Hypersonic advantage of Russia over the USA compared with the launch of the first Earth satellite

The United States is forced to actively engage in the development of its own hypersonic weapons, as Russia's successes in this area have already caused changes in the space in which hostilities are being conducted. This opinion was expressed by Acting Secretary of the American Navy Thomas Modley in a note addressed to the troops of this kind of troops.

The situation resembles the situation in the middle of the 20th century, when the USSR launched the first Earth satellite. Then the Americans also had to urgently catch up.

Today, to narrow the gap, the US Department of Defense will begin testing the first prototypes in the field of hypersound already in 2020. It will be very difficult to catch up with Russia, since Russian-made Zircon hypersonic missiles will enter the army within the next few years.

Modley called on the Pentagon to take Russian supremacy in hypersound seriously:

In fact, the possible ways of using hypersonic technologies have already changed the space of warfare, just as it was with nuclear technology in the last century. Therefore we, when it comes to hypersonic weapons, must announce the general command "Forward!"

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[KAVBER]

Yes, yes, yes, tear yourself up already catching up, only forward, full forward

[smart ass]

Passed already in the USSR caught up navel tore

[Thrifty]

Come on, what other hypersound , here on the site many are sure that these are all fairy tales for adults The spears break in a serious argument, and the truth does not want to be born

[Chaldon48]

However, it should be noted that the "Zircon" has not yet been adopted for service, it will be possible to talk about something serious only when the first carrier with these missiles appears. It would be nice to try a couple of rockets on the barmaley.

[neri73-r]

Quote: Chaldon48

It would not be bad to try a couple of rockets on barmaley.

Wow, nail gold nails .......

[bessmertniy]

Late, gentlemen, click with your beak. : You can’t catch up with us in this.

[cniza]

It will be very difficult to catch up with Russia, since Russian-made Zircon hypersonic missiles will enter the army within the next few years.

They vibrated, but the impression is that under these screams, they really want to knock out more money.

[rocket757]

Hi
Other times, other Wishlist. In principle, hyper weapons did not change the fundamental balance of power - we all also have the opportunity to smash each other in the trash! It was yesterday that something fundamentally changed.
Plans are different, doctrines, it can be "beautiful" on paper, no one would ever dare to check it. So sho "full speed ahead" will not fundamentally change anything, outside, at least, but internal, their, layouts, we do not understand everything and not always.

[cniza]

So it is clear that it is foolish to compete according to the principle: - "we can destroy the earth 10 times, and you only three ..."

[rocket757]

Everything is correct. And not many people survive the first time ... but those who survived may well regret, afterwards, that they survived the first time.

[orionvitt]

Quote: cniza

we can destroy the earth 10 times, and you only three ...

North Korea, generally with a pair of warheads (and it is unknown), bolted the bolts at all and sent them away. And a ride. The US has worn off and rolled away. True Trump called it a victory.

[cniza]

So it became clear to everyone how to send the USA ...

[smart ass]

You can generally lay the most powerful hydrogen bomb in the mine, where is the thread in Siberia. If something happens, blow up the planet into dust, don’t get to anyone !!

[Grim Reaper]

Have you lost your "cuckoo" completely?

[yustas]

Laid for yourself there, global warming didn’t come with us, again, someone stole along the way (

[bouncyhunter]

Victor, hi!

Quote: rocket757

Other times, other Wishlist

How not to remember "O tempora, o mores!" ...

Quote: rocket757

internal, their, layouts we understand not everything and not always

In principle, it is impossible to understand the spiders in the bank. Only the goal is clear: gobble up!

[Cowbra]

Royal Orchestra of Norway.

[aszzz888]

If they hadn’t crawled for decades, thanks to)) the mediocre, criminal leaders of the state, the mericatos would not have acted like they are now.

[Gray brother]

Quote: aszzz888

If they hadn’t crawled for decades, thanks to)) the mediocre, criminal leaders of the state, the mericatos would not have acted like they are now.

Are you talking about which country are you writing about? Half a ball fits this description.

[aszzz888]

Gray Brother (Sergey) Today, 10: 13
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Quote: aszzz888
If they hadn’t crawled for decades, thanks to)) the mediocre, criminal leaders of the state, the mericatos would not have acted like they are now.

It is you about which country he writesis it?

Definitely not about mumbo-jumbo.

Half ball fits this description

And that "half" I have no interest at all.

[Gray brother]

Quote: aszzz888

Definitely not about mumbo-jumbo.

There is no such country.

Quote: aszzz888

And that "half" I have no interest at all.

But in vain. So it is possible to become like the "globe of Ukraine".

[Gray brother]

Quote from rudolf

Everyone is afraid and envious!

Well, not that they are afraid, but hysteria is good. "Zircon" is not yet there, but "Dagger" and "Vanguard" are already there.
And no one will tell you the actual performance characteristics anyway - military secret.

[Gray brother]

Quote from rudolf

The main performance characteristics of Zircon is impossible to hide

Perhaps - why not? Radar stations are not available everywhere, and the "window" satellites have weather conditions.

[Gray brother]

Quote from rudolf

There are dozens and dozens of launches within the framework of the LTI.

Well, not yet at the limit of performance.

[Gray brother]

Quote from rudolf

Vanguard, this is an ICBM. All ICBM and SLBM warheads have initially hypersonic speed.

The Vanguard is a maneuvering warhead, not an ICBM.

Quote from rudolf

Dagger, an air-based ballistic missile only briefly reaching hypersonic speed

But reaching the same - a couple of thousand kilometers passes in ten minutes, not for long, yes)))

[Gray brother]

Quote from rudolf

A dagger would be interesting in the quality of anti-ship weapons. But is he capable of working on a moving target?

Nothing interferes, especially if it is not hypersonic suitable for the target - the plasma then does not form when interacting with the atmosphere and, therefore, radio waves are not shielded.

[Gray brother]

Quote from rudolf

Here, by the way, the question is, which is better, one maneuvering or six ordinary ones?

When hitting key NORAD targets, it is better to maneuver in order to for sure, and then to splash apart.

[Operator]

Officially, Avangard is the PKB (planning winged unit).

[Kalmar]

Quote: Gray Brother

The Vanguard is a maneuvering warhead, not an ICBM.

It is put on an ICBM and it accelerates to "hypersonic".

Quote: Gray Brother

But reaching the same - a couple of thousand kilometers passes in ten minutes, not for long, yes)))

Tank OBPS also, in fact, accelerates to hypersound, but, for some reason, "does not count." Some SAM models too (both ours and theirs).

Somehow, by tradition, truly hypersonic products are considered to be products capable of maintaining a specified speed for a long time, and not just accelerating and flying by inertia. For "them" such a product is the X-51 (flew the 5M back in 2010), we have a hypothetical "Zircon" (flew or not - it is not known for sure).

[Ka-52]

traditionally truly hypersonic

what is the tradition? Who established it and to what extent can “tradition” be the basis for its definition?

capable of maintaining a specified speed for a long time

how long is it? half an hour, an hour, a day?
... it is, it is not ... all these fabrications are from the evil one. In fact, any object moving with hypersonic speed is hypersonic. From the point of view of physics in the first place. And you can call him anything you like.
This issue has already been discussed more than once at VO.

[Ka-52]

You can say whatever you want. But let's be honest: if it's green, croaks and lives in a swamp - it's a frog, not a Belarus tractor)) It was written above about BOPS: BOPS flies at a speed of 5-6M. And the railgun blank flies at a speed of 6M. They are distinguished only by the physics of the acceleration process. Everything else is similar. But at the same time, nobody calls BOPS a hypersonic weapon, unlike a railgun. Which is often called a hypersonic electromagnetic weapon.
The same is with the concept of "supersonic". The same mishmash of speculation

[malyvalv]

What the argument is unclear. Putin himself has long explained what hypersonic means. This is what flies at hypersonic speed and is controlled at the same time. ICBMs and other BOPs have nothing to do with this.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Ka-52

what is the tradition? Who established it and to what extent can “tradition” be the basis for its definition?

Unspoken :) "Hypersonic weapons" is, in fact, a more marketing term, a kind of conditional characteristic designed to prove that A is better than B. If you approach the issue strictly, the Germans still had hypersonic weapons in World War II: they were there with conical experiments were set up with trunks. If less strictly, then everyone in this category is trying to shove what he has and does not have a competitor. Marketing of pure water (like with 5th generation fighters, nanotechnology, and so on).

[Ka-52]

Unspoken :) "Hypersonic weapons" is, in fact, a more marketing term, a kind of conditional characteristic designed to prove that A is better than B. If we approach the issue strictly, then the Germans still had hypersonic weapons in the Second World War: they were there with conical experiments were set up with trunks.

of course, the term "hypersonic weapon" is purely a marketing product. After all, the "supersonic weapon" sounds much more beautiful. But no one calls a simple Mosin rifle a supersonic weapon, although the speed of a bullet is almost 3M But I repeat, any object with hypersonic speed is a hypersonic object. This is physics. And what do you call it by "tradition" - your own business))

[Kalmar]

Quote: Ka-52

any object with hypersonic speed is a hypersonic object. This is physics. And what do you call it according to "tradition" - your own business))

When I call - personal, of course. And when the Supreme is already public. So I want to understand if the difference between the two theses: "Russia possesses hypersonic weapons!" и "Russian BRs are as fast as all the others.

[Ka-52]

And when the Supreme is already public.

heh, well, we must understand that such statements by the Dark One are primarily a message to frighten the horns and calm the electorate, and not technical advice at the Rosvooruzhenie stand)) so I can still understand.

[Grim Reaper]

of course, the term "hypersonic weapon" is purely a marketing product. After all, the "supersonic weapon" sounds much more beautiful.

-I have a 25cm dick
-Ha, I have a quarter meter!
- This is the same.
Yes, but it sounds!

[Gray brother]

Quote: Kalmar

Tank OBPS also, in fact, accelerates to hypersound,

And the ISS flies in orbit at a speed of almost 28 thousand km / h - this is finally.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Gray Brother

And the ISS flies in orbit at a speed of almost 28 thousand km / h - this is finally.

It does not count: in orbit there is no intelligible atmosphere and, accordingly, sound))

[Gray brother]

Quote: Kalmar

It does not count: in orbit there is no intelligible atmosphere and, accordingly, sound))

Sooner or later she will have to enter the atmosphere anyway. Warheads are also flying in space for a while.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Gray Brother

Sooner or later she will have to enter the atmosphere anyway. Warheads are also flying in space for a while.

This approach multiplies to zero the whole idea of ​​the superiority of the Russian Federation in this area: "hypersonic" to tumble back into the dense layers of the atmosphere, "them" and our BB ICBMs were able to 50 years ago.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Kalmar

"them" and our BB ICBMs knew how 50 years ago.

On a ballistic trajectory, unlike.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Which specific performance characteristics? Speed, range, weight of the warhead?
It always seemed to me that the most interesting thing about a rocket was its guidance system, engine and fuel.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Which specific performance characteristics? Speed, range, weight of the warhead?
It always seemed to me that the most interesting thing about a rocket was its guidance system, engine and fuel.

It seems to me that the speed / range / warhead is still more interesting to the "receiving" side. When a rocket flies to your bochin, the design features of its engine will be the least interesting))

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

With identical dimensions, that rocket, whose engine and fuel are more energy efficient, will fly further.

[bouncyhunter]

Rudolph, my respect!

Quote from rudolf

The engine and fuel eventually turn into speed, range, warhead weight.

Maneuverability too.

[bouncyhunter]

Let someone dress up about hypersound, but we understand who is "ahead of the rest."

[Adam Khomich]

Quote: rocket757

It was yesterday that something fundamentally changed.

Destruction Speed! Yesterday it took several hours, and today, even half an hour is enough!

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

The Americans do not want to fight with Russia, but endlessly prepare for war with it. And endless preparation involves endless financing. Which goal, in fact, is being pursued.

[Vasyan1971]

It will be very difficult to catch up with Russia, since Russian-made Zircon hypersonic missiles will enter the army within the next few years.

Come on! Nevertheless, they know that this is just - not very high-quality cartoons!

[Chingachguk]

Yes, we have the coolest weapons today, we’ll get anyone anywhere in the world ..... Only the US is afraid of everything, but nobody is Russia. Only the lazy have not kicked the Russians. Everything, from the Turks to the Baltic states, is laid down on Russian weapons and the armed forces.

[_Ugene_]

in the modern world you cannot rely solely on armaments, you need a strong economy and economic ties with other countries, we have problems with this, and the United States is still the first economy on the planet

[Chingachguk]

Well, we will mean speaking at the Olympics under the neutral flag, they will kill our ambassadors, shoot down planes with impunity, steal people, deport, plant and so on ... Even Lukashenko is already yelling at Putin and crawling under the United States, I generally keep quiet about Ukraine. ... In fact, the connections are very fast, if desired ...

[_Ugene_]

your posts are like ordinary provocations, you take apart each case individually and suggest what, in your opinion, needed to be done

[Chingachguk]

Funny ..... Case one! They don’t put us in anything regardless of whether we have a gipper sound or not.

[_Ugene_]

They don’t put us in anything

too general phrase, nothing to discuss

[Leon68]

I'm wildly sorry! And who are you, Ukraine?

[Chingachguk]

Us, this is Transnistria, us, this is Donbass, us is Lugansk, and so on ..... More than 25 years ago, we, in Transnistria, held a referendum for reunification with Russia and broke away from Moldova. Until today, since then, we hang like eggs over a hollow, not Moldova and not Russia, although most of our population has Russian citizenship. I have already raised a daughter on this reservation, my son is already 7. Wages are beggarly, on the one hand, Ukraine, on the other, Moldova are screwing us ..... Are we the only ones with whom Russia has no borders? Donbass has a border with the Russian Federation, so what? They have been killed by Ukraine for more than 5 years ..... Is this normal? Crimea was needed, they took it in one night, and that’s all ... For the rest of the Russians, there’s no money, not that moment, and so on .... And all because, despite all kinds of breakthrough weapons, nobody and Russia doesn’t put a penny on it and it’s all because of a loyal policy ...... You have to be brutal! Otherwise, a serious conflict cannot be avoided! Countries should see that jokes are bad with Russia ..... Cartoons about some kind of missiles, some kind of power, don't talk about anything
The policy needs to be changed.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Chingachguk

Only the lazy haven't kicked the Russians yet

Because the demonstration of "the coolest weapons" in only dull cartoons is somehow unconvincing. Armament will be intimidating if it:
1. Has the characteristics confirmed by tests.
2. Serially produced and available in the troops in a sufficiently large number and on a sufficiently large number of carriers.

[Chingachguk]

And here I agree !!!!! It’s time to already show how it works, to make the cartoon a reality .....

[Prjanik]

Nothing that amers kick everything from Iran to Venezuela, and the floor of South America screams at them all their lives, and what is the conclusion?

[32363]

On October 3, 1942, the Germans were the first in the world to launch a rocket into space to an altitude of more than 100 km.

[EXPrompt]

And why are they surprised, the United States has been in the technological pit for a long time. And smart people there understand this well.

YOU even call one successful over-project of the USA successfully executed for the last 2-3 decades.
Developed a new tank to replace Abrache Obama closed the gap, for 35 years, the Boeing ran with Vairuner generally zilch. They could not make nuclear centrifuges for enrichment, they could not make mox fuel.
Every U.S. aircraft carrier is even worse off, the Aviation, although numerous, but the old fleet will soon buy the F15X again, in general, all stealths failed both in technology and in cost. Where are the stripes successes, in what?

The most for the United States, and their howl will be no worse than the tantrum arr. 1961 according to Gagarin, should happen by 2025 there should already be the first test samples of a nuclear plane in Russia, and by 2030 when they plan to build and a possible flight to the asteroid belt.
In Russia, this program is moving by leaps and bounds, they also called it Jimo and also successfully cover it for the commonplace reason of US technological insolvency.

[Chingachguk]

I know one project is super successful !!!! The United States rule the world still without a hyper sound, being in a pit or somewhere else ..... And we just substitute our cheeks!

[EXPrompt]

You didn’t notice how this super-successful project collapses into a tube, and then this tube will proceed to a famous place of Uncle SAMA ..
Straight from 2007 and Putin’s Munich speech and began to cover up.
And what the Iranians do with attacks on the hegemonic bases is precisely an element of dominance, only whom is this a question.

Where does Russia turn its cheeks, what is it expressed in?
We took Crimea, made a base out of it, and sent the USA and the EU in a certain direction when they stood up for the integrity of the Banderastan.

[Chingachguk]

I was probably distracted by the neutral flags of our athletes at the Olympiads, by the river - a moskalyak for a gylak, by Lukashenka's statements about the fact that Belarus was sold in the Great Patriotic War because of Russia, about what Erdogan is doing in Syria, about our plane shot down by the Turks, to murder our diplomat in Turkey, to rewrite the history of Great Patriotic Poland, continue? But about the "tube", I somehow did not think ..... Thank you for saying ... one question of all - do these countries barge on their own, or because NATO, the USA are behind them?

[EXPrompt]

You have trash in your head. This is all that you listed demonstration actions. In no way do they work to maintain US hegemony.
Lukashenko - stupidly bargaining, he is a great master in this ..

All garbage .. Except SU24 and the ambassador to Turkey.
And then, you yourself estimate that now 5 years after the downed plane, it’s happening with Turkey’s NATO ally.
We are building nuclear power plants for them, and we made gas hubs of them, and they didn’t have a whirlpool about the American forces, and they buy C400 from us. Here is a clear weakening of US influence visible to the naked eye, even at this point.


All that an adult in the USA has been able to do lately is to cancer Europe and impose sanctions on them for SP-2, which slowed down the development of the project. Moreover, I emphasize that the EU imposes sanctions on EU firms, and not on Gazprom.

[Operator]

The Americans mean the tactical ("Dagger" and "Zircon") and strategic ("Vanguard") hypersonic weapons of the Russian Federation, flying outside the zone of action of the western air defense / missile defense.

And there is no need to remind them of sad things (ICBM "Sarmat" and MRBM "Rubezh")

[The Siberian barber]

That's when it is officially announced that the Zircon has been put into service, then it will be possible to seriously talk about it. And so, all the talk: "on the heap, with seeds"))

[Hog]

What kind of delusional comparisons?

[Old26]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote from rudolf
Dagger, an air-based ballistic missile only briefly reaching hypersonic speed

But reaching the same - a couple of thousand kilometers passes in ten minutes, not for long, yes)))

Well, it covers 2000 km in 30 minutes, at least. There was somehow a scheme in the network, the carrier aircraft passes the subsonic section in 8 minutes (125 km), the supersonic section in 15 minutes (575 km). Then the launch of the "Dagger", which flies 1300 km (9 minutes). A total of 2000 km and 32 minutes ...

Quote: Gray Brother

Nothing interferes, especially if it is not hypersonic suitable for the target - the plasma then does not form when interacting with the atmosphere and, therefore, radio waves are not shielded.

You are right, Sergey, nothing prevents. But a supersonic target can be brought down by the same anti-aircraft missiles. Nothing bothers either.

Quote: Gray Brother

When hitting key NORAD targets, it is better to maneuver in order to for sure, and then to splash apart.

There are much more NORAD facilities than can be maneuvering. 12 Vanguards will be deployed on the Sotk N UTTH. In the future, it will be possible to deploy 2-3 Vanguards on the Sarmat. How many "Sarmats" will be allocated for this? Most likely also 12, hardly 18. The result is 36-48 Vanguards (maximum 48-66). Some of these quantities will be knocked down. How many? Third? Or half? So NORAD may not be enough for all objects ...

Quote: Kalmar

For "them" such a product is the X-51 (flew the 5M back in 2010), we have a hypothetical "Zircon" (flew or not - it is not known for sure).

They still had the X-43, which flew EMNIP in 2000-2002 ...

Quote: Ka-52

traditionally truly hypersonic

what is the tradition? Who established it and to what extent can “tradition” be the basis for its definition?

capable of maintaining a specified speed for a long time

how long is it? half an hour, an hour, a day?
... it is, it is not ... all these fabrications are from the evil one. In fact, any object moving with hypersonic speed is hypersonic. From the point of view of physics in the first place. And you can call him anything you like.
This issue has already been discussed more than once at VO.

By what tradition? At least by analogy with supersonic weapons. We do not call a machine gun or machine gun a supersonic weapon, only because the bullet accelerates to supersonic speed. But the cruise missile, which not only accelerates to supersonic speed but also supports it thanks to the engine, we call supersonic weapons.
Now everyone is "crazy" on the term "hypersonic weapon". Even now, two terms have appeared - "non-motorized hypersound" - this refers to ballistic missiles. and "motor hypersound" - this refers to cruise missiles, which in fact are hypersonic weapons capable of going hypersonic for some time, supporting it with their engine, and performing both lateral and vertical maneuvers. So they are essentially hypersonic weapons. But it is not yet in service.
If we insist that such products as Avangard or Dagger are full-fledged hypersonic weapons, then why talk about the US lagging behind us for decades ??? They also have intercontinental missiles, and they tested gliding blocks under the Falcon program.
If we consider ballistic missiles as hypersonic weapons, then we will have to consider as hypersonic weapons and artillery shells. And if we "cut off" artillery shells and consider only missiles, then the undisputed leader in the "hypersonic race" is .... Hitler's Germany. For the speed of "V-2" was at the end of OUT 2,3 km / s ...

[Old26]

Quote: EXPrompt

Developed a new tank to replace Abrache Obama closed the gap, for 35 years, the Boeing ran with Vairuner generally zilch. They could not make nuclear centrifuges for enrichment, they could not make mox fuel.
Every U.S. aircraft carrier is even worse off, the Aviation, although numerous, but the old fleet will soon buy the F15X again, in general, all stealths failed both in technology and in cost. Where are the stripes successes, in what?

To kick the "striped" is not to feed us with bread. Let's remember all of them, all closed projects. True, sometimes we do not force ourselves to think about why certain projects were closed. The main thing is to make the Americans clumsy ...
Well, let's take a look.

Quote: EXPrompt

Developed a new tank to replace Abrache Obama closed the failure

Closed. But is this a failure? All countries have had similar, sometimes highly publicized projects that have been closed, often due to the high cost. Black Eagle "supertank of the future" announced? Announced. And where is he? The program is closed. The next "supertank of the future" was announced, called the T-95 - the project was closed. And as Shoigu said, it was closed because of the high cost.

Quote: EXPrompt

They tried to make nuclear centrifuges for enrichment,

The US enrichment industry was built on the gaseous diffusion enrichment method as a simpler and more reliable method. And those 600-odd tons of weapons-grade uranium that they have were obtained using this method. The American company USEC has built a demonstration cascade of gas centrifuges (for commercial operation) in Picketon. The peculiarity of this plant was that very "high" centrifuges are used there, up to 10 meters. However, everything is new - everything is expensive. And the lack of funding (in 2009, the Department of Energy did not provide a loan guarantee of US $ 2 billion) led to the curtailment of the project. But the demonstration plant still exists and works. And they buy uranium for the stations abroad, all the more knowing perfectly well that no one will ever impose any sanctions against them. Why spend money when it's cheaper to buy?

Quote: EXPrompt

could not make mox fuel.

Here I agree with you. Failed. Moreover, they do not have reactors for it yet.

Quote: EXPrompt

Every U.S. carrier is worse than being decommissioned,

It should be understood that the head Nimitz was worse than the Kitty Hawks and Forrestols, and the current head Ford was worse than the Enterprise. Of course. There are as many as 8 reactors on the Enterprise that had to be reloaded every 10-15 years , and on "Ford" there is only one with a service life equal to that of the ship.
Electromagnetic catapults are probably worse than steam. Yes, now they have problems including and with catapults, but if electromagnetic ones are worse, then what do the same Chinese work on similar ones?

Quote: EXPrompt

Although the aircraft are numerous, the fleet of old ones will soon be bought again by the F15X,

And we probably have solid news? Mig-29 and Su-27 are almost the same age with the same F-15. We consider it quite natural to buy the SU-30 and SU-35, which in essence are a deep modernization of the SU-27, but at the same time we mock the staff that are going to buy the F-15X

Quote: EXPrompt

in general, all stealth failed both in technology and in cost.

Definitely failing. Here are the dumb Americans. Okay, there F-117s made only 64, it was the first pancake, okay, 20 pieces were made by V-2. But these stupid ones made 195 F-22s and on 2.01.2020 491 F-35s (including a bunch for sale). And all the failures .. Or since we still do not have this machine in the series - does the concept itself and its implementation fail?
If stealth itself is a failure, then why the hell have we been doing the same thing since the mid-80s. In 2000, the first flight of the MiG-1.44 took place, which was created as a counterweight to the American F-22. We were engaged in this aircraft starting from the protection of the preliminary project for 28 years, and in 2015 they closed it. Why are we doing SU-57 then? Or do you think that it will be the same price as the Su-27 ??? And the operational difficulties are not yet predictable. We have no experience of operating it in the army.

By the way, you forgot to mention the US "Zumvolt". and for some reason did not mention the "failed" "Arleigh Burke" and "Virginia" ...

Quote: EXPrompt

The most for the United States, and their howl will be no worse than the tantrum arr. 1961 according to Gagarin, should happen by 2025 there should already be the first test samples of a nuclear plane in Russia, and by 2030 when they plan to build and a possible flight to the asteroid belt.
In Russia, this program is moving by leaps and bounds, they also called it Jimo and also successfully cover it for the commonplace reason of US technological insolvency.

Is it possible to grumble already? From the mid-90s to 2020 we will not bring the Angara into operation. There are already so many names of promising carriers that one can get confused in them. And "Don" and "Irtysh", and "Amur" and Soyuz-5 "and" Soyuz-7. "Are you planning a test flight of a nuclear planetary spacecraft already in 2025, the development of which is proceeding by leaps and bounds, in contrast to the failed American program? the same leaps and bounds as the construction of "Vostochny", serial production of "Armat" and Su-57 ???
Yes, my friend. Hurray-patriotism you rushing out of all holes and its level rolls over ... Take off your pink glasses and look at the world with normal vision ...

Quote: Operator

and MRBM "Rubezh"

So we still violated the INF Treaty?

[shura7782]

The advantage of Russia over the United States in hypersound ......

I personally care how we do it advantage will we use it at the moment? What does this time period give us? When will it appear in the troops? It must be understood that the striped ones have not yet recorded our hypersonic speeds on their radar screens. Therefore, while this news is considered a "fake". If they had this weapon, it would certainly have been demonstrated along our borders.

[Zoro]

I remember here on the site I was directly frankly hungry over Russia, like nonsense and cartoons showed ....
And the "Vanguards" are already on duty, well, there are "Poseidons" like, etc.
Hurray to scream, of course, it's too early, but still .. Somehow it’s calmer in my heart .. And then I’m tired of these screams and noah "everything is gone, it is better to give up and eat hot dogs with cola. America is not defeated." etc.

[Old26]

Quote: Zoro

And the "Vanguards" are already on duty, well, there are "Poseidons" like, etc.

"Vanguards" cost as many as TWO pieces. Poseidon in 2019 was supposed to go on trials (running) but the grave silence ...

[lvov_aleksey]

Hurrah!!! they are ripe cowards.