“I will not give evidence”: Strelkov about the trial in case MH17


The investigation into the case of the Malaysian Boeing, shot down over the Donbass in July 2014, indicted four citizens. According to Dutch investigators, three citizens of the Russian Federation and one of Ukraine are directly responsible for the strike on the plane.


Recall that the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was shot down on July 17, 2014 near the village of Grabovo, in the vicinity of Torez. Killed 298 people on board the aircraft. The Netherlands began to investigate the incident, although the plane belonged to Malaysia and the leadership of this country more than once expressed its disagreement with the course of the investigative actions.

A citizen of Ukraine Leonid Kharchenko, known as the mole, during the events described commanded the intelligence units of the DPR.

Oleg Pulatov is called a former employee of the GRU of the Russian Federation, who was dismissed from service with the rank of lieutenant colonel and in 2014 ended up in the DPR in the status of deputy chief of counterintelligence.

According to investigators, Sergey Dubinsky was the head of counterintelligence in the DPR, and before that he was a member of the Russian Armed Forces, where he rose to the rank of major general.

Igor Girkin, aka Strelkov, needs no introduction. In July 2014, he served as Minister of Defense of the Donetsk People’s Republic, which means that, according to the investigation, a priori was in the know about such an event as the death of the Boeing.

All four suspects are put on the international wanted list by the Netherlands. This makes them automatically restricted to travel to most countries that maintain relevant relations with the European Union. However, it is unlikely that former Russian military and Ukrainian militias would be planning to visit European countries or the states that cooperate with them in other parts of the world.


Dutch justice is going to stretch the process of the alleged perpetrators of the tragedy for 25 weeks. The first hearing will be held on March 9, 2020, and the last is scheduled for March 26, 2021.

Unlike the first three defendants in the MH17 case, Igor Girkin is a public figure. He does not think of hiding anywhere, he actively participates in Russian political life and regularly gives comments to the press. The current situation was no exception.

I don’t acknowledge the charges against me and I don’t admit that these people are entitled to charge me,

- Igor Girkin declared to employees of the agency "Interfax».

In addition, Strelkov emphasized that he was not going to testify in the Boeing case, even if they tried to bring him to a Dutch court by force.

In principle, nothing else was expected of him. As you know, the investigation of the circumstances of the Boeing disaster in the sky over the Donbass took place with numerous violations. For unknown reasons, interference was being built on the Russian side, and representatives of Malaysia were not allowed to be investigated. Although it is precisely the Malaysian side that is most interested in an objective investigation - the plane was Malaysian!

True, there are concerns about the possible future of Igor Girkin - Strelkov. As you know, after returning from the Donbass Strelkov did not stop active political activity. Moreover, he was in the ranks of the patriotic opposition and quite sharply assesses the policies of Russian President Vladimir Putin and his entourage. Therefore, it is possible that the Russian state will not be especially “harnessed” for the person who now takes a very radical position with respect to the Kremlin. So radical that it speaks of the approach of the "All-Russian Troubles."
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  1. svp67 4 February 2020 19: 14 New
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    Therefore, it is possible that the Russian state will not be especially “harnessed” for the person who now takes a very radical position with respect to the Kremlin.
    "No man - no problem"
    1. Odysseus 4 February 2020 19: 25 New
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      No. Kill Strelkov- run into accusations that Russia hides everything and cleans the tracks. Give-out precedent, so tomorrow they will give out any official.
      He, of course, is extremely inconvenient to the authorities, but they will not touch him. Just cut off any access to money and information resources.
      1. svp67 4 February 2020 19: 27 New
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        Quote: Odyssey
        Give-out precedent, so tomorrow they will give out any official.

        The current Constitution prohibits extraditing a Russian citizen. Now, if only now they will make some changes to this article ... (((
        1. Odysseus 4 February 2020 19: 32 New
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          Quote: svp67
          The current Constitution prohibits extraditing a Russian citizen. Now, if only now they will make some changes to this article ... (((

          You're right. Prohibits. But you know how we deal with the Constitution)) So, I think, the point here is political expediency, and not the Constitution.
          Quote: svp67
          Now, if only now they will make some changes to this article ... (((

          So far, no changes are planned here.
          1. svp67 4 February 2020 19: 37 New
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            Quote: Odyssey
            So far, no changes are planned here.

            For now, the keyword is bye. Although I also think that it is unlikely that if they decided to abandon the principle that international law is more important than national law, then they certainly won’t do that. But here is the fact that when changing the President, such a “court” can be arranged on our territory, alas, I completely admit. So, I am honestly surprised that out of four people, only one has decided now to argue with Dutch justice. All the same, one could even understand what kind of evidence they have and, if there is the slightest doubt, protest it. And so, maybe it will be a “one-goal game”
            1. New Year day 4 February 2020 19: 46 New
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              Quote: svp67
              only one now decided to argue with Dutch justice. All the same, one could even understand what kind of evidence they have and, if there is the slightest doubt, protest it. And so, maybe it will be a “one-goal game”

              so in the defenders of one mixed law team of 3 people: 2 Dutch and 1 Russian. If you ignore it, it will be exactly "one gate". Where are our famous Rezniki, Kucheren?
              1. svp67 4 February 2020 19: 49 New
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                Quote: Silvestr
                so in the defenders of one mixed law team of 3 people: 2 Dutch and 1 Russian.

                And this ONE, feminine, ONE ...
                1. New Year day 4 February 2020 19: 53 New
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                  Quote: svp67
                  And this ONE, feminine, ONE ...

                  Ugh, it's about a lawyer
                  1. Range 4 February 2020 23: 20 New
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                    And why are they among the accused of such personalities as Karabas-Barabas, Tokba Bazilio and Barmaleya? Or do they (the Dutch "trackers", or rather the Netherlands) don’t give up their?
              2. 210ox 5 February 2020 00: 08 New
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                These lawyers protect those who have money, where there is a hype and you can PR.
                1. New Year day 5 February 2020 00: 10 New
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                  Quote: 210ox
                  These lawyers protect those who have money, where there is a hype and you can PR.

                  and where without money, Dmitry! On such matters both money is made and the name
              3. cradle 5 February 2020 02: 25 New
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                Rezniki and Kuchereny would participate on the part of the prosecution - give them free rein.
                1. svan26 5 February 2020 09: 51 New
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                  Quote: besik
                  Rezniki and Kuchereny would participate on the part of the prosecution - give them free rein.

                  They are specialists in Russian criminal law. There is different legislation ...
              4. aleks26 5 February 2020 11: 54 New
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                Quote: Silvestr
                Where are our famous Rezniki, Kucheren?

                So they have a narrow specialization - they protect only oligarchs and bandits.
              5. glasha3032 5 February 2020 13: 38 New
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                "Gazprom" is also hoping for the Stockholm court, the most fair court in the world ....
            2. Alex Nevs 4 February 2020 20: 21 New
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              What is the base? Pink, and EVERYTHING!
            3. businessv 4 February 2020 23: 47 New
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              Quote: svp67
              All the same, one could even understand what kind of evidence they have and, if there is the slightest doubt, protest it.

              Anyone who pretends to be a lawyer for any of the accused can do this - a request is made to familiarize themselves with the case, only this will not do anything because within 25 weeks they can change the tactics of the prosecution as many times. The process is clearly custom-made, nothing sensible of it can turn out by definition, so any attempts to return common sense to everything related to MH-17 are doomed to failure. The only way out - after all this circus, Malaysia returns everything that belongs to her and conducts an independent investigation.
          2. Svetlana 4 February 2020 20: 37 New
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            >>>> But you know how we deal with the Constitution))

            How? I dont know. Tell me.
          3. Nyrobsky 4 February 2020 20: 42 New
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            Quote: Odyssey
            Quote: svp67
            The current Constitution prohibits extraditing a Russian citizen. Now, if only now they will make some changes to this article ... (((

            You're right. Prohibits. But you know how we deal with the Constitution)) So, I think, the point here is political expediency, and not the Constitution.
            Quote: svp67
            Now, if only now they will make some changes to this article ... (((

            So far, no changes are planned here.

            If Russia extradits Girkin, then it will automatically recognize its involvement, and therefore the legitimacy of the extradition request. So it is unlikely that the Kremlin will go for it just for the sake of the fact that Girkin is in the political opposition. He does not have that volume of popular support that would pose a real threat to the Kremlin. But nevermind to show the Dutch court because there is no evidence.
          4. Sergey79 5 February 2020 22: 51 New
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            So with the Federal Law as well ... As a drawbar, it happened .... Dear, knowledgeable, comrades! Tell me, what does it mean to freeze the provisions of the law ?! Is he a piece of meat? Maybe a berry, or mushrooms ...
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          1. lis-ik 4 February 2020 21: 21 New
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            Quote: Zoro
            Everyone will tell the bastards.

            Meehan !?
            1. 210ox 5 February 2020 00: 10 New
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              Zelia, give the Giblets to Vitali .. wassat
        3. ccsr 4 February 2020 20: 04 New
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          Quote: svp67
          The current Constitution prohibits extraditing a Russian citizen. Now, if only now they will make some changes to this article.

          In this situation, the question is not even that, but that the Dutch investigation did not show us the full materials of the whole case so that our law enforcement agencies could familiarize themselves with them and understand what is being presented to our citizen. And after that it will be possible to solve the issue of extradition of a citizen or his conviction by our court if he committed a crime outside our territory, and this is proved by the materials of the investigation. But we, it seems to me, will never be presented with the materials of the case, because as soon as our specialists get it in our hands, the whole case may fall apart. That is why the Dutch authorities deliberately took this path, in order to later accuse Russia of interfering with justice without extraditing its people, and they would accuse them of this crime in absentia.
        4. Azis 4 February 2020 20: 30 New
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          1. They may not give him away, but simply strangers will come and take him away. 2. He somehow will not be a Russian (such as citizenship obtained with violations). 3. They will be detained in Russia at the request of stoned tulips, on-line participation in the court, then using the evidence of a foreign party, the court in Russia, etc.
          1. Lipchanin 4 February 2020 21: 29 New
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            Quote: Azis
            1. They may not give him away, but simply strangers will come and take him away.

            Aha. We have a courtyard here
            They will be detained in Russia at the request of stoned tulips, on-line participation in the court, then using the evidence of a foreign party, the court in Russia, etc.

            Do you at least respect your country?
            1. Azis 5 February 2020 05: 41 New
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              I respect the country, but in this matter - politics. They say that it was necessary to respect the country
            2. romaniron 5 February 2020 09: 03 New
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              We respect the country, but after the Budanov case, the nasty sediment remained ...
              1. Lipchanin 5 February 2020 09: 12 New
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                Quote: romaniron
                but after the Budanov case

                Should Budanov be taken under state protection?
                On what basis?
                In Germany, the Czech failed.
                The other day in France.
                No thoughts?
          2. Den717 5 February 2020 06: 55 New
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            Detained in Russia at the request of stoned tulips

            For detention we need good reason to request and the decision of our court to determine a preventive measure. And what do the Dutch have for this? So far, apart from words, they do not show zeal in proving their accusations.
        5. Lamata 4 February 2020 21: 50 New
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          and they will arrest him as part of a case and an international wanted list and then bring him to Holland for interrogation, and that’s all)))) they didn’t give him away, but the Dutch bastards let him go backwards)))) Zakharova will express concern.
          1. Tochilka 4 February 2020 21: 57 New
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            And spit and tweet
        6. Vlad.by 4 February 2020 23: 11 New
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          If they bring it in, then only towards the priority of the laws of the Russian Federation over all the others. So no one Strelkova will not pass. And he is not such a critic of Putin’s policies, because he’s a patriot. He has eyes and brains too. And he criticizes - mainly in the case. In a subject that knows.
          But there is a subtlety - it can be seen from above. And wider. Critics of the local “experts” do not know much and do not even suppose, and Strelkov is also limited in information. Therefore, some decisions and actions of Putin and the government are sometimes paradoxical and harm as if not in the subject. And then, over time, it turns out that it was a multi-step. As with the same repurchase of shares in our enterprises. First they were dropped, they were forced by the "investors" to drop them, and then they were bought back, but already into the hands of the state and into Russian hands.
        7. Chaldon48 5 February 2020 04: 36 New
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          If they deem it necessary to issue, they will issue and everything will be "correctly" arranged from the point of law.
      2. Aviator_ 4 February 2020 19: 33 New
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        And he had them - these resources?
    2. Sergey Averchenkov 4 February 2020 19: 26 New
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      Will you kill him? Have you ever been killed in your life? Or just bother here?
      1. svp67 4 February 2020 19: 29 New
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        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        Will you kill him? Have you ever been killed in your life?

        Are you so interested? Yes, I had to shoot people. Is your curiosity satisfied?
        1. Sergey Averchenkov 4 February 2020 19: 31 New
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          Well, then I made a mistake in you. Satisfied.
        2. Machito 4 February 2020 20: 21 New
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          It’s very hard to shoot people. They hide, shoot back.
    3. 1959ain 4 February 2020 19: 38 New
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      Quote: svp67
      "No man - no problem"

      What do you think bang
      1. Chervonny 4 February 2020 19: 47 New
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        Nobody bangs anyone. And even such thoughts most likely were not. Can you imagine what the noise will be! Louder than a traitor's creak.
        1. svp67 4 February 2020 19: 52 New
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          Can you imagine what the noise will be!

          Yes, I can imagine ... But in life everything happens. Icicle fell on his head, the car on the ice could not slow down ... there are many situations.
    4. mister-red 4 February 2020 19: 58 New
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      In quotation marks is a quote. Knowledge test - who said that?
      1. GKS 2111 4 February 2020 20: 18 New
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        a recording of Stalin’s conversation in August 1950 with two security generals, A. M. Lavrov and A. M. Dzhugoy (Lieutenant General, Deputy Lavrov).

        Jugha: No Tito is a renegade, he was never a communist. He is an ordinary agent of British intelligence, sent at one time into the communist movement for a long settlement. Yes, and by nationality he is not a Serb. No wonder he was so friendly throughout the war with the main resident of British intelligence in the Balkans, Churchill's son Randolph Churchill, with whom he even lived in the same tent.

        Stalin. Do you have a specific proposal on how to neutralize Tito?

        Jugha. I don’t understand why we have been ceremony for so long with this bastard Tito, with this “communist”. His fingers are studded with precious diamond rings and he changes clothes dozens of times a day in the most expensive costumes. Tito climbed to live on a small island in the Mediterranean Sea - Brioni. He built a chic palace there with the money of the begging Yugoslav people. One bomber without identification marks from the territory of Albania - and there is neither a palace nor an American-English agent Tito. There is a person - there is a problem, there is no person - there is no problem.

        Stalin. Remember once and for all: we are not adventurers. From your proposal for a mile away gives SRs. There will be no Tito, there will be another in his place. Individual terror is not an option.
      2. Rebus 4 February 2020 21: 06 New
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        This saying was invented by the writer Anatoly Rybakov, which he repeatedly admitted.
    5. Doctor 4 February 2020 20: 35 New
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      "No man - no problem"

      Calculation of the "Buk" too?
    6. Tank jacket 4 February 2020 21: 16 New
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      Sergey, all this Brexit, Brexit, Brexit ... Focus with distraction of the crowd from the main event ...
    7. madsollo 5 February 2020 08: 08 New
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      That's just the point - if Strelkova suddenly doesn’t (God forbid), problems like a snowball will start growing!
  2. _Ugene_ 4 February 2020 19: 16 New
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    So radical that it speaks of the approach of the "All-Russian Troubles."
    I believe that any person who wants “all-Russian troubles” definitely does not want good for the country, but wants to catch nishtyaks for himself in this troubled troubles, and he doesn’t give a damn about people
    1. Campanella 4 February 2020 19: 27 New
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      Do not confuse what you want with reality.
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        ok, don't confuse
    2. Odysseus 4 February 2020 19: 29 New
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      Quote: _Ugene_
      I believe that any person who wants “all-Russian troubles” definitely does not want good for the country, but wants to catch nishtyaks for himself in this troubled troubles, and he doesn’t give a damn about people

      I am not a fan of Strelkov’s political views, but I am forced to stand up for him, for it is a sin to deceive. He does not want all-Russian confusion, he says that it is inevitable, and the current authorities lead to it. These are completely different things.
      1. _Ugene_ 4 February 2020 19: 30 New
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        for example, I don’t think so, but those who think so give out the desired for the valid, that's about it was my post
      2. saturn.mmm 4 February 2020 19: 42 New
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        Quote: Odyssey
        He does not want all-Russian confusion, he says that it is inevitable, and the current authorities lead to it. These are completely different things.

        When a person says that turmoil is inevitable, he provokes it. It was my opinion that Strelkov is trying to enter the corridors of power through a window.
        1. Gardamir 4 February 2020 21: 04 New
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          that unrest is inevitable, it provokes it
          night is inevitable ...
          do you think I provoked nightfall?
          1. Golovan Jack 4 February 2020 21: 20 New
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            Quote: Gardamir
            night is inevitable ... do you think I provoked nightfall?

            Death is inevitable ... do you think I extended your life? wink
            1. Den717 5 February 2020 07: 03 New
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Death is inevitable ... do you think I extended your life?

              The statement of the fact, the physiological law of nature is priceless and cannot make changes to these laws. Mention of the inevitability of death can neither bring it closer nor alienate it. Mention of a possible unrest can not be regarded as an appeal to her.
              1. Golovan Jack 5 February 2020 07: 14 New
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                Quote: Den717
                Mention of the inevitability of death can neither bring it closer nor alienate

                If you repeat this constantly, from minute to minute and with expression - you can quite imagine. Suggestion. Psychology.

                Quote: Den717
                The mention of a possible unrest can not be regarded as a call to her

                The word "mention" does not fit well with the systemic "nagging on the topic." In this case, the word "agitation" is more appropriate.

                Even to argue laziness, so everything is obvious and lies on the surface.
            2. Gardamir 6 February 2020 06: 31 New
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              Your statement concerns only you.
              So be it!
              Why not!
          2. saturn.mmm 6 February 2020 06: 21 New
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            Quote: Gardamir
            night is inevitable ...
            do you think I provoked nightfall?

            Do you happen to confuse white with fluffy ?. If no one ever says about the night it will come anyway, and if no one will talk about the trouble, then it will not come, since this is a social factor and not the laws of the universe.
        2. Dmitry Bolotsky 5 February 2020 16: 36 New
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          Yes Yes. If I say that spring is coming, I provoke it.
      3. Sergey Averchenkov 4 February 2020 19: 53 New
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        That is exactly what I meant.
  3. Alexga 4 February 2020 19: 25 New
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    Are there really people who can take this circus seriously ?!
    1. Crystal of Truth 4 February 2020 19: 33 New
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      The circus was with us .. So Su Mig something else ..
      And there everything is serious
      1. Alexga 4 February 2020 19: 45 New
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        And there everything is serious

        And the answer is, how was this JMA able to find and get target designation without CP and SOC ???
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 20: 08 New
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          And the answer is, how was this JMA able to find and get target designation without CP and SOC ???
          Using the built-in 9C35 radar, which has a target search mode when operating the self-propelled guns in stand-alone (i.e., outside the complex) mode.
          1. svp67 4 February 2020 20: 20 New
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            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            Using the built-in 9C35 radar, which has a target search mode when operating the self-propelled guns in stand-alone (i.e., outside the complex) mode.

            Taking into account the fact that the German RER plane was working at that moment in this area and NO ZASEK was working, he was definitely on the line of its work. The Germans reported on the operation of the guidance station complex S-125
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 20: 25 New
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              This is some regular Spanish dispatcher.
              1. svp67 4 February 2020 20: 32 New
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                Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                This is some regular Spanish dispatcher.

                The Bundeswehr was reporting to its parliament about this situation ... So what if your right to believe or not
                1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 20: 37 New
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                  Googled. This is some incomprehensible Kert Mayer told the media on the basis of what is unknown. "Spanish dispatcher", as was said.
          2. Alexga 4 February 2020 20: 57 New
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            With viewing capabilities in azimuth of 45 degrees and in-place of 70 degrees? So dispatchers knew where the JMA is located and its orientation. and specially brought the board onto it. Fantasy.
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 21: 00 New
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              Probably, the developers of the JMA were not fools and did not attach a radar to it, which can only bring down a target specially designed for it. Soviet engineering school after all.
              1. Alexga 4 February 2020 21: 36 New
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                This is embedded in the tactics of using the complex, when the JMA can appoint control sectors. But in practice, both the command post and the SOC are used for shooting. Yes, and attract altimeter with interrogator. So more reliable.
                1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 21: 41 New
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                  It’s laid down in the tactics of use - that means that nothing prevents the use of self-propelled guns in an autonomous mode, together with its capable of searching for radar targets for their intended purpose. And ideas about the reliability and feasibility of different people can be different.
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          Quote: AlexGa
          And the answer is, how was this JMA able to find and get target designation without CP and SOC ???

          And whom are "such little things" TAM interested in ...
          1. Alexga 4 February 2020 20: 58 New
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            So I say that this is a circus.
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        4. Yuri Simple 5 February 2020 23: 04 New
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          And this, in relation to Strelkov, is absolutely no difference. This cannot make him accused. A written or oral order to bring down the aircraft is required. Only in this case, it is possible to talk about his fault with a certain stretch. Something I doubt (if you accept the version that de he is guilty), which is generally provable in principle. Even if we assume that the militia shot down the plane, it is doubtful that they had orders to shoot down civilian liners.
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        Quote: Crystal of Truth
        The circus was with us .. So Su Mig something else ..
        And there everything is serious

        A circus is what you believe the USA. The concept of "fake news" appeared only in mid-2016, but since then it has already firmly entered political discourse, journalistic everyday life, and even academic dictionaries. It all started with Macedonian teenagers who decided to make money on the Internet. In the summer of 2016, the editor of the Buzzfeed news site, Craig Silverman, noticed a stream of funny and completely finger-sucked stories coming from the Macedonian city of Veles. The journalist and his colleagues began to understand this story and found more than 140 completely fake sites with a huge number of Facebook followers. And then we were dragged into Russia that we chose Trump. https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-42875035
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 20: 14 New
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          Quote: 1959ain
          The concept of "fake news" appeared only in mid-2016
          This does not mean that until 2016 no one knew how to lie on TV.
          1. 1959ain 4 February 2020 20: 15 New
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            But the US says that Russia chose the trump
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            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            This does not mean that until 2016 no one knew how to lie on TV.

            The USA can calmly expose us, they say that their satellites see all missile launches. And where are these pictures, one photoshop from social networks, especially not their Ukrainian. They even caught Girkin, the head of the air defense, brought to Kiev and then released, why didn’t they attract his head of the DPR air defense, who was in Slavyansk?
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 20: 22 New
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              If they show you satellite imagery, what would it hurt you to say that this is Photoshop?
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                Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                If they show you satellite imagery, what would it hurt you to say that this is Photoshop?

                There are specialists who will sign you everything by carefully considering such pictures. real or not. Moreover, now there are a lot of computer programs for such an analysis
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                  As is the case with photos from social networks, there are experts for every taste. Some will say that the photos are reliable (including JIT forensics), others that are fake. So the publication of satellite images will not convince anyone. Is it worth it in that case?
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                    So the publication of satellite images will not convince anyone. Is it worth it in that case?

                    Actually, it’s not only worth it, MANDATORY !!!! The investigation team is required prove the guilt of specific individuals, and the court must verify this evidence and its admissibility
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                      Satellite images belong to the U.S. intelligence and they, in fact, just do not have to publish them - this is secret intelligence, declassification can harm the capabilities of their intelligence (give satellite characteristics, for example).
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                        I'm not talking about specific pictures.
                        But even in this case, the investigation will have the opportunity to turn to the United States - there is ...
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                        DSB commission that held technical an investigation under the auspices of ICAO, appealed, and she was shown on condition of non-disclosure of state secrets. If they turn to the court, they will probably also be shown - although the court may refer to the findings of an official ICAO investigation (where the launch site is indicated) as an established fact.

                        Against the ICAO investigation, in general, it will be quite difficult to go; this is not just a set of investigation materials, but a legitimate international document. Russia is now building its position on the principle of "where is your evidence?" As far as the launch site of the rocket is concerned (including what is said about Zaroschensky), there is the answer "here is the technical investigation under the auspices of ICAO, there is definitely the launch site. We are not dealing with the technical, but the criminal part, regarding the technical for ICAO all the questions. "
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              Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
              If they show you satellite imagery, what would it hurt you to say that this is Photoshop?

              But these Photoshop themselves were caught from social networks and passed off as evidence
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    Are there really people who can take this circus seriously ?!

    we don’t know what the consequences of this circus will be? Therefore, it must be taken very seriously
    1. Alexga 4 February 2020 19: 57 New
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      we don’t know what the consequences of this circus will be?

      Like the Skripaly. No need to go to school!
      1. New Year day 4 February 2020 20: 00 New
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        Quote: AlexGa
        Like the Skripals

        may prove that following the results of the Skripals, they will turn out to be a childish prank
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          Well, a self-propelled fire system cannot shoot independently in those conditions. It can’t come from a word at all.
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            Well, a self-propelled fire system cannot shoot independently in those conditions. It can’t come from a word at all.

            undoubtedly!
      2. Crystal of Truth 4 February 2020 20: 15 New
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        Do you mean Simonyan’s interview? Yes, there was a circus
  • Nonna 4 February 2020 19: 28 New
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    I would like a direct quote from I. Girkin about the "approaching turmoil." In general, people in Russia say what they want. Words can not be attached to the Malaysian case
  • Grandfather Crimea 4 February 2020 19: 30 New
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    It’s a muddy type and faded from Donetsk on time. You have to be really headless or have a sleeve instead to arrive at the trial)))))
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      Quote: Grandfather Crimea
      It’s a muddy type and faded from Donetsk on time.

      I talked with the fighters, those who were with Strelkov ... not a single bad thing was said. for him was a mountain.
  • Same lech 4 February 2020 19: 32 New
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    Amazingly ... the Netherlands accused three counterintelligence officers and the FSB officer ... it is unclear which side they can be pulled to the rocket launchers ... the Dutch logic is incomprehensible to the mind ... they blew up too much.
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      Amazingly ... the Netherlands accused three counterintelligence officers and the FSB officer ... it is unclear which side they can be pulled to the rocket launchers ... the Dutch logic is incomprehensible to the mind ... they blew up too much.


      We have in the air defense at the consoles no lower than the FSB Major are sitting. Not FSB officers only trust reloading.
    2. New Year day 4 February 2020 19: 52 New
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      The Netherlands accused three counterintelligence officers and the FSB officer ... it is unclear which side they can be pulled to missile launchers ...

      on this Boeing there is a whole site, came across at night. The site is mixed and there are a lot of calculations both on Boeing and on LDNR with film and photo documents. The so-called comrades are accused of delivering Buk to the territory of LDNR. The calculation is not specified in the family name, but I think it will be called.
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        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: The same Lech
        The Netherlands accused three counterintelligence officers and the FSB officer ... it is unclear which side they can be pulled to missile launchers ...

        on this Boeing there is a whole site, came across at night. The site is mixed and there are a lot of calculations both on Boeing and on LDNR with film and photo documents. The so-called comrades are accused of delivering Buk to the territory of LDNR. The calculation is not specified in the family name, but I think it will be called.

        And how are these comrades Ukrainian rocket in that BUK charged there is not written?
        There is a number of missiles that hit Boeing, the Dutch themselves lit it. How will they get out of this ???
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        Quote: Silvestr
        So-called comrades are accused of delivery Buka on the territory of LDNR. The calculation is not specified in the family name, but I think it will be called.

        Based on this logic, in all the killings on earth from a gunshot, the weapon manufacturers are to blame exclusively ....

        Guilty is always the face - which committed the crime.
        In this situation ( for the Netherlands and the country 404) - this should be the calculation and the installation commander. They are "type shot down" ....
        And if this rule is for Holland does not work - then everything else is already uninteresting ...
        This is then not the COURT, but just a bunch of stupid not legitimate ..
        Then by their logic - we can say with good conscience that he made and delivered the Beeches of the USSR. And let the manufacturers sue the USSR and then factories fool fool
        1. Yuri Simple 5 February 2020 23: 17 New
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          there should be a calculation and the installation commander. They are "type shot down" .... As well as the commander who ordered the downing of civilian aircraft. The fact that the accused are somehow involved in the delivery of Buk (if any) did not make them criminals. In fact, in this case, they delivered a means of protection (if delivered) from attacks by enemy aircraft. They could not know how and why this remedy could be used yet. And in any case, the insurgents had every right to bullet everything that they have at hand, all flying in the sky. They do not have to make out what is flying there. There are military operations, what kind of disassembly in FIG? Rebels could check a military or civilian aircraft? Obviously not. Did air raids take place? Had. I would be on the site of the rebels would shoot at everything that moves in the sky.
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      Their thoughts turned pink. I guess to jump too.
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  • Tank jacket 4 February 2020 19: 33 New
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    If Girkin was smart, then he wouldn’t shine ... And the Western intelligence agencies that made the new Glyivits and the Boeing will have a new Nuremberg after the new Yalta ...
    1. Lipchanin 4 February 2020 20: 29 New
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      If Girkin was smart, he wouldn’t

      And with what fright should he hide?
      1. Tank jacket 4 February 2020 20: 34 New
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        Have you heard about Snowden for a long time? That's right, because Snowden is thinking ... US intelligence agencies are working.
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          The sizes are different.
          And no special service of the puddle will pull him out of here
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            But they can’t kill and blame the Russian Federation for allegedly remarking on the tracks?
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              But they can’t kill and blame the Russian Federation for allegedly remarking on the tracks?

              Can not!
              Maybe in the 90s they could. Our special services are not the same.
              Do you think it's so easy to come and kill? A homeless person can be caught somewhere. The person whom they are observing, and now they are already observing, no special service will take.
              They won’t send a company of killers.
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          Yes, he actually recently released a book and walks around Moscow. By the way, read a lot of interesting things.
      2. Tank jacket 4 February 2020 21: 13 New
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        Lipchanin, and you noticed how cleverly InosMI are taking us away from Brexit, the main theme? Either the coronovirus, then the scandal in the royal family, then MH17, then the terrorist with a machete in London, they will soon get Skripal out of the garbage and shake them again ...
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          Quote: Tank jacket
          Lipchanin, and you noticed how cleverly InosMI are taking us away from Brexit, the main theme?

          I have a deep brexit ... pump them up
  • svoit 4 February 2020 19: 36 New
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    For unknown reasons, interference was being built on the Russian side, and representatives of Malaysia were not allowed to enter the investigation.

    Well, "someone else's soul-darkness", but about the interference with the Russian side, I would read in more detail, and have Malaysia been expelled from the JIT group long ago? Or how else are their representatives not allowed? I would like more specifics
    So radical that it speaks of the approach of the "All-Russian Troubles."

    That is, reveals someone's plans? "He who is forewarned is armed"
    1. Lipchanin 4 February 2020 20: 30 New
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      Or how else are their representatives not allowed? I would like more specifics

      It seems this morning in detail about this was.
      Search
  • Ravil_Asnafovich 4 February 2020 19: 41 New
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    Yeah, give out? Serbs Milosevic were given what they received.
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      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      Yeah, give out? Serbs Milosevic were given what they received.

      to give out for the fact that Slavyansk passed so stupidly, there are so many industrial enterprises, especially chemical ones, where explosives can be made, and he whined that he had mines without fuses
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        Quote: 1959ain
        to give out for the fact that Slavyansk passed so stupidly,

        and you, I suspect, were there? such an ugly thing ... and the preparation is probably appropriate ...
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          He is not a real Colonel Girkin, he had to be tied up and expelled from Donetsk so that he wouldn’t surrender Donetsk, but the simple hard worker Zakharcheko defended Givi
      2. New Year day 4 February 2020 20: 03 New
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        Quote: 1959ain
        ... stupidly surrendered Slavyansk,

        I guess you were next to him ...
        Girkin-Aksenov: “If there is no large-scale assistance in the near future, then they will crush us. If the issue with Russian help is not resolved, with air cover at least, with the support of artillery, then we will not be able to keep the southeast. We need anti-tank artillery, we need tanks, we need normal air defense. We can’t get by with PZR, and all this is necessary with specialists who are already ready. We will no longer have time to cook them ... "
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          We will no longer have time to cook them ... "


          The experts were not the same ... the wrong plane was shot down ...

          No one expected such a setup from dill dispatchers who sent a civilian board to the area where the BUK installation was located?
          Hoping they won’t shoot at the Su-25, as the civilian side flies higher?
          Such specialists, such a civil war ...
  • Prisoner 4 February 2020 19: 45 New
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    “Moreover, he ended up in the ranks of the patriotic opposition and rather sharply assesses the policies of Russian President Vladimir Putin and his entourage. Therefore, it is possible that the Russian state will not be particularly“ harnessed ”to the person who now takes a very radical stance towards the Kremlin ..." (with) no The author of the article .., to put it mildly, a very spoiled person. The word is not a sparrow, but how then will it be otmazyvatsya from its "predictions"?
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      Here, in my opinion, the majority do not really have an attitude towards the Kremlin.
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        The fact that the Kremlin is not guilty is largely to blame. But this is not a reason to put forward, to put it mildly, strange assumptions that this very Kremlin will hand over a citizen of the Russian Federation to the so-called judges only to the extent that he is in opposition to the authorities.
  • demo 4 February 2020 20: 02 New
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    Any participation in such a “trial” gives it (“trial”) legitimacy.
    Strelkov’s refusal is both his right and his position.
    It doesn’t matter to me what he’s like in life, but it’s important to me that a citizen of the Russian Federation will be tried by a bunch of engaged villains, where all roles, including those who will be found guilty, are pre-scheduled and approved.
    But the fact that Strelkov after the well-known events ended up in the camp of opponents of the Kremlin and the authorities - this leads to certain thoughts.
    It’s probably not about Strelkov.
  • Alex Nevs 4 February 2020 20: 25 New
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    To whom? But who are they? Well, if the mansions and savings are hidden, I'm afraid ...
  • 113262a 4 February 2020 20: 38 New
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    Mmmmm-Yes! Gentlemen, you are animals !!! Recall how in the spring of '14, all of Russia and we here in LDN with bated breath watched every hour of the epic in Slavyansk, prayed for the success of the operation? How many young and not so people went to the front, inspired specifically by the riflemen. And how, in a few years, a box made the opposite of a hero’s image! And now you believe that a decently planned and implemented operation was a gamble of one person? The fact that she was crumpled and crossed out at once, spitting on the victims and real successes? But the logistics and cover system was built and debugged, the perspective was clearly traced. Shame on you gentlemen! Now you are delightfully discussing whether the Girkin system will crash or not. You have been told that it HAS ALREADY BEEN LAUNCHED, because now you can make a scapegoat out of a hero. Why am I trying to persuade you, the sofa has grown at the place of shame and conscience for a long time ... So what has grown has grown ...
    1. Yuri Simple 5 February 2020 23: 32 New
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      It's not about Strelkov. And not even in Slavensk. The fact is that the spontaneous discontent of the people of Donbass immediately began to saddle all kinds of fake "organizations." And do not understand why. It should be recognized that the strategy has completely gone bankrupt, and its authors are hiding behind Strelkov’s accusations. Their Westerners bred like small kittens, how many cheeks they did not puff. Now, thanks to these cheekbods, people are suffering, thousands of people have been killed, the elimination of truly popular leaders and leaders of the uprising has been allowed. In general - complete surkovschina.
      "Our" damn it, in Germany. Found a plaque fly, leader. Lavrov is also good (he disliked me) with his bleating. The French Foreign Ministry Minsk-2 wants to review. And Lavrov got a mouthful of water and pretended to be that way. Apparently it's time to develop a program of popular action in case of a review of Minsk and the next (which already in a row) concessions to partners.
  • Operator 4 February 2020 20: 43 New
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    Girkin: "I will not give evidence - just deliver me forcibly to Holland" laughing

    The Boeing was stopped by Oudinians who still haven’t provided audio recordings of the talks of their air traffic controllers and the flight logs of the Buk air defense missions in the corresponding air defense zone.

    From Russia, an extract from the accounting documents of the manufacturer was sent to the international investigation team, proving that the Buk air defense missile with the serial number, fragments of which were found in the area of ​​the aircraft crash, was placed in the air defense forces of the USSR Armed Forces deployed on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR .

    The international investigation team has no other verified material evidence - i.e. the charge on her part is taken from the ceiling.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 20: 57 New
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      But what about in this version the situation with the fact that according to the manufacturer’s documents the warhead 9N314M was installed on the rocket, and according to the full-scale experiment Almaz-Antey Boeing could not be shot down with the warhead 9N314M?
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        This is a question of the methodology for setting up the experiment (at the same time, international trackers wanted to spit on any Almaz-Antey experiments and did not attach them to the case).

        Veschdok (the murder weapon found at the crime scene) is the queen of evidence.
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          ... international trackers wanted to spit on any Almaz-Antey experiments and did not bring them to business ...

          maybe because the concern at a press conference on September 28, 2016 admitted that it blew up the rocket "still not so"? Exploding a rocket supposedly based on Dutch findings, in fact, took other conditions.
          In the dry residue:
          - Proving its version with the launch from Zaroshchensky, the concern confused the magnetic course with the direction to the geographic north, repeatedly changed the drift angle used in the calculations, changed the wind direction by 180 degrees and, apparently, used a calculation method in which the change in the initial data does not affect to the end result.
          - In preparing the first experiment, designed to confirm the version of launching a rocket from Zaroschensky, the concern mixed up the model of the aircraft (used Boeing-767 instead of Boeing-777), and at the same time exploded a missile warhead not in the azimuth of which it was publicly announced.
          - For the second experiment, designed to refute the version of the launch from Snezhnoye / Pervomaisky, the concern took preliminary and ultimately incorrect initial data, and even for them incorrectly positioned the exploding rocket in height relative to the target - the bow of the IL-86, which is fundamentally different from the Boeing-777.
          It is reported by Rambler. Next: https://news.rambler.ru/weapon/42518534/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
      2. Lipchanin 4 February 2020 21: 24 New
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        But what about in this version the situation with the fact that according to the manufacturer’s documents the warhead 9N314M was installed on the rocket, and according to the full-scale experiment Almaz-Antey Boeing could not be shot down with the warhead 9N314M?

        In general, the Dutch posted a photo of the rocket. By numbers and determined where this rocket
    2. Avior 4 February 2020 21: 57 New
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      In general, the transfer acceptance certificate was not shown, and it should be if the rocket was transferred to the unit, and not returned to the factory due to a defect or damage in transit or for some other reason
      And still have not confirmed that it was the missile that shot down the Boeing
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        In general, the transfer acceptance certificate was not shown, and it should be if the rocket was transferred to the unit, and not returned to the factory due to a defect or damage in transit or for some other reason
        And still have not confirmed that it was the missile that shot down the Boeing

        https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2018/09/18/77867-vosstanovlennomu-verit
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          this is a common mistake, they did not directly say that this is the rocket
          actually said something like this about the wreckage, which then showed
          JIT Group found that in this case we are talking about a 9M38 Buk missile system. At the moment, it is still impossible to assert with full confidence that both of these parts are parts of a missile launched by the Buk self-propelled air defense system belonging to the 53rd brigade.

          logically, of course, it is clear that these parts are connected with the case.
          But for some reason they still haven’t said it directly.
          Why dont know
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        The investigation claims that this is exactly the rocket.

        The manufacturing plant complies with the archiving rules: it stores accounting records more than 30 years ago, transfer acts - no.
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          Yes of course.
          Acts of reception - transmission - the main document confirming who, how and when transferred the rocket.
          Must be stored unambiguously.
          And probably somewhere there.
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            In this case, the main issue is documents that confirm that the engine that the Dutch presented was “attached” to the rocket which, according to the RF Ministry of Defense, went to Ukraine. And it is with this moment that the MO has big problems. The original of the magazine, according to which the engine with such then the numbers were on the rocket with such a number. A muddy "restored" copy with a bunch of errors and mistakes
    3. New Year day 4 February 2020 22: 30 New
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      The international investigation team has no other verified material evidence.

      The head of the international investigation team Fred Westerbeck: “We do not demonstrate absolutely everything that we have, because in this case we will“ reveal the cards ”to the other side. So far we are not going to do this. ”
      I believe that all the information is ahead, but what is the second question
  • iouris 4 February 2020 21: 17 New
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    What is the process of the “MN-17 case"? There is a war of extermination. The process of changing the political regime in the Russian Federation has been launched. In days Poland “won the history” of the Russian Federation, and today it’s Macron.
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      What Poland won there? The next decades, Poland will be forced to make excuses and pay Jews. Because she appropriated the property of the slain. The topic was not raised, but she herself ran into
  • Tank jacket 4 February 2020 22: 11 New
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    Quote: Tank jacket
    Lipchanin, and you noticed how cleverly InosMI are taking us away from Brexit, the main theme?

    I have a deep brexit ... pump them up

    But in vain, a full-fledged Brexit was planned after a coup in the Russian Federation, about which liberalists and Girkin dream, including , and so half-poker had to do half Brexit. Ireland, Scotland and Wales did not leave the EU. Learn the materiel.
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      What makes you think you didn’t come out? Britain is a single state, and withdrew from the EU as a whole.
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    Yes, I can imagine ... But in life everything happens. Icicle fell on his head, the car on the ice could not slow down ... there are many situations.

    Hinting at Lady Diana?
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    . So radical that it speaks of the approach of the "All-Russian Troubles."

    To say - does it now mean to take a radical position? Yes, and who is not talking about the approaching revolution? Although, I know one thing. Two weeks ago, three hours before the federal assembly, hesitated.
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    Quote: Silvestr
    all information ahead

    "Blessed is He Who Believes" (C)
  • svoit 4 February 2020 22: 55 New
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    And now you believe that a decently planned and implemented operation was a gamble of one person?

    I don’t know what you specifically mean, but if the outcome was from Crimea, then there was nothing there but a gamble :-(
    Perhaps there were pure thoughts, idealism, faith in Russia, but this will still not be enough for a “decently planned and implemented operation”; for this, planning should be based on something more tangible.
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  • Dmitry_24rus 4 February 2020 23: 17 New
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    Our position is the position of "terpils" always from below.
    Negotiations with Lukashenko are coming soon, as a result there will be crazy dumping on energy resources to “brothers-to-go-to-Belarus”. Lukashenko will come home and file a new lawsuit against Russia .. And we will pay again in silence ...
    To all fraternal and non-fraternal, we will pay the money in full. So far with us.
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      That's right: only Lukashenko is not the reason
  • L-39NG 4 February 2020 23: 43 New
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    Girkin, is this an employee of the FSB who were not there?
  • Tank jacket 4 February 2020 23: 46 New
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    What makes you think you didn’t come out? Britain is a single state, and withdrew from the EU as a whole.

    I will answer with your words: "The exit of Scotland and Northern Ireland is unlikely" i.e. Likely bully
  • However, dear 5 February 2020 00: 51 New
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    So, after 5 and a half years of investigation, the trial begins. I am sure that evidence and evidence have accumulated more than enough for so many years. It is felt that the Dutch are also confident in themselves, and therefore, give as much as 25 weeks with massive publicity and publication of the results of the investigation. The press, television and Internet resources will flood the world with information on this topic. For half a year. Something tells me that the accused will not appear for trial. And in this case there is no defense, and it is easier for the prosecution to act. Thus, by autumn at least 3 convictions will be passed, since one, it seems, will defend himself, and maybe his lawyers will save. What's next? And then 2 options. 1. Official Russia will say: "Go through the woods, all of you have Photoshop and witnesses bought, and your court is wrong." Then the convicted criminals will be put on the wanted list in Interpol, and some other sanctions will be imposed on Russia. Perhaps someday the Dutch special forces will kidnap one of the convicts and deliver them to Holland. Also, rejection of the conviction with massive publicity in the media will lead to some reputational losses for Russia. And that’s all, perhaps. Option 2. After listening to a six-month world-wide show, official Russia will say: “Dear partners, why didn’t you show us all this before and tell us? So, these criminals are really very bad radishes. Yes, we will give them to you now if if you want, or they’ll insist on their priests themselves, but we’ll pay to the poor relatives of the unfortunate murdered passengers so that we don’t grieve. , to finish the North Stream-2 in defiance of America.

    And what do you think? Which option is more likely? :)
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      Europe will melt from such a manifestation of love and may even lift some kind of sanctions or there, complete the northern stream-2 contrary to America.

      Messages were received yesterday, I don’t know how true it is that in the case of completion of JV2 in the United States, they are preparing sanctions for gas buying companies and JV2 participants.
      Washington may introduce new sanctions against Nord Stream 2 in February or March 2020.
      The German publication Handelsblatt, citing sources in Washington’s diplomatic circles, said that the United States Congress could adopt a new package of sanctions against the Russian Nord Stream 2 project. Restrictive measures will be introduced if the Russian Federation attempts to complete the construction of the pipeline. It is clarified that sanctions can be adopted in February or March of this year, and they will also be directed against European investors and companies that take blue fuel from the Russian gas pipeline, RIA Novosti writes.
      1. However, dear 5 February 2020 01: 48 New
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        Media: US intends to introduce new sanctions against Nord Stream 2 in February-March

        More details: https://www.newsru.com/world/04feb2020/nordstream.html
    2. your1970 5 February 2020 11: 00 New
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      Quote: However, dear

      And what do you think? Which option is more likely? :)

      I think that is more likely the third !!!!
      The Russian Federation will say: “Why were you silent then you didn’t ask us ??” And he will throw on the table, for example, negotiations of Ukrainian dispatchers, satellite images, and some other kind of fun, including materials from a German journalist.
      1. However, dear 5 February 2020 21: 17 New
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        This option is only during the trial, if the defense submits for consideration, the court will have to consider. And after the trial, this is not an option. No one will look.
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        1. Operator 6 February 2020 13: 46 New
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          Everything goes the way - the other day the US Secretary of State in Kiev suggested that the outskirts forget about the Crimea, because "everything that Russia takes away, then it does not give back" (C) laughing

          A little later, on the outskirts, its cartridges should be offered to forget about the Donbass, Right Bank, Polesie, etc. laughing
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        2. Pissarro 7 February 2020 07: 31 New
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          everything would end, as in Kharkov, as in Odessa


          Let's all cry. Punishers walked to burn subhuman. And their sickness was sent to Bandera by the evil Strelkov. If he wasn’t, well, they arranged a hundred Khatynia in the Donbas and returned to Galya with great help. And here it turned out, the shooters pressed the trigger, he started the war, he offended the children)
    2. your1970 5 February 2020 11: 30 New
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      Brothers .... This is enough to Personally put him on a stake! According to him, if it weren’t for him, there would have been many thousands of people killed! There would be 10 thousand injured .. There would be no destruction!
      The amazing question is, who is responsible for all these deaths and destruction?

      According to your logic and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Poland, it turns out that the USSR was to blame for Hitler attacking France and there were casualties among the French .... according to your logic, this is the USSR (and not the Wehrmacht at all !!!) with artillery shelling the French positions .... through all of Europe ....
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        And what does the USSR and France have to do with it? By the way, the USSR successfully supplied Nazi Germany with strategic raw materials and food when the Second World War went in full ...
  • Boris Petrov-Vodkin 5 February 2020 03: 17 New
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    Dutch justice is going to stretch the process of the alleged perpetrators of the tragedy for 25 weeks. The first court hearing will be held on March 9, 2020, and the last is scheduled for March 26, 2021
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    52 weeks in a year
  • maiman61 5 February 2020 06: 11 New
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    Yeah! They made fun! Strelkov knows so much about Russia's actions in the DPR and LPR that the Kremlin is not profitable for him to be behind the hill, and even more so in this sharashkin “court”. After all, a deal with the investigation is widely used there, and tell my friend about the actions of Russia in Ukraine, and we will remove the charges from you and give political asylum!
  • ZaharoFF 5 February 2020 08: 35 New
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    That is not a pity for this citizen. From the word at all ..
  • huntsman650 5 February 2020 09: 32 New
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    What nonsense just do not come up. Recently I heard a version that AKSenov from Crimea handed over to militias. I wonder how, logistics? And people believe))))
  • cradle 5 February 2020 10: 54 New
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    Quote: svan26
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    Rezniki and Kuchereny would participate on the part of the prosecution - give them free rein.

    They are specialists in Russian criminal law. There is different legislation ...

    Yes, you? And I thought they were experts in defending the liberals ... But it looks like it ... How wrong I was in life. It's good that you rubbed my headlights!
  • Dmitry V. 5 February 2020 11: 49 New
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    Dutch justice is going to stretch the process of the alleged perpetrators of the tragedy for 25 weeks. The first hearing will be held on March 9, 2020, and the last is scheduled for March 26, 2021.

    And where did you get the idea that they are "imaginary"?
    So far, the suspects.

    Strelkov personally announced live on this occasion: "Let them not fly in our sky" ... implying that the Ukrainian An-26 was shot down.
    At that time I was watching the news and I remember the entire chronology.

    At this time, RT had already reported the disappearance of flight MH17.
    Well, then Strelkova got it and he went into denial.
    1. fan_ 5 February 2020 12: 44 New
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      And where was the target detection radar (SOC) without which the BUK cannot work. This is a huge tracked radar.
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        Quote: fan_
        target detection station (SOC) without which the BUK cannot work.
        Able, this is called the "work of the JMA offline."
      2. Dmitry V. 5 February 2020 14: 16 New
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        Quote: fan_
        And where was the target detection radar (SOC) without which the BUK cannot work.

        SOU 9A310 has its own narrowly targeted radar and can operate autonomously without SOC.
        JMA provides the following tasks:
        - reception of target designation and control signals from PBU 9S470M1-2;
        - detection, identification of nationality, capture and tracking of targets, recognition of the class of air, surface or ground targets, highlighting them and missiles;
        - determination of the coordinates of the targets followed, the development of a flight mission for missiles and the solution of other pre-launch tasks;
        - pointing the launching device in the direction of the anticipated point of the meeting of the rocket with the goal;
        - the issuance of target designation for the radar homing missiles;
        - missile launch;
        - development of radio correction commands and their transfer to flying missiles;
        - transmitting to the 9A39M1 ROM the signals necessary for pointing the ROM starting device in the direction of the anticipated point, pointing the missile radar homing head to the target and its launch;
        - transfer to the CP information about the target being followed and the process of combat work;
        - training combat crew.
        JMA can perform these tasks both as part of the SAM system with target designation from the CP, and autonomously in the sector of responsibility.
  • Nasty 5 February 2020 12: 03 New
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    The essence of the accusation is not clear - everyone knows that the unfortunate plane was shot down by Ukraine, it already has a system. What does Russia have to do with it?
  • Aleksandr_12 5 February 2020 12: 25 New
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    Strelkov, of course, doesn’t have to go there. But on the Internet you can testify together with an experienced international lawyer. It is necessary to put on public display evidence (imaginary) of the Dutch investigators. And of course, to refute them reasonably. And just being silent is not an option. In absentia will be made guilty.
    1. fan_ 5 February 2020 12: 42 New
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      So they will not be allowed to ask questions? What is the point then?
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      If you testify before the court, then you acknowledge its legitimacy. And who gave the right to judge these ghouls is generally incomprehensible, the plane even belongs to Malaysia, and not to the Ukur
  • fan_ 5 February 2020 12: 41 New
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    Well, surprise is the restrained comment of Igor Ivanovich. laughing
  • Unmer 5 February 2020 13: 15 New
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    And where are the allegedly installed numbers of BUKA missiles transferred to Western Ukraine?
    1. Yuri Simple 5 February 2020 23: 48 New
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      They are diligently discredited. Like, hde overhead? And why the handwritten journal with errors? And hto prove that this is generally a rocket? etc. Typical tactics, so-and-so. But all questions with Buk’s numbers are for the investigation team. It was she who brought it from somewhere and put it up as a material evidence. And I bet that in the military unit where it was placed and which is today Ukrainian, not a single piece of paper has been preserved. They all disappeared (burned, drowned, carried away by the wind, used instead of wiping - choose any option yourself)
  • Vladimir Mashkov 5 February 2020 15: 05 New
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    Igor Ivanovich is not a saint, of course. However, to admit and justify that you didn’t, but what you are blatantly accused of by some lying very stupid creatures - idiocy.
  • Zabvo 5 February 2020 19: 06 New
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    No one will give him away, nor anyone else. Dogs in the geyrop are yapping and nothing more.
  • Alexander Malchukov 5 February 2020 19: 56 New
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    Investigators, prosecutors and judges of the Netherlands did not and do not seek the truth, they simply fulfill the political order of the leadership of the collective West to discredit Russia and the Russian leadership, regardless of real facts. The political and military leaders of Russia and the DPR are not crazy in such a wild way to rebuild against themselves the entire international international community, including the leaders of all states. There is no doubt that the aforementioned civilian passenger airliner was mistakenly shot down by the Ukrainian military who wanted to destroy the plane with V.V. Putin, who was supposed to fly the same course as the Malaysian Boeing who was flying after him. But the plane with V.V. Having left Poland's airspace, Putin, whose leadership was also involved in the tragedy, because he was looking for the case with the wrong hands to pay Russia for the deaths as a result of the plane crash near Smolensk of his government delegation, he abruptly changed course. And all that was intended for the plane with Vladimir Putin went to the Malaysian Boeing.
    Alexander Malchukov.
  • Aleksandr123 5 February 2020 23: 11 New
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    "it is possible that the Russian state will not be particularly" harnessed "for a person who now takes a very radical position with respect to the Kremlin"
    Why harness for him? Or is it that he could be forcibly removed from Russian territory by foreign intelligence agencies? He is a citizen of Russia. Located in Russian territory. If he has violated something, he is liable in accordance with Russian laws on Russian territory. And, also, Russia is obliged to protect him, as well as any of his subjects, if something illegal is done against him.
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    You need to start with the main thing. Nobody shot down any plane there. Scattered debris, a few old corpses ...

    It’s not so easy to bring down a plane of this size. The USSR didn’t succeed over Sakhalin, for example, but it was necessary to drop in the right place, not to Donbass, not after, it’s even more difficult to organize by shooting down
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    So far, no changes are planned here.

    ... So, honestly surprised that out of four people, only one decided now to argue with Dutch justice ...

    So in Ukraine they already wrote that minus one is Zemakh, who went to Moscow and disappeared.
  • Operator 6 February 2020 15: 57 New
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    purple to me in Ukraine and Donbas

    But we are not in Slobozhanshchina, Little Russia and New Russia.
  • opus 8 February 2020 02: 51 New
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    Quote: Ilya Polonsky
    All four suspects are announced The Netherlands on the international wanted list. This makes them automatically restricted to travel to most countries that maintain relevant relations with the European Union.

    Ilya treats you strongly, and
    1. Interpol is not there
    Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, interpol

    Interpol (red card)

    Paulissen:
    there are four arrest warrants for all the defendants. Everything, he pointed out, will be announced national and international wanted

    uh .. "will be announced" and "announced" - these are the 2nd big differences ...

    2. Damn ... well, how can I put on the wanted list -WITHOUT a decision, at least some, even a thin court?
    Quote: Ilya Polonsky
    However, it is unlikely that former Russian military and Ukrainian militias would be going to visit European countries or countries cooperating with them in other parts of the world.

    Ilya .... You, what do not know?
    Grew from any country.
    Fresh
    Israel gave the USA a Russian (Alexei Burkov), deciding not to change ego on the Israeli woman convicted in Russia, drug trafficker Naama Issahar,

    fool
    Are you in your right mind to write propagondonic crap?
    Quote: Ilya Polonsky
    Igor Girkin is a public figure.

    Quote: Ilya Polonsky, according to Interfax
    I do not accept the charges against me and I do not acknowledge that these people are authorized to charge me

    and I read another version:
    Boeing militia did not bring down. No more comments. We are not planning to attend the trial
    - said Mr. Strelkov

    somehow
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    Strelkova give out on command some guys from The Hague .. this is not to respect yourself! And then from what hangover in the DPR are people engaged in counterintelligence who have never served in counterintelligence? This is all nonsense ... the “investigation” level is immediately visible!
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    toad muzzle - Girkin leaves no hope of drowning Russia in blood, Putin did not send troops, so he decided to act from the inside. For some reason, the CIA does not steal it; sanctions are not imposed because of it. How stupid he is a puppet can be seen in all his interviews, who does not see this?