Is there a chance for the unification of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine: about the moment of truth

Is there a chance for the unification of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine: about the moment of truth

Speaking about the upcoming (judging by the available information) meeting with Vladimir Putin on February 7, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that “the moment of truth has arrived” in relations between the two countries. Based on the statements and recent events that had been heard from the lips of Alexander Grigoryevich before Russia, it is hardly worth interpreting such a statement in a positive sense.


Is it really historical a chance to create an alliance of two fraternal peoples, which could be the beginning of an even wider unification, including with Ukraine, will be buried?

Unfortunately, there is every reason to expect that Lukashenko, who is now “dizzy” from communicating with the US Secretary of State, who has made Minsk happy, and the generous promises he made, will require Moscow to accept completely unacceptable concessions and preferences. Something like “oil at world prices”, which “father” calculates according to some formulas that he knows, which have nothing to do with reality. Thus, all the ways to mutually acceptable solutions to the conflict situations that have arisen between states are likely to be cut off tightly.

And it’s not about oil, by and large, that’s it! In the end, the market of Belarus for the Russian Federation is not critical, and transit issues can be resolved without sentiment. Lukashenko will not want to be left without energy in general! The problem is different: on such a “foundation” of mutual claims and grievances, the erection of any kind of union of our countries will become impossible in principle. In any case, until the power in Minsk changes. It should also be understood that it can be replaced by a completely hostile to our country, as happened in Ukraine. Lukashenko today says: “We were the architects of these good relations, should we break them at the end of a political career ?!” But this is precisely what he does!

Moreover, the Belarusian leader, as usual, greatly exaggerates his own world-historical significance. Good, and not just good, but fraternal relations between Russia and Belarus, as well as Ukraine, are not his personal merit, nor Vladimir Putin, with all due respect to both. These are centuries of common history, common blood shed on the fields of hundreds of battles and battles, common tragedies and victories. In fact, the three greatest successes, whether on a military path or in peaceful construction, were achieved only by being joined together by one great power, standing in the same ranks and under the same banner. In terrible times, troubles, when they turned out to be separated, moreover, bled against each other, they were not expected anything but bloodshed, devastation and grief. That is why the “collective West” has been making efforts for centuries to ensure that we are not together, that we turn from brothers into enemies.

And do not say that all this is unnecessary pathos and empty, wiped words! It is enough to recall the route of the last trip of the head of the US State Department, and everything will immediately fall into place. Yes, in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, he tried to put together another coalition against China, and, by the way, did not succeed in this. But in Minsk and Kiev, Pompeo lavished its sweet poison so that the fraternal peoples of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus would never take a decisive step towards each other. This alliance is mortally dangerous for those who are trying today from Washington to rule the whole world. They will do everything to prevent his conclusion.


Friendship Monument of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine at the time of restoration

So is there a chance for the unification of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine? In fact, he is. The sprout itself is important, from which the mighty tree of a new union of the Great, White and Little Russia would rise. The gloom that prevails today on Ukrainian lands is not eternal. This has already happened, and more than once, and yet the supreme justice of history has again brought together peoples who are destined to go along it hand in hand. There was fragmentation, disunity, but ultimately fraternal bonds and common sense did their job - especially in the face of a common threat.

The moment of truth is really necessary: ​​Moscow, Minsk, Kiev ... However, it should be really the highest truth, based on the protection of our common interests, and not obsession imposed by our eternal opponents.
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  1. Hunter 2 5 February 2020 11: 08 New
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    Under Lukashenko no unification is possible! And so the Russians and Belarusians-One People!
    1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 11: 12 New
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      Unification with Russia is impossible until the death penalty is introduced in Russia!
      1. Uncle Izya 5 February 2020 11: 27 New
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        And what does she decide?
        1. demo 5 February 2020 13: 16 New
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          Half the officials.
          The rest are in line.
          Then, for a while, it will get better.
          1. Den717 5 February 2020 14: 49 New
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            Quote: demo
            Half the officials.
            The rest are in line.
            Then, for a while, it will get better.

            Do you think that people who come to the places of liquidated officials will be better than those living today? In Ukraine, what has changed? How do we differ from Ukrainians? Naive reasoning ... Our officials were not brought from Mars, these are our fellow citizens. And they think the same way as we do, in average weight. And the new officials will do the same as the current ones. Do not create illusions for yourself. A simple replacement of surnames will not solve the problem.
            1. demo 5 February 2020 14: 52 New
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              Replaced or disposed of?
              Feel the difference, as they say.

              You still call me kind-hearted ......
              1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 15: 15 New
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                This will not help. Death is too easy a fight. Now, if the offender is executed on television, showing how he drowns in shit, while his parents and relatives will confiscate his execution and they will confiscate everything and send them to work in mines in Siberia, then yes, then it will be good.
                1. atalef 6 February 2020 23: 51 New
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                  Quote: Darkesstcat
                  This will not help. Death is too easy a fight. Now, if the offender is executed on television, showing how he drowns in shit, while his parents and relatives will confiscate his execution and they will confiscate everything and send them to work in mines in Siberia, then yes, then it will be good.

                  And I would add neighbors, then everyone would understand that he could be in the same place.
                  Then communism will come.
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                    Qas 11 February 2020 05: 54 New
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                    And they then? What kind of game are you offering ....
              2. Den717 5 February 2020 15: 16 New
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                Quote: demo
                Replaced or disposed of?

                I'm afraid to even ask what you mean by disposal ...? I hope we can do without turning biomass into trivial fertilizers for potatoes?! .... I would not want to repeat the Treblinka experience, etc. It is painfully not humane ... and descendants may not understand correctly ...
            2. New Year day 5 February 2020 17: 03 New
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              Quote: Den717
              Do you think that people who come to the places of liquidated officials will be better than those living today? In Ukraine, what has changed? How do we differ from Ukrainians?

              some hopelessness turns out! "You can’t have mercy on me?"
              It’s necessary to move forward!
              1. Den717 5 February 2020 17: 19 New
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                Quote: Silvestr
                some hopelessness turns out!

                Can you give examples of more positive trends? You need to take a sober look at life and understand that there are no ideal people. And you need to work not to change surnames, but to develop a system that minimizes the human factor, objectively evaluate the work of an elected official, and carry out his early dismissal. Everything is almost like in the Paris Commune. And probably this is the first thing to start with. And then return the taxes to the territories that earn them. These are certainly unpopular ideas in the manual. laughing
                1. New Year day 5 February 2020 17: 40 New
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                  Quote: Den717
                  One must take a sober view of life and understand


                  by the nature of my profession, I look at life soberly and understand that unification is unlikely-1: 100. The reason is the greed of the elites, no matter what. It was Maidan that arose to protect the Ukrainian oligarchs from the Russian.
                  1. Den717 5 February 2020 18: 42 New
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                    Quote: Silvestr
                    It was Maidan that arose to protect the Ukrainian oligarchs from the Russian.

                    Not surprised. But strongly disagree. I will not go deep, but according to the very high ranks of Ukraine, the situation with the Maidan, if somehow connected with Russian capital, is very indirect. Read more with the head turned on, so that not everything read is taken at face value. People who lived inside this "mess" own the situation is not bad. Better than our journalists from Channel 1. One must not allow personal antipathies to Russian reality to obscure the facts. In any case, I think so.
            3. Shteffan 5 February 2020 17: 57 New
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              It is necessary to change the system. IF THE SYSTEM DOES NOT HAVE A SELF-CLEANING SUBSYSTEM — IT REMOVES. Self-cleaning is 37 years old. In China, cleaning works and the country is flourishing. Thieves and scum are in any nation, you just need to prevent them from coming to power.
            4. Igor Polovodov 5 February 2020 19: 08 New
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              [media = https: //youtu.be/RPhQz948KKo] Humor as a means of humility ... acceptance, and the mind resists this distorted reality!
          2. Nyrobsky 5 February 2020 16: 03 New
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            Quote: demo
            Half the officials.
            The rest are in line.
            Then, for a while, it will get better.

            The Chinese periodically shoot their bureaucrats and send relatives an invoice for reimbursing the treasury for 9 yuan for a cartridge and amortization of weapons, but still steal it. So their cleaning takes place regularly. We don’t have any leadership at all recourse
            1. New Year day 5 February 2020 17: 05 New
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              Quote: Nyrobsky
              The Chinese periodically shoot their bureaucrats and send relatives an invoice for reimbursing the treasury for 9 yuan for a cartridge and amortization of weapons, but still steal it.


              and the fleet is being built, the economy is torn up. Maybe not in vain officials shoot?
              1. Den717 5 February 2020 18: 49 New
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                Quote: Silvestr
                the economy is torn up

                All material production rushed to China to rape cheap labor. Here you have the base jerk. The entire economy is export-oriented. Domestic consumption is less than 40%, demographic imbalance ..... There are many different stones that we do not see from here. I would not idealize the situation in China. Although we must pay tribute to their ability to analyze and copy other people's experience. If Kosygin reforms had not been drowned in due time, today there could have been a different country. I think a lot more powerful, and possibly within the imperial borders.
              2. Nyrobsky 5 February 2020 19: 25 New
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                Quote: Silvestr
                and the fleet is being built, the economy is torn up. Maybe not in vain officials shoot?

                Maybe not in vain. But they still dig. The commandment "do not steal" the bureaucracy does not apply even in Russia, even in China, but if they are struggling with temptation, then they try to find an excuse for him (the temptation) like "A bribe was received under insurmountable circumstances" that they want to fix may have already secured) legally, in order to reduce the criminal liability for corruption crimes. At least such an initiative sounded within the walls of the Duma. hi
                1. Slon379 5 February 2020 22: 00 New
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                  The question is how much they dig. Judging by the growth of the economy, they are at least tying profit. And our tyry from everything including from losses.
                  1. Nyrobsky 5 February 2020 22: 20 New
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                    Quote: Slon379
                    The question is how much do they
                    Judging by the fact that this is the second economy in the world - a lot.
                    Quote: Slon379
                    they’re at least rubbing profit

                    Is not a fact. The scheme of withdrawing babosos when determining the best (read yours) contractor during the competition is universal and is applied in all countries where this mechanism of allocation and development of budget money is available. It is no secret that when making an estimate,% intended for rollback is already laid in it.
                    Quote: Slon379
                    And our tyry from everything including from losses.
                    That is yes. Sometimes they simply rub because the money intended for the implementation of the project comes to the account, on which they stupidly lay back giving a percentage to the account holder who is simply not interested in what they would go to work. The "it" (an indefinite person) will return the unused amount, but the interest will remain with him. In fact, he didn’t steal anything, he didn’t inflict any losses, and received his own money. Probably for this reason, some Finnish analysts say that they say, at the end of the year, several million trillions of undeveloped babos return to the treasury. Damn, how many% of these trillions came running and to whom they got, do not say. Well, they say, they did not use it effectively, poor performing discipline, etc. etc. in short there are no guilty. Well, as we know, there are no implementation of the May decrees either. There are responsible people, but no perpetrators. The wrong part of the planet was called Bermuda.
                2. New Year day 5 February 2020 22: 46 New
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                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  "Bribe received in insuperable circumstances"

                  the height of sophistication! hi
        2. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 17: 57 New
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          Quote: Uncle Izya
          And what does she decide?

          Probably to carry us to be executed? request lol
      2. NEXUS 5 February 2020 19: 47 New
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        Quote: Darkesstcat
        Unification with Russia is impossible until the death penalty is introduced in Russia!

        In China, introduced, and that officials began to take less bribes? It’s just that bribe rates have increased, in view of the increased risks to health and life.
        As for the unification of the Russian Federation and Belarus, while Lukashenko and his retinue are sitting on the throne, and in our Kremlin there are a lot of upstarts of the State Department, we can only dream of unification. Well, and so yes, sooner or later, like magnets, to be attracted, because we are half-blooded.
    2. Uncle Izya 5 February 2020 11: 26 New
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      And what will happen after it?
      After it comes even more pro-Western power
    3. 1959ain 5 February 2020 11: 42 New
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      Old Man for president, and where Putin .....
    4. Svarog 5 February 2020 11: 52 New
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      Quote: Hunter 2
      Under Lukashenko no unification is possible! And so the Russians and Belarusians-One People!

      Unification is not possible while capitalism in Russia .. The reasoning of the capitalists is primitive and simple .. where there is no profit, this is not at all interesting .. How often can you hear from the members of the forum on VO that why feed someone, etc. .. But not all seriously think about it .. After all, we have a lot of our own subsidized regions .. and with this thinking you can even get to the point of feeding our own subsidized regions .. As a result of this approach, the decline in the birth rate and the extinction of villages and villages, the outflow from the northern and eastern regions of citizens ... The consequences of all this disgrace will not keep you waiting long .. For this reason, only a social model and imperial ambitions can pull Russia out of the abyss into which we are sliding ..
      1. Mestny 5 February 2020 12: 04 New
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        The social model + imperial ambitions have already led us to an epic collapse. Until now, we really cannot come to our senses.
        Unlike "primitive" capitalism.
        This is not the reasoning of the capitalists is primitive and simple. This is your idea of ​​them.
        1. Alex Nevs 5 February 2020 12: 10 New
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          Please announce ALL !!! achievement list. I will record. List of both ideologies. Or so-nazazat in a puddle out.
          1. Mestny 5 February 2020 16: 17 New
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            Judging by the text, this is just your specialty.
            1. Alex Nevs 5 February 2020 18: 24 New
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              You probably didn’t understand what "SERVICE LIST" is about. Well it is. If knowledge yok internet to help. Google will not help. Though ...
        2. Svarog 5 February 2020 12: 24 New
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          Quote: Mestny
          Unlike "primitive" capitalism.
          This is not the reasoning of the capitalists is primitive and simple. This is your idea of ​​them.

          Here again, you are superficially arguing .. As you deigned to say “epic collapse” occurred for many reasons, the main ones are betrayal and not an agile political model ..
          Even despite the above fact, the social model of the state showed significantly better indicators in all major areas. Population growth, industrial growth, scientific achievements and so on. Modern Russia cannot boast of anything like that, moreover, it is capitalism that leads the nation to extinction ...
          1. Aleksandr21 5 February 2020 16: 48 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            Even despite the above fact, the social model of the state showed significantly better indicators in all major areas.


            Vladimir, can you name successful social states built on socialism? Here we often cite Belarus as an example, but there the state objectively rests on subsidies from capitalist Russia. If our country stops helping Belarus, the situation in the country will deteriorate sharply, and where will Lukashenko get the money for social purposes? Another example of Venezuela, too, seems to have become a social state under Hugo Chavez, but there the main source of income was oil that was sold to the capitalist world, and when the price of oil collapsed, problems began with the state fulfilling its social obligations and the country is still shaking. There is also Cuba and Nicaragua, North Korea and all .... the rest of the countries are all essentially capitalist. Therefore, how viable is the state built not on the capitalist principle is a big question (if you look objectively at that).
        3. IS-80_RVGK2 5 February 2020 14: 00 New
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          Quote: Mestny
          The social model + imperial ambitions have already led us to an epic collapse.

          Hand face. There’s a universe of trolling reasons. So epic in its stupidity statement. laughing
          1. Mestny 5 February 2020 16: 30 New
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            Before you hang up your rally labels, admit to yourself, at least to your conscience - how did the project of the “fairest in the world” system end there?
            Your angry cries can not cancel the obvious fact - the only socialist system in the world, the USSR turned out to be completely bankrupt as a result, collapsed like a rotten house.
            Well, so?
            How do I ask a grown man a grown man? Collapsed or not?
            1. IS-80_RVGK2 5 February 2020 19: 03 New
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              Quote: Mestny
              How do I ask a grown man a grown man? Collapsed or not?

              Let’s you not portray a kurginyan with his beloved false dichotomy? laughing Moreover, it is not a question of the destruction of the country of victorious socialism, but of the reasons why this happened. laughing
        4. Amin_vivec 6 February 2020 23: 35 New
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          We were led to an epic collapse not by imperial ambitions, but globalist-international, cosmopolitans, damn it)))
      2. Vladimir B. 5 February 2020 13: 49 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Unification is not possible while capitalism in Russia

        unification, in principle, under capitalism is not possible. you need to unite on the basis of the Soviet system!
        1. Mestny 5 February 2020 16: 30 New
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          Yours had a chance, as many as 70 years.
          They did not use it.
          Enough maybe?
          1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 16: 34 New
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            Well, the Stalinist era is quite effective.
            1. Mestny 5 February 2020 16: 39 New
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              Yes, it is quite.
              "The team played well, especially in the 1st half, but lost.
              Is this a good team? No, bad. Because the final result is important.
          2. New Year day 5 February 2020 17: 19 New
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            Quote: Mestny

            Yours had a chance, as many as 70 years.
            They did not use it.
            Enough maybe?


            maybe enough
            Quote: Vladimir B.
            under capitalism is not possible

            Do you think that the Belarusian elite and oligarchs, businessmen will take and give their glade to their brothers from Russia? And they themselves will suck a paw? It’s even funny to talk like that!
            1. Vladimir B. 5 February 2020 18: 10 New
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              "you need to unite on the basis of the Soviet system!"
              this means that advice should be with us, and Belarus, and in Ukraine. only then will we be able to unite, no more than that.
          3. Vladimir B. 5 February 2020 18: 05 New
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            Quote: Mestny
            Yours had a chance

            and your used your chance?
            That's it, it can really be enough.
            1. St Petrov 5 February 2020 19: 36 New
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              These countries do not surrender and do not dissolve themselves. Unlike those who have already done this, they compete without snot and in harsh conditions with other capitalist countries. They save up gold reserves and fill the treasury. Oaths are capitalists. They also paid Soviet debts for 30 years, after that miracle, economic, the issue was only recently closed
        2. Albina Yakovleva_5 5 February 2020 16: 42 New
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          But under the king there was something like unification. half consensus (without referenda) and existed for many years. although the social system was not equivalent
        3. Amin_vivec 6 February 2020 23: 40 New
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          Unification here is not possible in principle, only absorption is possible. And for absorption it is very convenient if any threat is broadcast from the territory being absorbed ...
      3. dirk182 5 February 2020 14: 37 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        while in Russia capitalism

        I would like to clarify: feudal capitalism
        1. Ingvar 72 5 February 2020 15: 55 New
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          Quote: dirk182
          feudal capitalism

          Yes, it is the feudal form of capitalism that impedes unification, and not capitalism itself.
          1. Amin_vivec 6 February 2020 23: 46 New
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            Interesting look. While Russia exists in its modern form, unification is impossible, and Belarus what? At least tomorrow? Shouldn't it change?
      4. Den717 5 February 2020 15: 12 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Unification is not possible while capitalism in Russia ..

        The Russian Empire was created under the tsar-priest. It is unlikely that he was a communist.
        Quote: Svarog
        The reasoning of the capitalists is primitive and simple .. where there is no profit, this is not at all interesting ..

        You can see right away that you are not a capitalist ... Primitive people cannot manage complex systems. Primitive people, as a rule, are only a small detail in such systems.
        Quote: Svarog
        only a social model and imperial ambitions can pull Russia out of the abyss into which we are sliding ..

        What social model do you mean? What do you mean by the phrase “social model”? I think you are confused in terms. A social model, the framework of which determines the position of the state in relation to society, can be paternalistic, liberal, social democratic, etc. You choose the one for which you are campaigning and justify your opinion. We have a problem, sometimes, precisely because there is such a mishmash of slogans and randomly read directories in the heads of the leaders we have chosen, without understanding and mastering special knowledge.
        1. Svarog 5 February 2020 15: 34 New
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          unity is not possible while capitalism in Russia ..

          The Russian Empire was created under the tsar-priest. It is unlikely that he was a communist.

          But am I talking about the Russian Empire? Be careful and then the number of questions may be reduced .. wink It was about imperial ambitions .. A real empire is exactly the USSR that almost half the world was under our ideology .. and not only .. Why do we need to remember about imperial ambitions? The reasons for the mass, ranging from their own security, ending with a huge market ..
          You can see right away that you are not a capitalist ..

          This is how you saw laughing I live under capitalism .. accordingly, what is it and who such capitalists know very well, given the fact that I worked for 20 years in Western offices ..
          Primitive people cannot control complex systems.

          Look at our ministers ... or governors ... not all of them shine with intelligence. Confirmation of the mass of videos on YouTube with their "profound" statements .. type of macaroons, did not ask to give birth .. and so on
          But partly you are right .. precisely because most of our managers are deprived of intellect, everything is so with us ..
          We have a problem, sometimes, precisely because there is such a mishmash of slogans and randomly read directories in the heads of the leaders we have chosen, without understanding and mastering special knowledge.

          If .. the problem was only that ..
          I naturally speak of a model of government, or rather a socialist state or, in transition, the Scandinavian model of socialism ..
          1. Den717 5 February 2020 16: 24 New
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            Look at our ministers .. or governors .. not all of them shine with intelligence

            Finally met with an intelligence expert !!! laughing I'll tell you the seditious thing! People are different. And they think differently. Some of those whom you consider "not brilliant" all of us also consider "the same ....". Who will judge who is right here?
            Quote: Svarog
            I naturally speak of a model of government, or rather a socialist state or, in transition, the Scandinavian model of socialism ..

            Give a successful example of a socialist state. Scandinavia is not worth taking. There, all social benefits come through an economy developed by capitalists. But socialism in its classical form, with nationwide ownership of the means of production, without private ownership of them, is probably no longer anywhere. In the lists of developed countries for sure. You are 100 years late ..
            Quote: Svarog
            Look at our ministers ... or governors ... not all of them shine with intelligence.

            Are you a regular in the State Council? And how many ministers do you personally know to judge their intelligence? These are the statements that, as a rule, say that a person needs to work on himself. In addition, you accused the capitalists of primitiveness, and governors and ministers cannot be them by virtue of their position. And about the "did not ask to give birth," the story you do not understand at all. A group of people came to demand an additional state feeder for a man who earned his fame by personal titanic labor. Here she is, and "bortanul". I was mistaken that I did it in a straightforward manner, as in sports, and she, as in politics, was “beautifully” framed. It is a predictable conflict of irreconcilable parties ... Exactly the same thing on the main issue of the article. Can a union of Russia of Ukraine and Belarus take place? No. Can not. Because Russia was tired of feeding them, and they (U. and RB) do not want to make this alliance an equal share, but want to live like lice at the withers of a dog. A joint state is possible only by joining Russia as a subject of the federation. And that is unlikely. Equalization of economies will be very expensive for us, because they themselves are not able to stand up in the next few years.
            1. Svarog 5 February 2020 16: 40 New
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              I'll tell you the seditious thing! People are different. And they think differently.

              But what about your previous statement:
              Primitive people cannot control complex systems. Primitive people, as a rule, are only a small detail in such systems.

              but when it comes to today's managers, they are all different and think differently ..
              Good. Then answer the question, if in modern Russia people who are at least close in recognition and merit, like Korolev, Mikoyan, Zhores Alferov ..? laughing
              Give a successful example of a socialist state. Scandinavia is not worth taking.

              That is, you immediately cut off successful examples laughing What about China? probably also not worth it .. But actually the USSR, than not a good example .. The growth rate of the economy, industry, demography .. yes in all areas ahead of .. practically in all respects laughing
              And how many ministers do you personally know to judge their intelligence?

              I don’t have to know them personally, it’s enough to see the result of their activities .. They are put there just for the result .. And you can get to know them in Tyrnet .. Recently, the head of Chuvashia in front of an officer with tres keys ... like in front of a dog ... Here's a visual level of managers, with all that it implies ..
              Can a union of Russia of Ukraine and Belarus take place? No. Can not. Because Russia is sick of feeding them

              And why feed them, they will be able to feed themselves .. but if you follow your logic, then what about our north or the Far East or Chechnya .. there are also subsidized regions ... Do you propose to reduce Russia to the MKAD? If the tsars / sovereigns reasoned like you, then there would be no such Russia .. there would be specific princedoms that would be part of some sort of Poland ... And in general, a song about feed, the State Department initially muddied in Ukraine .. probably remember how they began to argue closer to the 90th that they say we feed all of Russia ..
              1. Den717 5 February 2020 16: 54 New
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                Quote: Svarog
                What about China? probably also not worth it ..

                China has long been no longer socialist ... USSR - where is such a country, don’t you know?
                Quote: Svarog
                Just recently, the head of Chuvashia in front of an officer with the keys tres

                And Peter 1 personally tore his teeth with pliers from his subjects, so what? And Khrushchev, under Stalin, worked as a clown in non-evening gatherings. Everyone is fooling around. Each in its own way.
                Quote: Svarog
                And why feed them, they will be able to feed themselves ..

                Something has been going bad for 30 years now. And the farther, the worse.
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                Do you propose to reduce Russia to MKAD? If the tsars / sovereigns reasoned like you, then there would not be such a Russia ..

                But I don’t need to ascribe my thoughts to me. Our subsidized regions are our regions ...
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                And in general, a song about feed, initially muddied by the State Department in Ukraine ..

                This song is based on information from the USSR State Statistics Service, first of all.
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            But am I talking about the Russian Empire?

            You are talking about the unification of the Russian Federation with Ukraine and Belarus. And who united them into one?
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            Be careful and then the number of questions may be reduced ..

            What you wrote, I read. Express your thoughts more clearly, there will be no misunderstanding.
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            But partly you are right .. precisely because most of our managers are deprived of intellect, everything is so with us ..

            So the problem is not in capitalism, but in specific people?
            Well, where are the guarantees that under socialism at the helm they will not be the same, not sparkling with intelligence?
            But there is no guarantee. What the Soviet Union incidentally demonstrated.
            The conclusion is that whatever you give us, capitalism, socialism, and yet some kind of kaismism - we are doing everything in ruin.
        2. Ingvar 72 5 February 2020 15: 57 New
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          You can see right away that you are not a capitalist ... Primitive people cannot manage complex systems.

          Stalin, Korolev, Mikoyan and many others are your primitive? belay
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            Are they capitalists?
            We are talking about capitalism as a complex system.
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            Stalin, Korolev, Mikoyan and many others are your primitive?

            Which of them did I mention? In addition, my statement does not mean at all that, besides capitalists, no one else manages complex systems. But to open a business and build a profitable enterprise in the current conditions is not for primitive people. You remind me of Stalin again? Stalin, by the way, thought like a normal capitalist and knew how to count profits and losses. And his enterprise was the whole of the USSR. So do not have an owl on the globe ....
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              In addition, my statement does not mean at all that, besides capitalists, no one else manages complex systems.

              But it sounded just like that. request Excuse me if I’ve built it in vain.
              Quote: Den717
              Stalin, by the way, thought like a normal capitalist and knew how to count profits and losses.

              In order to take profits and losses, it is not necessary to be a capitalist; the feudal lords also considered this quite well, as did the slave owners. wink So why did you rank the brightest representative of the socio-economic formation precisely as capitalists?
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              1. Den717 5 February 2020 18: 33 New
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                So why did you rank the brightest representative of the socio-economic formation precisely as capitalists?

                I do not classify, but I believe that I thought as a capitalist. And because he, unlike the other categories you mentioned, developed industrial production and materialized all his assets not in hours, tsatsk, personal square meters, but in factories and enlarged agricultural production. This is if in a big way.
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                  developed industrial production and materialized all of its assets not in hours, tsatsk, personal square meters, but in factories and enlarged agricultural production.

                  All that is clearly lacking in the modern form of capitalism! good
                  1. St Petrov 5 February 2020 21: 27 New
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                    Ingvar, I can provide, you know. I’ve been showing what’s under construction here from the age of 12 and they tell me from the age of 12 that these are cartoons wassat
                    And they are very worried about the site’s half life, and there every day since 2008 they talk about new enterprises. But sad patriots fundamentally do not want to find out about this. I was always wondering why so? But I think the answer is prepared, you rehearsed this position in front of you



                    And a bit more



                  2. Den717 5 February 2020 21: 28 New
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                    All that is clearly lacking in the modern form of capitalism!

                    Agriculture reported about 25 billion dollars in food exports last year. Growth is observed. It's just that when you sit on the couch, everyone around you is somehow slowly working, and the trees do not grow at all. Such is the paradox.
                    1. St Petrov 5 February 2020 21: 40 New
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                      Agriculture reported about 25 billion dollars in food exports last year.


                      it’s still Soviet cows and they are selling old grain stocks. After all, any self-respecting patriot knows that they do not produce anything in Russia

                      Now the site is set up like this. Another point of view is Kremlebot. Although I am flattered, of course.

                      1. Den717 5 February 2020 21: 46 New
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                        it's still Soviet cows and old grain stocks are selling

                        if the cows are Soviet, then the grain is clearly from Nikolaev times. laughing
                      2. Ingvar 72 6 February 2020 11: 59 New
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                        After all, any self-respecting patriot knows that they do not produce anything in Russia

                        Dear Petrov, tell me offhand, what percentage of domestic goods surrounds you at home? Do not give out a screwdriver assembly for domestic! wink
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                        Does a percentage of domestic production surround you at home?

                        Once, a son from the states wanted his wife to bring a set of linen as a gift. I found nothing but Chinese in all of Houston. And the people there do not bother and do not doubt the greatness of their country. winked
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                        I found nothing but Chinese in all of Houston.

                        This is an occasion to "hammer a bolt" and not to bathe?
                        In addition, the United States has a free currency source, and we have to sell resources.
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                        This is an occasion to "hammer a bolt" and not to bathe?

                        If you haven’t built a plant under the window, then the country has risen? Your "bolt" is the grumbling of the starter before the funeral ...
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                        Your "bolt" is the grumbling of the starter before the funeral ...

                        Well, God forbid, that your family would flourish as our state.
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                        Well, God forbid, that your family would flourish as our state.

                        Don’t worry about me. We do not expect who will beat the “bolt” to us, and who is the nut. And therefore we live, helping the head with our hands. In the same realities as you, but we can cope. What we wish for you too laughing
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                      grumbling old man

                      The little fifty dollars isn’t yet. To the honorary title of "starper" he still gallop to the moon laughing
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                      The little fifty dollars isn’t yet. To the honorary title of "starper" he still gallop to the moon

                      He’s already at the churchyard with his soul ...
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                      He’s already at the churchyard with his soul ...

                      Well, a man is tired of his life, he can’t do anything really well, here, on the Internet, he’ll win back ... there are more than half of those viciously trolling request

                      Even somehow sorry for them sometimes winked
                    5. Den717 6 February 2020 21: 17 New
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                      Well, a man is tired of his life, he can’t do anything really well, now, he’s acting out on the Internet ...

                      Yes, really .... Embittered people need to criticize others in order to vent their anger.
                  3. Ingvar 72 7 February 2020 12: 03 New
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                    He’s already at the churchyard with his soul ...

                    Judging by how you justify the corrupt power, you have long died and decomposed. wink
                    Karma is such that your children will be responsible for the 30 pieces of silver you have taken. Have you thought about this?
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                    the responsibility for the 30 pieces of silver you have taken will be your children. Have you thought about this?


                    Ingvar, you are drowning in one pipe with the US Embassy, ​​the BBS newspaper and Gardamir, which Khodorkovsky quotes. - such is the fate of the Russian dissident (whom the authorities do not press). Not you first, not you last. And do not you prick such phrases "kremlebotov." And reproaching a person for work (for example) and defending the Kremlin’s position on Russian resources is fun. You are just like a democrat from the USA. You as an employee of Echo Moscow.

                    You called white color black. And I remember the time when you still haven't gotten into a fight. But anti-state propaganda has done its job)

                    You have justified the sterness’s position in deceiving voters about accounts and gold. You justified the meeting with Zyuganov teft and for you this is the norm. That is why there is no more communism.

                    You are like Kovtuny from the show from the box. Only a local spill. And then it surprised me, the most stupid Selyuk-Svidomo will otmazyvat the position of his country to the last, but will not spit in Russia, along with local pseudo-shares and liberda. Shiz rossopozitsii - as is

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                    You are just like a democrat from the USA. You as an employee of Echo Moscow.
                    You called white color black. And I remember the time when you still haven't gotten into a fight. But anti-state propaganda has done its job)
                    Let's take it in order - All the characters you listed, beside Gardamir and Grudinin, are enemies of Russia. I clearly understand that. But this does not mean that they are talking about "our" power a lie. Bulk s.voloch and an agent of the State Department, but he dumps the facts, moreover, confirmed.
                    The authorities stole and snickered, doing nothing to lift the country. And it is true. Just liberalism is replicating this truth in order to destabilize the country. I, like my red associates in order to restore justice.
                    It won’t reach you that besides liberalism, the enemies have settled in power. Right now they are promoting anti-people’s laws, such as exclusion from the military service, maternity leave, sick days. They hinder the development of industry, its soul taxes. It is they who replace the indigenous population of the country with migrants, arguing this is the lack of qualified personnel, while they themselves have ruined the VET system. That they are pushing the progressive taxation system in every possible way. And many other things can be mentioned, but I think it’s useless, you have already created an idol for yourself, and you don’t see elementary things.
                    Petrov I do not want to swear with you, you are one of the few Zaputinists to whom I still have a little respect.
                    hi
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                  Judging by how you justify corrupt power

                  I do not condone the power; I have a lot of questions for it. But I forever moan and shift my personal failures to her as unnecessary. You need to moan when it is useful. What to cry for the USSR, for example, because it cannot be returned. The experience of professional work taught me to identify the perpetrators, or at least not to ask questions to those who should not answer them. And besides, do not blame the corruption of those who in my presence did not sell themselves and there are no facts indicating this fairly reliably. In short, OBS is not my source. In addition, excessive anger, as a rule, indicates the immaturity of the development of a social personality and destroys her life.
                3. Ingvar 72 7 February 2020 13: 34 New
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                  But I forever moan and shift my personal failures to her as unnecessary.

                  If you take the Togliatti, I live better than most. Unofficial work is true, but where to go. And not because of my disorder (not only) on the selling power, I roll the barrel - I feel sorry for the power.
                  Quote: Den717
                  What to cry for the USSR, for example, because it cannot be returned.

                  Why do you think so? It would be a desire.
                  Quote: Den717
                  And besides, do not blame the corruption of those who in my presence did not sell themselves and there are no facts,

                  Not caught, not a thief? But what about the discrepancy between expenses and income? wink
                4. Den717 7 February 2020 14: 00 New
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                  Unofficial work is true, but where to go.

                  Are you IP or self-employed? In the sense of fulfilling tax obligations ...
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Why do you think so? It would be a desire.

                  Do you see this desire a lot around? I - not really. I understand that in my remaining life, at least in the next 10-15 years, this will not happen, for sure. If I make a mistake, there will be a surprise. But there will be a lot of blood, we, in any case, cannot be wiped off during life ... Let it be as it is ...
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                  Not caught, not a thief?

                  Whose declarations did you study? The same Golikova: yes, the property is rich, but the information about the acquisition is a bit dull. My apartment, for example, today draws 7-8 million. And I took it for another 200 tr. And there are many similar cases. In order to compare the correspondence of expenses to incomes, a whole investigation must be carried out. Do you have the capacity for these actions? Then you have cards in your hands ... But no, then slander and libel are a sin ...
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    What percentage of domestic goods surrounds you at home?


    Now I will do repairs in the apartment, I think there will be 70 percent on materials. For instance. Yes, and furniture including from Lipetsk

    Household appliances 50 to 50. The computer is the phone from Asia. And our toothpaste.

    Yes, and not the fans of communism talk about it, I think. The whole country dreamed of importing.

  3. Ingvar 72 7 February 2020 13: 26 New
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    I think there will be 70 percent of the materials.

    The faucet in the bathroom I think will be imported. Furniture is made ONLY on imported equipment. As for household appliances, do not dissemble. So I can easily shoot a video in my apartment, and send it to you in PM - household appliances ALL import. And not because the West (or China laughing ) closer to me. There is no our technology, almost none at all. Go to the site of Eldorado or something. Kuvalda.ru on the instrument.
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    it's only refrigerators

    Pozis (produced in Tatarstan); SNOW (Zelenograd);
    Oka (Murom); Biryusa (Krasnoyarsk);
    "ORSK" (Orsk); Iceberg (Smolensk);
    "SEPO-ZEM (Saratov)"; “Frost” (Great Luke).

    on gas stoves the list is longer. and about the machines - the industrialization of the USSR did not bother you from the general electric and others, and now the imported machines confuse

  5. Ingvar 72 7 February 2020 13: 41 New
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    it's only refrigerators

    I agree. But I have Atlant. Blender, vacuum cleaner, iron, kettle, dishwasher, TV, phone? Clothes?
    Petrov, your isolated examples only emphasize that the bulk (more than 90%) of all imports around us. And yes, under the Union, the bulk of the machine tools is ours. And now import. This confuses me, imbalance, and not the very presence of imports.
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    do not write about posis !!! it is pure from italy !!! I had to participate in the manufacture of this for the production of refrigerator lines. it is a horror from Italy, neither culture nor the education of the designers of this Europe!
  • Ingvar 72 6 February 2020 11: 55 New
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    Agriculture reported about 25 billion dollars in food exports last year

    Please tell me why the price of grain increased by 15-20% compared to last year? I’m seriously thinking about cutting all the chickens and ducks, because it is unprofitable to keep them at 14 thousand rubles. per tonne of feed grain.
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      Please tell me why the price of grain increased by 15-20% compared to last year?

      I, as a Jew, ask a question with a question .... what grain? Price rose where? Score? Wholesale, Retail? On the exchange? For delivery in what volumes and which countries? If you want to feed your ducks and chickens, take fodder wheat in Balashikha at 9 rubles per kg.
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      Price rose where?

      Samara region, Stavropol and Syzran regions. Wholesalers selling feed.
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      Samara region, Stavropol and Syzran regions.

      Take a ride to Voronezh, buy a ton for 8000. Who is stopping?
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      Take a ride to Voronezh, buy a ton for 8000. Who is stopping?

      Yes, you have the logic .... iron. lol Taking into account the fact that I take 300-400 kg at a time, then with gasoline this ton is to me in all 20t.rub. will cost. In Kazakhstan, gas is 26 rubles, maybe I should go there for a gas station. wassat
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      In Kazakhstan, gas is 26 rubles, maybe I should go there for a gas station.

      It is at your discretion ... laughing Only Voronezh is closer to you (maybe) lol Or Penza, there are 9,5 rubles per kg.
  • Golovan Jack 6 February 2020 21: 11 New
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    cut all the chickens and ducks ...

    ... completely.

    Rzhukonyom good laughing good

    Can you sometimes raise the mood, "Ingvar", know how yes
  • Den717 7 February 2020 07: 48 New
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    I’m seriously thinking about cutting all the chickens and ducks, because it is unprofitable to keep them at 14 thousand rubles. per tonne of feed grain.

    I think that with your volumes, your chickens are already “golden”. Those. you do not consider the profitability of chicken production at home and are engaged in it out of interests other than economic profit.
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    Quote: Ingvar 72
    So why did you rank the brightest representative of the socio-economic formation precisely as capitalists?

    . And because he, unlike the other categories you mentioned, developed industrial production and materialized all his assets not in hours, tsatsk, personal square meters, but in factories and enlarged agricultural production. This is if in a big way.

    Here I absolutely agree! good
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    Lukashenka is not forever, Alex!
    Our peoples are eternal.
    More native and understandable to us people than Belarusians-does not exist!
    During the war, every fourth Belarusian died. From the republic remains ashes ...
    All the people they fought with the Germans in the woods.
    They survived. They won.
    We are one with them. And now and so ...
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      We are one with them. And now and so ...

      Every year, more than 50 acquire Polish citizenship or a Pole card. And yes, they are one. Only in 000 their war was no longer Patriotic ... And not only Lukashenka earned a living on our sanctions.
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      During the war, every fourth Belarusian died. From the republic remains ashes ...
      All the people they fought with the Germans in the woods.
      They survived. They won.

      We all survived and won, with Kazakhs, Buryats, etc. because the leadership of the UNION led the whole conglomerate.
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      More native and understandable to us people than Belarusians-does not exist!

      Cain and Abel were also brothers. In Civil, we inside Russia exterminated ourselves selflessly. Until now, we can’t count the victims, because the figure will be horrifying.
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      Lukashenka is not forever, Alex!

      Yes Lukashenka is not eternal, but it is they who shape the state’s policy and direct its movement. Therefore, they matter. Lukashenko will not become, who will be in his place? Makey? Do you think it will become better? Our relationship is at an impasse. And this is until the desire to live at someone else’s expense disappears from the Republic of Belarus. Do you see the prerequisites for such changes in the views of the leadership of the Republic of Belarus today? Me not.
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    Under Lukashenko no unification is possible! And so the Russians and Belarusians-One People!

    Under Putin, no unification is possible. And so - Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians - one people.
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    Yes, not only under Lukashenko, more than half of Belarusians do not want unification.
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      Yes, not only under Lukashenko, more than half of Belarusians do not want unification.

      It all depends on the flow of information .. if desired, the information can be submitted so that 95% will be FOR the union, but when not one of the parties has a real desire .. then your figure is obtained ..
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    Yes, they drove him into a corner. There are no other options for him like a pool. Or do you have another option ??
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    It’s not just Lukashenko. The elites of all three countries cannot find a common language. And in Ukraine, these elites also look in the mouth of Natsik.
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      And in Ukraine, these elites also look in the mouth of Natsik.


      they use them to preserve their wealth. They just forget that it was already in history and Hitler appeared
  • Sergey39 5 February 2020 13: 56 New
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    Have to destroy the union state of Russia and Belarus, it has long been outdated. Change power in Belarus and create a new single state.
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      And if we consider the change of power a hostile act? Will you start killing us? Or cut out all those who disagree?
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        So change yourself. That is exactly what I had in mind. You there after the arrival of Pompeo already probably dreamed about the golden shards.
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          Can Americans or Europeans give gold tusks ???
          Where did you find such fools to believe that? laughing
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            I am glad that not all fools are in Belarus.
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              There are few fools. Our president can practice feints, you need to look what he will do, not talk. You have everything similar. The local prince, as you like to say, at the same time you immediately forget about yours that they are sitting in the regions and do whatever they want. A lot of fun stuff)
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                And what is wrong in our regions? Our Alikhanov recently met with your Old Man.
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      Change power in Belarus and create a new single state.

      And if Belarusians do not like our power? And this is the main reason for the protracted process of unification?
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        So no one forces. The choice is small. Russia, the United States and the "multi-vector" of Lukshenko.
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      Change power in Belarus

      export revolution or invasion or coup? laughing
      1. Sergey39 5 February 2020 18: 23 New
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        At the discretion of the Belarusians.
  • Albina Yakovleva_5 5 February 2020 16: 33 New
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    Lord! good evening. my name is Albina, a former soldier. let me be present. maybe participate in your very interesting ones. sometimes funny arguing arguments. I won’t interfere. who cares where he served. ..in PM!
  • Goblin 5 February 2020 18: 31 New
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    Under Lukashenko no unification is possible! And so the Russians and Belarusians-One People!

    Again on the first lines and quickly change your koment? Well done Alexey! Do you want to become a marshal? You will smell ..
    Well, on the topic, the Association will be, but in a different format ....
    As they say in Russia, "A friend is in need .." ..
    And debriefing is yet to come. soldier
  • Whalebone 10 February 2020 09: 27 New
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    While the Russian Federation is exploited by a dozen oligarchic clans sucking resources from it in the Stakhanovian way, it cannot be a positive example for neighbors. Why should Belarusians unite? That one Luka was replaced by a group of comrades in the form of Chemezov and Rotenberg?
    Why integration to Ukraine? Replace Kolomoisky with Sechin? And the divided people are again PR fairy tales and manipulations not strengthened by consciousness. More Irish live in the US than in Ireland, for example. And so, is it time for them to unite? The 21st century is already interesting because without choosing a homeland you can choose a place of residence without forgetting who you are. And in order to develop the country there are only 2 ways out - to close the border to the castle so that the "minds" do not run to where it is more satisfying and warmer, or create comfortable conditions for them here, so that they go to conferences, internships, and rest over the hill, and work and raised children in their homeland.
  • Andrey VOV 5 February 2020 11: 14 New
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    The last two paragraphs of the article showed that the author arrives in some sort of rose-colored glasses ... besides very powerful .... what is the union with Ukraine? If only with the DPR and LPR ... and then it’s not a fact, the rest of the territory is lost in my opinion, and western regions forever. from the word completely. Ukraine didn’t give a damn about the blood of blood shed in the Great Patriotic War, proving this by demolition of monuments, attitude to veterans and completely unbridled Bandera! Let's live the realities of today. Yes, with Belarus it’s not so critical and here it is somehow build a pragmatic, but mutually beneficial relationship. Otherwise, there will be a complete seam.
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      Combining something is a very difficult process. It is necessary to lead to a general one or to level it out, starting from legislation and ending with economic issues. For example, if we now join you (Belarus to the Russian Federation), we will immediately fall under sanctions + all trade with Ukraine will close, and this is 2-3 the main trading partner of the Republic of Belarus. Plus, private property is flourishing in the Russian Federation, and we have a large share of state property. And I am quite sure that after joining, unexpectedly a lot will begin to be privatized or closed.
      1. ser56 5 February 2020 12: 32 New
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        Quote: Darkesstcat
        and this is 2-3 the main trading partner of the Republic of Belarus.

        sale of petroleum products?
        Quote: Darkesstcat
        then immediately get under sanctions +

        Do you want to get pluses without minuses? it doesn’t happen ...
        Quote: Darkesstcat
        will begin to be privatized or closed.

        it will be inevitable for you ... the more you tighten, the worse it will be ...
        1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 12: 40 New
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          sale of petroleum products?

          Rather, the percentage of the implementation of gray schemes of the Russian Federation.
          Do you want to get pluses without minuses? it doesn’t happen ...

          The problem is not in the minuses, but in the fact that their sum would not kill us. AND
          we’ll really become a fully subsidized region. You need it?
          it will be inevitable for you ... the more you tighten, the worse it will be ...

          Perhaps I will not argue.
          1. ser56 5 February 2020 13: 00 New
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            Rather, the percentage of the implementation of gray schemes of the Russian Federation.

            that’s the question - why is this for Russia?
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            And then we really will become a fully subsidized region. You need it?

            this is not a problem - if we are one country ... with common problems and achievements ...
            1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 13: 26 New
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              that’s the question - why is this for Russia?

              Because it is profitable. They would not have been if there were no benefits on both sides in this.)
              this is not a problem - if we are one country ... with common problems and achievements ...

              Yes, I am not against this option. Good intentions, but do they not lead to hell? With adequate integration, it will only be better for everyone. (Some Ukrainians with Poles will cry that the Russian armed forces have approached them.)
              1. ser56 5 February 2020 13: 32 New
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                Because it is profitable

                it is beneficial to certain individuals, but the budget of the Russian Federation was losing ... they decided to stop and right ... request
                Quote: Darkesstcat
                Good intentions, but do they not lead to hell?

                I don’t know how you see. but while you are flying to hell ... moreover, according to the training manual tested in Ukraine ... request
                Quote: Darkesstcat
                Some Ukrainians with Poles will cry that the armed forces of the Russian Federation approached them.)

                it doesn’t bother me at all - it’s their problem ...
                1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 13: 43 New
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                  this is beneficial to certain individuals, but the budget of the Russian Federation was losing ... they decided to stop and correctly ... request

                  In my opinion, they did not stop, the trade turnover of the Russian Federation with Ukraine even increased. And if they stop, too much benefit goes to the right pockets.
                  I don’t know how you see. but while you are flying to hell ... moreover, according to the training manual tested in Ukraine ... request

                  Do they lie on it, we have a more effective system of preserving power. I prefer the dictatorship of democracy. There at least you know that only 1 steals.
                  it doesn’t bother me at all - it’s their problem ...

                  You should always look at what actions may lead to, otherwise you can die in the best case.
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                    Do they lie on it, we have a more effective system of preserving power. I prefer the dictatorship of democracy. There at least you know that only 1 steals.

                    1) you have the usual misconception - under the dictatorship they steal more, and most importantly they profound more ...
                    2) your effectiveness of power will soon burst ... I do not want to know you, but analysis shows the inevitability ... Old man played too much, went to the Americans - that's all, soon the curtain ...
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                      1) you have the usual misconception - under the dictatorship they steal more, and most importantly they profound more ...

                      Oh, I would not say.
                      2) your effectiveness of power will soon burst ... I do not want to know you, but analysis shows the inevitability ... Old man played too much, went to the Americans - that's all, soon the curtain ...

                      And I to you. But I would like to see the salute. laughing
                      1. ser56 5 February 2020 14: 09 New
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                        Oh, I would not say.

                        compare the GDP per capita with us and with you ...
                        Quote: Darkesstcat
                        But I would like to see the salute. laughing

                        fireworks pass, the ruins remain ... I don’t know about you, I was already grown up in 1991 - I had seen enough ... by the way, in 1991 I was in your Minsk ... you lived much better, judging by the goods in the stores, than in Sverdlovsk ...
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                        compare the GDP per capita with us and with you ...

                        And we get the average? There was an excellent article about China and the difference in earnings between the Chinese and Russians building the Power of Siberia pipeline. It all depends on the distribution of benefits.
                        fireworks pass, the ruins remain ... I don’t know about you, I was already grown up in 1991 - I had seen enough ... by the way, in 1991 I was in your Minsk ... you lived much better, judging by the goods in the stores, than in Sverdlovsk ...

                        Minsk is the capital, it is not worth comparing it with the non-capital.
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                        It all depends on the distribution of benefits.

                        of course, but the amount matters ...
                        Quote: Darkesstcat
                        Minsk is the capital, it is not worth comparing it with the non-capital.

                        the size of the population is close ... and now we have anything in Eburg ... anything money ...
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                        of course, but the amount matters ...

                        Not or very little. If crumbs remain from this amount.)
                        It reminds me of a funny paradox, each "business" strives to minimize costs and increase profits. But I minimize staff costs, they reduce the sales market, which leads to lower profits, a vicious circle is obtained.)
                      5. ser56 5 February 2020 15: 33 New
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                        Not or very little.

                        Have you been to Latvia and the UK? The difference is very noticeable ....
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                        strive to minimize costs and increase profits.

                        cost reduction is not equal to a decrease in payroll ... you imagined an imaginary paradox ...
                        for example - Ford reduced labor costs, but increased salary ...
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                        for example - Ford reduced labor costs, but increased salary ...

                        And lured the best workers from all other factories. Everything is done for the benefit.
                        Have you been to Latvia and the UK? The difference is very noticeable ....

                        No, it wasn’t, but the difference in conditions is quite significant. Is it possible to say that the same Lithuanians in Britain live better than in Lithuania?
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                        Everything is done for the benefit.

                        1) and what is wrong with the benefit if it is obtained by law? Are you cold? bully
                        2) I note your paradox bit ..
                        Quote: Darkesstcat
                        Is it possible to say that the same Lithuanians in Britain live better than in Lithuania?

                        You can answer - if they lived worse. they didn’t leave ... request
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                        1) and what is wrong with the benefit if it is obtained by law? Are you cold?
                        2) I note your paradox bit ..

                        Why all of a sudden, my paradox is based on cost reduction and you will come to it when you monopolize the market.)
                      9. ser56 5 February 2020 16: 05 New
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                        Why is my paradox based on cost reduction?

                        he’s imaginary - I have already shown this - costs can be reduced in different ways - for example, due to increased labor productivity ... and without special robots - a la Ford hi
                        Quote: Darkesstcat
                        And you will come to it when you monopolize the market.)

                        1) I do not ... I work in a different field ... repeat
                        2) this is a question for the state and antitrust policy - I note it was invented in the USA by capitalists ... request
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                        it’s imaginary - I have already shown it - costs can be reduced in different ways - for example, due to increased labor productivity ... and without special robots - a la Ford hi

                        They showed, I do not argue. But the final end of the path is minimizing all possible costs, because you (the business) are always not enough.
                        2) this is a question for the state and antitrust policy - I note it was invented in the USA, capitalists ... request

                        As they came up, they get around it. For the benefit exceeds the fines.
                      11. ser56 5 February 2020 16: 12 New
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                        But the final end of the path is minimizing all possible costs, because you (the business) are always not enough.

                        be surprised, but this leads to a market expansion - a classic example of school calculators ... or a newer example - mobile tf
                        Quote: Darkesstcat
                        As they came up, they get around it. For the benefit exceeds the fines.

                        Experience has shown that they think strategically much better than under socialism ... request
                        Therefore, they are developing, although VIL declared imperialism the highest stage ... bully
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                        Experience has shown that they think strategically much better than under socialism ... request
                        Therefore, they are developing, although VIL declared imperialism the highest stage ... bully

                        Well, maybe we'll see where this leads, it will be interesting. laughing
                        be surprised, but this leads to a market expansion - a classic example of school calculators ... or a newer example - mobile tf

                        If there is an effective distribution of funds. The market depends on buyers.
                      13. ser56 5 February 2020 17: 12 New
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                        Well, maybe we'll see where it leads, it will be interesting

                        No WIL. neither IVS nor LIB survived the collapse of capitalism, but prophesied ... request I survived the collapse of socialism, I don’t want more changes, enough .... repeat
                        Quote: Darkesstcat
                        The market depends on buyers.

                        more complicated - symbiosis ...
  • Alexga 5 February 2020 13: 35 New
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    I will ask easier. And why do the inhabitants of Belarus all this hemorrhoids? Therefore, the bulk of people are against it.
  • Gost2012 5 February 2020 12: 49 New
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    .... And I'm quite sure that after joining, unexpectedly a lot will begin to be privatized or closed.


    Man, what do we have, what are we afraid of losing? laughing
    1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 12: 52 New
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      At least I have a job.) And so many will lose their jobs. Those who wanted to move have already left.
      1. Gost2012 5 February 2020 13: 33 New
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        At least I have a job.) And so many will lose their jobs. Those who wanted to move have already left.

        Well this is nonsense, if there is nothing more. Why is there a statement that many will lose their jobs? But I think - many will find work, better than it was.

        Here, for example, Crimea - how many lost their jobs there, or vice versa, the factories received a load and money for modernization.
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          Crimea is a small region, very well funded.)
          I rather worry about the question if there will be a situation where a government official will be brought a suitcase of money, and he will bankrupt enterprises in gratitude. (State enterprises, so this is not a problem.)
          1. Gost2012 5 February 2020 13: 51 New
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            Crimea is a small region, very well funded.)
            I rather worry about the question if there will be a situation where a government official will be brought a suitcase of money, and he will bankrupt enterprises in gratitude. (State enterprises, so this is not a problem.)

            Who will be the official - the former crystal-honest Belarusian, or the initially corrupt Russian bastard, corrupted by the association?
            What nonsense, honestly.
            1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 13: 53 New
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              No matter who. The only question is finance and desire.
          2. ser56 5 February 2020 17: 32 New
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            state enterprises so this is not a problem

            like your sugar breeders planted in bulk - these schemes already do not work for us ... hi
        2. New Year day 5 February 2020 17: 31 New
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          how many lost their jobs there


          ask local small businessmen, doctors and nurses have gone somewhere, VIS can clarify to you what happened to medicine in Sevastopol
          1. Gost2012 5 February 2020 20: 37 New
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            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Gost2012
            how many lost their jobs there


            ask local small businessmen, doctors and nurses have gone somewhere, VIS can clarify to you what happened to medicine in Sevastopol


            It turns out that the Russians came and drove to hell with all the well-functioning infrastructure, which was built in detail in Ukraine. And the entrepreneur is drying up - there are no previous cash flows, that under Kiev the river ... there are no doctors, no nurses, desolation and garbage blown down the road ...
            It turns out that the Crimeans made a great mistake in the 14th year, lost their money, now they bite their elbows, so it turns out?
            1. New Year day 5 February 2020 22: 42 New
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              It turns out that the Russians came and dispersed to hell the whole well-functioning infrastructure

              doesn’t come out like that! Infrastructure was in full swing, but medicine lived according to Ukrainian laws, some salary was paid, which was supplemented by the offerings of the population. Paperwork with medical documentation was insignificant and nobody needed the same medical histories.
              After the 14th, it changed: paper scrap sharply increased, which is also on the mainland. Medical records are monitored by insurance companies and fines are imposed. on doctors, although this is a violation of the law. The penalty can only be imposed on the hospital, but she, as a regressive lawsuit, can recover a doctor from the court. Insurers could reduce fines by 50% with fines. Who will like it? In addition, according to the box they declare that there are all medicines (as on the mainland), but this fact is not in the Crimea or on the mainland. A situation was created when the population was hammered into the head that doctors were stealing missing medications. As a result of this nonsense, about 80% of beneficiaries in Crimea refused free medicines (including my mother). The excited population in this situation began to come off on doctors emotionally- with bad words, there was a stream of complaints about everything: torn sheets, idle ventilation, a look from underneath the doctors, etc.
              In parallel with this, optimization went on - what I have done on the mainland, I think, you know.
              And what did the doctors do in this situation? “They quit.” Why do they need hassle, a low salary, a mass of papers amid rising prices for everything?
              They went to private medical centers, of which there are hundreds. The cities there are small and every decent doctor is well known and, therefore, he is provided with work and income.
              Who stayed in the hospitals and clinics? - Those whom no one will take anywhere because of their training, those who pull the strap out of habit and young people who need to train. Exactly! And having gained experience, they will go to private clinics and this process is endless in the existing conditions.
              That is why the shortage of personnel. As regards collateral, this is another matter.
    2. St Petrov 5 February 2020 15: 32 New
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      Man, what do we have, what are we afraid of losing? laughing

      a bunch of structures will lose their jobs. The entire power vertical will be reformatted. even the Foreign Ministry will not be needed. Therefore, I understand the employee of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Belarus, who will drown for independence

      1. Gost2012 5 February 2020 20: 31 New
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        How many workers do we have at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs so that we can compare them with workers, office plankton, police, teachers, healthcare, etc., etc. In addition, only the top will be mowed down, specialists in the departments will still be needed. And even if they cut the state apparatus, it’s already too inflated in our country, it would be good outside the context of integration.
        So no heap will lose anything, just as there was a heap, it will remain so, all the same the ministries and departments need the same, the Ministry of Emergencies, the police, the courts, the Ministry of Health, etc., only for some of the best (well, or somehow else ) An additional elevator to Moscow will open. So that only a bunch will win, but the top - no, won’t win, unless, of course, she will be guaranteed an honorable sinecure until retirement.
  • Vladimir M 5 February 2020 11: 25 New
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    Well, the western regions of Ukraine are not much needed. From them one hemorrhoid. All empires and countries that included Galicia disintegrated. This is Austria-Hungary and Poland and RI
    1. tihonmarine 5 February 2020 11: 28 New
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      This is Austria-Hungary and Poland and RI

      And Turkey too.
      1. Vladimir M 5 February 2020 11: 30 New
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        Ideal option to push Galicia to the same Poland
        1. Dmitry Potapov 5 February 2020 11: 49 New
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          Better states.
        2. Alex Nevs 5 February 2020 12: 13 New
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          Why push it? Sooner or later they’ll go away. Aki of the LPR and the DPR. For the coming decades. But then ....
  • Украинец 5 February 2020 11: 27 New
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    You can’t even imagine how many people in Ukraine are for unification !!!
  • bessmertniy 5 February 2020 11: 34 New
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    Living the realities of today, we must think about tomorrow. Unfortunately, today, in principle, there are no calculations that would show that the unification should bring benefits. Lukashenko sees a profit in domestic Russian oil prices, but he must understand that while we are not a single state, he should only dream about these prices.
    1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 12: 00 New
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      There is a very funny subtlety, maybe I don’t quite know the subject of course and wrote heresy. Since the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus are in the CIS, we do not have customs duties on oil and oil products, and if a Russian refinery receives oil at Russian prices, but ours do not. Then automatically we find ourselves in the worst competitive position. I am not talking about the sale of crude Russian oil abroad with our margin.
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        Then automatically we find ourselves in the worst competitive position.

        but you don’t have to contain the Strategic Missile Forces and others ...
        1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 12: 42 New
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          Yes, it’s not in vain that all atomic weapons were withdrawn, it’s terribly expensive. And so we still grind one of the parties in the case of warriors.
      2. Alexga 5 February 2020 13: 43 New
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        It turns out a little different here, after the tax maneuver, the oil price for the plants of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus is the same, I have a premium of $ 10. I don’t say, but the budget of the Russian Federation for its factories compensates for the price increase with an increase in mineral extraction tax, and the budget of the Republic of Belarus cannot afford it. It seems to be no violations of the Union Treaty. True, I still cannot understand how it was possible to reduce my competitiveness by raising the price of raw materials. Today compensate, and tomorrow? And what will partners say for subsidies from their producer in terms of WTO rules?
        1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 13: 49 New
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          And what will partners say for subsidies from their producer in terms of WTO rules

          Most likely nothing. They would have already said. I hope the modernization of the processing depth of RB factories has made it possible to at least partially compensate for the inequality of conditions.
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            It's a question of time. For example, the raids on France for the support of their agricultural producers.
  • avia12005 5 February 2020 11: 17 New
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    Under the current authorities and elites in power in the Russian Federation, Belarus and Ukraine-never.
  • Zaurbek 5 February 2020 11: 24 New
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    No need for sudden movements. It is enough that it is registered. Common currency, economy. It was possible to have a better situation with Ukraine. But there, our money was also stolen and not controlled by their thieves. And the US controlled Europe too.
    1. Uncle Izya 5 February 2020 11: 28 New
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      It is unlikely that Akerika clung to Ukraine and will not let go
      1. Zaurbek 5 February 2020 12: 01 New
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        It is necessary to create conditions .... to teach children, to create influence groups .... to create elites. Aggressively and do not look at who and what will think.
        1. Grandfather Crimea 5 February 2020 13: 16 New
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          Where to create?
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            In these countries
  • Gardamir 5 February 2020 11: 28 New
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    And that’s true, the more enemies around Russia, the calmer the guys in the Kremlin. In the Kremlin, all are white and fluffy.
  • paul3390 5 February 2020 11: 29 New
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    Actually - why should Belarusians unite with us? So that our alligators immediately crush the entire national economy for themselves and lower the people below the plinth, like ours? Alas, the non-existent RF is not very seductive as a standard of unification .. First you need to restore order in yourself before you climb into others.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2 5 February 2020 14: 06 New
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      So that our alligators immediately crush the entire national economy for themselves and lower the people below the plinth, like ours?

      In Belarus, there are already enough alligators. You should not consider the situation from the point of view of capitalism, socialism. In fact, this is the confrontation of some capitalists with others.
    2. Alexga 5 February 2020 18: 24 New
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      Pavel, I will try to expand your words a little. The main serious areas of the economy belong to the state. They are in different versions joint-stock companies, almost all, but there are small exceptions, but they are still under the state. And here the thought arises, and not enter us into the Russian Federation. There is no state, and in this case there is no owner of these industries, no one can sell shares, no owner and all that. Even collateral auctions are not necessary, just take whoever wants. But that is not the point. More interesting is another. Let's say the property went to someone. Well, Kamaz bought MAZ and MZKT. Why Kamaz competitor in the form of Maz. It’s easier to close it in any way and sell your products at your own prices, there’s no choice. About MZKT even more interesting. Why produce cheap MZKT when there is an incomprehensible, expensive Platform O, push it to the Ministry of Defense, they will buy, they will not go anywhere. True, then the owners of Kamaz may appear and crank everything according to the Sberbank scheme in Crimea. So, now Lukashenko is one of the most important guardians of Russia's defense. I indicated the schemes very schematically, but it can be different in every way, as they said in Transbaikalia.
  • Pashhenko Nikolay 5 February 2020 11: 29 New
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    The state must be united. And unions are all temporary, according to the situation. Today I am friends, tomorrow I am not friends, depending on the leaders coming in the future.
  • bessmertniy 5 February 2020 11: 30 New
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    We need referendums on the creation of a union state. And not only in Belarus and Ukraine, but also in other former republics of the USSR. And based on the results of referenda, state leaders will have to fulfill the will of their peoples. If the peoples do not have a craving for each other, there will be no understanding that together we are a serious force on our planet and this is a gain for all of us, then nothing will come out purely administratively. On the contrary, we see how the elites of the former republics, on the contrary, inflame contradictions between our countries, guided by the principle of "divide and rule". hi
    1. Kronos 5 February 2020 13: 47 New
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      And what if they vote against the referendum?
  • Red
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    To be honest, I want to take off my hat to the Americans. If you look at the map, they methodically remove the buffer from countries. Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia are already against us, Poland, now Ukraine, the Old Man, too, began to grumble. He will also spread and then the entire Western border of the Russian Federation will be hostile. Straight on June 22, 1941 it turns out. Are we not learning from mistakes
    1. Alex Nevs 5 February 2020 12: 15 New
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      Everything is not there, as you wrote. More precisely, it’s not at all simple.
      1. Gost2012 5 February 2020 12: 52 New
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        Quote: Alex Nevs
        Everything is not there, as you wrote. More precisely, it’s not at all simple.

        ... and not only everything ..
  • Ross xnumx 5 February 2020 11: 41 New
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    Is there a chance for the unification of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine: about the moment of truth

    Under the conditions of political structures and economic formations that took place in countries, there is NO CATEGORY !!!
    Someone remembers, but there is such a question for the Armenian radio: “Can a woman be a friend?”
    Answer: “No!”
    hi
  • mikh-korsakov 5 February 2020 11: 43 New
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    Trall wrote that I was hysterical about the rally of opponents of the unification of Russia and Belarus in Minsk. No, that's not the point. It’s just tired of the fact that all the former Soviet republics, and at the same time the Russian liberals are confused poking Russia with the nose that the republics are now independent sovereign states, such as whom we want to be friends with, and you (Russia) if you want to be friends with us - do us nice (gazku, oil and other things, which we need more and cheaper). I believe that the collapse of the USSR in 1991 was not even a tragedy, but a crime. I will not write who is to blame, it is long and useless - forum users themselves know who. But if this had already taken place, I would like to remind you that the Russian Federation is also a sovereign independent state and owes nothing to anyone. I fully agree with Kurginyan that Russia should not make any special preferences to the former republics. I used to think that our authorities were guilty of not influencing the situation in Ukraine before the Maidan. But now life convinced me that I was wrong. Russia tried to influence, and so that Russia lost 3 billion dollars, and the Ukrainian population is united in NATO and the EU, and all attempts to force them to do otherwise are useless, since today people in the EU live richer than in Russia - this is a fact . The same applies to Belarus. This does not mean that Russia should refuse any form of mutual cooperation, but in the same format as, say, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, etc. that is, without the illusions of fraternity.
    1. Guards turn 5 February 2020 11: 56 New
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      ... "and the Ukrainian population is friendly in NATO and the EU" ... At the moment, it (the population of Ukraine) is rapidly moving in the other direction.
      1. mikh-korsakov 5 February 2020 12: 09 New
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        Evidence in the studio?
        1. Guards turn 5 February 2020 12: 35 New
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          You are welcome. Yesterday, workers at the Kherson propeller shaft factory took part in a protest rally, blood has already been shed. The plant’s employees - and there are more than a hundred of them - came to the checkpoint to defend their enterprise and prevent its plunder. Something I did not notice on their faces and in their speeches, the desire to "go friendly to NATO and the EU."
          1. IS-80_RVGK2 5 February 2020 14: 10 New
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            Yesterday, workers at the Kherson propeller shaft factory came out to protest, blood has already been spilled.

            Six years later, Great News began to suspect something. laughing
      2. Alex Nevs 5 February 2020 12: 18 New
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        Below the bottom, they sell land and give railway. Dogs also need to be sold, and cats can be reached.
      3. Grandfather Crimea 5 February 2020 13: 22 New
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        The population is falling to the near abroad ...
    2. ser56 5 February 2020 12: 34 New
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      Ф is also a sovereign independent state and owes nothing to anyone.

      But how is this possible - Russia owes everything! bully
    3. GenNick 5 February 2020 12: 39 New
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      You know, in Bangladesh I didn’t build anything ... Believe me, for 44 years of work experience, as the classics write in the economy of (the people?) Of Russia ,, ... there is a share of my labor ... ''
      If you turn off the calendar pages 10 years ago, before signing the TS, then guests from Russia and Kazakhstan came to us quite a few ... Everyone wanted to buy a car for their own ball. Remember the customs clearance with you and ours. But then, after 13 years, Naturally, at the request of the residents of the Republic of Belarus, they made a 100% customs clearance of the car from behind the hill. This is just a remark, nothing personal
      And you know, I didn’t have friends from the Ivory Coast, but with Vologda, Gorky, and with the guys from the Urals, I ate from one pot and my legs in one ,, sideor '' warmed up ...
      So, buddy, I believe that everything will be fine, but when? That's the question ...
      Something tells me that it will be then
      -when children will be born for love, and not for money;
      -when the police / police will defend the rights and freedoms of their citizens, not the bourgeois;
      - when the Motherland says it IS NECESSARY, and we LIKE to say It Will Be Done !!!
      And today I’m on the drum, as Chelsea plays Abramovich ...
      1. mikh-korsakov 5 February 2020 12: 48 New
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        Your friendship is in the past! It was wonderful, I also lost business trips in Latvia for months, and no questions about the occupation, friendship flourished. But we are out of date. Now the youth will build where he will be paid more. So remember the vulgar. It’s sad for us, for youth it’s useless.
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          It is not regrettable, but the fact (((((
    4. Victor N 5 February 2020 15: 45 New
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      Life in Russia is no different from life in the EU. But traditions, mentality are different. It is necessary to increase the image of their country, to speak more carefully. The bad form of publicly reproaching family members is the same with respect to the country.
    5. Aleksandr21 5 February 2020 18: 01 New
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      ... Before, I thought that our authorities were guilty of not influencing the situation in Ukraine before the Maidan. But now life convinced me that I was wrong. Russia tried to influence, and so that Russia lost 3 billion dollars, and the Ukrainian population is united in NATO and the EU, and all attempts to force them to do otherwise are useless, since today people in the EU live richer than in Russia - this is a fact . The same applies to Belarus.


      But on the contrary, I’m already convinced by the example with Belarus that ours are to blame for too slow integration and soft policies towards neighbors. If in due time we paid due attention to Ukraine and had leverage over the process that was going on there, now the situation could have been different and there would have been a Customs Union: Ukraine + Belarus + Russia + Kazakhstan with further EU integration, with a single currency and a single market. But unlike the Americans, we do not know how to control the processes in the union states, a very vivid example is Ukraine. When the story was redone, the population was again brainwashed and, on the whole, seized control of the country. And this was done not for 1 year, or even 10 years .... but ours looked at it through their fingers, because they thought that Ukraine was close and nowhere to go but seriously miscalculated. And the project of the USSR 2.0, which could be formed in the likeness of the EU and compete with China and the United States in the economy, has sunk into oblivion. And now integration is stalling in the Union State, in the EAEU, because local elites are afraid of losing power, and for good we have all the levers to change this system, but we need tough decisions, and GDP is a proponent of a soft approach and when it is necessary to raise the issue with an edge , even with the same integration within the Union State, we have been delaying the processes for decades.
      1. mikh-korsakov 5 February 2020 21: 05 New
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        Alexander! Ideally, you are certainly right, I was hoping for USSR 2.0 before the Maidan. But if you think about the specific situation, it turns out this: the image of the Russian Federation in its environs was not high as far back as the fat 2000-2010. Among other things, we tried our media, which the Russian Federation presented as a face with an unbroken chain of scandals, revelations, corruption, all kinds of TV shows about gang warfare - foreign media willingly picked up and added something that was not there - I know firsthand. Further, I am convinced that not even the standard of living is of paramount importance for the nation in choosing one or another allies, because every able-bodied and intelligent person is confident in my soul - I’ll arrange my own standard of living as it should. The most important thing is the quality of life - this means that a person is able to quickly and effectively solve his problems with the state, including a good education of children, protection from bandits, treatment of the elderly, the possibility of starting a business, etc. In this regard, the Russian Federation also has nothing to boast about. It was not without reason that in the discussion in the fall of 2013 on the Internet, when there was an option for Ukraine to enter the CU, our opponents called our country “a taiga union”. Putin understood this, and frankly, he takes desperate efforts to rectify the situation. But five years ago, it was useless to compare the quality of life in the EU and the Russian Federation and, on this basis, campaigned. As for non-public diplomacy, it was like pouring a bucket of water into a shake. However, they tried, spent $ 3 billion to the tail of the dog. Lenin said that in order to unite, one must first separate oneself — and in this he is right. Therefore, I hope that Putin’s projects will come true. Then the new countries will reach us themselves. then we'll talk. If not, then any dreams of a brotherhood of nations are groundless.
    6. Avior 6 February 2020 00: 44 New
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      Russia tried to influence, and so that Russia lost $ 3 billion

      The bet on Yanukovych was so wrong from the very beginning that 3 billion cases could not be fixed
  • sagitch 5 February 2020 11: 48 New
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    Do you need it? An association. The partnership is close, based on mutually beneficial conditions, yes.
  • Pavel57 5 February 2020 11: 57 New
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    There are too many development scenarios to be evaluated now, but in the future Lukashenko does not see a place for normal relations.
    1. God save the king 5 February 2020 12: 11 New
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      Moreover, there is no doubt that after his departure the reins will take even more pro-Western forces.
      If Russia does not intervene now, then soon Belarus will finally turn into a "Baltic tiger", and this cannot be allowed.
    2. GenNick 5 February 2020 12: 44 New
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      Over time, Lukoshenko will probably have a place either on Moscow (East), and Putin apparently Novodeveche ... I do not believe that they will put him together with the Leader of the World Revolution, and the priests will be against the Kremlin Wall ...
  • rudolff 5 February 2020 11: 57 New
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    Offer Alexander Grigoryevich to become president of Russia and tomorrow Belarus will be part of Russia. At least in whole areas. And no referendum is needed. The key word is power. Actually, due to the thirst for power, the specific princes and the Union fell apart.
    1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 12: 03 New
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      And the leaders of the Russian Federation of that time can be considered as specific princes, because they condoned (did not interfere) with the collapse of the union?
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        Yes, in fact, Yeltsin became the locomotive of the collapse of the Union.
    2. ser56 5 February 2020 12: 35 New
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      Quote: rudolff
      Offer Alexander Grigoryevich to become President of Russia

      thank you - no need .... we are not experimental rabbits ... repeat
      1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 12: 46 New
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        They’ll just kill him. Without relying on the security forces, the president has nothing to do. There Zelensky became the president, but he can’t do anything. Ideally, until you put all your rivals into the ditch without breaking the country, you won’t be able to do anything.
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          They’ll just kill him.

          he will not be elected in Russia bully
          1. rudolff 5 February 2020 13: 11 New
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            After Medvedev, I believe that in Russia even a rubber doll can be chosen from a sex shop. It all depends on the circumstances and who will stand behind this doll. Well, Lukashenko has a talent for working for the public. In Russia they don’t even imagine what kind of performances he can play.
            1. ser56 5 February 2020 13: 24 New
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              After Medvedev, I believe

              your right, but Russia is changing ...
              Quote: rudolff
              It all depends on the circumstances and who will stand behind this doll.

              it remains to wait 4 years - wait and see ... hi
              Quote: rudolff
              In Russia they don’t even imagine what kind of performances he can play.

              what we have not seen enough in Russia, it’s your one-man show there ... request
    3. IS-80_RVGK2 5 February 2020 14: 14 New
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      Quote: rudolff
      Offer Alexander Grigoryevich to become president of Russia and tomorrow Belarus will be part of Russia.

      And do not hope. Then our alligators will be against it. And the opinion of the common people nifig is now worthless. For he fights mainly on the Internet without leaving the couch. laughing
    4. Victor N 5 February 2020 15: 51 New
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      Very interesting: is there anyone in Russia now who can vote for the president-Lukashenko? After all his latest and today's revelations.
  • God save the king 5 February 2020 12: 07 New
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    Even the most cheers-patriotic citizens do not believe in any kind of unification, and by "union" they mean the JOINING of new lands to Russia.
    What else can we talk about if there is simply no positive dialogue between nations ?!
    1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 12: 12 New
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      Too alas, partners are not equal, so as a union it is difficult to perceive. I would rather see it as the entry of broad autonomy into the federation. But there is too much difference in the laws and type of economy. If you attach as the Russians see it will be the collapse of the region and the massive outflow of the population to the EU and the Russian Federation (Moscow, St. Petersburg) to work. Apart from the reaction of Europe with serious problems.
      1. God save the king 5 February 2020 12: 24 New
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        And here is the general equivalence?
        They have their own interests and choices, the account of which is the union.
        I would rather see it as the entry of broad autonomy into the federation.
        This is what you see, but the majority of the inhabitants of these republics do not want to hear about the loss of independence, and accordingly, we are not even talking about voluntary “entry”.
        But there is too much difference in the laws and type of economy.
        This is how paperwork called “laws” is the least obstacle. As practice shows, these formalities can be twisted as you like and rewritten according to the mood, there would be a desire.
        1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 12: 33 New
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          And here is the general equivalence?

          Equivalence when viewed from the side. How one side looks at the other. Freeloaders are a common phrase in these disputes. Although everyone forgets that everything is paid for.)
          This is what you see, but the majority of the inhabitants of these republics do not want to hear about the loss of independence, and accordingly, we are not even talking about voluntary “entry”.

          I live in this republic and can quite understand them.
          twirl as you like

          You can only be careful.
      2. Gost2012 5 February 2020 13: 06 New
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        Quote: Darkesstcat
        Too alas, partners are not equal, so as a union it is difficult to perceive. I would rather see it as the entry of broad autonomy into the federation. But there is too much difference in the laws and type of economy. If you attach as the Russians see it will be the collapse of the region and the massive outflow of the population to the EU and the Russian Federation (Moscow, St. Petersburg) to work. Apart from the reaction of Europe with serious problems.

        If you join, then the "laws and types of economies" will be unified. Earnings to Moscow and St. Petersburg are internal migration. Well, how from Mikhanovich to Minsk to work. In addition, it is present right now in a commercial quantity. Europe’s reaction with problems - so we do not take oil in Europe, but otherwise under sanctions.
        The only thing that can impede unification is the local government. That's it, point. Any other categories only win. There are no contraindications, except for the authorities, they are so arranged by nature, and a couple of% of svyadom, this is good for unification in Warsaw.
        1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 13: 34 New
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          That's it, period.

          A funny phrase that is decisive and does not explain anything.
          There are no contraindications except authorities

          I bet that in Ukraine they spoke the same way during the Maidan.
  • AleBors 5 February 2020 12: 11 New
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    Too much needs to be changed in the native Fatherland so that the neighbors want to join us. So far, alas, this is not possible.
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      As we were told, the associations of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania did not want to do the same, alas, life made them.
      1. AleBors 5 February 2020 12: 54 New
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        And who, or what can make us? To unite, at least a plebiscite is needed, but the neighbors don’t see the desire to carry it out, and if that happens, I have doubts about its result.
        1. Victor N 5 February 2020 16: 02 New
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          Yes, no reunion requests are heard from Belarus. And no one will forcibly attach - there is nothing particularly interesting there. At the philistine level, they are, as it were, invited.
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            This is empty talk. If in our country it would be good and good to live, then there would be no end to those wishing to join.
  • rudolff 5 February 2020 12: 15 New
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    Lukashenko’s rating in Russia in the second half of the 90s was very high. Especially against the backdrop of Yeltsin. He considered himself the successor of Yeltsin. That is precisely why this agreement appeared on the creation of a union state. Not a union of states, but a single union state. With a single constitution, with supranational authorities, with a single currency, with a single citizenship and passport. And then suddenly, like a devil from a snuff-box, Putin jumped out, who put an end to all of AG’s wet dreams. After the second Chechen one, after bringing all constituent constituents to the constitution of Russia, after loud statements such as the equidistance of all oligarchs, and after Yeltsin ... Putin’s rating soared. Lukashenko realized that a cozy cabinet in the Kremlin was no longer shining for him and that a fat cross was put on the union state, and sovereignty and independence became the main ideological paradigm of Belarus. Well, Russia has become just a cash cow. There will be no consolidation. A new generation is growing up, which does not know any Union, for which Russia, these are oligarchs, crime, Caucasians ... all that they constantly hear and see on BT.
    1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 12: 22 New
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      And if I don’t watch, but read the top var and ria news, can I be considered a new generation?
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        Then you are top Brewed and riaNovy!
    2. Victor N 5 February 2020 16: 06 New
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      There are still opportunities for a reunion.
      But the economy of Belarus without Russian resources and markets is kirdyk.
  • cniza 5 February 2020 12: 19 New
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    Good, and not just good, but fraternal relations between Russia and Belarus, as well as Ukraine, are not his personal merit, nor Vladimir Putin, with all due respect to both.


    And politicians do not allow them, relations, to develop and unite, that’s the whole task ...
  • rocket757 5 February 2020 12: 20 New
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    Is there really a historical chance to create an alliance of two fraternal peoples, which could be the beginning of an even wider unification, including with Ukraine, will be buried?

    It is not at all clear how it will go ... illusions, it can be sideways, but objective reality ... has not yet arrived.
    We will see, in general.
  • Sapsan136 5 February 2020 12: 20 New
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    Within the current borders, there is no chance of unification! The author is a great dreamer, if he thinks otherwise!
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  • Romka 5 February 2020 12: 31 New
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    And for what? If I wish, I will get a Russian passport. The Russians here come to rest, work, and be treated, they feel at home. For what?
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      Quote: Romka
      And for what? If I wish, I will get a Russian passport. The Russians here come to rest, work, and be treated, they feel at home. For what?

      Apparently, in order for the wicked and greedy Putin to finally begin to sell oil and gas to us at domestic prices, that there would be a common economy and that ruins from former factories would not be imported, so that our pensions would receive a pension, as in the Russian Federation, and young - a mortgage. So Crimea joined, and immediately the factories received a load and funds for modernization. That's for something like that, IMHO
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        I already have a house loan hanging (little is left)
  • WayKheThuo 5 February 2020 12: 35 New
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    If we want to be in union with us, we need to be strong and, what is very important, to have a clearly expressed understanding of what we are for and why, and most importantly - how we differ from others. And for the better.
    Is my country strong - Russia? Well, this is with whom to compare. Compared to Africa and most countries in the Middle East - certainly. And in comparison with the USA? In the end, the president of Burkina Faso did not come to the dad. Compared with China, with the European Union? And this is not a matter of purely military force, although judging by the articles on the HE, we have to do with seams. I'm talking about something else. And not even about the economy. I am about ideology. About her, darling.
    Please note that Perestroika and all the events subsequent to it, starting with the State Emergency Committee and ending with October 1993, did not give rise to any really popular holidays in my country. Although the worse is the holiday on August 19 (or on the 20th, forgot already)? The event is truly epic - the coup was popularly taken up and the time of year is very pleasant - celebrate for your pleasure. But no. Not "entered" somehow. And 1993th what is bad? Today’s power structure, for a moment, is a direct result of these events. The same power that collects up to 80% of the vote. What is not a holiday? True, October is not the best month, but certainly not worse than November. But also somehow "past." All this hints that for the most part the people did not accept the collapse of the Union, nor the new economic policy of the Russian Federation, nor much, much more. Of course, from the point of view of overstock and other benefits, especially in capitals, all the norms are unlikely to be abandoned, but behind all this visible abundance there is an emptiness, and for some, an emptiness filled with the hell of betrayal. And people feel it.
    The people understand a very simple thing - today Russia is an ordinary capitalist country and in its essence is no different, that is, absolutely no different from any similar country, developed and not very West or East.
    They have capitalism and we have capitalism, they have a rich / poor relationship and we have the same thing. True, there is one caveat - Western spill capitalism has more than 300 years of history and has developed mechanisms, if not solutions, then at least to smooth out the contradictions generated by it, and we have all these mechanisms only at the very beginning of formation.
    How in the eyes of a resident of Belarus or Ukraine does the Russian Federation differ from Europe or the USA? Especially in the eyes of a man born in the 90s? The answer is simple: Russia is their ugly copy. And who wants to enter into an alliance with a miserable likeness? It’s better to try to establish a relationship with the original.
    I believe that the USSR was not an ideal country. Moreover, I believe that the late USSR (mid-late 80s) was a real “scoop” that neither the powers that be nor the peoples living in it needed. But with all the shortcomings, the late USSR had one undeniable advantage - this state gave new meanings, set new heights and, most importantly, had a clearly expressed ideological stratum. His own, suffered.
    Taking a direct part in the collapse of the USSR, officially declaring itself my successor to my country, not at the level of individual personalities, but at the global, nationwide level, it was not decided on the main thing - why was this all?
    We need to decide on ourselves and start with the fact that our history is our pride.
    As long as “LENIN” is bashfully draped during the Victory Parade at the mausoleum, the Battle of Stalingrad, being a turning point and the history of the Great Patriotic War, takes place for some reason near Volgograd, and there is no official monument to the Supreme throughout the country, so far for all Poland’s claims in part 1939 years, we will not answer simply: "Our ancestors did this, so it was necessary!" and until we stop flattering to seek friendship with the "fraternal" peoples - no one will ever respect us.
    And no one wants to enter into an alliance with us.
  • thinker 5 February 2020 12: 39 New
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    "Some moment of truth has come." ... to interpret such a statement in a positive sense is hardly worth it.

    Yes, Grigoryevich announced yesterday how artillery preparation ...
    https://www.belta.by/president/view/nastupil-moment-instiny-lukashenko-7-fevralja-planiruet-vstretitsja-s-putinym-378316-2020/
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      He comes to him once a year. The moment of truth is the moment of price.
  • shubin 5 February 2020 12: 41 New
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    But I don’t understand the desire of Russia all the time with someone to unite. Russia is absolutely and completely self-sufficient, and can live happily even in absolute isolation. All in all, business and order should be brought to order in the house, then those who wish to unite will stand in line.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2 5 February 2020 14: 23 New
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      Russia is absolutely and completely self-sufficient, and can live happily even in absolute isolation.

      What a blessing that you are not the president of Russia.
  • ccsr 5 February 2020 12: 52 New
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    Author:
    Alexander Kharaluzhny
    So is there a chance for the unification of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine? In fact, he is.

    I think that with the current generation this is a pipe dream, and the author seems too far from the realities of today's life in these countries. It’s time to cast aside the illusions, at least with regard to Ukraine — we don’t need the gangrene of Ukrainian fascism, because we must either destroy it or stay away from it.
    I think that healthy isolationism will only benefit Russia, if only to be monolithic and have the resources to counter the danger of losing our statehood. And the rest of the world sideways - in extreme cases, we have the means to achieve the destruction of those who will prevent us from developing.
  • Prisoner 5 February 2020 12: 59 New
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    Do not be dashing while it is quiet. Does it need three in one? What the hell union? Not on team up? It is better to be friends with houses in any way than in one communal apartment to nerve each other.
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      Quote: Captive
      Do not be dashing while it is quiet. Does it need three in one? What the hell union? Not on team up? It is better to be friends with houses in any way than in one communal apartment to nerve each other.

      If the union, then this is not 3 in one, this one will turn out in itself
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        For a long time it did not work out and is unlikely to work out.
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          For a long time it did not work out and is unlikely to work out.

          Maybe so, but if you don’t do it, it won’t work out unambiguously.
  • 7,62h54 5 February 2020 13: 32 New
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    While father is planting directors of sugar factories, and the Dear Head turns a blind eye to the outright crimes of his officials, there will be no reunion. And the current situation is generally beneficial to the rogues, they will earn more through lawsuits than in the community.
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    The farther from 1991, the chances of some kind of reunion are becoming a thing of the past.
    Young people born in the last 30 years are used to living in independent countries and phantom pains in the USSR have not been confirmed. As for Ukraine, the frantic propaganda in both countries against each other,
    spilled blood, put an end to this issue. Russian politics has done everything possible to direct its neighbors towards the west and NATO. Only decades and a change in the current generation of leaders can change this process.
  • iouris 5 February 2020 14: 12 New
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    "... to unite Russia": the problem must be posed correctly, otherwise the goal is set incorrectly. Moment of truth: Russia is a divided country. Methodology...
  • ibn.shamai 5 February 2020 14: 22 New
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    Here they’ve lit a bodyagie !!! Who is talking about the union? Putin? Not when he didn’t say that! Luke began to inflate out of molehills by the fact that Russia blocked the freebie channel for him and his friends! Immediately different pigs and other evil spirits became more active: - "Yes, yes, Putin wants to enslave us !!!" and off we go! Putin talked about closer INTEGRATION in different areas and not about any kind of unification into one state under his leadership! fool
    1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 14: 24 New
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      Everyone remembers a union state that no one has read.)
  • Lekz 5 February 2020 14: 24 New
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    Still worth being realistic. The peoples of the USSR in a referendum confirmed their desire to live in the Union. But the USSR was destroyed by regional (and not national at all) "elites" who wanted to convert their power into their own well-being, motivating this with concern for maintaining the identity of peoples. In the limit, we could get the Tver and Siberian republics. Hoping that those in power will suddenly decide to change their minds and die in the summer, for me, is somewhat naive. They can only be forced into this, or through their insight that without Russia, the fate of Yanukovych awaits them.
  • Tektor 5 February 2020 14: 36 New
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    This is the moment when you need to "decisively separate!"
  • Konstantin Shevchenko 5 February 2020 14: 44 New
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    If you combine Ukraine with Belarus, you get the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Geographically almost 1: 1 match. Interestingly, Belarusians and Ukrainians will also be called Lithuanians?
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      From the Poles it is necessary to bite off a bit from the Lithuanians.)
      1. Ros 56 5 February 2020 16: 56 New
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        Which do you prefer, arms or legs or back. laughing lol laughing hi
    2. sevryuk 5 February 2020 19: 29 New
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      Well, with the exception of Sloboda Ukraine, Donbass, New Russia, Crimea, Bukovina and Transcarpathia. And so, yes.
      1. Konstantin Shevchenko 5 February 2020 21: 12 New
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        Sloboda Ukraine, Donbass, Novorossia did not exist during the time of the VLK. This is already during the Commonwealth. The VLK was different in size at different times, at one time Smolensk and Pskov entered until Moscow Vasily the third took it from the Republic of Poland. The name "Sloboda Ukraine" appeared only in 1765, before this settlement (Slobozhanshchina) of Russia (or the Moscow Principality).
  • Yang yangov 5 February 2020 15: 17 New
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    you don’t have to consider your brother to be someone who just wants a good deal with you. so to speak, “nothing personal, only business”!
    1. Darkesstcat 5 February 2020 15: 34 New
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      It sounds very funny when it's mutual. laughing
  • pylon101 5 February 2020 16: 02 New
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    No more "unions." Only full accession to Russia.
    Any unions weaken our state as a form of existence of the Russian people.
  • Pavel73 5 February 2020 16: 08 New
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    Alas, after "Muscovites - to the knives!" our brotherhood is over.
    1. Ros 56 5 February 2020 16: 54 New
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      Pavel is seventy-third, we are not talking about banderlogs, Givi is also from there, and there are many different people there, you don’t have to pile everyone up. My friend (German) uncle (German) during the Second World War fought a fighter pilot and that .....
      1. Pavel73 10 February 2020 10: 01 New
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        And who allowed banderlogs to open their mouths? Who allowed them to gain strength and did nothing to strangle this nits in the bud? Are not those whom we considered “brothers” and “normal Ukrainians”? What can I say, even if the former CEO of Yuzhmash and the second president of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma writes an abomination called "Ukraine is not Russia"! But he seems to be normal and not a banderlog. It seems to be better than others to understand where everything is going. What then are the rest? We have no more "brothers". If they were, they would never allow this swindling. And Givi, Elderberry, and other desperate guys are exceptions. Which have already been skipped, by the way. The bulk of the people have long been reformatted. It remains only to knock out everything Russian from the children. The Russian language is all banned fuck. And did anyone pickle?
  • dirk182 5 February 2020 16: 09 New
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    Quote: Den717
    You can see right away that you are not a capitalist ... Primitive people cannot manage complex systems. Primitive people, as a rule, are only a small detail in such systems.

    And where did you get the idea that the capitalist controls something? The capitalist is not working. Absolutely. He, conditionally, “sits under a palm tree and mulattos” on the surplus product seized from workers. For him, everything is done by hired workers (including the manager), whom he exploits without working at all.
    1. Ros 56 5 February 2020 16: 49 New
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      Well, why is it so naive to perceive the world. Try to supervise with something your own, where there will be hired workers and a manager, and I will giggle from the side, how will you sit under a palm tree and feel the mulattos. I’m afraid you won’t care either about a palm tree or a mulatto.
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        I’m talking specifically about the capitalist, about his economic role
        1. Ros 56 5 February 2020 17: 04 New
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          And this is capitalist, for it is your capital invested in your business. Take a chance, if you have something to risk, or take a loan for development and then look at the mulatto.
  • Ros 56 5 February 2020 16: 43 New
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    This is the greatest thing to unite fraternal peoples into a mighty power. Whoever does this will glorify his name for centuries. It is a pity that only our generation will not have to live in this wonderful time.
  • Knell wardenheart 5 February 2020 16: 53 New
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    All the time we are trying to bring this union under some kind of ideological or mental foundation - and this is our mistake. Some mental affinity in any association is a very important factor, no doubt. It allows you to strengthen the existing connection and complicate their destruction under the influence of temporary factors. However, mental closeness can NOT act as a strong BINDING factor - it is rather a strengthening factor. The strong connecting factor was and will be - (1) Economics, (2) Security. The USSR brought its republics to a good standard of living, prosperity and education - helped them rebuild their infrastructure - and after that the connecting role of the USSR weakened (which is quite logical) - after all, the republics got what they wanted from it to a certain level - and there was also an understanding that resource separation in the foreseeable future, it will not lead to qualitative changes for our beloved ones (after all, in the USSR there was an economic and political crisis) = everything collapsed (despite the referenda, the host of communists and cultural and linguistic ties).
    What can we conclude from this? In unification processes — weaker, less affluent, and less organized — tend to be stronger, more affluent, and more organized. In striving, first of all, to equalize one's own "lame" indicators - due to the strength of the center. This does not mean that everyone is breaking solely for the dough "give, give, give!" . No. Organizing factor "beyond the middle man" between the small-town dismantling of local elites and social services. groups - also important.

    Now think, what are we hoping for? A country in which they also steal BILLIONS of people who don’t understand what people are, where there is a terrible stagnation of power (like hinting that no positive changes are expected), small and medium-sized businesses, big international problems and incomprehensible semi-militaristic projects from different directions are also being pressed Sveta. What do we want to "lure" the fraternal peoples to us?
    Where is our economic strength (3% of world GDP), organizational strength, finally, where is the strength of our security (from whom? From Europe, which doesn’t even have its own army?!).

    Conclusion: even if you personally DO NOT like the voice voiced by me, these are real factors. No matter how we invest, until we work on ourselves and put our country in order, no one will come to us. And vice versa - if we clean up our house - all this Bandera-sovereign lousy will end very quickly and by itself. And if it doesn’t end somewhere, we’ll have another round to think about - do we need to RELY on the “union republics” again, with whom we were already very burnt once ..
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    This has never happened before, and here again ... Uniting is good with equals. Okay, Belarus Russia, maybe something else will pull. The failure of the economy will certainly be huge, the rupe will roll closer to 100 per Euro. At the expense of the people, we will get out in 20-25 years. Do not get used to it ... But Ukraine ... Do we need it ???
  • dirk182 5 February 2020 17: 44 New
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    Quote: Ros 56
    Take a chance if there is

    I did not poke you. Respect your interlocutor.
  • Lamata 5 February 2020 18: 20 New
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    The modern political and business elites of Ukraine and Belarus simply do not want unification.
  • parusnik 5 February 2020 19: 06 New
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    Is there a chance for the unification of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine:
    ... There is, "with iron and blood" .... The CIS, the Union of Russia and Belarus have already peacefully united .. and somehow it doesn’t ... and it doesn’t matter who is in power ... the economic formation is one ...
    1. GenNick 5 February 2020 22: 37 New
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      There is only one economic formation, but our flags (we have the old regime) are different ...
  • sevryuk 5 February 2020 19: 25 New
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    Which association? - reunion! Which Russia and Belarus? - BRSFSR and bBSSR! Recognition of Belovezhskaya Pushcha as a criminal act, proclamation of the USSR as existing, conducting new negotiations on secession from the Union with all 15 republics.
  • GenNick 5 February 2020 20: 06 New
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    Man, what do we have, what are we afraid of losing? laughing

    a bunch of structures will lose their jobs. The entire power vertical will be reformatted. even the Foreign Ministry will not be needed. Therefore, I understand the employee of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Belarus, who will drown for independence

    Well, in the cities and villages of Belarus, palitsai ... Zibyshite ....
    1. Goscha 6 February 2020 02: 05 New
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      Yes, somehow not very ...
  • svoit 5 February 2020 20: 15 New
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    Quote: Pavel73
    Alas, after "Muscovites - to the knives!" our brotherhood is over.

    Well, we never were Bandera brothers, and the rest - our people - Russian
  • GenNick 5 February 2020 20: 15 New
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    Quote: Ros 56
    Pavel is seventy-third, we are not talking about banderlogs, Givi is also from there, and there are many different people there, you don’t have to pile everyone up. My friend (German) uncle (German) during the Second World War fought a fighter pilot and that .....

    German friend? Mouth Front? And the uncle a fascist pilot, not the one that my grandmother’s house burned down?
    Yes, I understand you, there was no need for the Soviets to attack the fascist / German. Look, and everyone would drink Bovarian beer before the Urals ... There can be no peace without biir ...
  • Vladimir Mashkov 5 February 2020 20: 36 New
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    So he came the moment of truth: further SO can not continue! Lukashenko SHOULD stop tyrannizing, shitting on the sly of Russia, agree to the close Union he proposed and begin to truly and fraternally cooperate. Otherwise, he goes into the category of enemies of Russia. He will be able to pacify his own ambitions and pride - it will be good for Belarusians and him. No - the long bloody path will begin, which will lead him and the country and the people to collapse.
    1. GenNick 5 February 2020 22: 31 New
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      ,, ... scary, already scary ... ''
  • Felix Chuykov 5 February 2020 20: 50 New
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    Tristada

    "Make peace, make peace and don't fight anymore!" -
    Do you really think maybe?
    Guarantors that got carried away by the war,
    Wash off to look like a cake?

    And sweet friendship Tula samovar
    Under the boot, the bellies are inflated,
    And a ramshackle legal nightmare
    Will he give birth to a dead soldier?

    This is not solved by the three of us.
    Such a union can only be done by nations! ..
    The Soviet system blocked the doorway -
    And we forgot where we came from.

    Felix Chuykov

    05 February 2020 year