We protest pension reform only in our own kitchen


It is strange for me to hear reproaches from some fellow readers that little attention is paid to the issue of pension reform. Firstly, this topic has been and will be relevant for quite some time. Just because, under existing realities, the number of pensioners will increase. And secondly, it’s not even the age of retirement. The problem is much deeper, much more complicated.


Today, many Russians have suspicions that reform is a hoax.

Why was this all about? Remember the beautiful picture that the former prime minister painted? Pensioners who live in prosperity and care from the state. Pensioners who relax in resorts and holiday homes on their decent (compared to the average salary) pension.

What is it now? What did senior citizens receive? Penny supplement to retirement. And how has the quality of life changed in 2020? No way. The age of survival (that’s how noble people call old age) - it is the age of survival. Dear pensioner, when will you finally go to the graveyard so that officials do not wrest the nerves and government money does not eat up! ..

It was funny for me to see how personally the Russian president decided to amend the constitution on mandatory indexation of pensions. As a person trying to understand political issues, I understand that Putin, by his authority, is trying to smooth out the negative reaction of society to pension reform.

But I understand another thing. The Constitution is a law that is not necessary to enforce. Here is a government decree, a presidential decree must be executed. Here, non-performance threatens with the loss of a soft chair and a bunch of other goodies associated with a certain position.

Due to my own age, I communicate a lot just with pre-pensioners and “young pensioners”. To meet a healthy person among them, especially among men, is quite problematic. If a person has worked all his life, then by the age of 60 he will in any case receive a certain set of diseases.

Yes, many today are forced to work. It is forced! It is impossible to live on a beggarly pension. But who do they work with? Parking guarded or garage cooperative. Watchman! For more, there is simply no strength. The salary is cheap, but as an addition to the pension, it allows you to survive. What now? Age of survival ...

We talk and write a lot about the fact that reform should be at least suspended. I must admit that this event is harmful not only for people, but also for the state. Only, most likely, this will not happen. We are not used to the power to admit our mistakes. More precisely, this: we do not know how to demand from the government to admit mistakes.

When they started talking about the upcoming reform, a wave of protest rallies organized by unions swept through the country. It became interesting: how many people will be at such a rally in my million-plus city? It is interesting simply because in kitchen conversations many expressed their protest.

Do you know how many protesters were real? A thousand, a maximum of one and a half! Yes, and judging by the nearby buses, they were brought by trade union activists in order from the regional council of the trade union. Here is such a protest.

When I ask pensioners today about their attitude towards reform, the majority vehemently proves their negative attitude (proved earlier, and now). But when you ask about participating in a rally, they turn sour right away. “He was busy, he didn’t know ... But what changed, and the officials specially adjusted it all ...” There are many excuses. Fact one. Not opposed. Frightened ... Protest - protest, but exclusively in our own kitchen.

By the way, a little earlier than this rally, Navalny held a rally in the same place. This fighter with the system gathered 5-6 times more people. And people of different ages. For some reason, no one there was afraid of the reaction of the authorities. After all, both rallies were legal. Permitted and carried out under the usual control of the police. Without any riot police and other horror stories.

I will end today with a simple listing of the results achieved.

So, last year 355 thousand people did not retire, which is 30% of the total number of people who were entitled to an old-age pension. Last year, the Pension Fund raised 5,246 trillion rubles.

There is another important news. Pension reform successfully ditch, no - reduce the number of pensioners! At least, such forecasts are made by some experts today. "The average temperature in the hospital", i.e. life expectancy has grown today. But the length of time when men (namely their pension is higher, because they work more often in highly paid jobs) will receive a pension, decreases. Three to four years! And therefore, as it were, we continue to criticize and protest, but only again no further than our own kitchen ...

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  1. Finches 5 February 2020 06: 38 New
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    This is a blatant slander !!! I protest in the living room, bedroom, corridor and even the toilet! Especially in the toilet - there I am bursting with anti-popular injustice ...laughing
    1. Phil77 5 February 2020 06: 43 New
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      Unfortunately, yes. Well and on the Internet we drive couples. hi
      1. Stas157 5 February 2020 08: 03 New
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        After refusing to pay "young" pensioners, the others were promised worthy retirement (they suddenly recognized that the Russians' pension is ridiculous).

        Well, where are the promised now worthy pensions? People just threw, circled around the finger. And now we are being rubbed with a kind face about some kind of patriotism ... this main patriot who has no replacement. Yes, so that the constitution is ruled.
        1. Svarog 5 February 2020 09: 12 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          Well, where are the promised decent pensions now?

          It is known where .. Only a naive person can believe in the pure intentions of these managers. I won’t be surprised if, after the adoption of the amendments to the Constitution, we have our own Elbasy and then completely cancel pensions .. About the abolition of pensions, there has been a long talk ... yes, this is actually a formality, since few men will live up to 65 years old .. Surprisingly how much these consciences do not have .. and it is amazing how this power can be maintained ..
          1. Sergej1972 5 February 2020 09: 31 New
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            Anyone who has not bent at the age of 35-50 is very likely to survive to 65 and to 75 years.
            1. Svarog 5 February 2020 09: 33 New
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              Quote: Sergej1972
              Anyone who has not bent at the age of 35-50 is very likely to survive to 65 and to 75 years.

              What are your conclusions based on?
          2. Varyag71 5 February 2020 12: 27 New
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            judging by the minuses, someone believes ...
            1. Lexus 5 February 2020 19: 25 New
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              judging by the minuses, someone believes ...

              ... and waiting. Either not for free, or out of stupidity. And those who violate their idyll are pounced on with fierce frenzy.
      2. Vladivostok1969 5 February 2020 08: 30 New
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        I went out. I go out and I will go on.
        1. gramatey 5 February 2020 10: 48 New
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          The same thing - in our city I was at meetings at trade unions and bulk. And then I will protest! Born 1967
    2. atalef 5 February 2020 08: 28 New
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      Quote: Finches
      and even a toilet!

      This is the strongest protest.
      Wed .... I wanted your reform laughing
      1. Finches 5 February 2020 08: 59 New
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        You understand everything correctly - because I'm already a pensioner! laughing
        1. Chervonny 5 February 2020 09: 54 New
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          And I’m at least 25 years old before retirement, if by then it is not canceled. Everything is possible with us, even that which is not possible.
          Quote: Stas157
          Well, where are the promised decent pensions now?

          Somewhere there, it is hidden from our eyes and someone may even manage, "earning" a pension.
          1. Lexus 5 February 2020 19: 45 New
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            And I’m at least 25 years old until retirement

            Just to live ... It really hurts seriously, the "funny family" for ordinary people undertook.
        2. Mordvin 3 5 February 2020 11: 50 New
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          Quote: Finches
          because I'm already a pensioner!

          And he is a Jew! laughing
          1. Finches 5 February 2020 12: 05 New
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            Russian pensioner and Russian Jew - brothers forever! laughing
        3. Dingo 16 February 2020 19: 50 New
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          You have no idea, Eugene, how lucky we are! I am also the 3rd year in retirement ...
    3. cradle 5 February 2020 11: 32 New
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      I am ashamed to ask: what is the form of your protest in the toilet? laughing
      1. Finches 5 February 2020 12: 06 New
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        Fiery! laughing
        1. cradle 12 February 2020 07: 21 New
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          do you go there with a lighter? Caution
          1. Finches 12 February 2020 07: 23 New
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            Not! In explosive places I do not smoke! laughing
  2. Ravil_Asnafovich 5 February 2020 06: 40 New
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    Protest - we protest, but only in our own kitchen. I agree, dear author, you travel around the countryside, to small cities, especially single-industry towns, there is simply no one to protest, almost all healthy people live on their suitcases, from shift to shift, and when they arrange protests ???
    1. Ilya-spb 5 February 2020 07: 08 New
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      In Russia they don’t know how to protest ...

      But the Russian rebellion is senseless and merciless.
      And it happens all of a sudden.

      Maybe those in power should not bring the situation to revolt?
      1. Oleg Skvortsov 5 February 2020 07: 44 New
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        Envy takes to the French - people are able to stand up for their interests.
        But in Russia everything is different - in our country women retire at the age of 60.
        Therefore, everything is fine. Yes, and rumors went that the Duma was preparing laws for Putin on his next cadence. Everything is different with us. We're the best. After all, they know that nothing will pass from the party in power, no one except the leader. It’s all Americans who prepare them color, but we have a normal pulse. A leader will rule until 85 years old, like Berlusconi. And in order to live, the country needs to be raised to the standard age of the western pension - 67 years. After all, people already live as long as the Soviets, and the new state owes them nothing (D Medvedev). And America will catch up with retirement. And no disturbances to you - the worse the better. It is necessary to temper the will. And who does not have it - drink vodka. And to raise pensions it is necessary to go out with slogans glorifying the leader and the government. But a lot of unconscious. But then we must fight for the purity of the teachings of oligarchism. After all, the constructed system is pure oligarchism, which, as some say, we do not have. The people and the leader are one.
        Let it live worse, but we will show the Yankees in Syria and maybe even in Iran. Let them know where the crayfish hibernate. This is the only bread for the weak, for the patriots - live badly, hard, but conquer the floor of the world and then you will heal. Guns instead of oil. Although the guns no longer have money. Especially in the Navy. The main thing is to believe that we are on the right track, and whoever doubts is the enemy.
        1. Monster_Fat 5 February 2020 08: 29 New
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          So here, it’s all simple (why in Russia there are no such strikes as “the French”). Well, for example, “the French” have unions almost everywhere, they hire and fire there, only with the consent of the union. And go to the demonstration -And then, sitting in the “monkey house” for this is not considered a crime among the frogs — they even consider it to be something positive, such as “actively losing their citizenship” and dismissing an employee for this, no one has the right. If you go to the demonstration of Russia, if you go to a demonstration, God forbid, you get into the "monkey" and miss work hours — you fly out of work without a severance pay, and then run around, look for a new job — no one wants to lose at least the little that is now, therefore, "sit in the kitchens" .....
          1. The leader of the Redskins 5 February 2020 09: 24 New
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            I fully support! I had a case. Moscow. A hard worker, on his way to work he found himself in the area of ​​the rally. I took a couple of steps to see what and why we “swept” the company!
            And he, not that irreplaceable, but the absence was felt. They kicked him, set him free ... But my bosses at once - can he fire him? I had to defend. Moreover, with difficulty. The hard worker is positive - he didn’t drink, he didn’t scandal, the specialist is good ...
          2. Galleon 5 February 2020 10: 24 New
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            Here it is, my like-minded person! It is the absence of trade unions that allows authorities and owners to deal with people at their whim, and not according to the law. An unplowed field of activity that can grow new leaders, if not of the nation, then at least of its working part: legally literate, seasoned in judicial debate and political struggle ... and most importantly: this is the way to achieve a better life and the realization of their rights WITHOUT SPILLING BLOOD AND REVOLUTION.
          3. cradle 5 February 2020 11: 34 New
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            Well, who's stopping the union?
            1. Mordvin 3 5 February 2020 11: 55 New
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              Quote: besik
              Well, who's stopping the union?

              Give it a try. You will be fired lively with the slogan: "There are a lot of these behind the fence!"
              1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 12: 36 New
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                So, sorry, this is a struggle, it does not happen bloodless. No good uncle will organize a union for you. In all countries where trade unions are a force, they were created with sweat and blood.
                1. New Year day 5 February 2020 23: 12 New
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  they were created later and blood.

                  calling or hinting?
        2. atalef 5 February 2020 08: 34 New
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          Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
          . Everything is different with us. We're the best

          Of course, everything is predictable and stable.
          They are stupid people.
          Zelinsky won in Ukraine, they will tell what is paid .. I wonder who had the dough more than Porshenko (well, who thinks about it)
          In the United States, the blue, neither well-known Biden nor Sanders defeated the primaries in the dem party.
          Same paid?
          There, at least the people decide, a stupid choice, not a stupid one - time will tell, but the voter has the opportunity to influence.
          But in Russia everything is as it should be - the party in power, one nominated candidate, the herd obediently good-humored, stability - but looking at the comments is all against it.
          Where were you during the election? Didn’t you give this opportunity with foam at the mouth proving that they are stupid, and we have everything ok.
          1. Oleg Skvortsov 5 February 2020 08: 59 New
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            Alexander, I was in the same place as always). He voted for a completely impassable candidate. And the cashier is mainly made by state employees, of which they are driven in droves to polling stations. And yet - "If something depended on the elections, we would not be allowed to participate in them!" - Mark Twain.
            1. atalef 5 February 2020 09: 15 New
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              [/ quote] [quote = Oleg Skvortsov] And yet - "If something depended on the elections, we would not be allowed to participate in them!" - Mark Twain.

              Do not drag quotes, they are not always relevant,
              An example of this is Trump, Zelensky, Macron and many others.
              Now from neta, you can overlap real and imaginary quotes of famous and unknown personalities - for the sole purpose - to justify your laziness
              1. Gardamir 5 February 2020 10: 35 New
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                Well I do not know. Remember how many tons of dirt poured on Grudinin. The only one in the country robbed the people, and took the money abroad. And the one who won did not even participate in the debate. Busy was getting ready to sign a decree on raising the retirement age.
          2. Nyrobsky 5 February 2020 11: 14 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Where were you during the election? Didn't you give it an opportunity
            Good question. Correct answer. We have kitchen debates, boils and steam issues for years from elections to elections, on a daily basis, but when the time comes to show their citizenship in the elections, the majority of voters prefer grinding their stools with their fifth point, arguing that “elections will not change anything” . In principle, this mass of people can be safely ranked as supporting the United Russia and its reforms, including the pension one. The more “muddy-ideological” ones stay at home, the higher the result for Edra, the party serving the interests of the minority that seized the country's financial and economic resources. After the retirement shake, there was a slight surge in population activity in the annual September elections in 2018, when in a number of regions for the first time in history, United Russia lost in some provinces and municipalities. A bit, but a fact. It is impossible to say that this did not affect Edra’s mood, since having caught the growing protest vote, already in the 2019 elections, some of their candidates went to the polls not as representatives of United Russia, but as self-nominees, “embarrassed” to advertise their affiliation to the party, causing people irritation . Now, for the 2021 elections to the Duma and the presidential elections in 2024, several one-day, quarterly, and one-and-a-half-year-old parties such as For Roads Without Bumps, For Truth, For People's Trust, and different “Pros” in order to disperse that small, still voting electorate in favor of newborns, but not decisive parties, having pulled votes from the Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party and the Slovak Republic in order to ensure the majority of Edru. Therefore, it is necessary to vote not for "pretty" or with a "good name", but for someone from the traditional troika, in order to provide this troika with the opportunity to deprive Edro of a majority in the Duma. We do not have other forms of civil protest, or they are even less popular than the same elections.
          3. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 16: 55 New
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            Who had the most money? Vestimo at Kolomoisky, Zelensky is his protege. Plus non-standard PR moves.
        3. Nikolai Grek 6 February 2020 00: 58 New
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          Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
          Envy takes to the French

          the pseudo-artist pavlensiky also envied him until he got there and tried on himself all the charms of a French ryZhYM !! wink laughing
      2. Den717 5 February 2020 08: 25 New
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        Quote: Ilya-spb
        And it happens all of a sudden.

        There is almost nothing sudden in life. There is inability and unwillingness to engage in analysis and forecasting.
      3. Deck 5 February 2020 09: 16 New
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        In Russia they don’t know how to protest ...


        Somehow we dress incorrectly. Maybe that's why they don’t hear? laughing


      4. DPN
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        So it depends on YOU.
    2. Svarog 5 February 2020 09: 20 New
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      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      there is simply no one to protest, almost the entire healthy population lives on their suitcases, from shift to shift, and when do they organize protests ???

      In order to organize protests, the organizer and the wide coverage of this event need to be understood .. It is clear that the media will not cover this topic, and the organizers, to put it mildly, are afraid of themselves .. In Kazan, the thrown investors, decided to send their representatives to Moscow for a picket .. in order to draw attention to this problem .. As a result, the organizers were fired from work, they worked in state-owned enterprises, and most surprisingly, when they began to transfer money to the card, the interest holders threw off, the Sberbank blocked the card .. So the protests are not as simple as it seems ..
      1. Lynx33 6 February 2020 07: 19 New
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        I agree, therefore, I propose to switch to cash, digital money is the biggest evil ever invented by mankind.
  3. Vladimir_2U 5 February 2020 06: 40 New
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    Yeah, what to talk about. But while people have not yet cleared the brains, and the active ones still do not think much about retirement.
  4. Dimy4 5 February 2020 06: 41 New
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    In my opinion, even if the whole country came out, the authorities would be in a drum. They live in a different world.
    1. evgenii67 5 February 2020 06: 50 New
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      In another Russia, where there are almost no poor, where the standard of living is growing, where medicine is at the world level, they just treat their sores with a foreign remedy.
  5. Same lech 5 February 2020 06: 43 New
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    Today, many Russians have suspicions that reform is a hoax.

    Deception can be disguised as revolution, optimization, reform, perestroika, hypocrisy, a substitution of concepts, fiction, lies in the name of salvation, bluffing, etc.
    Unfortunately, for the most part, our people are simple-minded and take the word for the majority of fraudsters both in power and in everyday life.
    It is necessary in our schools to introduce a new school subject ... the art of deception and its internal nature and the ability to recognize it in the initial stage.
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            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 5 February 2020 07: 18 New
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              Well, believe the TV.
              1. Same lech 5 February 2020 07: 20 New
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                Well, believe the TV.

                well, I do not smile that I’m malacholous or something to believe in Dom-2 and Malakhov ... but it happens that in this brothel a bit of interesting information skips.
    2. atalef 5 February 2020 08: 39 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      Unfortunately, for the most part, our people are simple-minded and take the word for the majority of fraudsters both in power and in everyday life.

      But do not you think that lying not only about pensions.
      But about Ukraine, Syria, successes in foreign policy and the fact that there are only enemies around just because everyone suddenly began to hate Russia, maybe they were born Russophobes.
      It may be worth considering that a lie ends not only with pension reform, it is more global and applies to all aspects of life.
      A lie intended only for one thing - to keep the current elites in power.
      Therefore, the opposition is the enemy. Bulk from arrests does not come out, liberals are liberals and in general, you yourself, anyone who goes against the policy of the power line will be the first to slaughter.
      1. Gardamir 5 February 2020 10: 41 New
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        They don’t lie about enemies. They have a talent for creating enemies.
      2. Golovan Jack 5 February 2020 12: 33 New
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        Quote: atalef
        A lie intended only for one thing - to keep the current elites in power

        Clear. But what Alexander broadcasts to us from Israel is the truth, and nothing but the truth. And its broadcasting is directed exclusively for the benefit of the oppressed shyrnarmass of the Russian Federation.

        I believe yes
  6. Clueless 5 February 2020 06: 49 New
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    Honestly, how you got it all .. (there’s a lot of obscenities), because when it was all discussed, the media / Internet resources didn’t open their mouths at all, they didn’t cover meetings, they didn’t put pressure on trade unions and others. In short, there were quiet waters, below the grass.
    And when everyone accepted, right away EVERY media and sites started writing, ah I yay, as it’s not good. Well, yes, when the law has already been adopted and it has no backtracking, you can already protest for a look.
    If hell exists, I hope all of you will be sent there for inaction in due time.
    1. Anatole Klim 5 February 2020 07: 09 New
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      If hell exists, I hope all of you will be sent there for inaction in due time.

      I went to a protest rally in my regional city before the adoption of the pension reform, there were a maximum of three to four thousand protesters, there were practically no youth, the youth did not think that youth was passing quickly, mostly there were people in their fifties. The designated place of protest was cordoned off by the police, a bus with tinted windows, probably OMON or SOBR, stood nearby. When the protesters wanted to go to the governor’s house, because the regional deputies had to either approve or not support the pension reform, a police colonel came out with a loudspeaker and said that the place of protest was determined here and it was forbidden to go anywhere, the organizers would be held accountable, here but an inconspicuous man ran with a video camera and shot particularly displeased. Gradually, everyone parted, no regional media spoke about the action.
      1. sabakina 5 February 2020 07: 24 New
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        Allocated venues for the rally in the most inconvenient places. And I think the quota for the number of people gave the most minimal.
        1. Revival 11 February 2020 16: 06 New
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          So far they are singling out, then the price of such meetings is worthless.
          And if you do not allocate? Is that all?
      2. Same lech 5 February 2020 07: 26 New
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        When the protesters wanted to go to the governor’s house, because the regional deputies had to either approve or not support the pension reform, a police colonel came out with a loudspeaker and said that the place of protest was determined here and it was forbidden to go anywhere

        Mdaa what that’s the whole mechanism of the people’s protest.
        Today, there are practically no direct effective levers of influence among the people on power.
        There are elections ... but as practice has shown ... (especially with the story of the half-dead Yeltsin in the second election), people can be boiled in the ears with anything under any clear slogan.
      3. atalef 5 February 2020 08: 40 New
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        young people do not think that youth is passing quickly, mostly there were people over fifty.

        Young people simply do not believe, she thinks how to blame ..
        Tired of promises.
      4. Varyag71 5 February 2020 13: 19 New
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        but 300-500 thousand would have come out, then this fraternity would not have shown its nose from the bus
  7. Far B 5 February 2020 06: 50 New
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    We talk and write a lot about the fact that reform should be at least suspended. I must admit that this event is harmful not only for people, but also for the state. Only, most likely, this will not happen. We are not used to the power to admit our mistakes. More precisely, this: we do not know how to demand from the government to admit mistakes.
    But in the light of the "recognition of errors" it became very interesting when Medvedev began to throw some strange rings about the introduction of a 4-day working week. That is, in fact, he recognized that it is possible to reduce a person’s total working time by 20%! If we take 40 years of work experience as a base indicator (as it was before the so-called “reform”), then this is minus 8 years! And they did plus 5 ... No, I'm ready to forgive - and forgave - Medvedev tricks with time zones. But with retirement, it’s somehow beyond. Copperfield ...
    1. Gardamir 5 February 2020 10: 44 New
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      Speaking of Medvedev. Who will be the whipping boys now?
  8. arhitroll 5 February 2020 07: 02 New
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    Because the majority of the population reconciled / accepted the capitalist system. Few people are ready to work hard around the clock, and even it’s not clear in the name of what, to fight for first place. Russia has become one of the players in the system. Man has not yet evolved and is not worthy for socialism — he is weak and deceitful ...
    1. Same lech 5 February 2020 07: 52 New
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      Man has not yet evolved and is not worthy for socialism — he is weak and deceitful ...

      So I want everything and immediately during my lifetime ... smile therefore, no country has succeeded to jump from capitalism (and even more so from feudalism) to developed socialism right away ... Cuba really still holds on ... but it also turns the rails in a general direction.
    2. Gardamir 5 February 2020 10: 48 New
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      About evolution. The direction was taken right in the matter of educating a new person. But then they went astray, only words remained. And now they are silently bending, remaking into a consumer.
      1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 12: 32 New
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        So they didn’t bring it up. As the communist press was removed, so many with great pleasure rushed, some to private business, some to lads and ladies with low social responsibility.
        And consumerism is one of the inalienable properties of the human mentality, nothing more, and no one has yet succeeded in breaking it, it was only obscured, and by force. And consumerism is no worse than the Soviet petition, in all aspects of life: from petitioning the seller to asking for an apartment.
        1. Gardamir 5 February 2020 13: 17 New
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          Here you are categorically wrong. Making a person better is harder.
          And now they beg for it, only for money. By the way, here is the question of freedom, the more money, the more freedom.
          1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 13: 40 New
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            Hard to say, hard. No matter how they tried to make us a “new man," nothing really happened. I often visit Finland, my friends live there, the picture is completely different there:
            "1. Most Finns have no craving for luxury. Luxury is a medieval oriental entertainment for degenerates. Only degenerate can poop into a gold toilet.
            2. Finns know that the illegal enrichment of their family at the expense of other representatives of their people is hatred of their people. Only geeks do this.
            3. The Finns clearly understand that the so-called "cut" of budgetary (that is, folk) means is hatred of their children and grandchildren, as they drive along these roads and study in these schools. Only a holy fool can hate his children and grandchildren.
            4. Finns are sure that a thief is always a coward. He lives in fear of exposure and fair retribution. Such a person cannot be free. Such a man is an outcast from the people.
            5. The Finns are convinced that "arranging" their children is a great harm in every sense of the word. If a person could not achieve everything himself, or at least legally enter into the inheritance through education and his successes, then he is not worthy of that right. To lay problems for the future for their children can only be a fool. "
            This "Finnish moral code", of course, I downloaded from the Internet, but it is fully consistent with the truth.
            Therefore, they have already built socialism, more precisely, a social state, without any pressure from above.
  9. Nonna 5 February 2020 07: 04 New
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    Be patient, you have a little left ....
    "Please treat this with understanding)"
  10. Titsen 5 February 2020 07: 07 New
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    Quote: Far In
    I'm ready to forgive - and forgave - Medvedev tricks with time zones. But with retirement, it’s somehow beyond. Copperfield ...


    So what? Ready to forgive, I will not forgive - why tirade?

    We are amorphous and not ready to perform. There are no leaders and will not hatch in the near future ....

    It remains only the survival .....
  11. Tank jacket 5 February 2020 07: 16 New
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    Before the Soviet Union collapsed and fell under the IMF (which raises the increase in the retirement age for all countries from above), everyone also protested in the kitchens. Protested sixties? Get results.
    PS
    Now “retire” just those who fell in love with the USSR and rode on the squares in the 90s under the Gaidar Tambourine ...
    Crime and Punishment.
  12. Free wind 5 February 2020 07: 17 New
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    Interesting figures are sometimes given by slaves and servants of the people. Over 5 years, life expectancy has increased by 5-7 years. In order to achieve these figures in 5 years, not only not one person should die, perish, but the dead must be revived.
  13. cloud catcher 5 February 2020 07: 25 New
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    And what does the esteemed author offer?
    Many understand that:
    indexation of pensions without inflation, reduces its increase to zero;
    in a couple of years, life expectancy cannot so dramatically increase;
    A 4-day working week, while maintaining the salary and flexibility of the work schedule of service organizations, is not expected;
    hard physical labor does not add health;
    work physically, often and mentally, after 60 is hard;
    the number of hours in the working week is not reduced (as in Europe ~ 35 hours, where they retire “late”, but there is time for rest and daily activities ... during the “life” period, not to mention Thailand, Iran and China)

    And the rest ... everything is fine, everything is fine!
    1. Monster_Fat 5 February 2020 08: 33 New
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      In Russia, there is only one possible, relatively safe form of protest - the "Italian strike."
  14. Nikitich 5 February 2020 08: 23 New
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    Our people can confront only external aggression, and under the internal lies and in every way justifies itself ...
  15. Loess 5 February 2020 08: 26 New
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    But here the length of time when men (namely their pension is higher, because they work more often in highly paid jobs) will receive a pension, is reduced. Three to four years!
    These "three to four years" a person will work for a salary. And the salary will be higher than the pension. So this argument is probably superfluous.
  16. Lamata 5 February 2020 08: 36 New
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    Well, why, no matter how they relate to Platoshkin, he is trying to do something, but again he comes up against a lot of inertia.
  17. Maks1995 5 February 2020 08: 46 New
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    What did you think? What will unions allow? Or will someone help pensioners?

    Passive everyone. And even inveterate patriots are dumping cars of dirt on Navalny, silently, that how to organize it is necessary to learn from him.
    Each patriot pulls in his direction, quarrels with others, and everyone is waiting, waiting ...
    1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 12: 50 New
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      Bulk to the patriots has nothing to do. A mound funded patriot is nonsense. Even the Communists, for all my disrespect for them, are much more orderly than the pro-Western liberotas.
      1. Maks1995 6 February 2020 08: 55 New
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        And, to those financed from behind the hill, everyone was recorded, down to the Goblin ....
        But it's not about who Navalny is.

        It's about what he knows how to organize. And this is not a sin to learn from the enemy.

        And the patriots can only pour mud on them and canine with each other .... but to organize something like that - FIG.
  18. Rafaell 5 February 2020 08: 53 New
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    All military personnel currently receive 70% of their legal pension!
  19. New Year day 5 February 2020 08: 53 New
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    There is a protest, some who protest with their feet, some with alcohol, some with their indifference. The faith of the thinking part of the population to power is torn and the answer will undoubtedly be. When and where to break through, no one knows.
    1. Lamata 5 February 2020 08: 56 New
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      And all this will result in a Russian rebellion, meaningless and merciless?
      1. Sergej1972 5 February 2020 09: 46 New
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        Rebels will quickly remember that other rebels can enclose their apartments, steal cars, etc. And they will run from the squares to defend their goods.)
    2. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 11: 14 New
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      With alcohol you protest only against your own health. A sign of lack of will.
  20. Prisoner 5 February 2020 09: 02 New
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    "Today, many Russians suspicions arise regarding the fact that reform is a hoax ... "(c) Do suspicions only arise? And we’re joking about the slowdown of Estonians. laughing What suspicions, prickly hedgehogs ?! Pure deception! hi
  21. hhhhhhh 5 February 2020 09: 05 New
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    Accept. You will not receive a pension. Only children can guarantee a comfortable old age.
  22. bandabas 5 February 2020 09: 07 New
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    A little aside, but the topic has a very close relationship. A friend of mine 3 years ago began to receive a pension at the age of 45, since he worked in the North and gained experience in the mine according to list No. 1. Now he is a working pensioner (certainly not at the mine anymore). Last year, he visited the Pension Fund, and tried to receive the funded part of the pension at once. After calculations, he was informed that when divided by the "age of survival", the amount of surcharges for the funded part exceeds the maximum by a couple of tens of rubles. So it turns out he earned a lot, expelled a lot, I'm sorry and move. There are 3 options. 1st — smudge on a “sandwich” on trifles (when leaving the state, the remaining part is successfully transferred to the state), 2nd — do nothing, and if the laws do not change, after the completion of the life path this amount will go to the heirs, 3rd wait another year or two, when his accumulations can fit into the framework and arrange everything as he wants, that is, at once. Yes! Its cumulative part is less than the salary of the newly made deputy "but you hold on."
  23. rocket757 5 February 2020 09: 10 New
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    We protest pension reform only in our own kitchen

    As in the old Soviet jokes ....
  24. Glory1974 5 February 2020 09: 13 New
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    Pensioners and the whole nation were deceived.
    Many after the January retirement are in shock. Working retirees have been removed from the social supplement for retirement. This is about 4-6 thousand rubles.
    Non-working people are paid a living wage. What kind of travel abroad is there, if with this money you can only not starve to death.
    The water in the boiler begins to boil.
    1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 16: 46 New
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      Something didn’t notice that I was charged a social surcharge. The surcharge for travel in city transport was added, yes.
      1. Glory1974 6 February 2020 08: 15 New
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        Are you a working pensioner?
      2. AU Ivanov. 6 February 2020 08: 57 New
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        Businessman. Officially.
  25. Boris55 5 February 2020 09: 15 New
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    Quote: A. Staver
    It was funny to see how personally the Russian president decided to amend the constitution on mandatory indexation of pensions.

    Are you against indexing pensions? Why don’t you like pensioners so much, or all the same Putin, who, with his amendments, reduced almost all the efforts of the IMF?

    Quote: A. Staver
    The Constitution is a law that is not necessary to enforce.

    Do you have any facts of violation of the Basic Law of the country (Constitution of the Russian Federation) by officials?
    Did you go to court with these facts and what are the results? Share it.

    Quote: A. Staver
    Not opposed. Frightened ...

    Are you scared? No. There was no organizing force capable of raising the masses.
    Unions say ... this is when it is pocket unions bourgeois opposed the lactating hand? The same applies to all parties - they dragged people away from different angles, blew steam and in the Duma, almost unanimously (more than 300 out of 450) approved the IMF decision ... Not a single elected local government, nor governors, nor officials less opposed. The entire "elite" advocated reform.

    Any mass event is very expensive and requires thoughtful management. As an example: Only officially on the Maidan in Kiev was spent 5 billion green and the presence of not only foreign curators, but also their officials with a rank of less.

    Quote: A. Staver
    By the way, a little earlier than this rally, Navalny held a rally in the same place. This fighter with the system gathered 5-6 times more people

    This is confirmed by me above. When there is organization and financing and there is a desire, then there is a result. The task of the organizers against the pension reform was to merge the anger of the people into no where ...

    I am against pension reform. It slows down the development of the country - the introduction of robotics becomes dangerous for stability in the country ("extra" people). It blocks youth’s access to jobs, pushing them to "spontaneous" protests against the government. As a result, the destruction of Russia and the civil war ...

    Quote: A. Staver
    Saving…

    The thousand that Medvedev promised for retirement, inflation ate before it began to be issued. The IMF's task is not to create US competitors, but to destroy them. "Our" deputies, all the Duma parties and authorities at all levels, successfully coped with this.
    1. Revival 11 February 2020 16: 28 New
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      That is, is it not a stupid window dress to introduce a norm on indexation in the constitution?
      In another way, well, do not index?
      Indexing can also be done once a year by 0.1% and they have allegedly complied with the constitution.
      It is also necessary that the water is wet in the constitution, otherwise it is not clear.
      As for the violated constitution: they adopted the law on pension reform, ignoring the constitutional provision on the inadmissibility of adopting laws that worsen the situation of citizens. We went to court, the result is 0!
      You can read the conclusion of the constitutional court
  26. Livonetc 5 February 2020 09: 16 New
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    Not true.
    There were protests and mass collection of signatures against this anti-popular reform.
    There were no demonstrations with Molotov cocktails and cobblestones for police officers.
    There were no barricades and burning tires.
    Unfortunately, the rulers we have chosen do not perceive civilized forms of popular protest.
  27. Was mammoth 5 February 2020 09: 17 New
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    "Today, many Russians have suspicions that reform is a hoax."
    Suspicions? And what reform of recent decades is not a hoax?
    It sounds strange, but most of us are law-abiding citizens. belay
    There are many reasons. I think there are two main ones.
    They do not believe either the authorities or the "opposition". There are plenty of reasons. The second one. It is only in the Constitution that there is "freedom of speech." In practice, an unknown official may prohibit or allow any rally. Those. in fact, the law is higher than the Constitution.
    To illustrate both reasons, an attempt can be made to hold a referendum on pension reform and the “popular vote” proposed by the government today.
  28. EvilLion 5 February 2020 09: 19 New
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    And what to protest against? Against the fact that more people work? Or the author of those who think that retirees are paying out of nowhere? In other countries, over 70 years of retirement age. Do you want to live, both in Germany, and you need to work, as in Germany.

    And so, we have only social. There are no guarantees for workers, but why, because you have to plow the shifts, go to the garden and dig there with a shovel. For what? Yes FIG knows, because in the Soviet deficit they did so. Under this business, of course, a car is needed, and then snot begins, that everything hurts when retired, and giving birth to children is expensive. First, ruin the health of 40 years, spend huge resources on nonsense, and then Putin is to blame.
    1. Nastia makarova 5 February 2020 11: 34 New
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      Are you against the garden ????
      1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 12: 06 New
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        If this is a hobby, then no. If this is a way to make money, then in terms of cost / benefit ratio this is not a good idea.
        1. Nastia makarova 5 February 2020 13: 19 New
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          natural foods that you can eat all winter !!! even if I don’t sell them, then saving on their purchase yields very good earnings
          1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 13: 30 New
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            It depends on how much you value your so-called workday. It’s easier for me personally to buy vegetables and fruits from a farmer or neighbors. During the time spent on the garden, I will earn much more than the cost of production.
            1. Nastia makarova 5 February 2020 13: 38 New
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              the garden is not instead of work but just an addition, especially since it is difficult to buy normal vegetables or very expensive
  29. Lamata 5 February 2020 09: 45 New
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    There is no money, but we must hold on)))) No, that is, money in the National Welfare Fund, but not about our honor, as the crisis breaks out, so they will be useful for equipping banks and a circle of friends of the Pleshivy. am
  30. Ros 56 5 February 2020 09: 51 New
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    Here are 64 comments written, the question is: how many of them are pensioners? The rest please do not worry. hi lol
    1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 11: 05 New
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      I `m a pensioner.
    2. NordUral 5 February 2020 11: 29 New
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      I am a pensioner, I voted for Grudinin and will vote for him again if I put up again.
      1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 12: 53 New
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        But not me. Ordinary populist. I would rather believe Churchill, who stated in his election speech: "All I can offer you is blood, hard work, tears and sweat."
        And I'm already fed up with fairy tales about a bright life.
        1. NordUral 5 February 2020 12: 55 New
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          All politicians would become such populists. And about fairy tales - here I agree with you, "our" power is still those Andersen.
  31. Paul Siebert 5 February 2020 10: 06 New
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    Calm down, members of the forum!
    Pension reform will be phased out in 2024.
    It was then that the Russians would vote for the presidential candidate, who put the fight against this pension reform at the head of the election campaign!
    This new president will return to his previous retirement dates.
    Men - 60 years old.
    Women - 55 years old.
    The "Age of Survival" will again become a "Happy Old Age", and grandparents, instead of the labor exchange, will spend time with their own grandchildren.
    After all, we are building a "social state" - we are about to change the Constitution ... wink
    1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 10: 23 New
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      I won’t be surprised. If you return the retirement age of 60/55 before the election, then the guarantor is guaranteed to pass for the next term.
      1. depressant 5 February 2020 11: 10 New
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        Here I agree with you, pilot Ivanov! ))))
        1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 11: 41 New
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          If you want to make a person happy, first make him feel bad, and then return it as it was.
          Ancient-ancient truth.
  32. Paul Siebert 5 February 2020 10: 33 New
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    And to Putin in 2024, we will appoint a decent pension for him!
    And even we will index it annually.
    According to the cost of living ... wink
  33. U-58 5 February 2020 10: 53 New
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    Here are the French, well done.
    Thousands of demonstrations, rallies against pension reform.

    Dear Rosians rebel Toko in the kitchen.
    Power has achieved its goal.
    The endless series about the poor rich girl, talk shows on the theme “What color are Alla Pugacheva’s cowards” or “How bad and wrong they live in Ukraine” did their job.

    Low practical activity.
    True, there is always a chance to fix everything.
    This is an election.
    But the simple-minded (or rather, weaned off normal perceive reality and think independently) Russian citizen for the first time throw an idea: who else to vote for?
    What sho you citizens for Toko! Or maidan. Or return to the 90s. Or ... what’s worse, a civil war.
    And the voter will almost obediently throw a bulletin for those pointed to by the television. Otherwise, it will not go to the joy of those who hold power who quickly apply the unused ballot as they should: to achieve the next mythical 76%.
    So, fellow citizens, think for yourself, not on TV and go to the polls.
    What we choose, then we will have ....
    1. NordUral 5 February 2020 11: 26 New
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      Otherwise - those who hold power, who will quickly use the unused ballot as they should, will not go to the delight of the authorities: to achieve the next mythical 76%.
      So, fellow citizens, think for yourself, not on TV and go to the polls.
      What we choose, then we will have ....

      That's it, I’m constantly saying this! I haven’t voted before, but while I’m alive, I will vote for candidates from the people, and not for these!
      If we vote everything, and even deliberately, then our life and our country will become fairer, albeit not immediately.
      1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 11: 44 New
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        From the people they are only at the stage of the candidate. As soon as they pass into power, they immediately become, as Lenin said: “They are terribly far from the people” Everyone wants to eat.
        1. NordUral 5 February 2020 11: 50 New
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          Not all, Andrey, not all.
          1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 11: 52 New
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            Not all, but an absolute majority. They go to power for material reasons.
            1. NordUral 5 February 2020 11: 56 New
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              The task of the right minority is to neutralize the self-serving, Andrey. Stalin coped with this, it is a pity that he was too soft, which allowed the surviving sv.lochi to kill the country.
  34. nikvic46 5 February 2020 11: 03 New
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    The pensioner enjoys life only as long as he walks. And then comes the fight against diseases. And with a bad dream. Gone are the days when they came to his house during the voting. Now there is a stupid situation. The pensioner must come to the station and apply to come to his house. Wait to retirees are involved in some form of protest, it’s useless. They have their own. And they often think about parting with this world.
  35. igorra 5 February 2020 11: 06 New
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    30 years ago, pensioners were 30 years old. Then they sold my generation for the first time, exchanging the country for jeans and chewing gum. The second time they sold, having voted for EP after the pension reform. We were flattered by the addition of 1000 rubles. Among my generation 40+ for no one.
  36. depressant 5 February 2020 11: 07 New
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    There are several reasons why our population is sluggishly reacting to the apparent injustice of the authorities.

    The first reason.

    Capitalism in the West took a stable form at least 200 years ago. Several generations have changed over this historical period, and people are used to considering capitalism as a stable form of economic formation; they don’t know the other. And since the period was long, the population of the West managed to work out at least some kind of mechanism for consolidated counteraction to power injustice. We have no such period. Thirty years is nothing against two hundred. And this is not the case when the experience of neighbors is adopted. While there is no experience, so it will be with us. And the authorities will not bring the riot to skillful and timely handouts, promises, intimidation by the Russian Guard, and an external threat.
    1. NordUral 5 February 2020 11: 21 New
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      Everything is right, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, only now we don’t have time to develop practices of confronting the criminal power, just as the Union did not have it in the 30s. And it’s a pity that we are no longer the same as our great-grandfathers and grandfathers were, which is very fraught if we do not recall ourselves.
      1. depressant 5 February 2020 11: 30 New
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        True, NordUral, historical time is lost, and what is there is a negative value, which is not in our favor.
        1. NordUral 5 February 2020 11: 35 New
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          There is still little while the Soviet are alive who managed to wake up from the hassle of perestroika fumes. But what will happen to the young is a big question.
          1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 11: 46 New
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            Young already fit quite well. They are nimble and tenacious. It’s we dinosaurs who are awkward.
            1. NordUral 5 February 2020 11: 49 New
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              Andrei, I also fit in at one time, until I realized what the country had gotten into. The personal successes of each of us, if any, do not guarantee the successful existence of children and grandchildren, if no one guarantees anything to the country. And that’s all.
  37. NordUral 5 February 2020 11: 18 New
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    We are not used to the power to admit our mistakes. More precisely, this: we do not know how to demand from the government to admit mistakes.

    But this power is not mistaken at all, but clearly fulfills its plan.
    And about the fact that we are cowards - so the truth is. And we’ll die cowards, begging crumbs from the supreme thieves, the heirs of other thieves who stole the country from us.
  38. asp373 5 February 2020 11: 22 New
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    Very good, correct and timely article. Only there are inaccuracies. For example, the age of survival does not exist. There is a period of survival - this is the period that a pensioner lives in retirement, and in our country he is not 4 years, but 20 years. But this is not a lie, of course, but an inaccuracy.
    As for the protests, I agree, but only partially. It is not necessary for the state to demand that it take the money from the workers and distribute it to pensioners, but immediately from the workers. We must act by the methods of direct popular democracy - to expropriate to a dignified old age from unworthy descendants. They are young - they still earn. And even though each penny individually is weaker than the young, but at the expense of a huge number - 42 million, one can rightfully earn it.
    So win!
  39. Forest 5 February 2020 11: 26 New
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    Protest do not protest, the media said that "everyone supports", the governors also reported.
  40. Clueless 5 February 2020 13: 42 New
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    Quote: Anatole Klim
    Gradually, everyone parted, no regional media spoke about the action.


    About that and speech. In our country, if a high-ranking official says, “Let's eat children, lured television and the media will find a million reasons to support this initiative.” For all of them in the end do not live in Russia, but only earn.
  41. depressant 5 February 2020 13: 59 New
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    The second reason.
    The number of pensioners in our country is a quarter of the population. A lot of! And there will be even more. Someone fit into the new economic conditions, some do not, but everyone survived the demolition of the era, then they are broken themselves. And rarely do any of these people understand that they are internally torn. Subconsciously. There was no psychological relief. This is how to survive a war without hope for a lasting peace and a quick restoration of the country. On the contrary, raider seizures of enterprises were observed everywhere, their bankruptcy followed by closure, and this continues to this day under the patronage of power. Wrecks of destroyed Soviet enterprises are everywhere. A return to the past is not foreseen in your lifetime. This breaks the psyche of pensioners and people close to them in age, makes them passive - I don’t have fat to protest, I would be alive and with all my strength left to support at least my young ones. And they think: thank God that the state gives at least some kind of pension. Thus, most of our pensioners are tired and sick people, no matter how outwardly they invigorate. They are not a protest layer of society. Unless some paid grannies. And since Mishustin doubled the salaries of the National Guard, suppressing rallies of grandmothers, I would, in the place of those grandmothers, would demand a doubling of the fee for the protest. With indexing. Well, this is, by the way, a bitter joke.
    1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 14: 46 New
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      Yes, what other grandmothers. I saw these protests in St. Petersburg, for various reasons. Basically, healthy foreheads, well provided, judging by the clothes and accessories, did not hold anything heavier than an iPhone.
      1. depressant 5 February 2020 16: 00 New
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        Well, this is not a protest of the disadvantaged. This is a metropolitan protest of those who are not allowed to share the pie and steer. I’m looking at my province here: very people have faded. Young people are beautiful, who managed to get at least sellers, work tirelessly, especially since there have been cuts everywhere. If there are no buyers, then they don’t sit at the cash desks, chatting among themselves, as before, but lay out the goods, or adjust the layout, and if this is not necessary, they run into the warehouse to weigh what is needed in plastic bags, weigh them, attach price tags. They dine on the go, and not like before - with the whole edge, for an hour, and you won’t get enough. Buyers appeared - headlong rushing for the box office, not a minute of peace! Make these young people go out to rallies, I don’t think it will work out. Therefore - the third reason. Young people under 30-40 in the province are strongly influenced by the older generation: hold on to work! At least some. Hold on by all means! Of course, some, having gained qualifications, try their luck in the regional center and even the regional one, but few get it there. And, having settled down, they will not protest - they will follow the advice of the elders. The rest of those who took a chance are looking for work so that there is elementary something to eat.
        Yes, and our killer climate. And the vastness of the territory - try to gather Protestants in Moscow, and after all, strong political changes are possible only in case of metropolitan protest pressure. The protests of the capital’s liberals themselves as applicants for a seat at the feeding trough are not supported by the province. The provincials are regarded by the authorities as a rebellion and will be suppressed by force without serious consequences for it.
        But now, walked on the Web, the Internet is in full swing with malice. In connection with the amendments, the tension in society is growing.
        By the way, I do not know how you are in St. Petersburg, we have obvious signs of an impending crisis: the stalls are closed, the inscription "For sale". And they, stalls, and so it was already at a minimum.
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    Yes, many have simply scored on retirement .. They just feel that they will not survive under such a system when you don’t know what will happen tomorrow .. We will live one day, we lived well ... This was planned in the USSR for decades to come and everything worked out .. hi They didn’t live richly (although money could be earned in the north), but they knew that the state would not stop dying of hunger and there would be no unemployment .. And any work was held in high esteem, especially working specialties .. And now pah.
    1. Ronald Reagan 5 February 2020 17: 56 New
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      What now? It would be a desire, but you can achieve everything.
      1. Goblin 5 February 2020 18: 08 New
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        Quote: Ronald Reagan
        What now? It would be a desire, but you can achieve everything.

        To go out to the Swamp with white ribbons to hang out.? The neoliberals are just waiting for Russia to finally crush and destroy .. There is no Lord No. "this is without us .. hi
        1. Ronald Reagan 5 February 2020 18: 37 New
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          No, I'm talking about learning and working. No one will pay uneducated and passive citizens.
          1. Goblin 5 February 2020 19: 12 New
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            Quote: Ronald Reagan
            No, I'm talking about learning and working. No one will pay uneducated and passive citizens.

            And if there is no work, except in the oil industry and the banking sector .. The rest Let them die out, as Chubais said their problems ..?
            By the way, in the UK one bastard said. That in Russia the population needs, only in order to protect and maintain the pipes ..
            Does this all go clearly?
            Your reasoning is strange ...
            I have something to compare, we can work in the most difficult conditions and not even for money .. It was not in vain that the USSR was the first in space and, in general, the social network was also a belief in the future .. But buy-sell is not to our liking. .We will nevertheless rise, the Russians have fortitude, although they rob us and deceive us .. And yet we will break through!
            1. Ronald Reagan 5 February 2020 19: 45 New
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              My reasoning describes the modern course of life. The whole world is moving, and you have to study, work, plow, quit, move, save, etc. etc. The system will not drag on itself and pay a lot of money to the cheaper and useless labor, which will be supplanted over time. If you love the union, remember the second verse of the international.
              1. Goblin 5 February 2020 20: 03 New
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                Quote: Ronald Reagan
                My reasoning describes the modern course of life

                Well, I get it. Buy, sell, and cheat ....
                Quote: Ronald Reagan
                The whole world is moving, and you have to study, work, plow, quit, move, save, etc. etc. The system will not drag on itself and pay a lot of money to a cheaper and useless workforce, which will eventually be superseded

                Well, why are they in the world system .. If only, like cannon fodder .. And the Russians know how to fight and not for money (very profitable)
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                If you love the union, remember the second verse of the international.

                Well, I don’t know this international .. But in my heart it has been sounding for a long time, excuse me not liberal ..

                But in memory in the souls of our children and grandchildren, we laid it ..
                1. Ronald Reagan 5 February 2020 20: 15 New
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                  I would like to say something in the spirit of “do not forget to have a snack,” but I wish you a good mood. good
                  1. Goblin 5 February 2020 20: 51 New
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                    Quote: Ronald Reagan
                    I would like to say something in the spirit - "do not forget to have a snack",

                    If there is something to bite ..))
                    Quote: Ronald Reagan
                    but I wish you a good mood.

                    Have a nice one you too .. hi
  43. Ryaruav 5 February 2020 17: 46 New
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    the president is just a liar and it's not just about retirement reform
  44. Revival 11 February 2020 16: 51 New
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    While I am president, the retirement age will not be raised ..
    Piiiuuuu ....