British users comment on plans for the appearance of PAK DA in Russia in 2027


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The British press is discussing the plans of the Russian Ministry of Defense for the production of promising long-range aviation systems aviation (PACK YES). Recall that, plans to begin production of PAK DA planes are planned to begin in 2027.

The British Military Journal publishes material stating that this is Russia's next project to create a promising military aircraft - after the PAK FA project. At the same time, it was noted that the Su-57 was created in several copies, but has not yet joined the troops.

Noteworthy are the comments of readers of the aforementioned British publication, speaking out about the prospects of creating the latest long-range aircraft for the Russian Air Force.

Here are a few comments from British users about Russian plans.

British users comment on plans for the appearance of PAK DA in Russia in 2027

James M:

Probably, the Chinese are more likely to get this aircraft into service than the Russians, given the announced successes of the T-14 programs (Armata, approx. “VO”) and Su-57.

Geoffrey Roach:

And how many really such planes will be built and at what price? I suspect it is very expensive. If this takes money from other programs (RF Armed Forces), so be it.

Harry B:

Perhaps this will happen if only the Russians abandon their mega-army fetish, and even get rid of their universal military service and ancient Soviet equipment for digitalization, and also spend less on many nuclear missiles. They really can have the world's leading, flexible and modern armed forces.


Also, British readers of the magazine mentioned that "it remains to wait for the release of the Chinese copy of the Russian PAK DA."
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  1. Thrifty 3 February 2020 16: 25 New
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    Double opinion. ..In general, discussing plans for the future is possible only if these plans are regularly and successfully implemented. But, in our country this is far from that.
    1. Lexus 3 February 2020 17: 07 New
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      if these plans are regularly and successfully implemented. But, in our country this is far from that.

      Massive start-up promises to bomb the enemy, alas, are incapable.
  2. cniza 3 February 2020 16: 29 New
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    Also, British readers of the magazine mentioned that "it remains to wait for the release of the Chinese copy of the Russian PAK DA."


    There's something about it.
    1. svp67 3 February 2020 16: 33 New
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      There's something about it.

      What? A couple of times the Chinese were presented with real attack aircraft, these were IL-28 and Tu-16 ... We didn’t do such stupidity anymore and I think we won’t do it.
      1. cniza 3 February 2020 16: 46 New
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        They will buy and copy, they already did that ...
        1. Zoro 3 February 2020 16: 49 New
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          Quote: cniza
          They will buy and copy, they already did that ...

          Well, you can certainly argue externally, but the stuffing is much more complicated .. If only the documentation is stolen and the drawings.
          1. svp67 3 February 2020 16: 54 New
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            Quote: Zoro
            Well, you can certainly argue externally, but the stuffing is much more complicated .. If only the documentation is stolen and the drawings.

            Here ... here there was information that the Chinese had a plane "suspiciously similar" to our Su-34. I would like to take a look
        2. svp67 3 February 2020 16: 53 New
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          Quote: cniza
          They will buy and copy, they already did that ...

          Yeah ... like Tu-22, Tu-95, Tu-160 ...
          1. bayard 4 February 2020 02: 02 New
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            Quote: svp67
            Yeah ... like Tu-22, Tu-95, Tu-160

            With tongue removed. The Chinese are very. Even very interested in the Tu-22M3. And they had time, money and opportunities to get hold of both the documentation and even (if you try) ready-made samples.
            But nothing similar is observed.
            First of all, these are engines.
            The Chinese are not capable of this and will not be able for a long time. There are schools of engineering design, and a production culture, metal science ... a long way, you won’t overcome it with one leap.
            At one time (at the turn of 2010, + -) there were statements that Russia was ready to lease some of the Tu-22M3 to China ... then - something could grow together and show the result in 15 years ... But .. . did not grow together.
            And this is HEALTHY!
        3. NEXUS 3 February 2020 17: 02 New
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          Quote: cniza
          They will buy and copy, they already did that ...

          Dvigun for fighter how many copied?
          1. cniza 3 February 2020 17: 19 New
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            They still can’t really, but progress is noticeable, our neighbors helped them a lot ...
          2. Lexus 3 February 2020 17: 23 New
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            Andrei, they still had nothing 30 years ago. And now in many industries it remains quietly envious. And rest assured, the specialists of Motor Sich, Progress ZMKB named after Academician A. G. Ivchenko, as well as the "optimized" UEC employees, whose competitiveness in Russia, unlike the Sechins and Millerov, are "nobody" worried, will certainly help for a very reasonable fee.
            1. NEXUS 3 February 2020 17: 28 New
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              Quote: lexus
              unlike the Sechins and Millers, "no one" is worried, they will certainly help for a very reasonable fee.

              Maybe they will help, but maybe not ... besides, I do not consider the same China as the enemy. In fact, China did not fight much with anyone. Why would he do this, if there is an alternative to just cooperate and not go to conflict?
              Of course, the progress of the Chinese in person. And I already said that I would not be surprised at all if in many military areas we will catch up with China in the foreseeable future.
              I asked the question why ... yes because many people think that copying the military complex is quite simple, which is a priori wrong.
              1. Lexus 3 February 2020 17: 42 New
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                Maybe they will help, but maybe not ...

                The goals are set, they do not spare resources, they do not pass by the "badly lying" ones. Will do 100%.
                Yes, because it seems to many that copying a military complex is quite simple, which is a priori wrong.

                You have to start with something. The Chinese have already proven that such a scheme is viable and working. Not from scratch.
                I won’t be surprised at all if in many military areas we will catch up with China in the foreseeable future.

                And, with our “successes” today, I’ll never catch up.

                What will we discuss then?
            2. Boa kaa 3 February 2020 18: 02 New
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              Quote: lexus
              "optimized" UEC employees ... will certainly help for a very reasonable fee.
              You, apparently, have never worked in a “box” (did not serve)! Those who are able to move science have F-1 clearance, and for 10 years they will not let them go for the "harmonica" ... Now, after 5 years, the generation of aircraft changes ... And who the fuck are they going to need after 10 years of "conservation"?
              And those who decide to trade secrets from under the floor ... will regret very much ... and no money will be needed then!
              1. Lexus 3 February 2020 18: 38 New
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                admission to F-1, and for it 10 years for the "harmonica" do not let go ... "

                And how do officials go to permanent residence? Or were there no mysterious "killings" of designers? Do you believe that they were all killed? Me not. And the investigation ended in nothing. Do you remember this character?

                Now, after 5 years, the generation of aircraft is changing ...

                I live in Russia ... No, I have not seen ... for 30 years. Alas.
                1. Boa kaa 3 February 2020 19: 14 New
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                  Quote: lexus
                  And officials go to permanent residence

                  The official, as a rule, is familiar with the problem in general terms, and mainly in terms of the organization of production. He is not the bearer of ideas and know-how! If he didn’t copy-paste the documents, then by and large it’s a dummy, and if he dragged the documents over the hill, then he is a traitor and “spy”, according to whom SMERSH-NKVD-KGB-FSB cry in anticipation of a warm meeting.
                  About Adamov. A man burned out on greed. He was charged with misappropriation of $ 9 million and abuse of office. He was not charged with treason (in the form of espionage in favor of a foreign state). Therefore - not a fact. And the time of 2002-2004 in terms of "liberalism" was muddy ... not like now.
                  1. Lexus 3 February 2020 20: 03 New
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                    The official, as a rule, is familiar with the problem in general terms, and mainly in terms of the organization of production.

                    This is called incompetent, but in fact "superficial." How can such a character lead? No way, ^ Roskomnadzor ^.
                    If he did not copy the documents

                    And who will hinder if they bring him for signature?
                    SMERSH-NKVD-KGB

                    Alas, the past.
                    FSB cry in anticipation of a warm meeting

                    Over money in apartments and garages, paid parking lots, depressed businesses and people criticizing ^ Roskomnadzor ^
                    And the time of 2002-2004 in terms of "liberalism" was muddy ... not like now

                    Are you seriously? I don’t see that something has changed radically.
              2. Range 4 February 2020 00: 12 New
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                Let us discuss troubles only as they come. Ah, that. Will be! Will not! There is an old wise saying: “Never show half-done work to foolish people.” Although there is a worse expression, but the meaning is the same.
        4. Boa kaa 3 February 2020 17: 53 New
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          Quote: cniza
          Buy and copy

          Of course, they could buy something ... But only who will sell it to them !?
          This is a strategic type of weapon, not some kind of front-line bomber. So, khinki will have to "roll up their lips back"!
          AHA.
    2. Range 3 February 2020 23: 29 New
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      Probably another nesting doll inside.
    3. Range 3 February 2020 23: 30 New
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      Quote: cniza
      There's something about it.


      Probably another nesting doll inside.
  3. Prjanik 3 February 2020 16: 36 New
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    Perhaps this will happen if only the Russians abandon their mega-army fetish and get rid of their universal military service and ancient Soviet equipment for digitalization, as well as spend less on many nuclear missiles. They really can have the world's leading, flexible and modern armed forces.
    Some of them are very far from life there.
    1. orionvitt 3 February 2020 17: 53 New
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      Quote: Prjanik
      Some of them are very far from life there.

      I suppose you need to read like this. "If the Russians reduce the army, abandon the draft, dispose of equipment, will not build missiles, then the army will be what is needed." Do not wait.
      1. Prjanik 3 February 2020 17: 59 New
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        I think they have such thoughts there because they are confident in their star-striped "roof". But I wouldn’t be so sure, we live under capitalism.
  4. prior 3 February 2020 16: 51 New
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    I wonder who will be the first to release, are we the original PAK YES or China copy of it ?!
    1. Jack O'Neill 3 February 2020 17: 18 New
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      In general, your comment makes you think.
      Both funny and sad ...
    2. Boa kaa 3 February 2020 18: 12 New
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      Quote: prior
      I wonder who will be the first to release, are we the original PAK YES or China copy of it ?!

      - Who, who !? - Americans, they will make their B-21 "Raider" before us and the hunfuze!
      But unlike the Chinese, the Yankees are obvious enemies who do not even hide this!
      That's what you need to fear! And they, unlike the Chinese, have no problems with the engines, and the electronics will probably be better ...
      But.
  5. Invoce 3 February 2020 16: 54 New
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    Comments from the series "British scientists ....."
    God forbid that it is urgently needed, in time trouble mode, to rearm the Army .... It will still be the case that the Armed Forces will receive all that is planned, only the Price will be much higher. And the oligarchs who own the factories and means of production, and the liberals and workers will pay their price. Some work without days off for 12 hours a day, others with money and freedom, but Russia will nevertheless and unequivocally receive all that is planned.
    So all these forecasts and estimated opinions can be turned into a tube and ......
    You don’t even need to try to push us into a ditch and mock at the same time, even because any ditch, if necessary, turns into a trench for a Russian person
  6. Amateur 3 February 2020 16: 54 New
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    The British press is discussing the plans of the Russian Ministry of Defense for the production of promising long-range aviation systems (PAK YES).

    Nostradamus + Baba Wang + English scientists = article on VO
  7. kit88 3 February 2020 16: 57 New
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    British users expressed their opinion. What is reasonable in their comments is present.
    Now we are waiting for the thoughts of British scientists. That the mind rested little.
  8. 1536 3 February 2020 16: 58 New
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    As I understand it, the British are making fun of us, locking their pounds in bank cells and listening to how half the world speaks English? Well, the one who laughs last laughs well.
  9. fa2998 3 February 2020 17: 10 New
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    Quote: cniza
    Also, British readers of the magazine mentioned that "it remains to wait for the release of the Chinese copy of the Russian PAK DA."


    There's something about it.

    Since the fifties, we have put a lot of "on the wing" -Tu-95, "22,160 is only from long-range bomber aircraft-CHINA stubbornly flies on a TU-16. yes hi
  10. Ratmir_Ryazan 3 February 2020 17: 19 New
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    In Russia there is no conscription, there is a constitutional duty to defend our country to anyone who considers himself a peasant !!!

    Although the format of the urgent service I would partially change:

    - canceled ALL deferrals, since I do not see any reason other than disability of the 1st group that would relieve a man from the need to be able to defend his country;

    - BUT, in addition to military service in the active forces, I would have introduced the possibility of military service in special training centers established in each region of the country for the most popular military specialties. Moreover, training in them will take place on the principle of evening schools, study / work during the day, and military training in the evening / on the weekend - theory, tactics, shooting, exercises, etc. The completion of training occurs only after passing the exam with the assignment of a military specialty and class. Missing classes and ignoring training without good reason is equated with desertion with criminal prosecution. As a preventive measure, the replacement of training in a training center with the service in the active forces or immediately in the disbath can be used.

    The essence of military training is not to let the soldiers wash the floors and chalk of the street for a year, but to receive a military specialty and represent the army, navy and tactics of modern combat operations and be able to use modern weapons, communications systems, etc. !!!!

    With such a system, we will get almost 100% preparedness of the country's male population for war and we will not pull people out of the economy unless absolutely necessary, but we will be able to prepare them at the place of residence, which will affect the growth of defense and GDP as well.
    1. A.TOR 3 February 2020 17: 55 New
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      Do you want 15-20 percent of young people to rush out of the country?
      1. AU Ivanov. 3 February 2020 19: 49 New
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        Let them go. A person who does not consider himself a citizen is not needed in the country. And even harmful.
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan 6 February 2020 10: 20 New
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        Do you want 15-20 percent of young people to rush out of the country?


        And why do we need those who do not even want to learn to defend their country ?!

        In Israel, military service is 3 years and women serve - this is an example that is worth leveling out.

        We don’t need an army of mercenaries where only those whom they need serve serve, and the rich don’t owe anything to the Motherland, we need a popular army where, in addition to civilian specialties and professions, every man has a military and contract soldiers in the army, we also need to serve they must not by necessity, but by vocation.

        The Russian army and navy should be a temple for society, and not a sedimentation tank for the poor.
    2. standan 4 February 2020 14: 59 New
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      I agree completely
  11. Buffet 3 February 2020 17: 25 New
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    Well, who could talk about our armament as non-British, they ruined their own defense industry. What themselves have been breakthrough in recent times? Aircraft carriers do not count, springboard. And American aviation. Although the budget is comparable with the Russian ...
  12. Ros 56 3 February 2020 17: 54 New
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    Has anyone already presented our plans for PAK-YES to the little ones? Hiley Likely it Squeaked. Well, there’s no word for balabolki, some obscene thoughts.
  13. _Ugene_ 3 February 2020 21: 43 New
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    in all the comments given there is common sense, I agree more likely than vice versa
  14. lvov_aleksey 3 February 2020 23: 36 New
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    everything is simpler here, they were shown a picture, they are already resting, the conclusion is that they don’t know where the truth is
  15. bars1 4 February 2020 00: 12 New
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    It’s someone who’s ironic over us (not the British) (only some BTT models are developed and built on their own, the rest is bought or developed by a bugger - neither mind nor money!). The Chinese have more rights to this.
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    British users comment on plans for the appearance of PAK DA in Russia in 2027

    Here is the title!
    The expression "appearance plan" This pearl is worthy of only comments from British subjects.
    Even cats, God forgive me, are suddenly not born ... And then Bdyshch! There was not and suddenly ...
    It arrived 2027 ... and flew
    Whole such
  17. Nitarius 4 February 2020 07: 47 New
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    my god .. well, does it tell these murderers about conscience, and so on! All wars with their filing! so .. jump!
  18. Alexey-74 4 February 2020 11: 59 New
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    Less our would publicize plans publicly, and more and silently would do ..... it is more effective many times ....