In China, they said that it would give the J-20 fighter an advantage over the F-35 in air combat

In the military-thematic section of the Chinese publication, Sohu decided to discuss the appropriateness of the installation aviation guns on fifth generation fighters. The author of the material recalls the complaints of American pilots about significant vibration in the F-35 cockpit when using an air gun. This vibration acted on the display of information on monitors.

In addition, the effectiveness of using an automatic 4-barrel aircraft gun on a fifth-generation American fighter has raised questions in connection with the implementation of maneuvers in the air.

Sohu says the fifth generation fighter aircraft is an echo from the past. Chinese author:

To date, the J-20 is the only adopted fighter in the world that does not have an air gun. At the same time, the J-20 has a chance to get a significant advantage over the American F-35.

It is noted that in order to obtain such an advantage, a laser aircraft gun must be installed on a Chinese-made fighter.
From the material:

So far, no fighter has a laser aircraft gun. And if the J-20 receives it, and this can be expected in the near future, then we can talk about its significant superiority.

In China, I comment on this statement, they say that the laser cannon in the event of a “meeting” of the J-20 and F-35 at a relatively short distance will give the new generation Chinese fighter an undeniable advantage in air combat.

Comments

[thanks]

Some assumptions ... Wait and see!

[novel66]

one thing is clear - J-20 can infect Fu-35 with coronovirus

[neri73-r]

So far, no fighter has a laser aircraft gun. And if the J-20 receives it, and this can be expected in the near future, then we can talk about its significant superiority.

Damn, they forgot to write about a personal blaster for a pilot, how would they be without a bear against the bears in the taiga when they bring down ??????

[Spektr]

Fu-35 will die earlier, before it becomes infected with a coronovirus. This virus requires long-term contact, and penguin-35 is not designed for a long fight. Oh, how would the Serbian word penguin dash 35 fit, but alas, the dislike of the Serbs of our filter compilers prohibits the use of harmless words of other nations.

[3danimal]

F-18 is also not designed for a long battle?

[NIKN]

Hi Roma! Neither one nor the other needs a cannon for the near WB because by the maneuverability of the BVB they can only lead with transporters. If you only provide for the SC, but somehow I can hardly imagine them here (for the SC using a gun), there is not enough imagination.

[novel66]

about! Kolya. very healthy, quite a while! somehow a military plane without a gun .... unfinished some sort of something .. like an officer without a gun in a cabaret

[NIKN]

like an officer without a gun in a cabaret

Well then yes ... not according to the charter like that.

[NIKN]

But such a gun cannon, it’s like hammering nails with a microscope, it’s already the 5th generation of the type, as I noted above, the BVB is not subject to it and it’s very expensive to work on the ground and it’s dangerous to shoot from a cannon.

[novel66]

so, and the Americans want 35 to work on the ground. and almost replaced the A-10, but in general. here we were discussing with the sailor Serzhik the artillery battles of the Tu-95 against the aircraft carrier, it was fun

[NIKN]

F-35 on the ground works unambiguously, but I don’t recommend using a gun with it, they’ll fill it up with a Vietnamese one without radar and advanced optics, so by eye. It’s like one of the tasks of breaking through air defense here on the earth, you don’t want to, only somehow from a distance beyond the defeat zone, and here it’s stealth just in topic.

artillery battles Tu-95 against an aircraft carrier, it was fun

Yes, here for intellectual fiction is just expanse

[novel66]

here, you can inquire
https://topwar.ru/107467-voenno-morskoy-triller.html#comment-id-6565330

[TermNachTer]

Have narrow-film megalomania begun? It is not correct to compare the technology demonstrator with a real flying airplane, albeit with a host of problems.

[Vladimir_2U]

complaints by American pilots about significant vibration in the F-35 cockpit when using an air gun

Poor things, no one warned about the return!

It is noted that in order to obtain such an advantage, a laser aircraft gun must be installed on a Chinese-made fighter.

In the clouds it will be!

[Alexander Suvorov]

Sohu says the fifth generation fighter aircraft is an echo from the past. Chinese author:

To date, the J-20 is the only adopted fighter in the world that does not have an air gun. At the same time, the J-20 has a chance to get a significant advantage over the American F-35.

Yeah, both ours and the Americans also refused guns at one time, but in Vietnam it suddenly became clear that missiles were not a panacea and in a close combat a gun was very necessary and they began to abruptly set them back.

It is noted that in order to obtain such an advantage, a laser aircraft gun must be installed on a Chinese-made fighter.
From the material:

So far, no fighter has a laser aircraft gun. And if the J-20 receives it, and this can be expected in the near future, then we can talk about its significant superiority.

Why, put a blaster right away and don’t forget the Jedi’s sword, and you will be happy.
Damn, Sokhu has already surpassed National Interest in terms of the level of "analysts" ...

[Magog]

The Americans started the F-16 program after Vietnam - "it got to the giraffe" that air superiority is gained by sweat and blood in close air combat and, accordingly, by a light maneuverable aircraft (at that time MiG-21). How can one do without a gun in such a battle? But does the F-35 have sufficient maneuverability? Hence the question: is this apparatus capable of conducting BVB? And maybe he really doesn't need a gun?

[Alexander Suvorov]

I could be wrong, of course, but neither the F-35 nor the J-20 are designed for BVB. One has vibration and a lack of maneuverability, the other has everything muddy with the characteristics, and there is no gun. So in the event of a direct clash in the BVB, none of them has a chance before ours. But here, again, the use of aviation in a complex will rule, taking into account the use of AWACS aircraft, countering electronic warfare, air defense and other factors. In any case, I believe that the penguin will not be helped by his alleged "invisibility", and the Chinese are unlikely to have anything shining. There, in general, in my opinion, continuous PR, judging by the lack of any data on the performance characteristics of the Chinese.

[Magog]

The runaway race for low ESR is generally akin to paranoia! Everything is good in moderation !

[Alexander Suvorov]

The funny thing is that the myth about this notorious EPR has already been debunked, but the Americans continue to push it wherever they can with the stubbornness of rams.
I don’t remember who exactly, in my opinion, Churchill said about them that the Americans would definitely find the right way out, but at the same time they would try all the wrong ones.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

I don’t remember who exactly, in my opinion, Churchill said about them that the Americans would definitely find the right way out, but at the same time they would try all the wrong ones.

Yes, here it’s even better said

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Magog

And maybe he really doesn’t need a gun?

Yes maybe. This is the same Vietnamese pure rocket rake, but with a small bonus for stealth.
From afar he snickered at everything that was and until they noticed he crawled back, and either rejuvenated old men F-15/16/18 or UAVs will go to finish off and in the BVB. The F-35 even with the letter "A" is purely a camper. And look for tactics of using the English longbow (longbow) and then impose on air combat and the F-35.

[Magog]

For such a sneaky role in aerial combat, nothing is simpler and cheaper. certainly not to be found. Combat heavy RPV, for example. Yes, any available device capable of launching a long-range air-to-air missile. Further: "the tale of the white bull", nicknamed "BVB" ...

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Magog

Heavy combat UAV, for example.

In the near future - unlikely. As slave and remote weapon platforms in the network-centric - maybe, but as the center of decision-making in this network, the person (who needs to be protected) at the helm is still irreplaceable. Therefore - only camper tactics and no hardcore. The "concept of murder with impunity" obliges.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Poor things, no one warned about the return!

And where did she come from ...?

[bessmertniy]

If the Chinese have so confidently advanced in the development of laser weapons that they can equip a fighter with a laser gun, then this will indeed be a very serious advantage compared to others. But probably not for long. Until the laser guns install others.

[Same lech]

What other laser guns ... so long as lighters for today ... we need powerful power sources for these lasers ... while scientists still have to work and work for them.

[den3080]

Quote: The same Lech

What other laser guns ... so long as lighters for today ... we need powerful power sources for these lasers ... while scientists still have to work and work for them.

nicho nicho, will fly on a cable from a power source, well, like cordova models :)).

[Vladimir_2U]

At the same time, an unmanned vehicle is automatically formed.

[den3080]

Yes. True invisibility will suffer ... slightly Well, this is a dialectic :))

[Lipchanin]

Quote: den3080

it will fly on a cable from a power source, well, like cord models :))

Like trolleybuses. To here

[aleks26]

Quote: bessmertniy

If the Chinese have so confidently advanced in the development of laser weapons that they can equip a fighter with a laser gun, then this will indeed be a very serious advantage

Yeah, nuclear-pumped

[rocket757]

It is noted that in order to obtain such an advantage, a laser aircraft gun must be installed on a Chinese-made fighter.

Beautiful idea ... or fantasy? Let's see how they will do what happens.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: rocket757

Beautiful idea ... or fantasy

Fantasy. Death Star, damn it! It will not be very soon that such laser cannons will appear on airplanes ... especially on fighters ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Fantasy. "The Death Star",

Why immediately the death star. They will call it more modest, for example, "Millennium Falcon". They will put the Chinese Han Solo in the cockpit, and will be smacking someone from a laser cannon. In general, let these laser fighters, for a start, "finish" the engine for their J-20. And then they already speak about their advantage over the "imperial stormtroopers".

[rocket757]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Fantasy. Death Star, damn it! It will not be very soon that such laser cannons will appear on airplanes ... especially on fighters ...

You cannot forbid dreaming, fantasizing.
It used to be, if made in America, then everything is cool ...
But the Chinese are sho with whom you will be led by that and will be typed! They do not want to remain on the sidelines, not in practice, so at least in words.
So sho wait, s, what else will be declared, they will praise.

[Vasyan1971]

You need to install a laser aircraft gun.

It is necessary - install. What is the bazaar about? Why should the air sway their fantasies?

[Skay]

Sohu says the fifth generation fighter aircraft is an echo from the past.

Americans in front of Vietnam also believed that rockets were cooler than guns ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Ours did not lag behind, the MiG-21 was without guns at first.

[Orkraider]

Laser gun ... (thoughtfully).
No, sometimes it's better not to read fiction. No, I admit that as a means of self-defense of the aircraft from missiles, they will appear in the near future, but I don’t believe that they can shoot down planes ...
therefore

At the same time, the J-20 has a chance to get a significant advantage over the American F-35.

a chance will remain only a chance))

[Svetlana]

What is a laser cannon? Translator error or something new?
We usually just say "Laser".

[thinker]

The author, Zhi Zhong, mentions words from Chinese social networks. In the original, 90% of the shortcomings of the F-35 and 10% of the steepness of the J-20

Americans directly stated that the J-20 could completely undermine the future model of air combat.

http://www.sohu.com/a/370735009_573460?spm=smpc.mil-home.feed.9.1580883760259UaeQ2tF

[Victor March 47]

So what? Gunpowder was opened first, rockets first, paper first, porcelain first, the Great Wall of China was built. (Evil tongues claim to be built by loopholes directed in their direction). Why not make a fighter with a clapperboard from flies the first?

[Magog]

"Evil tongues" continue to say that this very "very ancient" Great Wall is being built today in front of gullible and simple-minded tourists (an adobe break, and next to it, a jew's harp from a hewn stone).

[mikstepanenko]

"Evil tongues" continue to say that this very "very ancient" Great Wall is being built today in front of gullible and simple-minded tourists (an adobe break, and next to it, a jew's harp from a hewn stone).
Well, not quite right before our eyes, the old and the new can only be seen through binoculars, and even then not everywhere. And not now they thought of it, the modern tourist object "wall" was made in the days of Mao and the hungweipings. And not only the Chinese are like that. There the British built their Stonehend at the beginning of the last century, a photo of a construction site with quite modern (for that era) construction equipment surfaced.
And the real "Great Chinese" wall ran through the whole of Eurasia, part of it was even on the British Isles. Remains, earthen embankments, have survived to this day. These are the so-called "serpent's shafts". In some places they are such that the material of a kilometer of this "shaft" is enough for the Great Egyptian pyramid.
I can not insert a photo of the "serpent shafts".

[Magog]

I have the same problem: no quote, no picture. Everything seems to be clear in the toolbox of the comment window, but it doesn’t work - you have to adapt. About Stonehenge film is, and is called, dir. Yu.A. Elkhov.

[1959ain]

flapper first?

They had gunpowder until the 12th century was a cracker for flies, unwashed Mongols and then used it correctly

[Magog]

The invention of gunpowder and firearms, as a consequence of the first, was the work of Sergius (all right, Sergei!) Radonezhsky - an inventor-monk, a "great friend" of Dmitry Donskoy. The 12th century does not work.

[mikstepanenko]

Evil tongues claim to have built loopholes directed in their direction

And it depends on what kind. If the old one, which is several hundred years old, then yes, in its own direction the loopholes and in the "alien" stairs. The oldest surviving fragments of the wall are no more than several hundred years old, the building material (brick) does not stand up anymore, it crumbles into dust. And if the one where the tourists are taken, then the loopholes are as expected, and the wall itself is strong. But here and there it began to collapse. And in the wreckage they find pieces of newspapers from the times of Mao Tse Tung.

[Magog]

The invention of brick - the second half of the 16th century (Moscow and Kazan Kremlin (s)).

[mikstepanenko]

I can't say for Kazansky, I don't know. And the modern Moscow Kremlin was built in the middle of the 19th century, after Napoleon. It was COMPLETELY destroyed in the so-called "fire". Memories of persons from Napoleon's retinue have been preserved. The destruction was such that it was impossible to pass, the emperor and his retinue had to get out of the Kremlin along an underground passage, which began in some sort of heap of garbage. And all moves began ONLY from the towers, from which it follows that the towers were destroyed during the "fire". And yet, the expression "Moscow white stone" is still preserved. The Kremlin walls were built of white stone, and now they are of red brick. Although the surviving fragments of white stone were used in minor, inconspicuous places.
The durability of the brick is well illustrated by the preserved medieval European knight's castles, or rather what is left of them. It makes no sense to talk about thousands of years, a maximum of five hundred years.

[Magog]

The Kolomna Kremlin, it seems, was not destroyed by the interventionists, also made of 16th-century brick. True, they attribute the time of construction earlier than Moscow, but these are the nuances of dating ...

[Amateur]

What a stupid thing!

To date, the J-20 is the only adopted fighter in the world that does not have an air gun

There were two more, called the MiG-21 F13 of the first issues and the F-4A (F4H-1F) Phantom II, which lacked cannon armament and which showed "complete professional unsuitability" in close combat, after which they began to be armed with cannons, sometimes in "exotic" design in the form of hanging containers. Well, the "laser cannon" is incredible steepness, steeper than the terracotta army.

[K-50]

Well, from a cannon you can attack weakly and unreinforced ground and surface targets. With laser only bonfires tourists set fire to.
Again, the issue of power and energy supply. From here the weight of all this "comes out" and "how to fly with such weight now."
There are many desires. implementation paths are not enough.
Moreover, one cannot hear the complaints of our pilots regarding the use of air guns on any aircraft.
Maybe it costs while the Chinese create normal air guns? Well then their business.

[rotmistr60]

fifth generation fighter aircraft gun - echo from the past

Before the Vietnam War, it was also believed that direct air battles are a thing of the past, enough air-to-air missiles. But practice has shown the opposite.

need to install a laser aircraft gun

Something is wrong with the Chinese "specialists" from the media. It would be necessary to check.

[K-50]

Quote: rotmistr60

Something is wrong with the Chinese "specialists" from the media. It would be necessary to check.

Yes, let them, if they do not come out, they have a "stone flower" and they want to get rid of it.

[g1washntwn]

Meet the Chinese and Ilya Muromets.
Chinese man: - I know everything about you and mentally already defeated you, which means that half of the battle has already been won by me ...
Ilya Muromets, silently ... a whale in the mouth of a Chinese. Leaned toward him: - What about reality?

Sohu is not far behind the rest, only the lazy about the 6th generation laser did not write. But before the tie-fighter, it’s like a convertible Mask to the Alpha Centauri.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: 1959ain

flapper first?

They had gunpowder until the 12th century was a cracker for flies, unwashed Mongols and then used it correctly

If within the laws of physics, then a dinosaur will be able to fly. Only doubts prevail, how can one give such energy to a beam, having 10% efficiency, and such a fast and accurate guidance system that it will destroy a piece of iron accustomed to heat up in flight at supersonic up to 300 degrees? It is necessary, after all, not to get into the silhouette, but to the point. All right, from the ground, here the hospital itself is already half easier. Yes, and the generator can be carried with you on a steam train.

[wayden]

Will the laser gun run on batteries?

[Voltsky]

capacitors, and no at the moment will not work on anything.

[voyaka uh]

The cannon on the F-35 (and other fighters) is for "secondary purposes", such as a helicopter or a transport aircraft, when it is a pity to waste a missile. Or as a last resort, when your missile ammunition is over. Or, conversely, when the enemy was left unarmed.

[Voltsky]

Sohu - a wonderful portal, how to send a resume there ?! I, too, on the knee can make up the text of any message with 0 facts.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Magog

The runaway race for low ESR is generally akin to paranoia! Everything is good in moderation !

This strategy is akin to a game of hide and seek, and not just here, at hand, but on another continent. There, for sure, neither see nor get.
Any invisibility at a distance of 30 km is visible in all details.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: voyaka uh

Or in extreme cases, when your missile ammunition is over. Or, conversely, when the enemy was left without weapons.

In order to survive, in either case, you need to tear your claws, which the extolled 35 is not capable of. Here, call for help from a more armed fellow.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: wayden

Will the laser gun run on batteries?

Will be. Mask, Australia has one. 149 megawatts of installed power. True, out of 15 million finger-type elements made in fraternal China and torn out of the batteries of his electric car. Refurbished, and selected from a heap of completely dead.

[Ros 56]

I would like to know what this value is in meters

at a relatively short distance

Ours, too, at one time removed the guns from the MiG-21, no, I had to put them back to Phantoms and others to treat. One trouble with laser guns, clouds and other turbidity prevent them. And GS these things on the drum, the main thing is to aim.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: mikstepanenko

I can not insert a photo of the "serpent shafts".

You cannot directly place a picture here. Drag it to a dump of files, for example, I have a resource on the RADICAL. And taking the link from there, insert it here. For the correct image, you need to take the SECOND line in the links of the radical. For others, it happens, you need the 6th line.
https://radikal.ru/

[mikstepanenko]

Could not a single option.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: mikstepanenko

Could not a single option.

[lvov_aleksey]

as always, soooo, good propaganda

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Victor March 47

Quote: mikstepanenko

Could not a single option.

I don’t believe you, I can remake your circuits like 2 fingers, don’t read your tables because