Russia and Malaysia dutifully await the start of judicial farce in The Hague by MH17


A little more than a month later, on March 9, a trial will begin in the Dutch court of The Hague in the case of the July 17, 2014 crash of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER airliner over the Donbass on a scheduled flight MH17 on the Amsterdam-Kuala Lumpur route.


Accused already appointed


The International Investigation Team (JIT) in the case of a Malaysian Boeing shot down over Donbass has already announced that three Russian citizens have been charged: former head of the DPR armed forces Igor Girkin (Strelkov), reconnaissance group commander Sergey Dubinsky with the call sign Khmuryi and his deputy Oleg Pulatov with callsign "Gyurza", as well as a citizen of Ukraine Leonid Kharchenko (callsign - "Mole").

As the main version, the investigation team has already made its main conclusion: the Malaysian Boeing 777-200 was shot down (all 298 people on board died) with a Buk anti-aircraft missile system, delivered to the combat zone from Russian territory from the 53rd air defense brigade, stationed near Kursk.

In The Hague, they threatened a long and loud process. Under the pretext of his special publicity, the case will not be considered in the building of the district court, but in the large hall of the Legal Complex, located near Schiphol Airport.

A timeline of the process is presented. It will be held within 25 weeks: March 9-13, 2020; March 23-27, June 8 - July 3; August 31-November 13; February 1 - March 26, 2021. A curious public will be able to follow what is happening in the courtroom via an online broadcast.
For the convenience of the audience, the Netherlands has amended its legislation, which now provides for the use of the English language in the process. The Dutch did not invite official representatives of Russia (accused of a disaster over the Donbass) and Malaysia (it owns the downed Boeing). This fact alone raises questions.

The Hague District Court Public Relations Coordinator Monique Bunk told reporters that “observers” could attend the meeting from Russia, Malaysia, and any other countries. To do this, they must submit an official application. These are the starting conditions for the process at The Hague. In other words: as observers - if you want, come; if you don’t want to, sit at home and watch the online broadcast in English. Judicial farce ...

Where did the inconvenient evidence for the investigation go?



The appearance of Russia in the list of undesirable participants in the process is understandable. She was convicted immediately after the disaster over Donetsk. Actually, a new page in international relations began with this tragic incident, when the accusation of a group of countries dominating the world becomes more important than real evidence.

Then there will be a “high probability” of Russia's involvement in the Salisbury incident in English, interference in the American and other elections, and a Catalan referendum. The Kremlin has been unprovenly accused of another dozen large and small political conflicts that shook the Western elite.

The crash with the Malaysian Boeing was perhaps the first example when the West, on the pretext of Russia's involvement in the incident, ignored all the evidence it presented: satellite data, documents, materials that the rocket that shot down the airliner was in Ukraine since Soviet times, evidence eyewitnesses, etc.

But JIT completely nullified the responsibility of Kiev for the tragedy. I can no longer hear that Ukraine was obliged to close the sky over the war zone. There is no information about the dispatcher who controlled air traffic in the crash area. He fell out of sight. It is not known where the tapes of the negotiations between the crews of the aircraft and the air traffic service are located. Someone carefully removed from the case file everything that contradicted the dubious version of the international investigation team about the causes of the Boeing Malaysia Airlines crash.

Why didn’t we combine our actions with Malaysia?


Malaysia got into a company with Russia because it doubted the conclusions of the investigation and the legitimacy of the Dutch investigation. From the very beginning, it was roughly pushed away from this process. It got to the point that the representatives of the country-owner of the downed airliner, who arrived in Kiev, were prevented by the Ukrainian authorities from conducting their investigation.

About this in the documentary of the Dutch journalist Max van der Verff told the former head of a group of investigators at the government of Malaysia, Colonel Mohamad Sakri. The colonel had to carry out a whole secret operation to get the black boxes of the plane.

They persistently tried to take possession of the United States and Ukraine. According to Sakri, the Ukrainian authorities blocked the Malaysians from access to the crash site, after which the colonel with a group of 11 people, including doctors and military personnel, secretly went to Donetsk.

Colonel Sakri received black boxes MH17 in Donetsk on July 22, 2014. The field of this, the staff of the OSCE observation mission, representatives of the Ukrainian authorities and FBI agents consistently demanded that Sakri transfer the boxes to them, but the Malaysians (as the owners of the liner) were able to defend their right to these important devices.

But in the end, Malaysia was left behind the investigation. But she continued to follow his progress.

For example, Akash Rosen, senior investigator for digital expertise of the Malaysian company OG IT Forensic Services, noted that audio recordings of the talks by the JIT investigation team were edited. In the investigation team, these claims were simply ignored.

In turn, the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Mahathir Mohamad, soon became convinced that the investigation had become politicized and acquired a pronounced anti-Russian orientation. In an interview with the authors of the film already mentioned here, the prime minister said: "The United States, the Netherlands and Australia are not interested in establishing the true causes of the crash."

In such circumstances, it was logical for the authorities of Russia and Malaysia to unite. Create a joint investigative group, based on the results of which to conduct its own lawsuit on the crash of the Malaysia Airlines liner. However, offensive diplomacy is apparently not in honor. On Smolenskaya Square, they chose to limit themselves to the slurred comments of their official representative on her personal Facebook page.

Meanwhile, the West is not only not shy about actively influencing the actions of international authorities. To achieve his goals, he openly manipulates established legal norms, replacing them with political expediency.

This was the case, for example, when the Stockholm arbitration considered the dispute between Naftagaz and Gazprom. Under the same circumstances, arbitration denied the Russian company a lawsuit, citing its decision as the weakness of the Ukrainian economy, incapable of multibillion-dollar payments. And here he ordered Gazprom to pay a fine to Naftagaz in order to support the declining economy of Ukraine.

A similar motivation and logic must be expected from the Hague trial. A months-long propaganda action will provide scope for far-fetched accusations and unconfirmed facts. Russia and Malaysia will dutifully observe this farce from the side. Apparently, they are not yet ready for other actions.
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  1. Tiksi-3 4 February 2020 08: 11 New
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    Meanwhile, the West is not only not shy about actively influencing the actions of international authorities. To achieve his goals, he openly manipulates established legal norms, replacing them with political expediency.
    so what does the author suggest? ... to observe from the side or declare a boycott .... or can he send troops to the crash site of the Boeing and invite Malaysia for investigative actions? ..... what to do? author ay ?? !!
    1. Range 4 February 2020 08: 17 New
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      When the horde announced offering to surrender to the Russians: - "We are Darkness", to which the answer followed: - "And we are the Rat".
    2. 210ox 4 February 2020 08: 47 New
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      Well, he can organize an investigation in the case of forgery, perjury, abuse of authority. And judge all those involved in VNA, The Hague and around. And pursue them on the coffin .. But do not sit, picking a finger in the nose.
      1. Tiksi-3 4 February 2020 08: 55 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        Well, can arrange a forgery investigation

        wassat in a basmanny court?
        Quote: 210ox
        And judge all who are involved in vna, the Hague and around

        you play on their field, who will give you?
        1. 210ox 4 February 2020 08: 58 New
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          Yes, at least in what court. About playing on their field? Well, let them feel in their own skin that they are not allowed to relax on the whole ball.
          1. Paul Siebert 4 February 2020 15: 04 New
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            That is why changes are needed in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
            Remove from there recognition of the dominance of international law over Russian!
            We do not need any filkin letter from Europe to be binding and recognized.
            Russia is a sovereign country! For us, the priority is the Russian court!
    3. vit670 4 February 2020 08: 50 New
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      Russia will not send anyone anywhere! This the USSR could send and reckoned with. And so Russia is completely dependent on the West. They arrest property abroad (and it’s not enough), they will limit the sale of oil and gas, and they have a lot to limit ... Yes, we must also take into account that our billionaires and those in power, their children, families, capital are all there West .... Well, how can Russia send someone somewhere? They all give up and pay, and you put the poor Russians on us you know what ... And we will be even poorer, more taxes and requisitions ... This is our bleak future ....
      1. Tiksi-3 4 February 2020 08: 56 New
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        Quote: vit670
        Russia will not send anyone anywhere!

        I ask ..... what does the author suggest !! .... or do you not know how to read?
        1. figwam 4 February 2020 10: 32 New
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          Quote: Tiksi-3
          I ask ..... what does the author suggest !! .... or do you not know how to read?

          You do not read carefully ...
          In such circumstances, it was logical for the authorities of Russia and Malaysia to unite. Create a joint investigative group, based on the results of which to conduct its own lawsuit on the crash of the Malaysia Airlines liner. However, offensive diplomacy is apparently not in honor. On Smolenskaya Square, they chose to limit themselves to the slurred comments of their official representative on her personal Facebook page.
          1. Tiksi-3 4 February 2020 10: 46 New
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            Quote: figvam
            You do not read carefully ...

            I read carefully, just what will it give? ... how will it solve the problem? - Yes, no matter how .... already all are Assigned !!
            1. figwam 4 February 2020 10: 59 New
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              Quote: Tiksi-3
              .how to solve the problem?

              It will not decide in any way, but after amendments to the constitution, legally, our right will be a priority in comparison with any Hague. They are trying to make our country a world center of lies, dirt, terrorism, aggression, in their opinion we are to blame for doping in sports, terrorism in Salisbury, in the destruction of civilian aircraft, in the Second World War, all this is done to give the West the right to destroy our country.
              1. Tiksi-3 4 February 2020 11: 02 New
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                Quote: figvam
                Doesn’t decide

                in fact of the matter
                Quote: figvam
                but after constitutional amendments

                and what will it give? .... will not introduce new sanctions? or maybe the accounts of the "elite" over the hill will not be touched? .... they will prohibit the purchase of hydrocarbons from the Russian Federation and will punish everyone who buys .... how will these amendments help us ??
                1. figwam 4 February 2020 11: 16 New
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                  Quote: Tiksi-3
                  .how do these amendments help us ??

                  We will no longer obey and obey their false laws and sentences.
                  1. Tiksi-3 4 February 2020 11: 53 New
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                    Quote: figvam
                    We will no longer obey and obey their false laws and sentences.

                    how will we supply (and where) hydrocarbons if they take such sanctions on the basis of a false accusation?
                    1. figwam 4 February 2020 12: 20 New
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                      Quote: Tiksi-3
                      how we will supply (and where) hydrocarbons

                      There are two options, to obey or fight.
                      1. Tiksi-3 4 February 2020 12: 22 New
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                        Quote: figvam
                        There are two options, to obey or fight.

                        this is a no brainer .... the question is - how ?????? .... describe your thoughts
                      2. figwam 4 February 2020 12: 37 New
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                        Quote: Tiksi-3
                        describe your thoughts

                        We are still under sanctions because we are resisting, and obeying the NATO bloc will not lead to anything good.
                      3. Tiksi-3 4 February 2020 12: 54 New
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                        Quote: figvam
                        We are now under sanctions

                        you can specifically write ..... how to sell hydrocarbons - if we are banned (those who buy from Russia - sanctions from the United States)? and pipelines will get up ..... oil carriers will arrest .... what actions ?????
                      4. figwam 4 February 2020 13: 20 New
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                        Quote: Tiksi-3
                        oil tankers will arrest .... what actions ?????

                        To answer force by force, they don’t understand the other.
    4. Lipchanin 4 February 2020 11: 56 New
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      Quote: figvam
      Create a joint investigative group, based on the results of which to conduct its trial on the crash of the Malaysia Airlines liner.

      Are you serious?
      Yes, no one will know about this "process".
      From the word "general"
      Do you think anyone in the West will allow "independent" media to even say a word?
      About this in the documentary of the Dutch journalist Max van der Verff

      Do you think that someone saw this movie there?
      1. figwam 4 February 2020 12: 01 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        Are you serious?

        I?
        This is written in an article, but did I quote or is nobody reading anything at all?
        1. Lipchanin 4 February 2020 12: 09 New
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          Quote: figvam
          I?
          This is written in the article, and quoted or is there no one reading anything at all?

          Sorry, I got it hi
  • Alekseev 4 February 2020 09: 11 New
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    Quote: vit670
    Such is our bleak future ....

    No need to whine. Better offer something sensible. Crimea, Syria, the defeat of Sahaki shows that the Russian Federation can protect its interests. And it is not necessary to idealize the USSR, as far as ... it is aimed at helping the various Himalayans there, the so-called brothers, who, at the first opportunity, turned to booty to us. This is one of the reasons for the collapse of the union. And arbitration in Stockholm began to be used precisely in the USSR.
    The court in Holland, we cannot prohibit, and we can not recognize its results, which will be done.
    Yes, there was an illusion coming from the 90s about international courts, etc. But she is dying and changes to the Constitution are a confirmation of this. Evidence on this issue was also shown by the sea and the problems of the Dutch that they were not considered.
  • Vladimir_2U 4 February 2020 09: 19 New
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    Almost complete analogy with the court in the case of the Arson of the Reichstag in 1933, only now Russia is actually accused.
    Quote: Tiksi-3
    what to do
    At that time, the USSR was able to very effectively confront and help pre-appointed accused:
    (At that time, the so-called “journalistic conflict” unfolded in Soviet-German relations, including the arrest and search of Soviet journalists (including TASS representatives) on September 22 while trying to get to the Leipzig process [9]. September 23 Soviet the government decided to recall Soviet journalists from Germany and expel German journalists from the USSR within three days, which was an unprecedented measure in diplomatic practice. Germany backtracked and on November 4, 1933, Soviet magazines the first time you were present in the court in Leipzig.)
    Will the current representatives of the domestic Government and the Foreign Ministry be able to somehow apply this experience, there is hope, but there are considerable doubts.
  • IvanT 4 February 2020 09: 41 New
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    Do everything sequentially, without revealing the cards and not get hysterical)) but the bots do not understand this.
  • Alex Nevs 4 February 2020 10: 13 New
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    For some reason, I am ready to "express concern" by giving money.
  • Ros 56 4 February 2020 11: 26 New
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    There is such a Russian saying, "Come you in three funny letters," if it is polite. They know the way. laughing
  • Svetlana 4 February 2020 08: 20 New
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    For 25 weeks, that is, while the tribunal will go to the constitution of the country will be adopted an amendment on the priority of domestic laws over international. And this tribunal for will not have any power for Russia and the Russians.
    That talk of "dutifully waiting" is not even close.
    1. EvilLion 4 February 2020 08: 25 New
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      He will be lost without this amendment.
      1. Svetlana 4 February 2020 08: 27 New
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        Ignore is one thing. The implementation of the laws of the country is different.
        1. EvilLion 4 February 2020 08: 52 New
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          What laws? In the world of a million different organizations, Russia must clearly agree with one or another in order to comply with its decisions. The UN, in which Russia is a member, or the WTO, is one thing, and if some Ukrainians with Georgians and Psheks in addition create something and demand money from Russia, it will be raised for haha.

          As for international laws. I don’t really understand how it is possible to build legislation at all, if "I’m doing it here, I don’t doing it here." One must either not sign at all, or, if they subscribe, fulfill it. And then we laugh at the Ukrainians that they have an eternal circus, and they just subscribed to one, and immediately declare another, but when our government fulfills some agreements that look unprofitable, but which the USSR can still subscribe to, this causes tantrums, how so.
          1. Svetlana 4 February 2020 08: 59 New
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            I admit, I didn’t put it that way. It’s not about priority of laws, but about priority Russian law. Priority of Russian law over international. This is different.
            1. EvilLion 4 February 2020 09: 17 New
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              Well, let’s say in Russia slavery will be declared legal. They will say that all the "chocks" and the Chinese who did not have time to blame, either to the wall or to the uranium mines, but it doesn’t mean that there is a gratuitous slave. strength is needed. The population will meet this with glee. And do not care that in the world slavery is illegal? And you can come up with a bunch of such garbage, from which everyone will be stunned. But like our laws. In theory, it is certainly true, but again it turns out that there are some conventions that they might have signed under the tsar, and neither the Soviet government, nor Yeltsin, nor Putin refused them. International law is an international treaty. Without them, any country already has every right to create any game at home, while this does not interfere with its neighbors.
              1. Svetlana 4 February 2020 09: 26 New
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                The priority of Russian law over international means that the decision of the Russian courts has priority over the decision of foreign courts. And Russia, as a country, is not obliged to execute decisions of other courts. Today it’s not. Today there is, "thank you" Yeltsin the priority of international law.

                And yes, if laws are adopted on the expulsion of foreigners, slavery, etc., etc. .. start to put them into action, then no one can interfere. (Today, too, no one can)
                1. EvilLion 4 February 2020 09: 42 New
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                  Again. dill, Georgians, and Psheks can at least collect a tribunal tomorrow and at least blame Russia for the Neanderthals in the genocide. To this, in Moscow they just twist a finger at the temple. But, if the UN prohibits slavery, and they introduce it in our country, then they can exclude us, including from the Security Council, where we can really ban a lot.
                2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 10: 41 New
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                  Quote: Svetlana
                  The priority of Russian law over international means that the decision of the Russian courts has priority over the decision of foreign courts. And Russia, as a country, is not obliged to execute decisions of other courts.
                  Western countries will seek from Russia the enforcement of a court decision not by reference to the Constitution, but by sanction pressure, so nothing will change here. On the other hand, possible friendly countries may once again think whether they should conclude an international agreement with a country in which the Constitution states that it is, in principle, not obligated to comply with it, and may unilaterally refuse to do so, referring to its internal laws.
                  1. anykin 4 February 2020 11: 45 New
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                    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                    On the other hand, possible friendly countries may once again think whether they should conclude an international agreement with a country in which the Constitution states that it is, in principle, not obligated to comply with it, and may unilaterally refuse to do so, referring to its internal laws.

                    It is written about Russia, but read as about partners.
                    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 12: 15 New
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                      Partners withdraw from contracts, participation in which they no longer consider appropriate. Through the exit procedure standardly provided for in such agreements.
                      1. anykin 4 February 2020 23: 33 New
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                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        should they conclude an international agreement with a country in which the Constitution states that, in principle, it is not required to comply with it

                        There are tangled international treaties with priority laws. These are different things.
              2. SamVI68 4 February 2020 10: 04 New
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                and tell Lukashenka, Shaw, the death penalty is prohibited in Europe. here he will be surprised.
        2. Alex Nevs 4 February 2020 10: 13 New
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          ALIEN !!!! country.
    2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 08: 26 New
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      What is the practical effect? Sanctions in case of refusal to execute a court decision will be imposed regardless of what is written in the Constitution.
      1. Loess 4 February 2020 08: 31 New
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        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        Sanctions in case of refusal to execute a court decision will be imposed regardless of

        Sanctions will be imposed in any case. It would be a desire, but a reason to find for them is not a problem.
      2. EvilLion 4 February 2020 08: 58 New
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        And what are the sanctions? We are like 1000 years under different sanctions. Any property to arrest? Well, they will do the same for us, but they will carry out some foreign firms, without which we will perfectly live. And less of our naive fools will go abroad. Mayhem, it is, as it were, mutual. The Malays are sorry, they have nothing to do with it, and they have been exposed to the whole world as subhuman, who can be banged with impunity for a collision with a country that the Malays will find on the globe except because of its size.
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 09: 11 New
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          Gaddafi, too, argued something like this, but in the end his suspects for the explosion over Lockerbie still surrendered.
          1. EvilLion 4 February 2020 09: 44 New
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            And did it help him? In general, he is up to a credit. moment in Europe was quite a handshake.
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 09: 54 New
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              Well, it helped exactly that, having surrendered the suspects, he became a handshake.
    3. Den717 4 February 2020 09: 08 New
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      Quote: Svetlana
      and 25 weeks, that is, while the tribunal will go to the constitution of the country will be adopted an amendment on the priority of domestic laws over international.

      The modern edition of part 4 of article 15 says: “The generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If international treaty of the Russian Federation rules other than those prescribed by law are established, then the rules of the international treaty apply. "An international treaty of the Russian Federation is an agreement signed by the Russian Federation / USSR and entered into force according to the rules. If the Russian Federation has not signed the formal basis for the creation of the tribunal and is not obliged to obey its decisions, then we are completely we can ignore it, but taking into account the public resonance of the event, we will somehow react in a different way to everything that this trial will cast out of us. In this case, I don’t see the need for changes general constitution specifically for this situation
    4. Yehudi Menuhin 4 February 2020 10: 22 New
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      Why the hell do you conclude contracts that are disadvantageous for yourself, and then accept amendments to the Constitution on the priority of national law? This is a natural perversion
  • steelmaker 4 February 2020 08: 21 New
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    And it always happens when only substitute the cheek for a blow! Around the borders of Russia, the Americans spread their biological laboratories. They must be charged with the spread of the virus and let them prove that they have nothing to do with it! Like us with the Skripals.
    1. Evil Booth 4 February 2020 15: 24 New
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      the plane’s thirsty board side is not broken, which means that the angle of attack of the rocket and its sediments will lead us to dill; more than once they smoked in the media, but it was expected that it didn’t get on free Wikipedia and other ribbonavers.
  • EvilLion 4 February 2020 08: 24 New
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    But should Russia somehow react? Will send all 3 letters simply.
  • bessmertniy 4 February 2020 08: 25 New
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    The main culprit in the tragedy of Ukraine. For the simple reason that it didn’t block the sky in the war zone. stop The consequence of this was the possible tragedy with the Boeing. This is despite the fact that for so many years the international court has not been able to figure out what actually happened. negative
  • svan26 4 February 2020 08: 36 New
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    I don’t understand why, instead of publishing “strange” satellite photos with a rocket "and no less strange briefings by the Ministry of Defense, my own investigative group to investigate the crash was not created. It would collect facts and draw evidence. Why are the negotiations on the whole DNRLN broadcast written and are evidence in court, but there are no similar entries launching BUK from the Ukrainian side ?!
    Only one verbal foam, similar to this article, for some reason placed in the "analytics" section.
    1. carstorm 11 4 February 2020 08: 54 New
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      because legally, all this is insignificant. because except in the press you will not show these data and nobody will take them into account. because the evidence, as it were, is for all alone and we have no access to the main ones and will not have. what do you want to show? they even made a presentation with a model of the hit of this rocket and who cares? bias of the court in itself does not make it possible to present something in this court
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 09: 01 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        because legally, all this is insignificant. because except as in the press you will not show these data and nobody will take them into account
        They can be shown in court. This is guaranteed by the right to defense. If they are convincing, the process can be completely ruined, just as the lawsuit of the Yukos shareholders or the disqualification of the Sochi 2014 medalists were ruined. But here you need to understand an important thing - unlike briefings and press conferences, testimony in court is given under oath.
        1. carstorm 11 4 February 2020 09: 18 New
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          in court?) the judge simply will not accept them and that’s it. you carefully read about the ignore of everything that Russia has provided including means of objective control?)
          1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 10: 03 New
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            Ignore everything involved in the investigation. And the court is the body that has the authority to acquit suspects if the defense was able to demonstrate that the investigation was conducted poorly. This is the function of the court, and this is the principle of equality of arms before the law. And not that the investigation is obliged to include in the case file everything that will be given to it.

            With a well-constructed defense, the investigation will have to explain why it refused to include any evidence in the case file. And here it depends on the defense whether she decides to demand that these pieces of evidence be sworn in under oath (and this is not the same as demanding that they be included at some press conference).
            1. carstorm 11 4 February 2020 10: 14 New
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              The Hague District Court Public Relations Coordinator Monique Bunk told reporters that “observers” could attend the meeting from Russia, Malaysia, and any other countries. To do this, they must submit an official application. These are the starting conditions for the process in The Hague. In other words: as observers - if you want, come; if you don’t want to, sit at home and watch the online broadcast in English. Judicial farce ...
              are you talking about this court?)))
              1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 10: 20 New
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                I did not find in this quote allegations that I could not participate in court from Russia nobody but observers. Moreover, if you have been following the news, you should be aware that people who have been charged by the investigation have already hired lawyers.
                1. carstorm 11 4 February 2020 10: 21 New
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                  so these are people) and not the state from whose territory, according to the investigation, the installation arrived) who should refute this? "Girkin?)
              2. vladimirvn 4 February 2020 12: 16 New
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                Can our lawyer be sent ?! What is stopping them? And present our evidence there.
                1. carstorm 11 4 February 2020 12: 20 New
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                  Yes, at least 10. whom will they represent there?)
                  1. vladimirvn 4 February 2020 20: 06 New
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                    Accused, citizens of the Russian Federation. The obligation of the state to protect its citizens has not yet been canceled!
        2. SamVI68 4 February 2020 10: 11 New
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          are you completely choppy or pretending to be? only evidence that is accepted and recognized by the court as legal is shown in court. Why didn’t you watch American detectives? there even the video with the murderer is not accepted for consideration, if this video was removed by law. and Holland does not accept our evidence in its court, even the owner of the aircraft “why” sent it. why are you going to represent the court?
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            and Holland does not accept our evidence in its court
            The decision to attach evidence of the defense is not made by the Netherlands, but by the court. There was no trial yet.
          2. vladimirvn 4 February 2020 12: 23 New
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            only evidence that is accepted and recognized by the court as legal is demonstrated in court

            And the trial process, the lawyer does not have the right to present evidence to the court, and the court has no right to attach their case? Something you carry a blizzard, dear.
      2. svan26 5 February 2020 09: 36 New
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        God be with him, with juridism! Our press would publish sane investigation data, instead of streams of nonsense! But we have citizens who think and need facts, and not cheap propaganda ...
  • rocket757 4 February 2020 08: 38 New
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    Accused already appointed

    This is understandable ... they were unlikely to be able to prove anything if the COURT were there! And the trial, it is, by order, and "works"!
  • Zaurbek 4 February 2020 08: 45 New
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    The most important thing in our country is that the authorities have stepped back from discussing this topic. In addition to fake with Su25, etc. silence. And there is no consensus on it. In the West, there is a clear consensus!
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 08: 56 New
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      Yes exactly. None of the top officials said that the Boeing shot down the APU. The maximum that they are ready for is “to have very serious questions for investigation” - but, God forbid, do not make any statements. This is because everyone can “have questions”, but for statements, it may be necessary to personally answer later, and this is scary.
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        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 February 2020 09: 20 New
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          Behind unclosed airspace. And the second is for the downed plane.
          For flying in a dangerous space, ICAO has already issued a verdict - Malaysia Airlines is to blame, because it was she who ultimately was responsible for choosing a safe route. And Malaysia Airlines has even paid compensation - https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/3462389
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            I can’t argue here ... there are ICAO rules that you need to know. But the closure of airspace is the owner of the airspace.
    2. The leader of the Redskins 4 February 2020 09: 14 New
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      The article, in general, to put it mildly ... "Skewed" or something ... The author sometimes contradicts herself, and sometimes she tries to pass off verbal foam for reinforced concrete.
      Well, here I have a few comments on his arguments - Dill did not want to hand over the black boxes and had to pick them up in Donetsk? And Donetsk is not the DNI ?!
      Russia was not invited to the commission of inquiry. And why at the very beginning, when the idea of ​​creating a tribunal was put forward, the representative of the UN, the late Churkin, vetoed and declared the prematureness of such a decision?
      And where to stop the flow of fakes, which even in our media poured about the fighter and the two planes next to the Boeing, moreover from the lips of the MO’s husbands, and I’ll generally keep silent about the eyed-eyed “eyewitnesses” ... After that, they flew around. ...
      1. SamVI68 4 February 2020 10: 18 New
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        and the dispatcher de? and the data of the Merkansky satellites de? But the negotiations between the plane and the land? and you hto? God? what did you decide about fighters and eyewitnesses this is a fake? those. Russian nonsense. I ask just once: are you a god? do you know everything for sure? or all your statements of nonsense?
        1. The leader of the Redskins 4 February 2020 10: 26 New
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          Well, I didn’t baptize children with you so that they would poke me ....
          And the materials, including the questions you listed and the answers to them, are a mountain! Look wider and read. And do not blame me for Russophobia or Bandera. I will repeat myself for the hundredth time on this issue - I DO NOT KNOW! I have the right to have an opinion, but I will not say how some who consider themselves to be the last resort!
  • turcom 4 February 2020 08: 48 New
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    You see how the Dutch got up to it, I suppose the overseas braid fell under the tail, they say you pull.
    “In The Hague, they have threatened with a long and high-profile process. Under the pretext of his special publicity, the case will not be considered in the district court building, but in the large hall of the Legal Complex, located near Schiphol Airport..
    Have they copied from the Nuremberg Tribunal?
  • Lamata 4 February 2020 09: 15 New
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    Organize your tribunal, do not recognize the decision of that tribunal.
  • Nitarius 4 February 2020 09: 32 New
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    Something some mats come to mind about all these snakeheads!
    1. Lamata 4 February 2020 09: 39 New
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      Mats are good, but not productive, but I’ll try to beat them with their own bureaucracy and it’s advisable to screw them in my wallet.
    2. SamVI68 4 February 2020 10: 20 New
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      mats are useless here. here even the promise for the abbreviated word from the cherub is replaced by the word why. so sho mat will not reach them. neither literally nor figuratively.
  • Boris55 4 February 2020 09: 48 New
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    Can you imagine what will happen if we, in the midst of this show in Srachsburg, lay out the negotiations between the pilots and the Ukrainian dispatcher?
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      Can you imagine what will happen if we, in the midst of this show in Srachsburg, lay out the negotiations between the pilots and the Ukrainian dispatcher?
      I represent. They will look as if they are thinking hard, because the transcripts of the negotiations between MH17 and the dispatcher have been posted in open access since September 2014.
      1. Boris55 4 February 2020 10: 18 New
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        See how tightly thinking

        There are.

        RST to DNP: So, the Dnieper, Rostov alone. You can give a course (direction) for the Malaysian to Rostov to the RND point, we have three of them here.
        DNP to RST: For Malaysian who are seventeen?
        RST to DNP: Yes, we will return them back to TIKNA.
        DNP to RST: Excellent (ok).
        RST to DNP: Yes thank you.
        13:19:49 DNP to MH17: Malaysian one seven, head straight for ROMEO NOVEMBER DELTA.
        13:19:56 MH17 to DNP: ROMEO NOVEMBER DELTA, Malaysian one seven.
        13:20:00 DNP to MH17: The Malaysian one is seven, and after the point of ROMEO NOVEMBER DELTA the expected direction is TIKNA.
        13:21:10 DNP to MH17: Malaysian one seven, how do you understand me? Malaysian one seven, Dnieper Radar.
        13:21:36 DNP to MH17: Malaysian one seven, Dnieper Radar.
        13:22:02 DNP to MH17: Malaysian one seven, Dnieper Radar.
        13:22:02 RST to DNP I'm listening to you, Rostov on the line.
        DNP to RST: Rostov, do you observe Malaysian by ... regarding the answer?
        RST to DNP: No, it seems that his goal began to decay.
        DNP to RST: Well, also does not answer our calls.
        RST to DNP: And doesn't answer the calls, right?
        DNP to RST: Yes. And we do not see now. That is, you gave them a direction, they confirmed and ...
        RST to DNP: And that’s it, huh?
        DNP to RST: Yes, he has disappeared.
        RST to DNP: Wait, I'll ask.
        DNP to RST: You do not observe anything on the main?
        RST to DNP: Yes, yes, yes, nothing. We do not see anything.
        DNP to RST: Ok, then we will call them.
  • Grandfather Crimea 4 February 2020 09: 50 New
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    All this is strange, when you were hung upside down, the fire at the bottom will soon be flooded))))))))) And the hanging man thinks that the matches will become damp,

    the gas in the lighter runs out or the rope breaks off. Sad
  • 2 Level Advisor 4 February 2020 09: 56 New
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    Well .. And where does Russia? the territory of Ukraine, they flew the plane, the "rebels" are their citizens, the safety of the civilian side is their task ..
    Suppose even our Buk ... and what? let’s for the M-16 delivered somewhere of which they killed someone, or are we forced to answer mattresses for that? Well, why not? Is there evidence of the presence of our servicemen and orders for them to bring down a Boeing from Moscow? Let's goodbye .. Thing-thing - is Thor himself? except for the photo with the number ..
    In addition, it is not clear "Buk" how with one rocket instantly extinguished all the systems of a huge Boeing? Well, what kind of F-16, for a Boeing, the rocket is small .. Bullshit! and if we don’t participate, don’t ask questions during the investigation, even if they reject it, we’ll definitely be guilty
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      For starters, you have the wrong question in the first part:
      If the weapons are delivered officially, by the official army, etc., there are no questions.
      If unofficially and it is used against the same civilian population - you may be an accomplice to terrorism. Do you feel the difference?
      Further. I am an engineer. But give me even an anti-tank system, I’m far from the thought that without an instructor I could even put it together, not that I would shoot and even more so get there. And give me a "patriot" ... I can’t even figure out how to approach him correctly! And you do not need to refer to the grandfathers who still served in the air defense under the Union. They operated on equipment an order of magnitude lower. Conclusion - the operators are also needed for the "book" ...
      1. 2 Level Advisor 4 February 2020 10: 47 New
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        You see, Nazarius, the accusation is not based on logical guesses, but on facts. And only on them. Are there beeches in Ukraine? There is. In Ukraine, in the presence of Buk-operators in service could not be found? And from another country where he is without the knowledge of the government could not come? This is an example of how your logic is being called into question .. And who were the Amer and Turkish weapons officially delivered to the women in Syria? According to this logic, let's sue them as accomplices of terrorists. Whose Kalash are they? Are GPS made in China and drones? With such logic half the world in aiding can be declared ..
        1. The leader of the Redskins 4 February 2020 10: 55 New
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          So everything goes to that! With a black arms market, it’s hard to make a claim. But this is for small arms. With tanks and more powerful complexes is still more difficult. There are beeches on Dill. Therefore, I do not discount them. But who was the first to announce the downing? Militias. Then, the truth came to their senses and turned on the back. And as for the supply of equipment secretly to the allies ... One Cuba in the 60th of which was only worth it!)
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          And from another country where he is without the knowledge of the government could not come?
          When the government, instead of searching, begins to cover all those who have arrived with the full power of the state machine, the questions of whether everything happened with the knowledge of the government disappear by themselves.
  • Oleg Skvortsov 4 February 2020 10: 09 New
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    Everything is as expected. The trial of "what happened to the plane" flowed smoothly into a trivial trial of opponents of euronatsiks in Ukraine.
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  • God save the king 4 February 2020 11: 18 New
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    Now it’s clear why in such a hurry they are preparing “constitutional changes,” where one of the main points is the priority of national law over international law.
    The Basmanny Court will easily block any decision of an international tribunal.
    Checkmate, Russophobia.
  • iouris 4 February 2020 11: 50 New
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    The story of the defeat of the interfering states is repeated. It is necessarily repeated in the form of farce. There is a way out of the situation, power. Those who have no power will disappear. All questions to the leadership of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and to those who, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, determine the foreign policy of the Russian Federation.
    Quote: "Do I have to defend my homeland? But what for do I need this?" (unknown warrant officer). The end of the quote.
  • kriten 4 February 2020 12: 10 New
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    Our sado-masochists in power are waiting in the wings when you can enjoy kicks and spits in the face of Russia, showing Christian humility in anticipation of a fair judgment of God.
  • Dzafdet 4 February 2020 13: 27 New
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    How many letters. And all in vain. It is necessary to send a short telegram to Holland: INNA! And that’s all ....
  • ref25 4 February 2020 13: 35 New
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    It’s unfortunate that they chose the role of the victim
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    It was not necessary to sit at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and distribute booklets among the victims' relatives with a refutation of the lies of bellindink and other rotten experts. And now they will stand as if ....
    And where Rar with his sensational materials, disappeared without a trace.
    Another kind of statement was that the Russian Federation has photographs from satellites of the attack.
  • honest people 4 February 2020 18: 45 New
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    Who are our lawyers?
  • Anchonsha 4 February 2020 22: 17 New
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    No, it’s not a farce, it’s spitting on international law and being elected by individuals, but more by leaders of the countries of the Collective West and NATO, those who are guilty of those people, and faster than countries who do not want to obey other people who wanted to rule the world, as well as violating the rights of victims of a plane crash .
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    I believe that Russia and Malaysia even have something to say. I think the fight will be fierce.
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    I wonder what kind of court the Dutch started.
    Criminal, civil, arbitration, public?