Domestic T-72B3 in comparison with the Ukrainian T-72AMT. What did the experts of the Russian Arms miscalculate?


A week earlier announced by the Ukrainian resource depo.ua, the start of deliveries to the combat units of the APU of the deeply modernized T-72AMT MBTs did not become the subject of close attention on the part of domestic news and military-analytical portals. And this is not surprising, because the information received from informed sources in the defense ministry was “independent” and was published in a characteristic manner embellished to the bone with anti-Russian political and military observer Ruslan Rudomsky, who gained fame in the Ukrainian media space in the wake of the escalation events that took place in the Donbass over the past 5 years.


Over the past few years, this pseudo-expert presents with an enviable regularity for consideration by an uninformed Ukrainian audience a distorted picture of the operational and tactical situation in the Donbass theater, attributing to the Ukrainian paramilitary forces nonexistent “breakthroughs”, which consist in “occupying strategically important dominant heights near Gorlovka”, then the implementation of “successful offensive throws in the direction of the cemetery, located on a hill between n.a. Noises and South ”, then in successful operations against the 1st and 2nd army corps of the LPR in the Novo-Azov and Debaltsev operational directions in the area of ​​the“ gray zone ”.

Moreover, early information about the start of firing tests and the upcoming operational readiness of the modernized main combat tanks T-72AMT (an updated version of the T-72A removed from conservation), published back in August 2018, was already becoming food for thought by experts of the rg.ru portal (Russian weapon”) As part of the preparation of the notorious comparative review“ T-72B3 vs T-72AMT: Russian and Ukrainian tanks were compared in Vietnam ”.

The authors of this material, Alexei Brusilov and Alexey Moiseev, tried to refute the opinion of Vietnamese colleagues expressed in a similar review on the Vietnamese portal baodatviet.vn about the maximum compliance of the main battle tank T-72AMT with the criterion of "cost-effectiveness" in comparison with the Russian T-72B3 of the 2016 model Noting the significant lag of the brainchild of the state enterprise “Kiev Armored Plant” both in terms of the level of optoelectronic architecture of sighting systems and the tank information and control system, and on the level of bronezaschischonnosti feathered armor-piercing shells and cumulative, and firepower.

Advanced weapons control system and dubious armor protection: what does the T-72B3 tank fleet need?


Indeed, the Ukrainian version of the modernization of the T-72A is not able to oppose the armaments of the T-72B3 that are in service with the Russian army. 2016, not a single technological “trump card”, consisting either in a more advanced weapon, or in a wider list of optoelectronic sighting devices, or in the integration of a more advanced tank information-control system with additional adjustments for a more filigree implementation of firing modes. In particular, despite the equipping of the observation devices of the TKN-3UM commander and night vision devices of the driver TNK-72 / TVN-4BUP with the 3rd generation electron-optical converters, the T-72AMT drill rigs are still equipped with outdated night sighting systems gunner 1K13-49 "Neman" with a target detection range of the type "tank" no more than 1200 m at night (in active mode, using an IR illuminator) and about 500-600 m (in passive mode, without using IR spotlight), while the T-72B3 mod. 2016 can boast of the presence of modern multi-channel gunner’s sights “Sosna-U”, providing duplicate control of the armament of tanks both through gunner’s terminals and with the help of automated workplaces of vehicle commanders. And all this at a range of about 2700-3000 m at night.

As you can see, the technological gap between the SLAs of both machines is very substantial. So, at first glance, the information voiced by Ruslan Rudomsky about the start of deliveries to the APU of the updated T-72AMT has practically no specific weight in either the information or operational tactical planes.

Nevertheless, there is one more parameter, according to which the Ukrainian modification of the T-72AMT is practically not inferior to the T-72B3 mod. 2016 and, unfortunately, significantly surpasses the T-64BV and T-72A / AB / B / B1, which are in service with motorized rifle units of the 1st and 2nd army corps of the NM of Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics and equipped with the Contact-1 DZ /5". We are talking about equivalent resistance to armor-piercing feathered subcaliber and cumulative projectiles in the frontal projection. An objective assessment of this particular parameter was not able to properly conduct the journalists of the publication "Russian weapons" Alexei Brusilov and Alexei Moiseev.

Considering the fact that the physical dimension of the frontal armor plates of the T-72AMT tower (identical to the dimensions of the Object 176 tower, the early T-72AMT) is represented by a 3-layer barrier based on the outer and rear steel armor plates with a central special armor package of sand rods with a total equivalent resistance to BOPS of 500 mm, the placement of additional elements of dynamic protection HSChKV-19/34 “Knife” on the frontal armor plates forming increases the resistance to kinetic cores of BOPS to 800–850 mm, which not only meets, but also exceeds about the level of armor protection T-72B3 arr. 2016, the front projection of which is still covered by elements of the “Contact-4” dynamic protection 22C5.

As you know, due to the implementation of a more effective method of counteraction by means of flat cumulative jets, the EDZ hschkv-19/34 “Knife” provides a 90% reduction in the kinetic energy of the cores of armor-piercing shells, while the 4C22 modules of dynamic protection “Contact-5” using the principle of throwable metal plates, provide only a 20% reduction in armor penetration BPS. It is logical to assume that the T-72B3's frontal projection equivalent resistance from BPS is at 650 mm, barely providing protection against the obsolete American 120-mm M829A1 BPS. Moreover, it is well known that there are impressive 5-70 mm gaps between the "wedge-shaped arches" of the elements of Contact-80 DZ, which even the good old ZBM-33 "Vant" and ZBM-44 "Mango" can penetrate into all the ensuing consequences; especially in the case of getting into the most vulnerable area near the mask of the gun.

Conclusion: the most effective method of increasing the armor protection of modernized domestic MBTs of the T-72B family in the frontal projection is to equip the Relic dynamic protection elements 4C23 tightly adjacent to each other, reducing the “piercing” capabilities of kinetic projectiles by at least 50%. A similar concept was implemented in the unique T-72B “Slingshot” project, which has not reached operational operational readiness for ten years since the field tests of the first prototype.
Ctrl Enter

Noticed a mistake Highlight text and press. Ctrl + Enter

82 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Finches 7 February 2020 06: 08 New
    • 20
    • 9
    +11
    Срочную службу служил оператором-наводчиком танка Т-72...Первая любовь, можно сказать и к машине и к армии растянувшаяся на всю жизнь! Автор молодца - все так грамотно расписал, что только и остается в очередной раз c сожалением заявить исключительно про украинцев - послал же бог братьев...
    1. revnagan 7 February 2020 09: 57 New
      • 10
      • 41
      -31
      Quote: Finches
      it only remains once again to express regret exclusively about the Ukrainians - God sent the brothers ...

      Well, do yourself a blood transfusion. Or publicly (as in times of repression) renounce. It’s business. Moreover, they don’t consider you brothers.
      1. Finches 7 February 2020 10: 01 New
        • 29
        • 2
        +27
        Yes, I would be happy, but I have a lot of relatives there! Including brothers and sisters ... And relatives, as they say do not choose laughing
      2. Galina schreder 7 February 2020 16: 20 New
        • 7
        • 4
        +3
        So the Ukrainians themselves have already disowned. Which was the reason why Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe and this is a FACT
        1. antique 11 February 2020 11: 59 New
          • 0
          • 0
          0
          Почему то минимальная зарплата на нищей Украине, на несколько долларов , превышает минимальную зарплату в России. А у нас как бы и нефть и газ. И золото с алмазами, да и никель с калием тоже. И рывок опять же. И времени на раскачку снова нет.
      3. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 7 February 2020 17: 01 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        And you, Cossack?
  2. svp67 7 February 2020 06: 17 New
    • 16
    • 4
    +12
    T-72AMT drill rigs are still equipped with obsolete night sighting systems of the gunner 1K13-49 Neman with a range of target detection of a tank type of not more than 1200 m at night (in active mode, when using an IR illuminator) and about 500 —600 m (in passive mode, without using an IR illuminator)
    Но кто сказал, что на его месте не может появиться 1К13 МБТ производства одной из киевских частных компаний. Он позволяет обнаруживать цель типа "танк" на дальности в 5000 м и распознавать на дистанции в 2500 м. Особенностью данного прицела является возможность применять управляемую ракету в ночных условиях (дальность до 4800 м).
    1. The leader of the Redskins 7 February 2020 08: 50 New
      • 4
      • 5
      -1
      С языка сняли - на днях читал об оптических разработках для БТВТ Ukrainian. специалистов, но так как сам мех вод, то только "пробежался" глазами - все равно мало что в этом понимаю...
    2. Uncle Izya 7 February 2020 09: 05 New
      • 7
      • 9
      -2
      There everything is collapsed in Ukraine, they are not able to do them, they will buy sights from oj Peleng in Minsk
    3. Constanty 7 February 2020 10: 48 New
      • 8
      • 4
      +4
      Of course it can. Only this is a possible future.

      The real one is that the Russian T-72B3 mod of 2016 hits the head of the Ukrainian T-72AMT.
      1. Zabvo 7 February 2020 11: 03 New
        • 9
        • 6
        +3
        You have found a comparison. I do not think that someone in their right mind with 404 will compare their T 72 and our B3. It is also clear that the B3 is better in many ways. B3 must be compared with abrashkami and "catch up" with them, and not the next drink with 404.
    4. Mazuta 7 February 2020 19: 43 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      For svp67 (Sergey)
      Probably, maybe it will not be the T-72AMT anymore ...
    5. Alekseev 7 February 2020 22: 13 New
      • 3
      • 1
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      who said that 1K13 cannot appear in his place

      hi
      Quite right, aiming and surveillance devices and other elements of the LMS can be replaced by more advanced ones without much difficulty on various modifications of the 72-ek.
      Here the main quality of specific products, which cannot be recognized without the practical operation of a tank equipped with them.
      The diesel in the Ukrainian version was replaced, apparently, if necessary, for lack of a B-92 or B-84. Not the best option, but you can use such a machine.
      About security, i.e. the effectiveness of DZ, without practical tests, you can’t say anything either.
      The quality of modernization is again a question: either at the level of the Iraqi BTR-4, or normal.
      In general, a difficult comparison ...
      А in theory, according to their combat capabilities, approximately equal MBT.
      1. svp67 8 February 2020 03: 33 New
        • 3
        • 0
        +3
        hi
        Quote: Alekseev
        But in theory, in terms of their combat capabilities, they are approximately equal to MBT.

        I rate this upgraded tank at T-72B1. Nevertheless, the level of armor protection of the original T-72A is lower than that of "B". And the “Doublet”, although it raises it, but it’s actually one time.
        But the means of communication in the Ukrainian tank is better. Overbought from the Turks "Motorola" has higher characteristics than our R-163 and even more so the R-173, but the new R-168 on tanks, offensively little
  3. riwas 7 February 2020 06: 25 New
    • 2
    • 0
    +2
    in a characteristic manner embellished to the bone marrow

    This is true and applies not only to this Ukrainian tank, but the T-72-120.
    https://vestnik-rm.ru/news/oborona-i-bezopasnost/na-ukraine-reshili-vozrodit-sozdannyj-20-let-nazad-t-72-120
    1. Constanty 7 February 2020 10: 59 New
      • 1
      • 2
      -1
      T-72-120 or T-84-120 "Yatagan" these were interesting concepts. T-72B3 with a gun 2A82-1M and such a tower with a machine gun in a niche and the capabilities of the tank will increase immeasurably.
      Crew safety is also due to the removal of AZ from the hull.
      1. Usher 7 February 2020 14: 23 New
        • 2
        • 1
        +1
        Quote: Constanty
        T-72-120 or T-84-120 "Yatagan" these were interesting concepts. T-72B3 with a gun 2A82-1M and such a tower with a machine gun in a niche and the capabilities of the tank will increase immeasurably.
        Crew safety is also due to the removal of AZ from the hull.

        And what's the point? From the hull to the tower. More often flies into the tower, corny from the fact that it is at the top)
        1. Constanty 8 February 2020 11: 58 New
          • 1
          • 1
          0
          the ammunition depot would be in the back of the tower, in a niche, and could be fenced off by a partition, as in Abrams. An explosion of ammunition in a tower will not necessarily mean the destruction of the entire tank and crew, as in the case of an explosion of ammunition in a conventional AZ.
          However, the most important thing is that such a machine will allow you to use any length of BOPS.
          1. Usher 12 February 2020 07: 24 New
            • 0
            • 0
            0
            Quote: Constanty
            the ammunition depot would be in the back of the tower, in a niche, and could be fenced off by a partition, as in Abrams. An explosion of ammunition in a tower will not necessarily mean the destruction of the entire tank and crew, as in the case of an explosion of ammunition in a conventional AZ.
            However, the most important thing is that such a machine will allow you to use any length of BOPS.

            Well, say so. Only such a AZ has a minus, a small capacity, only charge from the outside.
            1. Constanty 12 February 2020 08: 02 New
              • 2
              • 0
              +2
              AZ Leclerc has a capacity of 22 cannon shells. As much as the usual AZ T-72.
  4. sen
    sen 7 February 2020 06: 32 New
    • 5
    • 0
    +5
    As you know, due to the implementation of a more effective method of counteraction by means of flat cumulative jets, the EDZ hschkv-19/34 “Knife” provides a 90% reduction in the kinetic energy of the cores of armor-piercing shells, while the 4C22 modules of dynamic protection “Contact-5” using the principle of throwable metal plates, provide only a 20% reduction in armor penetration BPS.

    And that ours cannot come up with something like that?
    1. Vladimir_2U 7 February 2020 07: 11 New
      • 3
      • 0
      +3
      is equipping elements 4С23 of the Relict dynamic protection tightly adjacent to each other, reducing the “penetrative” abilities of kinetic shells by at least 50%
      We’ve come up with it already, haven’t bothered to install it, I hope so far.
      1. sen
        sen 7 February 2020 08: 13 New
        • 2
        • 1
        +1
        So 50% is not 90%.
        1. Vladimir_2U 7 February 2020 08: 22 New
          • 2
          • 1
          +1
          But not 20%, which is at least twice as good.
    2. Alex 2020 7 February 2020 07: 48 New
      • 21
      • 21
      0
      They can and are better, but all the money goes to more needed temples.
      1. Nick 7 February 2020 10: 09 New
        • 9
        • 21
        -12
        Quote: Alex 2020
        They can and are better, but all the money goes to more needed temples.

        Temples are needed most of all, it’s true, a lot of the state destroyed them in the 20-30s of the last century. But, unfortunately, their construction is carried out not at the expense of the state budget, but on the donations of ordinary indifferent citizens and enterprises. For this, the state finances all anti-Russian scum, such as Moscow echoes akhov.
        1. Usher 7 February 2020 14: 22 New
          • 10
          • 7
          +3
          Quote: Nick
          Quote: Alex 2020
          They can and are better, but all the money goes to more needed temples.

          Temples are needed most of all, it’s true, a lot of the state destroyed them in the 20-30s of the last century. But, unfortunately, their construction is carried out not at the expense of the state budget, but on the donations of ordinary indifferent citizens and enterprises. For this, the state finances all anti-Russian scum, such as Moscow echoes akhov.

          I don’t understand how temples will help people? That patriarchs would drive on Mercedes, thanks is not necessary.
          1. Nick 8 February 2020 00: 59 New
            • 4
            • 12
            -8
            Quote: Usher
            I don’t understand how temples will help people?

            The temple is the house of God. The temple is the center of our spiritual life. It accomplishes our spiritual birth and development, achieving the goal of our life; here we take the Communion, which gives eternal life, we receive God's blessing and help for family life, we are healed of various diseases of our souls and bodies, we offer prayers to God in all our needs and life circumstances, we receive blessings for success in all our good undertakings; here we are escorted to the afterlife.
            However, a person under the rule of demons, temples enrage.
            And the golden domes
            Someone had a black eye blinded:
            You annoyed the forces of evil
            And it’s obvious that she’s brought them down,
            What decided to blind you

            Once upon a time I. Talkov sang.
            Quote: Usher
            That patriarchs would drive on Mercedes, thanks is not necessary.

            Envy.
            1. Siberian54 8 February 2020 11: 00 New
              • 7
              • 2
              +5
              And why, from my taxes, will someone build church buildings for the longest-running business reform in modern civilization?
              1. Nick 8 February 2020 11: 09 New
                • 1
                • 5
                -4
                Quote: Siberian54
                And why, from my taxes, will someone build church buildings for the longest-running business reform in modern civilization?

                Once again, for those who are especially understanding, I repeat: churches are built not at the expense of taxes, but at the expense of voluntary donations of citizens and organizations. Although I believe that the state is heavily indebted to believers, destroying many thousands of churches in the 20th century, repressing tens of thousands of Orthodox clergy and parishioners, as well as believers of other faiths traditional for Russia. Therefore, it would not be a sin for the state to compensate millions of believing citizens and the Church for moral and material damage.
                1. Siberian54 21 February 2020 06: 32 New
                  • 0
                  • 0
                  0
                  In the same way, a certain Petya sent the first bells to the cannons .. So did the Jewish circle of Stalin put the treasures of the churchmen to the needs of the country and citizens ..
            2. bk0010 8 February 2020 12: 30 New
              • 4
              • 2
              +2
              Quote: Nick
              Envy.
              Here is the argument! Yes, even if so, then what? How will this change the fact that the patriarch made a vow of poverty, while he himself travels with protection on a Merc?
              1. Nick 8 February 2020 12: 34 New
                • 1
                • 5
                -4
                Quote: bk0010
                Quote: Nick
                Envy.
                Here is the argument! Yes, even if so, then what? How will this change the fact that the patriarch made a vow of poverty, while he himself travels with protection on a Merc?

                So he is poor. Nothing belongs to him. And transport and security are provided to him in connection with official need
                1. bk0010 8 February 2020 12: 37 New
                  • 4
                  • 1
                  +3
                  Well, yes, neither a ponto clock, nor a summer house in the reserve, nor a yacht, nor an apartment with nanodusts ... Quite poor, yeah. The officials and the oligarchs are all also on the dummies and dummies recorded, they are poor?
                  1. Nick 8 February 2020 12: 43 New
                    • 1
                    • 7
                    -6
                    Quote: bk0010
                    Well, yes, neither a ponto clock, nor a summer house in the reserve, nor a yacht, nor an apartment with nanodusts ... Quite poor, yeah. The officials and the oligarchs are all also on the dummies and dummies recorded, they are poor?

                    Envy is a bad feeling, sinful. I recommend not to read fakes about the property status of third parties, especially since they either exaggerate or lie. And your psyche suffers because of this.
                    Take care of yourself. hi
                    1. bk0010 8 February 2020 12: 46 New
                      • 4
                      • 1
                      +3
                      Quote: Nick
                      Envy is a bad feeling, sinful.
                      Well, here you are again about envy. In conversations with believers about their patriarch, they have no other arguments (well, except "Not your business" yet)
                      1. Nick 8 February 2020 13: 33 New
                        • 0
                        • 6
                        -6
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Well, here you are again about envy.

                        I'm talking about your demon envy.
                      2. bk0010 8 February 2020 21: 03 New
                        • 5
                        • 2
                        +3
                        Quote: Nick
                        I'm talking about your demon envy.
                        Mine? Well, you, demons only happen to believers. In the imagination.
                      3. Nick 9 February 2020 10: 42 New
                        • 0
                        • 4
                        -4
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Quote: Nick
                        I'm talking about your demon envy.
                        Mine? Well, you, demons only happen to believers. In the imagination.

                        Jealousy, one of the manifestations of pride, the Lord did not give to man, it is from demons. Yes, and church people may have envy. Everyone is sinful, because humanity is damaged by the original sin of our forefather, Adam. But church believers have an advantage; the Lord helps them through prayers.
                      4. bk0010 9 February 2020 10: 46 New
                        • 3
                        • 1
                        +2
                        Quote: Nick
                        Envy, one of the manifestations of pride
                        Here from here in more detail, please: envy and pride are antagonists. You simply customize your words to a counter (Catholic, by the way, in Orthodoxy does not have this) about mortal sins.
                      5. Nick 9 February 2020 11: 36 New
                        • 0
                        • 2
                        -2

                        Any sin can be mortal if a person does not repent of it and continues to commit.
                        But one sin can surely be called mortal - the sin of suicide. After him, a person can no longer repent of his commission.
                      6. bk0010 9 February 2020 17: 14 New
                        • 3
                        • 0
                        +3
                        Wrong picture: what pride can one who is jealous of? Anger - yes, but anger can be caused by a bunch of reasons. Speaking of greed, the patriarch lost something to this sin and does not repent, but, on the contrary, fell into the sin of money-grubbing. He must set an example.
                      7. Nick 9 February 2020 17: 25 New
                        • 0
                        • 4
                        -4
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Wrong picture: what pride can one who is jealous of? Anger - yes, but anger can be caused by a bunch of reasons.

                        Or maybe you just don’t understand something?
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Speaking of greed, the patriarch lost something to this sin and does not repent, but, on the contrary, fell into the sin of money-grubbing.

                        How do you know that? Do you have the gift of perspicacity?

                        Quote: bk0010
                        He must set an example.

                        The patriarch sets an example of Faith in God, regularly performs divine services in temples, prays and preaches the Word of God. But to my surprise, not everyone follows his example.
                        Вы вот часто в храме молитесь? Да и вообще вы молитесь по примеру Патриарха?
                      8. bk0010 9 February 2020 20: 59 New
                        • 1
                        • 1
                        0
                        [quote = Nick] Or maybe you just don’t understand something? [/ Quote] Perhaps, but unlikely. Do you have any reasons?
                        [quote = Nick] How do you know this? Do you have the gift of perspicacity? [/ Quote] I have the gift of reading. After his famous sermon on asceticism in expensive watches, he did not repent anywhere, but erased the clock from a photograph with Photoshop (he erased it ineptly, but these are details).
                        [quote = Nick] The Patriarch sets an example of Faith in God, regularly worships in temples, prays and preaches the Word of God. But to my surprise, not everyone follows his example.
                        Do you often pray in the temple? Anyway, do you pray following the example of the Patriarch? / Quote] No, of course. I’m explaining that he should set an example, and he talks about what should be. Do you feel the difference between “Do as I do” and “Do as I say”?
                      9. Nick 10 February 2020 00: 10 New
                        • 0
                        • 4
                        -4
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Do you feel the difference between “Do as I do” and “Do as I say”?

                        The patriarch, unlike you, prays. Do as he does. And do not drag the clock. Whether they were or not doesn’t matter. Without sin, only our Lord, Jesus Christ, and people are sinful by their nature. Only some try to get rid of demonic sinful passions, with God's help saving their immortal soul, while others indulge passions, do not fight with them, but go into all their grave, amusing demonic offspring.
                      10. bk0010 10 February 2020 22: 22 New
                        • 1
                        • 1
                        0
                        Quote: Nick
                        The patriarch, unlike you, prays. Do as he does.
                        What for? No, I know the theory, you clarify the physics of the process.
                      11. Nick 11 February 2020 09: 53 New
                        • 0
                        • 0
                        0
                        Quote: bk0010
                        What for? No, I know the theory, you clarify the physics of the process.

                        Physics cognizes the material world. Tools for cognition of the Spiritual World, which is not material in our understanding, cannot be studied using the tools of physical science. In short, it must be understood that there is some difference between physics and metaphysics. Although in the material world there are things that neither you nor I can fully comprehend. For example, an electron, an object, although very small, but quite material, but how it manages to be in a superposition state, at the same time in several places, it is impossible to fully comprehend. Obviously, the laws of space-time, even on matter, do not act the same way.
                    2. Usher 12 February 2020 07: 44 New
                      • 0
                      • 0
                      0
                      Whether they were or not

                      It is important, it is very important. You contradict yourself. People donate to the church not for the watch to the patriarch.
                    3. Nick 13 February 2020 10: 16 New
                      • 0
                      • 1
                      -1
                      Quote: Usher
                      Whether they were or not

                      It is important, it is very important. You contradict yourself. People donate to the church not for the watch to the patriarch.

                      I’m even sure that some parishioners donate their watches to the Patriarch. Only it doesn’t matter. What matters is what the Patriarch does. Your priorities are set incorrectly. The main thing is that the Patriarch, serving the Lord, prays for the well-being of the country, the Orthodox people, and the World, and what hours he uses during the service.
                    4. Usher 7 March 2020 12: 18 New
                      • 0
                      • 0
                      0
                      Quote: Nick
                      Quote: Usher
                      Whether they were or not

                      It is important, it is very important. You contradict yourself. People donate to the church not for the watch to the patriarch.

                      I’m even sure that some parishioners donate their watches to the Patriarch. Only it doesn’t matter. What matters is what the Patriarch does. Your priorities are set incorrectly. The main thing is that the Patriarch, serving the Lord, prays for the well-being of the country, the Orthodox people, and the World, and what hours he uses during the service.

                      You again leave the answer, I WILL REPEAT IT ONCE AGAIN, it is important !!!! This is called LYCEPHEMY. Do you know such a SIN ???? What kind of a believer are you when a religious leader himself violates all prohibitions and vows. Here you are arrogant. Just scammers.
            3. Usher 12 February 2020 07: 43 New
              • 0
              • 0
              0
              Quote: Nick
              How do you know that? Do you have the gift of perspicacity?

              I have a gift of nature, vision and hearing. I am not blind and not deaf. And I see how the patriarchs live. And here envy and pride. With these words, you simply move away from an uncomfortable topic.
              And just a question. Prove the existence of God, without these your lyric phrases, and the like dogmatic nonsense. Just prove it. If you can’t, the price of your verbiage is worthless. Faith is needed for a person not for spirituality, but for ethics. That is culture. Spirituality is brought up in the family. Not in the temple. And a person should always think critically, and not perceive everything in the forehead. But do not go too far. When there is interrelated evidence to perceive. Like the laws of physics, chemistry, mathematics. If they were not true, then neither you nor I would write to each other.
            4. Nick 13 February 2020 10: 23 New
              • 0
              • 0
              0
              Quote: Usher
              I have a gift of nature, vision and hearing.

              This is not a gift of nature, but a gift of God, here is the proof for you. Nature is also created by someone. Creation presupposes the existence of a Creator. If you are not friends with logic, then to prove to you that either is not possible.
            5. Usher 15 March 2020 07: 20 New
              • 0
              • 0
              0
              Why did you decide that nature was created by someone?
              Creation assumes the existence of a Creator
              This is true of artificial objects.
              And you AGAIN left the answer about patriarchs and their magnificent life? Waiting for an explanation, and no excuses.
            6. Nick 21 March 2020 14: 52 New
              • 0
              • 0
              0
              Quote: Usher
              this is true about artificial objects

              Naturally. Create the World is an art inaccessible to anyone but God.
              Quote: Usher
              And you AGAIN left the answer about patriarchs and their magnificent life? Waiting for an explanation, and no excuses.

              I am not familiar with the personal life of the Patriarch, and I can’t say anything about his living conditions, but I hope that they are worthy of the Head of the world's largest Russian Orthodox Church. I hope that the conditions of life help him in great work, for the benefit of the flock, for the benefit of Russia and the whole World. Lord help our Patriarch in his Great Service! Amen!.
  • telobezumnoe 9 February 2020 02: 15 New
    • 3
    • 1
    +2
    remembered so many virtual services, and how necessary they are, that without them you won’t feel full)) real marketing, and as always the first dose of opium for the people is free .. the main thing is to come back more often, use the services and don’t be greedy))
  • Cowbra 7 February 2020 09: 52 New
    • 8
    • 0
    +8
    As far as I remember, there is a big question whether the Knife can work on cumulative ammunition. But in theory he is not capable of acting on the shock core
    1. riwas 7 February 2020 14: 05 New
      • 3
      • 0
      +3
      Here is a comparison of the Ukrainian DZ "Duplet" with our DZ.
      https://www.arms-expo.ru/news/perspektivnye-razrabotki/dinamicheskaya-zashchita-duplet-put-v-tupik/
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin 7 February 2020 18: 58 New
    • 4
    • 0
    +4
    "Knife" is an old Soviet development, if I am not mistaken of some Leningrad design bureau, back then it was recognized as not effective. In Ukraine, that project was reanimated, plus they thought of placing it in two “doublet” layers, but there are rumors that in the Donbass, these remote sensing zones did not show themselves very well.
  • avdkrd 8 February 2020 04: 30 New
    • 2
    • 0
    +2
    Big doubts about the 90% reduction in the "Knife". Very big. In the Donbass, the knife showed itself from a completely different perspective. Its detonation disabled the tanks completely. At VO there was material about this.
  • user1212 8 February 2020 05: 37 New
    • 2
    • 0
    +2
    Quote: sen
    And that ours cannot come up with something like that?

    So ours is not for advertising, but for real protection of the tank. If the “Knife” were effective from BOPS up to 90%, then probably the world leaders in tank building would use similar DZs and work to overcome it. Do you really think that such tank-building powers as Russia, the USA, Germany, Israel jumped over Ukraine?
    To begin with, the “Knife”, due to a charge greater than Contact 5, is prone to group detonation or detachment of neighboring blocks during detonation. “Geniuses” cannot even solve this problem, but they tell tales about fantastic 90%. The knife weighs slightly more both due to charges, and due to more durable fastening, which does not save from "landing" or undermining of blocks during detonation. In December 2017, the former deputy commander of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces for Logistics, Major General Yuri Tolochnoy, said: “Some modernization options [of armored vehicles] are unsuccessful in real combat. For example, the T-64BM Bulat tanks (with DZ Knife and 850 hp), due to their heavy weight and weak engine, were ineffective, were transferred to the reserve, and replaced with linear T-64 (BV with contact 5 and 700 l. with.) Strange, right? Despite the fact that the “tabular” specific power is 16.5-18.9 hp. Bulat is leading. Damantsev, which is actually not new, gives only a point of view that is convenient for him, but according to other estimates, the Knife is a futile development, the concept of which our Steel Research Institute refused in the 60s.
  • Amateur 7 February 2020 06: 48 New
    • 17
    • 9
    +8
    Another set of phrases from E. Damantsev.
  • The comment was deleted.
  • Yrec 7 February 2020 09: 43 New
    • 15
    • 2
    +13
    Again Damantsev rides on his favorite skate - compares the numbers from the declared performance characteristics. A tank, like any other armored vehicles, is a much more complex thing than just a combat unit. It must be produced, delivered, trained by the crew, during operation to be repaired and restored, to make up for losses at the necessary pace. The tank is directly involved in the battle 1-5% of its life cycle in the war and its main task is to be combat-ready. The coolness of electronics in the war fades into the background. During the Second World War, the German tank Panther was much cooler than the T-34 in all respects, except for maintainability and reproducibility by the industry, and lost outright. This is the economy of war, riveted - soaked. If you don’t have the opportunity to "rivet" more opponents, no "wunderwaffles" will save you.
    1. Captain Pushkin 7 February 2020 15: 40 New
      • 3
      • 1
      +2
      Quote: Yrec
      If you don’t have the opportunity to "rivet" more opponents, no "wunderwaffles" will save you.

      Ещё Наполеон говорил, что побеждают "большие батальоны", т.е. большие резервы.
  • Usher 7 February 2020 14: 20 New
    • 3
    • 0
    +3
    Somewhere I read with ghostly drawings that "Knife" is bullshit? Like if the projectile hits the edge of the plate, then the sense of it is generally zero. Unlike K 1/5
  • pepel79 7 February 2020 15: 16 New
    • 4
    • 0
    +4

    Я не особо люблю обсуждать статьи и написанную в них нелепость, но вот, что касается всяких там "Ножей" и "заслонов", ну просто не выдерживаю... Вы правда считаете, что вот эта свечка от геморроя ...
    able to cut a modern core of tungsten or uranium having a speed of the order of 1400-1500 m.s. at a distance of 2000 meters. What 90% reduction in the kinetic energy of the cores says the author ...
    Да есть видео с испытаний, ток что за пистон в нем использовался и насколько уменьшен пороховой заряд, для имитации скорости на 2000 метров неизвестно. Доверие эт хорошо, но слепо интернету, не включая мозг... Абрамсы тоже неуязвимы против 125 мм. laughing
  • KVU-NSVD 7 February 2020 15: 45 New
    • 8
    • 1
    +7
    Damantsev was nothing to write about? B3 is in the army, and AMT will remain in the discourse of the various Rudom people there, with unspent wet dreams of the Ukrainian tank industry ...
  • Mazuta 7 February 2020 19: 40 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    As it turns out, everything is simple !!!
    Put "... EDZ HSChKV-19/34" Knife "...", added a layer of airborne defense and EVERYTHING !!! (90% + 20%)
    Reservation is possible at reception points ...
    The author is not afraid to collapse world prices for metals?
  • iouris 7 February 2020 22: 55 New
    • 0
    • 1
    -1
    Quote: "... information about the start of deliveries to the APU of the updated T-72AMT practically has no specific weight in either the information or operational tactical planes." The end of the quote.
    Slow down, please - write it down!
  • Pastor 8 February 2020 07: 22 New
    • 2
    • 0
    +2
    Я не танкист, и даже не играю. Но статья доступная, насыщенная и понятная. А что касается ЛДНР, то создать один танк и запустить серию, а тем более в нужном для танковой войны количестве, то Украине это вряд ли по силам. В любом случае, лучше пусть сражаются дипломаты, а пушки молчат.
  • alavrin 8 February 2020 07: 39 New
    • 2
    • 0
    +2
    Article, at least debatable, and on the topic. And then in VO already the news of car dealerships began to publish ...
    But in fact - the author forgot to mention the capabilities of the tank industry of Ukraine as such. As far as I know, they were not able to put Oplot on the stream, concentrating on Bulat because of the lack of funds and unresolved technological problems. And on what site they will collect these very AMTs - apparently Rudomsky himself does not know.
  • Fishery 8 February 2020 16: 45 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Well, judging by the chronicles and photos, most of the tanks in this conflict are killed by mines, and artillery striking over squares, therefore, in principle, what kind of armor protection does 72 have is a rhetorical question.
  • ANB
    ANB 9 February 2020 01: 52 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    Quote: Nick
    Therefore, it would not be a sin for the state to compensate

    Will the state take it in my pocket?
    No, do it yourself and compensate.
  • Fast_mutant 10 February 2020 09: 23 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Nick
    Do you often pray in the temple? Anyway, do you pray following the example of the Patriarch?

    Personally, I do not need intermediaries to talk with God! And who said that the priests interpret the words of God correctly?
    1. Nick 11 February 2020 10: 03 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      Quote: Fast_mutant
      Quote: Nick
      Do you often pray in the temple? Anyway, do you pray following the example of the Patriarch?

      Personally, I do not need intermediaries to talk with God!

      Are you so holy
      What did God personally tell you during your conversation?
      Quote: Fast_mutant
      And who said that the priests interpret the words of God correctly?

      And who, having the ultimate truth in your opinion, said that the clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church do not interpret the words of the Lord correctly?
      1. The comment was deleted.
  • Snigir 10 February 2020 21: 12 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Interesting comparison.
    A good upgrade came out.
    T-72B3 is still where to modernize soldier
  • Fast_mutant 12 February 2020 13: 05 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Nick
    Are you so holy
    What did God personally tell you during your conversation?

    Yes. I'm so holy.
    I don’t owe anyone a message from God. Even to you, how would you not like this. No?
    1. Nick 13 February 2020 10: 32 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      Quote: Fast_mutant
      Yes. I'm so holy.

      This is not called holiness, but pride.
      Quote: Fast_mutant
      I don’t owe anyone a message from God. Even to you, how would you not like this. No?

      Not required to transmit, but there is no ban.
  • Fast_mutant 12 February 2020 13: 06 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Nick
    And who, having the ultimate truth in your opinion, said that the clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church do not interpret the words of the Lord correctly?

    God told me that. Will you protest HIS words? Well good luck!
    1. Nick 13 February 2020 10: 33 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      Quote: Fast_mutant
      God told me that. Will you protest HIS words? Well good luck!

      Demons whispered to you
  • Fast_mutant 14 February 2020 18: 36 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Nick
    Demons whispered to you

    How do you know? Did your god tell you?
  • Jarserge 15 February 2020 14: 22 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    The main conclusion is that the T-64 at the "tank cemeteries" ended. Since they took on the T-72 (which, according to propagandists, is worse than the T-64, it means they will soon be buying a second-hand tank hand all over the world.
  • Fast_mutant 15 February 2020 16: 20 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Jarserge
    it means that they will soon buy tank second-hand around the world.

    34 matches have already been purchased. )))))