A place has been determined for the preparation of Russian astronauts for landing on the moon


With reference to the press service of Roscosmos RIA News provides data on the future flight to the moon. Recall that the idea of ​​“conquering” the moon in Roskosmos has been hatched for a long time, however, the timing is often shifted - for various reasons.


The new message says that at this stage, preparatory work is underway for a future flight. At the same time, it is noted that the place for preparation for the future landing of astronauts on the natural satellite of the Earth has already been chosen. About where this training place is located, not yet reported. It is noted that Russian cosmonauts will be trained there for flights on the Orel spacecraft.

Earlier, the ship "Orel" was called the "Federation", but in Roscosmos it was decided that the Russian space ship should have a masculine name.

According to preliminary data, Orel can accommodate a crew of up to 6 people with an active life of up to one year. The manned flight of the "Eagle" to the moon is currently planned for 2029. Prior to this, the "Eagle" should work out as part of an unmanned mission in near-Earth and near-moon orbits.

The launch of the ship into outer space should be carried out using the Angara-5 launch vehicle.

The plans of Roscosmos include the creation of a station on the moon and the transportation of lunar soil to Earth.
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  1. Far B 4 February 2020 06: 13 New
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    Honored Trampoline of Russia D.O. Rogozin continues to exude floodlights ... He already even hinted to Medvedev that enough to generate dreams, it would be time to mark real affairs. If Medvedev, who himself did not generate anything except snoring, condescended to such advice, then, as it seems to me, everything is hopeless with Mr. Rogozin.
    1. Uncle lee 4 February 2020 06: 19 New
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      A place has been determined for the preparation of Russian astronauts for landing on the moon
      Only defined a place, and about everything else, only plans ...
      1. Victor_B 4 February 2020 06: 29 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Only a place is defined, but about everything else, only in plans ...

        Well, you are an interesting person!
        Once you have identified a place, then consider - there is no turning back!
        After all, before the start of the lunar program (in 10 years), the most important thing to know is the landing site!
        After all, it’s clear to the hedgehog that if you haven’t made the final and irrevocable decision in which hotel in Thailand you will stay in 3 years (in the hope that the money MAY be), then there’s nothing to think about rest at all.
        1. Uncle lee 4 February 2020 06: 34 New
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          Well, you are an inattentive person! Only the place of preparation for landing is determined! The landing site is a secret! Who knows what .... wink
          1. Victor_B 4 February 2020 06: 36 New
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            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Only the landing site is determined

            Something I do not catch up ...
            Decided which office will discuss?
            Well, what a business!
            What are your plans !!! (It is necessary to write a road map, again business plan, presentation)
          2. SHURUM -BURUM 4 February 2020 06: 37 New
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            The landing site is a secret! Who knows ...
            Do you mean the pavilion number at Mosfilm? laughing
            1. Victor_B 4 February 2020 06: 40 New
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              Quote: SHURUM -BURUM
              Do you mean the pavilion number at Mosfilm?

              Well, they’ll definitely not be allowed to go to Gllywood.
              Fedya! Bondarchuk! Get ready!
              Better Mikhalkov. Under solar sails, with portraits of Stalin!
              1. maxim947 4 February 2020 07: 05 New
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                however, deadlines are often shifted - for various reasons.

                There is one reason - they have no money.
                1. Range 4 February 2020 07: 23 New
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                  Will land on the place where the Americans "landed" once. Here it will be hilarious if they do not find the mattress flag and traces of Hollywood actors. And the state penguins will declare, everyone dared a space storm ...
              2. Leeds 4 February 2020 08: 03 New
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                1969 - 2029 = -60 ...
                All available resources must be invested so as not to break the deadline. This is very important because for our people.
            2. Uncle lee 4 February 2020 06: 40 New
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              It was already in Hollywood .... You can not repeat! stop
              1. Victor_B 4 February 2020 06: 44 New
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                Quote: Uncle Lee
                It was already in Hollywood .... You can not repeat!

                And on Dovzhenko too.
                1. Filxnumx 4 February 2020 14: 21 New
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                  If you ask for money for the Dovzhenko film studio, then you are contacting the wrong address. And by the way, why do you need money? All Ukraine and so continuous "cinema and Germans (banderlog)"
        2. Polite Moose 4 February 2020 07: 01 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          Well, you are an interesting person!
          Once you have identified a place, then consider - there is no turning back!

          Not the fact that there is a road forward, or sideways. But there is a PLACE !!! And you can stomp on it, and for a very long time. And you can also say that we are in the PLACE (writing separately) !!! smile
          1. Victor_B 4 February 2020 07: 06 New
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            Quote: Polite Moose
            But there is a PLACE !!!

            Asks, of course, a quote from the movie ...
            But we don’t get used to stand death.
            No step back! Prepare for the detachment!
      2. Sova 4 February 2020 08: 51 New
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        "not yet reported. It is noted that there will be training for Russian astronauts for flights on the Orel spacecraft." And how will they get there to be trained for flights on the Orel spacecraft
      3. Simargl 4 February 2020 21: 50 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Only defined a place, and about everything else, only plans ...
        Not so easy a place, training. About the landing - while they are silent. There is no ship or rocket yet.
    2. K-612-O 4 February 2020 07: 09 New
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      Well, start with the fact that Musk promised to land his craft on Mars in 2018, so don't drool. And Rogozin has nothing to do with it, that's all. IKI RAS is in charge of all this, and there are still academicians.
      1. Far B 4 February 2020 07: 41 New
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        Well, let's start with what Musk promised
        Not, to begin with, that Mask is not interesting to me at all, since it has nothing to do with Roscosmos. What kind of fashion is it to poke a finger in a puddle - but they, they say, are also shitty? I don’t give a damn to me that they have shit there, I need to make it normal here, and not listen to the verbal diarrhea of ​​those who
        nothing to do with it, here at all

        so don't drool
        Rudeness is, like, cool, in your opinion? Well, enjoy it if there is nothing more.
        1. K-612-O 4 February 2020 08: 11 New
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          So you have rudeness towards your country and people in a particular industry, which has been in ruin for 20 years thanks to the Swordsman with the drunk and his own people, and which is only just beginning to creep out. You don’t know what kind of people and how they work there, especially developers and designers, how hard it has been to crawl without import for the last 5 years.
          1. Far B 4 February 2020 08: 19 New
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            So you have rudeness to your country
            In which place? The fact that I express criticism, seeing the flaws - do you consider this rudeness? In your opinion, is it better to close your eyes to imperfections, thereby encouraging further balobolstvo, inaction and impunity?
            which for 20 years was in ruin thanks to the Swordman with the drunk and his own people, and which is only just beginning to creep out
            So what are the achievements of the last 20 blessed years, if Roscosmos still uses Soviet achievements?
            how much work has been able to creep out without import for the last 5 years
            What prevented this from happening before? It was 20 years for a buildup, but in addition to blah blah blah, for today, in fact, we have nothing.
            1. K-612-O 4 February 2020 08: 28 New
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              Today we have completely different Unions and Progress. These are no longer Soviet ships, only externally. Where were the electronics and materials science industry 20 years ago? Where are the personnel from these industries? Where is the plant to them. Khrunicheva? Is everything probably from the good life of all industries?
              And at zero, the main task was to pay salaries and pensions to the population and pay off the debts of the same two gifted.
              Do you have any idea how cross-industry cooperation is built up, what is development, production, production itself? You can kill in a few months, and then you can not restore it after 30 years.
              You did not work with Roscosmos and you don’t imagine the situation, but you criticize and demand with Komsomol enthusiasm, and you do not offer anything criticizing.
              1. Far B 4 February 2020 08: 41 New
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                One more time:
                It was 20 years for a buildup, but in addition to blah blah blah, for today, in fact, we have nothing
                And with those like you, the defenders of the talker Rogozin, we will not have. All the best.
              2. Roman070280 4 February 2020 09: 34 New
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                Today we have completely different Unions and Progress. These are no longer Soviet ships, only externally. Where were the electronics and materials science industry 20 years ago?


                An empty chatter .. "completely different" - this is the level of the 40s of the last century .. in comparison with what happened in the 60s .. That’s where you could really say about other ships .. without a reputation as a talker ..
                And now .. even the radio-electronic industry and material science, which over the past 20 years have gone so far, have not changed anything in this regard ..
                At the same time, one should not forget that this "electronic industry" is by no means the achievement of Russia over the past 20-30 years .. our country is certainly not a guru in this area ..
                So if some missiles were able to be modernized by replacing the reels with a microcircuit, then .. Oh, come on ..

                Against the background of the fact that 50 years ago, our AMS regularly flew to Mars, Venus, the Moon .. what is happening now is just a step into the abyss ..
                1. Filxnumx 4 February 2020 14: 32 New
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                  Against the background of the fact that 50 years ago, our AMS regularly flew to Mars, Venus, the Moon ..

                  The process of regular flights is, of course, good. But with the reliability of these same "regular" is no longer good. With Mars, so in general, the seams ...
              3. Simargl 4 February 2020 21: 56 New
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                Quote: K-612-O
                Today we have completely different Unions and Progress. These are no longer Soviet ships, only externally.
                Strongly different then? Electronics are a little better, at the level of world standards 10-20 years ago: it is easier than relays and lamps, but it does not get much better - you can take a little more stock with you. Well, the oxygen apparatus has become 10 times smaller (now like a first-aid kit, not a suitcase).
                From the point of view of the astronauts, things just got worse: people, on average, grew up, and the spacecraft remained the same. Even not very big Chinese immediately washed down the QC a little more when copying.
          2. Roman070280 4 February 2020 09: 29 New
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            So you have rudeness to your country and people in a particular industry,

            Which country is such an attitude towards it ..
            What industry is that attitude towards it ..
        2. Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 February 2020 08: 22 New
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          But you yourself are doing the same. I will illustrate home-made examples.
          Title: "Such and such RTOs were launched in Russia."
          Comment: "Why rejoice? China, won’t write destroyers in a year!"
          Title: "Gazprom has set a record for selling gas."
          Comment: "Why rejoice? More than half of Russia is not gasified!"
          Title: "Russia has come out on top in the sale of wheat."
          Comment: "Why rejoice? We have twenty million below the poverty line!"
          And so on to infinity.

          Not all plans come true, but they must be created, because otherwise, in fact, it is impossible to act.
          But you, and your like-minded people, have only jerking and lamenting. Monotonously somehow.
          1. Far B 4 February 2020 08: 32 New
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            Generally incorrect examples. You have: “launched”, “set a record”, “took the first place” - that is, events that have already taken place, some, but achievements that already take place. And in this particular article we are talking about determining a place for preparing cosmonauts for a mission that does not exist in the project yet (Rogozin’s dreams, even voiced, are a little not a project).
            By the way, what is wrong with your objections? Are they wrong?
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 February 2020 08: 36 New
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              You don’t understand anything at all. And there is something to understand.
            2. K-612-O 4 February 2020 08: 40 New
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              I’ll upset you, there is a project, and even R&D with OCD has been launched, and in various industries. And by the way, here the result is more dependent not on Roscosmos, but on related industries ranging from medicine to Rosatom.
              1. Roman070280 4 February 2020 09: 43 New
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                the result is more dependent not on Roscosmos, but on related industries ranging from medicine to Rosatom.

                In short, when after another 20 years no one will fly anywhere - there will be no guilty .. Go figure it out which of the doctors messed up ..))

                PS .. the truth is, a thinking person, before writing like this, should have a thought - why did the same Korolev not attribute anything to the doctors ... and why do we need such Rogozin then ...
                Oh well .. I'm too demanding ..
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 February 2020 10: 48 New
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                  when after another 20 years no one will fly anywhere - there will be no guilty

                  Well, self-confidence, however! You have absolutely definitely seen that in twenty years no one will fly anywhere, so you decided not to wait for these twenty years, and you started to judge and condemn right now.
                  I'm too demanding

                  That's for sure. But only to others. You are invariably generous and all-forgiving to yourself.
                  1. Roman070280 4 February 2020 10: 56 New
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                    Well, self-confidence, however! You have absolutely definitely seen that in twenty years no one will fly anywhere,

                    Have you seen that someone will definitely fly somewhere ?? Well, self-confidence ..
                    However, I am generous, and even forgive you that ..

                    so decided these twenty years not to wait, and began to judge and condemn right now.

                    Shaw, again ??
                    The first 20 years means not enough ?? Need to wait 2 times for 20 ?? Maybe just a hundred years, let's wait before sentencing ??

                    PS .. and it’s not shameful for people to still defend all thieving scum .. that they just do not come up with an excuse ..
    3. orionvitt 4 February 2020 07: 31 New
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      Quote: Far In
      Honored Trampoline of Russia D.O. Rogozin continues to exude floodlights ...

      So far, "Honored Trampoline Rogozin," Carries the American "Vanquisher of the Moon" into space. And they even stand in line, asking for an extra ticket to orbit. So the irony is inappropriate. And on the subject of floodlights, ask your favorite Americans, where is their Dragon and Starliner? Can it still fly someday? Everything is relative.
      1. Far B 4 February 2020 07: 45 New
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        So far, "Honored Trampoline Rogozin," Carries the American "Vanquisher of the Moon" into space.
        Oh, Christmas trees. He is also a well-deserved cabman, it turns out. And he carries them on his wagon? Exactly on your own? He personally put a hand to its development? Well, or at least solariums in a gas tank, for example, added fuel?
        ask your beloved Americans, where is their Dragon and Starliner?
        Scroll above, already answered the previous commentator - I do not care what they have there over the puddle. I don’t care what is here with us.
        your favorite Americans
        Can you confirm the moment of my love for Americans, or is it just blah blah from you?
        1. orionvitt 4 February 2020 08: 00 New
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          Quote: Far In
          He is also a well-deserved cabman, it turns out. And he carries them on his wagon? Exactly on your own?

          So I expected that someone would certainly be higher ... would speak out about "he carries them on his wagon." Arguments worthy of kindergarten. On your own, not your own, if you have such a personal dislike that you can’t eat, drink a sedative. It seems to be adults, but reason like children. There is only one fact today. Russia is the only country in the world that carries out manned space flights. You can ulcerate further.
          1. Far B 4 February 2020 08: 07 New
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            Russia is the only country in the world that operates manned space flights
            Using Soviet developments for this. Wow cho. In addition to this, Rogozin does something meaningful? Are there any research programs for Roskosmos? Can you name at least one project completed under Rogozin?
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              Quote: Far In
              Using Soviet developments for this

              What is the difference, the main thing is saved. Where are the super-duper American Saturns and shuttles? Where are the latest developments? And in general, in terms of space flights, mankind has practically not progressed over the past 50 years (only information technologies have developed) And some of the old achievements (unlike Russia) have been lost.
              Can you name at least one project completed under Rogozin?
              That was given to you by Rogozin. I’m telling you about the state of "cosmic affairs" in the world in general, but from all sides you can only hear about Rogozin. Nothing more to say? Tell us about Dennis Mellenberg or the same Mask, they are no different from Rogozin.
              1. Far B 4 February 2020 08: 52 New
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                That was given to you by Rogozin
                I gave up. Because he now plays the role of the talking head of Roscosmos. Moreover, not the smartest head. And he must fulfill the role of head of a state corporation. And I would like it to be effective.
              2. Roman070280 4 February 2020 09: 55 New
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                Where are the super-duper American Saturns and shuttles? Where are the latest developments?


                She there .. quieter on the bends ..

                Space telescopes:
                Hubble is a space reflector telescope. (USA).
                James Webb - Orbital Infrared Observatory (NASA, ESA, CSA).

                Automatic interplanetary stations:
                "Pioneer" - a program for the study of the moon, interplanetary space, Jupiter and Saturn. (USA)
                Voyager is a giant planetary exploration program. (USA)
                “Mariner” - studies of Venus, Mars and Mercury. (USA)
                "Mars Express" - an artificial satellite of Mars, the landing of the Mars rover "Beagle-2". (ESA)
                Galileo is a study of Jupiter and its moons. (NASA)
                Cassini is a study of Saturn, its rings and moons. (NASA, ESA, IKA)
                Huygens is a probe for studying the atmosphere of Titan. (ESA)
                “Rosetta” - a spacecraft landing on the nucleus of comet Churyumov-Gerasimenko (ESA)
                MESSENGER - Mercury Research (NASA)
                Magellan - A Study of Venus (NASA)
                New Horizons - A Study of Pluto and its Satellites (NASA)
                Venus Express - Venus Exploration (ESA)
                Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution - an artificial satellite to study the atmosphere of Mars (NASA)

                Space probes for studying the sun:
                The "Solar Probe" is a study of the Sun, its corona and magnetic fields (NASA).
                “Observatory of Solar Dynamics” - the study of the Sun and understanding of its impact on the Earth and near-Earth space by studying the solar atmosphere (NASA).
                SOHO - study of the state of the solar atmosphere, the activity of solar corona and wind (ESA, NASA).

                Landing Modules:
                InSight - the study of the internal structure and composition of Mars (NASA).
                Mars Scout - NASA's Mars exploration space program:
                Phoenix - soil research in the polar region of the planet.
                Mars Pathfinder - Photographing, Weather Research (NASA).

                Mars rovers:
                Mars Exploration Rover - NASA's Mars exploration program:
                “Spirit” - the study of sedimentary rocks in craters (Gusev, Erebus and adjacent);
                “Opportunity” - the study of sedimentary rocks in craters (Guseva, Erebus and adjacent).
                Martian Science Lab - Mars Study Program (NASA):
                Curiosity - Get detailed information about the geology and climate of Mars.
                Mars Pathfinder - NASA program for testing technical solutions for cheap surface landings:
                Sojorner - study of the composition of the rocks.

                Orbital stations:
                Mars Global Surveyor - surface mapping, relay data from Mars rovers to Earth (NASA).
                "Mars Odyssey" - the study of the geological structure, the search for minerals and the relay of data from Mars rovers (NASA)

                I think for the first time it’s enough .. the untrained brain of the surplus of new information may not be able to withstand ..))
                Or maybe I'm wrong, and you have a list with the achievements of Russia there is more .. (please do not include the sale of Soviet engines to the amer in the list of achievements)
                1. orionvitt 4 February 2020 12: 37 New
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                  Quote: Roman070280
                  She there .. quieter on the bends ..

                  I explain for the gifted. We are talking about manned flights, and not about technological iron in space. It was always believed that the highest achievement in the space race is flight people into the space. Namely, the Americans have problems with this. So you can put your own list somewhere deeper. And listen here, wise guy with a prepared brain, first learn basic politeness. negative
                  1. Roman070280 4 February 2020 12: 52 New
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                    We are talking about manned flights, and not about technological iron in space
                    In general, the conversation is about where it is more profitable for you .. sorted it out ..

                    It was always believed that the highest achievement in the space race is the flight of a person into space.
                    So it’s kind of like this race ended dozens of years ago .. If the first flight is interesting, then this is our Gagarin .. if by distance, then the Americans are landing on the moon .. But only where does this "highest achievement" ?? The second time you’re the first to go into space no longer .. and the second time you don’t be the first to go to the moon .. These achievements are a completed stage, everything ..
                    The phrase "has always been considered" is generally kind of absurd .. like if someone tomorrow manages to peep / reach (albeit by train) / penetrate other galaxies / black holes, study them, discover new laws and principles that can revolutionize the human world - this will not be the Highest Achievements ..
                    Yes, only Hubble for today gave so much information to a person .. that the cabman (or huckster) Rogozin is simply a jerk on this background ..

                    So your list, you can stick somewhere deeper. And listen here, wise guy with a prepared brain, first learn basic politeness. negative


                    Oh .. well now, every dull person will begin to reveal his oral, and teach others politeness ..
                    After all, there is nothing to tell about the Russian super-duper latest developments .. at least about unmanned, at least manned ..
                    And about real achievements in space of others - I do not want to listen ..
                    But you can continue to blame me on everything ..))
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                      Quote: Roman070280
                      After all, there is nothing to tell about the Russian super-duper latest developments .. at least about unmanned, at least manned ..


                      And about the Internet poyuzat not taught? lol If you do not know anything, then this is solely your problem.

                      By the way, just now, our all other astronauts conducted a briefing on landing:



                      hard listening laughing



                      and then someone put it in his pants

                      1. Roman070280 5 February 2020 11: 59 New
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                        And about the Internet poyuzat not taught? lol If you do not know anything, then this is solely your problem.

                        They taught .. but you can’t know everything ..
                        Therefore, I posted a little higher on the Internet a list of the achievements of our "enemies" ..
                        And he asked (if suddenly anyone knows) a similar list for Roskosmos ..

                        I think for the first time it’s enough .. the untrained brain of the surplus of new information may not be able to withstand ..))
                        Or maybe I'm wrong, and you have a list with the achievements of Russia there is more.. (please, do not include the sale of Soviet engines to Amer in the list of achievements)
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                        Quote: Roman070280
                        They taught .. but you can’t know everything ..


                        Poorly taught. This is not "all", it’s just on the topic, since they started to comment on it.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Therefore, I posted a little higher on the Internet a list of the achievements of our "enemies" ..


                        There are many errors on your list. But that is not the point. If you are interested in Russian space science, then you should read this anniversary edition of 2015 from IKI RAS http://press.cosmos.ru/institut-kosmicheskih-issledovaniy-ran-50-let

                        There is no "selling amer engines." laughing
                      3. Roman070280 6 February 2020 10: 37 New
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                        Poorly taught. This is not "all", it’s just on the topic, since they started to comment on it.

                        Well, I managed to comment on any more than that of those who could only shout in response "he himself"

                        There are many errors on your list. But that is not the point.

                        Yes, yes .. The bottom line is that there are no errors on your list ..))

                        If you are interested in Russian space science

                        Not if - but three times he asked me to bring me a list similar to what I posted above ..

                        it’s worth reading this


                        I will do it with great pleasure !!

                        And you should read this ..
                        http://militera.lib.ru/explo/chertok_be/index.html

                        Once on the topic you can’t answer, then at least for a few months you will be busy with business ..))
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                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Well, I managed to comment more


                        you can drive a crap in tons laughing

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Yes, yes .. The bottom line is that there are no errors on your list ..))


                        And I don’t measure myself ... like some here.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        I will do it with great pleasure !!


                        there’s just a list laughing

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        And you should read this ..
                        http://militera.lib.ru/explo/chertok_be/index.html


                        I have all four volumes of Chertok's memoirs in the original in a cabinet on a shelf have been standing for more than 14 years. lol
                      5. Roman070280 7 February 2020 10: 42 New
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                        you can drive a crap tons of laughing

                        Yes, yes .. NASA’s operating rovers, exploration of various planets of the solar system is a crap .. For people like you ..))

                        And I don’t measure myself ... like some here.

                        Just you measure them ..
                        But on the merits of the topic, you couldn’t answer anything to me .. although I asked about this four times ..

                        there’s just a list

                        If you yourself had read this article at least once, you would have been silent in a rag, and not a shame ..
                        For 80 pages with pictures - a la until 1985 ..
                        Although, maybe for you the merits of Korolev, Keldysh and others - are equated with the achievements of Roskosmos and Rogozin .. but that is solely your problem ..
                        As well as the fact that at the end of the "list" several dozen pages are Wishlist ..
                        We want to fly to the moon, we want the base, we want the fifth to tenth .. Well, the pictures, again this desire .. Of course - the author of the pictures can bring them to achieve .. But again about Roscosmos is unclear ..
                        Oh yes .. somewhere there, between all this, it is told about Phobos-Grunt .. This, of course, cannot be taken away from Roscosmos ..
                        Well, and a few more "grandiose" projects, like the Chibis microsatellite (the whole world applauded), or the likes of this:
                        "On September 17, 2009, Meteor-M1 was launched into orbit - first in ten years domestic meteorological satellite "

                        I have all four volumes of Chertok's memoirs in the original in a cabinet on a shelf have been standing for more than 14 years.

                        So I say - would you read them better ..
                        Then understanding would come that really was and is - Achievements !! And what - crap ..
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                        Yes, yes .. NASA’s operating rovers, exploration of various planets of the solar system is a crap .. For people like you ..))


                        And Nitsche, that on the "existing rover" is one of the main devices - Russian-made? And is its priority in the scientific program of this confirmed at the very top of NASA? laughing

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                        Just you measure them ..


                        Kindergarten Pit Pants laughing

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                        But on the merits of the topic, you couldn’t answer anything to me .. although I asked about this four times ..


                        I sent you a link to a book, where there are all the answers to your questions, but if it hasn’t reached you four times, then this is your problem.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        If you yourself had read this article at least once, you would have been silent in a rag, and not a shame ..
                        For 80 pages with pictures - a la until 1985 ..


                        Read to the end, no? Or caught cognitive dissonance? lol

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Although, maybe for you the merits of Korolev, Keldysh and others - are equated with the achievements of Roskosmos and Rogozin .. but that is solely your problem ..


                        And what, the tasks of the institute have changed, has it been reborn? moved to another place? laughing This is their story and their information, their experience, recognized by the whole world, access to which is available now. And if you do not understand this, then you are your own radish. lol

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        As well as the fact that at the end of the "list" several dozen pages are Wishlist ..
                        We want to fly to the moon, we want the base, we want the fifth to tenth .. Well, the pictures, again this desire .. Of course - the author of the pictures can bring them to achieve .. But again about Roscosmos is unclear ..


                        Inattentively read. Somehow between the lines you went through all our current achievements on Mars and programs on the Sun, Venus and the Moon and the center of the galaxy. Well, okay, I see here, I don’t see there - this is standard for people like you. In the meantime, you clumsy about your ignorance of the situation or rather the lack of desire for this knowledge, since this does not fit in with your worldview in your head, now the Rogozin Astrophysical Observatory Spektr-RG, located one and a half million kilometers from Earth at point L2 beyond the Moon scans the celestial sphere with a resolution inaccessible to all similar spacecraft of all other countries combined, creating new star maps for future interplanetary navigation.
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                        And Nitsche, that on the "existing rover" is one of the main devices - Russian-made? And is its priority in the scientific program of this confirmed at the very top of NASA?


                        Well, you see .. It turns out you can, if you want ..
                        Yes, that's right .. many of NASA's projects use our designs ..
                        Nevertheless, the current rover, and the device on it are not quite commensurable things .. From discharge, climate control or tires for the whole car ..
                        Well, it would be worth continuing further .. I didn’t have a list from one rover ..

                        Kindergarten Pit Pants laughing

                        Glad you understood my hint ..

                        Read to the end, no? Or caught cognitive dissonance? lol

                        I read it .. But you essentially had nothing to answer again ..

                        And what, the tasks of the institute have changed, has it been reborn? moved to another place? laughing This is their story and their information, their experience, recognized by the whole world, access to which is available now.
                        Even if he was reborn, or moved somewhere, but started, as before, projects (and you would be able to poke me with your nose into the list of these projects) - that would not be scary ..
                        Я history I do not deny .. like experience.. Only if you refer to history, you can always be proud of only the flight of Gagarin ..
                        And the conversation was far from being about history .. if you neglected it, you neglected it ..
                        The question was: "Where are the super-duper American Saturns and shuttles? Where are the latest developments?"
                        And it turns out - there is experience, access to it .. but the latest developments are not noticeable ..

                        And if you do not understand this, then you are your own radish. lol

                        Kindergarten webbing pants ..

                        Somehow between the lines you went through all our current achievements on Mars and programs on the Sun, Venus and the Moon and the center of the galaxy.
                        I did not claim that there was nothing at all .. and that Roscosmos was closed under a barn castle ..
                        But, everything is relative.

                        And yes .. the WG abbreviation in the name of the observatory is deciphered not in honor of the current director of Roskosmos, but for a completely different reason (hint below) .. otherwise you never know what you thought up ..))
                        Peter Predel, speaking on behalf of MPE, said that even before the calibration was completed and the observations were officially started, seven cameras of the eROSITA telescope had opened 18 thousand X-ray sources


                        But even despite the American mirrors there, your answer is accepted ..
                        So far, two in total - together with
                        "active rover"
                        ..
                        I didn’t quite understand why you wrote it in quotation marks ... really only because he is American ..))
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                        Quote: Roman070280
                        I did not claim that there was nothing at all .. and that Roscosmos was closed under a barn castle ..
                        But, everything is relative.


                        Compare them correctly, and not as it happens with you. As an example, ask yourself the question - what are spacecraft doing on, say, Mars? And then look at the answer - who and with what apparatus on Mars made direct observations of water ice? laughing In the book that I gave above it is written about it.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        And, yes .. the abbreviation WG in the name of the observatory is deciphered by no means in honor of the current director of Roscosmos,


                        X-ray Gamma. This project was named so a long time ago, back in the 80s of the last century, when we only planned it.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Peter Predel, speaking on behalf of MPE, said that even before the calibration was completed and the observations were officially started, seven cameras of the eROSITA telescope had opened 18 thousand X-ray sources


                        Does it bother you? A very productive device in a common piggy bank. Personally, it pleases me. You can recall European appliances on our Vegas and Phobos earlier. Or a new European drill on the future Moon-27.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        But even despite the American mirrors there, your answer is accepted ..


                        Exactly the same mirrors, but already made in Sarov, stand on the ground analogue of the device. They are no different from the US, the installation of which our European partners insisted on installing the flight product, to which we met, since the project is international.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        So far, two in total - together with the "active rover"


                        Our instruments or instruments created with our participation, and this is our scientific time in the program for working with them, are on us launched by the ESA AMS - Mars Express, Venus Express, Integral Observatory, TGO AMS in joint ExoMars 2016 missions. With the last two we work directly. On the American LRO, we were able to fully map the Moon by water ice deposits, and this is our world priority. Our spectrometers fly to the BepiCollombo AMC to Mercury, and the instrument that the Americans refused (due to political reasons) will be installed on our next long-lived rover at our same long-lived alien plane "Kazachok".

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        I didn’t quite understand why you wrote it in quotation marks ... really only because he is American ..))


                        According to the rules of the Russian language, this is just a quote.
  • K-612-O 4 February 2020 08: 35 New
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    Are you working at an enterprise in the space industry to say so? Lavochkin alone has 7 large OCDs. Exomars, for example, is already preparing for launch, and the landing module and half of the equipment on it are domestic, including my Rosatom enterprise.
    You read at least someone and what he does in space.
    And by the way, Stakhanovism in this industry leads only to disasters.
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      Exomars for example is already preparing to launch
      Is getting ready? And what year is it preparing? And how many times will the dates be shifted?
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        Unfortunately they were moved because of French partners, and then for 1,5 years. At the moment, July-August 2020, the launch of Proton. But you do not own the topic.
        Before launching the all the more new apparatus and equipment, only 3-4 test samples must be made and the tests themselves do not even last six months, and even if without modifications during them.
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        And what year is it preparing?


        On that. In July-August launch. You do not know? lol

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    speaks about "he carries them on his wagon"

    The arguments were just quite sound to them were given .. Declare that such persons as Rogozin / Medvedev / Mutko, etc. someone is being transported / ruled / moved somewhere .. It is only in a sore brain that can be born ..
    And the fact that you have nothing to object in essence, acre "You can’t eat on your own, not your own, drink soothing, only confirms this fact ..
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    You wouldn’t care if you were 91-93, you look, and with space it was better. Then everyone vied with each other to distribute money for outer space to pensioners. As a result, before 05-07, the collapse and collapse of the industry.
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      You in the years 91-93 wouldn’t care if you look, and with space it was better
      Oh how! Are you directly blaming me? Strong.
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      However, in the states and Europe, the devastation of the 90s was not. On the contrary, they prospered so that, for once, they had a surplus budget. Something I do not see there is some kind of leap in space technology. On the contrary, everything has gone somewhere. He is not able to even repeat what was invented and done long ago.
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    The comic ship "broler" will crawl to the moon for the best in 2222, until then there is "no money and no need to dream"!
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    If Medvedev, who himself generated nothing but snoring, condescended to such advice
    Looks like it is sleeping. Therefore, a rebuke. Like, don’t try over your ear, go work.
  • Amateur 4 February 2020 06: 13 New
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    Again the chatter from Roskosmos. The thing to do. In the meantime, only chatter and endless renaming of projects and technically unconfirmed promises.
    1. mat-vey 4 February 2020 06: 18 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      Again the chatter from Roskosmos. The thing to do. In the meantime, only chatter and endless renaming of projects and technically unconfirmed promises.

      If only from Roskosmos ....
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      Again the chatter from Roskosmos.
      And for this chatter they also pay money)). Demand creates supply!
      1. bessmertniy 4 February 2020 06: 59 New
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        So, during conversations, I fly unnoticed year after year. repeat
  • Mikhail Drabkin 4 February 2020 06: 17 New
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    Well, that's it !!!
    Now it's up to the small ...
    Rogozin .... not to the Soviet Army ..
  • Vasily Ponomarev 4 February 2020 06: 25 New
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    I think everything is clear here without comment
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    Earlier, the ship "Orel" was called the "Federation", but in Roscosmos it was decided that the Russian space ship should have a masculine name.

    Like Vrungel’s type: As you call a yacht, it will fly away.
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    This is very important and good news for all of Russia. It remains only to wish our astronauts a good journey and a successful return. Everything else is trifles. The matter is left to the small!
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      Well, if for you the little things are the creation and flight of a heavy Angara, a ship and a descent vehicle .. And all the other huge questions on this preparation ... Then URYA!
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        Quote: 210ox
        Well, if for you the little things are the creation and flight of a heavy hangar, ship and lander.

        Dmitry! hi Paul is just ironic.
        Quote: pru-pavel
        It remains only to wish our astronauts a good journey and a successful return.

        Given the timing of the implementation of our space programs and their straightforwardly most obvious focus on bringing great benefits to all mankind, I will assume that these same astronauts who will fly on the Eagle and Angara have not yet been born.
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          Alexander.. hi Sorry, in the morning not a drop of humor .. what
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      Quote: pru-pavel
      The matter is left to the small!

      Does the little one know that?
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        Naturally - he has such a job. Spokesperson will not lie
  • pru-pavel 4 February 2020 06: 35 New
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    But seriously, something is not clean here.
    The launch of the ship into outer space should be carried out using the Angara-5 launch vehicle.

    Angara-A5 has an abandoned weight in a low reference orbit less than that of a proton - only 24.5 tons. The Americans flew to the moon on the heavy Saturn-5 with a load of 140 tons on DOE. And this despite the fact that they had a ship with a rarefied atmosphere of pure oxygen, to reduce the pressure inside the ship and facilitate its construction.
    Well, here only Stanislavsky can remember
    Upd: apparently it meant launches into near-Earth orbits. But then it’s not very clear why it was written in the middle of the news about the journey to the moon
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      The Proton-M 23-24 tons, the rest agree
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      But shouldn't Irtysh take him out? From the Angara launch complex, but the Irtysh?
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      Angara-A5 has an abandoned weight in a low reference orbit less than that of a proton - only 24.5 tons.


      Do not look for meaning in an illiterate article.

      Layout "Eagle" flies on the A5 in the year 2023, the next fully-fledged ship that still does not have a name in the year 2024 - on the A5P. Orel flies to the moon on STC Yenisei of the 1st stage in the year 2027.

      Quote: NKT
      But shouldn't Irtysh take him out? From the Angara launch complex, but the Irtysh?


      No. Irtysh will be unmanned. Till.
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    Need to eat wassat
  • serg.shishkov2015 4 February 2020 06: 48 New
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    Yes, it's all a dream! Yes, these dreams cost a lot of money! But without a Dream, it’s hard for a person to live! Not only worries about daily bread! For me, Cosmos was one of the symbols of the USSR! Great and wonderful era! I'm not a fool! enough earthly worries! But the dream remained, to live to fly to Mars!
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      If it is possible to create a permanent station on the moon, this will be a serious step in space exploration. But will not others be ahead !? what
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      Quote: serg.shishkov2015
      But the dream remained, to live to fly to Mars!

      So many do not live. Here even Rosstat will not help.
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        I know! But still I dream!
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      Quote: NKT
      But shouldn't Irtysh take him out? From the Angara launch complex, but the Irtysh?

      No, you mixed everything up. Enisey enters the Lena launch pad, and the Volga River flows into the Caspian Sea.
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    Mr. Rogozin, even when fantasizing, lacks imagination. What is the moon then? Jupiter, immediately under the gas shell, into the ocean from molten hydrogen. Only let Rogozhin himself be the pioneer. He just mocks
  • rocket757 4 February 2020 08: 33 New
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    A place has been determined for the preparation of Russian astronauts for landing on the moon

    And we are planning a flight to the moon! When?
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      Quote: rocket757
      And we are planning a flight to the moon! When?


      In the year 2021, AMC "Luna-25" flies. With landing on the moon. The first of the three for the current space program until 2025.
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        If only everything in real life come true!
        Honestly, tiring, tired of hearing / believing that with the space industry we do not have ah and even worse ... I want a holiday! Achievements and victories!
        Let real terms indicate, work according to plan, that’s all. The deadline is right, we will see.
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          Quote: rocket757
          If only everything in real life come true!


          And where will it go then? laughing Only the other day for the "Moon-27" Europeans made their drill. And Luna-26 is already a repeater in the plans for the Chinese Chang'e-7.

          Quote: rocket757
          Honestly, tiring, tired of hearing / believing that with the space industry we do not have ah and even worse ... I want a holiday! Achievements and victories!


          Well, we made a map of the location of water ice on the lunar surface. Have you heard about this? laughing Who finances our media, he plays them.

          Quote: rocket757
          Let real terms indicate, work according to plan, that’s all. The deadline is right, we will see.


          We are now making iron from new projects for basic space research until 2025 - the Cossack landing module for ExoMars 2020, the MLM-U Nauka for the ISS, the Luna-25,26,27 AMS "," Spectrum-UV "astrophysical observatory," Bion-2,3 "technological biosatellites," Arka "solar telescope. This is not counting the devices already flying in space to Mercury or working on Mars and L2.
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            Quote: slipped
            Who finances our media, he plays them.

            It’s not even sad, it’s a crime!
            It’s now difficult to find out what is NECESSARY .... we are on the “bright” headlines, in most cases!?!?!?
            That would write an article \ review of real-life and planned events, it would be VERY USEFUL and TIME!
            The challenge for those who are REALLY IN THE TOPIC!
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    In the meantime, if we remove the projection, and return to the long-suffering ISS, or rather the Russian segment, then RIA published the next plan. According to him Russian segment will get nothing (maybe Science by the age of 21, if it does pass the tests, which is not a fact). But the lunar station is not in the near future.

    Roscosmos will spend nine billion rubles to finalize the ISS module
    Roscosmos plans to allocate 9 billion rubles to increase the capacity of the scientific and energy module under construction for the International Space Station (ISS), which may fly to the moonfollows from materials on the public procurement website.
    Earlier it was reported that The launch of the module with the Proton-M launch vehicle from the Baikonur Cosmodrome is scheduled for 2023. With its commissioning, the construction of the ISS Russian segment will be completed.

    In December, the Director General of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin said the berth nodal module and the scientific and energy module can be sent to the moon instead of the ISSso that they become the basis of the lunar orbital station.
    "The increase in the power supply of the scientific and energy module (code SC R&D (component of experimental design work - ed.):" ISS (modules) "- NEM-1 (energy)," the materials said.
    They note that it is planned to allocate 9 billion rubles for this work, including 2,7 billion rubles in 2020 and 2,6 in 2021.

    The ISS Russian segment includes five modules - the Zarya functional cargo block (formally American, since it was created with US funds), the Zvezda service module, the Pirs docking bay, the small Search and Dawn research modules .

    In late 2020 - early 2021, the launch of the multi-purpose laboratory module "Science" is planned.
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      RIA published another plan


      Oh yes, RIA loves to make its own plans with us. lol Especially when there still leads various experts. laughing
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    Plans, promises, conversations. You won’t earn authority, you won’t raise the prestige of the country. It would be much more effective if, without any fuss, you were very unofficial at an accelerated pace, they would have been tested and flew. And as long as we gather on the Moon there are already one hundred thousand Chinese will be .
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    They chose a place, they came up with a name for the ship ..
    Still, it is not in vain that they eat their bread in Roscosmos ..
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    I didn’t even read. Enough pictures. With our space steering, soon only pictures will remain, there will be no photos, since there is nothing ...
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    While all this sounds like a kind of fanatic ....
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    Is one station planned on the moon? In Omsk, where they were to collect the “Angara,” the Metro also has one station.
    They can share experiences on how to do this, mastering denyuzhki ...
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    Well, isn’t it enough to boast when going to the army? The astronauts, if they begin to practice their visit to the moon now, will at best be able to guide their children there, but rather grandchildren. Although Rogozin may agree with the Americans and Chinese to take someone as passengers. It’s good if it doesn’t pass it off as another Roskosmos victory.
    But seriously, early with the current technology and experience of near-Earth work on the moon. you need to master the orbit and learn how to use it well. It’s worth it to start flying when it becomes possible to do it regularly. Throwing Roskosmos nothing good will end.
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      Throwing Roskosmos nothing good will end.


      But there is no throwing. There is a systematic pragmatic work in the direction of the moon. For example, the next isolation experiment Sirius is coming soon.

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    I don’t believe that the star-striped flew, I don’t understand what should we do there
    there would be one benefit, but nothing. There is no gain ...
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    The plans of Roscosmos include the creation of a station on the moon and the transportation of lunar soil to Earth.

    That is, that's all - for the sake of a couple of hundred kg of lunar soil? Are you seriously? good
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    NASA has been shooting the moon recently on Devon Island. China has enough deserts for cartoons. But, the jambs are full of boxes. The Chinese, in general, scored on the continuation of their “Moon”. But Rogozin, maybe something suitable in the Far North has looked. I wonder how many mistakes the Photoshop experts will find on the "Moon" of Roscosmos? Or simply, without animeshka, loot master.