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What are the economies of the EU Eastern Europe: facts about neighbors on the continent

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В представлении некоторых наших сограждан принадлежность любой страны к Европейскому союзу является стопроцентной гарантией того, что большинство ее жителей живут если не совершенно безбедно, то, во всяком случае, весьма обеспеченно. На самом деле все далеко не так однозначно. Членство в ЕС ни для одного государства вовсе не означает автоматически процветание и благоденствие. А для ее населения не является гарантией отсутствия насущных социальных и экономических проблем. В реальности все выглядит несколько иначе.


Собственно говоря, говорить о жизни в странах Западной Европы, пытаясь проводить сравнение с отечественными реалиями, было бы совершенно некорректно. Посему давайте для начала попробуем разобраться с тем, как живут в восточной части Старого Света, где расположены по большей части государства так называемого постсоветского пространства, с которыми у нас гораздо больше общего. Так оно будет справедливее... При этом для начала стоит оговориться, что к «классической» Восточной Европе та же Организация объединенных наций относит ровно 10 стран: Россию, Белоруссию, Украину, Молдавию, Болгарию, Венгрию, Польшу, Румынию, Словакию и Чехию. Ну, о нашей стране речь не идет. О Белоруссии с Украиной и Молдавией тоже говорить не будем – та еще Европа... Да и не члены ЕС они, так что к нашей теме отношения не имеют. Кое-кто правда, к «восточноевропейцам» причисляет еще и жителей Прибалтики, но вот их мы уж точно сейчас трогать не будем. Ну его... Ограничимся списком ООН.

Among all the countries mentioned, there are perhaps three that are truly prosperous: the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Poland. They are referred to states with the so-called "Central European" standard of living, where, again, the average wage is close to 900-1000 euros. To the "big" and rich neighbors like Germany, Denmark or even France, where the level of the same salaries "starts" from 2 thousand euros and reaches 3 thousand, they are, of course, far away. But they live, do not complain. True, at the same time, they are massively leaving for work in more prosperous regions, like the same Poles, forced to make up for the decline in their own workforce by complaisant Ukrainian migrant workers or Czechs who prefer to work in Germany or Austria.

So how do the economies of the EU countries of Eastern Europe live - neighbors on the continent.

Чехия – это, конечно, автомобильный гигант Skoda, сильная химическая промышленность, сильнейшая в Восточной Европе туристическая индустрия, дающая огромный доход бюджету. Ну, и, конечно, пиво. Польша - вообще феномен Евросоюза, где ВВП непрерывно растет уже 23 года, даже после кризисного 2008-го. Низкая безработица, относительно высокие зарплаты. Страна с прекрасно развитым сельским хозяйством, малым предпринимательством и торговлей. Словакия чувствует себя уверенно в основном за счет иностранных инвестиций и прихода в страну таких гигантов, как Volkswagen, Peugeot, Kia Motors, Samsung Electronics, Sony. Опять же, туризм. Да и страна маленькая – ей много не надо.

На этом, собственно, список восточноевропейских «середнячков» заканчивается и начинается разговор о тех странах, которые вынуждены сводить концы с концами. Венгрию к бедным странам так уж однозначно отнести нельзя. Экономику страны «вытягивает» развитое сельское хозяйство, фармакология. А вот когда-то сильную металлургию там умудрились угробить напрочь. Сказывается и практически полное отсутствие собственных природных ресурсов, тех же энергоносителей, от импорта которых страна зависима в очень большой мере. В свое время там в погоне за иностранными инвестициями дали большую свободу транснациональным корпорациям – и это сейчас тоже идет государству вовсе не на пользу. Тем не менее, в сравнении с той же Румынией или Болгарией дела венгров еще очень неплохи.

Вот этим двум странам распад социалистического лагеря точно не пошел на пользу. Странное дело – та же Румыния по территории является крупнейшей в регионе, обладает неслабыми запасами «черного золота», добывает его, даже производит оборудование для нефтепромыслов, в последнее время пытается развивать туризм – а все что-то не клеится, не получается выбиться из списка «неблагополучных» стран, вечно ждущих от Брюсселя дотаций и помощи. С Болгарией дело и того хуже. Вроде, и море свое имеется, и сельское хозяйство в комплекте с весьма развитой перерабатывающей и пищевой отраслью. А как оказались «братушки» в числе европейских «нищебродов», так и пребывают в этом печальном статусе по сей день. Курорты их ни с греческими, ни даже с турецкими конкуренции не выдерживают, а вино и дары полей в жестоко регулируемой квотами и разрешениями торговой системе ЕС тоже никому особо не нужны. С газом вот тоже все никак не получается. Возможно, дело в желании угодить одновременно всем и сразу, раз за разом выходящем Софии боком?

But all these countries can proudly consider their blue flag with a ring of gold stars ... Well, what can I say? Europe - it is also different. At the same time, the same economic successes in Poland are primarily explained not by juicy apples, but by large loans from EU banks. But sooner or later, loans will have to be paid. And what will happen to the economies of the countries of the European Union in Eastern Europe in the case of 100% payments, is a separate issue.
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  1. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 4 February 2020 07: 57
    +2
    Primitively, the true alignment is as follows. But the author should reinforce his reasoning with statistics. By the way, Bulgaria and Romania in terms of per capita GDP are not so far behind such a developed state as Russia. By the way, Russian resorts are also somehow inferior to Turkish, Egyptian and Thai. hi
    1. 210ox
      210ox 4 February 2020 08: 56
      +7
      By the way, Romania per capita is even higher than Russia. For some reason, the author did not catch the Baltic states.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 4 February 2020 08: 58
      +11
      The author crumpled and in his own way presented the information. I would like to ask him if he has ever been to Europe? At all?
      Hungary. The author forgot to mention a very developed tourism - the most beautiful Budapest attracts travelers from all over the world! Nor did he mention Hungarian mechanical engineering. Yes, Ikarus is not, but other European giants have entered.
      And another plus of the countries of the European Union is the relocation in order to improve their material situation. After all, we also traveled north with the Union. And it was not considered shameful. So they are now.
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 9 February 2020 13: 00
        0
        The author crumpled and in his own way presented information

        At VO vacancies are open, but you did not go to them to write articles. Therefore, read what they give; there are no other authors on VO.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 9 February 2020 13: 27
          -1
          If you look at my profile, you will find that I have about ten published articles. Some of them are just in Eastern Europe. But I describe what I see, and not do analyzes based on rumors.
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 February 2020 09: 02
      +1
      Turkish - a lot of what and where inferior. Had a rest in Max Royal (both) - the price is decent, but you also feel in paradise on Earth. )))
      1. lucul
        lucul 4 February 2020 11: 03
        +1
        Turkish - a lot of what and where inferior. Had a rest in Max Royal (both) - the price is decent, but you also feel in paradise on Earth. )))

        Yes, the secret is simple - like three pennies - let vacationers amuse their Sense of Self-Grandeur (ChSV) and that's all - it is for them a paradise on Earth right away ....
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 4 February 2020 11: 09
          +3
          The secret is much simpler - "free" XO cognacs and 25-year-old whiskeys are included in the money that you paid)) A free XNUMX-hour bar and sushi, three free-standing restaurants with cool food, an artificial sandy beach, every night a disco on this beach, (Ukrainian , mostly girls from the staff dance on the banks) every weekend a free concert of Russian or world stars, holiday dinners, landscape design, balconies with a jacuzzi hidden by reeds - why not paradise? laughing
          1. 1959ain
            1959ain 4 February 2020 12: 24
            -1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            every weekend a free concert of Russian or world stars, holiday dinners, landscape design, balconies with a jacuzzi hidden by reeds - why not paradise?

            Рай скоро закончится , война с Турцией не за горами и дома от землетрясения последнего там хорошо складываются
          2. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 4 February 2020 14: 26
            +2
            Quote: Krasnodar
            The secret is much simpler - "free" XO cognacs and 25-year-old whiskeys are included in the money that you paid))

            The secret is actually even simpler, and it sounds like "on vacation you need to rest and not worry about" how much money will be taken from me in the restaurant \ beach \ bathhouse "," will there be a place on the beach ", etc." there is the main feature "all inclusive", the person does not psychologically strain on the subject of whether I have enough money for a return ticket? will there be enough money for a water park? will there be enough money to * substitute the right thing * ... At the World Cup, they are pulling money from you for everything and everyone, and the most disgusting thing you have no idea who, how many and how many times will take money off you, as a result, there is no psychological relief in Time relax...
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 4 February 2020 14: 34
              +4
              That's right - moreover, I delayed after the checkout for a couple of hours, ate near the airport - after the guest it was a pity to pay at least some money for such a quality of food
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 February 2020 09: 13
      +9
      Quote: bessmertniy
      By the way, Bulgaria and Romania in terms of per capita GDP are not so far behind such a developed state as Russia.

      But the salary in Romania in 1999 was 60 euros, Russia 63 (4 euros higher), but already in 2018 Romania 600 euros, and Russia 516 euros. Their prices are also lower (for products).
      1. lucul
        lucul 4 February 2020 11: 07
        -2
        Their prices are also lower (for products).

        So what ?
        My acquaintances were in Bulgaria a couple of years ago - and even fired up there to buy a two-storey house of 120 square meters on the beach. Moreover, the price of the baby is $ 15 in total. Until they found out - that the communal apartment, for such a house, you need to pay $ 000 monthly, that is, for the year you will give exactly $ 1.
        So much for Europe ....
        1. Yehudi Menuhin
          Yehudi Menuhin 4 February 2020 11: 15
          +1
          No need to carry a blizzard. Firstly, for 15 yuro you can buy a coat, and secondly, a communal apartment in no way 000
          1. lucul
            lucul 4 February 2020 11: 17
            +2
            No need to carry a blizzard

            In Italy, some real estate (luxury by our standards) is generally sold for 1-2 euros)))
            1. Yehudi Menuhin
              Yehudi Menuhin 5 February 2020 08: 26
              0
              Yes it is. But there is a completely different case, is not it? )))
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 February 2020 11: 53
          0
          Quote: lucul
          So much for Europe ....

          That's why she and Europe, beautiful in appearance, and rotten from the inside.
          1. pytar
            pytar 4 February 2020 12: 18
            +1
            That's why she and Europe, beautiful in appearance, and rotten from the inside.

            For half a century living in "light" socialism, we waited for the West to rot! While they waited, our socialism rotted away ... We are waiting for the "rotten" Europe to finally rot. We are waiting, but with caution, taught by the previous negative experience ... what
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 4 February 2020 12: 46
              +1
              Quote: pytar
              For half a century living in "light" socialism, we waited for the West to rot!

              You understand the word "rot" as, to decompose, to be destroyed, undergoing rotting. You are right, but I write "rotten" it is like - a rotten person, a rotten soul.
              1. pytar
                pytar 4 February 2020 13: 04
                +2
                Dear Vlad hi the world is heading to no one knows where! I suspect the coming global climate catastrophe will change everything! As for "rotten little souls", I would not stick such stamps. In modern capitalist Russia, which I know well, it is no better with this. There are also successful examples in the world. Capitalism / conditional / are different!
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 4 February 2020 13: 27
                  0
                  Quote: pytar
                  In modern capitalist Russia, which I know well, this is no better.

                  It is not possible to argue with this. I agree.
        3. pytar
          pytar 4 February 2020 12: 09
          +2
          My acquaintances were in Bulgaria a couple of years ago - and even fired up there to buy a two-storey house of 120 square meters on the beach. Moreover, the price of the baby is $ 15 in total. Until they found out - that the communal apartment, for such a house, you need to pay $ 000 monthly, that is, for the year you will give exactly $ 1.

          Nothing to do with reality! Sucked out of your fingers! For 15 thousand. you can’t even buy a green garage in the coastal strip! negative
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 4 February 2020 13: 29
            0
            Quote: pytar
            For 15 thousand. you can’t even buy a green garage in the coastal strip!

            A few years ago it was possible, but only there were many gypsies.
    5. anykin
      anykin 4 February 2020 11: 33
      0
      Quote: bessmertniy
      By the way, Bulgaria and Romania in terms of per capita GDP are not so far behind such a developed state as Russia. By the way, Russian resorts are also somehow inferior to Turkish, Egyptian and Thai.

      We are not in the beautiful EU.
    6. pytar
      pytar 4 February 2020 11: 43
      +3
      As for Bulgaria, the article is not objective and does not correspond with the facts! It is necessary to compare the indicators from the previous years, in order to understand whether there is growth or vice versa! In the 90s, Bulgaria was bankrupt - a default was declared! Debts at times exceeded gold reserves. Now Bulgaria is among the top three countries with the best Debt / GDP ratio.

      The financial system is stable, the economy generates sustainable growth of 3,2-3,8%. According to this indicator, it is among the first 5 countries of the EU. In 2019, GDP broke a historical record! By the size of its foreign exchange reserves, Bulgaria is even ahead of China and Russia.

      Экономика развивается балансированно. В 2019 г. пришло 9,3 млн. туристы, на 0,4% больше чем в рекордной 2018 г. Селское хозяйство в 2019 г. принесло ок. 5 млрд. евро! Оно у нас сезонное, есть и импорт, в целом получается в +1 млрд. евра! Болгария вышла среди мровых лидеров по производство и экспорту зерновых и масличных культур! По высококачественной /хлебной/ пшенице - 11 место, кукуруз - 11 место, рапса - 8 место, по экспорту черного масличного подсолнечника -2 место, лаванда -1 место и т.д. Производство тепличных овощей, постоянно увеличивается. В 2018 г. рост был 28%. Очень перспективное биоземеделие! За 7 лет площадь участков увеличилась в 6 раз. С 2017 г. Болгария вышла на 1 место в ЕС, по производство трав и приправ. Растет производство молоко и мястных продуктов, экспорт вина тоже растет, при том идет речь о качественные сорты, которые регулярно получают наград на международных выставках. В процентное выражение, БГ занимает 24,5% мирового рынка утиной печени. Консервированная вишня имеет долю 19,7%, мясо утки - 13,3%.
      It should be borne in mind that we are talking about a small country on the territory with an area of ​​only 110 thousand. sq. km., while 2/3 of them are mountains!
      В других секторах экономики, дела тоже идут хорошо! С 2016 года Болгария экспортирует больше электроники и электрических продуктов, чем импортирует. Рост экспорта в 10% за последние пять лет, в то время как мировой импорт увеличился на 4% за тот же период. В 2018 году этих товаров было экспортировано на 3,5 млрд. евра или более 12% общего экспорта страны. В целом, за последние 11 лет экспорт электроники и электротехники из Болгарии увеличился в 4 раза! Для когото прозвучит невероятно, но например в 2018 году Болгария экспортировала данные товары в Германию на более чем 600 млн евра (холодильники, электрические аппараты, автомобильные кабели, электронные табло, пульты, панели, консоли и др.). Экспорт машин и оборудования также показывает хорошие результаты и имеет рост 5%, в то время как мировой импорт растет с 2%. С особо быстрыми темпами развивается автоиндустрия, добавляя 1 млрд. евра! Но самы быстро развивающийся отрасль это IT ! Болгарские програмисты входят в топ-5 мировых, и ценятся весьма высоко. Кстати Болгария является лидером ЕС по количеству женщин, работающих в IT секторе.
      Today, the Bulgarian economy is leading in competitiveness among the economies of other Balkan countries. In 2019, Bulgaria took 40th place in the global ranking of innovations.
      Инфраструктура обновляется, строятся много обыектов. Автомагистрали было построенно и строятся в разах больше, чем за всю историю.
      This is about the economy, but in terms of income! If you ask the Bulgarians how they live, they will complain. Where with the base, where without. National Feature! According to statistics, the Bulgarians really receive the lowest wages in the EU. On the other hand, the level of consumer prices in Bulgaria is much lower than in other countries of the Union. Eurostat data on consumer prices for 10 types of goods and services in the EU in 2018 show that Bulgaria has the lowest consumer prices at 7.
      Надо отметить, что многие болгары зарабатывают дополнительно, не декларируя при том своих реальных доходов. Как говорят у нас - Болгария не страна с самые низкие доходы, а страна с самой большой доли укрытые доходы. За последних 10 -15 лет реальные доходы уверенно растут. ЕИП опубликовал сопоставительный доклад о состоянии рынка труда в ЕС в 2018 году за последние 10 лет. Из доклада становится ясно, что Болгария является рекордером по реальному росту средней заработной платы за период 2009-2018 гг. почти в 90 %. При том инфляция не превышает 2-3%. Безработица в Болгарии достигла исторически самого низкого уровня в 3,7%, отмечает Евростат.
      It should be noted that almost 2 million Bulgarians work in the West. The phenomena are generally negative, but there are some peculiarities! If, for example, migrant workers working in Russia removed $ 2019 billion from the country in 141,4, then Bulgarians working in a foreign country sent almost 1 billion euros to their homeland in the same year!
      An increase in living standards leads to changes in public attitudes. If earlier 90% of young people dreamed of emigrating, 87% of young Bulgarians saw their future in Bulgaria.
      Largely successes associated with Bulgaria's EU membership. It should be said that as a result, the majority of 58-62% of Bulgarians positively assess the country's membership in the Union.
      I will finish mentioning about the problems! There are such people and they are very serious! First place is the demographic crisis! Eerie, fatally dangerous stuff! Here Bulgaria is not an exception, the whole "white race" is hidden! The second most important is high corruption! She eats up huge funds and so far, the fight against her does not give results. The third most important problem is social stratification, it is a fact! So ... I intended to write Korotenko, but it turned out to be a whole article! I repent! I'm sorry!
      1. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 4 February 2020 20: 49
        +2
        In percentage terms, BG occupies 24,5% of the global duck liver market. Canned cherries have a share of 19,7%, duck meat - 13,3%.
        .
        In 2010, all of Europe as a whole had 12% of the world's duck meat. Each duck has only one liver and the share of the pan-European duck liver cannot exceed 12% for physiological reasons. Asia and China are the leaders in the production of duck meat, as there are powerful culinary traditions associated with duck meat for this.
        1. pytar
          pytar 5 February 2020 11: 20
          0
          Each duck has only one liver and the share of the pan-European duck liver cannot exceed 12%

          The information that I have differs from yours. I quote (my translation):
          Европа самы крупны производитель утиной пастета в мире с 95% доли. Фpанция производит ¾ от етих количествах. (2017 г.) 80% из "французского" пастета, является перекупленным и переэтикированным произведенны в Болгарии. Кстати они два вида. За 2016 г. Франция "произвела" с учета болгарского 19 тысь. т., а Болгария без учета переправленного для Франции - 2,5 тысь. тонна.
          By the way, many other products manufactured in Bulgaria are re-ethicized and sold under foreign brands. For example, Bulgarian cheese, it goes in Greece, where it is packaged and exported, as Greek.
          1. ycuce234-san
            ycuce234-san 6 February 2020 20: 21
            +1
            Europe itself is the largest producer of duck pasta in the world with a 95% share.

            Then it’s clear - we are talking about a narrow subcategory - paste, and not about the liver itself.
            Duck, as I understand it, is produced in Bulgaria by the Americans - the well-known American duck-making company operating in the country?
            1. pytar
              pytar 6 February 2020 21: 06
              0
              Полистал из интернета, в правда не стал углублятся в темой. Насколько понял, еще в 2012 г. по производство утиное и гусиное мясо, как и проч продуктов связнанные с ним, Болгария вырвалас в передовых мест. Помню, этот бизнес интересовал многие и был часто предмет в разговорах. В 2014 г. 5 местные фирмы, которые поименно знаю, производили 7 т. мясо, а еще было сотни других. Американская фирма начала свой бизнес в БГ в 2016 г. Как там все соотносится, имею в виду пастет, печень, мясо, признаюс я не в курсе. Покупаю готовые продукты в баночки, все они из болгарских производителей. drinks
    7. 1959ain
      1959ain 4 February 2020 12: 20
      +2
      Quote: bessmertniy
      By the way, Russian resorts are also somehow inferior to Turkish, Egyptian and Thai.

      It’s cooler right, Sochi is located north of Turkey
    8. fruit_cake
      fruit_cake 9 February 2020 00: 58
      0
      gdp what? to compare technological production and agriculture in general is a crazy idea
  2. Lamata
    Lamata 4 February 2020 07: 58
    +8
    Something like that so galloping across Europe.
    1. The little wink
      The little wink 4 February 2020 08: 31
      +3
      Quote: Lamata
      Something like that so galloping across Europe.

      Yes, really lightweight. I thought they would give a full alignment by years, by growth or decline, by prospects, etc. From Bulgaria to VO, there are two three users can describe in more detail. I talked with Czechs, Slovaks, Croats, Poles and hosted them at my place, I know about the situation from Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria and haven’t received tourists yet.
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 6 February 2020 17: 29
        +1
        From Bulgaria to VO there are two three users can describe in more detail.


        Yes, I can make a decent article, I am an economist, but the last time I was told that I did not know Russian, and VO was a Russian resource and I went to the forest ... laughing
  3. pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 4 February 2020 08: 00
    -1
    Very informative!
  4. Grandfather Crimea
    Grandfather Crimea 4 February 2020 08: 01
    -2
    Украину ждёт участь Болгарии.Промышлемкость придёт в упадок.ОСТАНЕТСЯ туризм,сельское хозяйство,а народ на заработках пополняет бюджет гос-ва ))))))))
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 4 February 2020 08: 20
      0
      In Ukraine, industry has already arrived.
    2. Chervonny
      Chervonny 4 February 2020 10: 34
      +2
      The industry in Ukraine, it can be said already in decline. And with agriculture they are not doing well, even badly.
  5. Romka
    Romka 4 February 2020 08: 38
    -1
    Лучше всего наверное в Черногории, ну это,если судить по количеству купленной там россиянами недвижимости. wink
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 February 2020 08: 59
      +1
      Quote: Romka
      Лучше всего наверное в Черногории, ну это,если судить по количеству купленной там россиянами недвижимости. wink

      I have a friend there, one of the first Russian developers)) Everything calls there - but who didn’t ask, it’s an ordinary East European hole.
    2. Lamata
      Lamata 4 February 2020 09: 08
      0
      a friend of mine lived in Montenegro for a year - there are extremely special people there, lazy. By the way, many of us from there are falling right now, it is difficult to do business.
      1. The little wink
        The little wink 4 February 2020 10: 46
        -2
        Quote: Lamata
        a friend of mine lived in Montenegro for a year - there are extremely special people there, lazy. By the way, many of us from there are falling right now, it is difficult to do business.

        хорват убеждал что сербы и хорваты это два разных народа , серб убеждал что они один народ только одни католики другие православные , бошняки тоже с сербами один народ только мусульмане, черногорцы тоже один народ только горцы. Интересно у Европы получится создать нацию-народ европеец , или все рухнет и не получиться как в союзе не получилось создать один народ-нацию советские.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 4 February 2020 13: 50
          +3
          Will not work. All too different and all too many.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 4 February 2020 08: 40
    +1
    As everywhere and always ... some live at the expense of others! This is for the time being, until they give ... at one "perfect" moment they can stop giving! It is very likely that the moment is approaching.
  7. likana
    likana 4 February 2020 08: 41
    +4
    The topic is interesting, but served superficially. The title of the article turned out to be more interesting than its content.
  8. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 4 February 2020 08: 58
    +4
    The author forgot Slovenia, which overtook France, Italy, and Spain)). Although they are former Yugoslavs and half the Protestant population - nonetheless.
    1. Romka
      Romka 4 February 2020 09: 58
      +2
      I agree, but what does religious affiliation have? Although ... if you recall the same Sweden, Denmark - there is reason to think.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 February 2020 10: 16
        +5
        Protestantism was originally conceived as a “religion of artisans" - i.e. work is a blessing, a gift from heaven, not punishment, etc. Roughly - Schaub the kids were working and thrifty.
    2. Evil543
      Evil543 4 February 2020 17: 09
      +1
      The author did not upload your photo? Harvesting apples on the plantation of the father-in-law hi hello to the sufferers.
  9. Lamata
    Lamata 4 February 2020 09: 09
    0
    By the way, why didn’t they include the Baltic states, or is it related to northern Europe.
    1. Romka
      Romka 4 February 2020 10: 03
      -2
      They generally do not belong. laughing . эти края я частенько посещаю. Выделил бы из них Эстонию. И люди приятные и живут они достаточно неплохо. В Таллинне хорошая городская инфраструктура.
      1. Lamata
        Lamata 4 February 2020 10: 23
        0
        But in general, the standard of living is higher than in the Russian Federation? I just never was there. in the Baltic states.
        1. Romka
          Romka 4 February 2020 11: 07
          0
          Как уже сказал выше - Эстония, и это видно по дорогам, по застройке, по авто . Но их всего проживает немногим больше миллиона. А вот в Латвии - можно проехать километров 100 по дороге и повстречать пару авто. Мой друг живет в Риге, приезжал в этом году в гости в РБ. Побывав в Минске - он был в шоке от широких дорог, количества новостроек (занимаясь установкой дорогой кухонной мебели у чувака глаза просто горели). У них с работой похуже - работает то в Берлине, то в Копенгагине. В Юрмале до сих пор стоит например закрытый деревянный ларек- обменник. wink . Литовская Паланга намного"круче". что ли. Но самый прикол: я нигде не видел в Европе такое количество кабриолетов,как в Вильнюсе. Литовцы еще те понторезы! А жизнь там дорогая, все активные лабусы свалили в Англию, Ирландию,Норвегию и т.д. В общем я в РБ себя чувствую получше.
        2. Ros 56
          Ros 56 4 February 2020 11: 21
          0
          At the expense of the entire Soviet Union, they lived very well, but now the tram has left and at the same time 25-30% of the population has left, it can be seen on that tram.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 4 February 2020 11: 18
        +1
        Did you do it yourself or did you rebuild the whole Union after the war? what
  10. BIABIA
    BIABIA 4 February 2020 09: 15
    +6
    About the resorts of Bulgaria. Was the author there or what? I have been in Turkey and Bulgaria, and more than once. Resorts in Bulgaria are not inferior to Turkish. Depends on the hotel. And yet, unlike the Turks, Egyptians, Tunisians, Bulgarians in the markets do not pull you to themselves, there is no obsession with this unpleasant. And the attitude towards the Russians is very good, at least on the coast, in the areas of Burgas and Varna. And they themselves do not live richly, yes, but the prices are not prohibitive.
    1. Lamata
      Lamata 4 February 2020 09: 37
      +2
      Keep!
  11. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 4 February 2020 11: 25
    -1
    At the same time, the same economic successes in Poland are primarily explained not by juicy apples, but by large loans from EU banks. But sooner or later, loans will have to be paid. And what will happen to the economies of the countries of the European Union in Eastern Europe in the case of 100% payments, is a separate issue.

    As far as I remember, in the summer of 2020, Poland will receive the last tranche from Brussels for 75 billion euros, and there - on their own. Help is running out. So we'll have a look. That is why the Polish elite are already frantically looking for someone to get money from on far-fetched pretexts of "reparations" on the theme of World War II.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 4 February 2020 11: 58
      +2
      I read the article, read the comments and realized one thing - despite the richest goodies for the industry that Russia possesses, we, against the background of the negotiated states, look very, very deplorable. I will not say that it is too bad, but taking into account the above said about "goodies" - very bad. And the comprador capitalism aimed at selling is to blame for this. Not to develop, but to sell. And Russia has something to sell. And this is just - "goodies". There are, of course, exceptions, but these are just exceptions. Abidna, panimash.
      1. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko 4 February 2020 12: 03
        +1
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        I read the article, read the comments and realized one thing - despite the richest goodies for the industry that Russia possesses, we, against the background of the negotiated states, look very, very deplorable. I will not say that it is too bad, but taking into account the above said about "goodies" - very bad. And the comprador capitalism aimed at selling is to blame for this. Not to develop, but to sell.

        Well yes.
        Just the other day there was an article https://topwar.ru/167410-rossija-stroitsja-obnovljaetsja-razvivaetsja.html
        Like, calm down, everything is being built with us. I ran a text through my eyes - yeah ... a production complex, another production, processing, infrastructure for export ...
        In general, much is being built, but for the most part - it’s stupid for the further sale of resources.
        High-tech and factories for goods with high added value as the cat was crying, so in general it remains.
      2. nickname7
        nickname7 8 February 2020 14: 43
        +1
        Do not develop, but sell

        Sell ​​raw materials.
        And here it seems that a pitfall is being identified, specializing only in raw materials, this industry is apparently becoming important and it is being taken from the Russian Federation. In particular, the aluminum industry belongs to the west.
        Холдингом Е+ управляет британский лорд Баркер и директора из США.
        For a minute, E + includes Rusal, bauxite and all the aluminum, a bunch of hydroelectric power plants (Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric power station, Irkutsk hydroelectric power station and 11 thermal power plants) and the GAZ group.
    2. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 6 February 2020 17: 37
      +1
      As far as I remember, in the summer of 2020 Poland will receive the last tranche

      Help ends. So we will take a look.


      But no. From the gate, turn - budget frame 2020-2027 approved and there Poland is. Money is less than 15% or so. I ask on the website of the European Commission, everything is described there.