Long-range "Krasnopol-D" in artillery duels with Western self-propelled guns. Should you expect triumph


Based on operational reports of military operations on the Syrian theater of operations, regularly published in the news sections of numerous domestic military analytical portals with reference to competent sources in the command of the Russian group of forces in the SAR, the defense department of the Syrian Arab Republic, as well as military commanders acting side by side with the fighters Al-Quds, an elite division of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, we are once again convinced that equipping modern towed howitzers and self-propelled guns High-precision corrected OFS is the most significant help to friendly artillery units in intensive counter-battery duels at distances of more than 7-10 km.


The effectiveness of the UAS "Krasnopol-M2" is confirmed at the Syrian theater of operations


In particular, according to the eminent Russian publications defense.ru and Zvezda TV, referring to informed sources in the command of the Russian Armed Forces in the SAR, from August 2016 Russian and Syrian artillery units that have 2S3 Akatsiya and 2S19M Msta-S self-propelled guns as well as 2A65 Msta-B towed howitzers, the Krasnopol-M2 corrected / guided shells were repeatedly used to suppress the firing positions and strongholds of the pro-Turkish militant Islamist formation Khayyat Tahrir al-Sham in response to shelling of the Khm airbase We use unguided rockets of MLRS BM-21 "Grad" and raids of "drones-kamikaze" artisanal production.

As shown by the video materials with the captured moments of striking at enemy targets, captured by the Orlan-10 UAV turret optoelectronic systems, the effectiveness of the brainchild of the Tula Instrument Design Design Bureau named after Academician A. G. Shipunov was 100%, which was due to the high accuracy of the semi-active laser homing head of the UAS "Krasnopol-M2", as well as the timely illumination from the laser rangefinder-target designators located on the "Orlan-10" itself.

A logical question arises: are the above artillery equipment equipped with the Krasnopol-M2 UAS capable of ensuring parity in hypothetical counter-battery "duels" with modern American self-propelled guns M109A5 / 6 PIM and M109A7, as well as field-towed howitzers M777 , armed with artillery units of the US Marine Corps?

Of course not. The essence of the problem lies in the fact that the ballistic qualities of the standard 152 mm rifled guns 2A33 and 2A79 of the Akatsiya and Msta-S self-propelled artillery systems, as well as the 2A65 Msta-B similar towed howitzer gun, provide firing range with guided projectiles "Krasnopol-M2" at a distance of no more than 20-26 km.

The lack of a GPS correction channel in the ANN architecture of the Krasnopol-M2 guided artillery shell ruled out the possibility of its use at a distance of more than 26 km, which forced the Tula KBP specialists to begin developing a promising version of this product


The relatively low flight range of Krasnopol-M2 is also due, firstly, to the presence of a “short-lived” bottom gas generator (accelerating engine) with a small mass of solid fuel charge; secondly, the absence of a GLONASS trajectory correction module integrated into the radio-electronic architecture of the inertial navigation system (INS) of the projectile and providing the implementation of more accurate and optimal flight paths for a more accurate exit to the battlefield area (activation area of ​​the semi-active laser homing head) at distances more than 30-35 km.

At the same time, the American UAS M982 Block IA-2 Excalibur equipped with GPS correction modules provides the M777A2 and M109A5 / 6 PIM / 7 self-propelled guns of the Paladin family with a range of about 55 km. As a result of this, over the past few years, Russian gunners have been in dire need of developing a more advanced and long-range modification of Krasnopol-M2, which has an additional satellite-based radio correction channel.

Tula Instrument Design Bureau Academician A. G. Shipunov reacted immediately. In an extremely short time, the latest modification of the guided artillery shell, Krasnopol-D, was developed. The product was equipped with the long-awaited GPS correction receiver, as well as a more high-performance digital computer that provides more efficient control of the inertial navigation system (ANN), because algorithms with additional “long-range” flight paths were loaded on its drive. As a result, when using MSTA-S self-propelled guns from standard 2A79 guns, the range of the Krasnopol-D shells increased by 65,4%, reaching 43 km. The indicator is quite decent. Nevertheless, the 55 km bar, implemented by the latest versions of the 155 mm American UAS M982 Excalibur, was never overcome.

An excellent help in eliminating this gap will be the beginning of large-scale production and delivery of advanced self-propelled artillery systems 2S35 "Coalition-SV" to the combat units of the missile forces and artillery of the Russian Federation. These self-propelled guns boast the presence of more advanced 152-mm 2A88 guns (52 caliber long) with significantly higher maximum crash pressure in the bore. Considering the fact that during the field tests the 2A88 gun provided the firing range with the latest active rockets of the order of 60–70 km, the estimated range of the UAE Krasnopol-D can be 55-60 km, which will temporarily allow for stable artillery parity duels with 155 mm NATO tools adapted for the use of Excaliburs.

Meanwhile, it’s still too early for Russian gunsmiths to relax, because overseas at various stages of implementation there are projects of a long-range long-range self-propelled gun from BAE Systems M1299 (a long-range version of the Paladin with an L58 gun), a promising 155-mm HVP projectile (Hyper Velocity Projectile ”), Which has an aerodynamic configuration“ bearing cone ”with minimal ballistic braking and a flight range of up to 100-120 km. Only the ambitious program of the scientific and production association “Fusion” is capable of opposing these projects, which consists in designing and preparing for serial advanced 152-mm and 203-mm artillery shells with “pulling” integrated rocket-direct-flow engines in the warhead.

The estimated range of these guided artillery shells (over 100 km) can be compared with the parameters of the concept of the promising air-reactive UAS “155-mm Solid Fuel RamJet”, the beginning of the development of which was announced by the headquarters of the Norwegian company “Nammo” several years earlier. Unfortunately, the specialists at Fusion in this field are even more dubious than their Norwegian colleagues.
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  1. Amateur 4 February 2020 06: 29 New
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    The absence of a GPS correction channel in the architecture of the ANN of the Krasnopol-M2 guided artillery shell
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    the latest modification of the guided artillery shell is Krasnopol-D. The product is equipped with the long-awaited correction GPS receiver

    Mr. Damantsev, tackling a new topic-guided projectiles for himself, revealed something: the Russian guided projectile will be controlled by the American GPS system. This could come to mind only either from ignorance of what GPS is and where it can take the Russian shell to, or (a lot of idioms and words that cannot be translated into other languages ​​to the author). fool
    1. Zaurbek 4 February 2020 07: 17 New
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      In fairness: the receivers for Glonnass go immediately with a GPS receiver
      1. Amateur 4 February 2020 08: 27 New
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        In fairness: the receivers for Glonnass go immediately with a GPS receiver

        You are going to put the phone in Krasnopol or car tracker?
        1. BARKAS 4 February 2020 09: 02 New
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          You are going to put the phone in Krasnopol or car tracker?

          I will not be surprised that it is so.
      2. cradle 4 February 2020 11: 22 New
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        and are called GNSS hi But these are civilians. The military is unlikely to use GPS at all, because there you can enter coarsening of coordinates, interference, or stupidly knock out. At what in the right zone. Therefore, our military equipment should not use this byaku, from the word NEVER.
    2. Nikolaevich I 4 February 2020 09: 14 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      Russian guided projectile will be controlled by the American GPS system.

      Here are the little shoes, I would like to protect Damantsev a bit! What is GPS? Global Positioning System! In fact, this is an abbreviation of common names! By and large ... and GLONASS, Galileo, Beidou - it's all GPS! Global positioning systems! But the Americans, by virtue of their natural arrogance, appropriated the common noun (abbreviation) and made it a "proper name" ... (although they had, at one time, NAVSTAR ...)!
      1. Amateur 4 February 2020 09: 29 New
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        This is an abbreviation for common names.

        "Money" is also a household name. But nobody confuses dollars with rubles.
        1. Nikolaevich I 4 February 2020 12: 46 New
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          Quote: Amateur
          "Money" is also a household name. But nobody confuses dollars with rubles.

          But why confuse “God's gift with fried eggs”! request
      2. cradle 4 February 2020 11: 23 New
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        I agree with this, but Damantsev needs to be more precise if he writes on this topic.
      3. Gogia 6 February 2020 17: 16 New
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        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Here are the little shoes, I would like to protect Damantsev a bit! What is GPS? Global Positioning System! In fact, this is an abbreviation of common names! By and large ... and GLONASS, Galileo, Beidou- it's all GPS! Global positioning systems!

        I agree completely, only an increase in range can be achieved by improving the aerodynamic characteristics - aerodynamic quality. If you use a smoothbore gun of high power, then you can shoot gliding ammunition with aerodynamic planes. Then the distance is 75 km. it will not be a problem from the word. And the question is in the studio: Is it possible, theoretically, to fire a rifled cannon with a sub-caliber projectile that would not have rotation as usual, or did not rotate so cool! Then one could make a planning munition.
        Or it would be possible to shoot a container with barrage of ammunition, which opens in the area of ​​the target and winding circles it amazes. Why not? Or warhead of some tornado outfit with a few barrage of ammunition. Why not?
        Then the duel will go according to other rules ...
        PS the main thing is to make videos on YouTube, where swarms of marauding micro shells hit the armada of Abrams and Bradley, coupled with challengers, cougars and mercans against the backdrop of Central Russian landscapes with birches and cornflowers. %)))
        1. Nikolaevich I 7 February 2020 02: 14 New
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          Quote: Gogia
          Is it possible, theoretically, to shoot a rifled cannon with a sub-caliber projectile that would not have rotation as usual, or that it did not rotate so cool!

          Yes, easily! Moreover, there is not one way, but more ...
          Quote: Gogia
          it would be possible to shoot a container with barrage of ammunition, which is revealed in the target area and winding circles it amazes.
          And this is possible ... In fact, there is already, for example, an UAV in the 155-mm artillery shell ... But the "essence" may rest on the feasibility: is it worth the candle? That's all! wink
    3. eklmn 4 February 2020 19: 33 New
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      “The Russian guided projectile will be controlled by the US GPS system.”
      Mr. Damantsev wanted to say that:
      1) in the place where the gun will fire, GLONASS will not work (territory of Canada or Mexico);
      or
      2) EW should not work when firing, so as not to drown out the GPS signal.
      1. Amateur 4 February 2020 19: 36 New
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        Is this a joke or are you serious? drinks
        1. eklmn 4 February 2020 19: 43 New
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          Of course a joke!
          Now I'm preparing a comment on HVP (HyperVelocity Projectile) - a very interesting thing! Look at the bottom of comments ...
          Or I can put it as an answer to your ...
          1. Amateur 4 February 2020 19: 44 New
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            As you prefer
            1. eklmn 4 February 2020 21: 26 New
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              HVP ("Hyper Velocity Projectile") - the "remainder" after the development of the e-gun. 155 mm hypersonic radio-controlled kinetic projectile. Developed by BAE Systems, dear, about $ 85k. for missile defense (ground-to-air) or $ 25 land-to-ground.
              https://breakingdefense.com/2018/01/86000-5600-mph-hyper-velocity-missile-defense/
              Departure speed from a 155mm howitzer is 9 thousand km / h, somewhere around 4M (?) 5M?
              From 5 inchey (127 mm) of the ship’s gun, the projectile flies at a speed of 3M and a range of 40 nautical miles.
              This projectile is great for missile defense - much cheaper than Patriot.
              “Compare this to the Patriot missiles, which require special launchers and cost about $ 3 million each. The Hypervelocity Gun Weapon System (which includes the HVP itself, plus a gun, fire control and radar) will not replace expensive, high-performance missiles, but it can provide an additional level of protection that is cheaper, more mobile and more difficult to destroy. ”
              “The use of howitzers and deck guns also gives the HVP a great tactical advantage. Destroyers can carry missile defense interceptors, but only in limited numbers, so the HVP will give them many more shots. The impact on the army is dramatic: howitzers - both the towed M777 and M198, and the self-propelled M109 - are much more mobile and significantly more numerous than Patriot or THAAD launchers. ”
              Another opinion is that flying at such a speed, 3M-4M, HVP will pierce the ship through and through with its kinetic energy and will not bring harm. And put a charge in it ....
              In short, the toy has speed / range, is controlled ....
              1. Garris199 5 February 2020 03: 31 New
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                9000 km / h is approximately 7.5 mach
            2. eklmn 5 February 2020 23: 45 New
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              And only today:
              “Raytheon has improved its Excalibur shell to hit moving targets.”
              https://www.defensenews.com/land/2020/02/05/raytheons-advanced-excalibur-hits-moving-targets-in-test/
              “Excalibur S proved that it can“ withstand shock and stress ”from a howitzer shot, then move from being able to point GPS to laser guidance and hit a moving target, the company said in a February 5 statement.”
              The “S” version has GPS and a semi-active laser finder to track mobile land and sea targets in “noisy” GPS conditions without losing range. Excalibur Increment B shells are used in the army and navy, which can be improved with S capabilities, the company said.
              “Excalibur is known to be an accurate weapon, usually hitting less than 2 meters from the target. Excalibur has been used over 1400 times in combat. The army fired a conventional prototype artillery system from a gun and hit the target at a distance of 62 km. ”
          2. Gogia 6 February 2020 17: 17 New
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            Quote: eklmn
            HVP (HyperVelocity Projectile)

            Well, Americans scum, they stole the idea from my brain ... wassat
  2. Zaurbek 4 February 2020 07: 14 New
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    Forgot to mention that in the west have already begun production of 127mm shells for the fleet. With GPS and laser guidance. But in general, the news is very important. I hope that we will pick up 220mm and 300mm for MLRS packages
    1. D16
      D16 4 February 2020 08: 48 New
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      Forgot to mention that in the west have already begun production of 127mm shells for the fleet. With GPS and laser guidance. But in general, the news is very important. I hope that we will pick up 220mm and 300mm for MLRS packages

      The author has read an advertisement. All this works well only if there is a UAV spotter above the enemy’s head. As soon as his position is covered by "Wasp", "Pine", "Carapace", "Thor", etc. the situation will change radically since no one will give Orlans the chance to host the sky, and they are not cheap. Satellite intelligence is not a panacea either. In addition, these megalobal shells with GPS at the end will also be intercepted by air defense while protecting important objects. Therefore, in such a competition with the Norwegian Americans, I do not see any point.
      1. Zaurbek 4 February 2020 08: 50 New
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        And if tsu will give sound or radar intelligence .... like a zoo? Will give clear battery coordinates.
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          D16 4 February 2020 08: 57 New
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          Then, in return shooting, she most likely will not be there. If the opponents are not fools. For self-propelled guns, moving away after a salvo of 300 meters and continuing fire raid is not a problem. They now recount their coordinates in a swoop.
          1. Zaurbek 4 February 2020 09: 06 New
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            If it were so simple .... without such PSUs, a good reaction time to shelling is 20 minutes. With such a shell 5 minutes. And intelligence determines to the accuracy of the guns. A battery fire is conducted with a certain number of shells per target (for each specific consumption), plus a range of 50 km and further will allow you to hit the explored fuel depots and BP and KP and equipment before deployment.
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              D16 4 February 2020 09: 38 New
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              With such a shell 5 minutes.

              In fact, in 5 minutes from the moment of the opening of the fire, the 2S19M2 battery in the “fire raid” mode will have time to overheat the trunks and go to other positions to cool them.
              plus a range of 50 km and beyond will already allow you to hit the explored fuel depots and BP and KP and equipment before deployment.

              In order to scout something in advance, it is necessary to make air defense. And this is problematic. Satellite intelligence is not operational and not always effective. Optical and ground-based radar reconnaissance equipment at over-the-horizon range do not work.
              1. Zaurbek 4 February 2020 09: 42 New
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                Air defense is not equally dense everywhere .. and on the front line and beyond. You can’t cover every dugout. And the same air defense is also determined by intelligence (radio engineering) and can be hit. For all this, there were Tochka-U complexes.
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                  D16 4 February 2020 09: 57 New
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                  You can’t cover every dugout.

                  There is no point in covering every dugout. It makes no sense to shell him.
                  And the same air defense is also determined by intelligence (radio engineering) and can be hit.
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                  the operation of the survey station is determined You can just cover it. The rest are mobile, are not included for long and are combined into a single system. How to identify each fighter with MANPADS or "Osu", "Tunguska" with an optical guidance station?
                  1. Zaurbek 4 February 2020 10: 00 New
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                    Of course it makes sense. Imagine the action of the army at the forefront to a depth of 50 km so many necessary and important objects that you just can’t cover .. Air defense is not enough. Warehouses, airfields, jumps, crossings, bridges, parking equipment, gas stations, etc. You’ll hit warehouses with shells and howitzers will not shoot for a long time. Break the supply ... too.
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                      D16 4 February 2020 10: 07 New
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                      You have listed such objects that will certainly be covered by military air defense. In addition, UAVs still need to be reached, and there are a lot of surprises along the way. The same torus battery will give you a roof within a radius of 10-15 km.
              2. Glory1974 4 February 2020 10: 07 New
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                Optical and radar ground-based reconnaissance equipment at over-the-horizon range do not work.

                For Americans, almost everything is tied to AWACS aircraft. He flies over his territory and shines through everything to a distance of 400-500 km.
                Therefore, we can hope that air defense will save from drones. But target designation will not cancel it.
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                  D16 4 February 2020 10: 11 New
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                  For such smart S-300V4 and created. Rise high knocked down, but from below you will not see anything. The earth, it is round and embossed. laughing
                  1. Glory1974 4 February 2020 10: 22 New
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                    It may be knocked down, but it will be in time to give target designation. Therefore, air defense cannot be guaranteed to protect.
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                      D16 4 February 2020 10: 42 New
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                      Therefore, air defense cannot be guaranteed to protect.

                      As well as aerial reconnaissance cannot be guaranteed to reconnoit, and a shell with GPS is guaranteed to hit. And the less partisan army confronts amers, the lower the probability. A legitimate question arises: Why measure with amer kilometers if this does not work in the event of a direct collision or a proxy collision?
                      1. V.I.P. 4 February 2020 13: 23 New
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                        Well, firstly, since 1945, ours and the Americans clashed in other countries and killed each other (officially or not). Weapons were supplied to these countries from both sides. and now the weapon is sold or given to someone and is at war. But at the latest tenders for various types of weapons, ours are losing because of non-competitive weapons. Vietnam bought Galil, not AK. Kazakhstan bought armored cars for South Africa, well, India generally buys them (Chinook, Poseidon, Apache, Rafal, Globmaster, towed M777, the tanker seems to be European, and they are someone else’s tankers and sau ... but they’re not ours) they don’t especially buy without VNEU ..... So, in theory, you need to have samples at least at the level of other countries to sell
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                        D16 4 February 2020 14: 26 New
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                        Vietnam bought Galil

                        Themselves evil Pinocchio. Flattered by the cheapness of the production line, weep at high production costs. Here the Indians, oddly enough, turned out to be smarter by purchasing the production of AK.
                        Kazakhstan purchased South African armored cars

                        They didn’t buy cars, but a production license. Obviously with the expectation that later they will be sold to neighbors. And to us including. What would be the chances of the Kazakhs to sell assembled under the Tiger license? laughing
                        India generally buys

                        These buy everything except recoilless guns laughing
                        Our submarines also do not particularly buy without VNEU

                        For our diesel-electric submarines, VNEU is not much needed. They will not hunt for enemy convoys in the ocean. And to develop it only for export is expensive and not the fact that it will turn out better than others. Therefore, some seem to pay, while others are developing. There will be a client ready to pay, and there will be a domestic VNEU. In general, with your money you need to develop what you need yourself. But if suddenly there is a rich Pinocchio, ready to pay for the development of something, as was the case with the Shell, for example, why not? laughing
                      3. V.I.P. 4 February 2020 17: 24 New
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                        So how many years did our VNEU and how much money wasted in vain. Not only that, they wanted to buy from the Germans, but they only agreed to sell with the boats ... So they still want money to continue the theme of our VNEU)))
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                        D16 4 February 2020 19: 32 New
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                        So how many years did our VNEU and how much money wasted in vain.

                        I would not say that it’s just so in vain. Some research was carried out, even the operating sample on the land stand was sort of built and tested. Money is given, it is not given. Until last summer, they worked on their own for more than a year. Then again they began to finance OCD. Now they promise to complete the tests by the mid-20s. If the VNEU were really needed by the fleet, and not by the potential export customers of Rubin and Malachite, they would have already experienced it.
                2. Glory1974 4 February 2020 14: 39 New
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                  A legitimate question arises: Why measure with amer kilometers,

                  152 mm - this weapon is at the disposal of the commander of the compound
                  during a clash, he will not be able to use it, because the enemy will gouge it from a greater distance.
                  2 Outputs:
                  1. Give him the same range weapons as the enemy.
                  2. Create a grouping of the forces and means of the senior boss and, again, give the commander connections.
                  In both cases, it eats both "+" and "-". But there is no doubt that you need to respond.
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                  D16 4 February 2020 14: 47 New
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                  because the enemy is gouging him from a greater distance.

                  To do this, you must at least know where to fuck. If the commander of the compound has anti-aircraft weapons and brains, then everything will be fine.
                4. Glory1974 4 February 2020 14: 52 New
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                  To do this, you must at least know where to fuck.

                  Gold words! But the commander of the compound has no reconnaissance means, to find out where they are beating.
                  If the commander of the connection has air defense

                  and there is no air defense system to destroy the AWACS aircraft.
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                  D16 4 February 2020 15: 12 New
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                  To begin with, the enemy should find out where to send fashionable 50 + km. shells. It would also be nice to know the results of the shooting.
                  and there is no air defense system to destroy the AWACS aircraft.

                  Naturally, he has neither air defense nor radio intelligence. He is fighting alone with the US Army, and not as part of a brigade or army. laughing
                  And to place the battery behind the reverse slope of the hill is what you need to be smart. laughing
                6. Glory1974 5 February 2020 08: 39 New
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                  Naturally, he has neither air defense nor radio intelligence.

                  so I write that it is necessary to create a grouping of forces and means, with which there is no means yet. request
                  To begin with, the enemy should find out where to send fashionable 50 + km. shells.

                  and the enemy already has such a group, with full-time forces and means laughing
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                  D16 5 February 2020 09: 30 New
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                  S-300V4 is designed to protect important objects and military groups. And why is he not? Is there a S-400 with a 40N6 missile? laughing Take the Kaliningrad region. If anything starts, then first of all there. And everything is there. Note that the earth is round and embossed. DLRO at a distance of 400 km. will at best give you a good map of the area. In order to find something, you have to come closer and rise higher. What this is fraught with in the A2 / AD zone you yourself guess.
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          We have a MLRS with a diverse range of ammunition, more than covering the range of NATO artillery.
      2. Inspector 4 February 2020 21: 44 New
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        Still believe in the magic button? Have you been banned in Google ???
      3. D16
        D16 4 February 2020 21: 54 New
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        Still believe in the magic button? Have you been banned in Google ???

        Why are you doing this?
      4. Inspector 4 February 2020 21: 55 New
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        The capabilities of nuclear weapons are very overrated. Infa in the network is enough.
      5. D16
        D16 4 February 2020 22: 17 New
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        The capabilities of nuclear weapons are very overrated. Infa in the network is enough.

        1. I have never mentioned a nuclear weapon in a topic.
        2. So they think of him those who do not have it, but cannot wait to test its effectiveness in their own skin. The key question here is the massive use of nuclear weapons, not to mention the strategic one. In the beginning, we conducted many tests, including on our own hp.
  • Garris199 5 February 2020 03: 34 New
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    It may be knocked down, but it will be in time to give target designation. Therefore, air defense cannot be guaranteed to protect.

    Who will donate the AWACS aircraft for a one-time MC for an art battery?
    1. Glory1974 5 February 2020 08: 33 New
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      Who will donate the AWACS aircraft for a one-time MC for an art battery?

      Naturally no one will sacrifice them. He will calmly fly at a distance of 400-500 km from the front to the entire rear and conduct reconnaissance. Who will bring him down?
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    D16 4 February 2020 10: 00 New
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    without such PSUs, a good reaction time to shelling is 20 minutes. With such a shell 5 minutes.

    The calculation is easier and faster to use conventional shells. "These" still need to be programmed. I do not think that this happens instantly.
    1. Zaurbek 4 February 2020 10: 02 New
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      When there is enough range, they will probably use it. And when not enough is already adjustable. Of course, the firefighter is wearing Redfield - Nonsense,
  • Sergey79 4 February 2020 10: 02 New
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    Good day. You are very wrong. The first one. Sound reconnaissance gives a big mistake in determining the coordinates of firing guns. The second one. There are systems that introduce an error in the ROP radar about 500 meters. The third. There is no time difference when firing with conventional HE shells and UAS. According to the article. Thanks to the author, but a lot of mistakes and, to put it mildly, dubious conclusions. "Orlan-10" is not able to highlight the target. This makes another UAV. The GPS receiver in the projectile is a dead end direction, because There are systems of artificial distortion of the navigation field. Well, the larger the firing range, the greater the preparation and dispersion errors. This is the issue of using ARSs.
    1. Zaurbek 4 February 2020 10: 05 New
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      There are inertial systems ... and the GOS on Western projectiles is complex - both a laser and inertia and a satellite. And it is impossible to introduce interference over all targets for artillery fire. Not enough money and energy.
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        You are mistaken again. The navigation field is distorted over a large area. The error is laid in all receivers.
        1. Zaurbek 4 February 2020 10: 26 New
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          And what do you do? It is distorted for everyone. Inertial and laser will work
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        D16 4 February 2020 10: 33 New
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        The GOS on Western shells is complex - both a laser and inertia and a satellite.

        And then we return to the issue of highlighting the target at a distance of 50 + km. smile
        1. Zaurbek 4 February 2020 10: 36 New
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          I can not imagine a continuous field of interference and distortion .... simultaneously covered by air defense. And besides, the Russian Federation and the USSR have been participating in local conflicts for the last 70 years without such trash.
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            D16 4 February 2020 10: 49 New
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            I can not imagine a continuous field of interference and distortion .... simultaneously covered by air defense.

            Air defense can definitely cost ANN.
            For the last 70 years, the Russian Federation and the USSR have been participating in local conflicts without such trash.

            It is foolish to spend so much money on anti-Barmalean weapons systems. You can do with cheaper means.
    2. Passing 4 February 2020 20: 10 New
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      The GPS receiver in the projectile is a dead end direction, because There are systems of artificial distortion of the navigation field.

      How did you decide that distortion is possible for the new military M-code? That is, a civil signal with a C / A code is distorted by everyone, the old military P-code requires civilian C / A data, so it may be vulnerable too, but the new M-code works on its own. Let me remind you that military signals are modulated by a cryptographic code, unlike civilian C / A.
  • Gogia 6 February 2020 17: 23 New
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    Satellite intelligence is not a panacea either. In addition, these megalobal shells with GPS at the end will also be intercepted by air defense while protecting important objects. Therefore, in such a competition with the Norwegian Americans, I do not see any point.

    And now imagine that the target is several Abrams tanks or an ACS battery - can each group be provided with air defense? And the cost of several tanks in any case will exceed the cost of 10 shots.
    The war is not even anyone who hit anyone, but primarily the economy! When he spent $ 100000, and knocked out the enemy equipment for $ 50000000 + insurance and payments to the families of the dead + the cost of treating the wounded ....
  • rocket757 4 February 2020 07: 24 New
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    Meanwhile, it’s still too early for Russian gunsmiths to relax, because overseas at various stages of implementation there are projects of a promising long-range self-propelled gun from BAE Systems M1299 (a long-range version of the Paladin with an L58 gun), a promising 155-mm HVP projectile (Hyper Velocity Projectile ”), Which has an aerodynamic configuration“ bearing cone ”with minimal ballistic braking and a flight range of up to 100-120 km.

    There is no limit to perfection"! The enemy has, maybe more advanced weapons will appear, it is necessary to have means of struggle with such weapons.
    The enemy is not weak, so we can’t be weak.
    The navel would not be torn ... you may have to look for an asymmetric answer, as it was already more than once before !!!
  • Podvodnik 4 February 2020 07: 40 New
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    Is such a duel possible in principle? They do not shoot high-precision shells over squares. Target designation is needed. The author mentioned the lighting by Orlan. But how can one get to a point target like self-propelled guns even without a GPS (Glonass) channel? No way. Where to get target designation? For a stationary object, you can use pre-known coordinates. And the UAV will be immediately shot down. This type of weapon will never be encountered in a duel. If the "barmaley" it miraculously appears, it will be ineffective and destroyed upon detection. By themselves, without the comprehensive support of reconnaissance and target designation, these types of shells are useless and ineffective.
    1. Glory1974 4 February 2020 14: 44 New
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      By themselves, without the comprehensive support of reconnaissance and target designation, these types of shells are useless and ineffective.

      Ordinary shells are equally ineffective. You can shoot at the company stronghold for 2 hours and not crush its defense.
      And you can shoot 12 shells in 2 minutes and hit all the company’s equipment. The difference is obvious.
      1. Podvodnik 4 February 2020 20: 27 New
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        You can shoot 12, but how much will it cost? They will fly off into the white light like a pretty penny. How to get into the technique? Not near, but in the technique! The article is about the maximum range of reach. How to find out the coordinates? At a distance of 30 km for example? They need accurate. Otherwise a miss. The problem is in the tactics of application: what tasks and what goals. Such shells without indicating coordinates or laser illumination are useless. The topic is the “artillery duel” of these systems. I can not imagine the tactical environment in which such a duel is possible. This is not to fight with the "barmaley" in the complete absence of "enemy" air defense. Then the UAV "in hand."
        1. Glory1974 5 February 2020 08: 49 New
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          Gaddafi’s army can not be called "barmaley", but they could not oppose the WTO. There are videos on the network, how equipment is destroyed, look. One shot - one car or weapon destroyed. The shooting and the control center were conducted, as I understand it, from drones. Gaddafi had “Wasps”, some other air defense systems, and they could not cope with the task.
          Aircraft AWACS quite cope with reconnaissance, UAVs carry TsU. Tactics worked out.
          Our UAVs are only being developed and put into service, there are practically no AWACS aircraft, those that have ground reconnaissance can be limited. There is no system for bringing reconnaissance to the units.
  • Vladimir_2U 4 February 2020 08: 14 New
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    Of course, the higher the range, the better, but I find it strange to read about art. duels (counter-battles. struggle) with the help of UAVs, does anyone allow the UAV to curl over a heavy artillery battery? It is doubtful, but for the RDG the receiver battery is not the highest priority, although I could be wrong.
  • Hermit21 4 February 2020 08: 30 New
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    Both in us and in the west, in ~ 90% of cases, artillery operates with unguided shells. Some advantage “Excalibur” in the range does not play a significant role. And in the complex, comparing Russian and American artillery is even somehow inconvenient, so as not to offend the amers.

    Meanwhile, it’s still too early for Russian gunsmiths to relax, because overseas at various stages of implementation there are projects of a promising long-range self-propelled gun from BAE Systems M1299 (a long-range version of the Paladin with an L58 gun), a promising 155-mm HVP projectile (Hyper Velocity Projectile ”), Which has an aerodynamic configuration“ bearing cone ”with minimal ballistic braking and a flight range of up to 100-120 km.


    XM1299 just caught up in range with the Koala in the current in appearance in range, and in rate of catastrophically inferior: 3-4 v / m versus 14-16. Yes, in 2023 they promise to increase the range to 100+ and establish AZ. Only now the rate of fire will increase only to 10 v / m, and this is the level of 2C19M, and in 2C35 it will grow, as well as the range.

    Very scary threats, yes
  • Cresta999 4 February 2020 08: 33 New
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    According to the first paragraph, I realized that the author is E. Damantsev! :)
  • Nikolaevich I 4 February 2020 08: 59 New
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    the presence of a "short-lived" bottom gas generator (accelerating engine) The bottom artillery projectile gas generator is in no way intended for the role of an “accelerating engine”! A very incorrect expression was used!
    In the development of the Russian defense industry there is a very interesting little thing-correction module, Dynamics, developed by Compass: it is “inserted” into both “old” and “new” artillery shells, “transforming” ordinary “free-falling” shells in the correctable ones ... KVO somewhere, approx. 10 m ... cost = $ 1000 ... It is not clear why they are still dumb in the army ... Usually, they "complain" about the "underdevelopment" of GLONASS and the lack of equipment GLONASS interfacing: The article mentions the development of the “Alloy” projectile with a forward ramjet ramjet ... but not all experts “approve” such a concept! that such development was suspended ... did not specify ... maybe a "fake".
    "Demonstrator" projectile with a nasal ramjet
  • shinobi 4 February 2020 09: 43 New
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    It will be very interesting to see how these GPS-corrected shells will work with the active operation of the electronic warfare. The star somehow showed a video about some tricky thing, but I didn’t look at first, unfortunately, capable of making such devices explode in the air short of the target.
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      The star somehow showed a video about some tricky thing, it wasn’t at first looking unfortunately, capable of causing such devices to explode in the air short of the target.

      The "devices" with non-contact radio fuses exploded ... a "special" radio scanner "worked."
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        So there they are, the Yankees. They're about 15 years old, how they rush about the idea of ​​a programmable demolition. No?
        1. Nikolaevich I 4 February 2020 16: 12 New
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          So there they are, the Yankees. They're about 15 years old, how they rush about the idea of ​​a programmable demolition. No?

          Actually, no ... There are non-contact fuses (IR-passive; radio-frequency, laser-active ...), and there are programmable fuses of remote (controlled) detonation ... Non-contact fuses are triggered by a physical signal received from the target (!) established "level". Programmable remote detonation fuses (LDPEs) fire according to the time, the value of which is set before the shot or, practically, at the time of the projectile's departure from the barrel (although the option of "setting the time value" with a delay ... on the flight path is not ruled out). PVDP, practically, are not subject to interference, after programming ... Non-contact fuse (NKV) is susceptible to interference ... Non-contact fuses can be mounted on cluster or fragmentation (high-explosive fragmentation) warheads for air blasting, such as: MLRS rockets, tactical guided missiles, aerial bombs ...
  • Blue fox 4 February 2020 10: 10 New
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    I hope that we also get 220mm and 300mm for MLRS packages

    What for? If the accuracy of the MLRS was not enough to destroy the area target, then this is already a question of the competence of the gunners. Otherwise, “pulnul” half a packet of “smart” missiles, and there weren’t enough missiles for the second half of a full salvo, for the “hundred million miles” flew to the enemy.
  • Strashila 4 February 2020 10: 18 New
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    Another competition, who pisses above.
    The fact that such shells are needed is a confirmed fact, using them in India and Syria.
    To find the target in the depths of the enemy’s defenses of 30-70 km, this is also able to.
    This raises the question of how to detect this.
    In fact, it’s important to know if the black cat is in the black room.
    Such batteries will be used for one hit, volley and move to change positions.
    While flying, until they determine the possible salvo of a shot. The answer is only by area.
    Considering the cost of the projectile that will be shot selectively, it spins to determine its possible targets and cover at least electronic warfare and put laser radiation detection sensors as a warning.
    If possible air defense systems, you can’t put them close to the front line either.
  • Sapsan136 4 February 2020 10: 30 New
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    In Moldova, the shells of Krasnopol-1 destroyed a tank column at a time ... The maximum range for firing this product was 31,5 km ...
  • Empire soldier 4 February 2020 11: 55 New
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    Get Zheku finally!
  • iouris 4 February 2020 12: 04 New
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    A duel makes sense in pricing. The Russian Armed Forces are not able to withstand NATO, not only in quality, but also in quantity. But nuclear weapons of the Russian Armed Forces are capable. Even delivery vehicles are not really needed. Need a will.
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    Interestingly, KBP ordered an article?
    Why long-range UAS, if there is MLRS?
  • Knell wardenheart 4 February 2020 15: 15 New
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    It seems to me that at such distances both in structure and in cost, the projectile is already beginning to come close to the rocket, and maybe there is a certain border there, which is more profitable to invest a little more and make a cheap ground or air based missile with a longer range than an expensive projectile tightly tied to unit artillery ..
    In short - perhaps this whole race for "100+" will not be worth the candle.
  • Stalllker 4 February 2020 16: 04 New
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    Not a shell, but half what it is)))
  • Svetlana 4 February 2020 16: 19 New
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    Question to the author: Russian gunsmiths are developing GPS or Glonass shell?
    Speaking about Russian shells, you mention both of these abbreviations.
  • pepel 4 February 2020 16: 20 New
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    In the event of a protracted conflict, all this miracle of engineering will be expended in a very short time, and everyone will return to the good old metal ceramics stuffed with TNT.
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      If there are human reserves.
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    The larger the caliber, the greater the firing range, it is a law of nature. So, Western tools in this sense have an a priori advantage. Another thing is that Russia is unlikely to have to fight with the owners of 155mm guns. In the foreseeable future, they will be used against weak opponents.
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    Solid article. Eugene, thanks good

    Yes, the prospects are beyond the "ramjets." I don’t want our lagging behind.





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    Quote: eklmn

    Departure speed from a 155mm howitzer is 9 thousand km / h, somewhere around 4M (?) 5M?

    ~ 7.5 mach.
  • Nail Yapparov 5 February 2020 19: 04 New
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    For long-range artillery, everything becomes too complicated, expensive. My opinion: it is easier and more efficient to improve reactive systems.