Starfish second magnitude


The Netherlands never abandoned the military fleet and continue to "keep the bar" at a fairly high level.


They did not have gigantic defense budgets, and their main projects were ships of the 2nd rank. However unexpected for everyone their modest frigates surpassed in combat capabilities cruisers and destroyers leading maritime powers.

Ships have always been built in small series of 2–4 units, but their practical value is enormous. Both for the Netherlands themselves and their allies, as well as for the entire military shipbuilding industry as a whole. Dutch projects demonstrate benchmark performance for marine weapons.

Efficiency has a name: HNLMS Tromp.

“Tromp” (not Trump!) - in memory of the dynasty of the Dutch admirals of the XVII century. The last three generations of ships bearing this name have turned out to be extremely sensible designs.

Tromp Light Cruisers (1937)


The threat of the capture of the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia) became a determining factor in the development of the Netherlands Navy in the 1930s. In the upcoming confrontation with Japan, special hopes were pinned on joint actions with the British fleet (subsequently ABDA, American-British-Dutch-Australian Command).

The Dutch understood well that they were a weak link. Their first battlecruiser (the development of the German Scharnhorst) could enter service not earlier than 1944. The base of the fleet was light forces.

In this situation, the command considered it reasonable to assume some of the responsibilities to neutralize the Japanese destroyers. All possible assistance for the allies, within the limits of available opportunities.

Thus was born the project "Argonaut 600", which became a warship of the type "Tromp".

Starfish second magnitude

It does not lend itself to precise classification. Too large and not fast enough for a destroyer leader. But still too small to fit the standards for a WWII era cruiser.

The destroyer? Colonial ship? Raider? Gunboat? Not!


The author of a detailed Russian-language article about Tromp ironically called it the Pygmy Cruiser Class. Most sources still consider the Tromp light cruiser and give him optimistic estimates. “Run into” such an adversary in the labyrinth of the Sunda Islands did not bode well for the combination of Japanese destroyers.

Combined torpedo-artillery weapons with a main caliber of 150 mm. Three GK towers (3x2), an internal citadel, ballistic reservations, ASDIC sonar, anti-submarine bombers, anti-aircraft guns, a reconnaissance seaplane. Speed ​​- 32 knots.

With a total displacement of 4800 tons - only 15% more than the leader of Tashkent.

Of course, the leaders were different. For objectivity, it is worth noting that Tashkent was the largest, simply outstanding representative of its class. Most leaders and large destroyers of that time were 1,5-2 times behind the displacement from Tashkent.

The Dutch ship turned out even more. But the cruisers are also not mature enough.

Nevertheless, the size of the "Tromp" has already allowed to realize many of the advantages of such a severe caliber. Fully enclosed 70-ton towers of the Civil Code with 60 ° elevation angles, two of which are in the nose, according to a linearly elevated pattern. A full rangefinder post with a base of 6 meters. And an extended forecastle, providing a freeboard height of 6 to 7 meters at half the length of the hull. The Tromp board was taller than the Iowa battleship!

When viewed from the side, the “pygmy” seemed much larger than it actually was.


In this sense, the Tromp resembled modern ships, which, with relatively small displacement values, have sides of outstanding height.


In this image, the dimensions of the light cruiser are felt (in comparison with the figure of a sailor)

Due to the general “lightness” of its structures (which is an affinity for destroyers), the 4800-ton “Trompu” was guaranteed a high side. But the cruiser did not receive developed add-ons due to the presence of 450 tons of armor. Those reserves of mass that modern ships of similar sizes spend on skyscraper add-ons, the light cruiser "went" inside the hull.

Evaluations of his reservation begin with a “belt” - a covering that had a thickness of 2 mm over 3/16 of the hull. In fact, some destroyers, for example, the American Fletcher, could boast of similar bullet-proof armor (from fragments and bullets of machine guns). Sheathing and decking “Fletcher” reached a thickness of 0,5 inches (12,7 mm). Even at the Soviet "sevens", often criticized for the fragility of the hulls, the thickness of the shirrek was 10 mm. (Shirstrek - a strip of casing, in the upper part of the side, where stresses from bending loads reach the highest values.)

But the creators of Tromp went even further.

The real carapace was hidden inside from prying eyes. The “external” compartments located along the side were separated from the “internal” compartments with important mechanisms of a longitudinal bulkhead with a thickness of 20-30 mm, which also played the role of a PTZ bulkhead. And in the same way - from the opposite side. From above, both bulkheads were connected by a deck of Krupp armor 25 mm thick.

In order to enhance the protection of the underwater part, the ship had a double bottom for 57% of its length.

Of course, the designers paid attention to the protection of weapons - GK towers and barbets received walls with a thickness of 15 to 25 mm.

Of course, such a spaced reservation could not protect the Dutch cruiser even from 5 '' shells. But this did not mean that 450 tons were wasted. The calculation of the designers was based on the localization of damage and providing protection against fragments.

No one from the ships closest in size and purpose (counter-carriers of French and Italian construction) had no constructive defense at all. And the concepts of "citadel", "traverse", "horizontal defense", PTZ were found only in ships of a class no lower than the cruiser.

Tromp: A Truly Unique Pygmy


Best ship of rank 2-3? In my opinion, Tromp deserves a more careful assessment. No matter how powerful his artillery was, in the battle in Badang Bay, the cruiser was unable to sink any of the opponents (destroyers Asashio and Oyashio), receiving 11 hits in response. However, one episode is not an indicator. In 1942, the Allies suffered heavy losses, regardless of the quality of ships and weapons.

Or the aforementioned seaplane - not a single image of the Tromp with an airplane on board was found. Most likely, the cruiser carried aviation weapons only in theory.

It is clear that such “pygmies” could not be of interest to the fleets of the leading sea powers.

To understand why Tromp is a successful project, you need to look at the situation differently.

The Dutch found a way with a lack of funds and technology to strengthen the fleet with something more serious than the destroyer leader. And this practice could be useful for the Navy of many states. Unfortunately, the command of the weak fleets often suffered from an inferiority complex. They were important external brilliance and extreme speed - as proof of their high value.

The Tromp of 1937 is perhaps not the most convincing example of Dutch craftsmanship. In his era, too much depended on the size of the ship itself. But the advent of microelectronics and guided missile weapons completely "untied" the hands of the Dutch designers.

Frigates URO type "Tromp" (1973)


A series of two ships built as the flagships of the Netherlands Navy. Wait a laugh!

At a total displacement of 4300 tons, Dutch the frigate carried half the weapons of the California nuclear-powered cruiser. And something else ...


Comparison with the atomic cruiser is not accidental. Indeed, the comparison of “Tromp” with “classmates” from the 1970s will look awkward.

A frigate like Oliver Perry (4200 tons) will immediately lose on all counts. He has the same “one-armed” Mk.13 launcher with 40 missile ammunition ... but how many fire control channels? Only one. And what is a surveillance radar? I am ashamed to speak.

Under the huge white cap of the Tromp hid the powerful three-axis radar SPS-01, which was originally created to work as part of the British Sea Dart air defense system.

In addition, Tromp was equipped with an additional short-range air defense system. Protection at the nasal corners was provided by the container Sea Sperrow.

Here is another example. Type 42 British destroyer known as the Sheffield. Having a similarly designed two-channel medium / long-range air defense system, the destroyer was clearly inferior to the Tromp due to the absence of a near-field air defense system, weak artillery and the absence of anti-ship missiles.

Paradoxical as it may seem, only the California cruiser can be considered as the closest possible analogue of the Tromp in the 1970s. Where the Tartar / Standard air defense system was also used as the main weapon.


At the same time, the small “Dutchman” turned out to be “toothy” enough to look worthy against the background of such a high-ranking rival. And even excel in something! For example, California did not have a helicopter hangar.

The most unpretentious, but the most efficient NATO ship in European waters


Perhaps the Dutch knew the magic word. If we evaluate the situation logically, then the disproportionate possibilities of the “Tromp” have their own explanation.

The US Navy is used to looking at any ships, even cruisers and destroyers, in the context of mass production. Mass product, commodity, consumable.

As part of the compact European fleets, each ship was on a special account and had an exclusive status. And the attitude towards him was appropriate.


The Netherlands, as one of the most developed and wealthy members of NATO, could afford more than the rest. They independently created or purchased the best weapons, turning their ships of the 2nd rank into real "death stars".

Command frigate "Tromp" (2001)


Marine alloy “Aegis”, “Patriot”, C-400, “Torah”, “Shell S-1” and radar “Voronezh”. The dimensions of the 6000-ton ship allow you to put on it any existing means of air defense / missile defense.


The same flag colors, but different order of stripes. Where are our frigates of this level?

Radars with active antennas of any selected ranges and dozens of launchers with missiles, without deployment delays. The weapon of the ship is in immediate readiness! Against the background of a flat sea surface, from the horizon to the horizon, where aviation and air attack equipment have nowhere to hide behind the folds of the terrain.

The Dutch have made the most of these opportunities. There are only four types of ships in the world that can compare with the Dutch frigate in terms of air defense / missile defense potential.

The current Tromp is a representative of the Seven Provinces team frigate series. Command - because it is the first to see an air target and provide target designation to other ships, distributing their actions in repelling an attack.

In addition, unlike its predecessors, it is very beautiful.

A detailed article about these frigates: "Flying Dutchman" setting the standard for the destroyer "Leader".

It is already too late to compete with the current Tromp; next year he will be 20 years old. On the way - a new generation of frigates (destroyers) for the Netherlands Navy. It is necessary to look and draw conclusions.

The magic word "Tromp" helps to find the right and effective solutions among countless projects in the field of military shipbuilding.

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  1. Same lech 5 February 2020 06: 01 New
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    Team frigate "Tromp" (2001) ... yes, the devil is handsome ... and the combat capabilities are impressive ... I wonder how you can sink this ship without harming the attackers ... mines or submarines ... it will be safer.
    1. Vladimir61 5 February 2020 07: 02 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      Team frigate "Tromp" (2001) ... yes, the devil is handsome ...
      Yeah, especially if you focus on his age.
    2. pmkemcity 5 February 2020 08: 45 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      I wonder how you can sink this ship without prejudice to the attackers ...

      Only tanks in the English Channel! drinks
    3. san4es 5 February 2020 15: 11 New
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      hi HNLMS Tromp (F803) and HNLMS Van Speijk (F828), NSSM, ESSM, SM2 and Harpoon launches
  2. bessmertniy 5 February 2020 06: 26 New
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    The Netherlands is somewhat confirming that they still have ships to be reckoned with. But the time when Dutch ships were arguing on the seas with Great Britain, France and Spain, of course, was long gone.
  3. bistrov. 5 February 2020 07: 30 New
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    Ships may be good, but there are no Dutch warriors, Hitler captured the Netherlands in just 4 days.
    1. mr.ZinGer 5 February 2020 08: 12 New
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      The size of the Netherlands is 370 * 260 kilometers, the population in 1940 is 10 million people. Minsk, 300 km from the Polish border, was captured on June 28.
      1. Serg65 5 February 2020 13: 14 New
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        Quote: mr.ZinGer
        Minsk, 300 km from the Polish border, was captured on June 28.

        And in what year did the Dutch liberate their country from the Hitlerite yoke, do not tell me?
    2. SID
      SID 5 February 2020 11: 10 New
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      It is foolish to reason like that (sorry for the harsh word).
      Holland was literally surrendered to Hitler. Like Denmark, Austria, and the Czech Republic, and Hungary and France, and Poland.
      The warriors can be of any level of coolness, but if the command was prepared in advance to lose, the defeat is definitely certain and inevitable.
      1. TermNachTer 6 February 2020 20: 47 New
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        And no one was going to fight at all, they were going to sit out in neutrals in the First World War, but "did not grow together."
  4. Lamata 5 February 2020 08: 25 New
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    And where does the sailors if the Wehrmacht captured Holland.
    1. Narak-zempo 5 February 2020 17: 06 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      And where does the sailors if the Wehrmacht captured Holland.

      And despite the fact that the Dutch sailors, too, managed to the fullest with their beautiful cruisers in the Java Sea.
      1. Lamata 5 February 2020 17: 18 New
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        Iticka force, where the Javanese Sea and where the Wehrmacht))))
        1. Narak-zempo 5 February 2020 17: 21 New
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          Quote: bistrov.
          Ships may be good, but there are no Dutch warriors, Hitler captured the Netherlands in just 4 days.

          Quote: Lamata
          And where does the sailors if the Wehrmacht captured Holland.

          Those. shamefully merged purely on land by the Wehrmacht, on the sea to the Imperial Navy. Which confirms that they are no warriors.
          1. Lamata 5 February 2020 20: 36 New
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            Duc war, it’s not to drive the natives in Sumat or Java, here the Wehrmacht hits his face with an forged boot, there are samurai loafers, it’s scary.
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  5. The leader of the Redskins 5 February 2020 08: 58 New
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    I thought only we have a tradition of giving names to ships over generations, and it’s just like ... Well, since I'm not a sailor, I’m excusable)))
  6. Operator 5 February 2020 11: 12 New
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    What a large galvanized trough is interesting, what is the ratio of the costs of the Dutch Tromp to the Russian Zircon? laughing
    1. Pecheneg 5 February 2020 13: 30 New
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      Probably the cost of these two representatives are equal.
    2. SovAr238A 5 February 2020 21: 33 New
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      Quote: Operator
      What a large galvanized trough is interesting, what is the ratio of the costs of the Dutch Tromp to the Russian Zircon? laughing


      When you learn to live in the real world, you will understand that in order to release one zircon in Dutch, you need to make a ship design and build these ships.
      and not one ship. but a few.
      among the top military officers (in contrast to those living in isolation from the realities - alternative specialists) no one will fight then. when you have one boat, and they have a whole fleet. Because. that this is not a fight. but suicide.
      Fight then. when there is at least some chance.

      Accordingly, you need several modern ships.
      equipped with the latest missiles of all types. the latest avionics.
      Trained and well-coordinated crew.
      And all these tens of billions of dollars spent - will allow in case of conflict - to release one zircon.
      Accordingly, this one and only zircon costs these tens of billions of dollars ...

      that’s how it should be considered correctly.
      This is called economics and startup costs.
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    SID 5 February 2020 11: 13 New
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    Amazingly harmonious, proportional and harmonious contours of the hulls of all Trompov hulls. It can be seen that the Dutch school of design knows how to maintain and develop the right tradition. Worth learning ...
  8. God save the king 5 February 2020 11: 28 New
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    So why was the affectionate author of Tromp better than the Narvik hated by him?
    Both there and there was trouble with hypertrophied weapons, which was difficult to use due to the low stability of a light vessel, while all the basic characteristics suffered.
    With a total displacement of 4300 tons, the Dutch frigate carried half the weapons of the California nuclear-powered cruiser
    Stuffing a ship to the eyeballs of weapons, like Rambo, is not an achievement. The combat value of the same Oliver Perry frigates is higher due to the larger internal volume, space for two helicopters, high anti-submarine capabilities and electronic equipment ... therefore, different countries bought them, and not a toothy miracle ship from the Netherlands.
  9. Pane Kohanku 5 February 2020 14: 08 New
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    To the author - esteemed Oleg, I want to remind you about another ship named "Tromp". yes
    Marten Harpertzoon Tromp coastal battleship - launched on June 15.06.1904, 1927 (Amsterdam). Decommissioned in XNUMX

    On some sites, Jacob van Heemskerck is also of the same type - launched on 22.09.1906/05.1908/XNUMX (Amsterdam), in service from XNUMX.
    TTX of both:
    Displacement 5300/5130 t; dimensions 101/98 x 15,2 / 16,5 x 5,7 / 5,5 m.
    2 PM 6400/6600 hp, 6/8 Yarrow boilers; Speed ​​16.8 / 16,7 knots. Coal stock 830 tons, cruising range 4100 miles.
    Reservation: belt 150-100 mm, barbets and towers 200/240-125 mm, deck 50 mm, wheelhouse 250/200 mm.
    Armament: 2-240 mm. 4 / 6-150 mm, 8 / 6-75 mm, 4-37 mm guns; 3 / 2-457 mm TA.
    Crew 347 man.

    When the German raider Emden during World War I approached the Dutch colonial possessions, the Dutch came to the cruiser’s parking lot on Tromp and politely but firmly asked to leave. Yes, the Germans are gone! hi
    1. Narak-zempo 5 February 2020 18: 34 New
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      Quote: Pan Kohanku
      Yes, the Germans are gone!

    2. Lamata 5 February 2020 20: 38 New
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      In the photo, the feeling that the ship has a roll side.
      1. Pane Kohanku 6 February 2020 09: 33 New
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        In the photo, the feeling that the ship has a roll side.

        Nope. wink Igor, the feeling that some kind of crooked “Dutch Karl Bulla” was shooting, so the horizon is littered, and he shot somewhere from above! drinks
  10. Foxnova 5 February 2020 16: 14 New
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    Air defense frigate with rudemetric gas on board and subsonic PKR

    There are no special advantages over Gorshkov in terms of shock capabilities.
    the fact that the pot turned into a long-term construction due to the economy is another matter
  11. Looking for 5 February 2020 16: 30 New
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    “For objectivity, it is worth noting that Tashkent was the largest, simply outstanding representative of its class. Most of the leaders and large destroyers of that time were 1,5-2 times behind the displacement of Tashkent.” Objectivity is worth noting. were the French leaders Mogator and Volta
    1. vadim dok 5 February 2020 19: 20 New
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      By the way, the leader of Tashkent was built according to the Italian project at the shipyard in Livorno (Italy).
    2. Santa Fe 5 February 2020 22: 47 New
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      For the sake of objectivity, it is worth noting that the largest were the French leaders Mogator and Volta

      Let's get the numbers then

      Otherwise, why such objectivity

      (Spoiler: Mogador’s displacement is 200 tons less; Volta is the second ship of the Mogador type)
  12. Undecim 5 February 2020 17: 27 New
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    Tromp Light Cruisers (1937)
    The author wrote "Tromp-class light cruisers, but only described the first one. But there were two of them. The second, Jacob van Heemskerck, was laid down in 1939 and was completed afloat when the Germans invaded Holland. The ship was taken to Portsmouth. Since weapons absent, the British decided to arm it as an air defense ship.In place of the standard towers and torpedo tubes installed ten universal 102 mm Mk XVI in twin tower installations.

    The ship successfully went through the entire war and was expelled from the fleet already in 1970.
    1. Pane Kohanku 5 February 2020 17: 48 New
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      Viktor Nikolayevich, it turns out that the series of cruisers exactly repeats the names of the series of battleships? hi
      1. Undecim 5 February 2020 17: 59 New
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        This was not a series. Armadillos of coastal defense Marten Harpertszoon Tromp and Jacob van Heemskerck differed in size and weapons.
  13. Rurikovich 5 February 2020 18: 58 New
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    About these ships, I can only say that very successful ships of second-class marine "power", which with their small quantity and high quality did not commit any super outstanding lol
    Oleg, well, described the gray ships of a single country ... So what? What's next ?? request smile
    The first "clots" didn’t help their country at all, the second and third are on the list of NATO as ordinary ships of the 2nd, or even 3rd rank, which in case of faq will carry out routine work. They won’t shy away from them, as from a super-duper van der wafer ...
    Yes, and take any ship, so it will have both strengths and weaknesses ... Everything depends on the displacement and customer requirements. That's all.
    The praises were sung beautifully, but it is not clear what they sang ... what request
    PS I am silent about the “armored defense”, because if a ship encounters an enemy more or less equal to you in class, it is naive to believe that it will not shoot at you, much less to hit, so any projectile of any destroyer 30-40 's simply won't notice the 30mm armored stronghold ...
    Do you say "death star"? .... wink hi
  14. TermNachTer 6 February 2020 20: 54 New
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    The Japanese seriously considered in the class of light cruisers such misunderstandings as the Tenryu, Isuzu, Yubari and did not experience any remorse.
  15. Constanty 7 February 2020 17: 55 New
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    Or the aforementioned seaplane - not a single Tromp image was found with an airplane on board. Most likely, the cruiser carried aircraft weapons only in theory.


    Dear Oleg Kaptsov, here is a photo of the Tromp cruiser with a seaplane on board


    and here’s the seaplane of this cruiser:


    Pay attention to the caption under the photo: "Flotilleleider" "- the leader of the destroyers
    1. Constanty 7 February 2020 18: 29 New
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      https://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getdetail&id=120010631
      https://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getdetail&id=120010790
      https://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getdetail&id=120020507
      https://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getdetail&id=120020511


      https://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getdetail&id=120024455

      https://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getdetail&id=120024448
      https://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getdetail&id=120024453