy keep for yourself!
                1. Lekz 14 February 2020 00: 47 New
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                  Do you think that there were good reasons for being an ally of Germany in the Great Patriotic War? Of course, you can find reasons. Here is a conscience to not succeed if it does not exist.
                  1. Bagatur 14 February 2020 12: 57 New
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                    Sorry, but you do not know that when Bulgaria joined the Trilateral Pact of the USSR did not mind? On the contrary, the Bulgarian Communists, by order of Monqua, carried out propaganda for "Union with the USSR and Great Socially-Fair Germany."
                    1. Lekz 15 February 2020 21: 00 New
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                      This is not known to me. But I know that, November 25, 1940 - “subject to the conclusion of a pact on mutual assistance with the USSR, objections to Bulgaria’s accession to the well-known pact of the three powers are no longer available. It is likely that in this case, the Soviet Union will join the Tripartite Pact. ”
                      1. Bagatur 16 February 2020 12: 04 New
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                        Right! Then the military base of the USSR in Shumen, Yambol, Varna and Burgas .... And then the Baltic version ..... Thank you)))))
                      2. Lekz 16 February 2020 13: 14 New
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                        Thanks for the honesty. German bases in Shumen, Yambol, Varna and Burgas .... are better for you than Soviet ones. That’s what I’m talking about. Of the two brothers you have chosen German.
                      3. Bagatur 16 February 2020 16: 16 New
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                        We did not have German bases. Yes, and the Swabians of National Socialism did not set us up! In 44 with the Red Army came the NKVD with all its charm. For three years, the Bulgarian Communists massacred more than 30 killed. ..
                      4. Lekz 16 February 2020 19: 40 New
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                        The absence of German military bases in Bulgaria suggests that Soviet submarines were drowned by Bulgarian sailors. And the service of the German fleet in the Black Sea was also carried out by the Bulgarians. Are you talking about this? You deal with your coups and change of government yourself, but when talking about repressions under the people's power, do not forget the killed Bulgarian, Greek and Yugoslav partisans during your friendship with Hitler, the war crimes of the Bulgarian army in Yugoslavia and Greece and the Bulgarian anti-tank brigade of SS troops. There is something to remember.
                      5. Bagatur 16 February 2020 19: 59 New
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                        Strange .... why did the Soviet ambassador sit the whole war in Sofia? And the communist massacre was arranged by a gray-haired man on the Red Army cabins!
  2. vladcub 7 February 2020 19: 00 New
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    "" The popular elite was formed from Turks or outlawed Bulgarians "it is debatable here:" Hristo Botev or Vazov were not friendly towards the Turks, to put it mildly.
  3. Vitaly gusin 8 February 2020 13: 58 New
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    Quote: Tatiana
    Actually, in fairness it should be noted

    And in fairness, you could explain, probably not all problems are connected only with these countries (not only Bulgaria).
    Perhaps there are deeper reasons that are associated with the foreign policy of modern Russia, and not with comrades with "Russian" surnames: Bronstein, Zalkind, Rosenfeld, Sverdlov
    Here is a list of all the friendly countries of the USSR.
    You can choose the countries that have the same relations as in the USSR.

    The USSR included 15 union republics:
    Russian SFSR, Ukrainian SSR, Belorussian SSR, Uzbek SSR, Kazakh SSR, Georgian SSR, Azerbaijan SSR, Lithuanian SSR, Moldavian SSR, Latvian SSR, Kyrgyz SSR, Tajik SSR, Armenian SSR, Turkmen SSR, Estonian SSR
    The Warsaw Pact organization included:
    Albania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia
    So, do not blame the mirror.
    1. Tatyana 8 February 2020 17: 15 New
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      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
      Quote: Tatiana
      Actually, in fairness it should be noted

      And in fairness, you could probably explain that not all problems are connected only with these countries (not only Bulgaria). .

      You still forgot to praise Gorbachev and tell us that Gorbachev allegedly was right about everything! Which destroyed both the Warsaw Pact and the USSR (Sarcasm.)

      Gorbachev is an ordinary American agent. Posted Jul 13 2013 year


      Thatcher: The population of Russia should not exceed 15mln! Posted: 6 Jan 2014
  4. nemez 11 February 2020 09: 59 New
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    Read. Nothing of the Third Reich came of this. Of course there were traitors. But most of them remained true to their advice.
  5. viktor.hugoev 11 February 2020 18: 41 New
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    For some reason, and for some reason, many have a term on their lips: "rendered Bulgarians." This is fundamentally the wrong definition. The fact is that the Bulgarians, which are not even the oldest Turks, are of the Hunnish tribe, of the North Caucasian sense. Under pressure from the Khazars, Asparuh, the son of the founder of Great Bulgaria, Khan Kubrat, was forced to leave the northern Caucasus to the Danube, where he founded Bulgaria. Much later, the Asparuhites switched to Slavic. The closest blood relatives of modern Bulgars in the Russian Federation are the Balkars (residents of the Elbrus region, the Republic of KBR) and the Chuvash, Tatars, Bashkirs, Kumyks here too.
  • tihonmarine 7 February 2020 14: 03 New
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    Quote: Less
    Who knows how it would turn everything ..

    Well, this is what we see now HOW it turned.
  • Kronos 7 February 2020 12: 59 New
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    Nobody fed anyone. Equal development.
    1. To be or not to be 7 February 2020 13: 03 New
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      Kronos Today, 12:59

      Nobody fed anyone. Equal development ""
      You mean the Krimikovtsi metallurgical plant ... under Sofia. .. it seems he had. "NAMED AFTER L AND BREZHNEV" wink
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      1. Kronos 7 February 2020 13: 07 New
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        I mean that they invested in the development of the whole Union as a whole, which was much more reasonable than pushing everything into one of the republics
        1. To be or not to be 7 February 2020 13: 20 New
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          False understanding. It is imposed from outside .. here it is simple:
          -for the development of the country's economy requires access to foreign markets. Closing within the country will not lead to good. You can eat everything. including the country.
          -developing the economy within the CMEA framework - we are developing our own economy. including their potential On the other hand, helping to build an economy in the CMEA countries. they create jobs and increase social stability in them and. naturally, aid in their economy is diminishing ..
          1. Bagatur 8 February 2020 10: 13 New
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            Oh ... what kind of economy was built after 1944, the word is not! Now Greece where the USSR did not build anything salary 3 times higher ....
            1. IS-80_RVGK2 8 February 2020 16: 30 New
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              This is not the same Greece where full tryndets with the economy and unemployment of about 20%?
              Quote: bagatura
              Now Greece where the USSR did not build anything salary 3 times higher ....

              Who is to blame for the fact that in the Olympics about ditching their economy, the Bulgarians bypassed the Greeks. And not only that, in addition to this, the economy is proudly ruined for the benefit of the United States by refusing to cooperate normally with Russia. laughing
        2. maidan.izrailovich 7 February 2020 13: 43 New
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          I mean that they invested in the development of the entire Union ...

          Someone "invested", and someone invested.
          Of the fifteen republics, thirteen consumed more than they produced. Only the RSFSR and the BSSR consumed less than they produced. Thus, they all parasitized.
          Statistics on this topic have long been posted on the Internet. They are easy to find.
          1. Kronos 7 February 2020 14: 19 New
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            And what does the consumption list have to do with it? There was a single country where in each republic that developed by industry and counting who dines whom within the same country is one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR
            1. Ros 56 7 February 2020 14: 59 New
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              What kind of bumblebee is such a conclusion? The neighbor has meat, the other has cabbage, and on average they eat cabbage rolls, well, you're cunning.
            2. maidan.izrailovich 7 February 2020 14: 59 New
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              And what does the consumption list have to do with it? There was a single country where ...

              .... where someone plowed from dawn to dawn, and someone working in a half-hand and ate three throats.
              This is not just a “consumption list,” as you have called it. A comparative statistic. How much and which republic produced per person, and how much did it consume.
              1. Kronos 7 February 2020 15: 04 New
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                No, then everything is clear. There was a single economic system, counting inside it was about how to find out how much a kidney should a liver.
                1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 15: 28 New
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                  Quote: Kronos
                  There was a single economic system, counting inside it was about how to find out how much a kidney should a liver.

                  Good. So they lived as one family.
                  When in this family some family members work less and eat more.
                  This is true?
                  1. Kronos 7 February 2020 15: 46 New
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                    I agree there were excesses in the incorrect distribution of the availability of goods
                  2. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 16: 00 New
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                    Quote: Kronos
                    I agree there were excesses in the incorrect distribution of the availability of goods

                    Such excesses are good, we have meat in stores on holidays, in other republics it does not disappear from the shelves.
                    There is a metal plant in Georgia in Rustavi. 99% of Russians worked there. Georgians all over the USSR sat in the markets and traded products from their gardens. And they lived much better than us. An anecdote from those times.
                    They ask Georgian
                    - You can buy a Volga?
                    After much thought
                    - No.
                    Well, what will you do, poor Georgian.
                    He grumbles under his breath.
                    - Volga ... Volga .. Well, why do I need this stinking river with its moorings, steamboats ...
                  3. vladcub 7 February 2020 20: 29 New
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                    Regarding the Volga, I heard a version
                    - Moishe, can you buy the Volga?
                    -I can buy it, but as I think: where do I get so much water, and where do I get the transitions? I will not buy better
                  4. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 20: 39 New
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                    But then the Georgians were really the richest.
                    Cars bought for the money mad at that time.
                    Legends went about them.
                    Maybe other Caucasians and Central Asians were no poorer, but they flaunted their wealth
            3. Ka-52 11 February 2020 08: 56 New
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              Good. So they lived as one family.
              When in this family some family members work less and eat more.
              This is true?

              such families all the time lol
      2. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 15: 26 New
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        Quote: Kronos
        And what does the consumption list have to do with it? There was a single country where in each republic that developed by industry

        Well yes. You ate 1000 rubles, I am 1 ruble and are we both fed up?
        You're in a sheepskin coat, I'm in my underpants. Both are cold?
        Which industries?
    2. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 15: 23 New
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      Quote: maidan.izrailovich
      Statistics on this topic have long been posted on the Internet. They are easy to find.

      And here's another
      1. The little wink 7 February 2020 19: 52 New
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        Beautiful table and probably true. The RSFSR all ate, for 30 years they haven’t ate, why is there a poor population in the Russian Federation? Again, someone eats?
        1. Sova 8 February 2020 13: 29 New
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          And what poorer are the former republics, probably poorer than the Baltic states, Ukrainians?
          1. DNS-a42 9 February 2020 14: 29 New
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            Poor than ourselves.
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          And where did you get the idea that the population is poor? For example, one apartment and one car is enough for me and is no longer necessary and enough for me!
    3. DNS-a42 9 February 2020 14: 27 New
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      The picture is completely false.
  • Ros 56 7 February 2020 14: 56 New
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    Specify which Union and who invested?
    1. Kronos 7 February 2020 15: 01 New
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      Soviet
  • Varyag_0711 7 February 2020 14: 29 New
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    Kronos
    Nobody fed anyone. Equal development.
    How old are you? If it’s not enough, then one needs to be enlightened, but if it’s a lot, then it’s so big, and still believe in fairy tales.
    In the USSR there were TWO republics (RSFSR and BSSR), which fed the remaining 13. And the USSR, in turn, fed the entire block of the Warsaw Pact and not only it, but also some countries of Africa, Asia and Latin America in exchange for loyalty. How to stop feeding, so they immediately rushed to bed under the West. The only exceptions are North Korea and Cuba. And then, Cuba has recently been eyeing lying under the United States or still waiting.
    1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 15: 30 New
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      Quote: Varyag_0711
      some countries in Africa,

      Yes, not some. Almost half of Africa was fed
      1. The little wink 7 February 2020 19: 55 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        some countries in Africa,

        Yes, not some. Almost half of Africa was fed

        Well, it was necessary to meet the title of superpower. Now, too, it is necessary to correspond to the rank of at least a regional power, and to feed countries that recognize this.
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          Quote: Wink
          Well, it was necessary to comply with the title of superpower.

          Yes, who argues. Only thanks we don’t see from anyone
          Now, too, we must comply with the rank of at least a regional power,

          Have you heard enough of Obama?
          More about the gas station remember
    2. Bagatur 8 February 2020 10: 16 New
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      And the USSR, in turn, fed the entire block of the Warsaw Pact Wanted an empire and a map of Europe in red? It pays for it! Empires in history have gone into the past precisely for reasons of economic failure! The USSR went round the Siberian Sea, its Vasali and went to the dump of history.
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        You do not understand nichrome in the matter.
      2. Rey_ka 10 February 2020 13: 08 New
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        Well get the groan all over the air. chopped up the people. all poor unfortunate .... Sofa troops did not try to work, only work normally
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          It concerns you too after all to give advice not to roll bags.
    3. Reptiloid 8 February 2020 20: 48 New
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      And such countries of the USSR fed, and others!
      And schassss --- the country feeds its own oligarchs. Those countries were at least loyal like you Varyag0711 have written. And how loyal are the oligarchs to our country? So also retired for 5 years. It means more work.
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      Kronos
      Nobody fed anyone. Equal development.
      How old are you? If it’s not enough, then one needs to be enlightened, but if it’s a lot, then it’s so big, and still believe in fairy tales.
      In the USSR there were TWO republics (RSFSR and BSSR), which fed the remaining 13. And the USSR, in turn, fed the entire block of the Warsaw Pact and not only it, but also some countries of Africa, Asia and Latin America in exchange for loyalty. How to stop feeding, so they immediately rushed to bed under the West. The only exceptions are North Korea and Cuba. And then, Cuba has recently been eyeing lying under the United States or still waiting.
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  • Alekseev 7 February 2020 14: 01 New
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    Quote: Varyag_0711
    until he overstrained himself.

    That's right!
    Yes, there are Bulgarians ... And how many ungrateful, first of all, to their grandfathers - the winners, rubbish in the independent Baltic countries, and even here and there.
    The conclusion is clear: one can only rely on oneself, and with others pursue a pragmatic policy directly proportional to their behavior and historical memory.
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    Really why? All small countries, like Bulgaria, they are like that, as it’s softer to say something, oh ... a windy woman of very easy virtue laughing I am always glad to any client with big money. But the joy is completely not sincere. It will smile in your eyes and promise all-all-all, and behind your back you turn a cookie and spit on your plate until you see it. There are no exceptions.
    An interesting article, not about Bulgaria, but about Serbia, but there is absolutely no fundamental difference.

    Serbian brothers ...
    “Russia is a barbaric country and I’m afraid that the hoof of a Cossack horse does not trample modern civilization,” Serbian Prime Minister Milan Pirochanac 1887.
    The rest is here:
    https://stopserbophilia.blogspot.com/2016/03/blog-post.html
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      Quote: Shelest2000
      Serbian brothers ...

      What the Serbs say about us

      And that these
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    So the USSR and so fed them in three throats

    Remembering the story, we did not feed the Bulgarians. A good country with powerful agriculture. Tomatoes, peppers, brandy are not bad. What else is there? I really forgot what we studied there by history. A friend went to Bulgaria in the 80s, saying that they live very well there. By the way, the Bulgarians provided us with cigarettes when Yelkin covered all the tobacco factories for “overhaul”. At that time there were only BT (sidewalk bulls), Stewardess (Bitch), Opal (dragged on and fell), TU-134, Rodopi, Shipka (mass grave), Inter, Pliska ...
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      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      By the way, the Bulgarians provided us with cigarettes when Yelkin covered all the tobacco factories for “overhaul”.

      They covered up when tagged. It was with him that coupons for cigarettes appeared
      1. Mordvin 3 7 February 2020 18: 02 New
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        They covered up when tagged. It was with him that coupons for cigarettes appeared

        I remember very well when they appeared.
        Nikolai Ryzhkov, in 1985-1990. - Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, in the television program “USSR. The collapse of the empire ”(episode 7), shown on December 11, 2011 (NTV channel) tells how this tobacco hunger was artificially created in the country:“ Gorbachev calls me and says: “Here’s Yeltsin, can’t you come to me? " I've come. And I already knew what was going on. For several days almost riots took place. I say: “Mikhail Sergeyevich, why are you asking me? There is Boris Nikolayevich next to you, and ask him. Boris Nikolaevich, I may be mistaken, 28 tobacco factories. Of these, 26 were stopped for repair in one day. So what are you asking? That (ie Gorbachev): “Boris Nikolaevich, on what basis did you decide to stop the tobacco industry of the republic almost completely. Why did you do this? ”

        https://cont.ws/@aleksandr88/170900
        1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 18: 10 New
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          I remember very well when they appeared.

          I didn’t know such details. hi
          I thought you were wrong for years hi
    2. vladcub 7 February 2020 21: 32 New
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      Mordvin, of all the cigarettes you listed, only Rodopi and Inter b.m. were respected, and the Stewardess, Tu, Opal said: "poison with hay."
      1. Mordvin 3 7 February 2020 21: 55 New
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        To Mordvin, of all the cigarettes you listed, only Rodopi and Inter b.m.

        Why didn’t you like BT? I sometimes buy them now, but the quality is worse. Raw drive. In general, “Novosti” respected ours, dear Leonid Ilyich used them, they monitored the quality well there.
        1. vladcub 8 February 2020 18: 49 New
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          Comrade Mordvin, I have not smoked for many years, when I was a teenager, dabbled in BAM (Krasnodar Factory), the elders: Cosmos, Stolichnye, Rhodope, Belomor.
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      Always mixed with UTB "you fed me" .... We have never known the Holodomor ....
      1. Mordvin 3 8 February 2020 10: 41 New
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        Always mixed with UTB "you fed me."

        I never wrote or said that. I remember Bulgarian canned food. Stuffed cabbage, assorted ... hi
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          And the juices in the wine bottles as 50kop.
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  • To be or not to be 7 February 2020 13: 00 New
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    Did you ask?
    There was no further discussion.
    Something like this. Today Belarus asks.
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      Quote: To be or not to be
      Did you ask?
      There was no further discussion.

      Well, I don’t know the details. I heard that our own refused.
      1. To be or not to be 7 February 2020 13: 10 New
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        Much has been written on this subject. but in his memoirs Todor Zhivkov cursed so that they would not have understood him in the country ..
        And from the stories. for example this collection ..
        https://www.livejournal.com/media/711794.html тут и последнее интервью -видео -Тодора Живкова
        1. rich 8 February 2020 01: 38 New
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          Either in the late 80s, or in the early 90s, not cigarettes were given to the outpost, but cutfish! Such "sausages" without a filter are more than a meter. It was impossible to cut. Crumbled. Guys for cutting these whitefish adapted the device for burning out of the Leninist room. True, as a result, the state property was ruined. laughing I had to buy in Ashgabat at my own expense. He cost three rubles, but I had to look around the city smile
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            I still have one! Works.
      2. Bagatur 8 February 2020 15: 59 New
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        Yes! Why lose your voice at the UN? Bulgaria already did not have sovereignty like the whole of Eastern Europe.
    2. rich 8 February 2020 01: 23 New
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      But who remembers: coupons for cigarettes were given to all family members or only to adults?
      I already forgot such a detail winked
      1. AK1972 8 February 2020 06: 40 New
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        Coupons for cigarettes only for adults, for vodka from the age of 21. Our coupons were given to aster, prima and white sea, in free sale were: "Congress", "Bond", "Vaysroy" and "Magna", all at 7 p.50kop. Pshenichnaya vodka for 10 rubles., "Russian" for 9 rubles. 10cop It is about 1990-91.
        1. rich 8 February 2020 06: 58 New
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          Thank you Alex
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            Please, Dmitry. For completeness, I can add - the scholarship was 42 rubles., Increased - 53 rubles.
            Sincerely.
      2. Mordvin 3 8 February 2020 11: 26 New
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        Quote: Rich
        But who remembers: coupons for cigarettes were given to all family members or only to adults?

        Since 16 years.
        Quote: Rich
        Such "sausages" without a filter are more than a meter.

        We called them pasta.
        Quote: AK1972
        Coupons for cigarettes only for adults,

        I sold cigarettes from the age of 16, I remember that for sure, but I forgot something about the coupons. I remember that they gave five packs to each hand in the store.
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  • pytar 7 February 2020 13: 18 New
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    The author, as "modernizing" in Russian media, mixed everything into some kind of inedible compote! Gas, monuments, wars, Ukrainians, mess between the Balkan countries, the 16th republic ... that the author just didn’t manage to put in such a short material !!! Each line contains events of things taken out of context, compiled and distorted in a “suitable” way, to impress readers: "Bulgarians are ungrateful, traitors, they always fought against us, well, you see, people like that, they shouldn’t be released”! Does not honor the author, definitely! negative
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      what And here is the author? The author describes what they are doing in Bulgaria. In general, "there is nothing to blame for the mirror, since the face is crooked."
      1. pytar 7 February 2020 17: 29 New
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        And here is the author? The author describes what they are doing in Bulgaria. In general, "there is nothing to blame for the mirror, since the face is crooked."

        The author is completely unaware of "what they are doing in Bulgaria"! No offense I appeal to him. He earns his sins, but in vain!
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      It so happened historically that a lot of Russian blood has been shed over the centuries over the centuries. However, Sofia always and invariably, over the centuries was a member of all anti-Russian military unions and blocs. Subsequently, the "brothers" inevitably ran to Moscow for forgiveness - and received it

      Over the centuries??? And let's look at the facts:
      For 141 years since 1878, Bulgaria and Russia / USSR / RF entered into unfriendly unions 3 times - PMV-2, WWII-3 + NATO-15 years. Amount = 20 years. During these periods, they fought among themselves only 1 time (WWI) and then to the Bulgarian land, in the Balkans. Bearing in mind that the Russian Federation began to consider NATO an enemy since 2014, (-) 10 liters. It turns out 10 years. Of these (-3 years), during the WWII diplomatic relations were maintained. As a result, only 7 years of conflict remain! For 142 years, Bulgaria and Russia / USSR / RF have been allies or in close relations for 54 years. They fought together as allies 1 time / WWII /. In the remaining 67 years, the relationship was neutral. I won’t count how many times Russia crossed in one or another alliance, including from its eternal enemies!

      The reason for reflection on this topic was the announcement that the Bulgarian state-owned company Bulgargaz, .. is preparing an appeal to the EC, in which it intends to demand the resumption of the “antitrust investigation” against Gazprom. The reason for this is the reluctance of our gas giant to “adjust prices”, that is, speaking humanly, to sell Sofia fuel at a dumping price.

      The author is clearly not in the know - due to the antitrust agreement between the EU and the Russian monopolist concluded at the end of 2018 until 04.12. In 2019, Gazprom was supposed to sign a new agreement with the Bulgarian operator to reduce supply prices by 30%, while with retroactively - from August 31. So far, the parties have not been able to agree on the size of the price reduction. To date, the price at which Bulgaria buys Russian gas under an agreement with Gazprom is two times higher than on the exchange in Austria!

      Even the most sane, at first glance, residents of Bulgaria, who insist on the public about their "warm gratitude to Russia and its people", show this feeling in a rather strange manner. Yes, they seem to remember the war of liberation of 1877-1878 ... and without which there would simply be no Bulgaria on the political map of the world. However, celebrating its next anniversary, in Sofia they say something about "bringing freedom" from the Turkish yoke ... "Ukrainians and other Cossacks" .... And the fact that the all-Russian autocrat Alexander II sent them to Shipka and Plevna is forgotten?

      The author is again speculating or simply does not know what is at stake! In Bulgaria, the most respected foreign statesmen are Alexander II, our ego is called the “Tsar Liberator”! And no one in Bulgaria does not doubt that it was the Russian Imperial Army that brought the Liberation! The first time the mention of other nationalities that were part of this army occurred in speeches of. persons, even during socialism since the 50s! And it happened at the insistence of the Soviet authorities, along the lines of internationalism! Not a single Soviet / Russian leader, incl. and the GDP did not mind until recently, when Patriarch Kiril spoke out negatively on this occasion! By the way, few people know, but the communists who came to power in 1945-46, the first thing ... canceled the March 3 / Day of Liberation from the Ottoman yoke / as a national holiday in Bulgaria with a motive - "nationalist holiday"! This Day is sacred for all Bulgarians. It was restored after 90 years as soon as the Communists fell from power!

      In Sofia they generally prefer to keep silent about their participation in the First World War on the side of the “Triple Alliance” hostile to Russia. And it’s very correct - because then, contrary to custom, the Bulgarians, whom the aggressive rage took on, fought very seriously. And not only the Serbs were slaughtered, but also fought with the children and grandchildren of those who liberated them in 1877. On the Romanian front, in 1916 they clashed violently with our units. Not without reason did the Russian soldiers, shocked to the utmost by such a betrayal, were not always taken prisoners of desperate fights at the front and atrocities in the rear of the "brothers". The manifesto of Emperor Nicholas II, in which he declared the people declaring war on Sofia, began with the words: “The unprecedented happened” ...

      On the Balkans all were cut long before the WWII, and the so-called The "Romanian Front" was occupied 2 years ago by the Romanians of the Bulgarian Dobruzhdi! I will refrain from a detailed description of the events, I will give one link to one very objective Russian article. historian Konstantin Gaivoronsky:
      https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2017/10/20/738689-bratushki-bratoubiitsami

      What is there "unprecedented"? As soon as the eagle of the Third Reich spread its wings over Europe, Bulgaria also rushed under this wing. More than 42 thousand square meters. km occupied by Sofia during WWII, the Bulgarian punitive units in Greece and Yugoslavia, the persecution of Jews in the country - all this was. The USSR fought with Bulgaria as much as 4 full days. Well, in the sense I was officially at war. Then the "little brothers" were given rifles in their teeth, put into operation the II Ukrainian Front 5 divisions formed from them and sent to Berlin. Well, some of this came out - for anyone Joseph Vissarionovich would not allow anyone to walk on Red Square at the Victory Parade. Bulgarians participated ...

      The author forgets that at the time when Bulgaria was forced to join the Tristran Pact, the USSR had a year and a half non-aggression pact! The only condition set by Bulgaria is "in the event of a conflict, it will NOT participate against the USSR"! The maximum possible! All Jews with Bulgarian citizenship we saved! Do not give in crematoria, despite the requirements of Hitler!
      Greece and Yugoslavia are the very territories that the Republic of Ingushetia recognized in 1878 as Bulgarian, with the Bulgarian population, and which the Greeks and Serbs occupied in 1913, 1918. At the same time, the Greeks and Serbs showed themselves as punishers worse than Turks! For Bulgaria, the children of war were Liberation! After all, the USSR also concluded the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact in order to free the western ones - Ukraine and Belorussia! And yes! The Bulgarian army participated in the war against the Wehrmacht, recording glorious victories in its history! Commander-in-Chief of the 1-BGA, Gene Stoychev participated in the Victory Parade! Fact!

      The Bulgarian elites also tearfully requested the Soviet Union as the 16th republic, and then they joined NATO almost in the forefront, and they ended up in the European Union, where they are now one of the poorest countries. ... Now in Sofia he says that they didn’t even rush to the North Atlantic bloc or the EU - all these vile and corrupt politicians dragged them there. So swap these politicians, who gets in the way? You have a kind of democratic republic ... But it’s a strange approach: here we remember, we don’t remember here, and there it’s not us all, these are our pro-Western elites

      They asked how the socialist economy built on the Soviet model was constantly failing! 3 times went bankrupt! And Bulgaria joined NATO in 2004, 14 years after the collapse of the ATS! The period when the Russian Federation itself was actively friends with NATO members! It is true that according to statistics, Bulgaria still remains the poorest EU country. But the gap over the past ten years has narrowed! And then the Bulgarians see, understand! The level of support for EU membership in the Bulgarian society is consistently high - 56-62%! Our policies, we change periodically! Not like some other countries ...

      It is noteworthy when certain representatives in Bulgaria are accepted to lament over the "acts of vandalism" in relation to Soviet monuments. Outraged? Well, then organize a guard, catch the bastards and put him on trial ...

      Resent and protect the monuments! The author is not aware that Bulgaria is the world recorder for the concentration of monuments in honor of Russia / USSR. There are 530 of them! Of these, "Soviet" approx. weaving! In fact, they are not Soviet, but Bulgarian built on money and from the labor of the very Bulgarians! Nobody ever touched the monuments in honor of Russia, for the difference from the analogous ones in the USSR itself, where thousands of bolsheniks were destroyed! But some Bulgarians have an ambiguous attitude towards the "Soviet" ones, since for them these monuments are symbols of a foreign ideology. It is not so easy for the authorities to organize observation; some monuments are located in remote places! For some nonsense, it’s not a problem to go at 3 o’clock in the morning and sprinkle the cheto on the bins! There are nonsense in all countries! Since 2019, the government has already provided funds for video surveillance on several of the most iconic ones. The last case of “vandalism” would have been with two inadequate schoolgirls at 12 and 13 years old. Of punished as incomplete.

      Author: Alexander Kharaluzhny

      Alexander, I want to ask, aren't you ashamed?
      1. The leader of the Redskins 7 February 2020 16: 18 New
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        Bravo! Before writing such "analyzes", it is better to ask the inhabitants of a given country, to go there ... And everyone knows how to cheat.
        1. pytar 7 February 2020 17: 21 New
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          For me, as a Bulgarian sincerely loving Russia, and deeply connected with this great country, I am perplexed and indignant, all this anti-Bulgarian propaganda, which has been conducted in the Russian Federation for many years! Russia has so many enemies! Why and who needs to come up with more and more? And why did the propagandists hit precisely those peoples whose fraternal feelings for Russians are still alive? In Russia, Russophobic propaganda is also underway! But the Bulgarians, by the conservatism of their mentality, have little influence! It turned out to be easier to set up the Russians against the Bulgarians, because the Russians are not so well aware of our common history! The goal is clear - so that the Bulgarians, receiving constant reproaches and resentment, begin to respond in response! Politics is politics, it is guided by the narrow-clan interests of the ruling class, but at the everyday human level, intensive pitting comes from both sides! Who is behind all this? Who benefits? Ask yourself this question! Especially when such stats appear on popular Russian resources!
          You need to be friends! Russians, Bulgarians and many other peoples belong to the same civilization space! Rulers come and go, but nations remain!
          1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 18: 56 New
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            Quote: pytar
            It turned out to be easier to set up Russians against the Bulgarians

            Oh how. Nothing confused?
            It was you who started dung from the 90s pouring on us. Before your entry into nature, we considered you "bros"
            Why did you go back there? We were going to attack you?
            Against whom is Nata directed? Did not know?
            They knew, but flooded
            because the Russians do not know our common history so well

            A connoisseur of history, do you even know that in the USSR there was the best education in the world?
            A connoisseur of history, you spit so much there, but did not remember about SHIPKU.
            But we remember how the Russian soldiers died there from the cold, but not one Bulgarian brought them warm clothes.
            Well, about the "not so well aware of our common history-"
            Where did you study, I taught there
            What do you know, I have long forgotten.
            Where are you going i'm coming back from there
            1. pytar 7 February 2020 19: 42 New
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              Oh how. Nothing confused?

              Despite such a boorish appeal to me, I will answer humanly!
              It was you who started dung from the 90s pouring on us. Before your entry into nature, we considered you "bros"

              Who are we and who are you? After the 90s, anti-communist forces came to the BG and the Russian Federation! The rhetoric of Vesde has become similar. We, too, before your fraternization with NATO considered "you" bro! And still consider, but ALREADY not all of you!
              Why did you go back there? We were going to attack you? Against whom is Nata directed? Did not know?

              Ask your Gorbachev and Yeltsin first! If you have a small age or don’t remember, look for amazing videos from these characters and their statements of that time! Especially Yeltsin in the US Congress!
              A connoisseur of history, do you even know that in the USSR there was the best education in the world?

              Some of us studied in the USSR. Here the keyword was. Then you yourself declare that you forgot what you taught.
              A connoisseur of history, you spit so much there, but did not remember about SHIPKU.

              Do you want about Shipki? Good! I go there every year with tens of thousands of Bulgarians! Unfortunately, most of the Russian. tourists hanging out on the beaches, too lazy to reach the top to put flowers on the graves of their ancestors.
              But we remember how the Russian soldiers died there from the cold, but not one Bulgarian brought them warm clothes.

              Without invaluable help to the local Bulgarian population, hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers would have died out. I sincerely hope that you do not have ancestors, those who fought at Shipki. Otherwise, after your blasphemous statement, his Soul would be greatly offended!
              Well, about "they don’t know our general history so well. Where you studied, I taught there"

              Sergey, you have no idea where I studied and where I taught. I will not ask you where and what you did, but the comments show that the topic is not yours.
              What do you know, I have long forgotten.

              I agree with that. Serious oblivion ...
              Where are you going i'm coming back from there

              If you come back, it means you didn’t go there! Somehow you go around!
              1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 20: 02 New
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                Quote: pytar
                Despite such a boorish appeal to me,

                And I always appeal to representatives of a country that threatens my country with war
                Ask your Gorbachev and Yeltsin first!

                They didn’t pour mud on Russia
                Do you want about Shipki? Good! I go there every year with tens of thousands of Bulgarians!

                Yes, even sleep there.
                What does it have to do with it?
                Unfortunately, the majority of Ross. tourists hanging out on the beaches, too lazy to reach the top to put flowers on the graves of their ancestors.

                Again, the Russians are to blame?
                Without invaluable assistance to the local Bulgarian population,

                What are we modest. Have you rated yourself?
                “Invaluable”, warm clothes why didn’t they bring to Shipka?
                If you come back, it means you didn’t go there! Somehow you go around!

                If I return, then I have nothing to do there.
                And you go
                1. Marine engineer 9 February 2020 11: 49 New
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                  The topic is really not yours.
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                Please accept my apologies for the rudeness of my fellow citizens.
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              A connoisseur of history, you spit so much there, but did not remember about SHIPKU.
              But we remember how the Russian soldiers died there from the cold, but not one Bulgarian brought them warm clothes.[i] [/ i] Did the Bulgarians know what was happening at Shipka? This is not for you 2020, there is no mobile phone and the Internet. But the campaign through the Balkans without the support of the Bulgarians never comprehended its whole and the spring of 1878 could not end the war.
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            Quote: pytar
            You need to be friends! Russians, Bulgarians and many other peoples belong to the same civilization space! Rulers come and go, but nations remain!

            Boyan! I subscribe to your every word. Making historical claims against each other is counterproductive, and just plain stupid. It is necessary to find positive things in the history of our fraternal peoples, then friendship and love will be between us. If our politicians delve into the dirty linen of history, then Russia one day in the person of Bulgaria will receive a second Poland, and Bulgaria, respectively, a second Turkey. Speaking of Turkey Last year, on vacation in Turkey, we made friends with a Bulgarian family. Beautiful, sincere people, in 10 days they became like relatives, there was no language barrier at all. They invited to visit us in Plovdiv.
            Best regards
            1. pytar 8 February 2020 13: 14 New
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              Alexei, in what you said, it is simply impossible to find a negative and find fault with anything! That's right, I 100% agree! good And still there was one minus one! Amazing belay
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              I will remind you here ... When the Gestapo soldiers shot Dr. Peev, Moscow Radio announced in a Levitan voice: "Slavs! Bow your heads ... Tonight, the faithful son of the Slavic peoples, Dr. Peev, was shot ..."
      2. Mordvin 3 7 February 2020 17: 39 New
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        Alexander, I want to ask, aren't you ashamed?

        good One of the most beautiful monuments. drinks
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: pytar
          Alexander, I want to ask, aren't you ashamed?

          good One of the most beautiful monuments. drinks

          "Stands over the mountain Alyosha
          In Bulgaria, Russian soldier "
          1. AK1972 8 February 2020 13: 02 New
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            "Stands over Mount Alyosha

            This song I owe my name. When the mother in the maternity hospital was thinking what to call me, this song sounded on the radio. The name issue has been resolved.
        2. pytar 7 February 2020 18: 09 New
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          One of the most beautiful monuments

          At the end of the 18th year, a project began to improve the Bunardzhik hill, on which stands the monument to Alyosha.

          The project was initiated by the municipal authorities of Plovdiv. For its implementation, the state provided about 1 million euros. (75 million rubles)! The aim of the project is to update and improve the hill, which is a favorite place for residents of Plovdiv. Implemented - removal of dangerous stones, strengthening, repairing aqueducts, new lighting along the alleys, updating the alleys themselves, connecting with drinking water to the top and creating a recreation area, games, as well as various types of attractions. Plovdiv residents can already climb to the top to the monument by a special panoramic mini-train. All construction and installation works were completed ahead of schedule on 11.10.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX.
          The monument "Alyosha" itself was repaired with funds from the Ministry of Culture of Bulgaria several years ago, and is now in excellent condition.
          By the way, Bulgaria is one of the few countries where monuments in honor of Russia are built after the 90s! During this time, 12-14 new ones were erected!
          I did not see a mention of this, and of many similar events, in not a single Russian media! But as soon as a foolish idiot in the darkness of the night sprinkles some inscriptions, all rusmi begin to howl! The paint has not dried up yet, it’s still an early morning in Bulgaria, and they, as it were, knew in advance what would happen!
          1. Mordvin 3 7 February 2020 18: 49 New
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            Quote: pytar
            and is now in excellent condition.

            This is probably the most humane monument to the Soviet soldier. Two famous monuments outside Russia - Alyosha and in Treptower Park in Berlin. Alyosha is better, in my opinion. yes Thanks to the residents of Plovdiv! hi
            1. pytar 7 February 2020 19: 49 New
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              In my opinion, this is the most joyful monument to the Soviet Soldier! Because, others carry grief over the dead. There were no Soviet soldiers killed in battles in Bulgaria! Turn off cases at sea. This is not a grave under which buried human bones! True, there is another monument nearby - the Russian imperial army, there the feeling is completely different. Whoever says anything, Alyosha, as he was on the hill, it will be so! By the way, in Bulgaria there are 3 more monuments of Alyosha, about which most Russians do not know. hi
      3. icant007 7 February 2020 19: 16 New
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        Over the centuries??? And let's look at the facts:
        For 141 years since 1878, Bulgaria and Russia / USSR / RF entered into unfriendly unions 3 times - PMV-2, WWII-3 + NATO-15 years. Amount = 20 years. During these periods, they fought among themselves only 1 time (WWI) and then to the Bulgarian land, in the Balkans. Bearing in mind that the Russian Federation began to consider NATO an enemy since 2014, (-) 10 liters. It turns out 10 years. Of these (-3 years), during the WWII diplomatic relations were maintained. As a result, only 7 years of conflict remain! For 142 years, Bulgaria and Russia / USSR / RF have been allies or in close relations for 54 years. They fought together as allies 1 time / WWII /. In the remaining 67 years, the relationship was neutral. I won’t count how many times Russia crossed in one or another alliance, including from its eternal enemies!


        You get interesting math.
        It should be considered not the number of years lived together, but the number of wars and confrontations that we had.
        The First World War - Bulgaria against Russia.
        The second one, too, only at the end we were rebuilt on the side of the USSR, well, of course there was nowhere to go.
        Then there was membership in the police department.
        Then membership in NATO.

        In the asset you can only record Bulgaria's membership in the ATS.

        And in difficult moments of being, you always find yourself against us, and now too.

        So big hello to you, dear Boyan!
        1. pytar 7 February 2020 20: 23 New
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          You get interesting math.

          Mathematics is an impartial science. No matter how you like it, it is.
          It should be considered not the number of years lived together, but the number of wars and confrontations that we had.

          Do you think so in the family? Well, if you like, you can come back from the time of Kiev Svetoslav ... After all, in the XNUMXth century he attacked and ruined Bulgaria.
          The First World War - Bulgaria against Russia.

          The First World War - Russia against Bulgaria. By the way, we didn’t bomb your cities, but the RFF bombed ours.
          The second one, too, only at the end we were rebuilt on the side of the USSR, well, of course there was nowhere to go.

          It is clear that we had nowhere to go when Germany and the USSR controlled all of Europe, and Britain alone barely kept afloat there ... but for all that we did not go to war against the USSR! And yes, at the end they were rebuilt, as a result of ~ 280 thousand. German soldiers were captured by the British or died.
          Then there was membership in the police department.

          ATS that you ruined.
          Then membership in NATO.

          With whom you were friendly friends, for many years ...
          In the asset you can only record Bulgaria's membership in the ATS.

          Why? Yes, and write off the ego, because there was no referendum on membership!
          And in difficult moments of being, you have always been against us, and now too.

          You know, you were not in some fatally difficult moments for us, or rather you were on the side of our worst enemies. Do not reproach. Politics is guided by interests, as the authorities understand them, at one or another moment. Moreover, often interests change dramatically, respectively, and priorities.
          1. Sadam 7 February 2020 22: 23 New
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            how's the life there? Do Bulgarians miss the times of the Soviet Union? what do they say in the kitchen? in the Russian media, they put Bulgaria on the level of Albania - they are miserable .... they have closed the nuclear power plant. bell peppers are grown in Holland ....
            1. pytar 7 February 2020 23: 39 New
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              Hi Rod hi In the old days, people of the old generation are bored. Remember youth! On the one hand, remember the then social acquisition, calm and confidence in tomorrow. On the other hand, there is a total deficit, widespread nepotism, the fear that he said the wrong thing will be reported about you, the absolute power and impunity of party bosses and the leader.
              People of the middle and young generation, do not care about these things. They live from today, try to crawl the advantages of the new time and sharply criticize its shortcomings. Our people not only in the kitchen, but also in the open speak freely about everything. There is no official worship of some kind of power authorities! The bureaucrats often rake in full! From top to bottom! If anything, send them to a "sober" :)))) Shas prosecutors drove 5 of the richest businessmen. This is like our oligarchs. And in the afternoon, the parliament banned all private gambling lotteries.
              As for the standard of living, over the past 20 years has noticeably increased! We can say that the Bulgarians do not live well, but they are certainly no worse than in the Russian Federation. I often visit Russia, I can compare. This is due to the fact that Bulgaria is poor in natural resources. If our economy continues to develop so successfully, in 3-5 years, Bulgarian emigrants will begin to return. There are no problems! The demographic crisis, the level of corruption is still high for the EU country, the poor education of the gypsy population, etc.
              I constantly follow rus-media on topics about Bulgaria. I rarely miss any material. I can only say one thing - it’s a horror ... a parallel universe ... everything is distorted, everything is turned over completely!
              The nuclear power plant is operating normally, and right now they are preparing a tender for the second. With bell peppers the markets are full. All kinds of goods, there are Bulgarian, there are imported, everything is there. Enterprises are working, new ones are opening, they are building highways, full universities, cafes too. In short, not everything is white, but far from black. bully
              1. Bagatur 8 February 2020 10: 35 New
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                All kinds of goods, there are Bulgarian, there are imported, everything is there. Enterprises are working, new ones are opening, highways are being built, [b] [And there is NO Russian comrade! Don't they do anything there? One petrochemistry and all ... I will not say anything for the enterprises with the participation of Russian capital .... If I have hydrocarbons, I can say that Russia is simply not economical in Bulgaria!
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          .... And in difficult moments of being, you have always been against us, and now too.

          So big hello to you, dear Boyan! ......


          You, Dear, in vain try to offend or in any way insult the simple
          Bulgarians !!!! The elite of Bulgaria must be reproached! And just do not say that ordinary Bulgarians choose their elite and therefore bear responsibility for it! Before you say this, look at your elite, like you choose it, but many of its ranks are soaked that you won’t pull it on your head! For ordinary Bulgarians I will say this, because I have known them since childhood, I grew up with them. A people with character, but kind and helpful! There are many friends and real friends, faithful, sincere friends with whom you can go into intelligence. And I KNOW that in order for their elites not to "twist, stir up", I can rely on them. They certainly will not shoot in the back!
          Sincerely,
          1. icant007 7 February 2020 22: 03 New
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            And who told you that I'm trying to offend ordinary Bulgarians. This is not my principle at all.
            I mean, first of all, the state position of Bulgaria.

            Boyan here, as a patriot of his country, stands for his state, as I understand it.

            And he, as a citizen of his country, is probably ashamed of some actions of his leadership. Therefore, he seeks excuses in his mathematics.

            And I am also ashamed of the many actions of our government. But if my leadership is wrong, then I will always admit it, and not look for excuses.
            1. pytar 8 February 2020 00: 23 New
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              Boyan here, as a patriot of his country, stands for his state, as I understand it.

              Andrey, this is your perception of things, it always surprised me wildly! You divide everything into yours and ours! "Ours is always good and right," and that "not ours" is "depending on how it suits us!" Subjectivity goes wild! I am Bulgarian, but for a number of personal circumstances, I consider Russia and my country. I try to evaluate things as impartially as possible! I look at disputes as an opportunity to learn something new! And you look at them as a competition or as a tournament in which you must definitely “win”! It doesn’t matter that you are often and obviously wrong! You don’t care! Only your position is correct, and no stranger! Your "truth" is the only one, but it doesn’t happen, from the word at all!
              And he, as a citizen of his country, is probably ashamed of some actions of his leadership. Therefore, he seeks excuses in his mathematics.

              Of course! They are not gods, not albino leaders! Overdo it, tomorrow we will remove them from power! I’m not at all looking for an excuse, I will give everyone what I deserve!
              And I am also ashamed of the many actions of our government. But if my leadership is wrong, then I will always admit it, and not look for excuses.

              Congratulations! It should be so! And openly, not like on the forums? Are not you afraid that you can get hit by the blows of the law for insulting the authorities? We don’t have anything like that. Our prime minister, the most criticized, even publicly criticized figure! He doesn’t like it, they are too touchy, well, let him give the rest and go home!
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                Quote: pytar
                And you look at them as a competition or as a tournament in which you must definitely “win”! It doesn’t matter that you are often and obviously wrong! You don’t care! Only your position is correct, and no stranger! Your "truth" is the only one, but it doesn’t happen, from the word at all!


                This is not a tournament for me at all. When I’m wrong, I’m mistaken in something, I always try to admit it.
                I do not belong to the cheers-patriots for whom the main slogan "We can repeat."
                And I'm not the ultimate truth.

                But in this case, I have nothing to prove. You cannot change history - what happened was.
    3. NordUral 7 February 2020 18: 41 New
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      Boyan IvanovCan you refute at least something? I do not see false accusations in the article. At least once in a century, they have been on the side of Russia with more than one.
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        Quote: NordUral
        Boyan Ivanov, can you refute at least something? I do not see false accusations in the article. At least once in a century, they have been on the side of Russia with more than one.

        Disproves. And I can add. For example, the inhabitants of Plovdiv with a mountain stood up for our communications fighter, Alexei Skurlatov, immortalized in the image of Alyosha. The monument is truly national, the inhabitants themselves built it. Guarded around the clock when the authorities tried to dismantle it in the 90s. They reached the Supreme Court.
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          For example, the inhabitants of Plovdiv with a mountain stood up for our communications fighter, Alexei Skurlatov, immortalized in the image of Alyosha.

          The inhabitants of Plovdiv stood up, and the whole country stood in a NATO that is aimed against us
          1. Mordvin 3 7 February 2020 19: 52 New
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            The inhabitants of Plovdiv stood up, and the whole country stood in a NATO that is aimed against us

            Such is Ce la Vi. We did not offer them the best. And they wanted to see for free. Well, like the Montenegrin king Nicola the cunning one, who declared war on Germany in WWI, and he was sitting on a mountain, he was not going to go down, but he regularly received money from the allies. laughing So he would have sat out if the Serbs through Montenegro had not begun to retreat.
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              We did not offer them the best.

              Well yes. You won’t feed me, I’ll go to be friends with another and you’re not my brother
              1. Mordvin 3 7 February 2020 20: 32 New
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                Well yes. You won’t feed me, I’ll go to be friends with another and you’re not my brother

                Everyone wants to have strong allies. And the Warsaw Pact and CMEA, let's be honest, we buried ourselves. They began with the unification of Germany, ended with the collapse of the USSR and capitalism. However, the Americans are already starting to tighten the nuts, demanding loot for the protection of countries that are part of NATO. And the position of our professors from the HSE, who claim that NATU was created in response to the Warsaw Pact, is finishing off. Even Volfovich was indignant, promised to dismiss this “historian” from the HSE.
                In addition, we did not help Yugoslavia, although they requested the S-300. So they themselves are to blame to a fairly large extent. And we helped the Americans when they trampled into Afghanistan after the 11.11 attack. 01. Yes, and before that. Fires in Qatar extinguished the oil wells that Saddam set fire to. It’s also kind of on the Americans’s side.
                1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 20: 46 New
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                  And the Warsaw Pact and CMEA, let's be honest, we buried ourselves.

                  Yes, no one argues. When we were the USSR, they could pull all this, one RF cannot carry such a burden
                  .
                  . And the position of our professors from the HSE, who claim that NATU was created in response to the Warsaw Pact, is finishing off.

                  Yes, cover this sharashkin’s office and deal with the end
                  In addition, we did not help Yugoslavia, although they requested the S-300.

                  For this ebn one more aspen stake is necessary to stick
                  1. Mordvin 3 7 February 2020 20: 53 New
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                    Yes, cover this sharashkin’s office and deal with the end

                    Our new prime minister is just related to this office. Supervisor of the Institute of Real Estate Economics at the Higher School of Economics.
                2. icant007 8 February 2020 07: 44 New
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                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Everyone wants to have strong allies. And the Warsaw Pact and CMEA, let's be honest, we buried ourselves. They began with the unification of Germany, ended with the collapse of the USSR and capitalism.


                  Well, we have the CSTO since 1992. And since 2002 in the status of an international organization. It is clear that this is not an ATS, but nonetheless.
                  Who prevented Bulgaria from joining the CSTO?
                  1. Mordvin 3 8 February 2020 08: 28 New
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                    Well, we have the CSTO since 1992

                    Compare. Also me organization. Smoke on a laugh. Even Belarusians did not want to recognize Crimea, otherwise they would be cut off from the international banking system. They were directly told about this. Someone thinks that the Armenians with the Kyrgyz and Tajiks will be our best allies? Not funny. Has at least one CSTO country recognized Crimea? It seems not.
                    1. icant007 8 February 2020 08: 46 New
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                      I admitted that the organization is so-so. But even at the declarative level, none of the countries of the former socialist camp expressed a desire to join.
                    2. Mordvin 3 8 February 2020 09: 00 New
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                      But even at the declarative level, none of the countries of the former socialist camp expressed a desire to join.

                      I already wrote that we destroyed everything that we can with our own hands. Sorry, but in my opinion, we exhausted the credit of trust when we turned 180 degrees into capitalism from socialism. And yesterday’s enemies Yeltsin praised: "God bless America!" NATO turned out to be a more solid organization, there are fewer oblique views between its members than it was in the Warsaw Pact, such as the Czechoslovak Minister of Defense as a wolf looked at the Minister of East Germany. The Germans did not stand on ceremony when troops were brought into Czechoslovakia. However, I’m lying, the conflict between Turkey and the Greeks was not weak either.
        2. pytar 7 February 2020 20: 53 New
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          and the whole country stood in the NATO which is directed against us

          Soooo ... just the facts!
          1. In the 90s it was said that the Russian Federation could join NATO. How seriose these sweeping were I can not judge. Gorby, Yeltsin were going to build a "Europe from La Mancha to Kamchatka"! A popular slogan for the time! Another GDP - 2000:
          https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/142046
          Up to 2008, the Russian Federation very actively participated in affiliate program alliances and cooperated with it in earnest!
          2. Bulgaria joined NATO in 2004. A period in which relations between Russia and NATO can be described as wonderful! Even in hot 2015, the GDP in direct text states:
          "... that the Russian Federation is not worried about Bulgaria’s membership in the North Atlantic Alliance, the Kremlin plans to continue to cooperate with Sofia." Putin noted that joining NATO was the sovereign choice of the population of Bulgaria. Moscow treats this decision with respect.
          Here Putin is a little mistaken! Bulgaria joined NATO without a referendum, since 80-82% of the population was opposed by opinion polls. I myself went to rallies. Now, from the perspective of time, I understand that at that time we had no other choice. Or the Kosovo script or NATO. A pro-Western Russia, even a finger would not move in our defense.
          1. Mordvin 3 7 February 2020 21: 38 New
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            Quote: pytar
            . In the 90s it was rumored that the Russian Federation could join NATO.

            NATO headquarters in the 90s received a quote from the Kremlin from Yeltsin, where it was written, "Russia raises the issue of NATO membership. Then they said that the typist who missed a piece of" NOT "was mistaken. That is, she does not pose the question. So think about who there was a mistake, and who is not ... recourse Yeltsin was drunk and could not dictate.
            1. pytar 7 February 2020 22: 49 New
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              NATO headquarters in the 90s received a qidul from the Kremlin from Yeltsin ...

              Misty business. Hardly ever find out the truth. There is another interesting thing! In the Russian Federation it is often said now that the West had deceived Gorbachev by promising that NATO would not expand to the East! And when you ask, how so, Gorbachev believed in a bare word and did not require any written obligations, they answer - he is supposedly unreasonable / traitor, etc.! Maybe Gorbachev did not shine with intelligence, but to be so elementary, I do not believe ... Tales are all this!
              Most likely, Gorbachev intended to later join Russia to NATO, because his policy was aimed at reorienting to the West! But what he hoped to get the status of "equal partner and ally" was really naive. On the other hand, he had a bad reason! After all, the Russian Empire, all the time before the October Revolution, was an ally of one or other blocs of Western countries. If we go back even earlier, after the Napoleonic wars of the Republic of Ingushetia for a century there was a trainee of monarchist Europe. Such a "monarcho-European policeman"!
          2. iouris 9 February 2020 12: 22 New
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            The Russians have one song, I remember in it such words: "Something with my memory has become ..." Exactly.
      2. NordUral 8 February 2020 10: 48 New
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        I say the people of Bulgaria are hanging.
    4. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 19: 37 New
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      At least once in a century, they have been on the side of Russia with more than one.

      The XNUMXst century has begun and they are again against us
    5. pytar 7 February 2020 20: 27 New
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      I tried line by line. Very extensive commentary made. See above.
  • Fedor egoist 7 February 2020 13: 21 New
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    And they say Bulgaria at one time asked to join the USSR ... We had to take it.

    ... And in the end they would have got another former republic, screaming about "Russian aggression" and continuing to beg for the usual handouts. No, thanks.
    Had a childhood in Bulgaria to live (in the mid 90s). I understood what it feels like to be a second-rate person. I will not say for all the "little brothers," but I often heard the analogue of our phrase "come here", in various forms, and not just for the eyes.
    When Russophobia is a state of mind in a part of the Bulgarian nation, and pathological limitation and constant search for a sponsor is a part of state policy, nothing should be surprised.
    Not permanent hostility and cowardly defection in all European wars.
    Not a black ingratitude for liberation from the Turkish yoke, which has almost grown into genocide.
    Not to take for granted the efforts of the USSR to create from scratch the industry and infrastructure of Bulgaria. And now these same factories in three shifts shipped and ship weapons and ammunition to the Ishilovites and other broads.
    What are we talking about, if the authorities allow "artistic actions" like this:

    "Keeping up with the times," you see. The inscription below. Well, yes, Captain America saved Europe from Hitler, we watched films, we know. People walk, take pictures. And what, done with skill, it is clear that the artists were in no hurry, the police did not interfere. And the consequences of the action are not in a hurry to launder.
    The road with a tablecloth is to the same place as the Baltic states. But not at our expense.
    PS Once again, reading the article of Kharaluzhny, I have the feeling that Y. Vyatkin writes, but under a different pseudonym. It painfully looks like)) Let the author correct, if it is not)
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    2. Loess 7 February 2020 14: 29 New
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      ..And in the end would have received another former republic,

      Are you so sure that “another former republic” would have appeared? The entry of Bulgaria into the Union would completely change the internal political alignment in the USSR and greatly change the geopolitical alignment. And it is far from a fact that under such changes Gorbachev would come to power. So I would not rule out the possibility that there would be no "former republics" at all. And there was a single and powerful USSR.
      1. Fedor egoist 7 February 2020 14: 41 New
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        And it is far from a fact that under such changes Gorbachev would come to power.

        The coming to power of such as Gorbachev (and those behind him) was expected and even irreversible from a certain moment. The fact that Bulgaria or any other Eastern European country was a part of the USSR would not fundamentally change anything. In fact, the semi-independent satellites of the USSR already received much more than they gave, taking advantage of the advantages of the socialist system in general and the kindness of the Soviet state in particular.
        The USSR collapsed for several reasons. But first and foremost, due to the fact that the late Soviet elite had certain privileges, connections and, whatever one may say, condition. And she was desperately looking for a way to preserve and pass on all this by inheritance. And the political system excluded such tricks. Everything else is a matter of time. Is fecit, cui prodest. Do those who benefit.
        My opinion, I do not pretend to be true.
        1. Loess 7 February 2020 14: 46 New
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          The coming to power of such as Gorbachev (and those behind him) was expected and even irreversible from a certain moment.

          Some kind of pessimistic statement. In your opinion, it turns out that the collapse of the Union was inevitable ... I, of course, understand that history does not know the subjunctive mood, but no one has canceled the role of the individual in history.
          1. Fedor egoist 7 February 2020 15: 02 New
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            In your opinion, it turns out that the collapse of the Union was inevitable ...

            Not certainly in that way. Although the change of government and the collapse of the USSR took place simultaneously, one thing does not entail the other by default.
            I believe that a change of order in order to return private property was indeed inevitable, but the collapse of the USSR could have been prevented. However, external pressure, coupled with the "seams" laid down during the formation of the USSR, gave a sad result. Torn where thin. Although, looking at the torchlight processions of Ukrainians and the Baltic states, at the feudal order in Central Asia, the collapse of the USSR is no longer perceived as an absolute evil, but rather as shaking off unnecessary "husks" ... it is a pity that they shook off the excess, now it is necessary to return.
            I am glad that the era of dependent states is a thing of the past. Now, if the unification (with the same Belarus) will take place, then without any "fraternal republics", only as a series of regions.
            1. Loess 7 February 2020 15: 47 New
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              However, external pressure, coupled with the "seams" laid down during the formation of the USSR

              Exactly external pressure had every chance to weaken in traditional directions and shift to the south of Europe. Moreover, the Union would have an excellent opportunity to increase pressure on Turkey and Greece itself. And make Yugoslavia more loyal.
              Quote: Fedor Egoist
              I believe that a change of order in order to return private property was indeed inevitable, but the collapse of the USSR could have been prevented.

              Interesting opinion. I did not think about the possibility of a change of order.
        2. NordUral 7 February 2020 18: 44 New
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          late soviet elite
          for me it’s not quite right, it will be more accurate post-Stalin "elite".
  • Lipchanin 7 February 2020 15: 15 New
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    It was necessary to take.

    1. There is no common border.
    2. Voice at the UN
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      1. There is no common border.

      Black Sea. Dry land - through Romania.
      Quote: Lipchanin
      2. Voice at the UN

      Yes. I heard about it. I can’t understand. In my opinion, there are more benefits. Propaganda alone has just how many opportunities to “unfold” in the international arena. Apart from direct access to the borders of Greece and Yugoslavia.
      1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 16: 48 New
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        Dry land - through Romania.

        Perfectly.
        The republic is part of the USSR, and you need to get to it through another country.
        Do not tell me what kind of duty Romania would have to pay for the transport of goods through its territory?
        Yes, and relations with Romania have always been strained
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        Apart from direct access to the borders of Greece and Yugoslavia.

        Well, why did we need a direct exit there?
        Moreover, Bulgaria was like a fraternal country, a member of the Warsaw Pact, and we always could easily reach these borders
        1. Loess 7 February 2020 18: 04 New
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          Perfectly.
          The republic is part of the USSR, and you need to get to it through another country.

          How do we get to Kaliningrad now?
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          Yes, and relations with Romania have always been strained

          Quote: Lipchanin
          Moreover, Bulgaria was like a fraternal country

          Romania was not a "brotherly" country?
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          we always could easily reach these borders

          Through the "fraternal" Belarus, we are now a lot to whose borders can go "without problems"?
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            How do we get to Kaliningrad now?

            What does it have to do with it now? We kind of talk about the times when Bulgaria asked us, i.e., during the times of the USSR
            Romania was not a "brotherly" country?

            No. A very strained relationship was
            Through the "fraternal" Belarus, we are now a lot to whose borders can go "without problems"?

            I talked about the time of the USSR, about the time when the Bulgarians requested in the USSR
            What do you like in a time machine, take one fact in one time and transfer it to another.
            Then there were no borders between the republics
            1. Loess 7 February 2020 19: 58 New
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              What does it have to do with it now?

              Who cares? If logistics issues are resolved in the current geopolitical situation, then in those days the solution of such issues would be even less problematic.
              Quote: Lipchanin
              What do you like in a time machine, take one fact in one time and transfer it to another.

              Does the concept of "analogy" mean nothing to you?
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                Who cares? If logistics issues are resolved in the current geopolitical situation, then in those days the solution of such issues would be even less problematic.

                Big one. Previously, Kaliningrad traveled freely without any logistics, without any borders.
                Now we need to cross the border of another state.
                Why did we need logistics to transport something?
                We freely moved everything
                Does the concept of "analogy" mean nothing to you?

                Well, why are weaving everything?
                Well then did not want such a troubles 16 republic without a common border. We didn’t need it
                What does the analogy and logistics have to do with it.
                Now it so happened that I HAVE to travel to Kaliningrad through another country.
                Like through Belarus
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                  Well, why are weaving everything?

                  Weave wreaths, and I answer questions
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  There is no common border.

                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  The republic is part of the USSR, and you need to get to it through another country.
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      1. There is no common border.

      As with Kaliningrad, or Crimea.
      Quote: Lipchanin
      2. Voice at the UN

      Both the BSSR and the Ukrainian SSR had a voice in the UN. And no one (voice) took away like.
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        As with Kaliningrad, or Crimea.

        In Soviet times there were no borders for travel to Crimea and Kaliningrad.
        There was one country
        Both the BSSR and the Ukrainian SSR had a voice in the UN. And no one (voice) took away like.

        Excess voice does not hurt
        If they had joined the USSR, their voice would have disappeared. Since the USSR had a limited number of votes
  • NordUral 7 February 2020 18: 37 New
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      It was necessary to give the Greeks.

      The Greeks have their own troubles with the Turks. One Famagusta (dead city) is worth it.
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    Do not confuse Todor Zhivkov and the Bulgarian Communists with the people!
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    Opinion Gen. Leonida Reshentikova - former Director of RISI (Russian Institute for Strategic Studies to the President of the Russian Federation), expressed in the distant 2014:
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    Bulgarian gratitude to Russia: we remember here, we do not remember here. But it is beneficial for them to supply weapons to Syria and Ukraine
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    No one has eternal enemies or eternal friends; there are only eternal interests. And it’s time for us to learn how to understand and uphold them. And don't waste your life and money the devil knows who
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    As in the song: “but how did the anesthesia end, I felt bitter to tears - for whom I risked my life,” and not only did it. But the anesthesia is still not all over.
  • Operator 7 February 2020 12: 43 New
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    What kind of gratitude could Bulgaria be alluded to when, in the very first European war, it sided with the opponents of Russia, including even the Ottoman Empire, which had genocidal the Bulgarians for 500 years.

    In 1914 there were no communists yet, the political system, religion, culture and language coincided in our two countries, and the Bulgarians joyfully did not spit on the graves of Russian soldiers in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-78 for the liberation of Bulgaria from the Ottoman yoke.
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    However, on his trips he noticed that the Bulgarians very much respect the brother of Yuri Gagarin. In Burgas, a bust.

    And in Varna in the Seaside Park.
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      Quote: xomaNN
      However, on his trips he noticed that the Bulgarians very much respect the brother of Yuri Gagarin. In Burgas, a bust.

      Okay so. Monuments are being watched, living observ
  • novel66 7 February 2020 12: 48 New
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    multi-vector interferes? ..
    ?, it seems to me, it's called differently ...
  • GKS 2111 7 February 2020 12: 56 New
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    Over the centuries, a lot of Russian blood has been shed on the land there. Nevertheless, Sofia has always and invariably, for centuries, been a member of all anti-Russian military alliances and blocs, no matter how many are created.
    The modern Bulgarian political elite is a bunch of scoundrels. It was Bulgaria that provided the NATO air corridor for the bombing of Serbia. Bulgaria also insisted that the NATO military base, aimed against Russia, be conveniently located on its territory, they forgot hundreds of thousands of dead Russian soldiers, thanks to whom Bulgaria lives, breathes, exists. In Bulgaria, it has long been fashionable to blame Russia for all sins. Bulgarians are Russophiles when they sit at a rich Russian table with caviar and vodka. But if Russia weakens, the first person to stick a knife in her back will be Bulgaria. Both world wars have clearly shown this. Can I just call the Bulgarians brothers? For me, only Serbs and Belarusians are brothers.
    "... According to my inner conviction, the most complete and insurmountable - Russia will never have, and never have had, such haters, envious people, slanderers, and even obvious enemies, like all these Slavic tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them. Maybe , for a century, or even more, they will constantly tremble for their freedom and fear the power of Russia; they will curry favor with European states, they will slander Russia, gossip against it and intrigue against it "
    Dostoevsky F.M. 1877. I was not mistaken, unfortunately ...
  • rocket757 7 February 2020 12: 57 New
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    Yes, all the former, or rather the elites, the polytyptic of the former are infected with one virus, geyropeytstvo or America .... nothing new. It’s just that it’s necessary to take this into account, but peoples, bros .... so they chose this polypticum, you won’t get away with it. now yourself, yourself ....
    1. NordUral 7 February 2020 18: 50 New
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      Right Victor! They don’t take it off, they’re doing their own thing.
      1. rocket757 7 February 2020 19: 20 New
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        We also have something to look back at .....
        we will not look back, it is necessary to correct.
        1. NordUral 7 February 2020 19: 22 New
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          He wanted to write about us in the late 80s and in '91, but he was shy, although everything is true - and we helped to kill the Union, each in different ways, Victor.
          1. rocket757 7 February 2020 19: 40 New
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            Although we were not all initiators, we did not save ....
            And now, everything is different for everyone. Rather, for most equally sucks, BUT.
            Anyway, now we need to move forward, because nothing has yet ended while we exist.
            1. NordUral 8 February 2020 10: 51 New
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              Yes, Victor, the Soviet and the end of Russia will go to another world. time is running out, nothing at all.
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                An idea can recede into the background when its followers leave, BUT, if it is sensible, it will again surface and its adherents will find new ones.
                That has always been, always will be.
                1. NordUral 8 February 2020 16: 33 New
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                  Maybe Victor, or maybe not. New slavery, implicated in fascism, is much worse than the past.
                  1. rocket757 8 February 2020 19: 14 New
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                    To assume that a person is becoming smarter and even smarter, naive. An old rake is found and trampled on them, with enviable constancy.
                    Such is man and no theories could correct him in the least.
                    1. NordUral 8 February 2020 19: 22 New
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                      I agree with this, we are not getting smarter, but we are degrading.
                      1. rocket757 8 February 2020 19: 32 New
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                        Labor made a man out of a monkey ... so to speak.
                        Excessive automation, it is progressive, facilitates everything and everything, but it can play a cruel joke with a person!
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                        And for me, Victor, the point is not so much in automation, but in the fact that the upper ones will have absolute control over the whole world if their plans for a full figure grow together.
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                        Eugene soldier, all "thought-out" plans for a person, a group of people, a large community of people tend to fail either immediately or a little later ..... break off this time. Moreover, THESE do not shine very well with the mind. The arrogant, overbearing demagogues ... p-fe.
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                        “Ours” is like that, Victor, but in the West I don’t think so. They have not lost everything from what was accumulated by their ancestors. Do not assume that they are simpletons. But they are now steering in Russia with the hands of some, I will not point with a finger, and I don’t have so many fingers.
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                        Ha, the answer is my deleted. It seems that he got into too much philosophical jungle too .... he bumped there. it happens.
  • alatanas 7 February 2020 12: 59 New
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    EU countries with cheaper Russian gas (delivery price to the state border):
    Latvia, Lithuania, Germany, Greece, Romania, Italy and Hungary.
    EU countries with more expensive gas (Russian) than in Bulgaria:
    Slovakia, Czech Republic, Slovenia and Estonia.
    What kind of dumping?
  • knn54 7 February 2020 13: 10 New
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    The Bulgarians did not listen to Russia and received the Second Balkan War, already against everyone. Serbs, Turks, Romanians "robbed" Bulgaria. The blame was .... Russia, which (in their opinion) should have intervened.
    Only the old men remembered about the Russian liberators. Surrounded by Tsar Ferdinand there were entirely Russophobes.
    "If there are no friends on the Neva, then we will seek them on the Danube."
    Brothers ended in 1913.
    But then Serbia appeared, truly the ONLY friend in the Balkans.
  • BAI
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    We have a pronounced model of a state with low political responsibility.
  • alatanas 7 February 2020 13: 16 New
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    About PMV. Just Zayonchevsky very casually mentions the actions of the Russian imperial army in Dobrudja (under his command). Why would that be?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Kolev_(general)
    gene. Kolev (word to the soldiers before the battle):
    “Cavalieri, God be my witness, for he is grateful to Russia, not hurt or free. But how do they shake Sega Cossack in Nashat Dobrudja? Then we will kill the enemy and somehow drive away the enemy for unification in Bulgaria! ”
    Translation:
    Cavalrymen, God bears witness to me that I am grateful to Russia for our liberation. But what are the Cossacks now looking for in our Dobrudja? We will beat them and drive them away as every enemy hindering the unification of Bulgaria!
  • Zaurbek 7 February 2020 13: 17 New
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    Bulgaria at all times except the USSR was for the enemies of the Russian Empire .... and now also. Moreover, unlike the Poles and the Baltic states, why this is so, I do not know. Enlighten the Slavs.
    1. Stoyan 7 February 2020 13: 52 New
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      The position of Bulgaria during the world wars is determined by the anti-Bulgarian position of Russia during the Inter-Allied War, 1913. Russia supports the enemies of Bulgaria - Greece and Serbia, which entered into a secret alliance at the end of the war, fearing that Bulgaria would become too large and dominant in the Balkans and certainly to rob Bulgaria, while the Bulgarian armies fought all their forces against the Ottoman Empire in the south. Because of this, Bulgaria is losing its Bulgarian Macedonia, access to the Aegean Sea, Thrace, Dobrudja and other territories with a predominantly Bulgarian population. The position in the First World War, only a year later, was a Bulgarian revenge due to the loss in the Inter-Alliance, and the position in the Second World War was a German-Bulgarian revenge due to the Neuilly and Versailles treaties. I do not see anything surprising here.
    2. pytar 7 February 2020 16: 02 New
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      Bulgaria at all times except the USSR was for the enemies of the Russian Empire .... and now also. Moreover, unlike the Poles and the Baltic states, why this is so, I do not know. Enlighten the Slavs.

      Read, everything is described here. Further events to WWII, are a consequence of the period described in Staty. hi One clarification: Eastern Rumelia, this is east. Thrace is a region near Plovdiv all the way to Burgas.
      https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2017/10/20/738689-bratushki-bratoubiitsami
    3. Senior seaman 7 February 2020 19: 55 New
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      I don’t know what "all the times" you are talking about.
      Until 1878, there was no independent policy of the Bulgarians and could not be (although one can recall the sabotage arranged by the locals by the Anglo-French expeditionary force during the Crimean War).
      Yes, Prince Battenberg did everything to break our relationship. But tell me, how did this person become the head of Bulgaria?
      He was seated on the throne by a relative - Emperor Alexander II. Damn, he has half of the monarchies in Europe - relatives, and he chose this ...
      And by the way, right after the won (!!!) war with the Serbs, the Bulgarians overthrew this utter. There would have been a bit of a fuss, but no ... Peacemaker was offended.
      By the way, in Serbia then the pro-Austrian dynasty of Obrenović, who can not be called friends, was even drunk.
      Yes, the Bulgarians got into the WWII foolishly when the defeat of the central powers was a matter of time, but there was nowhere to come from the sane elite in this country. It has been nurtured for centuries. (I don’t want to talk about the alleged "pro-Turkish" one, it’s an utter nonsense.) But .. there was such a person - General Radko Dmitriev. Bulgarian military. He refused citizenship and fought for Russia. Do you know how they thanked him? Google it.
      In WWII, everything is simple. Hitler crushed the whole of Europe for himself, and the Bulgarians really had no choice. But a more or less sane elite has already appeared, and they have evaded from direct participation. And I still do not understand how. The Nazis instantly placed their other satellites for such fortunes in the pose of a drinking deer.
      Then the man Shipku remembered. They say our froze there. Tell me, is it also the fact that our commissants again failed to supply the army (including winter uniforms), are the Bulgarians also to blame? Or is it the Bulgarians gave contracts for the supply of food company "Greger, Gorvits, Kogan and Pashov"?

      Listen, I haven’t said a good word in my life about the Bulgarian government, but let's be at least a little objective.
  • alekc75 7 February 2020 13: 20 New
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    It's time for the Bulgarians to shut off all the taps!
  • Alexander Sosnitsky 7 February 2020 13: 27 New
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    When we were about Shipka about 15 years ago, Bulgarian guides openly talked about the losses of the Russian army and the attitude of the Bulgarians towards them. The first question was why you came to release us when you have serfdom and we can trade with the Turks throughout Europe. Our second shock was Russian soldiers frozen to death on Shipka without food and warm clothes, which the little brothers could not help. The guards left to guard the Turks on the pass in one direction - only there, and froze - this is a Russian soldier. The following year, Russian troops stood in front of Istanbul and had only to enter, but the Britons and Franks persuaded them not to do this, after which Russia received the Crimean War. That is the truth. According to the local associate professor-historian and the leader of the peasant party of the Gabrovsky Polytechnic University, the Bulgarians are really 20% Russians from the north (I think because of the wine that is ready for half a year instead of many years of mead), another 20% are Turks, the rest are indigenous Thracians, our distant ancestors. The homeland of the Slavs between the three seas - the Black, Baltic and Mediterranean. The Etruscans alone, the founders of Rome, are worth a lot.
    1. Guazdilla 7 February 2020 14: 11 New
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      Are you confusing anything? Shipka's defense was in July 1877. After the Russian troops entered Adreanopol, but before Istanbul it will still be decent, especially since it is on the two banks of the Bosphorus.
      Well, the Crimean War, exactly 20 years before that took place.
      1. Alexey RA 7 February 2020 15: 21 New
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        Are you confusing anything? Shipka's defense was in July 1877.

        This is the beginning of the defense - the capture of passes and the reflection of the Turkish counterattack. After these battles, the front on Shipka arose until the end of 1877. And then, as always unexpectedly, autumn cold came.
        The commanders began to order warm clothes for the soldiers, but on September 26 the first cases of frostbite appeared. In October, a peak in the incidence rate for the entire campaign was reached in the Minsk regiment — 515 cases, that is, almost one in six was ill in the regiment. Finally, in November, real frosts set in the mountains. By that time, the tormented Oryol regiment was replaced by units of the 24th Infantry Division of Adjutant General K.I. Gershelman, but on December 19 this division had to be withdrawn from Shipka, since it had frozen all over. Although frostbite was rarely fatal, they led to severe injuries. Gershelman non-combat losses accounted for more than 50% of the division’s full-time staff. By the second half of December, the frost in the mountains reached such a force that the shoes were broken off in pieces, and the oil was frozen in rifles.

        And in December there was still the Shipko-Shein operation:
        On November 28, Plevna fell, and, according to all the canons of military affairs, the campaign of 1877 was supposed to end there. The decision to boost the snowy Balkan mountains in winter came as a surprise even to many military leaders of the Russian army. Major General M. D. Skobelev was one of the few who showed confidence in success. In the Shipka area, the crossing was to take place in three columns along neighboring passes, the left of which was led by Skobelev himself, the central one by F.F. Radetsky, and the right one by Prince N.I. Svyatopolk-Mirsky. Having descended from the passes, the columns had to simultaneously hit the Turks from three sides. The calculation of the Russian command consisted, first of all, in the surprise of the strike. A single blow was scheduled for December 27, and its goal was the fortified Sheinovo camp, where the Turks wintered, unaware of the intentions of the Russians.

        The result of fights on Shipka:
        In the August battles, Russians and Bulgarians lost 3640 people, the losses in the final Shipko-Shein battle amounted to about 5000 people, and between these battles the losses amounted to about 10 people.

        Cit. on "Shipka is calm" with warspot.
      2. Alexander Sosnitsky 7 February 2020 16: 51 New
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        I agree, a little about that. But little changes from the rearrangement of these terms. Immediately after Shipka, a year later and after another 9 years, the German rulers of supposedly independent Bulgaria were raised, who reduced its area several times. Sofia used to be in the center of Bulgaria, and now on its border without access to the Mediterranean Sea. And now it does not play any role whatsoever, the most backward country of European Union orientation. Russia made her great, and they themselves were blown away by a three-ruble note. But it’s a pity, a beautiful country, beautiful, folk, tasty, etc. Simple Bulgarians know this well and regret it.
  • Guazdilla 7 February 2020 13: 30 New
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    No, Bulgarians, this is nothing. They are like a wounded animal, buried in a hole and wounds lick caused by European integrators. Threw them to them, consider the collapsed Soviet Union. Russian pensioners there are granted a residence permit for the acquired property, and not to all who come across with Syrian documents.
    Think better about what is wrong with your home when your own population decline has not been covered by four hundred thousand migrants. And after the adoption of a new, progressive law on citizenship, the little brothers really will decrease.
  • Amateur 7 February 2020 13: 35 New
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    It was in the 90 years. deal with these Bulgarians. One, "with reduced social responsibility" after the adopted "tea cans" bluntly stated: "If you Russians did not meddle in our affairs, then we, the Bulgarians, would have lived in Europe for a long time."
    After such statements, they were naturally no longer poured and treated with nothing. They had to live on their business trips. For what they are strongly offended.
  • Vladimir Mashkov 7 February 2020 13: 35 New
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    No wonder. The same story as with Ukraine and Belarus. The peoples also remember FOR fraternal friendship and relations with Russia, and cunning politicians and authorities want to receive "goodies" from both Russia and the West. But they fulfill their desires and are dependent on the West. First of all - from the State Department, before which (in the colorful expression of Lukashenko) they are "faced with cancer." No, not before Russia, but before the State Department !!! yes
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      tired of it. They remember. It’s just not recommended to substitute the back, since Soviet times.
  • prior 7 February 2020 13: 36 New
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    There is nothing more permanent in this world than temporary.
    Well, did any of the Russians really not know who these "brothers" were? Why now reproach ...
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    So what? The culprit of this merry-go-round is not only Bulgarian ingratitude and, I am not afraid of this word, meanness, but Russian patience and generosity. What is worn with them like fools with a written sack? Brothers, I mean, bros. For me, the Poles are a hundred times better. In any case, more honest and consistent.
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    “Bulgarian gratitude to Russia: we remember here, we don’t remember here” ... I don’t like this headline - he smacks of it. There is no need to confuse the leading rulers (who rarely care about the welfare of these same people) and the PEOPLE, for these are, well, ABSOLUTELY different EGREGORS.
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    I do not understand at all people who demand respect or admiration for themselves for the merits of their ancestors. Bulgaria and the Bulgarians remember and honor those Russians who helped them then. Why do modern Russians demand the same feelings for their actions that they did not do? Just on the grounds that they are your ancestors?
    Are you in modern Mongolia and the Mongols fear or hate? No? But their ancestors did a lot to deserve them.
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      Quote: arlekin
      Are you in modern Mongolia and the Mongols fear or hate? No? But their ancestors did a lot to deserve them.

      The Mongols helped us a lot in the Great War. Horses, short fur coats, food, money ...
  • Horon 7 February 2020 14: 49 New
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    "Horses, people, mingled in a heap, And volleys of thousands of guns" (C)
    There are economic disagreements, but no, it is necessary here to confront politics and history, and even in this form, and create this foul smelling ... negative
  • Avior 7 February 2020 14: 55 New
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    . the persecution of Jews in the country - all this was

    With this past
    Attempted prosecution blocked by Bulgarian people
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      Attempted prosecution blocked by Bulgarian people

      Not certainly in that way. The Jews were gathered and shoved along the wagons when Metropolitan Stefan (Shokov) threatened Tsar Boris with an anathema.
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        And the Metropolitan, too
        But it was a total pressure
        And the problem was not so much in Boris as in Belev
  • Alex Nevs 7 February 2020 15: 38 New
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    Whoever heads (buys) the government which thread of the country is in control of it (dances it).
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    How long will we consider them as little brothers?
  • mr.ZinGer 7 February 2020 16: 26 New
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    The strange message of the article, what gratitude, there are only political and economic interests. Give me at least one example of a foreign policy built on gratitude.
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    It seems foolish to expect gratitude from them. They are no longer "bros", and indeed whether they were these "bros". There are doubts.
    How is it there? This is for you, this is for me, this is for me, this is for you. Let's see, I did not deprive myself? yes
    You need to push your interests without looking back at the "little brothers."
  • samarin1969 7 February 2020 17: 10 New
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    The author mixes Russia and TNK Gazprom. Bulgarians are no better and no worse than neighboring nations. Their elite is at odds with “ours” (ours is not). There is no point in raising historical disputes over the interests of shareholders.
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      There is no point in raising historical disputes over the interests of shareholders.

      Shareholders pay, journalists compose. bully
  • Brancodd 7 February 2020 17: 24 New
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    The general economic and civilizational consequences of distancing from Russia and entering the fourth Reich (after the British exit, the European Union can carry this name without a stretch). In 1989, the GDP of Bulgaria was equal to the GDP of Turkey. Now 15 times less than Turkish. The country has lost 25% of the population, mostly young people. Entire high-tech industries have disappeared, for example, microelectronics and electrical engineering. The country has completely lost the ability to make independent decisions on key issues. Even at extremely advantageous for the Bulgarian economy. For example, Bulgaria, after shouting from Berlin, refused the South Stream (for some reason, we mistakenly believe that US Congressmen pressed, but the main squeeze is gemania). This project would give Bulgaria about 1 mrd. EUR per year and several thousand jobs. The same situation is Belene NPP. What in return? Handouts from the Reich. At the moment, it is one of the poorest countries in the Reich. Below is only Moldova and Ukraine
    But I would like to note that it’s not worthwhile putting all in one bag. I'm about Serbia. This is still a separate phenomenon. Always been with us. On June 22, 1941, an uprising was raised against the occupying forces. And until May 1945 they fought to death. Shackled over 20 divisions of the "European Union" with their heroic struggle. 500 Serbs were tortured to death by “EU fans” in the Jasenovac camp. But unlike Auschwitz, this is not remembered. In 000 -1992 1 the European Union again reminded them of its existence.

    In 2014, Serbian volunteers defended Lysychansk (a city in the Luhansk region). And there are still many Serbian volunteers in the two corps of the people's republics.

    Frankly, a relationship with Belarus or Bulgaria is love for money or just good neighborly relations at best. The relationship with Serbia is all different, that is, through centuries. And I hope it will be so.
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      .. only Serbia is a candidate country in the EU since 2009, not the Eurasian Union! You wonder why?
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        This week, the Bundestag announced that Serbia should not cooperate with Russia if it wants to maintain its place on the path of European integration. Guenther Krihbaum, Chairman of the Bundestag Committee on European Affairs, said that Serbia as "a candidate for EU membership cannot consider Russia as a full and equal partner." This is not the first such statement, but it seems to have overfilled the cup of patience. Serbian President Vučić replied that he was fed up with European teachings and that Serbia itself chooses friends without regard to the European Union
        Serbian Minister of Defense Vulin gave an even tougher assessment. According to him, Serbia does not feel the negative influence of Russia and this country is not blackmailing that it will take away part of the Serbian territory, prohibit the use of technology or refuse investment
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          A great way and method to maximize your price before the EU before joining. Such statements do not in any way prevent them from spending hundreds of millions of euros provided to them by the EU in the form of funds from front-end funds.
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            Well, you don’t have to judge by yourself. Yesterday Serbia Armored deployed. But you rely on handouts of the Reich after 2021 will be problematic. After the exit of Britain and the stagnation of the German economy with extra money for feeding "choose freedom" there are problems.
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      We have a copy of the documents on the proposals of Sobolev-Stalin from the end of autumn 1940. In our country, this is called the "Sobolev action." It clearly states that "if Bulgaria accepts the conditions of the USSR, then the USSR will support the accession of Bulgaria to the Axis, and it is likely to become the next member of the same union."
  • dgonni 7 February 2020 18: 19 New
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    The whole article can fit in one sentence. The Bulgarians want a revision of gas prices by euronorms.
  • iouris 7 February 2020 19: 14 New
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    Bulgaria owes nothing to the Russian Federation. She owes to those who died fighting for her. And the Russian Federation does not owe Bulgaria anything.
  • 16112014nk 7 February 2020 19: 19 New
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    Bulgarian gratitude ...
    Leopard change his spots. In another way.
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      The problem is always inside, not outside.
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    Sofia has always and invariably, for centuries, been a member of all anti-Russian military alliances and blocs.


    How many centuries? I am waiting for clarification from the author. Do you actually follow what you write or what? Century ...?!? Stunned ...

    On the Romanian front, in 1916 they clashed violently with our units.


    No, your units were INVOLVED in Dobrudja. Not the Bulgarian army entered Russia, but the Russian army, including the 45 thousandth corps, entered Dobrudja, together with 60 thousand Romanian allies and were defeated utterly, and the Romanians completely lost their capital.

    The reason for reflection on this topic was the announcement that the state-owned gas supply company Bulgaria “Bulgargaz”, it turns out, is preparing an appeal to the European Commission, in which it intends to demand the resumption of the “antitrust investigation” against the Russian “Gazprom”.


    And here is where the dog is buried. Bulgargaz filed a petition against Gazprom because of its unwillingness to reach a trial in a contract for gas transit through the Balkan gas pipeline, where there is a contract until 2030 - transit or pay. All. This is a trade dispute. And the author did not drag in only Genghis Khan to justify his resentment from the bad Bulgargaz.

    Yes, I would write an economic article, with a serious analysis, if we don’t drag in the First World War. Recall the “centuries” of Sofia’s participation in anti-Russian blocs - laughter and disgrace for journalism. This is easier and cheers accepted by the public. Soloviev is resting.
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    As President Putin says, the relationship between Gazprom and Bulgargaz is a relationship between business entities, and you have to "separate flies from cutlets!" At SPEF in 2019, President Putin agreed with Bulgarian President Radev that gas prices for Bulgaria should be flexibly set in accordance with spot prices for European gas hubs. For seven years, the EC has been prosecuting Gazprom, working with former socialist countries at inflated prices, leaving its monopoly in these countries. Of the eight countries, Gazprom cut the price for seven of them, and Bulgaria continued to sell at inflated prices to the present For this reason only, “Bulgargaz” again appeals to the EC to resume the procedure, proceeding from the tov that the Bulgarian people are the most insolvent population in the EU.
    On the issue of historical ties and participation in world wars. The first Bulgarian prince after the Russo-Turkish war of 1877/78 was the Austrian aristocrat Batemberg, a relative of the Russian emperor, but after he took the pro-Bulgarian side during the reunification of the Principality of Bulgaria with Eastern Rumelia Alexander The third turned away from the Bulgarians, saying that “the whole Bulgarian people are not worth one Russian soldier.” With the consent of the Russian imperial court, an Austrian ruined nobleman Ferdinand of Sakkoburgotsky was put in place of Batembert, who joined Bulgaria in WWI on the side of Germany. His son, who occupied the throne Tsar Boris the Third was forced to enter WWII on the side of Hitler, but did not send a single Bulgarian soldier to the Eastern Front, for which he was poisoned by Hitler and died in 1943.
    In 1989, on the Maxim Gorky parachute, near the island of Malta, Gorbachev told Bush Sr. that the Soviet Union would not mind if SASH took its important place in Europe, having in mind the current Warsaw Pact and the Economic Council mutual assistance socialist countries, i.e. the Soviet side handed over the Bulgarians to the Americans in violation of existing international treaties. When the Americans pressured us to join NATO, representatives of the Russian Embassy in Sofia told us that the Russian Federation and NATO are two friendly sides and there is nothing wrong with Bulgaria becoming a NATO member. In 1995/96, the private Gazprom at that time Vyakhirev and Chernomydrin, with the help of Ambassador Alexander Avdeev, twisted the Bulgarian government’s hands, wishing to get all the pipelines of the Republic of Belarus into their private property, as was done in Slovakia. Oil was delivered to the Bulgarian Neftekhim in Burgas through the Rosbulneft joint venture, and at the personal insistence of Chernomydrin at a meeting in Evsinograd with our Prime Minister, payment for the delivered oil should be made to special accounts in Lichteneschain, etc. etc.
    Much can be said about the relations between the two countries, but we must remember and know that over two hundred monuments on the Bulgarian land of the Russian wars, well preserved monument in the Soviet land in Sofia and the monument to the Soviet soldier "Alyosha, loudly speak about the real relations between our peoples. "in Plovdiv .. And we must remember the words of the great academician Dmitry Likhachov that the Bulgarian people gave all Slavs written language, culture, and faith!
  • Sapsan136 8 February 2020 13: 35 New
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    This once again suggests that it is time for Russia to stop doing charity work .. We don’t need to fight for the independence of others and feed foreign countries!
  • seacap 8 February 2020 13: 43 New
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    It was necessary to take.

    Moldovan et al. "Took" greatly helped?
  • seacap 8 February 2020 13: 51 New
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    Almost 500 years under the Ottomans are bearing fruit, for the Russians freed them from the yoke and created them a state, in gratitude they participated 2 times in 2 wars as part of the aggressor forces, and now, being in a hostile camp, they are pursuing an anti-Russian policy in the interests of the overseas the host, it seems, from the great "love and immense gratitude" to us.
  • About 2 8 February 2020 17: 58 New
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    Who is to blame for us that the Bulgarians are now writing slogans about gas? That's right! Our ardently "beloved" president! Instead of sending the Radov away, our government decided to step on the same heap from which it could not get a few years before that. our politicians do not have any honor whatsoever, and through this they omit the country.
  • Mikheich 8 February 2020 18: 09 New
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    Something we have "little brothers" are all wherever you look ....
  • raif 8 February 2020 21: 07 New
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    Bulgarian citizens, I’ll follow your own complaints, claims (although I absolutely disagree with them) and I will not recall the history of wars. but here’s how you broke off the construction of the South Stream, caved in under the West, and now you are still making claims on the Turkish Stream - this is absolutely unlimited impudence, in my opinion. and do not blame your government - "every nation has that government that has it." Well, or which you yourself have chosen.
    1. pytar 10 February 2020 13: 35 New
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      but here's how you broke off the construction of the South Stream, caved in under the West

      Citizen Raif, UP himself broke off. It was not calculated correctly. laughing
      and now you’re still composing claims on the Turkish Stream - in my opinion, it’s absolutely unlimited impudence

      but in my opinion, you are not in the subject. There are no complaints against TP, there are against Gazprom. On the basis of the duties taken to him which he does not observe. negative
      do not blame your government - "every nation has that government that has it." Well, or which you yourself have chosen.

      All countries have dissatisfied with the work of governments. We are changing our governments, if that ... You have it differently ... bully
      1. raif 13 February 2020 00: 42 New
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        Have you learned from the Jews the topic of conversation to change? I'm talking about your separation of TP and Gazprom. in the second paragraph I agree - it was incorrectly calculated - they did not calculate that you would bend under Washington for the average time, "bros". and yes - they appoint you a government in Washington, and at least we have our own, so envy silently tongue
        1. pytar 13 February 2020 10: 51 New
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          Have you learned from the Jews the topic of conversation to change?

          You first streamline your thoughts, expose them clearly, and then find fault with other volumes!
          I'm talking about your separation of TP and Gazprom. in the second paragraph I agree - it was incorrectly calculated - did not calculate that you will bend under Washington

          JUP - in every contract there are clauses about formal circumstances. Such came, and should have been expected, because the object is under the jurisdiction of the European Commission, and in the territory of the European Union! You demand compliance with your laws in your area!
          TP - this is a variant of the UP / highway that is 90% /, which already meets the requirements of the EC.
          The situation with Gazprom - Gazprom signed an agreement with the EC at the end of 2018 obliging a monopolist to reduce gas prices for Bulgaria from the month of August 2019 and sign a new agreement until the end of 2020. So let it comply with the agreements, what is the problem?
          they’re appointing a government in Washington, and at least they’re sitting with us, so envy silently

          We have so many parties, the opposition is strong, we are changing governments if they do not work as they should. And you have one mastodon irremovable EP. I often visit Russia, I have relatives there. I do not envy you, from the word at all. So, with fairy tales, please take a closer look ... laughing
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            you have both pro-government parties and the position - everyone is dancing to the tune of the West, and will continue - at least 100500 do them. and look at the maps - is there somewhere around 90% coincidence of the routes of gas pipelines? looked at the Internet now - your words are not confirmed
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              you have both pro-government parties and the position - everyone is dancing to the tune of the West, and will continue - at least 100500 do them.

              There are pro-European / Coat of arms /, there are pro-European / Attack /, there are also national-patriotic / VMRO /. By the way, the three children are in the ruling coalition in the moment. Despite some contradictions, they gathered and work in the interest of the country.
              and look at the maps - is there somewhere 90% coincidence of gas pipeline routes? looked at the Internet now - your words are not confirmed

              I'll tell you a secret laughing - I worked / work with the Bulgarian side on UP and BP. hi Of course, not 90%, it was a figurative expression, but from the Varna region, to the Serbian border, that 2/3 of the length of the route, UP and TP absolutely coincide. We did not even begin to make new land alienations, but only updating estimates. The rest of the ~ 140 km. from Varna to the border with Turkey is new.
  • Hazarov 9 February 2020 09: 27 New
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    The article is false and vile! Crowded with Russophobia and Slavophobia! And even through the vicious anti-Semitism! Reading such a misanthropic article makes you sick!
    Ugh! An abomination!
  • Kostadinov 10 February 2020 10: 54 New
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    In the old days, people of the old generation are bored. Remember youth! On the one hand, remember the then social acquisition, calm and confidence in tomorrow. On the other hand, there is a total deficit, widespread nepotism, the fear that he said the wrong thing will be reported about you, the absolute power and impunity of party bosses and the leader.

    The generation that lived under socialism and from personal experience can make a comparison; it overwhelmingly knows that socialism beat incomparably better.
    And all these tales of scarcity, fear and so on are propaganda with which the young people's heads are filled.
    Or as they say with us - a man who was born in the 90th anniversary explains how my poorly lived in the 70s.
    It’s especially funny when they start to say seriously that they beat some three Falits of the economy of the NRB under socialism and so on and so forth. We should now have such a standard of living and such a standard of living. The entry into the USSR in 1963 is also modern propaganda, while my people really lost all vestiges of sovereignty and entered the European Reich (27 republic).
    Party bonzis and leaders, for all their shortcomings, and as people and as patriots, beat better than today's politicians and oligarchs.
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      The generation that lived under socialism and from personal experience can make a comparison; it overwhelmingly knows that socialism beat incomparably better.

      A very bold statement! The very concept of "better-worse", subjective! Only one thing is clear: "real socialism" could not stand the competition! Ego, no way! Perhaps after a while a dream will appear, but it will be something else ...
      Or as they say with us - a man who was born in the 90th anniversary explains how my poorly lived in the 70s.
      It’s especially funny when they start to say seriously that they beat some three Falits of the economy of the NRB under socialism and so on and so forth.

      Damn, I lived half my life with Sots! Ready to return to these times, only if I become younger! laughing Under the Zhivkov’s socialism, even in Bulgaria itself, few people know about the Falits of socialism. Theme for article.
      We should now have such a standard of living and such a standard of living.

      USSR, CMEA died. One must learn to compete in market conditions. The reality is this. Crying for the past is like crying for the deceased. The psyche is unloaded, but the ego cannot be returned ... hi
      Party bonzis and leaders, for all their shortcomings, and as people and as patriots, beat better than today's politicians and oligarchs.

      Ribata se in peace from the head / Fish begins to rot from the head /.
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    they weren’t even eager in the EU - it’s all the vile and corrupt politicians who dragged them there. So swap these politicians, who gets in the way? You have a kind of democratic republic.
    The article is fair. Besides the author’s naive statement about the change of power by the will of the people, which I cited above.
    I served with them. By the behavior there really were brothers. They sang Russian combat songs, in every possible way showing their disposition to the Soviet.
    I am sure that for the most part the Bulgarians have a normal attitude towards us, but bad uncles have erupted upstairs. And the will of the people is nowhere and never, in any country, decisive. The will of the people is a card in the pack of opportunities for a breakthrough to power. Just a card and not a trump card.
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    Give me at least one example of a foreign policy built on gratitude.

    Put a plus. But I will give an example, SERBIA.
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  • AleBors 12 February 2020 17: 48 New
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    The history of some teaches nothing. It’s just the next time, and such one will surely happen, the little brothers should be sent to all known addresses, along with multi-vector.
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    Do not judge by words, but judge by deeds. But Bulgaria has no business. You will not be forcibly sweet. Therefore, only business and no more, but everyone decides their own affairs.