Netherlands Prosecutor's Office Formally Charges MH17


It became known that the prosecutor's office of the Kingdom of the Netherlands has formally charged the disaster case of the Malaysian Boeing. We are talking about the side of the Malaysian Airlines, which was shot down in July 2014 in the sky over southeastern Ukraine.


The Netherlands prosecutor's office believes that the perpetrators of the attack on the airliner are four people. Previously, their names were already called. These are Igor Strelkov (aka Igor Girkin), Sergey Dubinsky, Oleg Pulatov and Leonid Kharchenko. The first three are citizens of the Russian Federation, the fourth has Ukrainian citizenship.

According to Dutch press reports, a group of lawyers has been “pre-formed” to defend the accused. So, Russian Oleg Pulatov plan to defend three lawyers at once in court, two of whom are Dutch, one is a lawyer from Russia.

Earlier, the Russian Foreign Ministry called the findings of the Dutch prosecutor's office in the MH17 case biased and did not take into account many important details.

Indeed, for more than five years, the Dutch investigation did not even bother to fully lay out the fragments of the aircraft in order to be able to study in detail the direction of the airliner. So far, a poll (interrogation) of Ukrainian dispatchers has not been published, which for some reason led the plane directly over the epicenter of hostilities. Own frames with a fragment of a rocket, which, as the marking showed, have been completely stored in one of the Ukrainian military units since the late 1980s, have been completely ignored.

In March, the case of the downed Boeing (MH17) will be considered in court.
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  1. seti 3 February 2020 17: 40 New
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    We didn’t doubt them.
    1. Bashkirkhan 3 February 2020 17: 53 New
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      I think Igor Strelkov (aka Igor Girkin), Sergey Dubinsky, Oleg Pulatov and Leonid Kharchenko will be acquitted. The Malaysian Boeing was shot down by the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin on a Su-25, it was shown on TV.
      1. Victor_B 3 February 2020 18: 21 New
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        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        The Malaysian Boeing was shot down by the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin on a Su-25, it was shown on TV.

        Between us, the girls, to put it “the evidence base” according to Voloshin, to put it mildly (if we exclude Buk’s unproved rocket) is not very different from the results of the Dutch investigation. Or even stronger.
        As far as I understand, Voloshin himself was not interested in the investigation in any way.
        Although he was in the air and MTF at that time was nearby and to witness the launch, the launch site and the rocket hit. Again, where did the air-to-air missile suspension go?
        In general, the investigation is based on the principle: "I see here, I don’t see here, but here the herring was wrapped."
        1. the most important 3 February 2020 18: 24 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          In general, the investigation is based on the principle: "I see here, I don’t see here, but here the herring was wrapped."

          And why did the Netherlands begin to conduct an investigation? Why is Malaysia not allowed to be investigated? This fact alone gives Malaysia the right not to recognize this investigation.
          1. Victor_B 3 February 2020 18: 29 New
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            Quote: the most important
            And why did the Netherlands begin to conduct an investigation?

            As I understand it, there is legal practice, who should investigate.
            Options are Ukraine (in its airspace), Malaysia (its plane).
            Here is one of them who transferred the investigation of Holland because there was half the Dutch plane.
            From the memory pops up, it seems like the Ukrainians gave the investigation to the British, and they were already Dutch.
            Like.
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            1. Victor_B 3 February 2020 18: 34 New
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              Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
              Here at the JIT press conference, two representatives of Malaysia are sitting

              Who are they in?
              The whole prime minister of Malaysia doubted the investigation.
              1. Bashkirkhan 3 February 2020 18: 43 New
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                Quote: Victor_B
                The whole prime minister of Malaysia doubted the investigation.

                By the way, an interesting person. Mahathir Mohamad (born July 10, 1925, Alor Setar) became Prime Minister for the first time in 1981. According to some reports, there is a gentleman’s agreement according to which Mohamad will head the government until he’s 95, and then give way to the leader of the People’s Justice Party - 71-year-old Anwar Ibrahim.
                1. Range 3 February 2020 20: 48 New
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                  They completely forgot to indicate in the indictment that the operations also involved Karabas-Barabas, the cat Basilio and Barmaley.
                  1. Barmaleyka 3 February 2020 20: 53 New
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                    Quote: Spectrum
                    and Barmaley.

                    hey easy I have an alibi
                    1. Range 3 February 2020 20: 55 New
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                      And I'm talking about another Barmaley from Castrulandia.
                    2. Grandfather Crimea 4 February 2020 08: 09 New
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                      You are not Barmalei, but for now only a barmaleyka. No need to register merit)))))))))))))))))
                      1. Shaitan_by 4 February 2020 15: 18 New
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                        As some politicians confuse Austria with Australia, Iran with Iraq, Barmaleya and Barmaleika can be confused.
                2. trahterist 4 February 2020 22: 34 New
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                  A personality can be “interesting” as much as you like in the fantasies of individual alternatively gifted personalities, but this has nothing to do with the matter. This is the premier state and the point!
                  Z.Y. Favorite trick of the demagogues, when there is essentially nothing to say, nit-picking about human qualities begins, who sleeps with someone, who jokes like that, who writes with their left hand and other dregs.
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          3. Captain Pushkin 3 February 2020 20: 28 New
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            Quote: the most important
            Why is Malaysia not allowed to be investigated? This fact alone gives Malaysia the right not to recognize this investigation.

            The opinion of Malaysia the organizers of the "court" is not interested at all. Therefore, they did not admit that they would not get confused and do not interfere with making "correct court decisions."
            1. Terenin 3 February 2020 21: 22 New
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              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              for more than five years, the Dutch investigation didn’t even bother to fully lay out fragments of the plane,

              for more than five years, the Dutch investigation didn’t even bother to fully lay out fragments of the plane,


              I can hardly imagine these girls winked diligently doing ... "laying out fragments of the aircraft" crying

              1. Charik 4 February 2020 13: 36 New
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                here it is on the right
          4. Charik 4 February 2020 13: 34 New
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            americas banned
          5. vik669 4 February 2020 14: 29 New
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            But where else but the Netherlands you can find judges with such honest faces, well, if only in Antarctica among the penguins!
        2. Val naz 3 February 2020 19: 28 New
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          And the most amazing thing is that Voloshin shot himself, the guy was 29 years old ... it would seem he would live and live ...
          1. Range 3 February 2020 20: 24 New
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            It seems that he shot himself when he realized that he was simply framed, using blindly. He has committed too much sin. I remember when Vovan and Lexus played Kolomoisky, the talk said that the plane was not the same. After all, they thought it was Putin's plane. And this was the blind setup.
            1. Hautibek Khuranov 3 February 2020 22: 09 New
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              BLINDING is written. It is believed that the form has a connection with the content. Not a single objective prosecutor's office in the world will satisfy the Russians, therefore their protests should be taken calmly.
              1. Range 3 February 2020 22: 13 New
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                Similarly! To a politicized and unprofessional investigation of trust zero point ten. The fragments of the plane had not yet reached the ground, and the Russian banderlog press screamed over the Russians. Just then hushed up this fact. This is called a false start. The Americans then terribly threatened with a finger the indiscretion of their wards.
              2. qpeqop 4 February 2020 13: 54 New
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                Objective will satisfy anyone. Malaysian, for example.
      2. Nychego 3 February 2020 18: 27 New
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        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        showed on tv

        This is yes, this is an argument ... especially for the court regarding the determination of guilt.

        Alas, but most likely, the version of the accusation is not too far from the truth. And many knew this back in the fourteenth year.
        But this is not a reason to stop propaganda and at least to some extent agree with the court decisions, and there the changes in the Constitution will jump.
        1. Bashkirkhan 3 February 2020 18: 52 New
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          Quote: Nychego
          But this is not a reason to stop propaganda and at least in some way agree with court decisions

          Of course, you cannot agree, you need to look for options. In 2019, for example, they found a restored original form for the 9M38 rocket engine, the original of which was lost somewhere.
          1. VasyaPupkin 4 February 2020 10: 04 New
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            Especially for stupid. Firstly: they found a copy from the restored original form.
            Secondly: The form for the new washing machine, which you will find in the box, is also a copy of the original. The original is always one (the serial numbers of the components in it are not completed and cannot be filled - this is a template), for the entire batch. And each rocket is accompanied by a copy of the original with the details of the serial numbers and other information on a particular product. If the template (the original has become unusable), then a new same template is made and it is called the restored original. And from it, for each new product, copies of the forms are already made and filled out in production and are attached to each product.
            So that the forms themselves made on a 9000 photocopy machine, on Soviet paper (yellowed a long time ago) are the most original, 40 years ago, filled with Soviet ballpoint pens (there weren’t others) with a completely known chemical composition, for which there are forensic aging tables. So it’s not difficult to verify the authenticity of the form made 40 years ago on a concrete missile its components and the record of the transfer to storage.
            1. Bashkirkhan 4 February 2020 13: 27 New
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              Thanks for the info. The question remains why the copy from the restored form of the original of the Ministry of Defense of Russia was found only four years after the Boeing was shot down. Immediately it was impossible to find after the wreckage of the rocket from the BUK passed. Why all these years Ernst and the first channel told us the story about the pilot Voloshin and SU-25.
              1. qpeqop 4 February 2020 14: 01 New
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                While all the options will calculate how much time will pass. This is not a pre-cooked business for you to lay out, here you need to dig the earth in search. And heap a pile of lies.
                1. qpeqop 4 February 2020 14: 04 New
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                  By the way, Voloshin is not excluded from the version at all. Boeing should be shot down for sure. If it did not work for the dill, the pilot finished off.
              2. reservist 4 February 2020 15: 00 New
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                Quote: Bashkirkhan
                The question remains why the copy from the restored form of the original of the Ministry of Defense of Russia was found only four years after the Boeing was shot down.

                because the Dutch didn’t immediately, but only in 2018, showed the wreckage of the rocket with the number and publicly asked everyone who could provide information about the origin of the rocket ...

                less than a year (like after a few months) as the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and reported ...
            2. qpeqop 4 February 2020 13: 58 New
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              "Well, here you are, mommy, again do not give a dream"
        2. poquello 3 February 2020 19: 49 New
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          Quote: Nychego
          Alas, but most likely, the version of the accusation is not too far from the truth.

          and? Did Girkin fly with a slingshot on a broom?
          1. Nychego 3 February 2020 20: 27 New
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            Quote: poquello
            Did Girkin fly with a slingshot on a broom?

            There will hardly be a broom and a slingshot in the indictment.
          2. Captain Pushkin 3 February 2020 20: 36 New
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            Quote: poquello
            Quote: Nychego
            Alas, but most likely, the version of the accusation is not too far from the truth.

            and? Did Girkin fly with a slingshot on a broom?

            If you are an eyewitness to this flight, you have a direct road to The Hague. If you swear that you give a tooth that everyone saw and heard Girkin swear obscenely at a low-quality broom from the presidential administration and at a crooked slingshot from Gazprom and shot and fired everything, then they will believe and will form the basis of the guilty verdict.
            1. Hautibek Khuranov 3 February 2020 22: 14 New
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              So Girkin does not refute the content of the charge since the investigation did not begin. He is more honest than all Russians.
        3. Captain Pushkin 3 February 2020 20: 30 New
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          Quote: Nychego
          the prosecution is not too far from the truth. And many knew this back in the fourteenth year.

          If not a secret, what is this confidence based on?
          1. Nychego 3 February 2020 20: 41 New
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            Quote: Captain Pushkin
            If not a secret, what is this confidence based on?

            My acquaintance was, let's say, a rather big rank in the LPR People’s Air Defense. Naturally, at his level, the story was known.
            1. Range 3 February 2020 21: 17 New
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              Is he from Limpopo?
              1. Nychego 3 February 2020 21: 18 New
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                Quote: Spectrum
                Is he from Limpopo?

                No, from the Urals.
                1. Range 3 February 2020 21: 30 New
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                  Yeah! It’s like: - “I had a friend who clicked on a missile launch from the Ukrainian Buk”. Lie more. Or a friend with a binge spit?
                  But is it by chance that the comment is not thrown by the “daughter of an officer”?
                  1. Nychego 3 February 2020 21: 33 New
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                    Lie more.

                    Soryan, not inclined to lie.
                    And what are you nervous about? Everything is fine, there will be a priority of Russian legislation and a bolt on these Dutch judges.
                    1. Range 3 February 2020 21: 45 New
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                      At my age don't get nervous. He certainly goat fuck ... and who saw?
                  2. bayard 4 February 2020 00: 03 New
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                    Quote: Spectrum
                    But is it by chance that the comment is not thrown by the “daughter of an officer”?

                    She . yes
                  3. trahterist 4 February 2020 22: 42 New
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                    Spectrum,

                    Yes, there is more serious, the granddaughter of the whole Marshal!
                    Straight fabulist, on censor-like garbage he would not have a price!
                2. poquello 5 February 2020 23: 41 New
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                  Quote: Nychego
                  Quote: Spectrum
                  Is he from Limpopo?

                  No, from the Urals.

                  “The fisherman all the time showed everyone what kind of fish he had caught, he would raise his hands as far as he could and brags. Well, his hands were tied and they say:
                  “Well, what fish did you catch?”
                  Man making a circle from his hands:
                  “With such an eye!”
            2. Captain Pushkin 4 February 2020 13: 22 New
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              Quote: Nychego
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              If not a secret, what is this confidence based on?

              My acquaintance was, let's say, a rather big rank in the LPR People’s Air Defense. Naturally, at his level, the story was known.

              Can you tell me why your friend from the LPR air defense knocked down a Boeing at an altitude of 10 km?
            3. trahterist 4 February 2020 22: 40 New
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              Nychego,

              ChTD, friend, yeah ...
              cousin aunt's siblings husband adoptive son.
              VERY authoritative "source" lol
            4. Tenet 5 February 2020 10: 37 New
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              Quote: Nychego
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              If not a secret, what is this confidence based on?

              My acquaintance was, let's say, a rather big rank in the LPR People’s Air Defense. Naturally, at his level, the story was known.

              you probably wanted to say, rather big rank in the air defense of the DNI !? Boeing was shot down over Donetsk! fool but I think there’s no difference for you, they’re all separated there ... well ... the daughter of an officer. belay
            5. Pavel57 5 February 2020 17: 51 New
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              Familiar to the daughter of an officer from the Crimea.
          2. qpeqop 4 February 2020 14: 10 New
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            Why, because the video showed "accidentally" filmed on "the entire length of Buk's journey from the Russian border." Nothing that fake. For those convinced of the right fraudsters-fraudsters, this video is quite enough. After all, they tried and painted beautifully. We must praise and take as a basis.
        4. Range 3 February 2020 22: 26 New
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          Yes, you are right, but only if you change 4 names to Turchinov, Kolomoisky, Poroshenko and Avakov, then yes. When the United States is really tired of banderlogy, then they will hand them over with all the giblets, with all the details and the newus. All too much white thread ... And the plane’s turn from the course into the prepared air defense zone’s coverage area and the dispatcher who gave the command to such a loop, for no reason, several tens of kilometers from the corridor, disappeared.
      3. Barmaleyka 3 February 2020 18: 43 New
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        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        They showed on TV.

        you have to call a special team?
        1. Karaul73 3 February 2020 19: 36 New
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          In the evening, he will watch TV again - and he will be allowed to go.
          1. Barmaleyka 3 February 2020 20: 50 New
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            oh I don’t know, looking at what
        2. Range 3 February 2020 21: 20 New
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          And the brigade of your skinheads? Twist your hands? Until she confesses to taking the Bastille?
        3. Terenin 3 February 2020 21: 27 New
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          Quote: Barmaleyka
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          They showed on TV.

          you have to call a special team?

          laughing
      4. Po-tzan 3 February 2020 18: 49 New
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        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        The Malaysian Boeing was shot down by the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin on a Su-25, it was shown on TV.


        The Spanish dispatcher also confirmed this version, by the way.
      5. Oden280 3 February 2020 18: 54 New
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        Is there any difference what these litter wrote?
      6. Doctor 3 February 2020 19: 00 New
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        The Malaysian Boeing was shot down by the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin on a Su-25, it was shown on TV.


        What for?
        1. poquello 3 February 2020 19: 57 New
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          Quote: Arzt
          The Malaysian Boeing was shot down by the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin on a Su-25, it was shown on TV.


          What for?

          subjectively - they ordered, in general, it doesn’t matter what - it’s important why, objectively - it was necessary to embroil the EU and Russia, the American provocation was pure with a deliberate fraud of so many victims, dill 3 beech trees, the probability of this version is 80%
          1. Doctor 3 February 2020 22: 47 New
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            subjectively - ordered

            Well, think logically.
            You are a CIA agent conducting a Boeing provocation. You instruct to bring down the pilot. He knocks down. Noise for the whole world. The pilot is a key witness, if he blabs everyone will blame the US and the CIA.
            It’s just risky to intimidate or bribe him, it’s all of a sudden if conscience leaps up or fear or the Russians steal. It is necessary to hide it securely, it is better to kill it.
            Instead, he rummages around Ukraine for 3 years and 8 months, complains about lack of money, gets a job at the airport, and finally shoots himself. I repeat - noise is for the whole world and he is a key witness. Where is the logic?
            1. poquello 5 February 2020 23: 13 New
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              Quote: Arzt
              Well, think logically.
              You are a CIA agent conducting a Boeing provocation. You instruct to bring down the pilot.

              you have trouble with logic
          2. Doctor 3 February 2020 22: 56 New
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            pure American provocation with the intentional fraud of so many victims,

            That's it. The plane has 192 Dutch, 27 Australians, 10 English, 4 Belgians, 4 Germans, 1 Canadian, 1 New Zealander, the remaining 59 Asians. Among the passengers are Dutch Senator Witteven, Australian writer Davison, WHO spokesman Thomas.
            Do you understand that the press in the West will closely monitor all the nuances of the case? And if even the slightest suspicion arises, the journalists will dig the earth with their nose. They will be happy to dig up the CIA and to dismiss the Dutch government if it conspires. And if there are doubts about the involvement of Ukraine, then they will not see the European Union as their own ears.
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              1. Doctor 5 February 2020 11: 22 New
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                This is the second oldest journalists will dig against the state structure?

                I recognize the Soviet man! In a good sense of the word. love

                But in the West, everything is a little different. The journalist’s employer is the owner of the newspaper. A rich, independent (relatively) person. Which earns on sensations. Of course, in HIS newspaper HIS personal interests will be presented in pink. But he will easily drown everyone else, for competitors. And since there are many newspapers and owners, the “fourth power” is being formed.
                What a CIA, there presidents cry like children.
                1. nickname7 5 February 2020 12: 36 New
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                  But in the West, everything is a little different.


                  You can’t argue with that, but when it comes to Internal squabble inside the country.
                  But he will easily drown everyone else, because competitors

                  But there is one thing, but when it comes to external affairs beyond the Atlantic, with some Papuans, national interests come first. You, as a pro-Western man, probably understand what it is. So in foreign policy, the United States for the sake of nat interests, there is no truth and competition, there is only political expediency and nat interests.
                  1. Doctor 5 February 2020 12: 59 New
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                    You can’t argue with this, but this is when it comes to internal squabbles within the country.

                    They have any business used for political struggle within.
                    Already wrote below: imagine: Trump gave the sanction to block Boeing over Ukraine ...

                    You are like a pro-Western person

                    Pro-Russian. Even pro-Russian.
                    I just think that in the situation with Boeing, our leaders chose the wrong tactics. Continuing to unlock, we drive ourselves into the position of the criminal, who is pressed against the wall with evidence. It looks very ugly.
                    At the same time, we jeopardize performers who simply did their duty. They are now sitting and thinking they will betray them, steal or simply kill them.
                    And in the United Investigation Team they are waiting for and offer protection and other nishtyaki.

                    Recognize. Apologize. Pay compensation. Close the topic.
                    1. poquello 5 February 2020 23: 25 New
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                      Quote: Arzt
                      Trump sanctioned Boeing over Ukraine ...

                      Babama, this - time, it might not have been tasteful)))))))))) this is two.
                2. poquello 5 February 2020 23: 18 New
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                  Quote: Arzt
                  And since there are many newspapers and owners, the “fourth power” is being formed.

                  do you smoke? from 08.08.08 it’s clear from which their “4 power” sticks out of their ass
            2. poquello 5 February 2020 23: 15 New
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              Quote: Arzt
              Do you understand that the press in the West will closely monitor all the nuances of the case?

              trouble you have with the nuances of business
        2. Lipchanin 3 February 2020 20: 34 New
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          Quote: Arzt
          What for?

          But why the Russian Federation?
          1. Doctor 3 February 2020 23: 13 New
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            But why the Russian Federation?

            Not the fact that the Russian Federation. DNR-LNR.
            It’s clear why. Then, why were 10 planes shot down before that? And 8 helicopters. Extreme An 26 was shot down 3 days before the Boeing at an altitude of 6300.

            The Boeing was at an altitude of 10, under it was DRYING. They aimed at her, but the rocket took the top one. War, however, does happen. Iranians have also recently distinguished themselves.
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              Quote: Arzt
              It’s clear why. Then, why were 10 planes shot down before that? And 8 helicopters. Extreme An 26 was shot down 3 days before the Boeing at an altitude of 6300.

              But nothing that the tori worked in these cases, or even MANPADS?

              Quote: Arzt
              The Boeing was at an altitude of 10, under it was DRYING.


              How do you imagine managing the most complicated Buk (at least 3 cars and qualified personnel) by the militias, the torus is as simple as an ax compared to Buk ...

              And about the pilot - and what then did the Ukrainians so easily let go of that former DPR ovshnik? Here was a witness, so a witness, but they gave ours, not even letting the Dutch go to him ...
              1. Doctor 3 February 2020 23: 54 New
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                How do you imagine managing the most complicated Buk (at least 3 cars and qualified personnel) by the militias, the torus is as simple as an ax compared to Buk ...

                I was in the Donbass (before the war), more than one calculation of Buk from retirees could easily be typed there.
                Well, or they were not retirees. wink

                And about the pilot - and what then did the Ukrainians so easily let go of that former DPR ovshnik? Here was a witness, so a witness, but they gave ours, not even letting the Dutch go to him ...

                But he is not a witness. Witnesses have long been bye bye ... They are sitting somewhere, shaking, giving them up or ...
                1. Ka-52 4 February 2020 06: 37 New
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                  I was in the Donbass (before the war), more than one calculation of Buk from retirees could easily be typed there.

                  this is of course a speculation from the category of a finger into the sky. To give an analogy: at the disposal of the DNI was Su-35. They threw a cry: "Who can fly ?!" Well, a dozen people responded. In fact, they began to look - one was an aerodrome technician, the other flew only on the An-2, the third flew on a fighter, but 40 years ago, the fourth - has air navigation practice, but it doesn’t work out for health .... and so on. So with your "retirees" - it is not a fact that you will gather qualified personnel for at least one full calculation.
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                    at the disposal of the DNI was Su-35.
                    So with your "retirees" - it is not a fact that you will gather qualified personnel for at least one full calculation.

                    On the Su-35 and with us, not everyone can.
                    Beech will be easier. It’s not necessary to go far, the then deputy. Strelkova, Fedor Berezin - retired air defense captain. Rocket launcher.
                2. reservist 4 February 2020 15: 17 New
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                  Quote: Arzt
                  Well, or they were not retirees.

                  yeah, for such an operation they were probably specially taken for a long time ... and in some mysterious way they collected the calculation from the most shaggy and unlearned ones, so that they could not distinguish the mark of the passenger liner from the mark of a military aircraft on the radar ...
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                    could not distinguish the mark of a passenger liner on a radar from a mark of a military aircraft ...

                    Not so easy. Otherwise, civilian aircraft would not be shot down. Yes, and their military. Remember Powers (and Safronov).
                    1. reservist 5 February 2020 11: 32 New
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                      and in the case of Powers, did the air defense’s radars have a civilian side?
                      1. Doctor 5 February 2020 11: 47 New
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                        and in the case of Powers, did the air defense’s radars have a civilian side?

                        In the case of Powers, there was a semi-experimental aircraft. No one there understood the shape and size of the mark.
                        Just like in the case of the Boeing.
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                        In the case of Powers, there was a semi-experimental aircraft.

                        those. not a passenger ...

                        Quote: Arzt
                        Just like in the case of the Boeing.

                        when launching missiles on MH17 probably personally attended?
                      3. Doctor 5 February 2020 15: 10 New
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                        when launching missiles on MH17 probably personally attended?

                        I do not know who shot down the Boeing.
                        But blame the Russian military. If you are accused of murder and you are innocent, what will you do? Refuse to testify like Girkin?
                        If we are innocent, we need to actively prove our innocence, hire the best international law firm with authority, work closely with the investigation team, let their investigators work with witnesses, but in Moscow, under the record and in the presence of our lawyers.
                        Or admit, apologize, pay compensation, and of course not extradite anyone.
                        And so they will now press us with evidence, and we will dodge like snakes in a pan.
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                        Refuse to testify like Girkin?

                        Citizen Girkin did not refuse to testify - for this he refused to leave the territory of Russia - let people come here and take from him all the necessary evidence ..
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                        And so they will now press us with evidence, and we will dodge like snakes in a pan.

                        Firstly, we are not spinning, but calmly demanding to present evidence, instead of the bullshit that the "official investigation" is pushing ...
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                        And so they will press us now with evidence,

                        to the studio! they don’t exist at all, and the "investigators" carried nonsense cleaner than ours, well, ours then assumed - which is excusable, and these are being investigated - in which paragraph
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                        If you are accused of murder and you are innocent, what will you do?

                        The first question will be:

                        PS Whoever blames, he proves what he claims ...
                        but it seems that neither the Dutch nor the Ostankino courts have this rule ...
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            I was in the Donbass (before the war), more than one calculation of Buk from retirees could easily be typed there.
            Well, or they were not retirees.

            Then the logical question is - why should Russia drag a beech there if the torus and MANPADS can handle it, moreover, Ukrainian planes fly to the very border with Russia, so what if they can be shot down from our territory if the militias suddenly fail?
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              Then the logical question is - why should Russia drag a beech there if the torus and MANPADS can handle it, moreover, Ukrainian planes fly to the very border with Russia, so what if they can be shot down from our territory if the militias suddenly fail?

              Logically, here you are right.
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            But he is not a witness. Witnesses have long been bye bye ... They are sitting somewhere, shaking, giving them up or ...

            Yah? They shouted the same thing on every corner, what a Tsemakh a useful witness! Even the special operation to abduct him was turned off!
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          But nothing that the tori worked in these cases, or even MANPADS?

          Sure?

          29.06.2014
          "According to representatives of the DNR, Interfax, today the militia reassigned the A-1402 military unit on Stratonavtov Street. The DNR representatives did not specify the details.
          The military unit A-1402 is an air defense anti-aircraft missile regiment, which is armed with Buk self-propelled air defense systems.

          https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1084556/

          14.07.2016
          On the page of the Minister of Defense of the proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic Igor Strelkov, it is stated that “for the destruction of the enemy’s AN-26 aircraft at an altitude of more than 6000 meters, the 9K37M1 air defense system (better known as the Buk) was used."
          “A few weeks ago, militia seizure of these systems was reported. Now they are repaired, equipped with crews and put into operation. These systems allow you to shoot down aircraft at altitudes of more than 4000 meters. Previously, the militia was powerless against enemy aircraft flying at such altitudes, since neither MANPADS nor missiles can work out such altitudes, ”the report said.

          https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1741703

          After 3 days - Boeing.
          1. Albert1988 5 February 2020 17: 53 New
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            "According to representatives of the DNR, Interfax, today the militia reassigned the A-1402 military unit on Stratonavtov Street. The DNR representatives did not specify the details.
            The military unit A-1402 is an air defense anti-aircraft missile regiment, which is armed with Buk self-propelled air defense systems.
            https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1084556/

            But nothing that these beeches were simply not there? Militias including the S-300 (!) Took on some Ukrainian border bases! Only these same S-300s weren’t more than scrap metal ...
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              But nothing that these beeches were simply not there? Militias including the S-300 (!) Took on some Ukrainian border bases! Only these same S-300s weren’t more than scrap metal ...

              I didn’t know that. Then the version disappears.
              1. Albert1988 6 February 2020 21: 19 New
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                I didn’t know that. Then the version disappears.

                That’s just the point that such a very “interesting” thing comes out - Ukraine Didn’t use such aircraft against LDNR that would need a beech to combat it and at the very epicenter of hostilities. Transport aircraft of Ukraine tried to transfer the APU to the rear of the militia, that is, to the border with Russia, where Ukrainian planes could become an easy target for both Russian air defense, MANPADS and militia tori - they are still reduced when landing.

                On the other hand, the APU for some reason dragged the air defense units with beeches in service in the immediate vicinity of the front line, although no aircraft acted against them - neither Russian, nor, especially, the militia (they simply do not have it) .. .

                So we think and guess ...
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        I see why

        Such stock held purely for the sake of achieving certain objectives and the result should outweigh the cons. Neither the Russian Federation nor the DNR-LNR had a goal of the action, much less to incriminate the hatred of the world. But Ukraine had a goal. And the victims and killings have never been an obstacle to the Western world when it comes to their national interests. And freedom in the Western press ends there nat. interests.
        Then, why 10 planes were shot down before that. And 8 helicopters

        Do not equate war among the natives to a liner with the Dutch, which for some reason the dispatcher led through the danger zone.
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          Neither the Russian Federation nor the DNR-LNR had a goal of the action, much less to incriminate the hatred of the world.

          I agree completely. An accident. In war as in war.

          But Ukraine had a goal.

          Knowingly secretly knocking down a civilian with Europeans is a terrible risk. If they know, do not see Europe as their ears.

          And freedom in the Western press ends there nat. interests.

          And what are their direct interests in such a way to risk this? And it’s not necessary to underestimate Western journalists, it’s not our “what do you want?” Watergate, Iran-Contras, etc.
          Just imagine:
          Trump has now given the sanction to block the European Boeing over Ukraine ...
          1. Albert1988 5 February 2020 17: 58 New
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            I agree completely. An accident. In war as in war.

            It’s such an accident - one in a million - to detect the radar Boeing of a beech launcher, which has an extremely small field of view and needs a main radar to determine the “rough” coordinates of the target. It is as if you are in a huge dark room where a black cat runs, turned on a flashlight and immediately flashed a cat ...
            Quote: Arzt
            Knowingly secretly knocking down a civilian with Europeans is a terrible risk. If they know, do not see Europe as their ears.

            It all depends on the political situation, firstly. From the instructions of the owner in the second. From the usual headache in the third. If the Iranian military shot down an airplane due to bungling, then why couldn't the Ukrainian do the same? Moreover, Ukrainian beeches were around 100%, and judging by the defeat of the cabin by fragments, the rocket went at such an angle that it could be fired only from territory controlled by the APU ...
            Quote: Arzt
            Just imagine:
            Trump has now given the sanction to block the European Boeing over Ukraine ...

            Quite for himself - a provocation quite in their spirit ...
      8. poquello 5 February 2020 23: 27 New
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        Extreme An 26 was shot down 3 days before the Boeing at an altitude of 6300.

        but from this place in more detail, or it seems to me that you are throwing disu
        1. Doctor 6 February 2020 08: 15 New
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          but from this place in more detail, or it seems to me that you are throwing disu

          In WIKI the list of aircraft shot down by militias during a conflict with dates and parameters. But it is clear that VIKI is VIKI.
          1. poquello 6 February 2020 09: 04 New
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            but from this place in more detail, or it seems to me that you are throwing disu

            In WIKI the list of aircraft shot down by militias during a conflict with dates and parameters. But it is clear that VIKI is VIKI.

            ))))))))))))
            during the execution of tasks for landing cargo


            Parachute landing
            Parachute landing 1a) Parachute systems of the MKS-350, MKS-5-128P (M) type are used for heavy cargo landing, equipment and loads are installed on the P-7 parachute platforms.

            - Payload: 2000 - 7300 kg
            - Minimum safe landing height: 500 m
            - Maximum landing height: 1500 m
            - The maximum excess of the landing site above sea level: 2500 m
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              Maximum landing height: 1500 m

              Yes, convincingly. So MANPADS.
  • GenNick 3 February 2020 23: 01 New
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    Bashkirkhan, you know, when I told about this to my respected public at VO, they put so many beats in my back that I felt like a hedgehog.
    But I heard it personally with God with my own ears and saw with my own eyes how the whole General led the story, how Comrade Voloshin on SU-25, having made a half-barrel with a climb, launched 447 air-to-air missiles from a rocket launcher ...
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    Do not watch TV at night - it is harmful to your health!
  • Victorio 4 February 2020 13: 20 New
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    I think Igor Strelkov (aka Igor Girkin), Sergey Dubinsky, Oleg Pulatov and Leonid Kharchenko will be acquitted. The Malaysian Boeing was shot down by the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin on a Su-25, it was shown on TV.

    ====
    we’ll continue to joke as well, when the surname of Bashkirkhan is added to the list of shooters, Dubinsky, Pulatov, Kharchenko !?
  • mirexes 4 February 2020 13: 22 New
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    that's why Ukraine has lost all the data, for example, the dispatcher’s negotiations with this Boeing .....
  • nickname7 5 February 2020 12: 09 New
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    The main principle of investigations is "who benefits"
    Such actions (operations) with grave consequences are carried out only for the sake of certain goals of defending geopolitical interests. So the Russian Federation or the DPR didn’t have such a goal, for the realization of which it was necessary to take action, bring down an airplane, with European citizens. Moreover, then, at the time of escalation and mistrust between Europe and Russia, to bring down European citizens, the top of idiocy is why the Russian Federation is not involved to the incident.
    The second indirect evidence of the RF’s involvement is that even if the purpose of the action existed, the Russian leadership is ready to sacrifice and surrender the interests of the country and will not arrange actions.

    The third indirect evidence is that the West recorded events from radars and satellites, and it would have easily caught the RF by the hand and would have to pay and repent and even lose part of the yachts and estates, which is not acceptable for the leadership of the Russian Federation.

    But Ukraine, just the same, the purpose of the action was to substitute the DNI and LC.
    Being a puppet (colony), the leaders of Ukraine, performers, the action was developed by the Americans, who, while controlling the global media, provided cover through the media and "transfer of arrows" to Russia. By the way, “operations” with airplanes are a favorite method of the USA.

    It is interesting in these events that the liberals, as one, sided with the West, which hints at who they are.
  • Thrifty 3 February 2020 18: 25 New
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    Now, let them arrange a visiting court session, on the field where the plane crashed!
  • TermNachTer 3 February 2020 19: 23 New
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    I think that the Dnepropetrovsk dispatcher who sent the Boeing to the Donbass is already getting rotten somewhere in the landing.
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      Perhaps, maybe under a different name and non-disclosure subscription, he lives in a quiet place.
      1. TermNachTer 3 February 2020 19: 34 New
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        Hardly a very dangerous witness. As Joseph Vissarionovich used to say: "There is no man, no problem."
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          He didn’t say that. Stop slandering him. The West and so together Khrushchev poured 90% of the lies on it.
          1. TermNachTer 4 February 2020 17: 42 New
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            Yes, for God's sake, not Stalin, so not Stalin. The phrase is very correct. The witness is not needed at all and is very dangerous, because he can tell from whom he received the command.
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    I have other names written down - Obama, Poroshenko, Turchenyuk, Muzhenko and some other boobies in lace shorts ... laughing
    But to be serious, the justice of a human court is absurd and not well-founded for one reason with a question - who are the judges?
  • Evil Booth 4 February 2020 15: 15 New
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    Now let's see how much it hangs) shows clippings from TV and newspapers and other things on the subject of where the beeches for Boeing went from Russia to the Kiev mother of Russian cities.
    the top is the site of the Dutch prosecutor's office so the FSE is extremely clear.
  • WILL 3 February 2020 17: 40 New
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    Well, who would doubt that GDP was not blamed immediately?
    Dutch justice is becoming the Internet Meme, as are Dutch investigators.
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      Well, who would doubt that GDP was not blamed immediately?

      And they will come to this .. Just everything has its time. Stalin has already been accused of unleashing World War II. There would be a leader in Russia about what to blame him so it would be found alive. Since the time of Ivan the Terrible, this lawlessness has never happened and there is no end to it ..
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        In general, in half to their accusations, anyway, over time, the story will be rewritten !!! But we no longer know for sure what happened more than a thousand years ago!
        1. Nychego 3 February 2020 18: 38 New
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          anyway, over time, the story will be rewritten!

          Winners always write history.
          And then anyone rewrites it in their own interests.
          Here on Digital History there is a good lecture on the formation of the "black history" of Richard the Third.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuLyfqdpYxU&t=6s
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            The USSR is the winner of the Second World War, but the Poles write and still do not understand who. Your "theory" does not work, the world has become different
      2. WILL 3 February 2020 17: 47 New
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        Yeah ... they crawl on their knees! How to present will be interesting? Having smoked at first for courage or then with a fright? They have a lot of grass - picky ...
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        Girkin is a muddy type. I won’t be surprised if the Dutch narcologists manage to prove that he, too, is Kennedy smile
    2. Piramidon 3 February 2020 17: 47 New
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      Dutch justice is becoming the Internet Meme, as are Dutch investigators.

      English "scientists" forgot to remember. laughing
    3. Leshy1975 3 February 2020 17: 55 New
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      Well, who would doubt that GDP was not blamed immediately?
      Dutch justice is becoming the Internet Meme, as are Dutch investigators.

      Do not worry. This process, for further pressure on the growth. the higher elites will be used at the right time for the West and for the right reason. Maybe it will be the GDP, and maybe someone else, from the immediate environment. The time will come, they will take advantage of this occasion in the West. If only they would not betray Strelkov and others, in exchange for their fate. Yes, and the same Strelkov interferes with many. Political, so to speak, muddies the water, pumps the boat. But firstly, all this alone will not help anyone, not for Strelkov’s sake all this is played out. And secondly, least of all I believe in the guilt of the militia.

      PS For those who argue that this is de fiction and this will never happen. You would say this for the first time to Milosevic when he signed the Dayton Accords as one of the official parties. But in the morning they would say when he was placed in a cell in The Hague. Maybe then it would come to someone that the West plays systemically and for a long time. And he tries to create a lot of reasons and precedents for the future. And when everyone begins to think that history is already forgotten, then the unexpected happens. hi
      1. WILL 3 February 2020 18: 05 New
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        Give an example of "issuance"! Why are you writing this, Such frank nonsense and stupid speculation ???
        There is a Constitution of the Russian Federation, article 61, paragraph 1. A citizen of the Russian Federation cannot be expelled from the Russian Federation or extradited to another state.
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          Give an example of "issuance"! Why are you writing this, Such frank nonsense and stupid speculation ???
          There is a Constitution of the Russian Federation, article 61, paragraph 1. A citizen of the Russian Federation cannot be expelled from the Russian Federation or extradited to another state.

          Isn't that the constitution that in violation of legal procedures are you going to urgently rule in mid-April? They even invented an interesting procedure for this: Voluntary voting. laughing Do not worry again. For the sake of personal prospects, not to be in The Hague, something, again urgently, will be invented.

          PS When you go to a voluntary vote, since you are such an advocate of legality, then remember that the law defines a different mechanism for amending the constitution. hi
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            Quote: Leshy1975
            Quote: ANIMAL
            Give an example of "issuance"! Why are you writing this, Such frank nonsense and stupid speculation ???
            There is a Constitution of the Russian Federation, article 61, paragraph 1. A citizen of the Russian Federation cannot be expelled from the Russian Federation or extradited to another state.

            Isn't that the constitution that in violation of legal procedures are you going to urgently rule in mid-April? They even invented an interesting procedure for this: Voluntary voting. laughing Do not worry again. For the sake of personal prospects, not to be in The Hague, something, again urgently, will be invented.

            PS When you go to a voluntary vote, since you are such an advocate of legality, then remember that the law defines a different mechanism for amending the constitution. hi

            Are you under Alcohol or something? Or did they arrive in a coma? A thousand times the question of amendments to the Constitution was laid out, including on the site ... enough Flood here!
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              Quote: ANIMAL
              Quote: Leshy1975
              Quote: ANIMAL
              Give an example of "issuance"! Why are you writing this, Such frank nonsense and stupid speculation ???
              There is a Constitution of the Russian Federation, article 61, paragraph 1. A citizen of the Russian Federation cannot be expelled from the Russian Federation or extradited to another state.

              Isn't that the constitution that in violation of legal procedures are you going to urgently rule in mid-April? They even invented an interesting procedure for this: Voluntary voting. laughing Do not worry again. For the sake of personal prospects, not to be in The Hague, something, again urgently, will be invented.

              PS When you go to a voluntary vote, since you are such an advocate of legality, then remember that the law defines a different mechanism for amending the constitution. hi

              Are you under Alcohol or something? Or did they arrive in a coma? A thousand times the question of amendments to the Constitution was laid out, including on the site ... enough Flood here!

              I do not use at all. Our sport is everything. Any other arguments besides insults? Come on then, remind me, on the basis of which current legal procedure will you change the constitution?
              1. WILL 3 February 2020 18: 32 New
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                I do not use at all. Our sport is everything. Any other arguments besides insults? Come on then, remind me, on the basis of which current legal procedure will you change the constitution?

                Listen, weave know where you will fool I doubt that you are adequate ...
                Can I repeat the multiplication table with you?
                Go ... you know where! fellow
                1. Leshy1975 3 February 2020 18: 38 New
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                  Quote: ANIMAL
                  Quote: Leshy1975

                  I do not use at all. Our sport is everything. Any other arguments besides insults? Come on then, remind me, on the basis of which current legal procedure will you change the constitution?

                  Listen, weave know where you will fool I doubt that you are adequate ...
                  Can I repeat the multiplication table with you?
                  Go ... you know where! fellow

                  All? Those. except insults and sending arguments still not found? And why did you decide that in the end I will be with you at you? Step further, too adequate.
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                    Exclusively for the purity of the experiment - “Come on then, remind me, on the basis of what current legal procedure the constitution can be changed” (which is in quotation marks your quote) hi
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                      Quote: gurzuf
                      Exclusively for the purity of the experiment - “Come on then, remind me, on the basis of what current legal procedure the constitution can be changed” (which is in quotation marks your quote) hi

                      A little lower, in 20-37 there is already my answer to a similar question. Why do I (like many) consider the proposed procedure a violation of the constitution. Please take a look. And what Mr. Krashennikov writes:
                      "At the same time, he emphasized that the document does not affect the fundamental foundations of the Constitution, that is, does not change chapters 1 and 2."
                      This is generally nonsense. There is no such body of state power as the State Council in the constitution. This is a direct violation of chapter 1. hi
                    2. Leshy1975 3 February 2020 22: 01 New
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                      Quote: gurzuf
                      Exclusively for the purity of the experiment - “Come on then, remind me, on the basis of what current legal procedure the constitution can be changed” (which is in quotation marks your quote) hi

                      If you are interested in the experiment is not the essence of the controversy, and why I switched to you in communication with St. John's wort, then I can also explain. I respectfully debate with anyone who has the opposite opinion, if a person refutes me with his arguments. I recently made a mistake and Nikolai Grek proved to me that the Armored Bus, the data for which I gave, is a fake. Namely, he convinced me. And I am ready to continue to communicate with him on you. But when the opponent moves to a single argument
                      Are you under Alcohol or something? Or did they arrive in a coma?
                      , albeit with a refined appeal to you, then I accordingly switch to you. Because there is no mutual respect here even close. But there is a veiled rudeness and arrogance, without any refutation of my thoughts.
                      I hope I explained it clearly. hi
                2. Svarog51 3 February 2020 19: 59 New
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                  Alexey hi
                  Go ... you know where!

                  With all due respect, it’s impossible. This is not a war, but a polemic. Allowed to speak to everyone and about everything. Even the trolls. But the conclusions are later. With understanding and comprehension of the read. I hope not offended?
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            Isn't this the very constitution that, in violation of legal procedures, is now about to be urgently ruled in mid-April?


            From fresh:

            “In the US, the constitution guarantees a regular change of power. In Russia, the government guarantees a regular change of constitution. ” laughing
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              From fresh:

              “In the US, the constitution guarantees a regular change of power. In Russia, the government guarantees a regular change of constitution. ”

              Change of power in the USA? That's funny)). Separate senators have been sitting since 1981 ... In power - entire dynasties. Offhand: Kennedy, Bushes, Clintons.
              The change of the adopted constitution in the USA, by the way, was carried out 27 times. So, who guarantees to whom and where something is a big question
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              almost funny
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            which in violation of legal procedures

            from this place in more detail
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        Strelkov is no longer troubled, but sits and thumps with Kalashnikov, and constantly demands something unintelligible.
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          Strelkov is no longer troubled, but sits and thumps with Kalashnikov, and constantly demands something unintelligible.

          As I understand it, you also thump together with them, if you are aware of such details? Or do you serve with a garrison? Therefore, we didn’t thump together, but do you know exactly for this “true fact”?
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            Guys finish god anger then.
            One living person with a deceased (6 years already) sits at one table.
            He does not see another catch and arranges his "dance".
            There is a limit to everything.
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              Guys finish god anger then.
              One living person with a deceased (6 years already) sits at one table.
              He does not see another catch and arranges his "dance".
              There is a limit to everything.

              In the sense of? Who is dead? It seems alive, thank God and Strelkov and M. Kalashnikov (political scientist, not the author of the AK-47 assault rifle)
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                Google does not know such a political scientist, there is Leonid Kalashnikov, he knows both Google and Yandex.
                It’s just that both of you argued, just - leave this topic!
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                  Google does not know such a political scientist, there is Leonid Kalashnikov, he knows both Google and Yandex.
                  It’s just that both of you argued, just - leave this topic!

                  Just for information. Maxim Kalashnikov, leading Roy tv. To the Fed. His channels, too, were invited several times, but quickly stopped. Since a person says what he thinks, and not what the leaders and the authorities want to hear. hi
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                    I didn’t know about this, I looked at the “previews” of articles in the search engine results, intriguing, I read more carefully hi
                    Really everyone just understood who they were talking about, I’m just the “old” idiots all remember Mikhail Timofeevich when I mention the name Kalashnikov.
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                      Quote: Chigi
                      I didn’t know about this, I looked at the “previews” of articles in the search engine results, intriguing, I read more carefully hi
                      Really everyone just understood who they were talking about, I’m just the “old” idiots all remember Mikhail Timofeevich when I mention the name Kalashnikov.
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                      We all do not know something or hear for the first time. This is normal, and even more so a little specific and not untwisted media figure. Most citizens do not know about him for sure. hi
                      1. Chigi 3 February 2020 19: 21 New
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                        Ah no, I didn’t let the "old" chuyka down am am am
                        The well-known Volodimir Kucherenko, who put on noise, took the pseudonym Maxim Kalashnikov.
                        You surely know everything about him, it makes no sense to argue
                        I am ashamed to bring to the "milestones" of the creative path of this Odessa.
                        By primary name, everyone will find
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                      Ah ah ah!!! and not ashamed? And as M.Yu. Lermontov
                      - ,, A song about Tsar Ivan Vasilyevich, a young oprichnik and the daring merchant Kalashnikov. '' They went to the same school ...
                      Sincerely.
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        Well, is there any other justified version? Why not voiced? Why are the absurd cartoons of Leontyev even more set up by the Kremlin? I just remember all these messages about "old corpses", "Spanish dispatcher", etc. on Russian inf. channels. The tragedy must be investigated, so why the Russian government is doing everything. to really suspect herself, at least of inaction on the investigation? It is clear that the disaster turned out to be “just in time and as soon as possible” for the Ukrainian side. Will the borders of guilt of each of the parties be established without the participation (without active) participation of Russia? Obviously not. So why such inaction?
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          Quote: Romka
          Well, is there any other justified version? Why not voiced? Why are the absurd cartoons of Leontyev even more set up by the Kremlin? I just remember all these messages about "old corpses", "Spanish dispatcher", etc. on Russian inf. channels. The tragedy must be investigated, so why the Russian government is doing everything. to really suspect herself, at least of inaction on the investigation? It is clear that the disaster turned out to be “just in time and as soon as possible” for the Ukrainian side. Will the borders of guilt of each of the parties be established without the participation (without active) participation of Russia? Obviously not. So why such inaction?

          Yes, how much do I know? I myself am completely perplexed by the inconsistent position that was promoted at the very beginning. It was crushed that they shot down the plane and called the name of the pilot, then later, even so, they shot down the Ukrainian BUK. I have no answer why there was such a mess in versions that disproved themselves. hi
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            It was crushed that they shot down the plane and called the name of the pilot, then later, even so, they shot down the Ukrainian BUK. I have no answer why there was such a mess in versions that disproved themselves

            if you try to reflect, you can easily come to understand that the versions are born and swept away as information is received. And there is nothing surprising in this. Or should the state insist on a version in your own universe, despite the fact that it is not confirmed / disproved by all objective data?
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          So why such inaction?

          Main reason:
          If we admit that there were Russian troops on the territory of the DPR-LPR, the United States and NATO will have the right to introduce their own.
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            And if to attach to the granny - it will turn out to be a grandfather.
    4. Alex Nevs 3 February 2020 18: 12 New
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      Let us condemn to the "Ishak Padishah". And there, and grass does not grow.
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        В
        Dutch prosecutors believe that four people are responsible for the attack on the airliner. Previously, their names were already called. These are Igor Strelkov (aka Igor Girkin), Sergey Dubinsky, Oleg Pulatov and Leonid Kharchenko.

        that is, who exactly was sitting in the booth at the time of the shot and shook the Dutch buttons are not interested?
        And quite by accident, the pilot Voloshin shot himself from a Makarov pistol without license plates, exactly after a request was made to the Journal of his sorties .. how convenient.
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      like the Dutch Investigators


      Nope, like the British scientists.
  • Zoro 3 February 2020 17: 41 New
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    Shaw again in a new circle ..How they got it all already!
  • engineer74 3 February 2020 17: 42 New
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    "Show must go on" regardless of the outcome and common sense sad
  • Van 16 3 February 2020 17: 42 New
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    Which is to be expected. European justice in all its glory.
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      Quote: Van 16
      European justice in all its glory.


      Do not guess! In the foul-smelling consistency of the color of children's surprise.
  • parusnik 3 February 2020 17: 43 New
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    Girkin, the carrier was .... laughing And Kharchenko showed the way ... laughing
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    Well, economic sanctions must be introduced against the Netherlands, not regret
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      Well, economic sanctions must be introduced against the Netherlands, not regret

      I would like to.
      Yes, only Russia is not among the main economic partners of Holland. Therefore, in the economy, we are unlikely to be able to annoy them.
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  • Boa kaa 3 February 2020 17: 45 New
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    The Sabbath begins!
    March 9, we will have to lay out trump cards in the form of photographs of radar screens and space reconnaissance ...
    What will be the answer of the States, which are also hiding something up their sleeve?
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      There they will simply be rejected without admitting evidence.
    2. Alex Nevs 3 February 2020 18: 13 New
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      It is necessary to broadcast Ukro-Valtsman pearls against Trump more often in the media. Then maybe they will.
    3. Chigi 3 February 2020 18: 42 New
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      And the 9th in Russia vykhooooodnoooy winked Sunday 8th Girls, Daughters, Mothers, Beloved Congratulations drinks , in accordance with the schedule, the day off is postponed to Monday the 9th.
      On the 10th, the one to whom they will entrust will lay out what is supposed and where it is supposed to. bully
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      The Sabbath begins!
      March 9, we will have to lay out trump cards in the form of photographs of radar screens and space reconnaissance ...
      What will be the answer of the States, which are also hiding something up their sleeve?

      Well, if the United States had facts, then a long time ago such a howl would have begun, against Russia. We would have long been morally destroyed, etc.
      This they immediately untwist ..
      But alas, here they are covering up their intelligence-saboteurs .. Such things with civilian airliners shot down, they have been cranking in the world for a long time and no one hears .. Who owns the "world media" owns the world .. That’s how the Israeli "comrades" ?
      Again, a new circle will go .. Here about Skripal, for some reason they forgot sharply, etc. ..)))
      1. Svarog51 3 February 2020 20: 33 New
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        After all, so Israeli "comrades"?

        Here it is to the Boa KAA by no means. Alexander COMRADE captain of the first rank. On site - Fleet Admiral. RUSSIAN NAVY OFFICER. Always defends his homeland. It is the homeland.
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          Quote: Svarog51
          After all, so Israeli "comrades"?

          Here it is to the Boa KAA by no means. Alexander COMRADE captain of the first rank. On site - Fleet Admiral. RUSSIAN NAVY OFFICER. Always defends his homeland. It is the homeland.

          I completely agree with him, just under his koment, Sergey expressed his thoughts! I’m comrade frightened here, so I’m squeezing the strong ones .. and authoritative hi
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            Well, I’m not so inclined to believe right away. Especially when there is no name. I don’t know how to appeal humanly, but Zorro impresses me. Like a hero - pretty. hi
      2. Boa kaa 3 February 2020 20: 45 New
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        they cover their intelligence-saboteurs

        It is believed that the operation on MN-117 was turned 404, and British intelligence prepared it.
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          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: Zoro
          they cover their intelligence-saboteurs

          It is believed that the operation on MN-117 was turned 404, and British intelligence prepared it.

          It was the same with the South Korean airliner, etc.
          "Beautifully" they do it all, and they don’t even give a word against.
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          Now they don’t admit to life.
          Alexander hi
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    Well then, we look forward to March 09, 2020 ...
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      Yes you.
      On March 09, 2020, only the composition of the court will be announced, a few phrases will be thrown over, the process will be declared closed just in case, so that by chance no white helmet will be broadcast live, and that’s why they will disperse.
      Five more years will pass before the verdict.
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      Well then, we look forward to March 09, 2020 ...

      Zamut, then the Ukrainian Boeing is on the account .. This is a topic in the "world media" ..
      About the assassination of an Iranian general quietly jammed in all countries .. Under the hysteria of the virus, etc.
      Now we are going to discuss civilian liners that were shot down by Russia and then Iran at the same time ..! How everything is thought out then ..
      Already mongrel all paid and throat will tear to a wheeze in all the news portals of the world ..
      I hope Russia will not make excuses and just send them all negative
      PS The Chinese epidemic will be forgotten all sharply ..)))
      Russia will begin to discuss with Iran. As they bring down civilian Boeing .. psychology however wassat
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  • Dmitry Potapov 3 February 2020 17: 47 New
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    It’s a good case when you can send everyone (to) to The Hague. They do not want to conduct an objective investigation, they ignore good evidence, so you need to ignore this whole coven, conduct your investigation and trial.
  • Tank jacket 3 February 2020 17: 52 New
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    Another zilch. No evidence. The Britons were asked to distract from Brexit.
  • Mountain shooter 3 February 2020 17: 54 New
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    The Sabbath continues ... continuously. Already before the court "reached" ...
  • Adam Khomich 3 February 2020 18: 00 New
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    What trust can there be in a country with legalized drug addiction and prostitution?
    About the same as a drug addict and a prostitute!
  • Retvizan 8 3 February 2020 18: 01 New
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    ... "Until now, a poll (interrogation) of Ukrainian dispatchers has not been published, who for some reason led the plane directly over the epicenter of the fighting" ...
    What surely does not raise my doubts is that it was a specifically planned arrangement!
    And it was not for nothing that the dispatchers led the Boeing to precisely that area, and it was not without reason that a few hours later the Western press raised an ecumenical howl about the fault of Russia.
    1. Alex Nevs 3 February 2020 18: 15 New
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      Yes, it was a long time ago, by indirect signs, that was a stupid Valtsman (or rather, who bent him) provocation.
    2. Vita vko 3 February 2020 18: 44 New
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      It is a pity that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will not yet publicize the causes of this terrorist action. But attentive professional air defense systems should have noticed that literally in one zone of destruction from Buk air defense missile systems and even in one sector of 1grad. (The air defense system was deployed to the village of Zaroshchenskoye) another civilian side was flying, about which the Russian Defense Ministry is still silent. According to trajectory characteristics (optimal height and speed, which is individual for each type), with the probability 90% this board can be identified as IL-96, i.e. Airborne squadron Russia. Who he could transport will become understandable if we analyze the visits of President Putin and members of the Government of Russia during this period. But the Russian side, despite a slightly higher speed, lagged behind and went higher. Probably the reason for the wind, which is very different in different echelons. Therefore, the operator ZRK BUK and captured the goal closer to the Russian border. When working autonomously without automated control systems, it is very easy to make a mistake even for an experienced operator (the identification system for foreign sides does not work).
      Pay attention to the primary radar information presented at the briefing of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Two sides 0143 (Mn-17) and 4722 (Il-96) are in the same sector, about 1 deg near to Zaroshchenskogok. Moreover, the first was at a distance of 10-15 km, and the second 30-35 km (the difference in flight time is only a couple of minutes). Thus, while in the same beam, the SAM system captures primarily the closest target as the most dangerous, and in this case also the closest to the Russian Federation border, which became a decisive factor for the SAM target
      Several facts immediately prove that the provocation was thought out.
      First, why deploy air defense systems in an area where only its own aviation prevails. This is at least dangerous because of the high probability of "friendly fire." Even during the exercises, any aircraft, except for training purposes, are strictly forbidden to fly into the zones of destruction of air defense systems, and here the fighting.
      Secondly, many witnesses confirm the presence of the Su-25 military aircraft in the region. Obviously, according to the plan developed by the CIA, he had a different task. Namely, in accordance with the rules for the suppression of air violations from the beginning, it is necessary to try to force the aircraft to land, and only then open fire on the aircraft. For these purposes, a military aircraft was needed: to indicate the fact of an attempt to force landing, to control the destruction of the target and the "black boxes" in which the dispatcher’s command to change the route was recorded. Regular Ukrainian Su-27 and MiG-29 were not suitable for these purposes, very weak fragmentation protection (the expansion of pieces of the skin of a large aircraft reaches tens of kilometers).
      Consequently, the hunt for Ukrainian terrorists under the leadership of the US CIA was conducted precisely over the Russian side No. 1, and if a Russian aircraft were shot down, then a deviation from the route, the presence of a Ukrainian military aircraft in the area would be presented as protecting the airspace of Ukraine from Russian aggression.
      Thus, in this planned tragedy, everything becomes logical except that the wrong plane was shot down. The Ukrainian air defense system was hunted overboard by the President of Russia, and if the Ukrainian branch of the CIA had succeeded, then for 4 years all of Ukraine, and possibly Europe, has been drawn into a real war with Russia, which the United States has sought and is still seeking.
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        Quote: Vita VKO
        confirm the fact of the presence in the region of the Ukrainian military aircraft Su-25. Obviously, according to the plan developed by the CIA, he had a different task. Namely, in accordance with the rules for the suppression of air violations, from the beginning it is necessary to try to force the aircraft to land, and only then open fire on the aircraft. For these purposes, a military aircraft was needed: to indicate the fact of an attempt to force landing, to control the destruction of the target and the "black boxes" in which the dispatcher’s command to change the route was recorded. The regular Ukrainian Su-27 and MiG-29 were not suitable for these purposes, very weak fragmentation protection (the expansion of pieces of the skin of a large aircraft reaches tens of kilometers)

        Use the Su-25 to force landing an aircraft flying at an altitude of 10 km !? request Sorry, but you are definitely very susceptible to the propaganda and delirium of Ren TV.
  • Azazelo 3 February 2020 18: 03 New
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    Mockery with a capital letter. Spit in the face like "justice" ...
  • Den717 3 February 2020 18: 03 New
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    If the main principle of proof was “highly likly”, then it is surprising why they took this booth for so long, and where did taxpayers spend money? With this new formula of justice, every European court becomes a cheap bunch of puppets that do not need investigative actions and procedures. The planned changes to the Constitution of the Russian Federation are quite reasonable, especially regarding the priority of our domestic legislation.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974 3 February 2020 18: 23 New
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      If the main principle of proving was “Haili Likely”, ....... when they torn to pieces Yugoslavia and then Serbia, there was such a procurator in the tribunal of the eider, a certain Karl Delpont, Duc said goodbye to Melosevic and co, but as soon as she left she started to scribble memoirs about the fact that everything from beginning to end was a fiction with terrible acts from the West, but the deed was done and the snot delpont turned out to be just snot, so it will be with mn17, the truth this time will not be nice, but there will be a soap bubble with sawing dough
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        but as soon as she left she began to scribble memoirs

        It’s a normal state for a society with double standards, which once again shows that, when passing the wrong sentences, they were not mistaken, but acted intentionally outside the framework of justice for political reasons. In principle, this is a long-standing European tradition, i.e. "European value" is called racism.
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          acted intentionally outside the framework of justice ..... yes there is the very justice in the daytime with fire you will not find, sheer fiction. and holland itself is no longer a state but a shadow of the state
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            and holland itself is no longer a state but a shadow of the state

            No matter how I belong to Europe, but the Netherlands is still far from a "shadow ..." We are with you still oh how far in many ways.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974 3 February 2020 18: 51 New
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              You and I still need to understand how far in many respects ...... explain in what parameters far ... perhaps in sexual perversions and drug trafficking, perhaps hardly when we catch up, but in everything else ...... explain what is it so far
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                explain what it is so far

                Firstly, an unknown person is respected there and not familiarized. There are still production technologies for some of the subtle things that we are forced to buy from them, and not Simferopol, for example. Their per capita GDP is twice as high. And if they are tolerant of perverts and drug addicts, then we may well not take an example from them in directions that are alien to us.
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                  production of some subtle things, ...... it is not clear what subtle things ??? GMO chtol? Duc from this already all are denied as hell from incense, along the stub branch of science ..... ..... GDP per capita. in our megacities, per capita GDP, the Atlanteans themselves would envy not just Holland, so they would not convince. , especially nothing to envy. so for the course. in the strategic initiative, they do not build dams on the coasts, but they build there, but how long will they last?
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                    in our megacities, per capita GDP, the Atlanteans themselves would envy

                    Obviously, it makes no sense for you to explain the signs of a strong economy.
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                      there is no point in explaining the signs of a strong economy ..... why not, because a strong economy is when its territory is provided with energy and other things, and in Russia it is not just huge but super-huge. I can offer you to calculate how many goandians will fit in the Russian Federation ... and then we will consider at the expense of the economy
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                explain what it is so far


                Type in the internet for example: Damen
                See the assortment.
                1. Crimean partisan 1974 3 February 2020 19: 43 New
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                  Type in the internet for example: Damen .... so what is the question, type Sevmash, or did the holnatsi learn how to make ships with atomic power plants? even more substantial need to be offered in this debate
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                    type Sevmash, or did the holnatsi learn how to make ships with nuclear power plants? even more substantial need to be offered in this debate

                    Without Holland, there would be no Sevmash.
                    Annual income
                    Netherlands 344 billion
                    Russia 309 165 billion
                    By Human Development Index
                    Netherlands 10th place
                    Россия 49
                    In 1575, they opened the first university (Leiden),
                    with us, Ivan the Terrible became prime minister - he seated Bekbulatych on the throne tongue

                    It's not that everything is bad with us, but with chocolate. Simply, the Netherlands is far from a shadow. It's not just about the size of the country, the Vatican is 440 sq. Km. meters, but if they want - they’ll put half the world with cancer.
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        Iranian Boeing was shot down 200km from Ajis, and something like that, not like Tu154 to Israel.
  • Strashila 3 February 2020 18: 08 New
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    "Indeed, for more than five years, the Dutch investigation did not even bother to fully lay out the fragments of the aircraft in order to be able to study in detail the direction of the airliner’s defeat." In order to make a full calculation, it was necessary to collect all the fragments from the aircraft, and no one did .
    I personally have a big doubt about the possibility of a real judicial review, the perpetrators are appointed and approved.
    All this acceleration is very indicative against the background of events in Iran, there was talked about the possibility of third parties interfering in the aircraft transponder operating modes.
  • Ros 56 3 February 2020 18: 10 New
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    Well, what else can you expect from a country of drug addicts and people of the lowest social responsibility. It was once that Tsar Peter the Great studied with them, but now these are six striped. You might think someone will go there, well, if you send Shoigu with the team, there’s not enough space there.
  • Zaurbek 3 February 2020 18: 12 New
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    I bought Popcorn. I hope to declassify the evidence, and there will be no phrases "Very likely."
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      This is a common wording in their case law.
      There is still the wording “beyond all reasonable doubts”, otherwise we fell in love with cinema “irrefutable evidence”
      1. Zaurbek 3 February 2020 18: 27 New
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        The coolest: "There is evidence, but they are classified!"
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          “We have such devices, but we won’t tell you about them” laughing

          Let's see what will happen in court
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      I bought Popcorn. I hope to declassify the evidence, and there will be no phrases "Very likely."


      And here is their "trump card", the evidence is secret and only a judge can see them ... but something tells me that the process will be very interesting and it will not please the West.
      1. Zaurbek 3 February 2020 19: 44 New
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        How then should the accused believe in the charge?
        1. cniza 3 February 2020 20: 40 New
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          Did it ever bother them?
          1. Zaurbek 3 February 2020 21: 24 New
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            ... this may stop worrying the accused and their jurisdiction. This is also a problem.
            1. cniza 3 February 2020 21: 37 New
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              Yes, but the main thing is to smear it, and there go prove it ...
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                It could be something like the Skripals.
  • Lamata 3 February 2020 18: 14 New
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    Girkin’s position, which he expressed at the debate with Navalny, is known
    He denied having been shot down by militias, but actually refused to blame the Ukrainian side.
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    Or maybe take this opportunity to send them to hell. They also arranged some sort of trial ...
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    Indeed, for more than five years, the Dutch investigation did not even bother to fully lay out the fragments of the aircraft in order to be able to study in detail the direction of the airliner.


    That is, they continue to feel sick and vomit?
  • anjey 3 February 2020 18: 52 New
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    The devilad of western justice lasted the sixth year, in the photo Dutch witches ??? ......
    1. anjey 3 February 2020 19: 06 New
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      Such a rotten and politicized-theatrical justice is on fire.
  • Kibl 3 February 2020 19: 18 New
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    The circus is big, the judges are cursing, well, for the “right way” they will issue the verdict “Russia is to blame.” Well, who would doubt that while there is such a country on the globe, it will always and directly or indirectly be to blame for everything. And who else ?!
  • faterdom 3 February 2020 19: 19 New
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    If only our Euro-pasukas would not have guessed to participate in this court. That in advance should not recognize his competence to consider this incident.
  • oldzek 3 February 2020 19: 40 New
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    white soot, hot ice, British scientists, Dutch investigators and European justice ....
  • alexey alexeyev_2 3 February 2020 20: 10 New
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    Blame everything on GDP. And don’t go to the grandmother ... After all, he seemed to be flying nearby
  • iouris 3 February 2020 20: 39 New
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    Poland has already "won a historical dispute with Russia" ...
  • anjey 3 February 2020 21: 07 New
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    Dispatcher where is Ukrainian? It’s not clear on which basis the plane was lowered, and what kind of idiots country, which maintains a database, sends a liner with passengers to this area, according to all the primary signs of Krajina’s wine, what else can I talk about, and if its intentional provocation in the downing of a Boeing, it’s twofold to blame ..
  • Pup1 3 February 2020 21: 10 New
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    The Dutch name for the shooter ... and sanctions ... there is something to cover for import ...
  • olimpiada15 3 February 2020 21: 14 New
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    Europe once again showed its rotten essence. Imposes an incredible abomination on the world.
    Rather, the Bedouin version should be taken as a model for the world. Recently I read about the tribal showdown. Some living creature was stolen from another tribe. Elders gathered. Animals returned to the owner. But for the theft, an additional cost of 10 times the damage was calculated, then the return was cleared, but the amount remained impressive. Very effective, it doesn’t seem like a thief, repeating is very detrimental to yourself. It is clear that such measures apply only to their own, unfortunately.
    The EU is showing bias and no investigation. Disassembly with random faces. There are no culprits among them. It was a special operation against the Russian Federation. They found scapegoats not related to the tragedy. There was no investigation, the court will be. European justice will demonstrate how to not.
  • Chingachguk 3 February 2020 21: 49 New
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    Another circus, another slap of the Russian Federation, another stink, sanctions, hali likes, and again Russia will all "eat" and endure ....
  • Chepa 3 February 2020 22: 11 New
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    European showmen
  • Alsur 3 February 2020 22: 19 New
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    Quote: Leshy1975
    Yes, how much do I know? I myself am completely perplexed by the inconsistent position that was promoted at the very beginning. It was crushed that they shot down the plane and called the name of the pilot, then later, even so, they shot down the Ukrainian BUK. I have no answer why there was such a mess in versions that disproved themselves.

    This may be due to the fact that Russia did not participate and, accordingly, does not have knowledge of what happened. Therefore, different versions are possible, because he knows what happened, only the one who shot down.
  • Alexey from Perm 3 February 2020 23: 14 New
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    how much will their court be able to withstand principle? It is unknown .. But if the defense has such iron evidence, then let it be tried but without appearing in court))
  • Aleks2000 3 February 2020 23: 42 New
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    https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1325017
    https://vz.ru/news/2014/7/14/695525.html
    https://ria.ru/20140717/1016409306.html

    still lie
  • sleeve 4 February 2020 05: 16 New
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    Oh, by itself, again in a new way with truthstones to dive? But is it necessary? Tired of true speculation. Tired of the fact itself is crushed by the investigative-judicial system in the west. Tired of Ukrainian unflagging howl about aggression. Spit on their body movements deeply and cross to cross.
  • master 52 4 February 2020 06: 09 New
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    for such statements, for 5 years, an investigation could not be conducted; this is a custom-made political investigation, the true perpetrators unfortunately have not yet been named
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    It seems that none of the writers on this topic have read the reports of the Dutch commission, which were regularly published even before the famous Statement appeared.
    I didn’t even bother to fully lay out fragments of the plane,
    And there, the situation in the area of ​​the fall of the debris was explained. Skirmishes and shelling were constantly taking place in this zone, and while the first group arrived to collect the wreckage, the "front line" crossed this zone several times. So far from all the debris was collected.
    for some reason led the plane directly over the epicenter of hostilities
    - both before and during the flight of the unfortunate flight, other planes flew there. So this is not a question for dispatchers, but for the Ukrainian authorities and airlines.
    ignored own frames
    - apparently, they considered our arguments unconvincing. Why? Well, I don’t know, they will probably explain it at the court hearings.
  • Jarserge 4 February 2020 08: 02 New
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    What to expect from American puppets. All normal people of the planet laugh at them.
  • Pacifist 4 February 2020 08: 18 New
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    Those. these scum brain never turned on. But isn’t it time to think about the investigative actions in relation to persons making obviously false accusations against Russian citizens, and to issue an extraterritorial detention order to the relevant services. Not the fact that they will need to use it, but the very fact of its presence will set the brain for many.
  • Dmitry V. 4 February 2020 12: 28 New
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    the Dutch investigation did not even bother to carry out a complete calculation of the fragments of the aircraft


    Photos indicate otherwise.
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      on the half-hull layout is dumb) PS, it is the presence of both sides of the cabin WITHOUT warrants indicates a launch from ukrostorona. when starting from the LDNR section, sedges would have pierced both sides of the cabin but the second side is intact.
  • Victorio 4 February 2020 13: 10 New
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    so quiet glanders and appointed the perpetrators
  • andrew42 4 February 2020 13: 15 New
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    Send this court, and the farther and harder, the better. The main thing is intelligent, according to Lavrovsky. Then they correctly recalled Milosevic. The Hague has since cried Iskander.
  • qpeqop 4 February 2020 14: 14 New
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    Quote: Terenin
    you have to call a special team?

    It’s time for you to call a special team if you don’t understand sarcasm.
  • qpeqop 4 February 2020 14: 20 New
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    Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
    Photos indicate otherwise.

    Not a single fragment with traces of damaging elements. Everyone hid it.
  • qpeqop 4 February 2020 14: 24 New
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    the front line crossed this zone several times. So far from all the debris was collected.

    Not true. The militia didn’t let anyone in and kept the crash site, despite the fierce attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. Evil Booth 4 February 2020 15: 21 New
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      in fact, the version of the same Malaysians is that the Ukrainians tried to kill them along the way and they bombarded the place itself with fire so as not to give anything to collect