In fact, "empty": the Ministry of Defense of Poland revealed some data on the contract for F-35

In the Polish media there are materials that are devoted to the disclosure of part of the information on the alleged deal with the United States in terms of Poland's purchase of weapons. First of all, we are talking about data on a possible contract for the purchase of American F-35 fighters.

The material of the Polish observer Zbigniew Lentovic states that the Polish Ministry of Defense is considering the acquisition of 32 fifth-generation fighters. At the same time, the amount of the proposed contract is almost $ 4,6 billion. This suggests that the United States is ready to sell its F-35s to the Poles at a price of almost $ 144 million per unit.

The Polish media say that for this money the United States is ready not only to sell aircraft for the Polish Air Force, but also to train Polish pilots and technicians. The preliminary figures are 114 people (90 technicians and 24 pilots).

The specified amount also includes the creation of a training center with 8 simulators with operation until 2030.

The contract provides for the supply to Poland of F-35A aircraft in batches of 4-6 units per year, starting in 2024.

At the same time, an interesting detail is noted in the Polish media: the Polish Ministry of Defense has actually admitted that it intends to buy F-35 fighters from the Americans without a tender. In fact, this can be regarded as a violation of antitrust and anti-corruption legislation.

In addition, it turns out that the United States is going for $ 4,6 billion to deliver to Poland its fifth-generation fighters without weapons - virtually "empty". Arms Poles have to buy separately. About how much the transaction will cost in this case is not said.

The Polish Ministry of Defense says that “the lack of armaments is compensated in this case by the fact that the United States is ready to introduce Poland to the program of continuous maintenance and logistics of the supply of spare parts and components.”

Comments

[rocket757]

The Polish Ministry of Defense says

And we write on the fences ... different! And what the "grandmothers" say on the benches, there is "Eldorado" information for all sorts of different experts!

[maxim947]

to deliver to Poland their fifth-generation fighters without weapons - virtually "empty".

Nothing, they cram apples, they still have nowhere to put them.

[rocket757]

Normal apples, in general, WERE!
And now, when you pass by the "Gardens of the Don River", you simply rejoice !!! The edges are not visible and everything will bloom in the spring and there will be a "crazy pleasant" smell! Thanks to the same Poles, we will eat our own, without straining, we have a BIG country!
And the "penguins" theirs on p-fe, even when they get them ... probably ???

[svp67]

Quote: maxim947

to deliver to Poland their fifth-generation fighters without weapons - virtually "empty".
Nothing, they cram apples, they still have nowhere to put them.

An apple? Choke, but manure, that's for sure - ENOUGH

[ltc35]

It's like an old joke: "If you want to ruin your neighbor - buy him a Polaroid!" Let's change it: "If you want to ruin a Pole, sell him the F-35 for a cheap price!"

[Lipchanin]

Quote: ltc35

"If you want to ruin a Pole, sell him the F-35 for a cheap price!"

Yes, and

In addition, it turns out that the United States is going to deliver its fifth generation fighters to Poland for $ 4,6 billion. without weapons - actually “empty”

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: ltc35

It's like an old joke: "If you want to ruin your neighbor - buy him a Polaroid!" Let's change it: "If you want to ruin a Pole, sell him the F-35 for a cheap price!"

I don’t think that the Poles will go broke so badly.

F-35 "fly" to Poland only by 2026. Yesterday, February 2, portal defense24.pl published the details of a contract signed on January 31 for the supply of 32 of the latest American fighters.
Deliveries of the Polish F-35A will begin in 2024, but the first 6 aircraft will initially be based in the United States. Polish pilots and technical personnel will be trained at them. Directly to Poland, the first fighters will arrive closer to 2026. The pace of supply will be 4-6 aircraft per year.

Each of the aircraft will cost $ 87,3 million.

https://warspot.ru/16481-polskiy-f-35-v-detalyah

[Starover_Z]

Quote: maxim947

to deliver to Poland their fifth-generation fighters without weapons - virtually "empty".

Nothing, they cram apples, they still have nowhere to put them.

Expensive "boxes for apples" - $ 145 million a piece. Well, the Poles themselves wanted.
So why do they need reparations for World War II from Germany and Russia - to buy containers!

[Filxnumx]

Quote: maxim947

Nothing, they cram apples, they still have nowhere to put them.

And to steal to Russia. Maybe even so, these Russians will buy Polish apples?
What the hell! How many fit in the bomb bay, but in the ammunition boxes? Fuck invisibility, on the external suspension of the 4th container, to the obligator! You can overload, how many there to fly to Russia! And the pilot in the pockets to distribute at the customs hotel. An almost complete truck comes out. And all the work!

[white.eagle]

this plane uses the same weapons as the F 16. So there are rockets and bombs. The only novelty will be the purchase of JSM missiles in Norway. The main role of the F 35 in Poland will be to detect and indicate targets for other aircraft and artillery. Such a mini AWACS.

[EvilLion]

They and for the F-16 stock of missiles is negligible, initially there were 75 missiles, then they bought another 200+. If at least 1 real launch per pilot per year ... Although they seem to have 23 pilots in total, 10 years is enough.

An artillery spotter is easier to make from a balloon.

[white.eagle]

if necessary, rockets will be. One flight of C 17 will provide a large number of missiles. In addition, there are enough missiles in Ramstein and Aviano. There are about 60 F 16. pilots in Poland, plus about twenty pilots who retired at the age of 40. If necessary, they can return to service after a short training. In Poland, the use of rockets is rarely trained. There are no polygons for this. Polish pilots conduct such training in America. The use of rockets is included in the cost of training. This has nothing to do with the number of missiles in Poland.

[Siberia 75]

There is still debate about the F-35, even among experts (real ones), this is a prototype of the aircraft of the future, or a dummy with a trillion dough cut.

[rocket757]

In general, the experiment hurt \ the achievements for the future, very expensive, by the way ... and the Yankees are malays !, they even managed to monetize the deficiency and recapture part of the costs.
It is significant that the Yankee generals themselves are in no hurry to replace the penguin with everything and everything as planned. There are serious reasons for this.

[Siberia 75]

Quote: rocket757

and the Yankees malas !, they even managed to monetize the imperfection

Yes, this is not their sin and will learn. No wonder the descendants of pirates and slave traders

[rocket757]

Such an aircraft is pulling development, replacing a lot of other things, but this is completely different money ... even to calculate, not everyone can decide and do it right, in general.

[hydrox]

The development of the Air Force in Poland - yes, of course, it will: for a year it will turn out somewhere around $ 700-800 million - and so for 6-7 years.
The only problem is that, starting from next year, Poland switches to budget self-sufficiency, without subsidies from the EU: its budget is 100 billion Euros (with subsidies!) And empty planes will cost 0,8-1% of the budget), because the Polish army (almost the size of the Russian!) needs not only airplanes, but also much more ...!

[rocket757]

Everything is correct. At the same time, a dozen, another, even a third "penguins" will not make the Air Force much stronger, and the rest of the armed forces will "rob" to their underwear.
However, this is their business .....

[hydrox]

Exactly so, but it may turn out that "their deeds" may turn out to be our goals very soon!
On the other hand, look: after all, the penguin is an essentially offensive complex - and on whom Poland is going to "attack" - the answer, I think, is clear.
Again: one unfortunate Redzikovo with a division of half-fainted Patriots - a half-hour flight of a Su-35 link with an A-50 in the Baltic - and ALL of Poland without air defense and missile defense

[rocket757]

Quote: hydrox

because a penguin is an essentially offensive complex

It was designed as such, but so far it is not ... for various, objective reasons.
It was \ is an experiment, touched the future ... so far.

[EvilLion]

Monetize? Yes, they actually bent the world aircraft construction, signing a bunch of people for this project. Everyone else, including us with the Su-57, which will inevitably get a "penguin" according to flight characteristics, will have to fight for the remnants of the world market. Europe, it seems, began to twitch, but it seems that even Britain is buying an F-35, but for now they will roll out something of their own ...

[wayden]

Quote: Siberia 75

There is still debate about the F-35, even among experts (real ones), this is a prototype of the aircraft of the future, or a dummy with a trillion dough cut.

A bit of everything. This is a narrowly specialized aircraft with astronomical cost of maintenance. It can’t fight without the support of tracking stations, other aircraft, and, in particular, it needs AWACS. It was created as a network-centric element of the Air Force, without all this, it’s just an expensive toy that you should not even raise into the air. A bit like an aircraft carrier without a support group.
The question is not whether the Poles cretins that bought it without a damn thing, but whether these planes really belong to them in fact. They cannot exploit them adequately, it is obvious, but their owners can.

[Same lech]

Then an article appeared about the danger to Russia of Poland’s acquisition of the F-35.
http://agitpro.su/polsha-kupila-u-ssha-oruzhie-dlya-napadeniya-na-rossiyu/?utm_source=warfiles.ru
The question for specialists is this dangerous for us?

[Chigi]

Specialists will probably condemn, but I am "dilettante", simple.
The very purchase of "empty" F-35s at the lowest price will not create a threat.
The threat is that a training center for pilots and maintenance personnel will be built.
The threat to the Russian Federation is also created by the fact that the United States will fine-tune the logistics of supplies of "spare parts and components".
It would not be difficult to bring up the rockets in which case, the pilots will already be trained.
And for training and "apples" is enough, unfortunately

[voyaka uh]

Missiles and bombs are always purchased in separate contracts. Israel also buys all planes "empty".

[Siberia 75]

Quote: voyaka uh

Israel also buys all planes "empty".

You do not compare the capabilities of the Israeli military-industrial complex and psheks. In the Israeli defense industry, what is the percentage of immigrants from the USSR-Russian Federation

[spech]

Is Israel buying?

[bars1]

voyaka uhWell, you say! In air-to-air missiles, for example, Israel can give odds even to the United States.

[voyaka uh]

This is not the case. Poles use F-16. All F-16 missiles are also suitable for F-35.

[bobba94]

6 suspension points (placement inside, but it’s more convenient to count). If we summarize the cost of all the placed AIM, AGM and GBU, we get about $ 4.5 million. If in Israel they know how to effectively use such weapons and are able to do this, then pscheks in this regard, sorry moa ... (zapiko). Here is the difference

[voyaka uh]

Do not confuse political ambition and ambition with military training. The soldiers (including pilots) among the Poles are good.
And on the MiG-29, and on the F-16, they fly competently.

[bobba94]

Maybe I'm wrong ..... I just have relatives Poles, relatives for my wife. Honor sits with them all .... even sweeps the street, even sits in the cockpit of a fighter

[hydrox]

You are not mistaken :: the financial result of the month of the modern CONVENTIONAL WAR - and ALL logs go without pants!

[EvilLion]

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3923844.html

Laugh, enjoy.

[New Year day]

Well, why are Poles armed with planes!
The heads are hot, everyone begs for money, but with arms and robbery they will tear or blackmail us. Without weapons, everyone is calmer.

[hydrox]

The United States has a different calculation: the more NATO arms and the more soldiers it puts under arms, the more weapons Russia will have to keep in reserve - the States believe that Russia will tear this faster than the States will need to open second fronts!

[tihonmarine]

to Poland, their fifth-generation fighters without weapons are virtually “empty”. Arms Poles have to buy separately.

The USA sells everything empty, both patrol boats to Ukraine and fighter aircraft to Poland.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

The USA sells everything empty, both patrol boats to Ukraine and fighter aircraft to Poland.

They probably have weapons as tuning

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

They probably have weapons as tuning

With boats, it’s easier, they sucked, removed the weapons, and there are two ways to either dispose of or donate. Give cheaper. It’s more difficult with fighters; weapons are probably expensive. First buy a fighter, and then wind up with weapons. Stripes everywhere squeeze the dollar.

[figwam]

The United States is ready to sell its F-35s to the Poles at a price of almost $ 144 million per unit.

Democratic and free planes turn out to be expensive, and how many disputes there were about its cost.

[Thrifty]

Buy a little, and cheap! You need 250 minimum f35, and with the ability to buy another hundreds of 4! In the Stone Age, but with such aviation!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Thrifty

You need 250 minimum f35, and with the ability to buy another hundreds of 4!

So you can ruin all of Poland.

[Filxnumx]

And why the hell did Amer developed Poland?

[1959ain]

in the summer of 2020, Poland will receive the last tranche from Brussels for 75 billion euros, and there, where is Zin's money, for a jersey like the F-35A. Somehow, the Polish elite is already frantically looking for someone to get money from on far-fetched pretexts of "reparations" on the theme of World War II.

[cniza]

Yes, the feeder is closing ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

Yes, the feeder is closing ...

They fed them to their ... loin, probably.
In geyropov in general, at least someone studied history at school?

[1959ain]

Quote: rocket757

In geyropov in general, at least someone studied history at school?

It’s already written in the textbooks that the Russians are our escaped slaves

[rocket757]

Maybe ... but about the uprising of Spartacus, they also do not study how many rebellious citizens of Rome and any patricians have controlled any !!!

[1959ain]

But you are aware in ancient Rome, you let slaves go after 5 years, and then he could obtain citizenship, freedmen were the majority in ancient Rome, on this he kept himself and collapsed from this. And the Poles now want to win for cheap, Ukrainian labor.

[rocket757]

Slavery is not sugar anywhere and never. By the way, just letting go of the slave, it is also necessary to look at this "free bread" very carefully, how it actually happened.

[1959ain]

But how does it happen if you come to a permanent residence in another country, you are not allocated benefits and citizenship, you plow on the most not popular jobs, and then if you are not caught and sent out of the country, after 5 years you may receive citizenship, this it was in the USA, but now I don’t know.

[rocket757]

As always, as everywhere else, everything is decided ... money, or rather their availability.

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

They fed them to their ... loin, probably.
In geyropov in general, at least someone studied history at school?

That's just the point, the Poles felt that now it is possible to shake the rights, find a master (USA) and be his vassal, commanding a minimum of eastern Europe.

[rocket757]

I can count that the "cardinal", if anything, will fit in for the haberdasher .... It seems to me that a big mistake.

[cniza]

These are Poles, it seems to them that yes ...

[rocket757]

Honor, ambition is not measured! But by strength and in the skull ... it’s empty, for that there will be bits again.

[cniza]

In a word - historical masochists.

[rocket757]

So if you let a story pass in your ears at school, you’ll surely run into the same rake!

[cniza]

Okay, rake, they’ll lose the country ...

[rocket757]

They have a big brother, it seems.
TRUMP Fort will be built and will be crowded around it, keep the defense, if that!

[cniza]

Yeah, arrange ritual dances and pray for him ...

[rocket757]

But sho ... experience is there! From the last, they almost put a monument to Adolfich

[Lipchanin]

Quote: cniza

Yes, the feeder is closing.

So they are frantically looking for another one from whom else to demand "reparations"
Victor

[mister-red]

in the summer of 2020, Poland will receive the last tranche from Brussels for 75 billion euros

Probably still millions.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 1959ain

in the summer of 2020, Poland will receive the last tranche from Brussels for 75 billion euros, and where it will be, where the money is Zin

And then the Poles will begin to blackmail, just like Lukashenko.

[1959ain]

Quote: tihonmarine

And then the Poles will begin to blackmail, just like Lukashenko.

They are already demanding additional reparations from Germany and Russia, and blocking gas for both countries, imposing US gas, and therefore they are stuffed into their allies

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 1959ain

They already require additional reparations from Germany and Russia, and block gas to both countries

Yes, it is now clear why Poland was divided during the reign of Catherine the Great. And still they will not stop, as Roosevelt used to say at the Yalta conference: "Poland for five centuries has been Europe's sore head."

[Aliken]

Here scream, bred as children.

[cniza]

Arms Poles have to buy separately. About how much the transaction will cost in this case is not said.

"Vacuum cleaner" in action ... what's in their heads?

[Pastor]

The best marketing. A simple analogy, for example, with a printer. His even for nothing. But paint costs money.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Pastor

His even for nothing. But paint costs money.

It’s like in an old joke.
A billboard was hung around the city that the entrance to the circus would be free.
The people choked.
After the presentation, the controllers stood at the exit and demanded money for the exit

[rotmistr60]

Weapons for the Poles will have to buy separately

Yesterday there were 5, but kruuupnye. And today 3, but small. At first, they painted - 32 aircraft, training of pilots and technicians, and only something for 4,6 billion (for Poland, of course, "little things"?). And the reality turned out to be more prosaic - the weapons are separate and not for a small amount. As in that joke - you will behave well by pouring water into the pool. Well, rejoice further.

[Oleg83]

The Polish Ministry of Defense is considering the acquisition of 32 fifth-generation fighters. At the same time, the amount of the proposed contract is almost $ 4,6 billion. This suggests that the United States is ready to sell its F-35s to the Poles at a price of almost $ 144 million per unit.

Ingenious journalism, divide the contract amount by the number of fighters and declare the result as the total cost of the aircraft.
You need to know what is included in this contract before writing. Why such icteric articles on the site?

[mister-red]

Patamushata were sold cheaper to other countries under approximately the same conditions, for example, Japan somewhere around 105-110 million. If you are aware of IT topics, this is similar to parrots - how it is measured is not clear, but you can understand the measure of divorce.

[CAT BAIYUN]

I’m just wondering .... this year the freebie for Poland is closed: the European Union will transfer the last tranche to Poland. What are these proud lords with striped dogs going to pay? Like we give you a base for free, and you give us "empty" flying irons and a bonus in the form of logistics of supplies of components?
The Poles have always been able to bargain and get profit .. And here? Do they need it?
I’m sure that if anyone needs it, it’s more of a corrupt political skin in the Polish leadership. Benefits except for glavnyuk no one else.

[Ros 56]

It would be better if they bought drums, they are empty and are cheaper and at the head of the column going on foot erotic journey.

[Chaldon48]

So I want to tell you that there is nowhere else to spend money except to buy notorious junk.

[Vasyan1971]

The United States is ready to introduce Poland to the program of continuous service and logistics for the supply of spare parts and components

Well yes. A continuous supply of spare parts will be needed.

[voyaka uh]

What do you mean - empty? Arms are always bought separately. The plane is not sold with missiles and bombs.

[Finn]

Swedes are selling.

[Kerensky]

Arms are always bought separately.

Yes, almost everyone understands this, but some people like "empty" ....
But why are less pilots going to cook than taking planes?
Type shot down, catapulted, returned to the unit, sat on another free and in battle?

[Chief Engineer]

For money for 1 pc, you can buy almost 3 tons of gold!

[Ivan staryi]

But I’m wondering how well the author of the article understands the Polish antitrust and anti-corruption legislation?)))

[Rostislav Prokopenko]

If you want to destroy the economy of a small country, give it a cruiser!
It took a little more than 100 years and the cruiser was changed to a fifth-generation flying prodigy.
And with weapons - it's just super !!!

[Jack O'Neill]

This suggests that the United States is ready to sell its F-35s to the Poles at a price of almost $ 144 million per unit.

The Polish media say that for this money the United States is ready not only to sell aircraft for the Polish Air Force, but also to train Polish pilots and technicians. The preliminary figures are 114 people (90 technicians and 24 pilots).

The specified amount also includes the creation of a training center with 8 simulators with operation until 2030.

Khmm, fun ...

Arms Poles have to buy separately. About how much the transaction will cost in this case, it does not say

Then the bird sang that the Poles have both AIM-9X and AMRAAM C-7.
Simply put, the Poles have a BB configuration.
But I don’t know about VZ ...

[bars1]

Do you think that the Polish F-16s do not need weapons?

[Jack O'Neill]

No rockets left.

[Vlad5307]

I repeat (as in the previous article about this): There was no sadness - a woman bought a pig!

[maiman61]

Yeah! Let your mouth open wider! Americans know how to count money, this is not the USSR, which he gave according to need. NATO countries bombed Libya and a few days later missiles and bombs ended. From the word at all. We bowed to the mattresses, give the rogues!

[TermNachTer]

Bu - ha - ha, I can’t laugh. Psheki, what did you think you got into a fairy tale? Or have you forgotten the F - 16, which the mattresses set for you in a half-killed state? Jokes are just beginning

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Siberia 75

Quote: rocket757

and the Yankees malas !, they even managed to monetize the imperfection

Yes, this is not their sin and will learn. No wonder the descendants of pirates and slave traders

You are mistaken deeply. It is not the smart trading system that works here, but the merciless slave mobilization system. Suppose I put you in the basement and chain. After you can trade very efficiently. More precisely, with your relatives. And I’ll be especially big grandmas if the American fleet guards my hacienda.

[viktor_ui]

"In fact, this can be regarded as a violation of antimonopoly and anti-corruption laws" - a killer pearl in this post ... where does the antimonopoly service of Russia look, after all, "It is very important to pursue a transparent and balanced tariff policy" ??? ... at least wait, at least fall from it all. What does it matter to us that the Americans are pushing pshekam there ... what an ambush? I wonder what they will sing here, if SUDDENLY, they decide to sell the penguin to us ... well, that's how the stars will fall? Shall we yell for a goat a button accordion ... or will we buy it for quiet sadness? What do you say, the wisest ones?

[Rome]

Why are they buying 32 planes and only 24 pilots are trained? Typically, pilots are trained more than planes to fight without a break for sleep! But here, on the contrary, does it depend on the reliability of the aircraft?

[Lexxtech]

They probably bought for resale. Merchant people, cunning, how many times have they outwitted themselves ...

[smaug78]

What good fellows!

[Aleks2000]

In fact, the news is disturbing.
32 run-in F35 only in Poland - this is even more (or about the same) than Su 57 total.
Moreover, they can easily be combined with the rest of NATO.

And to count other people's billions, and to laugh at apples ....
- happiness is not in apples ....

[EvilLion]

When Poland has these 32 aircraft, we will end the first contract for 76 Su-57s, and most likely they will make part of the aircraft from the inevitable next. Well, NATO in the person of Spain or Italy is already running to fight with us.

[Aleks2000]

It’s funny. These will run.
I’ve heard about various contracts about Su-57, but now about 76 SU 57 ....

In the meantime, they are made piece by piece, 76 in 8 years ??? let’s see while with the sky of disagreement in the country, the projections named after Khoja Nasreddin around were immeasurable ...

[lvov_aleksey]

as always, for which they fought for something, and ran ...

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Alex2000

In fact, the news is disturbing.
32 run-in F35 only in Poland - this is even more (or about the same) than Su 57 total.
Moreover, they can easily be combined with the rest of NATO.
And to count other people's billions, and to laugh at apples ....
- happiness is not in apples ....

but I’ll tell you, you don’t think so, one plane is always more expensive than a rocket.
well done Khrushchev, they crushed aircraft carriers, and we rockets.
and they still fart with fear