“We have a road everywhere for young people”: reflections on the labor path of modern youth


“We are dear to the young everywhere, to the old people everywhere.” It is these lines from the old Soviet film that are probably known to everyone. In childhood, "stupefied" by Soviet propaganda, we took these lines for granted. Any student knew that his fate was largely in his hands.


You will study well - after school you will have a direct way to college, or if you can’t do it the first time, go to a technical school. Further work on a specialty somewhere in the vastness of the USSR. And those who are not strong in school sciences, went to vocational schools to master working professions.

Moreover, graduates of vocational schools received one and a half to two times more than institute ones. The government compensated for the lack of career prospects with money. And respect in society, good workers enjoyed no less than engineers. So the Soviet song did not lie. The "road" was.

No youth, no problem


The media has been discussing the problem “the elders everywhere everywhere ...” the pension reform, the need for which our officials spoke so much about, has been done in much the same way as an operation to remove tonsils by a proctologist. The result is achieved, however, the patient no longer has a sore throat, but there are problems with another place.

But I decided to "do the operation" classically. To find out how we are doing with “young is our way everywhere”. And who knows this question better than the former Minister of Labor (who, judging by the “sticks” from the president, successfully coped with the task in this post), and now the chairman of the Pension Fund of Russia Maxim Topilin.

On December 26, the former minister spoke on the results of his work on the Russia 24 channel. A couple of quotes regarding youth, I will give:

“The situation is better than usual, because nevertheless now the young generation that enters the labor market is much smaller. Therefore, now the unemployment rate is 4,5-4,7%. We expect that next year it will continue to be so. ”
“Our task is to work correctly with employers - how we can accelerate the process of implementing professional standards, new requirements for professions. As for the unemployment rate, I do not see any risks and concerns. ”

No young - no youth unemployment. Or did I misunderstand these words?

Youth employment should be a priority


“Veterans”, I will correctly call our generation 50+, they understand that today the government should rely on young people. Alas, life cruelly divides humanity into strong, but without the necessary experience, and weak, but wise.

It is clear that today, in a situation where life expectancy has increased slightly, but the quality is poor, the main social burden has been laid on young people. A beautiful government report on life expectancy is actually nothing more than a victory for our doctors and pharmacists.

So, we literally at every opportunity tell ourselves about the problems of the "demographic pits" associated with losses in the Second World War. But at the same time, we are pleased that youth unemployment will not increase in the coming years. Note that we are not happy that the number of jobs for young people has increased, but simply that there will be fewer candidates for existing jobs.

There is no youth, but one in five is an officially registered unemployed young man. It is officially registered. But we are well aware that the figure can be increased significantly. Formally becoming unemployed is a rather dreary occupation.

What is the result? Lack of money, inaction, unsuccessful search for a decent job for a young man, in most cases the situation is stalemate. He has a feeling of his own uselessness, social rejection. Injustice ultimately. What's next? Further anger, marginalization of man.

There is no future without the present


I think it’s clear that the modern labor market in Russia not only does not ensure the full and effective use of the labor force of youth, but also pushes young men and women to make money not entirely legal. I will give one more official figure. The employment service registered 0,9% of the active working population. A vacancy in the same place for 1,5%. Almost two vacancies for one unemployed. Interesting statistics.

Ever wonder why it happened? Work, judging by the number of migrant workers, the sea, and nowhere to work. Rave? Perhaps nonsense. Only for officialdom I would suggest another version. “Our youth does not want to work.” Good phrase. The main thing is that responsibility is immediately transferred from a sore head to a healthy one. The government is good, but the people (in this case youth) are bad.

I will try to understand the reasons for unwillingness, or rather, the inability to get a job, work for modern boys and girls. The main thing, it seems to me, is that the youth is no longer “Soviet”. They do not want to work "on credit." They do not want to receive "how much they will give." Unlike us, essentially Soviet. Young people do not want to go to work, which is low paid.

I was browsing job search sites. You know, without a “hairy arm” a young man with a higher education, but without work experience (I wonder where he should come from a former student), will not find a well-paid job. There will be standard answers like “Your candidacy suits us, wait for the call”, which will never happen.

Another reason is the reduction in the number of jobs. Simple "digital". The increase in the number of unemployed has led to an increase in the number of unemployed among young people. The following reason follows from this. If there is a vacancy, who will choose the employer, a person with experience, or a graduate? The second option in most cases is something from the realm of fantasy.

Move on. Most of those who now lead teams in almost any field, I think, will agree that in the vast majority of cases a young specialist today rarely matches the level and quality of professional training, which implies the presence of his diploma of education. Today it’s good if the engineer will prepare to match the techniques of the Soviet era.

There is an obvious flaw in the state. I do not know the exact numbers, so I will write this in my opinion. Today, in my opinion, we can be proud of the most educated salesmen, workers, security guards, and other working people. Through one in the column education is “higher”. And why?

Yes, it’s just that in our “orchestra” everyone plays what they want. The main thing is not the interests of the state, but the report on the good work of the subordinate organization. So, those responsible for the training of specialists report on the number of those specialists who have arrived and graduated. And specialists from the employment service report a lack of trained personnel for the labor market. Universities prepare, well aware of this, personnel for the employment service, and not for production.

And the last one. For a young man, not only wages are important, but also the growth prospect. A perfectly healthy desire to grow up the career ladder. However, in most companies there is simply no such prospect. Such opportunities provide only large companies. Because the competition there is huge. For any position.

What urgently needs to be done


I am often reproached for not giving concrete proposals to rectify the situation. I confess, I do it intentionally to give everyone the opportunity to speak out. Among our readers there are people who are much better than me versed in the question posed in the material. But today I will violate my own principle. Just because nothing revolutionary needs to be invented. You just need to remember.

So, first of all, it is necessary to quote jobs for young people. First of all, for graduates of educational institutions and for those who return after serving in the army. Roughly speaking, it is necessary to return those same three to five years of working after university. After the specialist has worked in the company for these three years, the management will already know what kind of specialist.

Further it is easier. This is already being done. I am about caring for a young family. Concessional lending, childbirth payments, regional benefits for those who fill vacancies in unpopular regions.

The orientation of educational institutions towards local production, local medicine, and local education is also important. From the first year a student should know the place of his future work and its specifics. Secondary special educational institutions and institutions of special education in general should be on the basis of enterprises. The whole problem is that most enterprises are private. And try to “motivate” them to patronize a college or technical school.

This is only part of what needs to be done “yesterday”. There can be many offers. We have enough people who are not indifferent to the fate of youth. And do not think that one vote is nothing. It's a lot. But only when the voice sounds, and does not turn into a whisper in the kitchen.
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  1. Svarog 3 February 2020 12: 00 New
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    “We have a road everywhere for young people”: reflections on the labor path of modern youth

    And after forty there is no road .. although still young, it seems, and until retirement another 25 years ..

    The pension reform, about the need for which our officials spoke so much, was done in much the same way as an operation to remove tonsils by a proctologist. The result is achieved, although the patient no longer has a sore throat, but there are problems with another place.

    good laughing
    1. Golovan Jack 3 February 2020 12: 05 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      And after forty there is no road ..

      Oh well. I, by way of example, are much more than forty, there is a road.
      1. Svarog 3 February 2020 12: 12 New
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        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Oh well. I, by way of example, are much more than forty, there is a road.

        Of course there are no roads .. you Golovan obviously went along a curve laughing in general, there are many roads, but there are absolutely no opportunities in our kingdom .. but there are roads .. for the past two years many have left ..
        For some reason, our employers consider people after forty deep retirees ..
        1. AU Ivanov. 3 February 2020 12: 17 New
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          If you are a specialist in the full sense of the word, then age does not matter. A competent professional is preferable to a "specialist larva"
          1. Svarog 3 February 2020 12: 19 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            A competent professional is preferable to a "specialist larva"

            Are you talking about those professionals who are at the helm? They are yes, "professionals" .. and their children are gifted .. genetics probably .. and those who are really professionals, they knock over a hill .. and the larvae stay here .. well, as you put it ..
            1. AU Ivanov. 3 February 2020 12: 21 New
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              Their kids will sit in the chair exactly as long as mom and dad are at the helm. Next - to take off. Because greenhouses, no teeth, no claws - everything is daddy.
              1. Svarog 3 February 2020 12: 22 New
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                Their kids will sit in the chair exactly as long as mom and dad are at the helm. Next - to take off. Because greenhouses, no teeth, no claws - everything is daddy.

                Here I’m not sure .. more precisely I’m sure that everything will pass by inheritance and there are plenty of examples ..
                1. AU Ivanov. 3 February 2020 12: 26 New
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                  As a rule, does not pass by inheritance. They are eaten with shit and slippers. They do not even know how to make connections. This is true both for power structures and for commercial ones. In the first case, they are moved by more tenacious guys; in the second case, daddy’s capital simply profits.
                  1. astepanov 3 February 2020 15: 19 New
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                    Yes, yes it is. But here is an example of, say, the Rogozin dynasty, says the opposite. How can one not recall another Soviet song: "Maybe a son can become a hero if his father is a hero."
                    1. AU Ivanov. 3 February 2020 15: 25 New
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                      It will be necessary to see where Rogozin’s son will disappear after dad leaves his post. More likely, the son of a chair will fly after dad.
                      1. astepanov 3 February 2020 15: 29 New
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                        By that time, he will have overgrown with money (like dad), fake degrees (like dad) and connections (like dad) and become untouchable (like dad). And the movement of the rear on the seats of the horizontal control will begin (like dad)
                      2. AU Ivanov. 3 February 2020 15: 35 New
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                        No, after he loses his roof, at least the son of the new head of Roscosmos or a young and greyhound close to the upper echelons of power will sit in his place. Rogozin’s son is held only for the opportunity to solve the problems of the enterprise with one call to his dad. There will be no dad and the son will be useless. Such personal connections usually do not start, for this you need to have a brain, they are completely dependent on paternal achievements.
                2. at84432384 3 February 2020 19: 06 New
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                  Elite groups rule the country (they are sometimes called the mafia), so if the kids are in such a group (and there is no doubt about that), they will occupy the appropriate places as long as this elite group is in power, and not until dad power. And they have connections where necessary, in this regard, you can not worry about them. And no one will take their place “from the people”.
                  1. Nikolai Grek 4 February 2020 03: 48 New
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                    Quote: at84432384
                    Elite groups rule the country

                    what Is there an example of more or less normal states where commoners rule ??? wassat
                    1. at84432384 4 February 2020 15: 54 New
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                      Such a concept as "commoners" would be nice to explain. Academician, for example, can be attributed to them? It all depends on the class environment they represent.
                    2. Nikolai Grek 4 February 2020 18: 35 New
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                      Quote: at84432384
                      Such a concept as "commoners" would be nice to explain.

                      if you do not understand the meaning of the word in the context of the discussion, then it is useless for you to explain something !!! request
          2. Den717 3 February 2020 15: 09 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Next - to take off. Because greenhouses, no teeth, no claws - everything is daddy.

            Somehow, primitively imagine those who are now “at the helm” and next to it. In fact, most of them, "steering", have rich experience not only with the steering wheel. They, for frequent, are no worse than you in terms of "thoughts about the Motherland" and knowledge of how to "tear loaves from a branch at the entrance." Therefore, many of them know what is the key to success and, which is typical, worry and nurture their children long before the final exams. Of course, they make extensive use of the resources of the paid segment of continuing education. But I would say, although my experience is not so big - only two, the costs of extra classes are not so heavy for families with an average level of income. Instead of teeth and claws in children, the brain needs to be developed, and the sooner the better. And than looking into someone else’s keyhole, it’s better to make your child more competitive. Then his employment issues will be resolved more easily. But the world is organized as a sport — there are leaders, there is a middle, and there are laggards, in which everyone around is to blame for their failure.
        2. carstorm 11 3 February 2020 12: 55 New
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          yes all this nonsense. only a civil servant will put in the position of a son who can’t do it with a tooth. Why do I need someone who does not bring results? understand this is not necessary to anyone. private traders lose their money from such figures, which means they will put the one who really works. I have a resume as thick as a good album. I’m studying all the time. Do you know why? because sooner or later the one who knows and knows more will come. I will lose the competition and they will merge me instantly. We still choose students at universities, and if they agree, we pay for their studies and they sign a contract for work for 5 years. at what those who are looking for a bunch of them just and fight for everyone. you can’t imagine how many idlers study with such ambitions that at least laugh. HHshniki just precipitate. why should students be persuaded to learn at least one language? Really do not understand that now without this you are not needed?
          1. astepanov 3 February 2020 15: 20 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            I have a resume as thick as a good album. I study constantly

            Then why do you have so many errors in the text?
            1. carstorm 11 3 February 2020 15: 30 New
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              if you are about punctuation marks, then I hate switching claudia so I can do without them.) I know a bad habit) it’s too late to change) but I’m already used to such questions)
              1. astepanov 3 February 2020 15: 37 New
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                Consider the question cleared. I apologize.
                1. carstorm 11 3 February 2020 15: 42 New
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                  yes everything is fine) the Internet itself is not the place to be offended by something) everyone has their own cockroaches) I know that it’s wrong but habits are sometimes stronger than us)
    2. Golovan Jack 3 February 2020 12: 17 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      our employers consider people after forty deep retirees ..

      I don’t know who your employers are. My employers do not consider me as such. For 18 years now laughing

      Quote: Svarog
      there are no opportunities in our kingdom ..

      Capabilities are highly dependent on skill. Everything is simple. Buddy yes
  2. Tiksi-3 3 February 2020 12: 13 New
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    Quote: Golovan Jack
    I, by way of example, are much more than forty, there is a road.

    In a personal business?)) .... if so, how many employees (42+) work for you and how many (22+)
    1. Golovan Jack 3 February 2020 12: 22 New
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      Quote: Tiksi-3
      In a personal business?

      No, I'm a hired slave. Qualified.

      Quote: Tiksi-3
      how many (42+) employees work for you and how many (22+)

      The question is asked crookedly: those who are 42+ are included in 22+, dragging that ... well, oh well. I repeat - the ability to work is always directly proportional to the qualifications of the employee. Is it really that hard to understand? what
      1. Tiksi-3 3 February 2020 12: 25 New
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        Quote: Golovan Jack
        those over 42+ are in the 22+

        from 22+ to 42 and 42+ to 65 .... it’s really not clear, although if you are a slave, my question is not appropriate for you, if you are not the head of the personnel department! .... have you been working in one place for a long time? probably yes ..... imagine you (yourself) fired - the question is how much will you look for a job by qualification?
        1. Golovan Jack 3 February 2020 13: 03 New
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          Have you been working in one place for a long time? maybe yes...

          No. This year is the fourth year.

          Quote: Tiksi-3
          imagine you (yourself) fired - the question is how much will you look for work by qualifications?

          I am widely known in narrow circles; I think that those who need me will find me. The last time I changed jobs - that was the way, by the way.
          1. Greenwood 3 February 2020 15: 31 New
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            Quote: Golovan Jack
            I am widely known in narrow circles; I think that those who need me will find me.
            You cannot praise yourself - no one will praise. lol
            1. Golovan Jack 3 February 2020 21: 41 New
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              Quote: Greenwood
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              I am widely known in narrow circles; I think that those who need me will find me.
              You cannot praise yourself - no one will praise. lol

              You, as usual, have not read to the end:

              Quote: Golovan Jack
              The last time I changed jobs, it was, by the way

              It really was. Nothing, here I work, they are satisfied with me, I, too yes


              And you Brute? belay request laughing
      2. Victor N 3 February 2020 17: 13 New
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        The question of the level of qualification for many is not only incomprehensible, but also unpleasant. This is the reason for all their failures, including low pensions. But - it’s too late to drink Borjomi ....
  3. Grandfather 3 February 2020 12: 13 New
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    “We have a road everywhere for young people”:
    wife in the know ... ZPR sex college .... and ahead: "outs", in large numbers. just take an interest. fearfully. at the "golovan-manul" EVERYTHING IN THE KONUR IS SILENT. and so it’s scary.
    1. Golovan Jack 3 February 2020 12: 24 New
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      at the "Golovan-Manul" EVERYTHING IN THE KONUR IS GOING AWAY

      So do you yourself a "kennel" so that everything in it is "hurt". What is in the way?

      Nobody gave me this kennel, you know, la ... myself, everything myself, with my head, hands ... and so all my life yes
    2. astepanov 3 February 2020 15: 23 New
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      Quote: Dead Day
      college floor

      And what kind of college floor, by the way?
      Here she is and the qualifications in sight: "tranway", "craplet", "sex college"
  • your1970 3 February 2020 12: 26 New
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    Working out and quotas .. it seems tempting ....
    Only there are bad nuances:
    if the fixation is tight enough (like the USSR), then the traders will immediately begin to pay a penny to such workers, the minimum wage ... he will quit then he will not be able ... well, or they will pile up a triple amount of work ...
    And vice versa - young people will stupidly hammer in to work- "You won’t cut us down and you won’t see us"
    As was the case with drunks in the USSR- and comradely courts and brigade control, and his wife received paychecks, but "you can’t beat him, the indicators will drop" ...
    In addition, it is only possible in the public sector; it is almost impossible to legally impose an employee on a private trader.
    It was forever during the Soviet era, and now "I am bankrupt, there is no money, everyone is free"
    And who in this situation will control your quotas?

    So I think that nothing good will come of it ...
    1. Victor N 3 February 2020 17: 37 New
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      In the arguments of the author, an error was originally laid. A person has the right to choose a profession without coordination with society and the state. But thereby the risk of employment is attached to free choice. And no one is obliged to employ him. Moreover, pay the desired salary. Freedom!
      There were attempts at targeted training - under a contract at the time of admission. According to my impressions, this is a fiction that helps to act, and then attach your beloved child to yourself or to a friend, interchangeably. It corrupts the student, he will not become a fighter for a place in the sun. And he will never fight for high qualifications. Many students DO NOT WANT to study well and teachers cannot do anything about it, and this is not their task.
      EXIT: very seriously choose a profession, if necessary, adjust on time. Errors are inevitable, the scale can and should be reduced. State assistance with employment is possible, but not obligatory: if they want it, they will turn. Only you need to ask very politely.
  • bandabas 3 February 2020 15: 16 New
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    It's okay. In a year or three, they will make a pension at the age of 3. Our people are flourishing, medicine is the best in the universe, salaries are huge, prices for goods are below all conceivable levels. Yes. Next year inflation will be 70%.
    1. bandabas 3 February 2020 21: 49 New
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      For minusers. There was such a writer, Jack London, with the story "A piece of meat." And if you, dear ones, break away from your devices and read this work, then it will come to your office heads that nothing lasts forever. After 10 years, feel in your own skin.
    2. Victor N 5 February 2020 08: 58 New
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      Yes, the article is not about pensioners, youth needs support, give way.
  • Oleg Skvortsov 3 February 2020 12: 12 New
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    If parents have some kind of business, then they will somehow add sons to the business, even if only at least 7 classes of education. receive, Mitrofanushka. If parents cannot somehow attach or if there is no money for higher education, then go to magnets and so on for 20 t. A lot of young people just sit at home - they don’t want to work or study at all - mainly because they don’t see prospects for their growth. Of course, there are children who are smart that they do, study, then rush around in search of an adequate job and dump them abroad. There is a layer of young people who stir up their own stuff but need at least some kind of matkapital and brains to start with. Well, the entire state feeding trough has already been hammered forward three generations. As they say their desktop will be inherited. Children of workers and farmers are not allowed to enter the state (read - corruption) pie
    1. Andrey VOV 3 February 2020 12: 27 New
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      Yes, the son of a successful farmer will not go anywhere, he has everything, and he earned it himself, along with his father, and the attitude to the earned, not stolen, then it’s completely different than when the manna of heaven falls on you or gave a little dad with his mom
      1. Sergej1972 3 February 2020 13: 48 New
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        Sometimes the children of successful farmers do not continue the work of their fathers. And sometimes the fathers themselves do not want their children to live in the village.
        1. Andrey VOV 3 February 2020 13: 50 New
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          And this is, I do not argue, but those whom I know, but I know very many, there, on the contrary, they receive special education and work, many start from the bottom ... and live with everything, and all this is earned by them
        2. AU Ivanov. 3 February 2020 14: 12 New
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          And sometimes the children of successful entrepreneurs flush their father’s business into the toilet, as happened with the stores of my counterparty.
          1. Sergej1972 3 February 2020 15: 51 New
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            It happens that children do not want to engage in the parents' business (or any business in general) for various reasons. Not necessarily it is some kind of gouging.
    2. carstorm 11 3 February 2020 12: 58 New
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      Well this is stupid. how can you know your level and prospects if you don’t study and do not try?) what are the prospects for a loafer with a bunch of excuses to do nothing?) empty ambitions with nothing to do with them.
    3. Victor N 3 February 2020 17: 42 New
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      They sit at home and do not want to work - because of laziness and lack of kick in the ass. It is necessary to give parents the right to prescribe children over the age of majority.
      1. your1970 3 February 2020 19: 44 New
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        Quote: Victor N
        They sit at home and do not want to work - because of laziness and lack of kick in the ass. It is necessary to give parents the right to prescribe children over the age of majority.
        - in what century are you stuck? the owner can at any time any not the owner (except minors) to write out at any time.
        15 minutes at the MFC and all ...
    4. your1970 3 February 2020 19: 56 New
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      Well, the entire state feeding trough has already been hammered forward three generations. As they say their desktop will be inherited. Children of workers and farmers are not allowed to enter the state (read - corruption) pie
      -elkam !!! in the management of 6 vacancies, including 2 heads of territorial departments ..
      I’m even ready to give a part from my table, I’m tired of plowing one in 3 districts for two
  • Karen 3 February 2020 12: 13 New
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    About ten years ago, I asked Russian developers what the prices for smart students (IT sphere) are, citing local students as a guide ... The answer was staggering: like, there is no guarantee that a hired smart student will not let you down by waving over a hill .. .
  • rocket757 3 February 2020 12: 14 New
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    The main thing, it seems to me, is that the youth is no longer “Soviet”.

    Ha, I repeat, “funny” times are coming!
    The authorities having "relaxed" with us, in many ways, the former! The new generation is not like that at all !!!
    What they CREATED will receive ...
    What urgently needs to be done

    And in my opinion, the authorities are already late! And by the way they "solved" the problems before, they were late forever!
    No youth, no problem

    But let them not hope for it! this problem will be covered gradually, but thoroughly.
  • Loess 3 February 2020 12: 21 New
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    You know, without a “hairy arm” a young man with a higher education, but without work experience, I wonder where he should come from a former student, will not find a well-paid job.
    And why should someone pay a high salary to a person who does not know how? Indeed, work experience is precisely the very skills that an employer requires for a high salary. To gain experience, you have to work for a small salary, and then a lot depends on the employee. And from those factors that the author pointed out, including the "hairy paw." But no one will pay big money to yesterday’s schoolchild / student.
    1. Oleg83 3 February 2020 13: 23 New
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      Quote: Less
      You know, without a “hairy arm” a young man with a higher education, but without work experience, I wonder where he should come from a former student, will not find a well-paid job.
      And why should someone pay a high salary to a person who does not know how? Indeed, work experience is precisely the very skills that an employer requires for a high salary. To gain experience, you have to work for a small salary, and then a lot depends on the employee. And from those factors that the author pointed out, including the "hairy paw." But no one will pay big money to yesterday’s schoolchild / student.


      You’ll work for a small salary for a year or two, and then you are fired and I am recruiting others to work for a small salary. Moreover, having already experience in another job, they will also offer you a small salary. The whole system is now built so that a working person would pay as little as possible. Thieves are immediately taken by department heads, all geniuses, especially in the state. companies, in 19-20 years already higher education and salary of 100 - 000 at least
      1. Victor N 3 February 2020 18: 07 New
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        The employer appreciates qualifications, discipline, diligence, activity. Otherwise, he will not succeed. Good employees are in short supply, try finding one more. Shalopai with exorbitant requests are not quoted.
  • Ross xnumx 3 February 2020 12: 22 New
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    "... Young people everywhere are dear to us, old people are always honored with us." It is these lines from the old Soviet film that are probably known to everyone.

    Yes, especially to those who watched the movie Circus.
    Currently, there is a very strange trend: work without experience, but with career growth, is waiting for young people in trade organizations, pharmacies and in transport. Otherwise, work experience is required.
    With the disappearance of the Soviet system of vocational education with its orders, educational institutions and practice, the issue of youth employment has been thrown to an independent solution. And after graduation, a young specialist will not soon find a profile job ... There is a market. While you were studying, your work was not in demand ... request
    1. AU Ivanov. 3 February 2020 12: 59 New
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      The acquisition of professional experience is part of education. Education does not end with a diploma. And no one will pay a specialist salar a large salary for the process of gaining experience.
      1. Ross xnumx 3 February 2020 14: 38 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        And no one will pay a specialist salar a large salary for the process of gaining experience.

        Seriously? Somehow, at your leisure, look at the biography of the deputy from Kuzbass Pavel Mikhailovich Fedyaev (in particular, the path to becoming and working in the “face”, special attention to the years of study and work), and then tell it to his dad - Mikhail Fedyaev, businessman , To the President of the holding company "Siberian Business Union" and the ex-governor Tuleyev Amangeldy that he moved the offspring already !!! fellow (for labor exploits and military merit) to the deputies (not regional, - to hell would it be?) State Duma of the Russian Federation. Since then, they have not seen him in Kuzbass.
        But, judging by the income statement, "Curly" lives "Curly" ....
        In each area there are a dime a dozen, and you are talking to us about the big salary "for the process of gaining experience (and)" ... They should not take up experience ... Like arrogance, cynicism and swagger.
        1. AU Ivanov. 3 February 2020 14: 47 New
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          And here are the officials? Hedgehog it is clear that almost anyone will try to attach their offspring to a warm place, if there is such an opportunity. Well, not as loaders to send your kid?
          I am talking about an ordinary graduate of a regular university, which, as a specialist, is a quantity tending to zero. With rare exceptions, geeks exist. And for what merits graduates pay high salaries? While he is not a master, he is an apprentice and a corresponding wage.
          1. Ross xnumx 3 February 2020 14: 58 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            And here are the officials? Hedgehog it’s clear that almost anyone will try to attach their offspring to a warm place

            But not with such agility and arrogance. In the USSR they behaved more modestly, and they tried not to advertise with fake merits. I would send the army if it worked ... Otherwise, they have never seen or heard it - a "secret deputy" ...
            1. AU Ivanov. 3 February 2020 15: 39 New
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              I'm not talking about officials, God bless them. I myself would attach my boys to good places in the airline, there is a connection. But mine has nothing to do with aviation education
              and inclinations, alas, do not.
            2. your1970 3 February 2020 19: 48 New
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              Behaved in the USSR more modest and fake they tried not to advertise their merits.
              -ups !!! Order of Victory at Brezhnev, not ??? !!! The whole USSR not knew his military rank in the war ????
  • vladimirvn 3 February 2020 12: 22 New
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    It is necessary to have a demanded specialty, or at least possess, as they say now, certain competencies. Then age is not a hindrance. Although, ceteris paribus, they will certainly take a younger one.
  • Podvodnik 3 February 2020 12: 26 New
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    And after forty there is no road .. although still young, it seems, and until retirement another 25 years ..

    After forty? Yes you, my friend, give. I quit at the end of the last century. I was already 32 years old. I decided to get in one respectable office. Tests and interviews passed. And in the end they say to me: "Our team is young, you are older than 30 years old and we are not suitable." Maybe the main reason was different, too (they took it, for example), but I heard just that. I was just in shock.
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      Quote: Podvodnik
      Maybe the main reason was different, too (they took it, for example), but I heard just that. I was just in shock.

      I think the reason was still different .. The most popular age is from 30-38 years old .. after 38 problems begin .. after forty, they are greatly aggravated, but it’s almost impossible to find a job at 50,50+ .. Unless of course you’re not a mega specialist in a narrow direction.
    2. AU Ivanov. 3 February 2020 12: 47 New
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      There are reverse examples. One reputable office in the field of telecommunications. Mostly retirees at the age of 45+ sat there. And the young has nothing to catch there, he simply will not be accepted for work precisely because of his age. But if you wore epaulettes - well. Such corporate solidarity
    3. carstorm 11 3 February 2020 13: 01 New
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      this is most likely for the climate in the team. met like that. the selection goes so that it would work better. although this is a dead end if, in truth, because if you do everything wisely, it is around the older people that the collective is being built. you always need a guy-mentor)
    4. _Sergei_ 3 February 2020 14: 45 New
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      When, in 1999, I got a job at the Russian Railways to repair track machines, I was taken by a 42-year-old, and the 35-year-old was told that there was not enough qualification. And then when the trade union boss became a master, he told me all the time that there were no replaceable people. Only I answered him that there is no one to replace.
  • Free wind 3 February 2020 12: 44 New
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    Education should be focused on local production, medicine, education, how’s it, shy to ask? In Yakutia, in the medical institute to introduce training in the specialty of "shaman therapist"? Under the USSR, in Krasnoyarsk, at the Agricultural Institute, the cotton growers never seemed to be prepared, in Tashkent reindeer breeders did not prepare the same, although this was mentioned. And students in the USSR were driven throughout the Union, construction teams, undergraduate practice, distribution.
    1. domokl 3 February 2020 13: 44 New
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      Do not be smart.
      Quote: Free Wind
      is it shy to ask?

      It is so that in Yakutia, if there are not enough reindeer herders, the bulk of the graduates of the agricultural university should be reindeer herders, and not specialists in growing grapes. In the same way with technical universities. Universities should train specialists for local factories. For example, in our technical university several faculties work for specific enterprises at once. True from the defense industry. There are even special departments
  • Lamata 3 February 2020 13: 03 New
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    that is, to whom, if not over forty and 50, he should be left aside to young people?))) Here you have violated the constitution and the labor code and just competition in the labor market, young people are not always needed.
    1. domokl 3 February 2020 13: 45 New
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      laughing laughing laughing There is also a violation of government decrees and presidential decrees ... Private business hires personnel. According to your criteria. And correctly refuse, so that the bookworms are not attached, we can
      1. Lamata 3 February 2020 14: 10 New
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        wink you need competent personnel, regardless of age or you need to correctly refuse, amuse yourself)
        The stench of the young is full, and the result?
  • VicktorVR 3 February 2020 13: 25 New
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    Quoting jobs?
    Those. to force the employer to hire well if the "dark horse", and even sheer idler / fool / boob?
    The problem is in the system and ideology of the state, which does not exist.
    Even in the USSR, many went to college, so as not to serve in the army, and "get a job" well.
    Now, with the current collapse of education, a university diploma says almost nothing.
    Graduates do not understand (well, don’t know) elementary things, for them a university is a way to slope and get crusts.
    And the state and employers are crying that there is no one to work, but it’s natural, how to spit against the wind - you’ll be wet: all sensible young people “settle down”, transfer papers, and even just issue orders at the warehouse, why not, if the factory But sn, we must lift weights, think, and even bear some responsibility ?!
    To become a real specialist, you must have at least five years of experience. And all these five years to receive a sn at the best “average in the region”, and all five years to study in order to really understand the essence of the process.
    The system itself is designed in such a way that neither the graduate nor the employer understand why they are to each other?
    Take a graduate to the workshop, and then ask - what can you do, what kind of work to do in this workshop? Moo, nothing to say.
  • prior 3 February 2020 13: 39 New
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    He shouted in the forest: “We have a road everywhere for the young!”
    And why did the echo respond with such foul language ...
    1. Van 16 3 February 2020 13: 49 New
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      And if you suddenly add "honor to the old people everywhere", then what will fly back?))
      The question is rhetorical, it is not necessary to answer, otherwise it will suddenly be banned))
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    On the one hand, it’s alarming, and on the other, interesno !!!
    Let OUR youth stir up that standing, tukh x x not fragrant swamp that our upper and other authorities have turned into!
    Fun is sneaking up!
  • Rust 3 February 2020 14: 01 New
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    So it's sad. And so - that age laborers will be in demand for a long time to come. So far, masses of young people do not go to welders and fitters.
  • Lamata 3 February 2020 14: 11 New
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    It was felt that torquemadists from VO still did not clean out)))))
  • Dur_mod 3 February 2020 14: 19 New
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    I don’t know, it’s already necessary to cook from school, and not at the university. My daughter is finishing grade 11, fluent in English, German understands by ear and can answer, Korean - already translates dramas to his wife, but also high expenses for tutors, as well as preparation for exams, admission, I’m going to Poland to work, I’m giving an opportunity to daughter enter and study at the university and leave our
    Honduras
    at least where, but only away from Ukraine.
  • hhhhhhh 3 February 2020 14: 25 New
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    “So, first of all, it is necessary to quote jobs for young people. First of all, for graduates of educational institutions and for those who return after serving in the army. Roughly speaking, it is necessary to return those same three to five years of working time after high school."
    - at whose expense is the banquet? Who will pay the salary of quota specialists. This time. Employers will easily get around this by accepting dead souls.
    First you need to change Russia’s concept of everything for profit on something else.
  • anjey 3 February 2020 14: 56 New
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    Employment and demand for youth in our country tied up some kind of Gordian ball with the demand and employment of pensioners. Under the new pension reform, active and hard work, many pensioners to 65 will be driven by health like horses and are not beneficial to the employer, even healthy, good and qualified the specialists will remain and the middle peasants where, to the graveyard? The contradiction is that the young must free up a place and manage to manage to reach 65 by the same place.
    There is some kind of abracadabra in the heads of our rulers, as a result, neither the old nor the small have any serious prospects and confidence in the bright future, no intelligible strategy for citizens and patriots of Russia, people are left to survive with cold-blooded cynicism and indifference of their native state. creating material values ​​determine the future of a normal country and not the people who have grabbed these values.
  • 1536 3 February 2020 16: 10 New
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    Who seeks will always find! Our youth is in tune with their time. She is free, she does what she wants to do, and no one forces her to do something across her will. Young people today do not have a problem where to find food and clothing for the family, how to buy a car, she doesn’t think how not to “fly out” from the Komsomol for going to church, or how not to “put her party card on the table” for contacting a beautiful employee at work with a living wife. Well, who is not without sin? They are free. They have only one problem, how to earn a lot of money while doing what they love. But wasn’t it necessary at all times to use one’s mind, talent, knowledge, willpower in order to achieve something? Most importantly, we should not interfere with our youth living and knocking it off with various ideas of quick enrichment, “revolutionary” theories and appeals, corrupting it with envy, setting “children” and protégés as an example. This phenomenon is all over the world. In the USA, for example, it took the ugly forms of state terrorism, when “color revolutions” are financed under “sons” and “daughters”, entire states, industries in competing countries are ruined, etc. disgusting things happen. And, of course, not to give way to mediocrity, a fool ... m and frank boors to occupy leadership positions. But there are indeed problems with this.
  • samarin1969 3 February 2020 17: 42 New
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    In "colleges" do not study at all. (Except for doctors and cooks). Billions of the budget go only so that millions of undergrowths "hang out" somewhere under supervision. This is beneficial only to the police and parents. It is a national tradition to give the “child” 2-3 years to tumble ... at the expense of the state. Then the army, weddings, real study at the place of work. Most "colleges" and some universities should simply be closed as unnecessary.
    For industries and agricultural firms should be given tax incentives for the device "nihilists of knowledge." Owners in enterprises have higher discipline than in the army and there is an opportunity to really learn something (install windows, mount an alarm, trim gardens, etc.)
  • lopvlad 3 February 2020 18: 18 New
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    It is clear that today, in a situation where life expectancy has increased slightly


    to understand that it’s not enough to look at the acquaintances and neighbors living around them now, their age, health and recall at least the beginning of the 90s and the situation with that then.
    Life expectancy has increased only in federal megacities, and then artificial life expectancy has grown (when you live on drugs and through periodic surgical interventions). The natural life expectancy (when you live without absorbing several tablets or injections every day, and do not run to the doctor for examinations every other day but still feel normal) has fallen significantly.
    Moreover, if today's population of Russia is placed in the 90s, then, given the lack of money and medical support, the annual extinction figures will immediately increase by several million.

    As for young people, there are prospects if, of course, you are not a genius like Rostapovich or you don’t have a blat to sit in a warm place in business or among officials, you don’t have any. All that awaits you in this case is a beggarly salary, and with this in mind you won’t even see a beggarly pension, just to live to it you simply need to eat well, be treated and rest, which is impossible for a beggarly salary.
    In Russia, social elevators are completely absent, but it is unnecessary for me to rub about elevators such as the "Support of Russia", created to legitimize the coming to power of officials of their children, relatives and acquaintances.
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    I was lucky with fellow friends. one is working in RONO, the other is the deputy director of the school in the village, the third is the head of the workshop at the metallurgical plant, the fourth is the head of the site there. all the guys achieved with their work and knowledge, without any "pull", dating and luck. they earn normally, enough for bread and butter and children for sweets, some kind of cars, etc. they are now from 42 to 38, i.e. it is possible that sho and career will continue. what am I writing this for - no one bothers the modern shkolota to get out of the Internet and plunge into reality. they just want to be managers with a free schedule and a huge salary - and here the problems begin. and they don’t read articles like that, we share our opinions as much as possible. happy, even though the cultural team gathered - without insults and a mat
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    It’s useless to write about jobs. It will not increase. Because now those enterprises that work for export are supported. Now the era of bachelors is coming. Only a small part continues to study. And at this time to earn extra money. When we talk about youth, about children, from the field children’s eyes drop out. They are not really our children. Some really want to build their own lives. Others look at the network where many earn no less than some surgeon. With little effort to earn more. There are no programs for children and adolescents. Or only on paper.