In China, they said that it would give the J-20 fighter an advantage over the F-35 in air combat


In the military-thematic section of the Chinese publication, Sohu decided to discuss the appropriateness of the installation aviation guns on fifth generation fighters. The author of the material recalls the complaints of American pilots about significant vibration in the F-35 cockpit when using an air gun. This vibration acted on the display of information on monitors.


In addition, the effectiveness of using an automatic 4-barrel aircraft gun on a fifth-generation American fighter has raised questions in connection with the implementation of maneuvers in the air.

Sohu says the fifth generation fighter aircraft is an echo from the past. Chinese author:

To date, the J-20 is the only adopted fighter in the world that does not have an air gun. At the same time, the J-20 has a chance to get a significant advantage over the American F-35.

It is noted that in order to obtain such an advantage, a laser aircraft gun must be installed on a Chinese-made fighter.
From the material:

So far, no fighter has a laser aircraft gun. And if the J-20 receives it, and this can be expected in the near future, then we can talk about its significant superiority.

In China, I comment on this statement, they say that the laser cannon in the event of a “meeting” of the J-20 and F-35 at a relatively short distance will give the new generation Chinese fighter an undeniable advantage in air combat.
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  1. thanks 5 February 2020 09: 06 New
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    Some assumptions ... Wait and see!
    1. novel66 5 February 2020 10: 09 New
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      one thing is clear - J-20 can infect Fu-35 with coronovirus
      1. neri73-r 5 February 2020 12: 39 New
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        So far, no fighter has a laser aircraft gun. And if the J-20 receives it, and this can be expected in the near future, then we can talk about its significant superiority.

        Damn, they forgot to write about a personal blaster for a pilot, how would they be without a bear against the bears in the taiga when they bring down ?????? laughing wassat
        1. Range 5 February 2020 15: 59 New
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          Fu-35 will die earlier, before it becomes infected with a coronovirus. This virus requires long-term contact, and penguin-35 is not designed for a long fight. Oh, how would the Serbian word penguin dash 35 fit, but alas, the dislike of the Serbs of our filter compilers prohibits the use of harmless words of other nations.
      2. NIKN 5 February 2020 22: 29 New
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        Hi Roma! hi Neither one nor the other needs a cannon for the near WB because by the maneuverability of the BVB they can only lead with transporters. If you only provide for the SC, but somehow I can hardly imagine them here (for the SC using a gun), there is not enough imagination.
        1. novel66 6 February 2020 07: 19 New
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          about! Kolya. very healthy, quite a while! hi somehow a military plane without a gun .... unfinished some sort of something .. like an officer without a gun in a cabaret
          1. NIKN 6 February 2020 13: 41 New
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            hi
            like an officer without a gun in a cabaret

            smile Well then yes ... not according to the charter like that. smile
          2. NIKN 6 February 2020 13: 44 New
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            But such a gun cannon, it’s like hammering nails with a microscope, it’s already the 5th generation of the type, as I noted above, the BVB is not subject to it and it’s very expensive to work on the ground and it’s dangerous to shoot from a cannon. winked
            1. novel66 6 February 2020 13: 56 New
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              so, and the Americans want 35 to work on the ground. and almost replaced the A-10, but in general. here we were discussing with the sailor Serzhik the artillery battles of the Tu-95 against the aircraft carrier, it was fun
              1. NIKN 6 February 2020 14: 01 New
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                F-35 on the ground works unambiguously, but I don’t recommend using a gun with it, they’ll fill it up with a Vietnamese one without radar and advanced optics, so by eye. smile It’s like one of the tasks of breaking through air defense here on the earth, you don’t want to, only somehow from a distance beyond the defeat zone, and here it’s stealth just in topic.
                artillery battles Tu-95 against an aircraft carrier, it was fun
                smile Yes, here for intellectual fiction is just expanse lol
                1. novel66 6 February 2020 14: 15 New
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                  here, you can inquire
                  https://topwar.ru/107467-voenno-morskoy-triller.html#comment-id-6565330
      3. TermNachTer 6 February 2020 19: 26 New
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        Have narrow-film megalomania begun? It is not correct to compare the technology demonstrator with a real flying airplane, albeit with a host of problems.
  2. Vladimir_2U 5 February 2020 09: 06 New
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    complaints by American pilots about significant vibration in the F-35 cockpit when using an air gun
    Poor things, no one warned about the return!
    It is noted that in order to obtain such an advantage, a laser aircraft gun must be installed on a Chinese-made fighter.
    In the clouds it will be!
    1. Alexander Suvorov 5 February 2020 09: 49 New
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      Sohu says the fifth generation fighter aircraft is an echo from the past. Chinese author:

      To date, the J-20 is the only adopted fighter in the world that does not have an air gun. At the same time, the J-20 has a chance to get a significant advantage over the American F-35.
      Yeah, both ours and the Americans also refused guns at one time, but in Vietnam it suddenly became clear that missiles were not a panacea and in a close combat a gun was very necessary and they began to abruptly set them back.
      It is noted that in order to obtain such an advantage, a laser aircraft gun must be installed on a Chinese-made fighter.
      From the material:

      So far, no fighter has a laser aircraft gun. And if the J-20 receives it, and this can be expected in the near future, then we can talk about its significant superiority.
      Why, put a blaster right away and don’t forget the Jedi’s sword, and you will be happy.
      Damn, Sohu already National Interest surpassed at the level of "analysts" ... laughing
      1. Magog 5 February 2020 10: 04 New
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        The Americans started the F-16 program after Vietnam - “it got to the giraffe” that air superiority is obtained by sweat and blood in close air combat and, accordingly, if possible by light maneuverable aircraft (at that time MiG-21). But how can you do without a gun in such a battle? But is the F-35 super-maneuverable enough? Hence the question: is this unit capable of conducting BVB? And maybe he really doesn’t need a gun?
        1. Alexander Suvorov 5 February 2020 10: 10 New
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          Of course, I could be wrong, but neither the F-35 nor the J-20 are imprisoned under the BVB. One of them has vibration and lack of maneuverability, while the other has generally dim characteristics, and there is no gun. So in the event of a direct clash in the BVB, not one of them has a chance before ours. But here, again, the use of aviation in the complex will take into account the use of AWACS aircraft, counteraction against electronic warfare, air defense and other factors. In any case, I believe that the supposedly “invisibility” will not help the penguin, and hardly anything shines for the Chinese at all. There, in general, in my opinion, it is continuous PR, judging by the absence of any data on the LTH of the Chinese.
          1. Magog 5 February 2020 10: 18 New
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            The runaway race for low ESR is generally akin to paranoia! Everything is good in moderation !
            1. Alexander Suvorov 5 February 2020 10: 21 New
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              The funny thing is that the myth about this notorious EPR has already been debunked, but the Americans continue to push it wherever they can with the stubbornness of rams.
              I don’t remember who exactly, in my opinion, Churchill said about them that the Americans would definitely find the right way out, but at the same time they would try all the wrong ones.
              1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 11: 10 New
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                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                I don’t remember who exactly, in my opinion, Churchill said about them that the Americans would definitely find the right way out, but at the same time they would try all the wrong ones.

                Yes, here it’s even better said
        2. g1washntwn 5 February 2020 10: 45 New
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          Quote: Magog
          And maybe he really doesn’t need a gun?

          Yes maybe. This is the same Vietnamese pure rocket rake, but with a small bonus for stealth.
          From afar, I blundered everything that was and until they noticed they crawled back, and rejuvenated old men F-15/16/18 or UAVs will go for finishing and in BVB. F-35 even with the letter "A" is a purely camper. And look for the tactics of using the English longbow (longbow) and then apply to air combat and F-35.
          1. Magog 5 February 2020 11: 13 New
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            For such a vile role in aerial combat, nothing is simpler and cheaper. certainly not find it. Heavy combat UAV, for example. Yes, any available device capable of launching a long-range air-to-air missile. Further: "a tale of a white bull" nicknamed "BVB" ...
            1. g1washntwn 5 February 2020 15: 28 New
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              Quote: Magog
              Heavy combat UAV, for example.

              In the near future - hardly. It may be like slave and remote weapon platforms in a network center, but as a decision-making center in this network, a person (who needs to be protected) at the helm is still indispensable. Therefore - only camper tactics and no hardcore. “The concept of impunity killing” is binding.
    2. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 11: 06 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Poor things, no one warned about the return!

      And where did she come from ...? request
  3. bessmertniy 5 February 2020 09: 06 New
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    If the Chinese have so confidently advanced in the development of laser weapons that they can equip a fighter with a laser gun, then this will indeed be a very serious advantage compared to others. But probably not for long. Until the laser guns install others. hi
    1. Same lech 5 February 2020 09: 12 New
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      What other laser guns ... so long as lighters for today ... we need powerful power sources for these lasers ... while scientists still have to work and work for them.
      1. den3080 5 February 2020 09: 47 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        What other laser guns ... so long as lighters for today ... we need powerful power sources for these lasers ... while scientists still have to work and work for them.

        nicho nicho, will fly on a cable from a power source, well, like cordova models :)).
        1. Vladimir_2U 5 February 2020 09: 58 New
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          At the same time, an unmanned vehicle is automatically formed. laughing
          1. den3080 5 February 2020 10: 31 New
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            Yes. True invisibility will suffer ... slightly smile Well, this is a dialectic :))
        2. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 11: 14 New
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          Quote: den3080
          it will fly on a cable from a power source, well, like cord models :))

          Like trolleybuses. To here laughing
    2. aleks26 5 February 2020 11: 43 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      If the Chinese have so confidently advanced in the development of laser weapons that they can equip a fighter with a laser gun, then this will indeed be a very serious advantage

      Yeah, nuclear-pumped laughing
  4. rocket757 5 February 2020 09: 07 New
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    It is noted that in order to obtain such an advantage, a laser aircraft gun must be installed on a Chinese-made fighter.

    Beautiful idea ... or fantasy? Let's see how they will do what happens.
    1. Mountain shooter 5 February 2020 09: 15 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Beautiful idea ... or fantasy

      Fantasy. "Death Star", damn it! Very soon, such laser guns will appear on airplanes ... Especially on fighters ...
      1. orionvitt 5 February 2020 09: 32 New
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        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Fantasy. "The Death Star",

        Why immediately star of death. They will call it more modest, for example, the Millennium Falcon. They will put him in the cockpit of the Chinese Han Solo, and will be someone to naughty from a laser gun. In general, let these laser fighters first “finish” the engine for their J-20. And then they express their advantage over the “imperial stormtroopers”. laughing
      2. rocket757 5 February 2020 10: 27 New
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        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Fantasy. "Death Star", damn it! Very soon, such laser guns will appear on airplanes ... Especially on fighters ...

        You cannot forbid dreaming, fantasizing.
        It used to be, if made in America, then everything is cool ...
        But the Chinese are sho with whom you will be led by that and will be typed! They do not want to remain on the sidelines, not in practice, so at least in words.
        So sho wait, s, what else will be declared, they will praise.
  5. Vasyan1971 5 February 2020 09: 08 New
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    You need to install a laser aircraft gun.

    It is necessary - install. What is the bazaar about? Why should the air sway their fantasies?
  6. Skay 5 February 2020 09: 08 New
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    Sohu says the fifth generation fighter aircraft is an echo from the past.

    Americans in front of Vietnam also believed that rockets were cooler than guns ...
    1. Vladimir_2U 5 February 2020 09: 20 New
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      Ours did not lag behind, the MiG-21 was without guns at first.
  7. Orkraider 5 February 2020 09: 10 New
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    Laser gun ... (thoughtfully).
    No, sometimes it's better not to read fiction. No, I admit that as a means of self-defense of the aircraft from missiles, they will appear in the near future, but I don’t believe that they can shoot down planes ...
    therefore
    At the same time, the J-20 has a chance to get a significant advantage over the American F-35.
    a chance will remain only a chance))
  8. Svetlana 5 February 2020 09: 26 New
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    What is a "laser gun"? Error translator or something new?
    We usually just say "Laser."
    1. thinker 5 February 2020 10: 24 New
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      The author, Zhi Zhong, mentions words from Chinese social networks. In the original, 90% of the shortcomings of the F-35 and 10% of the steepness of the J-20
      Americans directly stated that the J-20 could completely undermine the future model of air combat.

      http://www.sohu.com/a/370735009_573460?spm=smpc.mil-home.feed.9.1580883760259UaeQ2tF
  9. Victor March 47 5 February 2020 09: 31 New
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    So what? Gunpowder was opened first, rockets first, paper first, porcelain first, the Great Wall of China was built. (Evil tongues claim to be built by loopholes directed in their direction). Why not make a fighter with a clapperboard from flies the first?
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    2. Magog 5 February 2020 10: 14 New
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      "Evil tongues" continue to say that this very "very ancient" Great Wall is being built today in front of the eyes of gullible and simple-minded tourists (they are breaking adobe, and they are making harps of stone near it).
      1. mikstepanenko 5 February 2020 14: 48 New
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        "Evil tongues" continue to say that this very "very ancient" Great Wall is being built today in front of the eyes of gullible and simple-minded tourists (they are breaking adobe, and they are making harps of stone near it).
        Well, not quite before our eyes, the old with the new can only be seen with binoculars, and even then not everywhere. And not now thought of it, the modern tourist site "wall" was made in the days of Mao and the Hungweibins. And not only the Chinese are. The British built their Stonehand at the beginning of the last century, surfaced a photo of a construction site with completely modern (for that era) construction equipment.
        And the real "great Chinese" wall went through all of Eurasia, some were even on the British Isles. The remains, earthen embankments, have survived now. These are the so-called "serpentine shafts." In some places they are such that the material of a kilometer of this “rampart” is enough for the Great Egyptian pyramid.
        I can’t insert a photo of the "serpentine shafts".
        1. Magog 5 February 2020 18: 04 New
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          I have the same problem: no quote, no picture. Everything seems to be clear in the toolbox of the comment window, but it doesn’t work - you have to adapt. About Stonehenge film is, and is called, dir. Yu.A. Elkhov.
    3. 1959ain 5 February 2020 10: 14 New
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      flapper first?
      They had gunpowder until the 12th century was a cracker for flies, unwashed Mongols and then used it correctly
      1. Magog 5 February 2020 10: 31 New
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        The invention of gunpowder and firearms, as a consequence of the first, is the work of Sergius (still Sergey correctly!) Of Radonezh - inventor-monk, "great friend" Dmitry Donskoy. The 12th century does not work.
    4. mikstepanenko 5 February 2020 14: 35 New
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      Evil tongues claim to have built loopholes directed in their direction

      And it depends on what. If the old one, which is several hundred years old, then yes, in its direction loopholes and into the "alien" stairs. The oldest surviving fragments of the wall are no more than a few hundred years old, the building material (brick) does not withstand more, crumbles into dust. And if the one where tourists are taken, then the loopholes as expected, and the wall itself is strong. Here are just some places began to collapse. And in the wreckage they find pieces of newspapers from the time of Mao Jie Dong.
      1. Magog 5 February 2020 18: 07 New
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        The invention of brick - the second half of the 16th century (Moscow and Kazan Kremlin (s)).
        1. mikstepanenko 5 February 2020 21: 09 New
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          I can’t say for Kazan, I don’t know. And the modern Moscow Kremlin was built in the middle of the 19th century, after Napoleon. It was completely destroyed by the so-called "fire." Preserved memories of persons from the retinue of Napoleon. The destruction was such that it was impossible to get through; the emperor and his retinue had to get out of the Kremlin along an underground passage that began in some sort of garbage pile. And all the moves started ONLY from the towers, whence it follows that the towers were destroyed in a “fire”. And yet, the expression "Moscow is white stone" is still preserved. The Kremlin, the walls, were made of white stone, and now of red brick. Although the surviving fragments of white stone were used in minor inconspicuous places.
          The durability of the brick is well illustrated by the preserved medieval European knight's castles, or rather what is left of them. It makes no sense to talk about thousands of years, a maximum of five hundred years.
          1. Magog 6 February 2020 11: 24 New
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            The Kolomna Kremlin, it seems, was not destroyed by the interventionists, also made of 16th-century brick. True, they attribute the time of construction earlier than Moscow, but these are the nuances of dating ...
  10. Amateur 5 February 2020 09: 47 New
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    What a stupid thing!
    To date, the J-20 is the only adopted fighter in the world that does not have an air gun
    fool There were two more, under the name MiG-21 F13 of the first releases and F-4A (F4H-1F) Phantom II, which lacked cannon weapons and which showed "complete professional unsuitability" in close combat, after which they were armed with guns, sometimes in "exotic" execution in the form of suspended containers. Well, the "laser gun" - incredible steepness, steeper than the terracotta army.
  11. K-50 5 February 2020 10: 00 New
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    Well, from a cannon you can attack weakly and unreinforced ground and surface targets. With laser only bonfires tourists set fire to.
    Again, the issue of power and energy supply. From here the "weight" of all this "crawls out" and "how now to fly with such weight".
    There are many desires. implementation paths are not enough.
    Moreover, one cannot hear the complaints of our pilots regarding the use of air guns on any aircraft. request
    Maybe it costs while the Chinese create normal air guns? Well then their business. fellow
  12. rotmistr60 5 February 2020 10: 24 New
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    fifth generation fighter aircraft gun - echo from the past
    Before the Vietnam War, it was also believed that direct air battles are a thing of the past, enough air-to-air missiles. But practice has shown the opposite.
    need to install a laser aircraft gun
    Something is wrong with the Chinese "experts" from the media. It would be necessary to check.
    1. K-50 5 February 2020 10: 33 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Something is wrong with the Chinese "experts" from the media. It would be necessary to check.

      Yes, let them, the "stone flower" does not appear among them, and they want to get rid of it. lol
  13. g1washntwn 5 February 2020 10: 29 New
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    Meet the Chinese and Ilya Muromets.
    Chinese man: - I know everything about you and mentally already defeated you, which means that half of the battle has already been won by me ...
    Ilya Muromets, silently ... a whale in the mouth of a Chinese. Leaned toward him: - What about reality?
    laughing
    Sohu is not far behind the rest, only the lazy about the 6th generation laser did not write. But before the tie-fighter, it’s like a convertible Mask to the Alpha Centauri.
  14. Victor March 47 5 February 2020 10: 36 New
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    Quote: 1959ain
    flapper first?
    They had gunpowder until the 12th century was a cracker for flies, unwashed Mongols and then used it correctly

    If within the laws of physics, then a dinosaur will be able to fly. Only doubts prevail, how can one give such energy to a beam, having 10% efficiency, and such a fast and accurate guidance system that it will destroy a piece of iron accustomed to heat up in flight at supersonic up to 300 degrees? It is necessary, after all, not to get into the silhouette, but to the point. All right, from the ground, here the hospital itself is already half easier. Yes, and the generator can be carried with you on a steam train.
  15. wayden 5 February 2020 10: 49 New
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    Will the laser gun run on batteries?
    1. Voltsky 5 February 2020 11: 58 New
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      capacitors, and no at the moment will not work on anything.
  16. voyaka uh 5 February 2020 11: 00 New
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    The cannon on the F-35 (and other fighters) - for "secondary purposes", such as a helicopter or transporter, when it is a pity to spend the rocket. Or in extreme cases, when your missile ammunition is over. Or, conversely, when the enemy was left without weapons.
  17. Voltsky 5 February 2020 11: 57 New
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    Sohu - a wonderful portal, how to send a resume there ?! I, too, on the knee can make up the text of any message with 0 facts.
  18. Victor March 47 5 February 2020 12: 00 New
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    Quote: Magog
    The runaway race for low ESR is generally akin to paranoia! Everything is good in moderation !

    This strategy is akin to a game of hide and seek, and not just here, at hand, but on another continent. There, for sure, neither see nor get.
    Any invisibility at a distance of 30 km is visible in all details.
  19. Victor March 47 5 February 2020 12: 02 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    Or in extreme cases, when your missile ammunition is over. Or, conversely, when the enemy was left without weapons.

    In order to survive, in either case, you need to tear your claws, which the extolled 35 is not capable of. Here, call for help from a more armed fellow.
  20. Victor March 47 5 February 2020 12: 03 New
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    Quote: wayden
    Will the laser gun run on batteries?

    Will be. Mask, Australia has one. 149 megawatts of installed power. True, out of 15 million finger-type elements made in fraternal China and torn out of the batteries of his electric car. Refurbished, and selected from a heap of completely dead.
  21. Ros 56 5 February 2020 16: 11 New
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    I would like to know what this value is in meters
    at a relatively short distance

    Ours, too, at one time removed the guns from the MiG-21, no, I had to put them back to Phantoms and others to treat. One trouble with laser guns, clouds and other turbidity prevent them. And GS these things on the drum, the main thing is to aim.
  22. Victor March 47 5 February 2020 18: 40 New
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    I can’t insert a photo of the "serpentine shafts".

    You cannot directly place a picture here. Drag it to a dump of files, for example, I have a resource on the RADICAL. And taking the link from there, insert it here. For the correct image, you need to take the SECOND line in the links of the radical. For others, it happens, you need the 6th line.
    https://radikal.ru/
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      Could not a single option.
  23. Victor March 47 5 February 2020 22: 15 New
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    Quote: mikstepanenko
    Could not a single option.


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    as always, soooo, good propaganda
  25. lvov_aleksey 6 February 2020 03: 45 New
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    Quote: Victor March 47
    Quote: mikstepanenko
    Could not a single option.



    I don’t believe you, I can remake your circuits like 2 fingers, don’t read your tables because