Zelensky accuses Iran of not providing records of dispatcher talks during the Boeing incident

In Ukraine, they announced that they do not agree with the amounts of compensation proposed by the Iranian side for the downed Boeing. Recall that the liner belonged to the company "International Airlines of Ukraine". On board were the Ukrainian crew and several Ukrainian citizens. The rest are citizens of Iran, Afghanistan, Germany and other countries.

Zelensky said that Tehran offered Kiev $ 80 thousand of compensation for every dead citizen of Ukraine. In Kiev, they said that it was "disproportionately small."

At the same time, the President of Ukraine stated that Ukraine had records of negotiations with the airport dispatcher at the disposal of which it can be understood that the Iranian authorities immediately learned about the Boeing missile strike. Zelensky spoke out that Ukraine had this record as a result of the action of special services.

President of Ukraine:

The publication of a new record of negotiations between the Tehran airport controller and the pilot of the Iranian airline, who saw the missile launch and hit the UIA, proves that the Iranian side knew from the very beginning that the plane was hit by a missile. They already knew about this at the time of the downing.

At the same time, Zelensky accused Tehran of having arrived in Iran by a Ukrainian investigation team (consisting of 45 people) "who did not get access to fragments of the airliner." According to the President of Ukraine, "they were not given access to the cockpit and seats of the crashed plane, and the seats can be used to judge whether it could be an explosion from the inside or not."

Zelensky:

They did not get access to dispatch records.

In this situation, the question arises, when will the Ukrainian side give access to the records of the dispatchers who decided to lead the MH17 over the epicenter of hostilities in the Donbass? Considering the fact that 5,5 years have passed since the moment of the attack on the Malaysian Airlines plane ...

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[svp67]

They did not get access to dispatch records.

And this is what the Ukrainian President says ??? "Deja vu" some ...

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Negotiations MH17 with the dispatcher are in the public domain. And they lay there back in September 2014.

[Same lech]

Negotiations MH17 with the dispatcher are in the public domain.

Where did the dispatcher evaporate?

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

I was not interested in anything, when you can just go and read the negotiations.

[Same lech]

I was not interested in anything, when you can just go and read the negotiations.

I'm more interested in the dispatcher a living witness to a crime is always more valuable than some obscure records.
I hope the dispatcher has not yet been strangled in the dungeons of the SBU.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

But I like the records. It is always more valuable to see a direct objective fixation of how everything happened than some kind of witness stories, seasoned with mistakes, fantasies and memory lapses. Criminologists even have a saying: "he lies as an eyewitness."

[krot]

Negotiations MH17 with the dispatcher are in the public domain. And they lay there back in September 2014.

Where are the publicly available negotiations? Link please? Just do not need a link to the printed leaflets, which I can do myself .. As much as you like. And the notes, as you say! It is the record! And not the start of the flight, but to the last .. with mats, as it happens ..

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: krot

Just do not need a link to the printed leaflets, which I can do myself .. As much as you like.

Yes, you can make audio recordings yourself. To yell obscenities at the microphone with a bunch of noise, what's so difficult?

[Shurik70]

There is no dispatcher evaporated.
The films themselves evaporated there, and there is still no certainty that ALL negotiations are posted in the public domain.
The tapes were sent to London "for examination". Nobody saw them again.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Shurik70

there is still no certainty that ALL negotiations are posted in the public domain.

Representatives of Russia were members of the DSB commission, which conducted a technical investigation. They had no comments about retrieving information from the boxes.

[krot]

Yes, you can make audio recordings yourself.

It's called a fake thrower!

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

So, if you provide audio recordings, it will hinder you to say that they are also fake if you do not like them?

[krot]

So if you provide audio recordings, it’s not good for you to say

Carry complete nonsense! There is no access to negotiations with the liner, nor to the dispatcher himself (possibly even alive). And your Sumerians can print fake leaflets as much as they like, but they are not genuine. A specialist from IAC, when providing him with data from radars and tower negotiations, will distinguish the original from the installation. And then, with expert judgment, we can say that the data is correct. And they are still not there. And there is not even just an audio recording that family members would distinguish for authenticity.
Stop the air shake.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

IAC experts were part of the DSB commission, which conducted an investigation and published a report. They had no complaints about extracting data from black boxes and decrypting them. But this, apparently, does not bother you at all.

[krot]

Did I talk about black boxes at all? So always confuse sausage with meat .. Or purposefully attribute to me that which was not! I have no questions about parametric recorders .. Where is the recording of the negotiations between the pilot and the tower? And where is the interrogation of the dispatcher, like himself? Radar data? They are also evidence! Somewhere to the side you pull me constantly, leading me away from the truth)

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

I can tell you the following: everything published in DSB reportwent through coordination with the IAC specialists, who included to the DSB commission. And negotiations, too (and negotiations are written both on the tower and in the black box). IAC specialists did not agree with something in the consultation process (and this was reflected in the report), but none of this seemed to be the reliability of the negotiations between the pilots and the tower, which were included in the final report.

[krot]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

I can tell you the following:

And in my opinion one air shake from your side again! Where are the records of the negotiations? Where is the dispatcher? Where are the records from the radars? NETU! And this is the only thing that could be believed, and not the verbose statements of representatives of a country that has discredited itself at the highest level. (For example, when Poroshenko lied about the murder of Babchenko.) Yes, and the whole world knows how to investigate you)) cheat ..)

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

There is a transcript of negotiations. And if you personally think that this is a Sumerian fake, then you are not arguing with me, but with the IAC experts who participated in the DSB investigation. You can go and prove to them that they do not understand anything in identifying Sumerian fakes.

[krot]

There is a transcript of negotiations. And if you personally think that this is a Sumerian fake

Wait, then, means "decryption" of negotiations from Iran on board your plane ..)) As they decrypt, they will send it ..

[krillon]

I don’t understand anything .. At the talks Strelkov’s voice giving the start-up command? Due to the fact that the Netherlands is involved as an accused? Or Putin swearing that they didn’t get there? Another I remember how the Sumerians with foam at the mouth proved that they didn’t fill up Tushka in 2001, despite the facts that were obvious in the following. Someone suffered punishment by the way except for dismissal, a terrible punishment, for that incident, not in the know? Well, judging by the occasion, Ukraine paid 200.000 cu for the deceased, which means it has the right to demand this.

[Same lech]

But I like the records. It is always more valuable to see a direct objective fixation of how everything happened than some kind of witness stories, seasoned with mistakes, fantasies and memory lapses. Criminologists even have a saying: "he lies as an eyewitness."

WADA will laugh at your words.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

WADA found traces of the manipulation of the date in a copy of the database that they were given. Someone mistakenly confused day and month.

[Same lech]

WADA found traces of the manipulation of the date in a copy of the database that they were given. Someone mistakenly confused day and month.

The stump is clear who ... Rodchenkov ... but for some reason WADA believes him more than the official leadership of Russia.
So you need to arrange a full-fledged interrogation to the dispatcher on a lie detector.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Only now the manipulations date back to the time when Rodchenkov was on the run for a long time, and the Moscow laboratory was cordoned off by the Investigative Committee, and "investigative actions" were carried out in it.

[Same lech]

But the manipulations date back to the time when Rodchenkov was on the run for a long time,

It is also sewn with white thread
Rodchenkov, having remote access to the database, could well clean up everything he needed (with the help of the US special services) ... by the way, our specialists proved this ... there was a remote entrance and someone Rodchenkov was digging there.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

By the way, our specialists proved this ... there was a remote entrance and someone Rodchenkov dug there.

Yeah, they stated as well thereafter manipulations appeared in the database. That is, they knew that there could be manipulations through remote access and did not even turn it off, did not even change the passwords? Don't think (c)

[Same lech]

Yeah, they said, and after that, manipulations appeared in the database. That is, they knew that there could be manipulations through remote access and did not even turn it off, did not even change the passwords? Don't think (c)

Why not ... catch the criminal on live bait a holy cause ... and Rodchenkov the criminal is unambiguous ... dragging our athletes into his dirty tricks.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

To catch them, it means, was taught, but to do backups is not. Not a single person with the rudiments of intelligence will believe this, and will do it right.

[Same lech]

Not a single person with the rudiments of intelligence will believe this,

WADA will believe ... for them, the main thing is to punish the Russians.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

So WADA just does not believe, and believes that she is being pushed by some bullshit.

[Same lech]

So WADA just does not believe, and believes that she is being pushed by some bullshit.

For some reason she believes Fuflu Rodchenkova.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

No, she believes that when they give her a base with traces of manipulation in 2018 and say that it’s Rodchenkov, they give her bullshit.

[Same lech]

Well, will we go around again?
In this story, Rodchenkov is a key figure ... why he is hidden from an independent investigation ... why he cannot be interrogated openly through a lie detector ... it is clear that he is a provocateur if he is cherished like the apple of his eye from exposure ... and WADA indulges this.

[krot]

So are you a "specialist" in WADA or MAC?)))

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

No, she believes that when they give her a base with traces of manipulation in 2018 and say that it’s Rodchenkov, they give her bullshit.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

By IAC and IOC.

[Same lech]

So are you a "specialist" in WADA or MAC?)))

No ... it’s just that I see WADA swindling by breaking common sense ... justifying the use of doping to the Norwegians, Canadians, English, Americans, etc. the same disgrace is utter.

[Nosgoth]

ABOUT!!!! Hohlonakakyvatel fan drew. Now the Sumerian thought will begin to push everywhere, and everything is changed :-)

[orionvitt]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

The stump is clear who ... Rodchenkov ... but for some reason WADA believes him more than the official leadership of Russia.

Rodchenkov confessed exclusively in interviews with various American publications. And in the American court, where he was invited as a witness, he groaned and bleated absurdly that he did not remember anything and saw nothing. Not about the "Rodchenkov cocktail", the recipe for which I forgot, not about the samples, not about the athletes. How, for giving false testimony, you can get a real time. It's not for you to speak on a TV show, supposedly after plastic surgery. By the way, where did he go? Hidden, or already dug in? And where is the Dnepropetrovsk dispatcher, in the same place?

[ANB]

WADA is unclear what she found. I compared the source of the copy with the transferred base.
Conventional DBMSs do not have the means to protect the database changes by the administrator. And even there is no control.
Well, if the admin is not a loser, yes.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: ANB

Well, if the admin is not a loser, yes.

Fair reservation. Here's how it looked:

The mistake he came across was that when entering the command to return the LIMS system date from the past, Mochalov used the date format in the United States by January 8, 2019 (01/08/2019). This led to the fact that the whole system was dated August 1, 2019, i.e., it was transferred to the future for some time, until it was reset shortly before January 8, 2019.

[ANB]

Yes. Like a loser. This error could also be cleared.
And exactly how was it?
Who took such a curved-handed administrator for work?

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: ANB

And exactly how was it?

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/20191209_crc_recommendation_final.pdf примечание 11 на странице 15.

Quote: ANB

Who took such a curved-handed administrator for work?

He is the husband of the head of the Moscow laboratory RUSADA)))

[ANB]

Everything is clear then. The familiar picture.
Even it seems to me that he cleaned it nothing, but simply crooked hands screwed up the base. And he himself did not notice.
For a fake it was possible one-time and sensible to hire.
Although what am I talking about.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

One could assume stupidity instead of malicious intent, and this would even be logical, but there were a lot more to be found. For example, scripts deleted but not erased by zeros to insert records retroactively. In the report, the link is heartbreaking details.

[Liam]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

In the report, the link is heartbreaking.

There is idle time, clearly. And in Russian)
https://m.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/medved2006/2683005.html

[ANB]

And what did the scripts do on the server?
It seems that everything is specially done to substitute.

[Liam]

It's just a lot of work and little time. It's like a snowball. Each erased record, then dozens of other records must be erased to hide the traces of washing). And then hundreds to hide the traces of the previous dozens. And so on. And delete traces of commands to erase from the command log. And then erase files from which it was clear that commands were deleted from the log. And all this despite the fact that the one who did it was not the server developer and did not know all the "caches" where the infa was stored. In short, there was no chance of doing everything "clean"

[ANB]

There, a competent administrator / programmer who knows the DBMS has a maximum day to study the structure of the database and another hour to clean. Moreover, all rights were.

[Liam]

Quote: ANB

There, a competent administrator / programmer who knows the DBMS has a maximum day to study the structure of the database and another hour to clean. Moreover, all rights were.

Smiled). The joke is that the one who gave the command to the poor system administrator to clean out the base also thought so as you. Everything turned out to be more difficult

[ANB]

I wouldn’t think, but I would take and do it myself. If it were Oracle.
But the administrator must know his DBMS. Although if by pull, what kind of admin.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Apparently, the centralized plan was not at the appropriate level. Those who ruled the recording thought that they would agree not to give the base for examination. Those who agreed to restore RUSADA status thought that there would be nothing to worry about if the base were given. Then, in a hurry and panic, they tried to save the situation.

This is the problem with all conspiracy theories - they don't work in real life. People who in all seriousness believe that "mattresses" do everything through secret multi-passages, trying to do the same on the principle of "what they do, and the worse we are" immediately stumble upon the harsh reality - a cunning devilish plan goes awry in the most monstrous in a funny and ridiculous way due to unaccounted for details and the human factor.

[ANB]

And why write first in the database what got in order to clean it later?

[PalBor]

Well, yes, especially since several independent experts found signs of editing on tapes.
But Zelensky became insolent, of course. Two million hryvnias are not enough for them. To each.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, as I understand it, it's not about "enough is not enough", but about the generally accepted amounts. There are also examples of payments. And there, in dollar terms, it really came out more.

[PalBor]

Yes, it turns out you're right. After long bickering and serious pressure, Ukraine still paid 200 thousand dollars to the families of those killed in the downed Tu-154. Did not know.

[orionvitt]

Two million hryvnias is not enough for them. To each.

Ukrainians are so proud and rich people that they do not need handouts. It’s easier to work for a minimum salary of $ 200.
Moreover, when the truth about the Boeing shot down in Iran comes up, we will learn a lot of interesting things. Including the role of Ukraine in this matter. A muddy story from the very beginning.

[bessmertniy]

Iran offered to compensate 80 for each Ukrainian, and the state of Ukraine intends to compensate 000 for the deceased relatives. The question is, is it more correct to say that Iran pays a lot, but overpays?

[Avior]

shot down like Iran, they must pay compensation. Or isn’t it?

[bessmertniy]

That is yes. But it’s worth remembering how much Ukraine paid for the civilian aircraft shot down over it and how it compensated for the deaths of foreign citizens.

[Chervonny]

Quote: PalBor

But Zelensky became insolent, of course.

He is just playing. He is not a politician. Flirting, he creates the illusion that in the cinema as well as in life. He will finish one day ...

[Blackmokona]

Didn’t evaporate anywhere

[Same lech]

Not really alive?

[Blackmokona]

And why should he die?

[Same lech]

Why?

The question is for him right away ... how could he allow a Boeing to stay in the combat zone ... any instruction prohibits the passage of civilian aircraft in the combat zone ... is this not strange?

[Blackmokona]

In general, it does not prohibit anything flying over Afghanistan.
The ban is driven by the country at the highest level, and in Ukraine there was no such ban for the altitude at which the Boeing flew

[Same lech]

The ban is driven by the country at the highest level, and in Ukraine there was no such ban for the altitude at which the Boeing flew

It’s all the more strange ... The Ukrainian Armed Forces have already suffered losses in aviation and after that they still allow the Boeing to fly knowing that it could be attacked ... immediately leads to suspicion of involvement of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in this case.

[Blackmokona]

And then APU? Prohibition leads the country's top leadership. And the ban was for the heights of intercepting MANPADS, but Buki in the Donbass have not yet shot

[Same lech]

Prohibition leads the country's top leadership.

Poroshenko did not give a damn about this Boeing ... he is one of the key defendants in this case ... I would also drive him through a lie detector.

[orionvitt]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

The question is for him right away ... how could he allow Boeing to stay in the war zone ..

Actually, its corridor ran 150 km to the south, over the Azov Sea. But on that very day, he was sent exactly along the route where he was safely shot down. And the dispatcher immediately disappeared the next day. She suddenly went on vacation, and to this day she is "resting" somewhere. What other proof are they looking for?

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: orionvitt

In fact, its corridor ran 150 km to the south, over the Sea of ​​Azov. But on that day, he was sent precisely along that route

Lies, he flew along the standard route. A week before the crash https://ru.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140710/1000ZZ/EHAM/WMKK a month before the crash https://ru.flightaware.com/live / flight / MAS17 / history / 20140617 / 1000ZZ / EHAM / WMKK

[PalBor]

You don't even know the dispatcher's sex, but with surprise you ask ... Ah! The SBU changed her gender and gave her a house in Gelendzhik and a lot, a lot of money to hide from the "bloody GRU", of course.

[Astra wild]

Perhaps he went to the toilet?

[Karaul73]

Of course he hanged himself. Where did he go?

[4ekist]

I suspect the kakly hid him or removed him.

[svp67]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Negotiations MH17 with the dispatcher are in the public domain. And they lay there back in September 2014.

And that is excellent. The crash in July, the recordings in September ... and here it is. Then what's the problem?

[Chervonny]

Quote: svp67

Then what is the problem?

The fact that all these so-called negotiations with the dispatcher is 100% fake

[Avior]

Rostov dispatchers are also participating there.
you don’t need to think that everything is dumber than you, probably compared with the records from Rostov and if you could convict that

the so-called negotiations with the dispatcher 100% fake

no one would be silent, would have long been convicted ....

[Adam Khomich]

Is it in the same place as the fake SBU about the negotiations of the militias?

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

On the website of the Netherlands prosecutor's office.

(Amendment: more precisely, on the website of the Netherlands Security Council.)

[Same lech]

The Netherlands Prosecutor’s Office has no confidence ... she already cleared all evidence before the trial

[Adam Khomich]

Can you imagine what the criminal process is and who are its participants?
The wreckage of Boeing had not yet reached the ground, and Poroshenko and all the non-profitable media were already blaming Russia. After TWO (!) Hours the SBU posted the "negotiations" of the militias on the network and in MULTIPLE languages ​​at once! Where and why such efficiency? And then, for a week, the APU massively fired at the Boeing crash site from all barrels! For what and why?
The Dnieper dispatcher Petrenko went on vacation and still has not returned. Where's she? Pilot Voloshin took and shot himself. Where are the results of the investigation? There is still a bunch of mysterious deaths and disappearances to which the Ukrainian authorities have no explanation!

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

You have here mixed up a set of subjective opinions about what is happening too fast, or not fast enough, or not happening, although it seems to you what should be happening - I will just say that I am not interested in arguing with subjective opinions. Opinions in the existing information environment are formed according to the principle "the louder they yell, the more convincing they look," and I don't know how to yell loudly. I am interested in facts.

In fact: a massive shelling of the crash site of Boeing by the Armed Forces was only in the media, it is not in the reports of the OSCE observation mission. Voloshin’s pilot, even in Russia, is no longer considered involved, because the version with the Su-25 has long disappeared, it was replaced by the version with Buk.

[Adam Khomich]

Those. In your opinion, everything that I wrote my personal invention, subjective opinion? So refute me with facts, take me to the face of the table, so to speak! Following you a question! Why did the dispatcher Petrenko change the route and level of the Boeing? On July 14 and 15, the route of this flight ran along the southern coast of the Sea of ​​Azov. However, on July 16 the plane was already sailing along the north coast, and on the 17th it generally moved north - directly to the combat zone.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Not all. I answered the facts. But the dispute of the level "to lay out negotiations in N hours is fast or slow? Too fast or not too? "- just pure opinion versus opinion, in this I do not participate, because you have to be able to yell a lot in order to convince someone of something.

Quote: adam khomich

Why did the dispatcher Petrenko change the route and level of the Boeing?

The dispatcher Petrenko did not change the Mershrut and the Boeing train. This follows from the transcript of the negotiations. MH17 at the time of the defeat was within the borders of its corridor (international air corridor L980) - this is written in the DSB report and is confirmed by flightradar24.

[Mimoprohodil]

It seems that the Sea of ​​Azov did not flood the land until Donetsk https://ru.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140716/1000ZZ/EHAM/WMKK

[Avior]

Can you write more seriously? it’s no secret that they first announced that they had shot down An Armed Forces of Ukraine, even before it became known that it was a Boeing.

[Adam Khomich]

Where did you get this information? From Turchinov, Poroshenko, Gerashchenko or SBU?
After the story of the "no boilers", the "murder" of Babchenko and the loud accusation of this on Russia from the UN rostrum, there is no and cannot be faith in these sources of "truth"! You haven’t answered either one of my questions!

[Adam Khomich]

Who reported?

[mister-red]

Let me ask: are the printouts or voice recording?
I saw printouts, there is no voice. Drop the link if that.
You can write anything. Where are these dispatchers and why won't the JIT interrogate them?

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: mister-red

You can write anything.

And you can record anything with your voice too. The DSB commission, which was engaged in decryption, had Russian specialists, ask them about the authenticity of the decryption. Among the comments submitted by the Russian side, there are no claims to the authenticity of the transcripts.

[4ekist]

Zelensky on this occasion is better to shut up.

[Avior]

I have read many times about the requirement to publish negotiations with the flight manager MH17.
I don’t quite understand what this requirement is about.
Negotiations, it seems, have long been opened

And their transcript has long been published everywhere
https://kp.ua/politics/469414-obnarodovana-rasshyfrovka-perehovorov-dyspetcherov-vo-vremia-katastrofy-mn17

...... 13:19:21 Dnepropetrovsk: Yes.

Rostov: Okay. Dnepropetrovsk, Rostov alone. Can you give a course for Malaysian Airlines to Rostov to RND, we have three of them.

Dnepropetrovsk: Is there one seven for Malaysian?

Rostov: Yes, we will bring them back to TIKNA.

Dnepropetrovsk: Excellent.

Rostov: Yes, thanks.

13:19:49. Dnepropetrovsk: Malaysian one seven, in connection with the traffic, follow the route Romeo November Delta (RND) ....

But I constantly come across a demand to publish these negotiations. It is not clear what is meant?

[Same lech]

13:19:49. Dnepropetrovsk: Malaysian one seven, in connection with the traffic, follow the route Romeo November Delta (RND) ....

Yes, yes, right there, where he was already waiting ... APU rocket men.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Yes, yes, right there, where he was already waiting ... APU rocket men.

That is, it turns out that Rostov air hub asked the Dnepropetrovsk dispatcher to send MH17 to the Ukrainian Armed Forces?

[Same lech]

Rostov air hub asked the Dnepropetrovsk dispatcher to send MH17 to the Ukrainian Armed Forces?

And why on earth was this the Rostov air hub .. there are bad dumb ones to substitute themselves.
Secondly, the Ukrainian dispatcher knew perfectly well that he was sending people to certain death ... so he needed to ask a question from whom he received this order-order ... and not some kind of request.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

And why on earth was this the Rostov air hub ..

Have you read the transcript?

[Same lech]

Have you read the transcript?

What is your decryption to me ... it could have been faked ...
WADA does not believe the database of the Russian laboratory ... why should I believe this decoding?

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

What is your decryption to me ... it could have been faked ...
WADA does not believe the database of the Russian laboratory ... why should I believe this decoding?

Representatives of Russia were members of the DSB commission, which conducted a technical investigation. They had no comments regarding the transcript of the negotiations.

[Alex Justice]

Secondly, the Ukrainian dispatcher was well aware that he was sending people to certain death ..

Where does this information come from? He indicated the reason: in connection with the traffic, follow the way to Romeo November Delta (RND) ....

[Avior]

In my opinion you got excited.
Read the dispatchers' negotiations more carefully - it was at this point that the board was sent according to the instructions of the dispatchers from Rostov. They certainly have nothing to do with it.

[rocket757]

In Ukraine, they announced that they do not agree with the amounts of compensation proposed by the Iranian side for the downed Boeing.

Interestingly, but are there any rules for determining the amount of compensation?
The culprit decided, pleaded guilty and is ready to provide compensation. What's next?

[Avior]

Probably, such things are determined by established practice - 200-300 thousand dollars for the deceased
In any case, when Iran filed a similar situation with the United States in the UN International Court of Justice, the States did not begin to bring to a verdict, but paid voluntarily something around 130 million.
Let's see how it will be ....

[rocket757]

The case is not the first. Let's see how everything goes.

[Avior]

I made a mistake

The United States agreed to pay Iran compensation in the amount of $ 61,8 million for 248 dead, at the rate of $ 300 thousand for each able-bodied victim and 150 thousand for each child.

[Thrifty]

And did uk-roina residents of Donbass pay a penny for their genocide? It is necessary to equate compensation payments to uk-rointsy to compensation payments by uk-roina Donbass! If uk-roina will not pay anything, then let them go by the cash register themselves.

[Avior]

Interestingly, the Iranians will answer about this entry, is it true or not?
If true, it turns out that in Iran, both military and civilians from the first minutes knew that they shot down the plane, and not just the military, as they said
As for the amount of compensation, Iran shot down either 130 or 140 million dollars from the United States for its airliner shot down by the Americans.
Is Iran ready to pay this amount even without devaluation of the dollar for thirty years?

[Chervonny]

At the same time, the President of Ukraine announced that Ukraine had records of negotiations with the airport dispatcher at the disposal of which it can be understood that the Iranian authorities immediately learned about the Boeing missile strike.

Well, how to understand this? Zelensky says that they have records of negotiations and immediately declares that they were not given these records. Of course I understand the special services and all that, but if they have them then let them show the transcript of the negotiations. And the offense has nothing to show.

They did not get access to dispatch records

[rotmistr60]

Zelensky blamed Iran

The Ukrainian side has learned to blame and demand very well. Or maybe it is finally worth providing dispatch data on the downed Boeing and the dispatcher who disappeared somewhere?

"Disproportionately small amount."

Even at the death of their compatriots they want to grab more. And how much did they pay to the families of the victims on a downed Tu-154 flying from Israel? Pot calls the kettle black...

[Grandfather Crimea]

If you were always scum proper yourself, then you could ask. And where are your records similar when shooting down an airplane in 2014? No records or person who kept them.

[Jack O'Neill]

And why does Iran not give the information that Ukrainians ask of them? After all, the liner was Ukrainian, and the Iranians shot it down.
If they don’t give it away, it means they want to hide something.

Yes, and 80k dollars for the dead? Seriously?
It's more like a spit ...

Well, the fact that the Iranian military, that the government - knew that they had shot down a civilian airliner, has a right to life.
But why?
Initially, Iran was just doing it, saying that we did not shoot it down, we will investigate.
On the wreckage there were distinct traces of fragments (funny, but they seriously drowned here because these were traces of stones on the ground), it was impossible not to notice this.
Either the Iranian government did not see pictures of the downed liner, or ...

Okay, in the end (when there were too many proofs), Iran admitted that it shot down a Ukrainian airliner.
But Ukrainians are not allowed into the wreckage (according to Ukrainians), there is no data from the black box, there is no record of negotiations with the dispatcher.

So what is really hiding Iran?
I hope we find out the answer to this question!

[ochakow703]

Here is an activist !!! And for the lives of TUSHKA passengers from Israel, Ukraine paid how much, go and apologize, expressed condolences? But the Malaysian Boying was overwhelmed, they still muddied the water and were looking for the extreme in Russia. Gangster-Bandera den. No shame, no conscience!
And again ... Whose cow mumbled ...

[Avior]

Ukraine paid 154 thousand dollars for the victims of Tu-200.

[cniza]

I can not say, but it was paid only to the citizens of Israel, and the rest?

[K-50]

Zelensky accuses Iran of not providing records of dispatcher talks during the Boeing incident

For almost six years, ur cain hasn’t done this, so what?
You start with yourself, at least start, to demand from others later !!!

[aszzz888]

In this situation, the question arises, when will the Ukrainian side give access to the records of the dispatchers who decided to lead the MH17 over the epicenter of hostilities in the Donbass?

I read the title of the article, and the same question immediately arose.

[Lamata]

ukropovskie special services in Iran !!!

[Astra wild]

"could it be an explosion from the inside or not"? what could be an explosion from the inside if a rocket hit the plane? Is he familiar with logic or not?

[cniza]

In Kiev, they said that it was "disproportionately small."

Iran needs to analyze the payment by the state of Ukraine to its citizens in similar situations and pay by their standards, if 80 thousand dollars. they are not enough.

[Ros 56]

Did you provide information on MH17? There are no censorship words.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: svp67

They did not get access to dispatch records.

And this is what the Ukrainian President says ??? "Deja vu" some ...

The subject knocking on the keys of the piano is not the one offering to take him to Russia for his debts, president? A Jew justifying the executioners of his people, the president? This is deja vu worse. This has not happened in the history of the whole Earth. Which country is such a president. We chose the best at birth. Outstanding.

[DRM]

I, in this case, and in many others, similar, absolutely do not care about the political component. Civilians were killed.! Stop speculating and kidding. Stop working out the "trend" about Ukraine.
PS (maybe I repeat). Once I liked VO, for serious analytics. Now, miserable brawl.

[iouris]

It is necessary to blame the airline, which risked to fly in the face of military danger.