Modern cinema about the war: examples of "mistakes" and other unprofessionalism


The number of films about the Great Patriotic War in recent years has grown significantly. On the one hand, this fact cannot but rejoice: a reference to stories, memory of the Soviet warrior-winner. But there is also a flip side.


Filmmakers, often hoping to make a film faster and more economically, refuse military consultants. In a number of cases, this gives rise to either "mistakes" that are completely harmless, but they are striking, or full-scale fakes and examples of unprofessionalism, from which the viewer is repelled as a "truthful movie".

A video on the SkyArtist YouTube channel dedicated to the conscious and unconscious mistakes of domestic filmmakers in feature films related to the military aviation.

An example is a frame from a film on the TV channel "Russia 1", where pilots go on a combat mission without having threaded belts through special eyes. At the same time, the author cites an episode from the Soviet film "Only Old Men Are Going to the Battle", where everything is in order with the pilot's belts, unlike, in his words, "clowns from the Russia 1 TV channel.

Another blunder - Soviet pilots pass by the graves of fallen comrades. At the same time, crosses are on the graves.

From the SkyArtist video:

In Soviet times, every child knew that crosses were only on enemy graves.


Further, about the confusion of attack aircraft and fighters and other misses of modern Russian cinema about the war.

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  1. Vend 5 February 2020 10: 49 New
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    The bloopers begin with the script, and then the lump only grows, turning the film into something that has no name in Russian.
    1. 1959ain 5 February 2020 11: 01 New
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      Yes, filmmakers don’t give a damn if a film like Kholop collects a billion at the box office, and Pipol hawks, that stoned humor and Mat. Show your finger in lime format and everyone laughs laughing
      1. nickname7 5 February 2020 13: 07 New
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        In fairness, on the much-praised Hollywood, a quarter of all films, outright slag, and a third are mediocrity. For example, the film "Prometheus" is a complete idiocy. They also have fewer good things.
        But apparently abroad, there is a kind of separate genre of "realism" when the emphasis is on details regarding a profession, the actions of the pros themselves can be a sight for the public, and for Roskoshnikov the main method is a clip, a strobe from shot frames, imitating a certain action.
        In the genre of realism, for example, about firefighters, sailors or lawyers, actors or former or internships, professional consultants, or participants in the events are involved. This direction of cinema in the Russian Federation does not exist.
        1. 1959ain 5 February 2020 13: 12 New
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          The size of the Nobel Prize for outstanding discoveries in the field of physics is $ 1,1 million ...
          The fee of actor Jim Parsons for one 20-minute series, where his hero Sheldon receives the Nobel Prize, is $ 0,9 million.
          ... This world is clearly crazy.
        2. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 13: 17 New
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          Quote: nickname7
          In fairness, on the much-praised Hollywood, a quarter of all films, outright slag, and a third are mediocrity.

          No matter how
        3. Nikolai Grek 6 February 2020 00: 30 New
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          Quote: nickname7
          In fairness, on the much-praised Hollywood, a quarter of all films, outright slag, and a third are mediocrity.

          in fairness, there is such a 95% !!! wassat Are there many outstanding Amersk films created during the year ??? and they rivet them there in batches !!! wink
        4. 2 Level Advisor 6 February 2020 13: 49 New
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          10 years ago, I starred in the role of the commander of a partisan detachment, 20 seconds on the screen, they shot the whole day for 3 minutes of the film .. the film is completely low-budget compared to the T-34, it’s just free, consider it an amateur one .. and then! there were consultants who went around everyone, checked their uniforms, awards, grip weapons, how the shutter was distorted, etc.
          And such bloopers in really high-budget films are just a SHAME! and makes you think that their consultant is Mum’s godfather or a garage neighbor who has read two books about WWII ...
    2. tihonmarine 5 February 2020 11: 24 New
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      Quote: Wend
      The bloopers begin with the script, and then the lump only grows, turning the film into something that has no name in Russian.

      For now they’re not staging a feature film about the war, but just something similar to the movie and the war, as the director sees it. And he sees the movie as a means of profit. And how many films came out conveying to us just nonsense. At least take the “Stalingrad” by F. Bondarchuk, or the “Rzhev” by I. Kopylov. And correctly you said it turns out to be a growing com.
    3. Starover_Z 5 February 2020 11: 27 New
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      The original YouTube video explicitly states that now, as in the electronic media on proofreaders, they don’t bother with specialist consultants! They save money for their pockets!
      1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 11: 49 New
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        Quote: Starover_Z
        don't bother with specialist consultants

        Where to get them? They left almost everything .... sad
        1. svp67 5 February 2020 12: 15 New
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          Quote: Lipchanin
          Where to find them?

          There are FULL specialists, it’s just that people are beginning to REQUEST corrections, and this is going beyond the budget and just such excellent experts suspend and refuse his services. Klim Zhukov has a good story about this about making the movie "Viking"
          1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 12: 19 New
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            Quote: svp67
            Specialists FULLY

            I did not mean consultants for textbooks, but who really were in the subject
            1. svp67 5 February 2020 12: 22 New
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              Quote: Lipchanin
              I did not mean consultants for textbooks, but who really were in the subject

              Well, actually, the same Zhukov, the re-enactor, and missed a lot through his hands and the "hump", and besides, he is a certified historian. And now it’s just excellent specialists in weapons, uniforms and tactics, just such people.
              1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 12: 30 New
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                Quote: svp67
                Well, actually, the same Zhukov, the re-enactor, and missed a lot through his hands and the "hump", and besides, he is a certified historian.

                Once again I repeat, get angry.
                I was referring to consultants who fought on those very planes, tanks, led soldiers on the attack.
                Actually served in the MUR, etc.
                I do not consider everything else as consultants.
                You can’t consider yourself a pilot while sitting on the simulator
                1. svp67 5 February 2020 12: 33 New
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                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  You can’t consider yourself a pilot while sitting on the simulator

                  But after going through something that you can understand in that reality, especially since creating everything with your own pens or with personal participation ...
                  1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 12: 35 New
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                    Quote: svp67
                    But after going through something that you can understand in that reality, especially since creating everything with your own pens or with personal participation ...

                    Maybe we will not distort?
                    We are talking about films about the Second World War
                    1. svp67 5 February 2020 12: 37 New
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                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Maybe we will not distort?
                      We are talking about films about the Second World War

                      So reenactors of the Second World War is full. Take the time to see "28 Panfilov", there these guys did a lot ...
                      1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 12: 48 New
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                        Quote: svp67
                        So reenactors of the Second World War is full.

                        The fingers are already sick ...
                        Yes, I'm not going to discuss the qualities of today's consultants. From the word in general
                        I only said one thing: there were no survivors of front-line consultants
                        I am not going to make a movie and I am absolutely indifferent to all your examples.
                        I’ll say the last time.
                        I SAID ONLY THAT THE CONSULTANTS OF THE FRONTERS WERE NOT REMAINING
                        So see?
                      2. Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 15: 52 New
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                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        I SAID ONLY THAT THE CONSULTANTS OF THE FRONTERS WERE NOT REMAINING

                        that is why it is possible to squint in the insignia ?!
                      3. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 16: 10 New
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                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        that is why it is possible to squint in the insignia ?!

                        Yes, therefore, they mow that, which is not the topic, there were no real consultants for the front-line soldiers.
                        Well, how else can you convey my idea ????
                        I don’t know what words to convey.
                        I will try again
                        EVERYBODY BECAUSE BECAUSE NOT REMAINED IN LIVING CONSULTANTS OF FRONTERS !!!!!
                        Maybe that’s so clear?
                      4. Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 16: 14 New
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                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        Yes, therefore, they mow that, which is not the topic, there were no real consultants for the front-line soldiers.

                        you are absolutely wrong, you do not need to be a front-line soldier to know that you could not fly at 43 an-2 or that at 41 you had already "served" the Soviet Union, and not the working people.
                        if you build on your postulate, then any film describing the events of more than 100 years ago is initially wrong because "there are no real contemporary consultants"
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        EVERYBODY BECAUSE BECAUSE NOT REMAINED IN LIVING CONSULTANTS OF FRONTERS !!!!!
                        Maybe that’s so clear?

                        don't scream you're wrong
                      5. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 16: 36 New
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                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        that at 43 an-2 could not fly

                        And where to get a plane from WWII?
                        Ask at least the 25-year-old what AN-2 is and could he fly at 43?
                        if you build on your postulate, then any film describing the events of more than 100 years ago is initially wrong because "there are no real contemporary consultants"

                        I did not initially bother with the details because I have no idea what and how it was.
                        In such films, the plot is important to me
                        don't scream you're wrong

                        In what? Is the war veteran consultant dead?
                      6. Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 16: 38 New
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                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        Ask at least the 25-year-old what AN-2 is and could he fly at 43?

                        you will either forgive or are stubborn or you don’t really understand what you’re talking about; for you, apparently, a hamlet in a jacket is normal
                      7. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 17: 07 New
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                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        you are sorry or stubborn

                        You are stubborn. I just can’t prove that the REAL consultants are gone.
                        And you are pushing some kind of rubbish to me about the Middle Ages and distorting everything.
                        Did you answer the question?
                        I will repeat
                        don't scream you're wrong

                        In what? Is the war veteran consultant dead?

                        And do you think everything is turned upside down correctly?
                        Correctly divert the conversation about mistakes in the films about the Second World War to Hamlet?
                        Initially, I only talked about the fact that the consultants died.
                        But you as an experienced sharpie took me to hell
                      8. Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 17: 13 New
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                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        You are stubborn. I just can’t prove that the REAL consultants are gone.

                        a consultant is not a participant in events, remember once and for all
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        But you as an experienced sharpie took me to hell

                        you don’t need to be taken away; you yourself went into the jungle without understanding what you are talking about, once again the consultant is a person who knows the topic described in the work from the point of view of historical and professional reliability
                      9. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 17: 27 New
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                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        a consultant is not a participant in events, remember once and for all

                        Just awful.
                        Yes, how a THEORETIC can be better in the subject than PRACTICIAN ??????
                        I can read thousands of detective stories, but I will never become a detective.
                        In the days of the USSR, detectives were invited to consultants in films about the police, and not those who wrote the history of the Soviet police
                        Have you seen the movie "Dead Season"? Who was there a consultant know?
                      10. Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 17: 37 New
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                        Do I understand correctly that in the Aivengo film, the main consultant was the spirit of Richard I?
                        once again, especially for you, I’m not a participant in the War, but I know that in 41 they no longer “served” the working people, the main task of the consultant is to achieve a certain truthfulness, that is, the captain cannot wear three capes in his buttonholes, etc., and the screenwriter MUST to study the chronicles and documents of the period of which is narrated, the same applies to dressers and make-up artists
                        cannot fly AN-43 in 2, cannot talk in 41 about a chain reaction, cannot ...
                        and this doesn’t depend on the participation or non-participation in the war, it depends entirely on the professionalism of the team, but now when the time for managers and office plankton is on the little things that accumulate and create a critical mass, none of the film crew even pays attention total clothing, makeup, uniforms, phrases, etc.
                      11. VASILY Z. 11 February 2020 02: 25 New
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                        Barmaleyka, you are wrong, until 25.02.46 was RKKA, until 1943 they served the LABOR PEOPLE. With the introduction of epaulets and new insignia, they began to serve the SOVIET UNION. Read more carefully the special literature.
                      12. Barmaleyka 11 February 2020 08: 16 New
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                        Quote: VASILY Z.
                        until 1943 they served the LABOR PEOPLE. With the introduction of epaulettes and new insignia, they began to serve the SOVIET UNION. Carefully read the special literature.

                        firstly, do not poke; secondly, the introduction of epaulettes and charters; it is from various operettas “I serve the Soviet Union” was introduced in 37 (by order No. 260 of December 21, 1937) in connection with the changes in the Red Army I will not search and bring up screenshots of this charter twice already I did it about three years ago on the same site, interestingly look for yourself
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        KLV 7 February 2020 11: 50 New
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        Please write this: front-line consultants. In your writing, it turns out that the veterans had consultants. So, due to illiteracy or negligence, modern films are also shot, and the idea in Russian cannot be correctly conveyed. I didn’t want to offend you personally, but ...
  • The leader of the Redskins 5 February 2020 13: 30 New
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    Then, according to your logic, films about WWI, the Crimean campaign, 1812, and even more so knights can not be removed from the word AT ALL? There are no peers left ...
    You can and must shoot! But think, watch, consult! Here Bondarchuk "Stalingrad" took off. For technology and weapons do not find fault. The form, as needed ... But I can’t believe it. Why? Because they don’t say that, they didn’t think like they did in this “masterpiece”! And this is not the fault of the actors - as the Director saw!
    And the "Confrontation"? And there are many more ...
    1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 13: 38 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Then, according to your logic, films about WWI, the Crimean campaign, 1812, and even more so knights can not be removed from the word AT ALL?

      Firstly, where did you see such logic? belay
      You can and must shoot!

      Yes who argues
      I just say that the mistakes are because there are no consultants to the front-line soldiers left.
      What am I wrong?
    2. The leader of the Redskins 5 February 2020 13: 39 New
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      So the front-line soldiers of 1812 have been gone for generations ... So, there will be no true consultants?
    3. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 13: 52 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      So the front-line soldiers of 1812 have been gone for generations ... So, there will be no true consultants?

      Can we recall what the article is about?
      What does the year 1812 have to do with it?
      Further, about the confusion of attack aircraft and fighters and other misses of modern Russian cinema about the war.

      That's what the conversation is about.
      There are no frontline consultants who could tell the difference
  • svp67 5 February 2020 22: 37 New
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    Quote: Lipchanin
    I just say that the mistakes are because there are no consultants to the front-line soldiers left.

    You are wrong, mistakes in the form of clothes due to the fact that they do not want to spend money on good and knowledgeable consultants who are now and they are not quite old people, that’s all.
  • BARKHAN 5 February 2020 13: 45 New
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    Maybe we will not distort?

    The namesake, but normally laid out ... Remember only vyser K. Ernst "Viking" .... That's where vomit for 1.25 billion state money.
    1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 13: 55 New
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      Namesake, but okay.

      Yes, I can’t understand what’s the matter.
      He said only mistakes because the consultants of the front-line soldiers weren’t alive as much as wasps, they were bombarded, and it’s not clear what they’re accused of request
    2. Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 15: 54 New
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      Quote: Lipchanin
      He said only mistakes because the consultants of the front-line soldiers were not alive

      You’re wrong, there’s no reason for front-line soldiers, there are chronicles, there are professional military men, delve into, study
    3. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 16: 13 New
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      , there are chronicles, there are professional military

      Well, yes.
      And there are simulators, but for some reason they prefer real cars
    4. Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 16: 16 New
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      And there are simulators, but for some reason they prefer real cars

      in elderberry garden
      did you study the Kulikovo battle at school talking with Peresvet or reading the relevant literature all the same? !!
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      did you study the Kulikovo battle at school talking with Peresvet or reading the relevant literature all the same? !!

      But I have no idea what then went.
      But the conversation is about just such trifles.
      Who better to advise a front-line soldier, or whoever just read about the war?
      Who better to advise a film about pilots, a professional pilot, or a "consultant" who mastered aerobatics on a computer simulator?
      Who will teach you something professional in this, or a “specialist” who has read a lot of books on this topic?
      Who will you go to for treatment to a doctor, or an excellent student?
      Continue?
    6. Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 16: 48 New
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      Quote: Lipchanin
      But I have no idea what then went.

      study chronicles, museum exhibits, etc.
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Who better to advise a film about pilots, a professional pilot, or a "consultant" who mastered aerobatics on a computer simulator?

      you have porridge in your head, including consultants who invite historians and professionals in the matter about which the film is being shot, well, earlier, in any case, they invited you, if you are interested, read the interview. Druzhinina about how she made films
    7. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 17: 10 New
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      consultants are invited, including historians and professionals in the case about which the film is made

      I’ll ask again.
      Who better to consult a front-line soldier, or whoever just read about the war?

      Let me remind you, we are talking about films about the Second World War
    8. Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 17: 16 New
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      I’ll ask again.

      I’ll answer again, if we are talking about the form of clothing, technology or statutory forms of greeting, then the person who studied it or worked with it
      I didn’t live in the 19th century, but when I see a married woman with one scythe in films, I really want to slap the dresser in the face with this very scythe
    9. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 17: 31 New
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      Quote: Barmaleyka

      I’ll answer again if we are talking about the form of clothing, technology or statutory forms of greeting,

      Well, in the first place they didn’t answer.
      And secondly, the person who wore the uniform, who fought on this technique, himself welcomed, better tell about it than the one who did not see the war in the eyes
    10. Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 18: 43 New
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      Once again, in order to know WHAT were the statutory greetings, you do not need to be an eyewitness, you need to study the charters, it is strange to me that THIS needs to be explained at the MILITARY forum
  • your1970 25 February 2020 18: 24 New
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    Quote: Lipchanin
    Who better to advise a front-line soldier, or whoever just read about the war?

    Let me remind you, we are talking about films about the Second World War
    -and a lot of them-LIVING fought really for example on BT-7 or I-16 left ??????? apparently in crowds running ??? fool
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    I plus you :) :) :) Do not be discouraged ....
  • Vend 5 February 2020 14: 59 New
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    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Lipchanin
    You can’t consider yourself a pilot while sitting on the simulator

    But after going through something that you can understand in that reality, especially since creating everything with your own pens or with personal participation ...
    ]

    Yes, where there. The Union of Salvation was supervised by the reenactors, everything about history they hollowed there all the way, and the film turned out rubbish.
  • Terenin 6 February 2020 16: 12 New
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    especially since creating everything with your own pens or with personal participation ...

    Fine good
  • dmmyak40 5 February 2020 17: 12 New
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    I agree. But you can fly in a sports aerobatic airplane (Yak-52, for example), and understand what kind of aerobatics a fighter pilot performs during a battle. And execute them while shooting.
    In the film, as far as I remember, there is nothing of what could be: barrels, loops, half loops, candles, military turns, slides. All this passed by: only a horizontal flight with a look around and a couple of candles.
    1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 17: 35 New
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      Quote: dmmyak40
      But you can fly in a sports aerobatic airplane (Yak-52, for example), and understand what kind of aerobatics a fighter pilot performs during a battle.

      I didn’t mean it.
      I wanted to say by this that a theoretician can never be a better practice on any issue.
      The simulator, this is the first thing that came to mind)
  • your1970 25 February 2020 18: 21 New
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    Quote: Lipchanin
    I meant consultants who fought on the very planes, tanks, led the soldiers on the attack.
    -that is, if the movie is about the First World War (yes even about the Second !!) - then according to you, you need to raise the dead from the graves ????? because now there are no more living and flying then ...
  • Uncle lee 5 February 2020 13: 15 New
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    Quote: Lipchanin
    were in the subject

    Lieutenant General Oslikovsky!
    1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 13: 24 New
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      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Lieutenant General Oslikovsky!

      I do not understand what you mean request
      1. Uncle lee 5 February 2020 13: 27 New
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        Eeeeh! This is me so old that I remember the military consultant of Lieutenant General Oslikovsky in films about the war!
        1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 13: 42 New
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          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Eeeeh! This is me so old that I remember the military consultant of Lieutenant General Oslikovsky in films about the war!

          The fact is that I never looked who the consultant is. recourse
          As a boy, I was wondering who the actors were.
          And everything else passed by.
          Yesterday was the anniversary of the Palad Byul Bul Ogly and only yesterday I learned that the director of the wonderful film "Do not be afraid I am with you" was Julius Guzman.
          Like this
          1. Uncle lee 5 February 2020 13: 47 New
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            It’s never too late to learn something new ... And if the film was “about the war”, we read the credits and looked for our favorite actors. And if a military consultant was indicated, then the film is true and interesting to us. So the last name was remembered ...
            1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 14: 07 New
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              Quote: Uncle Lee
              And if a military consultant was indicated, then the film is true and interesting to us.

              Well I do not know. We somehow had no thought that a film about a war could be untrue
              I remember how my parents took me to the movie "Living Dead" and there half of the hall was crying ...
        2. your1970 25 February 2020 18: 27 New
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          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Eeeeh! This is me so old that I remember the military consultant of Lieutenant General Oslikovsky in films about the war!
          - is it his fault –– that modern tanks and cars are driving in the Ozerov epic? There were still T 34-85 in warehouses — but even they were many times closer to the war than Grady belay in the Urals belay going in columns ...
    2. AlexVas44 5 February 2020 13: 56 New
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      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Lieutenant General Oslikovsky!

      Yes, now it’s not like anyone like General N, Oslikovsky, who doesn’t invite anyone at all. Elementary blunders in the form of clothes, in expressions, reports of that time. The film immediately loses a lot, especially for those who are at least a little bit in the subject.
      1. Uncle lee 5 February 2020 14: 08 New
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        There must be a consultant for any historical film. And then it will soon come to the point that the knights are scorching from the Mausers and talking on their cell phones!
        1. Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 15: 56 New
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          Quote: Uncle Lee
          And then it will soon come to the point that the knights are scorching from the Mausers and talking on their cell phones!

          already (almost) in Catherine abandoned wigs
          1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 16: 48 New
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            Quote: Barmaleyka
            already (almost) in Catherine abandoned wigs

            Oh how laughing
            What about this one? laughing
            then any film describing the events of more than 100 years ago is initially incorrect because "there are no real contemporary consultants"

            Waiting for cons laughing
            1. Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 16: 50 New
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              get with all my heart Mr. Troll, once again for those who are in the tank, the consultant should be a director and screenwriter MUST study the chronicles and the description of the period about which films are made, REMEMBER not a contemporary, but a historian is a consultant
            2. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 17: 16 New
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              Quote: Barmaleyka
              get with all your heart mr troll

              Yeah troll you came laughing
              Out of one of my phrases they made a whole out of mind.
              REMEMBER not a contemporary, but a historian is a consultant

              Well yes. Only for some reason, professionals used to advise, not historians.
              According to your theoretician better versed in the question than the pros?
              Is the historian better to tell about the war, or is the person who passed it?
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              Well yes. Only for some reason, professionals used to advise, not historians.

              pay attention to PROFESSIONALS, not eyewitnesses but PROFESSIONALS, by the way, the stories were also consultants where it was necessary, for this debate I stop, you bored me with your obstinacy to prove something to you is pointless
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              Quote: Barmaleyka

              pay attention to PROFESSIONALS, not eyewitnesses but PROFESSIONALS,

              Please note that it was originally about consultants who participated in the Second World War
              Everything else is about crafty and blablabla.
              it makes no sense to prove something to you

              Of course, it makes no sense to me to prove that some kind of historian knows better than directly participated in the war.
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              Please note that it was originally about consultants who participated in the Second World War

              Well then, pay attention to WHAT blunders were discussed, in order to avoid them you do not need to be a participant in the events, you need to study the charters, the rules for wearing military uniforms by soldiers of the Soviet army and the Red Army
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              Quote: Barmaleyka
              Well then, pay attention to what mistakes

              Well then, pay attention that we are talking about specific mistakes in general didn't go
              It was about CONSULTANTS,
              Who is better, theorist, or the person who went through the war
              in order to avoid them, you don’t need to be a participant in the events,

              Yes indeed, why.
              This is how a bachelor will teach married family life in a book
              you need to study the charters, the rules of wearing military uniforms by servicemen of the Soviet army and the Red Army

              The front-line officer does not need this. He experienced it all in his own skin.
              And NOBODY will ever prove to me that the one who didn’t see the war, didn’t sit at the helm of the plane, didn’t lead the soldiers on the levers of the tank, but studied the regulations, but flew in a computer on the Il-2 simulator a better consultant than a veteran.
              A copy is always worse than the original, where the original person who went through the war
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              The original sat in the trench (GLORY TO HIM FOR THIS AND ADDICTION) and saw everything subjectively, and the historian, professional is more objective and has more opportunities
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          Of course, the historian knows better, ask any veteran the date of the introduction of a new uniform on the Bryansk Front, the number of tanks participating on our side in the Korsun-Shevchenkovsky operation, the date of arrival of the Yak-9, etc. You are really stubborn. A student can better identify a disease with a dumb doctor. A bachelor may know that you cannot beat your wife, that your ram husband does not know, etc.
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    Quote: AlexVas44
    Yes, now it’s not like anyone like General N, Oslikovsky, who doesn’t invite anyone at all.

    This we blunders notice.
    In 10-15 years, almost no one will see them
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      Quote: Lipchanin
      Quote: AlexVas44
      Yes, now it’s not like anyone like General N, Oslikovsky, who doesn’t invite anyone at all.

      This we blunders notice.
      In 10-15 years, almost no one will see them

      So this is what we are talking about, the more professional and believable the plots in the films, the further these ... 10-15 years will move forward ...
  • Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 15: 55 New
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    Quote: AlexVas44
    Elementary blunders in the form of clothes, in expressions, reports of that time.

    I serve the working people in 41
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    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: svp67
    Specialists FULLY

    I did not mean consultants for textbooks, but who really were in the subject

    Well, take the films of the USSR, there were competent consultants, but all the films sin the same mistakes. The 41st year, and among the Nazis the Tigers and Panthers, which appeared in the 43rd, and all the Nazis had machine guns, although at the beginning of the war the carbine was the main weapon.
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    people begin to REQUEST corrections, and this is going beyond the budget

    There is one more point, that the lie about the USSR is not officially a binding thing and there will be a way out of the budget, and there will be a way out of the script and the concept of liberal authors. Therefore, consultants are not attracted.
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    Yes .... really ... There are distances in “pounds” and speed in “knots IN HOUR”. These are all creations of the admonished, as I call them.
  • Alexander Suvorov 5 February 2020 11: 31 New
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    Well, why, just in the great and mighty, all this conomusor has a lot of names that cannot be voiced in VO.
    But I would not call it blunders. This is not a mistake, this is a targeted policy to destroy the memory of the Second World War. Stereotypes are put into the head of the modern generation that the soldiers were not Soviet (which united them), but Russians, Ukrainians, Belarussians, Kazakhs and, of course, necessarily Jews (which, in theory, separates on racial grounds). The officers are almost all dumb, and the higher the position the dumber, as a result, the lieutenant looks and knows more than the marshal. The stupid commanders are not necessarily assigned even a political officer, but they must be either the NKVDeshnik (which is insanity, in principle) or the special officer (which is closer to the truth), but they are even dumber than all the commanders combined and are simply bloody maniacs who are ready to drive their units to complete slaughter until the last soldier. Behind any infantry regiment behind is always the DIVISION (no less) of the evil NKVDeshnikov in a necessarily new, not faded or soiled form, armed at times better than an infantry regiment which has nothing except three-rulers. For the sake of completeness, some slutty babe is necessarily present in the film (a medic or a signalman doesn’t matter), embroidered, with a hairdo, make-up, manicure and a skirt that covers a little bit of lace underwear (at the front, they only gave out that to the women). And an officer with a special officer must fight for this woman, otherwise the highlight of the film is lost. And if both women have this woman at once, and having filled their faces in front of each other, then this is the highest.
    Didn’t forget anything? Here is a brief script for ANY modern war film. Exceptions are rare here and are mostly withdrawn from donations.
    So these are not mistakes, this is a purposeful state policy. And what then do we demand from others not to rewrite history ?!
    1. Van 16 5 February 2020 12: 24 New
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      I think they forgot. Some very cultured, competent German officer who at the end of the film should shake hands with our main character or give honor or honor. hi
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        No, they should meet in neutral territory and love each other very much. Then immediately an Oscar.
    2. vonWolfenstein 5 February 2020 19: 53 New
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      Yes, many domestic filmmakers are inspired and guided by the film “Enemy at the Gates” and the shooter “Call of Duty”.
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      That's how real NKVD officers fought (from father’s award documents).
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    Quote: Wend
    Bloopers begin with the script, and then the lump just grows, turning a film into something that has no name in Russian :.

    hi Yes there is a name for these "creations" in Russian. Just for these "names" banyat.
  • YOUR 6 February 2020 14: 17 New
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    Bloopers begin with education and the desire to make as much money as possible, saving on specialist consultants, mandatory nudity, love for the enemy and Hollywood.
  • Shuttle 7 February 2020 07: 14 New
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    Quote: Wend
    The bloopers begin with the script, and then the lump only grows, turning the film into something that has no name in Russian.

    The script begins with an idea. In this scenario, she is anti-Soviet.
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    What misses? These figures are simply not interested in the topic, even the customer is not interested, it is necessary to pile something "patriotic" for show. and they’re sculpting bullshit "on the hook".
  • Van 16 5 February 2020 10: 56 New
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    The number has grown. The quality has fallen. Remember what movies were, “Only the“ old people ”go to battle, what are they standing for. And now? I don’t even want to remember.
    1. Ravil_Asnafovich 5 February 2020 11: 02 New
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      The quality has fallen. I completely agree, in Soviet films military advisers have always been indicated in the credits, and not only in the military.
      1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 11: 27 New
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        And, despite this, there were plenty of mistakes. Soldiers of the Wehrmacht, half-armed with MP-40, and even holding it by the barrel when firing. Clean, smooth shape on comfrey. Rhombuses instead of cubes on the buttonholes of the average command staff of the Red Army.
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Rhombuses instead of cubes on buttonholes of the average Red Army commanding staff.

          But where exactly?
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            I really don’t remember what a low-budget Soviet film is. At the company, instead of "head over heels" - rhombuses. And the Hitlerites who were completely armed with MP are in almost every film, although in the Wehrmacht the kar98 was the infantry’s main weapon.
      2. Van 16 5 February 2020 11: 56 New
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        The same Leonid Bykov for some reason did not consider it shameful for himself to work with consultants, although he knew and understood a lot about the war. But modern scriptwriters - directors consider themselves cool, all-knowing experts. It is completely incomprehensible, however, on what basis. hi
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      Quote: Van 16
      Remember what films were, "Only the" old people "go to battle, which they are all worth.

      Quote: Van 16
      Remember what films were, "Only the" old people "go to battle, which they are all worth.

      Then the front-line consultants were still alive
      1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 13: 04 New
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        And many actors also knew on which side of the chest combat awards are worn.
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          Please follow the link
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_советских_актёров-фронтовиков
    3. Catfish 5 February 2020 13: 34 New
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      So Bykov, the consultant was Twice Hero of the Soviet Union Vitaliy Ivanovich Popkov, one of the best fighter pilots of that war. Bykov himself played it.
      In Moscow, in the Hero’s homeland, at the beginning of Catherine’s Boulevard (Samotyotchnaya St.), there is a bronze bust of V.I. Popkova works of the famous sculptor Karbel, from early childhood I remember him. Further along the boulevard is a monument to Marshal Tolbukhin, and opposite the theater of the Soviet Army, a later, but very beautiful monument to A.V. Suvorov. Such is the Alley of Heroes.
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        Quote: Sea Cat
        So Bykov, the consultant was Twice Hero of the Soviet Union Vitaliy Ivanovich Popkov, one of the best fighter pilots of that war.

        And in the film, Bykov in the role of a mechanic was A. Smirnov. War veteran himself
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          And, the scene, at the obelisk for the girls, was taken from one take, despite the inversion trail of the jet plane clearly visible in the sky. Smirnov was very upset, so much so that his heart sank. And, like he said, the second take simply can not stand it.
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    Now the main thing is the loot. And people picks.
  • rocket757 5 February 2020 11: 03 New
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    Bloopers were before, as well as below-average films were shot ....
    Masterpieces did not appear every year, but it is on them that we evaluate the achievements of our cinema! Now, the film industry and in this name is approximately laid down, what awaits us in the future ... FILM PRODUCTION! primarily. Will it appear, what we want to see more and more, is this a big question ???
  • Tenet 5 February 2020 11: 05 New
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    These are flowers from the 90s, and then there will be berries from zero wassat they master money and do not bother with historical reality. This is a general global trend now. Comprehensive degradation and distortion towards Moloch. The film "Rage" is a vivid example. Yes, and the death camps were liberated, the right characters from Hollywood! belay
  • Loess 5 February 2020 11: 13 New
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    dedicated to the conscious and unconscious mistakes of domestic filmmakers in feature films,
    And I, for example, do not touch aviation sideways and I don’t care whether the belts are threaded or not. And there are enough mistakes in any film. It would be a desire to look for these blunders. Both technical and purely logical. When a movie is not particularly interesting, instead of watching it, I usually focus on mistakes.
    Here, it’s rather not the blunders themselves, but as a plot. Very few films catch the eye that I would like to see a second time. There are not many more films that you watch with interest until the end.
    1. bober1982 5 February 2020 11: 34 New
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      And there are enough mistakes in any film

      In Soviet films, these mistakes were also abundant, including in any film about aviation. And, no consultants will help. Now some kind of fashion has gone - to look for kinolyapi, by the way, in Soviet films as well.
      The current movie certainly can not be compared with the Soviet, but there are good films. Like to review - Sagittarius restlessth, White Tiger, Poisons - or World History of Poisoning, Apostle, Elimination
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        Like to revise

        We have different tastes, but I agree with this:
        yes gentlemen four questions are waiting for you
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          yes gentlemen four questions are waiting for you
          I apologize, something is not right. It should have been like this:
          Quote: bober1982
          but there are good movies too.
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            yes gentlemen four questions are waiting for you

            It's okay, you are not surprised at anything, the main thing is not to take it into your head.
            Someone even put you, appreciated.
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        bober1982 (vladimir)
        The current movie certainly can not be compared with the Soviet, but there are good films. Like to revise - restless Sagittarius, White tiger, Poisons - or a worldwide history of poisoning, Apostle, Elimination
        Do you think this is a “good” movie? Nnn-daa ... Then everything is clear with you.
        I would also understand the “Brest Fortress”, “In August of the 44th,” “28 Panfilov’s,” but the damn “White Tiger” ... With all due respect to Shakhnazarov, but this is complete crap, not a movie.
        The liquidation is not bad, but it has little to do with reality; it is rather a film on the theme of post-war Odessa. The apostle, too, like Liquidation, is rather a director’s fantasy on the theme of war. Sagittarius is indecisive, well, so-so, very much for an amateur.
        Although of course it tastes and color ... all the markers are different ... laughing
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          Ah, about Poisons, World History of Poisoning, by the way the film Shakhnazarov, what opinion?
          There (in the film), one of the movie heroes, the wife cheated on with the Hero of Socialist Labor, well, this movie hero and let's poison everyone.
          1. Alexander Suvorov 5 February 2020 13: 20 New
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            bober1982 (vladimir)
            And, about Poisons, The World History of Poisoning, by the way a film by Shakhnazarov, what opinion?

            This film has not been seen, so I can’t say anything, unfortunately.
            There (in the film), one of the movie heroes, the wife cheated on with the Hero of Socialist Labor, well, this movie hero and let's poison everyone.
            And if the wife had not cheated on him with the GTS, but rather with the plumber, would this have greatly affected the plot of the film?
            Or did her husband purposefully target only Heroes of Social Labor? Gives another anti-Soviet ... Although yes, you love about the USSR only to watch the dirt ...

            P.S. Yesterday I accidentally stumbled upon Interdevochka, exactly 5 minutes were enough for this chernukha, although Interdevochka is a fairly truthful film about the end of the Soviet era.
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              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              And if the wife had cheated on him not with the GTS, but rather with a plumber

              Yes, the fact of the matter is that the wife cheated on another movie hero with a locksmith from a meat factory, he was not a Hero of Social Labor.
              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              Or did her husband purposefully target only Heroes of Social Labor?

              Who poisoned and who tried (according to the plot of the film) - not Heroes and locksmiths, but their lustful wives, what is anti-Soviet here? it seems to you everywhere and everywhere.
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                bober1982 (vladimir)
                Who poisoned and who tried (according to the plot of the film) - not Heroes and locksmiths, but their lustful wives, what is anti-Soviet here? it seems to you everywhere and everywhere.
                Yes, it’s just so much (anti-Soviet) in recent years that it crossed a certain reasonable line.
                You know, I, too, at one time was seduced by all this crap about "white and noble", by the songs of Malinin, Talkov and others, by all this type of "truth". Only now, when this “truth” began to be exceeded beyond the reasonable limits, I suddenly began to realize that this was not true at all, but a sheer lie that they were trying to feed me intensely. Since then, I became an ardent defender of the scoop.
                And the more lies that come from your side, the more followers we will have. Comrade Stalin correctly spoke, the wind of history will sweep away all the rubbish from his grave.
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                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  Yes, it’s just so much (anti-Soviet) in recent years that it crossed a certain reasonable line.

                  Anti-Soviet is not in trend now, by the way the film Interdevochka, which you mentioned as true - anti-Soviet, from such films prepared the collapse of the Union, and advertised a famous ancient profession.
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                    The collapse of the Union certainly did not begin with the "Interdevochka", but with the coming to power of the Khrushchev and with the rampant party nomenclature, where the majority of the Trotskyite and Bandera wrecks, rehabilitated by Khrushchev bypassing the law, climbed.
                    And "Intergirl" is already a diagnosis of the agony of the former great empire.
                    and touted a famous ancient profession.
                    Does it need to be advertised ?! In my opinion it is old as the world and is not eradicated in any society, even in the Soviet one. People, they were different in Stalin's time. In the same besieged Leningrad, someone was dying of hunger, but saving a collection of grain seeds, and someone was buying up collections of world painting and family jewelry, and made fortunes on human grief. Homo homini lupus est ...!
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          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Although of course the taste and color

          I still like the movie Lily of the valley silvery, about Zoya Misochkina
    2. Ross xnumx 5 February 2020 11: 35 New
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      And there are enough mistakes in any film. It would be a desire to look for these blunders.

      The bloopers of Soviet-era films did not completely change the viewer's attitude to the plot of the film. And when the plot of a modern Russian film is a solid “blunder,” it is alarming. That is why:
      Quote: Less
      Very few films catches your eye who would like to see a second time.

      yes
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    Well, for example, during the war they said "I serve the working people" or turned to the commander, and not to the officers. Such small mistakes are also unpleasant.
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      Nope.
      In the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army (RKKA), from the time of the Civil War until the second half of the 1930s, the award "I serve (serve) the working people" was established with awards and thanks. Such a norm, in particular, was enshrined in the Provisional Charter of the Red Army's internal service of 1924.

      In 1937, a new internal service charter was adopted in the Armed Forces of the USSR. According to him, in response to the commander’s greeting, the Red Army men had to answer “Hello”, to the congratulatory reply to the protracted “Hurray” (individual military personnel, “Thank you”), to the gratitude of the commander, “I serve (serve) the Soviet Union”.
      So, "I Serve the Soviet Union" is not a film-starter.
  • alex aircraft 5 February 2020 11: 23 New
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    Yes, and in Soviet films there are a lot of mistakes. Especially in technology. All Germans rode on an armored personnel carrier 40/152, all polls with mp38 / 40, fight on t54 / 55 with welded corners on the tower and fly to yak 18. the truth of the plot of the films was high-quality, touched the soul ....
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      This is due to lack of details. And here are the other mistakes. It is semantic and it is shown that people who make films about the war generally don’t know anything from the word AT ALL and don’t understand what they are shooting and don’t even want to understand. As in childhood, they heard something and continue through life and go.
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        that people who make films about the war generally don’t know and understand nothing from the word

        Quite right, hack-work is the specificity of dealers. Perhaps this is connected with the theater school of acting schools, where they learn to master the “examiner” or “hamlet”, but today the world has become more complicated and the skills of playing the hamlet will not help to play the captain, or fireman.

        The cinema and acting system of the Russian Federation, it’s like a thing in itself, it exists for its own sake, some well-deserved figures reward or praise each other for their servants, do you have a world-famous artist?
        There are no bestsellers, but these leaders hold a monopoly, they don’t let talents go.
        On the other hand, Hollywood actors really do not have a higher acting education. But there are good films. All the same, market money relations are able to reveal talents. Some kind of Spielberg earned his name by earning film studios and himself huge sums.
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        Yeah ... and in the film about 1941 (shooting in 2017), the young lieutenant-girl addresses the NKVD officers "comrade officers" !!!! In 1941, Karl!
        For some reason she was left alive ... (I would immediately put it to the wall - I betrayed myself with my head! wassat )
  • Jarserge 5 February 2020 11: 27 New
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    Everything is very simple, they don’t either allocate money for consultants or pay "experts" ..... to their
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    Bloopers, maybe an exaggeration somewhere, but somewhere just the lack of original machines or details, has always been the case, both here and beyond the hill. We seem to have no flying planes since the Second World War. In addition to several T-34s, there are no naval battle tanks and equipment. Come on, let the sheathed dvp a la tigers and other ferdinants, but also the Red Army soldiers in the summer of 1942, fighting in uniform in 1943 with epaulets .... Well, the director sees it that way. Interestingly, these actors rolled from fighter jets, sports pilots were sportsmen, they saw perfectly how parachutes were dressed, and no one suggested how to wear them properly. Something they see filmmakers offended.
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      Now there are much more field samples of equipment than before. Thanks to collectors-reenactors. There are one and a half trucks on the go and Opel Blitz and half-track armored vehicles and even tanks. But renting them for filming is not an expensive thing.
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    Especially killed the moment about "what is the main device" DEVICE !!!! Main!!! So many women in the movie.
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      And I know which device they have there.
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        And I know which device they have there.

        I do not understand the meaning of such a question. A children's question is: Who is stronger than a Whale or an Elephant. What nonsense. some kind of makeup woman walks around and tries to prove something, it is clear that he is underplaying or replaying, in short, as an actor, a complete zero.
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          Hussars, tell someone about the device, otherwise I don’t want to go to the bathhouse.

          Quote: Usher
          In short, as an actor, a complete zero.

          100% Although I didn’t even look at this nonsense, that video was enough to make it.
  • nikvic46 5 February 2020 11: 52 New
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    I try to watch old films about the war, which are rarely shown now. Even in the last Soviet films there were bloopers. Pilots never flew on a combat mission at the orders. Numerous current films about the war are a conveyor. Where the anti-Soviet comes out first. Yes, you can put a tick in the report. Nobody pays attention to these mistakes. They are interested in the first and most important thing - "poor preparedness of Soviet pilots during the war years" .
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      Pilots never flew on a combat mission at the orders ..

      In orders flew. There are many cases when, after the war, awards were discovered at the crash site, according to which dead pilots were installed.
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        Vitaly: I mean flights to foreign territory. They handed over documents and orders, because they could be easy prey for German intelligence.
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          it is the military intelligence officers who handed over awards and documents before going to the rear of the Nazis.
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      Pilots never flew on a combat mission at the orders.
      Nikolay, this statement is erroneous.
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    Forgot one of the most popular memes on this topic:
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      There is not only a "concussion on the lips", there are also eyes made up, and the pose itself raises some doubts about the moral character of the actor. laughing
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      those directors who invite such made actresses!
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    What can be the professionalism of the actors from House-2?
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    Personally, I have two films about the war.
    "Alive and Dead" and "They Fought for the Homeland!".
    All that is being filmed about the war is feces ... Unfortunately ...
    Last thing: "One" ...
    1. Andrew77 5 February 2020 15: 21 New
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      Add (or look) another “In war as in war” based on the story of Victor Kurochkin. And the film is very good, and there are almost no mistakes ... Well, just in the role of the SU-85 there is the SU-100. And the T-34-85 instead of the T-34 with a 76-mm gun. But the T-34-76 is practically not on the move, and the SU-100 and T-34-85 in 1968, when the film was shot, were still almost armed
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        The plot of the film is summer 44 goals, then T 34-85 were already at the front
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          Quote: Andrey VOV
          The plot of the film is summer 44 goals, then T 34-85 were already at the front

          The first lines of the book by V. Kurochkin - "On the twenty-fourth of December one thousand nine hundred and forty-three, the First Ukrainian Front went on the offensive."
          Tank T-34 - "T-34-85 - military designation of the latest modification of the Soviet medium tank T-34 with an 85-mm gun. Adopted by the Red Army by GKO Decree No. 5021 of January 23, 1944."
          It seems to be nothing to add to the quotes ...
  • svp67 5 February 2020 12: 12 New
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    Leonid Bykov actually survived the war, and Alexey Smirnov fought in general, that is, people saw everything with their own eyes ... and at any moment they could fix it ...
    1. gurzuf 5 February 2020 15: 42 New
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      Do not forget who the consultant was there (the main consultant: Hero of the Soviet Union, Honored Military Pilot of the USSR, Lieutenant General of Aviation S.I. Kharlamov), and who were the prototype of the squadron commander of the guard Captain Titarenko at once several people: the commander of the 270th fighter Hero of the Soviet Union major regiment Major Vasily Merkushev, twice Hero of the Soviet Union Vitaliy Popkov, Hero of the Soviet Union Ivan Laveikin, and Titarenko and the call sign "Maestro" were taken by Bykov after he learned about Dmitry Titorenko - three times led by Hero of the Soviet Union Ivan Kozheduba, episodes from the biography of which were included in the film. Vano also appeared in the script, in memory of a front-line friend and the first direct commander (leading pair) of Kozhedub at the front, a brave Georgian pilot, junior lieutenant Vano Gabunia, who heroically died during the ramming of the German Me-109 fighter.
  • tatarin1972 5 February 2020 12: 12 New
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    Lyapov lacks not only films about the Great Patriotic War, Bondarchuk’s biggest pearl is “Uncle Fedor”. PC with a crooked barrel, director, you served in the Invincible and Legendary, the PC barrel is replaceable, the standard for replacing 7 seconds.
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      the PC barrel is interchangeable, the standard for replacement is 7 seconds.

      And if he is not? Lost or shot completely ...
      1. tatarin1972 5 February 2020 13: 16 New
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        Yeah, upon arrival in the troops, a machine gun with a crooked barrel is assigned to you. No one cares that two trunks are included. Our main thing is if. Before each combat or training exit drill-down is carried out, you went out with a "crooked" machine gun. The question is, what will happen to your family and deputy comm.bata on RAV?
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          Quote: tatarin1972
          Before each combat or training exit drill-down is carried out, you went out with a "crooked" machine gun. The question is, what will happen to your family and deputy comm.bata on RAV?

          The question is different. And why the machine gunner was silent, do not want to live? Unit commander, where was he? Lose one of the main firearms.
          1. tatarin1972 6 February 2020 09: 30 New
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            This is at the drill, if he says: "I have no complaints and suggestions!". Then he didn’t say anything. And so, in theory, the ass should burn for everyone, from a machine gunner with a crooked barrel, to a com. If according to the charter, then before each combat exit weapons should be conducted for normal combat. And do not notice that the barrel of a machine gun is not possible. It was still the Soviet Army.
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          deputy.bat on RAV

          And this hto? belay Deputy in regiment armament - I saw it myself. Zampotech battalion companies - too. But this - somehow it did not work out laughing
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            When there are no arguments, we just start digging into words ?! Then read for sure, the battalion commander also has a deputy armament, there was no talk about the regiment. In our battalion, the armed men were called deputy battalion commander for RAV.
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              the battalion commander also has a deputy armament

              I do not know such a position.

              Quote: tatarin1972
              In our battalion, the armed men were called deputy battalion commander for RAV

              Yes, even call a pot - to me in parallel. But such a position - no. Military.
              1. tatarin1972 6 February 2020 12: 03 New
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                Well, well, describe the organizational - staffing structure of the management of the SDSHB MP?
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                  describe the organizational and staff management structure

                  Without a clue about this structure, I won’t even bother ...

                  And in the film under discussion, is it the SDSHB MP? Sneakers do not tell ...
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                    And what does a separate airborne assault brigade have to do with it?
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            Deputy on missile and aircraft weapons. A quite modern term
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        Well, go to the review with a crooked barrel))))))))))))))))) there they will fight for it all. This is also not a hidden defect
        1. svp67 5 February 2020 22: 32 New
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          Well, go to the review with a crooked barrel))))))))))))))))) there they will fight for it all. This is also not a hidden defect

          The question is, are you able to see the barrel curvature of one degree?
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            no, not capable, but such that Bondarchuk showed simply could not be. Then their commander Kahraman, just a hoopoe.
  • 7,62h54 5 February 2020 13: 19 New
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    We are waiting for the designers of holiday posters by May 9th.
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      Boys are in no way “worse” than creative in this regard.
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    The biggest mistake of Russian TV shows is Arntgolts (any other actress of your choice) as a nurse (underline as a sniper) !!!
    when they portray a war with make-up and manicure as if from a salon - this is disgusting ... people have not climbed out of the trenches for months - and right there it’s all so-and-so ...
    Soviet films also sinned blunders - but rather from a lack of budget - they didn’t go down to that ...
    probably because everyone had war veterans - consultants ...
    although it also happened frankly hacked
    and you take "Stalingrad" where there is a dude in SNOW-WHITE (!!!!) underpants ... this is hack-work - what white underpants in the cellars of Stalingrad which have been overgrown with dirt - where people have not washed for months and shook off lice ???
    I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!
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      Arntgolts, Starshenbaum, Asmus ... Who else are we from the "golden" cinema fund?
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  • Lamata 5 February 2020 15: 27 New
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    like that movie, the fearless or something, about apt. so there is a feeling that these are not tanks but small-sized apartments.
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      I completely agree, I was especially killed by the episode where the heroine sleeps in a tank on the go and even without a headset on her head! He himself urgently served as a fur-water driver, I know what I'm writing about.
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        there’s a cool moment, well, from my point of view, they show the inside of the tower of a German tank, the officer believes in the periscope and the German sits in the back plate, in the tower, and there’s a feeling that there’s not enough cupboard behind it with a pile of dishes) )))))
  • gurzuf 5 February 2020 15: 28 New
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    Yes! Modern cinema, with the methodology of idiots, destroys the whole historical truth about the Soviet past.
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    That's right, hack work is the specificity of Roskoshnikov

    Come on you! And our "partners" from Hollywood? Some - "Red Tails" which are worth in this direction! fellow
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      We are silent about Hollywood. With so many emigrants who want to earn extra money for oligarch children, it’s a sin to blurt out this. Or maybe they’re advising so, daddies told
  • Desperado 5 February 2020 15: 39 New
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    Arntgolts, Starshenbaum, Asmus ... Who else are we from the "golden" cinema fund?


    "... Do not shoot the pianist, he plays as best he can ..." laughing
  • Desperado 5 February 2020 15: 41 New
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    Red Tails


    We’ll leave a film about blacks and tolerance, there are Brothers in Arms and the Pacific Ocean, when we learn to make the same mini-series about the war, we will compare ...
  • Barmaleyka 5 February 2020 15: 48 New
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    without threading belts through special eyes
    these are trifles, but when the medal block is on the right, and the sergeant's epaulettes with two gaps is generally the finish

    very often happens when the called title does not correspond to wearable epaulets (buttonholes), phrases impossible in a given time period
  • Ros 56 5 February 2020 16: 38 New
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    We all have plenty of real Lyapov in our lives. And you want the truth from the cinema, well, do not make people laugh, not without reason I do not remember who called the cinema. great deceiver.
  • GenNick 5 February 2020 18: 40 New
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    Lieutenant General Oslikovsky!

    Yes, now it’s not like anyone like General N, Oslikovsky, who doesn’t invite anyone at all. Elementary blunders in the form of clothes, in expressions, reports of that time. The film immediately loses a lot, especially for those who are at least a little bit in the subject.

    For those who served in the SA, remember - ,, ... take off ..., put on your cap! ''
  • Alex Cheparev 5 February 2020 18: 45 New
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    I am always touched by well-fed soldiers in modern war films. I would also like to wish the creators to try myself as a conscript in the modern army. I think that after a month of marching and marching throws, they will immediately lose -6-7 kg. And here is the war!
  • Vorchun 5 February 2020 18: 59 New
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    The author also famously bent about the epoxy used in the skin of the Yak-3 wing. winked
  • vonWolfenstein 5 February 2020 20: 04 New
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    In fairness, it is worth noting that in some Soviet films about the Great Patriotic War, the Ural truck flashed for a few seconds among the convoy of German trucks and the Kalashnikov assault rifle in the hands of Soviet soldiers can see the keen eye of the viewer (the final series of the film Shield and Sword ") But this is more likely from a lack of props, and does not hurt the eyes. Nowadays, everything is deplorable. Mandatory inserts about the Gulag and the "kovgovoy" enkaveda. Served under the garnish "veracity and authenticity"
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      I’ll even tell you this: in the “Tale of a Real Man”, Polevoy also has mistakes. In the description of a frontal attack against fokker "
      Aleksei, having pressed all the trigger buttons at once, ordered three fire streams.
      . Meresyev flew on La-5 (maybe on F or FN), the standard small arms and cannon armament of which consisted of 2 synchronous ShVAK cannons. Three guns were on the part of La-7, but it was much later described in 1943, and these were B-20 guns.
      Question: where did Polevoy get such a blunder?
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        Because Polevoy did not know about La-5, but knew about I-16, where there were MORE than 3 firing points,
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          Where does this assumption come from? The field was in the regiment where Maresyev served, he perfectly saw the Lavochkins, about whom he wrote in the book. I think it’s just that the author decided that this detail is not so important.
          In the book of V.D. Zvyagintsev "Whirlwinds of Valhalla" in I-153, the author also managed to shove the motor gun.
  • Lexus 5 February 2020 21: 16 New
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    Contemporary Russian cinema is a disgusting rygotin. To get any knowledge from there or to try to get aesthetic pleasure is the same as enjoying the contents of the garbage. negative
  • boriz 6 February 2020 00: 27 New
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    Industrial use of epoxy resins began in 1947. Bakelite varnishes based on phenol-formaldehyde resins were used in WWII. Criticizing others, do not substitute yourself.
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      Set details were often made of plywood (wood veneer with phenol-formaldehyde resins). Percale was impregnated with dope. Nothing is said about epoxy resins. Only as an analogy for modern youth. Maybe they’ll understand better
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    Why are you talking about the same thing? I took the article reposted, and that's it! Would you add something to yourselves, huh? What are you all attached to these belts? THERE ARE AIRCRAFT ALL WITHOUT ELONS, AND STEERING STEERING WHEELS !!!!!!
  • irontom 6 February 2020 07: 23 New
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    “Fighters”, “Sky on Fire” - horror flying on the wings of the night, it was especially offensive to watch how the real I-15s from the Air Restoration were filmed in this slag. Films with bloody gebnya, with lyubofyu for defochki.
  • Vladimir_65 6 February 2020 08: 47 New
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    What do you want from the victims of the exam? Neither the screenwriter nor everyone else is stupidly able to even read about the Second World War. I'm not talking about the elementary knowledge of what all kinds of ballpoints are being filmed. on the verge of insanity. The main thing is “with a black sheep, even a tuft of wool”, but the meaning, truthfulness and technical literacy are not about them.
  • Petrik66 6 February 2020 09: 52 New
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    I completely agree, in the movie you need to send your Serdyukov, so that he would disperse all this bastard with Mikhailov at the head to EM. But judging by watching "1917" and "Dunkirk," everything is fine in the states too ..
  • place 6 February 2020 14: 35 New
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    We always have this: we say one thing, we mean the other.
    THE MAIN AND FURTHER GOAL of the media and cinema in particular, in our selling time, cannot be an honest search for the truth. It's not about saving money on consultants.
    With us, huge sums can easily be thrown onto some kind of “human leg” like the football player Kokorin. And nothing ........ The goal is completely different ........

    Just as the true images of Stepan Razin or Pugachev were erased in the popular consciousness and were replaced by mythological images of bloody robbers and sorcerers-sorcerers, the way of life in the USSR MUST BE REPLACED BY MYTHS.

    Type: USSR is a chimeric country, where half-people with two heads lived, barked dogs, everything they had was not like normal people had. Once upon a time they lived under the yoke of fabulous monsters - Bolsheviks, whose motives for their actions are fantastic, utopian and absolutely meaningless. THIS SO- WILL BE AND NATURAL AND RELIABLE. And the more absurdities there are, the better!
  • Siberian54 6 February 2020 14: 59 New
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    : If you watch Russian films about the war, you get the impression that the main thing is young girls and they endure all the evil spirits having time to sleep with her ...
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      Summarize. And the prosecutor reveals the crime (investigator, journalist, housewife - underline what is necessary), preferably with eyes, make-up and legs from the ears. And the brutal operatives of them, the villains, will be tied. And, of course, lyuboff.
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    What the producers paid for is what they show.
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  • WapentakeLokki 6 February 2020 19: 59 New
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    What kind of watch are you. American?

    Indian lol

    This time I recommend it; the last Super BlockBuster Uri.The Surgical Strike (Uri Assault on the base) ...
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    A brief retelling of the film T 34. Evil but stupid SS men put a policeman from Rublevka, a real kid, a matchmaker and a heifer from "Attraction" in a tank. They gave them ammunition .... They gave secret cards .... And they defeated everyone.
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    I watched a YouTube video about Soviet cinema, read comments and my hair moved with horror. Now the MARVEL generation will evaluate and judge! This world is heading straight to hell!
  • yawa63 6 February 2020 22: 18 New
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    Recently, you don’t even have to think about the plot of the film about the war - there is always a vile special officer or political officer, there is always a woman in the war, and whether love is with sex on the screen or a hint of it, political prisoners or urks are still popular. reminded and painted women at the front ...
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    Bloopers are nonsense, they just piss me off when in every modern war film there must be scary, bloody commissars and the ubiquitous NKVD with other GULAGs who need to shoot blood from their nose and put everyone in a row. What is not a representative of power is so a villain and a bloodsucker.
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      And the actor is selected with a face more feasible
  • Victor Orthodox 7 February 2020 03: 46 New
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    Contemporary Russian cinema is a disgusting rygotin. To get any knowledge from there or to try to get aesthetic pleasure is the same as enjoying the contents of the garbage. negative

    Not true. There are so many great contemporary Russian films. There is also enough slag, thanks to the support of the Ministry of Culture.
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    I agree with the author for all 100, but from myself I want to add that after watching this "masterpiece" my heart is nothing but squeamishness (it seems like I went into shit). And after a while there’s nothing to even remember about, in a word, anti-Soviet bullshit ...
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    Big claims on the names of the films. Often they take the old names. Well, if there is no mind to come up with a name for the film, then there is no need to watch this film.