The death penalty: back - in the Middle Ages, or forward - to justice?


In connection with the desire declared by Vladimir Putin and supported by the Russian parliament to return the supremacy of domestic legislation over norms that are imposed from the outside through a cunning system of various “international legal documents” that contradict the interests of our country, voices are increasingly heard that it would be nice to use the moment to return and the death penalty. Does this make sense and need? Where will Russia take a step, restoring an exceptional measure of punishment: to cruelty and fear, or to restoring order in the state and returning to its life the principle of retribution of merit?


Fortunately, today there are no special reasons for a wide discussion in society on this issue. Usually it breaks out after committing cruel murders of children, committing terrorist acts and the like of crimes that law enforcement officers call resonant. Nevertheless, it would be better to solve such issues with a cold head, and not under the influence of emotions, when the next tragedy has already happened.

The topic of the death penalty is, firstly, enormous and extremely multifaceted, and secondly, it is completely overwhelmed and blabbed by amateurs and lovers of high-profile phrases. Therefore, I will be brief and simply outline the thoughts that come to mind, starting primarily from the arguments of the opponents of this type of punishment, or, rather, social protection, as, in my opinion, the death penalty was correctly called in many Soviet legal documents. Such reasons can be conditionally and generalized reduced to three main groups. The first is, of course, ethical, humanistic and similar moments in the performance of adherents of "universal values."

“The criminals are also people”, “human life is sacred”, “you didn’t give it, it’s not for you to take away”, “you cannot deprive anyone of a chance to repent and correct”, and so on. With those who profess such beliefs, I am ready to discuss only after they at least once visit the parents to identify the child who had been killed by “also a man”. In all other cases, the conversation will be pointless and useless. Regarding the “universal values”, I want to say that those who rape and kill children also have certain “values” that are important to them, which no normal person can have anything to do with. Point.

The second group of arguments is “utilitarian”. “Execution should not be allowed because of the likelihood of judicial errors,” “it in no way serves as a deterrent to criminals, but, on the contrary, almost provokes them to the utmost cruelty,” in addition to “hardening the whole society”. Academician Sakharov, who previously proposed to wash off half of the USA into the ocean with nuclear torpedoes, was especially wary of the last thesis.

Regarding the lack of preventive action: it depends on who and how to prevent. Stalin, after a certain time after the maximum tightening of criminal law, up to executions for theft, could afford to abolish the death penalty in the USSR in general. The lesson has been learned. As for judicial error, the probability of a medical error, for example, when conducting a complex operation is much higher. Will we ban? Or, nevertheless, improve the law enforcement and judicial systems, as well as increase the measure of responsibility of those whom we trust to protect and judge us?

The third group is, for the most part, casuistry of pure water. “The death penalty does not punish, it simply kills”, “not a single death has returned the life of the victim and comforted her relatives”, “she does not eliminate the causes of crime”, “those who execute the death sentences become the same as those they execute.” .. It's all just sophistry, with which arguing is useless in principle.

In conclusion, I will allow myself to express my own opinion, namely to explain why I consider the death penalty not just acceptable, but necessary. Social protection is the key. Anyone who has crossed the line of humanity with his deed of justification should not be punished (for certain things, an adequately severe punishment simply does not exist), but simply crossed out, eliminated, erased so that he does not even have one chance per million to repeat what he has already done once. Neither having entered the amnesty, nor having been freed because of the natural disaster that destroyed the prison ... Never. With this, and only this, millions of normal people will be truly reliably protected.

Moreover, the corpus delicti for which the death penalty may be imposed in domestic law is perhaps worth revising. What about drug dealers, for example? Often, it is not necessary to execute - there was such a wonderful thing in Russia as hard labor. Maybe worth a return?

The death penalty in our state has not been abolished, not removed from the criminal law. The entire “moratorium” on it rests on the signed Protocol No. 6 to the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights, which, incidentally, was never ratified in the Decision of the Constitutional Court of Russia. There is talk that now, in order to rid society of villains, “we need to change the Constitution,” no more than profanity. Moreover, just the Basic Law is about to be edited in the near future. Using this moment, Russian society may well demand fair protection for itself and its children - there would be a will and determination.
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  1. bessmertniy 7 February 2020 06: 51 New
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    There are crimes for which the death penalty is not enough. Definitely it should be - so that every hoopoe knows that retribution awaits him. negative
    1. Finches 7 February 2020 07: 02 New
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      This question is very complex, in fact, and lies more in the philosophical field than in the field of human morality! For example, who robbed millions of people, doomed tens of thousands to starvation, Chubais is a "great" state man, and a drunkard who crushed a passerby a non-man ... We cherish and cherish one, and the second should be a story .... So the first robbed the people consciously, having clearly planned everything and put together a gang, and the second relied on Russian maybe and generally drank the first time, but urgently needed to go somewhere suddenly ... Such an example, of course, so-so, but who are the judges? Of course, maniacs should be executed - why should they be fed in vain or this, ment, that they shot people in the store ... Well, here you still need to figure out who took him to work and how he rose to the rank of major ?! But in other cases, this is a difficult question ...
      1. Shurik70 7 February 2020 07: 12 New
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        Are there few uranium mines?
        And do not execute, but from there and will not return.
        1. Vladimir_2U 7 February 2020 07: 22 New
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          Do not bastard any strategic objects! They haven’t mined ore there for a long time.
        2. Cut Samshitov 7 February 2020 08: 43 New
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          Let the bloodthirsty aftyr remember how many people were convicted in the Chikatilo case. There, too, they shouted, "It’s clear, to shoot like dogs." Another thing should not be the possibility of parole in a number of articles.
          1. Uncle Izya 7 February 2020 09: 10 New
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            And that this is not an indicator in Minsk, two cormorants planted a bomb in the subway of both, many people died, and what do they contain until the end of life?
            1. Sergey Olegovich 7 February 2020 10: 28 New
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              I believe that under such articles as betrayal, pedophilia, terrorism (a terrorist act made the highest measure, exposed to a terrorist attack for life) and a number of serious crimes entailing the death of the victim (except for self-defense, you need to look based on circumstances and the protection of children, as yesterday was an article about the death of a pedophile, a person in this case needs to be justified) including the drug trade, the slave trade, the death penalty, corruption for life with the confiscation of property from relatives is needed.
          2. Andrey VOV 7 February 2020 09: 33 New
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            Enough to carry garbage, in the case of Chicatillo they shot one man who proved himself to have killed two, the rest were hanged on him, but they were GUILTY!
          3. monah 7 February 2020 10: 58 New
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            Quote: Cut Samshitov
            Let the bloodthirsty aftyr remember how many people were convicted in the Chikatilo case. There, too, they shouted, "It’s clear, to shoot like dogs." Another thing should not be the possibility of parole in a number of articles.
            In the Chikatilo case, not so innocent lambs got under the tower. Secondly, which of the scouts or judges went to the expense of the innocent victims? I don’t remember something, or I don’t own the information? That is, impunity is at the forefront again?
          4. victor50 12 February 2020 10: 28 New
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            Quote: Cut Samshitov
            Let the bloodthirsty aftyr remember how many people were convicted in the Chikatilo case.

            But Basayev, if he had been captured, and not killed, would have been alive.
      2. Svetlana 7 February 2020 08: 23 New
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        >>>> This question is very complex, in fact, and lies more in the philosophical field than in the field of human morality .. <<<
        It’s easier to be easier. These are all the delights of the “rotten” intelligentsia sucking problems from the finger.
        1. Finches 7 February 2020 08: 27 New
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          Well, excuse me, that has grown, has grown laughing
        2. Cut Samshitov 7 February 2020 08: 51 New
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          Small task: There is a certain colonel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs who has "accumulated" $ 9 billion. Question: Does the colonel have the opportunity to bring an innocent person under a "firing squad"?
          1. AU Ivanov. 7 February 2020 10: 17 New
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            To the colonel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs such amounts are not of rank. Not for Ivashka shirt. It is nothing more than a transmission link. Or a banal caster.
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        4. Ezekiel 25-17 7 February 2020 14: 04 New
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          Quote: Svetlana
          >>>> This question is very complex, in fact, and lies more in the philosophical field than in the field of human morality .. <<<
          It’s easier to be easier. These are all the delights of the “rotten” intelligentsia sucking problems from the finger.

          Easier is Talion or Sharia; try on yourself.
          1. Svetlana 7 February 2020 14: 22 New
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            Yes sir. Talion's "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot .." better than the biblical "who hits you on your right cheek, turn to him and the other"
            1. Ezekiel 25-17 7 February 2020 15: 40 New
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              You are ready, well, if you are stoned for treason, for example.
            2. Maki Avellevich 7 February 2020 17: 23 New
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              Quote: Svetlana
              Yes sir. Talion's "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot .." better than the biblical "who hits you on your right cheek, turn to him and the other"

              Then you should read the Old Testament. Everything is simple and logical there. Sometimes it’s written to answer even in seven
              1. Alexga 7 February 2020 18: 00 New
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                Book of Exodus?
                1. Maki Avellevich 7 February 2020 20: 04 New
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                  Book of Exodus?

                  Yes sir. also in the book of Deuteronomy there are many interesting things on the topic of law.
      3. tihonmarine 7 February 2020 09: 41 New
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        Quote: Finches
        So the first one robbed people consciously, having planned everything clearly and put together a gang,

        Yes, for such and death is not enough, burn them in a fiery hyena.
      4. neri73-r 7 February 2020 09: 57 New
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        Will we ban? Or, nevertheless, improve the law enforcement and judicial systems, as well as increase the measure of responsibility of those whom we trust to protect and judge us?

        Here is the main question and answer! But can we cope with Bologna’s education, and with moral standards like - if you have money, then you are the color of the nation, etc. .. ????????
      5. Nyrobsky 7 February 2020 11: 58 New
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        Quote: Finches
        But in other cases, this is a difficult question ...

        In principle, the question is not as complicated as it seems. The crime was committed unintentionally, by negligence, in a state of affect, excess of self-defense (options) i.e. not intentionally - the term. If a serious crime was planned in advance, or occurred spontaneously (they went out for a walk, they beat a passerby), i.e. committed intentionally and deliberately - the death penalty.
      6. ser56 7 February 2020 13: 37 New
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        Quote: Finches
        but urgently needed to go somewhere suddenly ..

        and the taxi could not be called?
        1. Finches 7 February 2020 14: 19 New
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          Yes, this is not the point, besides wrote that the example is so-so - I'm figurative!
          1. ser56 7 February 2020 14: 23 New
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            Quote: Finches
            that the example is so-so - I'm figurative!

            So people need to educate banal - not to do some things ... hi
      7. cradle 8 February 2020 02: 32 New
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        and it ... will be cured ... if you return the SK ... it will be scary to impudently outrage
    2. Uncle lee 7 February 2020 07: 04 New
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      The highest measure of social protection!
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      2. GKS 2111 7 February 2020 07: 32 New
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        “The death penalty provides a one hundred percent guarantee against relapse.” George Will
        I think many would have survived if we had the death penalty.
        1. Ezekiel 25-17 7 February 2020 08: 48 New
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          No. I recommend watching the release of Goblin Puchkov’s intelligence interview with an American policeman, as he talks about the murder of four police officers.
          1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 09: 11 New
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            "Relapse of crimes in criminal law - commission by a person of a new crime after conviction for a previous act "
            Not that example. He would be executed after the first
      3. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 07: 57 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The highest measure of social protection!

        When amers are asked why they are demanding a ban on the death penalty from others, they do not forbid themselves, they answer ... well, I can’t pick up the words
        "As long as the American people demand the execution of the criminal, we will execute"
        Like this
    3. New Year day 7 February 2020 10: 06 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      There are crimes for which the death penalty is not enough. Definitely it should be - so that every hoopoe knows that retribution awaits him

      no doubt! Behind!
      but a simple question: who are the judges now?
      Entrust this question with this:
      Olga Kudeshkina considered a criminal case related to business and the conflict between law enforcement and customs structures. The judge lost her powers in 2004, in 2009 the Strasbourg court granted her complaint, but the Russian Supreme Court refused to reinstate her.
      Business conflicts were one of the main reasons for judicial resignations and even criminal cases. So, “off-duty relations” with entrepreneurs were held by the posts of chairmen of the arbitration courts Tatyana Loktionova (Primorsky Territory) and Nikolai Manzheev (Kalmykia).
      Absentee arrest of the judge of the Moscow Arbitration Court Irina Baranova, who is accused of involvement in an attempt to raider the capture of the building on Gogolevsky Boulevard with the help of court decisions, has now been authorized. The judge, however, managed to fly to Miami.
      Or judge Khakhaleva, who bought a diploma?
      First, you need to carry out the lustration of the judges, and then take up such a question
      1. Dart2027 7 February 2020 17: 48 New
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        Quote: Silvestr
        First, you need to carry out the lustration of the judges

        Do you propose to suspend the activities of all courts?
    4. Fibrizio 7 February 2020 10: 47 New
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      The danger is not in the death penalty itself, but in who decides what to execute and whom.
      Today it’s pedophiles, drug dealers, serial killers (you can continue to fantasize).
      And tomorrow they will be dissenters. The fifth column, for those who are protesting for a decrease in the issuance of margarine and granulated sugar on grocery cards.
      The danger is in giving excessive power to someone’s hands.
      As we see, even the main document of the country in the easiest way to the ringing of fanfare (and with the support of propagandists in the media) was supported by the whole "opposition" and has already been approved by the population (I chose the right word).
      Then where is the confidence that the tool for the good does not turn into a lever to maintain power?
    5. Lister 7 February 2020 23: 53 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      There are crimes for which the death penalty is not enough. Definitely it should be - so that every hoopoe knows that retribution awaits him. negative

      That's right. Maybe another criminal will think carefully before committing a serious crime. He will know that death is inevitable and will not commit a crime.
  2. Dmitry Potapov 7 February 2020 06: 56 New
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    In my opinion, the execution is fairer and cheaper. Only the court should give itself a full countdown on the verdict.
    1. bessmertniy 7 February 2020 07: 07 New
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      Of course, the court must competently weigh guilt, and if a person is not worthy to live for his atrocities, then he must be freed from life.
    2. Russobel 7 February 2020 07: 10 New
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      Only the court should give itself a full count

      Ideally, yes, and I agree with you, but in reality look at what the judicial system looks like.
    3. Finches 7 February 2020 07: 14 New
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      And if the judge himself is a maniac and misanthrope - just not yet revealed?
      1. Dmitry Potapov 7 February 2020 07: 34 New
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        The court should be popular, plus assessors, and not a federal jury. The jury has more emotions, less specifics, and if the jury, then at least impartial and with education.
        1. Finches 7 February 2020 07: 43 New
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          For thousands of years, mankind has been pondering this problem, but Roman law still lies at the heart of justice ... (I do not take Sharia and Anglo-Saxons into account), it is figurative, that is, if there was a correct and unambiguous answer to this question, then humanity would have found it !
        2. Ka-52 7 February 2020 09: 29 New
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          The court must be popular

          is it like that? Like how they gathered a gathering or veche and using the method "smoke a hand hto for carving Ivashka in public?" laughing
          Jurors have more emotions, less specifics

          and what specifics are required of them? They make a decision only on the involvement or non-involvement of the accused of the crime. That is, yes or no. More specific.
          In addition, the acquittal of the jury may be quashed by a higher court and sent for further investigation.
        3. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 09: 49 New
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          Quote: Dmitry Potapov
          then at least impartial and with education.

          And how to determine impartiality?
          Does your education guarantee integrity?
      2. Mordvin 3 7 February 2020 08: 00 New
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        Quote: Finches
        And if the judge himself is a maniac and misanthrope - just not yet revealed?

        The last black woman looked tiredly. He went to hang himself, and no one was dead. laughing
        1. Finches 7 February 2020 08: 03 New
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          Agatha Christie is a classic of the genre!
          1. Mordvin 3 7 February 2020 08: 07 New
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            Quote: Finches
            Agatha Christie is a classic of the genre!

            The first time I looked at “Ten Little Indians”, I immediately said that the killer is a judge. True, in the middle of the film I did not understand when his type was shot. yes
      3. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 09: 00 New
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        Quote: Finches
        And if the judge himself is a maniac and misanthrope - just not yet revealed?

        "And if he was carrying cartridges?" WITH
      4. cradle 8 February 2020 02: 34 New
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        reveal and shoot laughing
    4. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 07: 58 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      In my opinion, the execution is fairer and cheaper.

      In China, the relatives of the executed are sent an invoice for used cartridges
    5. Alex Nevs 7 February 2020 08: 54 New
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      Cheaper if the "hard labor" socially useful work.
      1. bessmertniy 7 February 2020 10: 12 New
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        Where is this hard labor !!! ??? belay Men in zones are sitting without work. GUFSIN digs with a hoof, searches for where to attach, and barely finds something. recourse Since New Year, a decree seems to be signed on the employment of people serving sentences at construction sites and enterprises, but so far people are idle. request
        1. g1washntwn 7 February 2020 12: 01 New
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          Unskilled labor is becoming a rarity. Their training is expensive and useless. Units return to normal life. The rest are homeless at best, but basically - back to the zone. And why spend national money on them? Cartridge 7,62 cheaper.
          I am not a supporter of the death penalty, but in certain circumstances deprivation of life is seen as the only possible way to break this vicious cycle of relapse. In any case, even in the Code of Administrative Offenses there is a norm for increasing responsibility for repeated violations, and in the Criminal Code for repeat offenders it should be increased by a multiple for each repeated violation of the law.
        2. Alex Nevs 7 February 2020 12: 09 New
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          Yes. This is wrong. Labor re-educates, and parasitism corrupts.
    6. Kalmar 7 February 2020 22: 50 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      In my opinion, the execution is fairer and cheaper. Only the court should give itself a full countdown on the verdict.

      Where else could we take such a court in our country ... "If there was a person, there would be an article" - in fact, they did not leave this.
  3. Pessimist22 7 February 2020 06: 58 New
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    Code of Criminal Procedure Article 14. Presumption of innocence

    1. The accused shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty of a crime in the manner prescribed by this Code and established by a court verdict that has entered into legal force.

    I am for the execution, but only in exceptional cases, I am for the restoration of hard labor, the Far East must be mastered.
    1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 08: 03 New
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      , The Far East must be mastered.

      The country is huge. A lot of work
      1. Alex Nevs 7 February 2020 08: 56 New
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        Cosmodrome East laughing . If only they wouldn’t accuse the convicts of how to steal. Joke. Or not.
        1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 08: 59 New
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          Quote: Alex Nevs
          Cosmodrome East

          This is a resort.
          Hard labor is when the frost is over 40, one day of the year is summer and 12 hours work.
          We work in the Far North endless land
          1. Alex Nevs 7 February 2020 09: 04 New
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            I meant the work, which is also “sponsored” by “SUPER budgetary.” And yes, the gulag is still ahead, but it’s too late to wake up.
            1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 09: 07 New
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              Quote: Alex Nevs
              I meant work,

              Yes, I understand you. Syronized
          2. ser56 7 February 2020 13: 40 New
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            Hard labor is when the frost is over 40, one day of the year is summer and 12 hours work.

            go to the guards? repeat
            1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 13: 44 New
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              Quote: ser56
              go to the guards?

              No.
              I guess what the next question will be.
              There is such a thing as a shift method.
              For example, oil workers work like that and nothing
              1. ser56 7 February 2020 13: 46 New
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                There is such a thing as a shift method.

                Who will compensate the cost of such protection? Budget? Maybe wiser as it is now in the cameras? recourse
                1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 13: 52 New
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                  Quote: ser56
                  Who will compensate the cost of such protection?

                  Who is now compensating for the zones in the same Mordovia ?.
                  As far as I remember, the protection was carried out by explosives
                  Budget? Maybe wiser as it is now in the cameras? recourse

                  Are they guarded for free?
                  Do all the cameras work and compensate for these costs? belay
                  1. ser56 7 February 2020 14: 14 New
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                    Do all the cameras work and compensate for these costs?

                    Compare the organization of security at the penal servitude you are offering and in prison ... bully
                    1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 15: 00 New
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                      Quote: ser56
                      Compare the organization of security at the penal servitude you are offering and in prison.

                      Incompatible.
                      But in the USSR this problem was solved
                      1. ser56 7 February 2020 15: 17 New
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                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        But in the USSR this problem was solved

                        Want back to the USSR? lived there? ran shopping after work to sell coupons? Got a warrant for the carpet? I am. do not want anymore... hi
                      2. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 15: 20 New
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                        Quote: ser56
                        Want back to the USSR? lived there? ran shopping after work to sell coupons? Got a warrant for the carpet? I am. do not want anymore...

                        He lived.
                        Is it really about me?
                        And what does the problem of hard labor in the Russian Federation have to coupons and warrants for carpet in the USSR request
                        They forgot about the refrigerator, the line for the car and the apartment
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                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        has the problem of hard labor in the Russian Federation

                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        But in the USSR this problem was solved

                        you don’t remember - what do you write? request
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        to coupons and warrants for carpet in the USSR

                        in the appendage you get ... repeat
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        They forgot about the refrigerator, the line for the car and the apartment

                        They gave me a refrigerator for my wedding, I didn’t buy cars in the USSR - I didn’t need problems with maintenance, but I got the apartment quickly, I was lucky ... request
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi 7 February 2020 07: 00 New
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    The current government will never, under any circumstances, return the death penalty!
    They are afraid that sooner or later this article will be used against them.
    In a word, be afraid that they will be shot!
    And rightly so, what to fear!
    1. bessmertniy 7 February 2020 07: 10 New
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      Power against itself never votes. And he will always find justification for his actions no matter how criminal they may be. negative
    2. Den717 7 February 2020 08: 30 New
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      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
      They are afraid that sooner or later this article will be used against them.
      In a word, be afraid that they will be shot!

      You are stupid ... Nobody even condemns them, condemns them, or something steeper .... But a revolution, like the Maidan, which you obviously mean, has never limited itself to the framework of written laws, and therefore does not need any acts, such as restoring or lifting a moratorium. Hunchbacked betrayals caused damage comparable to World War II. So what? A pensioner lives for himself, and does not blow a mustache. And you - "afraid" ... Who? You? Me? Writers from VO? .. I beg you !!!! laughing
      The moratorium has long been explained by the need to become a member of the Council of Europe. All. Until we leave, do not take out ..... so there will be a moratorium on the death penalty. About mines - the constitution has an article on the prohibition of forced labor. Here it makes sense to look at it and think about a change. And then the ghouls “sit” at the expense of the state, at the expense of the victims ... and this is not fair. Must work and work, earn and compensate for the damage.
      1. Alex Nevs 7 February 2020 08: 57 New
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        Do not forget to mention the word "hard labor".
    3. Ezekiel 25-17 7 February 2020 14: 08 New
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      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
      The current government will never, under any circumstances, return the death penalty!
      They are afraid that sooner or later this article will be used against them.
      In a word, be afraid that they will be shot!
      And rightly so, what to fear!

      You are naive ... In the event of a revolution or a coup, the law will be sidelined ..
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        Keyword in your offer
        In the case of

        Well, which of us is naive?
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          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          Keyword in your offer
          In the case of

          Well, which of us is naive?

          You: Never say never.
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    The death penalty, as the highest measure of justice in relation to terrorists, maniacs, killers, repeat offenders and rapists, pedophiles - should be.
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      and in Soviet times, the theft of state property on an especially large scale - how many bullets are already crying?
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        theft of state property on an especially large scale - how many have a bullet crying already?

        But it seems to me that hard labor will be much more effective
        Roman hi
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          get paid for money and hard labor .. Serge! hi
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            get along for money and hard labor ..

            Well, with the development of modern technology, blocking this cash flow is not so difficult.
            There would be a desire.
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              to remind how the hoe is sitting ??
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                to remind how the hoe is sitting ??

                So I say, there would be a desire.
                And so there the “master” and the opera are next to them and their receivers will scratch their turnips forty times, but they won’t do that
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                  next will not work. they have a separate zone
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                    Quote: novel xnumx
                    next will not work. they have a separate zone

                    Nothing, an exception can be made.
                    Although I meant the word plant
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        and in Soviet times, theft of state property on an especially large scale

        Today, in many countries, tax evasion is also severely punished, and here we have 13% of the working population .... request
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          Do you think we can compare a pedophile with a tax evader? We also have an article in the Criminal Code about taxes - do not forget ..
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            Quote: 2 level advisor
            We also have an article in the Criminal Code about taxes - do not forget ..

            The issue is not the availability of the article, but the zeal of the state to stop the crime. Moreover, the attempt by non-payers to live at the expense of conscientious citizens is one of the deadly sins, participation in consumption without participation in creation.
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              In general, I agree. But conscientious citizens, a somewhat inappropriate concept in this case. Since, conscientious is the one who does it honestly, and we have our own citizens paying taxes ourselves? On hand, already after deduction of taxes, they give salaries. Therefore, it would be bona fide if they themselves paid taxes, and so just tax payers, and there is no merit from the word at all, they don’t have the option to pay .. Although, if, as you indicated above, “many countries” introduce an obligation for the workers themselves to pay, then they would know the percentage of bona fide ones ... Especially when they get 50tr per month in their hands of which about 20tr should be paid in taxes and fees ..
              Although initially, I replied to you about equating you as defaulters with pedophiles - an article actually about the death penalty hi
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                Although if, as you pointed out above, "many countries" introduce an obligation for the workers themselves to pay, then they would have known the percentage of bona fide ones.

                Do you think that a waitress from a Boston outback pays tax on her tip because she is more conscientious than a Russian taxi driver? I doubt it. According to that waitress, she pays the tax because even if there are suspicions of underpayment (sheltering tax revenues), the state will wipe it into powder with more fury than the rapist-pedophile. This is because in the USA the tax is holy, and an attempt not to pay is equated to an encroachment on the state. If the USSR treated the same way, then the entire Bialowieza trinity in the same forest would have been buried under license plates instead of monuments. And I would agree with that. Honesty is diligence in the performance of their duties, obligations. Motivation is not considered.
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                  Well, I am the same) where does the waitress from Boston then? I just told you that the conscientiousness of the taxpayer, our concept is not very applicable unfortunately hi
                  1. Den717 7 February 2020 14: 38 New
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                    Well, I am the same) where does the waitress from Boston then? I just told you that the conscientiousness of the taxpayer is not a very applicable concept for us

                    The integrity of the taxpayer is a completely applicable concept with us. They will be thrown for tax evasion a couple of years of forced labor with the deduction of half of the earnings in favor of the state (and this couple of years without holidays), immediately there will be a desire to pay taxes on time. Do you pay tax on an apartment and a car yourself? Or how? Just turn on an additional repressive apparatus, and everything will fall into place. And the waitress from Boston is here because she comes from Russia and pays, like nice, on time and without delay. A beat determines consciousness. I said earlier that motivation is not included in the concept of good faith. Motivation is created by the carrot and stick of the state. For the timely payment of tax, its rate will be reduced by a few percent, and for the untimely one, it will be increased by a dozen or two, and you will be the most conscientious .... And if not, they will find you hard work, leave money for a communal apartment and bread without butter, and the rest will be taken away for the maintenance of the repressive apparatus. Yes, and advertise edification to descendants and the environment. How do you like this motivation for a good conscience? And no tricks ....
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                      Dan, I’m telling you about the current state of things, and you - about how it should be .. Well, I don’t argue with you, it should be exactly as you say ..
                      It’s just that the state itself doesn’t want people to see how much money will go into taxes as a money .. People don’t like 50 people to give 20 to the state. People will have a hotbed of social tension that the government doesn’t want to. There will be attempts to hide it taxes .. Therefore, they make the employer, as in the kindergarten, answer to the state authorities for the workers — in fact, all adults, you got it, your problem is to pay / no .. what does the employer have to do with it? That is why the state has no desire to include repression .. As the struggle for accustoming to order begins, but it is difficult and long .. Although it should ..
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                        Dan, I tell you about the current state of affairs.

                        In the existing order of things, an employer acts as a tax agent for an employee. Your assumption "if, as you pointed out above," many countries "introduce an obligation on the workers themselves to pay, then you would know the percentage of bona fide ones ..." today it remains your imagination, and not "the current state of things."
                        Quote: 2 level advisor
                        It’s just that the state itself doesn’t want people to see how much money they’ll receive in their hands will go as taxes .. People with 50 received in their hands to give 20 to the state will not like

                        These are your speculations. The state has not stated this. Such a tradition has simply developed since Soviet times, and today it is considered an acceptable practice. In general, this is not a very good way, in my opinion, to predict who thought what, what is afraid, wants or does not want. These are all journalistic methods of manipulating public opinion. Reasonable people do not take this into account, unless there is sufficient evidence of this work of thought.
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                        Dan, did you decide to practice chtholi in sophistry?
                        1.that you started a conversation about a Boston waitress who is afraid not to pay taxes, unlike ours, not me. And here I am a dreamer? Because I said that we have a bunch of people fearlessly paying taxes - is that really not a real state of things? Or is it really, in the current situation, that everyone pays completely, so what do you think?
                        2. Well, these are my speculations. Maybe then express your thoughts, not criticism? why isn’t we having the same situation as with the waitress you mentioned, who is very afraid of not paying taxes?
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                        You in sophistry decided to practice

                        I explain on the fingers. You initially expressed doubt that Russian people will not pay tax themselves from the money received. That is, they doubted their conscientious fulfillment of tax obligations. I gave you an example of how in a different tax system (in Boston) a Russian person himself carefully pays imputed taxes even from the money that does not go through the cash register, but everyone understands that some income comes through tips. That is all. What sophistry? Why is our tax situation not like in the USA? Firstly, in each country there is a certain contingent hiding from taxes. They are caught more and more every year. And we, too, have achieved some successes noted during the appointment of Mishustin to the post of chairman. I honestly find it difficult to say where tax collection is higher - here or in the USA. But the fact that in the states is more severely punished for those who are caught for these crimes than ours, is confirmed by those who went there and work there. By the way, we also have a fairly large layer of individual entrepreneurs and self-employed, who quite regularly pay taxes themselves. "Avoiding taxes" is becoming increasingly difficult. The bankers have already been pulled up, and soon they will become interested in the sources of funds received by bank transfer. Perhaps you mean by a bona fide payer those who want to pay? These, I think, will be very few. Nobody wants to pay himself. Everyone pays on duty under penalty of punishment from the state. In this case, the state is the most effective racketeer. laughingif you like ...
          2. Ezekiel 25-17 7 February 2020 11: 17 New
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            Quote: 2 level advisor
            In general, I agree. But conscientious citizens, a somewhat inappropriate concept in this case. Since, conscientious is the one who does it honestly, and we have our own citizens paying taxes ourselves? On hand, already after deduction of taxes, they give salaries. Therefore, it would be bona fide if they themselves paid taxes, and so just tax payers, and there is no merit from the word at all, they don’t have the option to pay .. Although, if, as you indicated above, “many countries” introduce an obligation for the workers themselves to pay, then they would know the percentage of bona fide ones ... Especially when they get 50tr per month in their hands of which about 20tr should be paid in taxes and fees ..
            Although initially, I replied to you about equating you as defaulters with pedophiles - an article actually about the death penalty hi

            In the United States, payroll tax can be paid in two ways: 1) without bothering, the employer transfers it; 2) pay yourself once a year.
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              The United States generally has a different tax system, with nuances and amounts in each state .. the employer can pay 1-2 taxes, which is due on the payment, and if the contract stipulates that he has a conditional obligation very much .. the rest is for himself .. and the employer will not fill out a declaration for you and will not be responsible for you before the tax ...
  • Ingvar 72 7 February 2020 07: 40 New
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    In the country, which occupies the first place in the consumption of heroin, the death penalty is simply obliged to be for the sale of drugs. As well as corruption. hi
    1. Lipchanin 7 February 2020 08: 05 New
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      for the sale of drugs, the death penalty is simply a must.

      Yes, and with confiscation
      It really hurts their "business" is profitable
  • Lipchanin 7 February 2020 08: 05 New
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    repeat killers

    Why repeat offenders?
    This requires the death penalty.
    Killed, die yourself
  • AU Ivanov. 7 February 2020 09: 21 New
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    Better to let them rot alive for life. Instant death is too humane for them.
    1. Andrey VOV 7 February 2020 09: 38 New
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      And how much money is spent on their maintenance? All this blah blah blah .... lifelong leaves them a chance to leave for udo after 25 years and something despite the fable oh what a terrible life would be better than execution, not one of the sitters strangled himself for terrible conditions ...
      1. AU Ivanov. 7 February 2020 09: 41 New
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        So they should work for life. In heavy or especially hazardous work. Hard labor has long been invented for such figures.
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          What kind of work for example?
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            Any related to hazard class 4 according to Federal Law 426. For example, under conditions of ionizing radiation.
            1. Andrey VOV 7 February 2020 10: 04 New
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              All these embezzlers of the Belorussky ... they’re unlikely to hold a shovel then and there they may end up doing more harm than good ... most of all they are afraid of becoming poor and, as I wrote here, we must confiscate everything that goes beyond their legal income and not only among the embezzler himself, but also with the whole circle of relatives, leaving them a minimum for living, because I do not believe that they did not know where all the wealth and the golden toilet bowls were from
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                There is such an army proverb: if you do not know how - we will teach, if you do not want to - we will force.
                1. Andrey VOV 7 February 2020 10: 10 New
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                  I know .... but it’s a waste of time, resources .. even if they work stupidly at a brick factory, at a cement plant, they cut down the forest .... and they think how now their whole family lives like everyone else ... they’re unlucky ... except they don’t know how to steal ...
  • Far B 7 February 2020 07: 02 New
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    was such a wonderful thing in Russia as hard labor. Maybe worth a return?
    Entirely in favor. Shoot (hang, etc.) - wasted squandering wasted.
    Moreover, the corpus delicti for which the death penalty may be imposed in domestic law is perhaps worth revising
    Kaznokradov there too.
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      Kaznokradov there too.

      This is definitely hard labor.
      It will be useful to work, at least partially compensate for the damage
      1. Andrey VOV 7 February 2020 09: 41 New
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        Here you write penal servitude .... near the devil on the pockets ... and did you think about the people who will protect them there? As a rule, embezzlers have so much property, mom don’t grieve, it’s clear that they are relatives, and what relatives didn’t understand that she steals, understood and accepted, so putting this villain to confiscate everything that was above his legal income from both his and his relatives, leaving them at least a living. I wouldn’t believe it and did not believe that the relatives of the embezzler didn’t understand where all this wealth. For such people, the worst thing to stay without port
  • Sarduor 7 February 2020 07: 05 New
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    Can create a petition for the return of the death penalty?
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      Can create a petition for the return of the death penalty?

      It's time.
      It seems there have been more than once.
      Only zero sense
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      Can create a petition for the return of the death penalty?

      What for. It is enough to create a Union State on the basis of Belarus. True, the police will need to laughing laughing rename the police, they do not like palitsaev in Belarusian villages. Everyone will leave for the forests and will blow up the echelons. laughing
  • Russobel 7 February 2020 07: 06 New
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    I completely agree with the author.
    Clearly delete.
    And there are enough others for hard labor (according to economic articles and even for abuse of power!)
  • samarin1969 7 February 2020 07: 11 New
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    There are crimes for which the death penalty is not enough.

    So terrorists must be punished more than the death penalty! Then it will be possible to stop this evil in Russia.
    Another question is that the death penalty can be just a tool. The technologies "substitute" a person are already very developed. For whom, say, Colonel Zakharchenko is unlikely to ever be told.
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      Colonel is sitting for his stupidity. If the money is wrong, then why the hell did he agree. And once agreed, then the accomplices.
  • GKS 2111 7 February 2020 07: 18 New
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    There are crimes for which the death penalty is not enough.

    I consider it necessary to carry out the death penalty for treason, terrorist act, sabotage and intentional murder (especially of children) under aggravating circumstances, Execute pedophile geeks, drug dealers. One of the principles of justice is compliance with the punishment of the gravity of the act, right?. A couple of years in prison for theft? , then what is the equivalent of murder? It is unlikely that life imprisonment can be considered a fair measure against maniacs and terrorists, whose conscience has hundreds of innocent victims. The answer suggests itself: the death penalty is an adequate punishment for such a serious crime as intentional deprivation of human life.
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      It is unlikely that life imprisonment can be considered a fair measure.

      Moreover, no one will guarantee that they can be released.
      Everything can happen
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      I consider necessary the death penalty for treason

      There is no such crime "treason to the motherland." There is treason. This is when the state entrusted you with responsible work and information, and you gave this information or work to employees of another state. Homeland is a moral concept, and each has its own morality. But state secret is a legal concept and one can answer for it.
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        I agree, Snowden is an example of this.
  • rocket757 7 February 2020 07: 25 New
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    As always, I want justice, everything and everything for justice!
    But while the determination of the measure of justice is in the hands of those whom we do not particularly trust, it is better to postpone radical decisions.
    However, where is there such a thing that “justice” cannot be affected by those who determine its measure ???
  • Free wind 7 February 2020 07: 27 New
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    The death penalty is needed, but there are a lot of questions. Torture knock evidence, throw evidence. A recent case, when they threw drugs to a journalist. Periodically, the facts about the crimes of prosecutors, police, FSB officers come up. And who will be judged after the investigations by these people? hahaleva?
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    . What about drug dealers, for example? Often, it is not necessary to execute - there was such a wonderful thing in Russia as hard labor. Maybe worth a return?

    Bad moment. After the high-profile recent drug addiction incident that is currently under investigation, or after examinations of supposedly drunk children, society is more likely to accept the death penalty for law enforcement officials or judges who break the law
    hi
    As for premeditated murder, undoubtedly the minimum punishment should be life imprisonment with the right to leave ahead of schedule in 15-20 years only with the consent of the victim's relatives.
    Similarly, you need to introduce a rule - conditionally - early and other reduced sentences - only with the consent of the victims.
    No - to sit to the fullest, and the problem of asking for consent and forgiveness should be the problem of the offender himself - then the victims can feel protected at least from the moral side.
    And further. Before introducing the death penalty, you need to adopt normal laws on self-defense.
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      you need to adopt normal laws on self-defense.
      But this is very important and reasonable! there should be no restrictions on self-defense!
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        Quote: novel xnumx
        there should be no restrictions on self-defense!

        About 25-30 years ago, three bastards climbed into the barn to grandfather and began to steal something there.
        Grandfather saw them through the window. He went out and began to persuade to leave. Those began to threaten. Grandfather returned to the house and went out with a gun. Those with threats went to him. Two got knives.
        The grandfather of one rested in place, the second died in the ambulance. The third escaped.
        Grandfather in jail. The whole city rose in defense of his grandfather. It seems even in the state media there were articles.
        Grandfather was released before the trial. Given that at the very least conditionally
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          it was funnier - someone mined the house, thieves climbed and blew up, gave a term!
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            Quote: novel xnumx
            it was funnier - someone mined the house, thieves climbed and blew up, gave a term!

            I left fake vodka in the garden house. They grunted in place. Term
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              So they brought with them, how long? They grunted, netuti witnesses. fellow hi
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        The restriction should be one - so that third parties do not suffer from self-defense.
  • nikvic46 7 February 2020 07: 39 New
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    It is difficult to speak of the highest measure, when for the same offense, the crime is punished in different ways. We are often sentenced by journalists, the public, and judges are following about others. The question of a jury trial will still be a question. Until laws are passed on the intersection of lawyers accused with a jury. This connection is unacceptable.
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      when for the same offense, the crime is punished in different ways.

      So it all depends on the severity of the crime. For this, there is a trial
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        Sergei. One is deprived of rights for three violations. The other is set free. And this other one committed hundreds of offenses. And he committed a fatal accident. If you are not in a major, wait in prison.
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          Sergei. One is deprived of rights for three violations. The other is set free. And this other one committed hundreds of offenses. And he committed a fatal accident. If you are not in a major, wait in prison.

          Oh well. Theft. One stole a loaf of bread, the other a million.
          Both theft there and there. Is there one punishment?
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            Even for stealing a roll or a million, the punishment will be different. If the defendant does not have support, then there is nothing to rock the boat.
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      Quote: nikvic46
      It is difficult to speak of the highest measure, when for the same offense, the crime is punished in different ways. We are often sentenced by journalists, the public, and judges are following about others. The question of a jury trial will still be a question. Until laws are passed on the intersection of lawyers accused with a jury. This connection is unacceptable.

      This is just not difficult to implement. The jury presence will be virtual. That is, they see the process in online broadcasting mode.
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    If only mushrooms had grown in your mouth ..... A moratorium gives a bastard a chance of survival, knowingly (not defending himself or protecting relatives or helping others, by an absurd combination of circumstances, not as a result of an obvious mistake, etc.) who encroached on the "sacred life" of another, and while preserving such individuals the opportunity to exist in anticipation of a miracle - amnesty, the coming to power of humanoids, we turn all arguments on this subject into demagogy. Especially when many people are killed
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    and also the state should contain those who receive long sentences or pzh ... it turns out that the criminals are then held on the victims' money (they also pay taxes) ...
    all the more perverts and terrorists having unwound their term, as a rule, commit such crimes again and again
    no terrorist (pervert) - no problem
    the death penalty is necessary at least for terrorism, crimes committed with particular cruelty, crimes against children and state treason
  • Lamata 7 February 2020 07: 55 New
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    Well, introduce the death penalty, but with a delayed execution of 5 years
    1. Ezekiel 25-17 7 February 2020 11: 22 New
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      Well, introduce the death penalty, but with a delayed execution of 5 years

      So it’s possible: it’s called a moratorium on execution or as a variant of PLC without the right to parole
  • Dimy4 7 February 2020 08: 07 New
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    I remember the phrase from one episode of the documentary series “The Investigation Waged,” at the very end Kanevsky said something like this (I don’t remember exactly, but the meaning is this): “The sentencer is given a criminal case to watch, and after the sentence is executed. agreed and you can rest assured his hand didn’t flinch. " The criminal case was about a rapist and a killer of girls.
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      Quote: Dimy4
      I remember the phrase from one episode of the documentary series “The Investigation Waged,” at the very end Kanevsky said something like this (I don’t remember exactly, but the meaning is this): “The sentencer is given a criminal case to watch, and after the sentence is executed. agreed and you can rest assured his hand didn’t flinch. " The criminal case was about a rapist and a killer of girls.

      These are bedtime stories: the executioner is a job and they go to it voluntarily.
  • Axon 7 February 2020 08: 13 New
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    The death penalty is not a punishment for a criminal; you will not punish him in any way, but a small compensation and moral support for the relatives and friends of the victims. For material crimes, you cannot be executed.
  • U-58 7 February 2020 08: 19 New
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    I thought that life imprisonment is much worse than execution.
    For it is possible for a monster to arrange such a "merry life" that execution for him will be like a miracle of God for him.
    However, I communicate with two FSIN veterans.
    One served in a pre-trial detention center, the other in various colonies of different regimes.
    Obviously for the execution.
    The "human rights" movement has reached the point where employees are even afraid to sneeze toward the convicts.
    A villain, who even feels like a king behind a thorn, cannot be called to order.
    They sleep, eat (on our national money), do not work.
    Complaints are scribbled on every occasion, against which crowds of defenders flock.
    Employees are fired, put on trial and imprisoned for the performance of a debt.
    The bastards triumph, and the service luli feel driven by wolves.
    The system as a correctional one does not essentially work.
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      The system as a correctional one does not essentially work.

      Yes, she never corrected anyone.
      Of my friends who got into the zone, 85 percent returned at least once there
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      Quote: U-58
      I thought that life imprisonment is much worse than execution.
      For it is possible for a monster to arrange such a "merry life" that execution for him will be like a miracle of God for him.
      However, I communicate with two FSIN veterans.
      One served in a pre-trial detention center, the other in various colonies of different regimes.
      Obviously for the execution.
      The "human rights" movement has reached the point where employees are even afraid to sneeze toward the convicts.
      A villain, who even feels like a king behind a thorn, cannot be called to order.
      They sleep, eat (on our national money), do not work.
      Complaints are scribbled on every occasion, against which crowds of defenders flock.
      Employees are fired, put on trial and imprisoned for the performance of a debt.
      The bastards triumph, and the service luli feel driven by wolves.
      The system as a correctional one does not essentially work.

      In Russia, the overseer-jailer has always been despised. They go there not from a good life. Somewhere in the bowels of Yu-TUBA I saw that in the Mordovian colony there are women on the towers, they are more attentive than men. Now think about what will happen if it comes to the use of weapons.
  • Alex 2020 7 February 2020 08: 36 New
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    In addition to introducing the death penalty, it would be nice to remove the immunity of deputies, judges, etc. Maybe then they will start to work on the blah of their country and their people.
    1. Ros 56 7 February 2020 09: 48 New
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      How are banderlogs? They shot it, and how did it get better?
  • Ezekiel 25-17 7 February 2020 08: 51 New
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    You just need to tighten the conditions for early release on PLC, making it for some categories of convicts without the right to parole. And let the death penalty be in wartime.
  • AU Ivanov. 7 February 2020 09: 18 New
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    For many criminals, a bullet in the back of the head is too easy a death. Lifetime with obligatory involvement in work in especially harmful conditions.
  • Aleks2048 7 February 2020 09: 20 New
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    I read the article and comments ... Sadness. I myself am a supporter of the death penalty, I think that a person should know that, figuratively speaking, there is a line that cannot be crossed.
    Surprising comments in the style of let's send prisoners to hard labor or the development of hard-to-reach places by sending special contingents to them. People wake up! How can a person with a Kyle and a shovel compare in performance to an excavator? And where is the day of injury at work? However, I think it is possible to find production where prisoners can be involved, but this can only be realized with a radical change in the attitude of society towards these people. For example, if you introduce the obligation of a prisoner to pay his maintenance in mls. Perhaps the options with the distribution of payment to the prisoner's relatives, perhaps on a voluntary basis, let them decide whether they need such a relative or let them die of hunger. There are actually many options.
    But regarding the death penalty, I believe that a number of articles in the criminal code should not only provide for the use of the death penalty for them, but not have alternative types of punishments.
  • AleBors 7 February 2020 09: 46 New
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    Somehow I got a film about a special zone "Snowflake" ... I looked, I was surprised. Behind the thorns are moral, they live better than those who guard them. They eat better, they read books, they write out the press. I note that all this is with our money. By lifting the moratorium, a lot of money will be freed. And I'm sure it will be calmer in the streets. Only under this must also reform the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
  • Ros 56 7 February 2020 09: 47 New
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    Without even reading the article, figuratively reasoning, I will express my opinion: all the arguments on this subject are from the evil one. Any society is a living organism, as well as a human one, and various negative phenomena and processes also periodically arise in it. Basically, he fights with immunity and, as a rule, wins and the body recovers. But sometimes you have to use surgical means, otherwise the whole body will die. Also society. And we are slowly dying precisely as a society, due to corruption, money-grubbing, outright neglect of other people's interests, and exorbitant growth of our EGO. Those who lived in the USSR remember that there was no such crime, but especially serious one, they remembered that the key to their own apartment was often put under a rug under the door, and in the villages the doors were locked on a sliver in a heck so that the cattle did not enter the house. And God forbid the killing, it’s generally an emergency that raised everyone to their feet. And now they have fenced off each other with iron doors even in one entrance, and how many relatives and friends turned into sworn enemies, children order parents, husband’s wife, etc. scary simple.
    Therefore, for serious economic crimes (bribes, corruption, embezzlement, etc.), for crimes of a political nature (espionage, treason, etc.), as well as against human life and especially children, they must be strictly punished up to the death penalty. Any condescension, indulgence corrupts society, well, think of it, I stole two or three lard, I’ll sit my heels and use the parole to learn the amount. It shouldn’t be like this, I should know for sure that I got caught with a “super prize, you’ll also get a punishment in the form of a bullet. This is my firm conviction.
  • Zaurbek 7 February 2020 09: 53 New
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    Anyone who has crossed the line of humanity with his deed without justification should not be punished (for certain things, an adequately severe punishment simply does not exist), but simply crossed out, eliminated, erased


    First, it is necessary to ensure the clear work of investigators and courts. And then, until they reach the criminal - 25 innocent people will be shot.
  • Cowbra 7 February 2020 10: 03 New
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    Well, there is still the 4th aspect. Standing in a cell in the pose of a drinking horse, Raduyev evoked purely positive associations. A nailed Dudaev in fact from the Czechs, and not only - it became kind of a martyr and a national hero. Sitting in the cell would be a clown
  • Alex_59 7 February 2020 10: 29 New
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    I believe that the death penalty is not needed. (now they are kicking me, but what to do).
    1. Judicial error - this is unfortunately the norm. And it is characteristic of both our justice system and foreign. The results of the investigation cannot be compared with a medical error, an analogy is not appropriate. Nobody interferes with the doctor and does not try to conceal the circumstances of the case, intentionally distort the picture. And criminals are busy with this. Therefore, the work of the investigator and the court in this sense initially contains a much higher risk of error. While there is at least some doubt that the innocent has been convicted, the death penalty is not permissible.
    2. Who said that the death penalty is the most difficult punishment possible? Lifetime - is it better? If the condemned is a finished animal - let him sit, with no chance to get out. Is he deleted from the lists of living people? I think so. But to force him to practice (at least in a small part) before humanity for his crimes or not is an open question. Sometimes labor can be an outlet for such a criminal, that is, rather a concession. Maybe - let him sit without activities and activities, because it probably can be more painful.
  • Alexander X 7 February 2020 10: 32 New
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    The death penalty is necessary to restore justice. If the harm done cannot be corrected or proportionately compensated, then the perpetrator of such an act must be punished by death. To such acts, I would include: Treason, terrorism, theft on an especially large scale, bribery on a large scale, pedophilia, drug trafficking on a large scale. With high treason, it’s clear that if you betrayed a secret, you won’t get it back, but harm does undermine Russia's defense capability and therefore threaten the lives of millions of Russians.
    Terrorism, well, there’s something to discuss here. Watering freaks is necessary. Theft is hidden, but bad people (censorship) abroad, on impersonal accounts, that you can’t return. Well, at least they will not use it. Similarly with bribery. Bad people (censorship) should understand that even if a truck of gold acquired by "overwork" is taken away and buried in a secluded place, then it won’t take this gold to the next world. For pedophilia, I would suggest a quarter ... Drug trafficking, mass murderers. So even if they get to hell early ... IMHO ... I propose to discuss and supplement the list ...
  • fsps 7 February 2020 11: 02 New
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    Always and everywhere dangerous animals were destroyed and will be destroyed, the point is not even the proportionality of guilt and punishment. The one who shot small children in Beslan is not a person, and the rules do not apply to him. If "it" has deleted itself from people, so be it.
  • monah 7 February 2020 11: 06 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
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    So the first one robbed people consciously, having planned everything clearly and put together a gang,

    Yes, for such and death is not enough, burn them in a fiery hyena.

    Even if there is a high court and suggesting that a thief burns in a fiery hyena, his last “legally” use the looted riches! The punishment should be here and now!
  • Stalnov I.P. 7 February 2020 11: 17 New
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    In the year 1988 plus, minus one year, the article in the newspaper Pravda published an article by the Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR Vladimir Ilyich Kolesnikov, in aggregate the Head of the Criminal Investigation Department of the Soviet Union. Subsequently, he was a deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, assistant, deputy Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation. The meaning of the article: "A woman, a journalist whose last name I don’t remember, interviewed VI Kolesnikov about the fight against crime, in particular the death penalty, and just at that time a company was launched in the USSR to mitigate criminal legislation. Kolesnikov explained that it’s too early to abolish the death penalty, to which the journalist replied that he did not understand the moment and so on. In general, their opinions diverged. After some time, she met again with Kolesnikov, on what matter, they’re in a place with a husband and a child of years 10-12, they were constantly walking in the nearby park all evening. Two of the guys stuck to them on one of the walks, rolled on to her husband, her and her son, the situation is clear. After this event, she vigorously expressed her emotions with Kolesnikov that these bastards just need to be shot, execute and stuff ".. When they offend us, our loved ones, we immediately recall the execution. I, for the death penalty, as they said before, is the supreme measure of social protection. Yes, it should be such a scalpel in the hands of the state, accurate and error-free, and the people who prepare these decisions, opera, investigators, judges, making such decisions should be extremely professional, checked, double-checked, with the highest moral standards. Examples are PRC up to 10 years old do not carry out execution, in the USA, 20-25 years. for cases that have some kind of flaws or suspicions. That's just the moral standards we have a problem.
  • Varyag71 7 February 2020 13: 02 New
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    Execute, definitely! Leaving even for life, such are dangerous. Today they are sitting, and tomorrow the power has changed, and they are released. And in the case of hour X, you yourself understand that if these remain alive, then what it will result in if it is not clear in the country what.
  • ser56 7 February 2020 13: 28 New
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    something the author brought to the wrong place:
    "time, academician Sakharov, who had previously proposed flushing half the US into the ocean with nuclear torpedoes ..."
    Let me remind you that the idea is now being implemented in Poseidon! repeat
    In addition, I don’t see much difference in washing the city off with a wave or destroying the YaBCh! request
    Or is the author of a common man in the issue of a retaliatory strike against the United States? bully
    "could afford to abolish the death penalty in the USSR in general. The lesson was learned."
    what nonsense! bully
    “With regard to miscarriage of justice, the likelihood of a medical error, for example, when conducting a complex operation is much higher. Will we ban?”
    it seems the author to write nonsense and demagoguery is the norm! Doctors make a mistake in saving a person! sometimes there is no choice ... but the law enforcement system tends to chop sticks under the yoke of manuals ....
    “With this, and only this, millions of normal people will be truly protected.”
    if the author or people close to him get under the law enforcement machine - let's see ... remind him of the imperfection of this - as recently a guy threw drugs or a former Rosgvardeyts planted .... hi
    Well, or what kind of Chikatilo, two innocent people were shot ...
    By the way - life imprisonment is no longer humane ... request
    “Russian society may well, using this moment, demand fair protection for itself and its children” justice is a very vague thing - legality is needed ...
  • then 7 February 2020 13: 29 New
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    If the state in its main law declares the Right to Life, then the debate on the introduction of the death penalty is not appropriate. Otherwise, why do we need such a state.
    The effectiveness of state power does not depend on the presence or absence of the death penalty, and inevitability punishments for crimes committed.
  • Old26 7 February 2020 14: 05 New
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    Quote: Cut Samshitov
    Let the bloodthirsty aftyr remember how many people were convicted in the Chikatilo case. There, too, they shouted, "It’s clear, to shoot like dogs." Another thing should not be the possibility of parole in a number of articles.

    The author is not bloodthirsty. He voices what is simply not being spoken from the stands. Mistakes of course can be. But what prevents to take at least the experience of Americans who do not execute most often immediately after the sentencing. And the condemned person can wait for execution both 5 years and 10. What, is it difficult to amend the Criminal Code on a temporary moratorium? Suppose the period between sentencing and enforcement is set for example 5 years. During this time, they will be able to file an appeal and obtain a review of the case if new facts come up.
  • NF68 7 February 2020 16: 19 New
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    It would be better to give lifelong and at the same time to work in full growth. A fun and varied life of such inmates is regularly shown on the DH. As a warning to others, you look, and at least some benefit from this will be.
  • Tochilka 10 February 2020 13: 16 New
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    I propose to attach to the article the opportunity to vote on this issue. Everything will be clear. Himself for the return of VMN.
  • fif21 13 February 2020 21: 45 New
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    In connection with the aggravation of the class struggle, I am against the death penalty. The authorities will easily let people wanting to fight the regime through non-constitutional methods to an article on terrorism. hi
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    PMSM Russophobic terrorists need to be tied in a special machine so that every Russian man can come and put a knobby stick in his ass. Well, the death of relatives to the 7th tribe, and the national community decimation.