“Electricity is becoming a luxury item”: ordinary Germans comment on the situation in the electric power industry


In Germany, the situation in the electric power industry is becoming more complicated in connection with successive steps by the country's authorities to abandon the operation of nuclear power plants. Recall that Germany, in fact acting on the orders of Brussels, is engaged in the decommissioning of nuclear reactors - with the declared transition to "green" energy sources.


By 2030, Germany planned to close all existing nuclear power plants (today it is 6 power units). In total (again - today), nuclear power plants in Germany provide about 11% of the electricity demand.

Statements that nuclear power will remain overboard German generation, cause in Germany not only disputes, but also an increase in tariffs. So, today it became known that the majority of electricity suppliers to the German market (86 companies) announced the planned increase in tariffs by 8,1%, which is significantly higher than the inflation level. For Germany, such a price increase seemed unbelievable some time ago. And despite the fact that since January 1 of this year, more than 500 electricity suppliers have already raised prices by 5,4%.

The German publication Die Zeit writes that after such an increase, the average German family, consuming up to 4 thousand kWh per year, will pay 100 euros more at the end of the year. For German industry, higher prices will affect the cost of production, which will lead to a decrease in the competitiveness of German goods in the EU market.

Comments of ordinary Germans about the information about the sharp jump in electricity tariffs attract themselves. Here are a few comments published by the mentioned German edition.

Schmierfinkentribunal:

It cannot be. In 2004, Mr. Trittin from the All-Knowing Greens explained to us for a long time that the promotion of renewable energy sources would cost the average German family no more than a portion of ice cream per month. All evil capitalists!

Mats Gantner:

We will soon begin to get used to the darkness altogether.

NaDaSchauHer:

Before the increase, we paid 28,13 eurocents (19,58 rubles - approx. “VO”) per kWh. Now all kinds of intermediaries resell electricity. It is interesting to know how much they have from this. Today we are becoming European champions in household electricity tariffs. And electricity itself is becoming a luxury item.
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  1. Victor_B 2 February 2020 16: 22 New
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    But the electricity in the outlet is green, right!
    Only very expensive.
    The rich must cry too.
    1. Range 2 February 2020 16: 26 New
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      Yeah! Correct, but very expensive. The cost of such electricity is greater than the electricity itself can produce. This is such a green business called.
      1. Victor_B 2 February 2020 16: 27 New
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        Quote: Spectrum
        This is such a green business.

        Nothing personal!
        1. Shurik70 2 February 2020 18: 17 New
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          It seems to me that Russia will soon be accused of usurping a monopoly on the supply of not only gas but also electricity ... Evil Russians will vilely sell energy cheaper than anyone else ...
          am
          1. Victor_B 2 February 2020 18: 29 New
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            Quote: Shurik70
            Evil Russians will vilely sell energy cheaper than anyone else ...

            Then, as it were, further the Tribaltics will not work.
            For very far away. Losses along the road are too great.
            But when the Belarusian NPP starts working, then the Old Man will only sell electrons this way.
            1. Oyo Sarkazmi 2 February 2020 18: 47 New
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              Quote: Victor_B
              then Old Man will only sell electrons this way.

              Piece by piece !!! wassat
              1. Victor_B 2 February 2020 18: 48 New
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                Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
                Piece by piece !!!

                Offend the boss!
                Only large wholesale!
                92 pieces from each atom of uranium.
            2. Chigi 2 February 2020 19: 06 New
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              If Lukashenko continues in the same vein, he will have BIG problems with fuel.
              And with the launch of BelAES units too.
              In January 2020 they should have launched the 1st block - for some reason it didn’t work out request
              And so they prepared, such wonderful essays were written in December 2019 ...
            3. neri73-r 2 February 2020 22: 42 New
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              Quote: Victor_B
              Quote: Shurik70
              Evil Russians will vilely sell energy cheaper than anyone else ...

              Then, as it were, further the Tribaltics will not work.
              For very far away. Losses along the road are too great.
              But when the Belarusian NPP starts working, then the Old Man will only sell electrons this way.

              Old Man will soon sell only tomatoes from a personal garden. fellow
              1. Range 3 February 2020 00: 24 New
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                Potato sir. The potato. He brought Putin three bags of potatoes. But tomatoes are not his thing. It is not necessary to take bread from the Turks - tomatoes.
              2. Grandfather Crimea 3 February 2020 13: 53 New
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                Yeah and bananas grown on another bed and shrimp exclusively from their own pond))))))
            4. Simargl 3 February 2020 02: 53 New
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              Quote: Victor_B
              But when the Belarusian NPP starts working, then the Old Man will only sell electrons this way.
              Even funnier: he will not only sell electrons, but also utilize spent for a lot of money!
        2. maxim947 2 February 2020 18: 25 New
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          Therefore, the Germans understand (even they would not understand) that the only alternative to this is gas, our gas. Green energy will not pull the needs of industry, even poke the whole country with windmills and panels.
          Even better is to sell electricity to us, there is everything for this. But these are questions of national security of the countries of importers, not everyone will decide to be so dependent.
          1. sergey32 2 February 2020 21: 18 New
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            It is possible to re-preserve and complete the Kaliningrad NPP. And throw a helping hand to the Fritz in the form of a cable along the bottom of the sea.
      2. Victor_B 2 February 2020 16: 37 New
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        The cost of such electricity is greater than the electricity itself can produce.

        At one time, I got into operation (transferred along with the radio center) a wind turbine with a capacity of as much as 4 kW.
        The authorities asked how much is a kilowatt hour.
        Counted. It turned out SIXTEEN cents. And this is without the cost of batteries and a gas unit, without which, well, nothing.
        Whereas from the outlet it cost 3 kopecks.
        1. Simargl 3 February 2020 02: 55 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          Counted. It turned out SIXTEEN cents. And this is without the cost of batteries and a gas unit, without which, well, nothing.
          And the staff? What about depreciation? There, to gain little by little - once in 20 more runs ... with continuous use ...
          1. vadimtt 3 February 2020 06: 10 New
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            And also, with far non-zero probability, it can “irretrievably break” long before the “payback” laughing
      3. Barmaleyka 2 February 2020 18: 25 New
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        Quote: Spectrum
        Yeah! Correct, but very expensive.

        the funniest thing is not quite right
      4. spectr 3 February 2020 14: 47 New
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        Well, from a business perspective, that's right. Prerequisites are needed for green energy to become competitive. Cheaper it did not work. So we went the other way. Conducted activities to increase the cost of current sources of electricity. True, how it ends is incomprehensible. Either they will pull green energy in Europe to a new level, or they will derail the economy of Germany / the European Union.
    2. Finches 2 February 2020 16: 27 New
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      For example, I look at Greta Thunberg and only a quote from the wonderful comedy "The Diamond Arm" comes to my mind - If a person is an idiot, then this is for a long time! So with the abandonment of nuclear power plants ... However, there are pluses for Russia ... Perhaps not for the whole of Russia, but for Miller and Co., no doubt! laughing
      1. Victor_B 2 February 2020 16: 33 New
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        Quote: Finches
        For example, I look at Greta Thunberg and only a quote comes to my mind

        Greta is a typical information puppet on someone else's experienced hand.
        1. Finches 2 February 2020 16: 34 New
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          Not - here is a real clinic from birth and from a mother with a folder! laughing
          1. Victor_B 2 February 2020 16: 42 New
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            Quote: Finches
            Not - here is a real clinic from birth and from a mother with a folder!

            So it is generally nobody, even its adherents do not deny.
            The girl has a psychiatric diagnosis.
            But this only strengthens (or rather OBLIGATES not to mention the diagnosis) attention to her speeches.
            In Russia, these were called blessed.
            1. karabass 2 February 2020 17: 08 New
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              Your untruth! this girl made herself. few could achieve this in our sinful world! Just a little more and she will write her name in the story!
              1. Victor_B 2 February 2020 17: 10 New
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                Quote: karabass
                Just a little more and she will write her name in the story!

                Not she will write, and her name will be entered by those who dance her. If the need for it does not end suddenly.
                1. karabass 2 February 2020 17: 11 New
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                  They thought so about Lenin when they couldn’t buy, they thought, but it was too late
                  1. mirexes 4 February 2020 12: 39 New
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                    You are apparently standing at the same evolutionary stage with Greta
              2. Finches 2 February 2020 17: 12 New
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                While her name needs to be entered in the diagnosis of the psychiatrist ... laughing And the sooner the better - still feel sorry for the child!
                1. karabass 2 February 2020 17: 15 New
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                  Ha! But what if we witness the birth of a new religion? Or even a new world order? Personally, I would give a lot to meet her!
                  1. Finches 2 February 2020 17: 21 New
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                    Go to any hospital - there are Gret, there, unfortunately, not a few! But, unlike her, they are treated! And here, for some reason, delirium of a minor insane is being planted on an industrial scale, and then Victor’s colleague is right - that means someone needs it! That is, it can be assumed that some corporations are lobbying her nonsense in the fight against other corporations! Killing, by the way, in your adult games the soul of a child! She needs to play with dolls, not save the world!
                    1. orionvitt 2 February 2020 23: 23 New
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                      Quote: Finches
                      And here, for some reason, the nonsense of a minor insane is planted on an industrial scale, which means someone needs it!

                      I agree. But tell this to adherents of different greens, not necessarily paper. Have you ever seen the appearance of this new "prophet" from ecology? You need to look not at her, but at those adult uncles in front of whom she speaks. Many of them are Nobel laureates (although in our time, this is no longer an achievement), many serious politicians, businessmen and everyone listen with a smart look (some smile, but are silent). They know that if something is blinking in the wrong answer, they will quickly say goodbye to their regalia, science, business and politics. The question is, who is such a behind-the-scenes and powerful, even if he exposes a frankly sick girl speaking frank nonsense as a “prophet” and no one dares to contradict her? Now the "realists" will come running and claim that there is no conspiracy theory. Everything is open and honest, Greta did herself and “says business.”
                  2. Barmaleyka 2 February 2020 18: 31 New
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                    Quote: karabass
                    Personally, I would give a lot to meet her!

                    write where you live, throw off the address of the nearest fool you will see a lot of different gretches, believe me the difference
                  3. tarakan 2 February 2020 22: 42 New
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                    Have you got Karabas in your Internet ward?
                2. Reptiloid 2 February 2020 19: 05 New
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                  While her name needs to be entered in the diagnosis of the psychiatrist ... laughing And the sooner the better - still feel sorry for the child!
                  this child needs to be treated, educated, taught, then it can be realized that childhood was not stolen from her, but from completely different children.
              3. Vasyan1971 2 February 2020 17: 17 New
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                Your untruth! this girl made herself.

                It was made by mom and dad. In all senses.
              4. Russian Bear_2 2 February 2020 17: 47 New
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                Yeah, he writes so that others will pour tears of fuel.
              5. Shkworen 2 February 2020 18: 24 New
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                she’s going to register her name as a trademark, it’s quite a story :)
              6. Chigi 2 February 2020 19: 13 New
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                A little more and she plunges into history.
                1. Reptiloid 3 February 2020 12: 34 New
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                  Quote: Chigi
                  A little more and she plunges into history.
                  how long can a sick person hang out playing a role? One way or another, the limit will come ... how? The sect of admirers will continue.
              7. tarakan 2 February 2020 22: 40 New
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                In the history of psychiatry, GREETENISM
              8. Lekz 2 February 2020 22: 58 New
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                And they’ll call that disease Tumbergis. Unpleasant, but in history.
              9. Stalllker 3 February 2020 03: 28 New
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                When you do yourself, it's completely different. laughing
            2. Egor53 2 February 2020 17: 21 New
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              No need to direct blissful slander. Such as Greta Tumberg in Russia is called not blissful, but π-healthy - wise.
              1. Chigi 2 February 2020 19: 15 New
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                Such as she was in Russia, and in Europe such inquisition was in charge.
          2. Reptiloid 2 February 2020 19: 00 New
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            Quote: Finches
            Not - here is a real clinic from birth and from a mother with a folder! laughing

            And this clinic, this diagnosis dictates the rules and teaches all countries. negative Does she even know that vegetables and cereals must also be cooked, that food does not grow in supermarkets? am Yes, and pets now also need electricity
        2. BARKAS 2 February 2020 16: 44 New
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          Greta is a typical information puppet on someone else's experienced hand.

          There is already a clean business beginning. Greta patented her name soon toys will be made of plastic.
          1. Victor_B 2 February 2020 16: 49 New
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            Quote: BARKAS
            toys will soon be made of plastic.

            Her image for her opponents in "specific" toys.
            Licensed! Under the brand. Under copyright!
            So what? Money doesn't smell!
        3. Barmaleyka 2 February 2020 18: 30 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          typical information puppet on someone else's experienced hand.

          but-and-and-and-so-and-she is by nature
          1. Chigi 2 February 2020 19: 20 New
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            She will become a rich idiot
      2. Starover_Z 2 February 2020 16: 35 New
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        Quote: Finches
        However, for Russia there are pluses ...

        So it is necessary to build more nuclear power plants in the European part of Russia, and not only to sell electricity to Europe! "They will not take - turn off the gas!"
        1. Finches 2 February 2020 16: 38 New
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          Why not! Only you need to approach the construction competently and technically competently!
        2. NEXUS 2 February 2020 16: 47 New
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          Quote: Starover_Z
          So it is necessary to build more nuclear power plants in the European part of Russia, and not only to sell electricity to Europe! "They will not take - turn off the gas!"

          Well, the nuclear power plant is certainly good ... I recall Fukushima immediately. But at the beginning of the last century, without technology, billions of dollars, Filipov found a way to extract and transfer energy to any distance. Moreover, almost free.
          By the way, I recall Tesla ..
          Here is one of his creations ...

          Nothing like no?
          And so ..

          This is a photo from an industrial exhibition of the beginning of the last century. And apparently they were exhibited at the church. laughing

          I repeat, this is a photo from an INDUSTRIAL exhibition, not a religious one. There is something to ponder.
          1. Finches 2 February 2020 17: 17 New
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            You're right! But, unfortunately, traders and hucksters are now popular in Russia, and not talented inventors, innovators, engineers from God! If you ask any boy who he wants to become - Gref or Filipov, then he will not hesitate to tell you that Gref, and who Filipov is, he has no idea!
            1. NEXUS 2 February 2020 17: 20 New
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              Quote: Finches
              You're right!

              The fact is that people are so brainwashed with a new story and dogma that someone invented for us that they don’t want to look beyond their nose ... tell an educated person now that churches 150-250 years ago were not churches, and they will laugh at energy-collecting machines. They will say that this is all heresy. However, industrial exhibitions suggest otherwise.

              Moreover, in the churches, such as Orthodox, then crescent, then crosses, then something else incomprehensible ...
              1. Finches 2 February 2020 17: 22 New
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                Nothing personal is a business! laughing
              2. your1970 2 February 2020 17: 49 New
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                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: Finches
                You're right!

                The fact is that people are so brainwashed with a new story and dogma that someone invented for us that they don’t want to look beyond their nose ... tell an educated person now that churches 150-250 years ago were not churches, and they’ll laugh at machines collecting energy. They will say that this is all heresy. Ko]
                Moreover, in the churches, such as Orthodox, then crescent, then crosses, then something else incomprehensible ...

                And what did they do with her ??? salt for the winter? There were no consumers ....
                You still remember about granite baths / balls ....
                1. NEXUS 2 February 2020 20: 35 New
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                  Quote: your1970
                  You still remember about granite baths / balls ....

                  Why not? Are our educated clever people able to repeat it now?
                  1. your1970 2 February 2020 21: 53 New
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                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Why not? Are our educated clever people able to repeat it now?

                    Are you able to cut the reinforcement with 10 ordinary threads? Without tools? And I saw this ... and this is quite simple and absolutely not expensive ...

                    And balls / baths - it's quite simple - for ten or two years you flog at the stables of men, feed puppies with breast milk of nurses, turn up skirts to everyone, tread crops ... you just sell the boring to neighbors (by inclination and interests) .... Well not people, just things that are said ..... however, those who speak strongly can cut their tongue ...

                    And then, out of boredom, you demand that you make a ball or bath. If you didn’t do it, then you are publicly stomping to death in the square. And believe me, they’ll make a ball for you .... well, or they will let a red rooster ... such an option also took place ...

                    Approximately by a similar technique, I myself studied UG and CS CA.
                    3 km in the OZK for the start-hour for reading - 3 km in the OZK-hour for reading - set-off - 3 km in the OZK-hour for reading - set-off - 3 km in the OZK - hour for reading - set-off - 3 km in the OZK - hour for reading, set-off, 3 km in OZK-hour for reading, set-off, 3 km in OZK ....
                    I on the third round realized what I needed URGENT (!!!!) teach, otherwise you can die ...
                    By 05:45 (the last time it was necessary for everyone to be in the barracks), our Uzbeks didn’t read Russian very well - they told all the necessary articles from any place in any direction (at least backwards!) ...
                    the second night (using the same technology !!) enriched me with the knowledge of all the seals and impressions on the posts
                    30 years have passed - and I still remember the article almost literally ....
                    1. NEXUS 2 February 2020 23: 42 New
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                      Quote: your1970
                      And balls / baths - it's quite simple - for ten or two years you flog at the stables of men, feed puppies with breast milk of nurses, turn up skirts to everyone, tread crops ... you just sell the boring to neighbors (by inclination and interests) .... Well not people, just things that are said ..... however, those who speak strongly can cut their tongue ...

                      It’s hard to come up with a bigger heresy ... you’ll tell the peasants ... tell me a simple question: how did the Thunder-stone weighing 2000 tons appear in the center of Peter? Did the men drag along the swamps? Then where is the road? Moreover, even in official history it is said that the road was built ... and where is it, dear?
                      I don’t give a damn about minuses ... I’ve been studying history for too long and can understand the whole scale of falsifications in it. But for you, then, with your higher one, even on the forehead.
                      1. Liam 2 February 2020 23: 48 New
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                        Quote: NEXUS
                        I’ve been studying history for too long and can understand the full extent of falsifications in it

                        At which department do you study and where can you read your scientific refutation?
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                        Quote: Liam
                        At which department do you study and where can you read your scientific refutation?

                        I am not a doctor of historical sciences and works, I do not write ... but for a very long time (about 30 years) I study history. hi
                      3. Liam 3 February 2020 00: 41 New
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                        Clear.I'm not a magician, I'm just learning....
                        Judging by the posts, the main source of your knowledge in the field of history is RenTV and other similar Internet-based washes.
                      4. NEXUS 3 February 2020 00: 47 New
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                        Quote: Liam
                        Clear.I'm not a magician, I'm just learning....
                        Judging by the posts, the main source of your knowledge in the field of history is RenTV and other similar Internet-based washes.

                        No, no .. the sources are different. But you, a cultured and digitized person, apparently just read Miller and Bayre ... well, the flag is in your hands.
                      5. Far East 3 February 2020 10: 19 New
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                        You see Ren TV in high esteem! Well, there they show this, so shocks it! then go to any (church) parish. than not Ren TV.
                2. your1970 3 February 2020 10: 09 New
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                  Quote: NEXUS
                  how did the Thunder-stone weighing 2000 tons appear in the center of Peter? Did the men drag along the swamps? Then where is the road?

                  Once I participated in the transfer of an iron pipe ...... ...... 300 meters long ...
                  They cut off the heating main and left ...
                  And our battery urgently needed poles on the fence of the post ... but there was nothing to cut, there was no carbide.
                  And we brought it all to the unit. The battalion commander drove all the available cash to 160 people and forward, for the Motherland ...
                  They carried the truth for 4 hours - on a military camp. It was difficult to synchronize the steps, before starting to turn and the back drifted ...
                  But technically nothing complicated - at the same time they took, lifted and carried

                  And about the big doors ... under Stalin ALSO as in the 19th century, the giants rode? or just FASHION was that ???
                  It struck the head of some kind of architectural Yudashkin in the 19th century- "And I’ll bubble the door higher for the king !!!! At the same time, I’ll steal more !!!"
                  And the boyars / princes / merchants "Oh, the king of the door made 5 meters each !! So we also need to do no lower !!!" ...
                  And away we go ....

                  The phenomenon of the "600th Mercedes" (c) is personally mine ...
                  The usual show off ....
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                  Quote: your1970
                  Once I participated in the transfer of an iron pipe ...... ...... 300 meters long ...

                  Do you understand the difference between digging out a stone of 2000 tons from the swamp, then dragging it to the pier, where it was loaded onto the ship, and then delivered to St. Petersburg and dragging a 300-meter pipe? Or are you all the same?
                  Quote: your1970
                  And about the big doors ... under Stalin, too, as in the 19th century, did the giants live? Or was it just FASHION ???

                  When you show the person obvious things, and he does not believe, then it is useless to say anything to him, from the word at all. Skeletons of giants are found all over the world by the way, and these are not fairy tales. At the same time, you never wondered - now we have tigers, elephants, rhinos, lizards, etc., which in ancient times were much larger than modern counterparts. So why don’t you even think that the same thing could be and regarding a person? Or is everything at all stiff with you?
                  Quote: your1970
                  It struck the head of some kind of architectural Yudashkin in the 19th century- "And I’ll bubble the door higher for the king !!!! At the same time, I’ll steal more !!!"

                  Well, yes ... knocked. And the swords with guns were made not at all the size of a man. Also, the ancient Yudashkin is to blame .. huh. There was such a king of Prussia, Frederick Welhelm ... and so he had giants in the army and this is a historically proven fact.

                  Also apparently the artist’s fantasies ... yeah. There is such a rifle, called in common people a reptile ...

                  It is said that this gun was used in hunting ducks. But this is complete nonsense, since there is no practicality in such weapons. I'm not talking about how it is "transportable." But if you sweep away the dogma that you’ve gotten into your head and suppose that this gun was made to fit the height of a real person (not an ordinary one), then everything immediately becomes understandable.


                  Quote: your1970
                  And the boyars / princes / merchants "Oh, the king of the door made 5 meters each !! So we also need to do no lower !!!" ...

                  That is, you say that we know how to count money, but no boyars in antiquity? People, building houses now, do not embed 5 meter entrance doors to houses, because it is not practical and pointless, dear.
                4. your1970 3 February 2020 15: 30 New
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                  Quote: NEXUS
                  dig a stone of 2000 tons from the swamp,

                  What is the difficulty ????
                  What is the problem for the king to drive not 160 SA soldiers, but for example 10? Or 000?
                  Is the weight big? And what?
                  Father in the workshop pulled the press 10 tons of small. Pipes, hand winch, the problem was, so as not to disperse. We rolled three.
                  Fresh examples global excavations MANUALLY full-Belomorsk-Baltic Canal or the entire defense of the USSR WWII (also everything manually in Moscow, for example, was dug). Do these volumes do not bother you ????

                  Quote: NEXUS
                  There is such a rifle, called in common people a reptile ...
                  -
                  There is an absolutely real thing. I wanted to have an analogue in Kalmykia on the lakes. There was one problem - smoky gunpowder. One shot, 5-10 ducks, and the floor of the lake in smoke .... I’m sorry Sinop with Chemulpo ...
                  In the United States, pigeon flights were flocks of up to a million heads — quite suitable for slaughtering a gun.

                  What else? Doors ??
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  People, building houses now, do not embed 5 meter entrance doors to houses, because it is not practical and pointless, dear.

                  That is, you are now claiming that you didn’t do such doors in the USSR because it’s “impractical and pointless” ??? Won ..........
                  And Stalin is so apparently impractical was that in all (!!!!!!!!!!!!) buildings (including metro stations) during his reign claimed doors of 4 meters ...
                  Or were there giants in the USSR at that time ????
                  Moreover, such high doors were made even in 60-70. For example, in our former district committee, such ...
                  Z.Y. had a higher opinion
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                  Quote: your1970
                  Is the weight big? And what?

                  Yes, no, you ... 2000 tons is the same trifles. But your father moved 10 tons.
                  Once again I am convinced that you are not attentive. Cobblestone under the monument to Peter, according to official history, dug out of the swamp. And his bottom was not perfectly flat, that is, a stupidly round stone. I’m not saying that in those days there were no cranes of such carrying capacity, however, as now. But oh well ... Officials say that they dragged this stone in the winter, because only at that time the soil under this stone did not sink very much. this was made an even road. Since any pothole, a hill, etc., made the task of moving such an uneven colossus an order of magnitude heavier. And now the question is, Where is this road? I’ll say more, where is the place where this stone was picked from? And finally, where is the pier from which this stone was loaded onto the barge? You do not understand the scale of this enterprise at all, giving ridiculous examples as a counterargument.
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                  There is an absolutely real thing. I wanted to have an analogue in Kalmykia on the lakes. There was one problem - smoky gunpowder. One shot, 5-10 ducks, and the floor of the lake in smoke .... I’m sorry Sinop with Chemulpo ...

                  I repeat, you could even pick your nose with this duckweed, but there is no logic and practicality in such weapons, if you do not think about the fact that it was made to match the growth of a giant who used such weapons.
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                  And Stalin was so apparently impractical that in all (!!!!!!!!!!!!)

                  And what about Stalin, dear? There are buildings all over the world that are clearly not under our growth. Architecture is not so easy to die out, such as historical events from books, therefore I give examples of architecture. Below I answered you with a video clip. Maybe you will understand something ... though ...
                6. Crimean partisan 1974 3 February 2020 19: 15 New
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                  According to official history, a cobblestone under the monument to Peter was dug out of the swamp ............ Mlyn, Nexus, stop nonsense. a sample in this dump of granite of 3000-5000 tons, the Vorontsov Palace itself was built from this granite, and there is no granite around it, there is only limestone. those are the tasks. understand how these blocks got there. Well, if you do not solve the problem, I will tell you how
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                  Mlyn, Nexus, stop nonsense., Here's a picture of "Big Trash"

                  Mlyn, partisans, fasten raw tomatoes for the night. For people like you, I repeat the questions 100500- times
                  Where did the Thunder-stone dug up? Where is the road along which it was dragged? (Roman roads are thousands of years old and they have not disappeared, unlike the road that is only 300 years old.) Where is the pier from which this cobblestone was loaded onto a ship?
                  And now tell us how the blocks were dragged, according to your words of 3000 tons at that time. It is very interesting to listen.
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                  Now tell me how the blocks were dragged, according to your words of 3000 tons .... the quarries were in canyons between 2 and 3 mountain ranges of the Crimean mountains, this is about 300 km from the trash, or rather from the Palace, so by way of winches, round logs and ratsuhi . (ingenuity was called in those days), and the most important thing that facilitated ingenuity was paid by Vorontsov, a serf-laborer pure silver (their names are driven in stone), by the way, the Swallow’s Nest and the Livadia Palace are from this story, so there aren’t any miracles .
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                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  Now tell me how the blocks were dragged, according to your words of 3000 tons .... the quarries were in canyons between 2 and 3 mountain ranges of the Crimean mountains, this is about 300 km from the trash, or rather from the Palace, so by way of winches, round logs and ratsuhi . (ingenuity was called in those days), and the most important thing that facilitated ingenuity was paid by Vorontsov, a serf-laborer pure silver (their names are driven in stone), by the way, the Swallow’s Nest and the Livadia Palace are from this story, so there aren’t any miracles .

                  It is clear ... you can continue to tell this heresy in the form of fairy tales to your children. Regarding the Thunder Stone, I never heard a clear answer from you or from Svoy1970. Sit the bubbles up. All the best. hi
                10. Crimean partisan 1974 3 February 2020 20: 10 New
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                  you can continue to tell this heresy in the form of fairy tales to your children ..... why then are you carrying your heresy on the air ???? mine is at least documented and has confirmation, but yours doesn’t ????
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                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  why then bring your heresy on the air ???? mine is at least documented and has confirmation, but yours doesn’t ????

                  Who is documented? Uncle the watchman or grandmother of Dunya? I told you, Partizan, that there is documentation for the transportation of Thunder-stone, and it is freely available, only the price is a penny on a market day. You still have not answered my questions ... you just sit and your fingers are bending here.
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                  you sit only fingers are bending here ....... what to drive, come see for yourself, there my friend came from Komsomolsk. he liked it, although before the story the guy was meticulous, and so, you’re a stone, but how did Tsar Peter pull ships from the lake to the sea ???? also by a miracle from heaven? , but also by itself. winches, round timber and serfs for a fee
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                  You’re a stone, a stone, but how did Tsar Peter pull the ships from the lake to the sea ???

                  According to the documentation, a ROAD for transportation and PIRS was built ... where is it ?! Ale, why don’t you hear questions, partisans? Or am I writing in Chinese ?!
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                  According to the documentation, a ROAD was built for transportation and PIRS ... where is it? !! ............. I watched the film, but in the case, well, a lot of things have not been preserved since then, especially since there was no concrete , So. planks. logs and hemp cables, we have the Germans in the war, too, they tried to make a bridge to the Kuban, like they did. the works were titanic, but everything was carried away by the course of the strait, and there were only embankments on the coast, and we still have the old Dzhankoi road - Karasu Bazaar (Belogorsk, paved with boulders. It’s under a meter-thick layer of sediment, and it’s still not visible
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    2000 tons are the same little things
    - once again ... it was possible to drive away unlimited the number of people ... this is not a trifle, but it is not so global a thing as to be impossible.
    Here is a modern example:
    “In the spring of 1942, the construction of fortifications in Leningrad and its environs resumed, and by the winter of 1942/43 the city had 110 defense nodes. Leningraders manually dug 700 km of anti-tank ditches, created more than 300 km of forest debris, built 5 thousand bunkers, 4 thousand bunkers, completed 17 thousand embrasures in stone buildings, built 25 km of barricades (see: Karasev A.V. Leningraders during the blockade ... P. 124). In general, residents of Leningrad spent about 20 million man-days for the construction of defensive structures. "

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    but logic and practicality there aren’t such weapons
    -if there isn’t in your mind - call me ... but that doesn’t mean anything ....
    end 19 - beginning 20. Giants already dead, but the guns ...
    "The largest arms manufacturer in pre-revolutionary Izhevsk was considered Petrov Ivan Fedorovich.
    The first Russian (and not imported) dummy was made by Izhevsk master Ivan Fedorovich Petrov. It was a shotgun 1,26 m long (i.e. quite short) and weighing no more than 7 kg. Petrov’s company manufactured a number of refiners of various calibers - from the 6th to the 12th. It was a good refiner expensive - a few horses. Nevertheless, she quickly paid for herself - with one shot, up to 50 ducks could be shot. In addition to the Petrov factory, refineries were made by the factories of Evdokimov (Izhevsk) and the Tula arms factory. "

    and then even more suddenly - already absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, the giants died:
    “The last shotguns, similar to the refineries of the past, were made in the Russian Federation at the Tula plant (TOZ-123 of the 4th caliber) and at TsNIITochmash in Klimovsk (the pump-action Selezen-4 of the 4th caliber). Both“ guns ”had a receiver store on three rounds and weighed about 4,5 kg. "
    These two offices are from boredom made such guns - God forbid - "impractical and not logical"

    Quote: NEXUS
    And Stalin was so apparently impractical that in all (!!!!!!!!!!!!)
    And here Stalin, dear? All over the world there are buildings that are clearly not under our growth. Architecture is not so easy to die out, such as historical events from books, therefore I give examples of architecture.

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    People, building houses now, do not (!!!) embed 5 (!!!!) meter entrance (!!!!) doors to houses, because it is not practical (!!!!) and pointless (!!!) ,respected.






    Stalin, and then Khrushchev, and then Brezhnev, it turns out they had nothing to do with THESE doors ???

    Z.Y. until now I considered you to be a completely normal and adequate opponent .... alas ...
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    Z.Y. until now I considered you to be a completely normal and adequate opponent .... alas ...

    Me too ... alas 2 times. Good luck. hi
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    You were embarrassed to answer, for which GIANTS the doors in the building of the Central Committee of the CPSU made 3 meter ......
    And in the MFA, at least 4 .......

    All the best, believe in the delirium of rioting more .....
    I thought in VO sectarians are not found, like all adequate serious people ..... but no ........
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    Quote: your1970
    And about the big doors ... under Stalin, too, as in the 19th century, did the giants live? Or was it just FASHION ???

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    Zaminusuyut ... Do not bother to explain the inexplicable, most people reject it all: "This can not be, because it can never be!" - That's their main argument)))) Even seeing, for example, the ancient cuts in granite with a circular saw, having felt them, they state the same thing: “It cannot be!”. Like, they cut granite with a rope, they pick it with a stick, then, behold ... But so far no one has been able to repeat)))) Funny, although they consider themselves smart, and you (and me) are not very smart.
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    And what did they do with her ??? salt for the winter? There were no consumers ....

    Oooh, you don’t read books at all? Fantasy? All divine essences fed on this energy! laughing
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    and who is Filipov he has no idea!

    And who is Filipov? Except for the FilipPov artists, no one comes to mind.
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    Inventing is only half the battle! It is still necessary to produce and sell!
  • Uve bjørnsson 2 February 2020 23: 49 New
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    NEXUS,

    Yes, N. Tesla with his tower in Wordencliffe made a noise.
    However, J.P. Morgan, for whose pennies the Great Scientist introduced his designs, pondered, it smells like kerosene, what a loot it would go by if everyone had access to energy for free and without any wires, and instantly closed the crane with financing, simultaneously organizing dirty media campaign against Scientist.
    So Kohl died, forgotten by everyone, but at least not by a homeless person, although he had good savings.
    The most offensive is that now rogue traders use His name in vain, without showing anything new to the world.
    Yes, yes, we are talking about Teslamobiles and other hybrids, which is Archaism in essence, but in a beautiful wrapper
    Passing, if not in the subject, at least do not expose your nonsense
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      Quote: Uve Bjørnsson
      NEXUS,

      Yes, N. Tesla with his tower in Wordencliffe made a noise.
      However, J.P. Morgan, for whose pennies the Great Scientist introduced his designs, pondered, it smells like kerosene, what a loot it would go by if everyone had access to energy for free and without any wires, and instantly closed the crane with financing, simultaneously organizing dirty media campaign against Scientist.
      So Kohl died, forgotten by everyone, but at least not by a homeless person, although he had good savings.
      The most annoying thing is that now the name in vain is used by rogue traders without showing the world Nothing new.
      Yes, yes, we are talking about Teslamobiles and other hybrids, which is Archaism in essence, but in a beautiful wrapper
      Passing, if not in the subject, at least do not expose your nonsense

      When a person was told at school for 10 years, and after 6 years at the institute, that this cannot be, because it cannot be at all, then at least poke such a person in the lies of modern history, he will repeat that this is not and is not maybe. The same story with chemistry, physics, etc. ... and for me, an alternative story is much more honest.
      Here's an example ... have you heard of ruinist artists? They painted pictures of what they see in the center of Moscow, all covered with bushes and weeds, they also painted with sediments in the 17th century, but they are called by dreamers.
      The question never crossed the mind, but why in many old buildings the doors are more human in height, and at times? This is so, to think about ...
  • itarnmag 2 February 2020 16: 49 New
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    Dear Starover, every thermal power plant (nuclear power plant or thermal power plant) is a huge consumption of water (the turbines rotate with steam), think about it. And let the Europeans get out on their own, we would care about them
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      Dear Starover, every thermal power plant (nuclear power plant or thermal power plant) is a huge consumption of water (the turbines rotate with steam), think about it. And let the Europeans get out on their own, we would care about them

      They then get out Ilya, recovered after the war, developed industry, technology, and energy resources are their sore spot. With the development of NPP networks, we can and we will develop - the widespread use of electricity, fewer coal and fuel oil TPPs, what any foreign exchange earnings, and the NPP network along the western borders can cancel the Western plans to conquer Russia!
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      About the closed loop - not, "not heard." What is the water intake ?????? What nonsense are you talking about?
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      Mdaaa, knowledge at the gender level. Have you heard about the cooling towers? And what about turbine condensers? What is a reverse cooling system?
  • Victor N 2 February 2020 16: 52 New
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    Do you propose to become an "energy appendage"? It is better to ensure their energy-intensive production and sell finished products with high added value to the EU.
    I met calculations that the cost of electricity for the production of wind generators is higher than these generators can produce for the entire service life. True or not, but the cost of "green" energy rolls over.
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    If a person is an idiot, then this is for a long time!

    no it's forever
  • Pavel57 2 February 2020 19: 04 New
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    Nuclear power plants are shut off so that there are no nuclear scientists and uranium in Germany.
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    Electricity is more expensive, production is more expensive, production is higher than the price. I think this green someone has salted money to remove the competitor.
    1. Dmitry Donskoy 2 February 2020 16: 46 New
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      We need to build more floating power units. Such as Academician Lomonosov will soon be dismantled like hotcakes. fellow
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        They won’t give green, they say they will pollute the Baltic
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        Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
        We need to build more floating power units, such as Academician Lomonosov

        I still do not understand this adventure, why they built this crazy craft. Unless to master budget funds.
        It is many times more difficult, more expensive, inconvenient and inefficient than a stationary power unit.
        1. Brturin 2 February 2020 23: 50 New
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          Quote: rzzz
          It is many times more difficult, more expensive, inconvenient and inefficient than a stationary power unit.

          there may be another side - what kind of soil - if rocky soil, then yes stationary, and if permafrost. The lifetime of nuclear power plants under the current climate change (they say that warming in Russia is 2,5 times faster for mother) and this permafrost can bring surprises (or maybe not), but it is better to play it safe. And then maybe advertising goals for foreign comrades - there is, it’s working, it’s reliable ... maybe someone can decide ... The Jordanians abandoned a large nuclear power plant, asked for low power units ...
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          the study of technology, there it at least roughly coincides in cost of energy with a diesel station.
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          ANB 3 February 2020 08: 25 New
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          It is many times more difficult, more expensive, inconvenient and inefficient than a stationary power unit.

          In Kamchatka, the construction of a nuclear power plant is not possible due to seismic conditions.
          But, remember, when the electricity was again cut off due to the lack of fuel oil, the village was powered from an atomic submarine. The authorities were then torn out, but the idea seems to be remembered.
          Many where floating nuclear power plants can come in handy. And in these places it will be cheaper than stationary.
          1. Rzzz 3 February 2020 22: 08 New
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            About the "powered by submarines" is hard to believe. Firstly, the power of turbogenerators on submarines is not very large. It’s enough for a boat, but it’s unlikely to feed the village. In addition, most of the equipment there is powered by something like high-speed drives powered by 400 Hz. That is, it had to be transformed somehow.

            I heard about a similar story, only with the icebreaker "Soviet Union". With an icebreaker - of course. There, the entire reactor power goes to the generators, and it is possible immediately at 50 Hz.

            About seismic conditions. In Armenia, too, seismic conditions were built. In Iran too. They are building in Turkey now.
            And earthquakes near the sea are still tsunamis. And from him he may not be disgraced by a floating station.
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              ANB 3 February 2020 22: 25 New
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              I personally used this electricity.
              There, at the same time, the boats standing at the pier were powered, since they cannot be left without external power.
              The power scheme was written by all the flagship mechanics. Somehow they could.
              By the way, 220/50 appliances on the boat work. At 667bdr for sure (personally tried it).
              Regarding the tsunami - for a stationary coast station it is even more dangerous. The buoyant can just pull back.
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                The coast station can be built not on the seashore like greedy Americans for dumb Japanese, but at some distance, then no wave will reach. The floating ship will not leave anywhere, it is not self-propelled, in addition, it will not work anyway to quickly disconnect it from the shore and take it in tow (even with these tugboats).
                As for the power from the submarines - well, I agree that it is possible. But the power will be extremely small.
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                  ANB 4 February 2020 00: 03 New
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                  2 generators of 3MW 667bdr. I looked in the wiki.
                  Not much. I don’t remember, one boat was connected, or several. But there, the village is not very big either.
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          It is many times simpler, cheaper, more convenient and more efficient than a stationary power unit.
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            Do you have reasonable arguments for your position or is this the answer in the style of "samdurak"?
  • LMN
    LMN 2 February 2020 16: 52 New
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    And how much should the "right" electricity cost? what
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      Quote: LMN
      And how much should the "right" electricity cost?

      The question is good. For comparison:
      In Germany, 4000 x 0.3 = 1200 Euro / year = 85 056 rubles. = 7088 rub / month.
      I have an average of 250 kWh / month. x 2.45 p. = 612,5 rubles x 12 = 7350 rub / year. = 103,69 euro / year.
      Over a year, it runs around 3000 kWh. With the exception of air conditioning, there is a whole set of electrical equipment. There is no talk about saving; in the general balance of the rent, the amount of payment for electricity is insignificant. The highest consumption is obtained when an additional boiler and oil cooler are used in the summer-autumn period.
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        Quote: GAF
        Quote: LMN
        And how much should the "right" electricity cost?

        The question is good. For comparison:
        In Germany, 4000 x 0.3 = 1200 Euro / year = 85 056 rubles. = 7088 rub / month.
        I have an average of 250 kWh / month. x 2.45 p. = 612,5 rubles x 12 = 7350 rub / year. = 103,69 euro / year.
        Over a year, it runs around 3000 kWh. With the exception of air conditioning, there is a whole set of electrical equipment. There is no talk about saving; in the general balance of the rent, the amount of payment for electricity is insignificant. The highest consumption is obtained when an additional boiler and oil cooler are used in the summer-autumn period.

        Well, I also pay this year 26 € / month (last year was 33 € / month). The overpayment was returned, the monthly payment was reduced.
        With a salary of € 1250, I’m not even trying to save. request

        It is rather a problem for industrialists.
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    But the electricity in the outlet is green, right!
    Only very expensive.
    The rich must cry too.

    The price of electricity in my hometown in the Lipetsk region is 2,59 rubles per kWh. The average salary, real, 15000. In Germany, the average wage of the provincial 171000. It turns out they have more affordable electricity or at a level with us
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      That you do not forget the compulsory health insurance and taxes of about 40% and the average salary there is just 4-5 thousand euros, if you do not take large cities. Therefore, Fritz are worried about such tariffs. This does not yet include water, gas and heating and communal
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        Quote: K-612-O
        That you do not forget the compulsory health insurance and taxes of about 40% and the average salary there is just 4-5 thousand euros, if you do not take large cities. Therefore, Fritz are worried about such tariffs. This does not yet include water, gas and heating and communal

        171000 is the average income, net of all taxes. If you count with taxes then almost 2 times higher. And with water and by the way, this is pulling an owl on a globe, we are talking about electricity prices. And so it turns out that without their own nuclear power plants, their electricity is more accessible than ours ... The article is written with the expectation of a simpleton, they say look how shitty they have ... but as we see it is not so simple if you think with your head. Yes, and for some reason they go to them for treatment, and BMWs prefer VAZ, and without gas turbines Siemens is somehow hard for our fleet. And we were reformed and optimized to the point that the Chinese !!! The Chinese complain about the conditions in our hospitals.
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          Have you ever been to Germany or Austria a year or 2 ago? Have you seen reality? Such salaries are far from widespread; I am also silent about small businesses. And clerks and big business are not an indicator. For example, my salary is not much less voiced by you, but I'm not saying that it is an indicator of the availability of something on average for the population.
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            Quote: K-612-O
            Have you ever been to Germany or Austria a year or 2 ago? Have you seen reality? Such salaries are far from widespread; I am also silent about small businesses. And clerks and big business are not an indicator. For example, my salary is not much less voiced by you, but I'm not saying that it is an indicator of the availability of something on average for the population.

            Every year at Oktoberfest + my sister lives in Frankfurt
        2. 16329 3 February 2020 10: 44 New
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          The upkeep in our hospitals can and does leave much to be desired, but it is treated there, but in Germany, where medical insurance, which is paid 50 to 50% by the company where I work, for a family of 3 people per month is 1400 Euro (700 Personally I’m crying) I had a lot of problems with insurance treatment, I was saved in Russia, in my native city on the Neva
          And if you chat with people, you will learn a lot about German healthcare
          For example, when you lie down in a German hospital you’ll definitely catch an infection, in my case there was once chickenpox, chickenpox leaves a wonderful impression in adulthood, especially against the background of a serious illness
          University clinics are especially scary in Germany, where a doctor rarely appears, like the sun in December, and you are in the hands of interns and trainees, etc.
          Rich people in Germany do not have health insurance and are treated by familiar doctors, pay them directly, very expensively but effectively

          About BMW (the first six years I left, new), the second new I haven’t said anything bad for 2 years, it only costs 30% more than in Russia, and maybe more, the car loan is inexpensive only the first three years, an authentic service under classic German with the slogan “expensive, long and not high quality”, I am fleeing at free car service companies
          Well, all BMW SUVs for the German and other markets (except the Russian one) are assembled in the USA, it’s cheaper there


          Siemens GTs are not used in the fleet and have no relation to the sea, they have large energy vehicles manufactured in Berlin (Above 100 MW) small up to 40 MW in Sweden, also RR For land use (up to 40 MW) also belongs to Siemens, in Russia Siemens turbines with capacities above 100 MW were localized; their developments at LMZ were closed in the 90s
          Now UEC is again developing a gas turbine with a capacity of over 100 MW, Siemens rivals for large GE and MHPS cars (Mitsubishi)
          Siemens two years ago only in Germany reduced 18 thousand people
      2. Rzzz 2 February 2020 22: 47 New
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        So, we also have about 40% taxes. Well, those who still pay them.
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          Quote: rzzz
          So, we also have about 40% taxes. Well, those who still pay them.

          You pay taxes even when you buy bread in a store
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      Quote: Vol4ara
      Quote: Victor_B
      But the electricity in the outlet is green, right!
      Only very expensive.
      The rich must cry too.

      The price of electricity in my hometown in the Lipetsk region is 2,59 rubles per kWh. The average salary, real, 15000. In Germany, the average wage of the provincial 171000. It turns out they have more affordable electricity or at a level with us

      171.000 average salary provincial?))
      Where do these numbers come from? belay
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        Quote: LMN
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Quote: Victor_B
        But the electricity in the outlet is green, right!
        Only very expensive.
        The rich must cry too.

        The price of electricity in my hometown in the Lipetsk region is 2,59 rubles per kWh. The average salary, real, 15000. In Germany, the average wage of the provincial 171000. It turns out they have more affordable electricity or at a level with us

        171.000 average salary provincial?))
        Where do these numbers come from? belay

        Official info
        1. LMN
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          This is a hoax. Or statistics.
          Simple calculations show 89 € / hour. At 160 work-hours per month.
          Top managers, private traders .. for the average engineer (not to mention professional workers), such a salary is unrealistic.
          Up to 35 € .... but these are peaks.
          The bulk receives 10 € -20 €.
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            The bulk receives 10 € -20 €.

            He converted to rubles.
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: LMN
              The bulk receives 10 € -20 €.

              He converted to rubles.

              laughing good
  • smart ass 2 February 2020 18: 53 New
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    If progress has given the world of nuclear power plants why return to the Middle Ages ?!
    1. cat Rusich 2 February 2020 19: 40 New
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      “Windmills” defeated Don Quixote of the Lamanic, defeating nuclear power plants in Germany ... “wind of changes” CREEP ...
      1. smart ass 2 February 2020 20: 28 New
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        Verney is not progress, but the USSR gave the world nuclear power plants
  • Atilla 3 February 2020 04: 06 New
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    Do not stink like that for the Germans. They will come out of this situation with their heads up. Better worry about our affairs. And they are in our very stage, which involves complete darkness.
  • NEXUS 2 February 2020 16: 22 New
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    In the near future, electricity and water will be a luxury item. Already in many countries, the luxury item is normal healthy food. About energy, there’s nothing to say. But on the other hand, iPhones are released, space rockets and mountains of normal food are created in the type of developed countries, they are stupidly thrown when almost every second starving person in Africa.
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      It's all right! That's when there will be problems with water for irrigation of the earth, for the disposal of liquid waste can then remember about my developments. It usually happens that until the cock pecks everyone thinks that prosperity will last forever
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        Quote: gridasov
        maybe then they will remember about my developments.

        I’m even afraid to think about .. to bind shit utilization and energy flows ...
        1. gridasov 2 February 2020 16: 54 New
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          And why think your obsolete and calm down. Mankind already needs the technology of reproduction of electric energy combining with the restoration of ecology. Not to mention clean energy. But think about it oh how hard
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            Quote: gridasov
            And why think your obsolete and calm down.

            Giving advice is also your development.? Tip by the way so-so ..
            There is a saying about this .. Don’t say what to do and you won’t be sent ..
            Quote: gridasov
            Mankind already needs the technology of reproduction of electric energy combining with the restoration of ecology.

            Reproduction?
            Who did we get higher education from without primary school ..?
          2. Andrey VOV 2 February 2020 18: 13 New
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            Another unrecognized genius ... how to get fuel and energy from manure was invented a long time ago and not by you
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            Quote: gridasov
            Not to mention clean energy. But think about it oh how hard

            when someone talks about clean energy, only two ideas arise: calling for orderlies or sprinkling holy water
            1. Chigi 2 February 2020 19: 46 New
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              Better to combine for fidelity).
              Although here a couple of days ago on VO a recipe for moonshine from pine needles was offered ...
              1. Barmaleyka 2 February 2020 20: 48 New
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                Do you propose another whip with a spruce broom?
      2. NEXUS 2 February 2020 16: 36 New
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        Quote: gridasov
        It's all right! That's when there will be problems with water for irrigation of the earth, for the disposal of liquid waste can then remember about my developments. It usually happens that until the cock pecks everyone thinks that prosperity will last forever

        All these shortages, crises, price hikes and so on are all artificial. Monitoring the population on Earth.
        Many developments are buried. The same works by Filipov, Tesla, etc. ... but the weapons are smarter, the viruses are incurable, and life is more expensive. Does it yourself not seem to you that what is behind all this hemorrhoids? For me this is obvious.
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        hi Usually they argue like this: "Enough for our century, but there even grass does not grow." Sadly, that’s the majority of the pie.
      4. Aviator_ 2 February 2020 17: 35 New
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        Gridasov, hello! For a long time did not appear, it became boring at VO. And what are your developments for the disposal of liquid waste and how do they differ from the disposal of solid waste?
        1. gridasov 2 February 2020 18: 35 New
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          Hello! Most of the non-sortable biological waste is loaded into landfills where methane gas is collected at best. However, if you wash the total mass of waste before the prepared water, and then pass it through a turbine, which I often talk about combined with a generator, then cavitation is combined with the Utkin effect, but the whole process is organized as its own and without the application of external energy with these effects, then I already said we can get water suitable for the restoration of depleted minerals and other land. At the same time, the generator of variable magnetic processes built on ionization processes in the blades used as induction devices will create the conditions for the combined transformation of a liquid medium and the creation of an electronic magnetic process. Part of the energy goes of course to power the turbine drive itself. Because it is also an electric machine. The design is at the same time simple, but also difficult to understand the algorithms of the process occurring in it. One of the key elements of such a device is precisely induction devices that simultaneously play the role of directing the fluid flow. It is important to note that such a device is able to create very stable emulsions from substances that otherwise bind very energy-intensive. We have created a process and a basic device that are applicable in very important technological processes. When people get acquainted with this principle and device, they realize how ineffective the screw and all the derivative devices are. Scientific value cannot be overestimated because a person gets the opportunity to combine the energy processes of transformation in the liquid state of substances and solid state of aggregation. All pumps and compressors and the theory of justification for their work are systematized into one theory. The chaos and confusion in their manufacture end.
          1. gridasov 2 February 2020 18: 45 New
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            Many are surprised that I tie the work of this device to the work of the propulsion and engine, electric generator and wind generator and hydro generator. But this is precisely what determines the fundamental nature of understanding the new process and the operation of the new device. Look on the Internet and how many BTG developments on permanent magnets are there. But no one
            does not develop devices to replace these permanent magnets and the principle of operation. Why? Because they do not work with the completeness of interaction of all magnetic fluxes and do not know how to transform and strengthen the linear vector of interconnection through magnetic fluxes of rotation. Therefore, they cannot radically increase the efficiency of such generators.
          2. Victor_B 2 February 2020 18: 47 New
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            Gridasov, and you, by chance, are not from Vladivostok?
            About 13 years ago, we could not have crossed paths with you about heating the building by electric power through some pumps (?) There, something like something about cavitation and raising the efficiency?
            1. gridasov 2 February 2020 18: 53 New
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              No, I live in Ukraine. In addition, few people know about my developments. I did not find any attempts to find partners who understand the prospects. Therefore, they realize that the demand for my ideas is only growing. Sooner or later, someone had to comprehend and know this. Moreover, it is still supplemented by mathematics, or rather attached to it.
              1. Chigi 2 February 2020 19: 53 New
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                What a blessing.
                Please help the Government of Ukraine with your developments, take pity on the brains and people.
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                  Do not make me laugh! In Ukraine, this is impossible. They can only boast of children's toys, perhaps. But I'm not sure that anything is being done in Russia in this direction.
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                Moreover, it is still supplemented by mathematics, or rather attached to it.

                Call you already from mathematics! “Understanding partners” will appear immediately, sooner or later ...
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            Chaos and confusion

            Not everyone is given to understand.
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      Feed 10 hungry blacks today, in a year you will receive 20 hungry blacks.
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      space rockets are being created

      What are space rockets? An industry around the world in ... compared to the 60s. There is a banal drank, turn over the old development. The whole world is trotting around on the spot ..
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        The whole world is trotting around on the spot ..

        No, it rolls back ..
        Here is an industrial exhibition in Paris at the beginning of the last century ... and we are told that at that time everything was not developed and wretched ...

        Pay attention to the domes of churches in Paris and what is installed on them (not crosses at all) ... while electric trains travel without wires.
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          Quote: NEXUS
          at the same time, electric trains travel without wires.

          Its a miracle ..

          also without wires ..
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            also without wires ..

            Only in my video is it all there in the period 1800-1900, huh ... it’s so, to think about it, they’re pushing us in, what story, etc.
            1. dvina71 2 February 2020 17: 54 New
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              what are we getting into

              Yes, they’re not bringing us anything.
              19th century - a breakthrough in chemistry, physics .. especially mechanics. Mathematics .. 20 centuries, all this has been implemented in practice ..
              scientific breakthroughs in the 20th century ... medicine if only .., so there’s especially nothing to realize ..
              Will be polished to perfection .. or meaningless, 19th century ..
              1. NEXUS 2 February 2020 18: 04 New
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                Yes, they’re not bringing us anything.

                Well, yes ... education is felt. You’ll get the hell out of it. What’s implemented there, dear? The steam industry was buried, the production of electric vehicles was buried. By the way, cars for a couple, on electricity and with an internal combustion engine started at about the same time, but for some reason they chose the most worthless way of development, since the efficiency of an internal combustion engine in comparison with steam and electricity is generally nothing. But your higher one does not allow you to look at reality from a different angle. Only the ability to look with sober eyes (even though there will be at least 5 higher ones) is essentially illiteracy.
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                  since the efficiency of internal combustion engines in comparison with steam

                  About education you are right to the point. Dear, have you heard about the Carnot cycle?
                  1. NEXUS 2 February 2020 18: 17 New
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                    Dear, have you heard about the Carnot cycle?

                    The process of thermodynamics and what, dear? I have said many times that higher education (modern) is more hindering the perception of what was happening.
                    Modern history is a complete lie. But you stubbornly hold on to it, for the teacher has so explained to you, and so it is written in the Wiki and textbooks. But few people think that history has been rewritten more than once or twice, even in our lifetime. What happened 200-300 years ago, in fact, no one can say.
                    And for me, the technical level of the 18-19th century was not lower than today. And I don’t need to poke iPhones and computers ... this is not an indicator of progress, from the word at all.
                    You never asked yourself, why are so many OLD technologies we are modern and advanced, stupidly unable to even repeat?
                    1. Aviator_ 2 February 2020 18: 46 New
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                      I heard it pleases. And now it would be nice to remember about the maximum possible efficiency of a heat engine, after which it will become clear why the internal combustion engine has a higher efficiency than a steam engine.
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                        ICE has a higher efficiency than a steam engine.

                        Oh, how ... I won’t even argue. Think so.
                      2. Aviator_ 2 February 2020 19: 47 New
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                        It is difficult to argue with a general physics textbook.
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                        It is difficult to argue with a general physics textbook.

                        Oh how ... then argue with that ...

                        And why in the TEXTBOOKS of modern science there is no ETHER? Apparently Mendeleev also found it difficult to argue with the dogmas of textbooks written by "educated" people ... yeah
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                        Ether is the medium through which an electromagnetic wave propagates. Transverse (I think you are aware of what it is). Almost 100 years ago, this medium was called vacuum.
                        And now about your "periodic table." Dmitry Ivanovich himself arranged his elements in a table according to their chemical properties and atomic weight. And he even predicted the discovery of elements not yet found at the time of publication of the table, and also gave corrected atomic weights of some elements, which were determined with a large error. In your fake table, cells with the inscriptions "Dust", "Metaphysics" and "Ether" are especially touching. Why are their atomic weights not written? K D.I. Mendeleev this picture has nothing to do. And about the "ether" now there are many "ether speakers", Atsyukovsky, at least. But he does not even fall to your level.
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                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Ether is the medium through which an electromagnetic wave propagates. Transverse (I think you are aware of what it is). Almost 100 years ago, this medium was called vacuum.

                        That’s the first misconception ... ether is not a vacuum at all. Vacuum educated wise men call emptiness ...
                        Vacuum (from lat. Vacuus - void) - a space free of matter

                        Ether, this is completely different ...
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        In your fake table, cells with the words "Dust", "Metaphysics" and "Ether" are especially touching.

                        You are right, this table is fake in the matter of "dust" ... but ... in the first edition of the table, Mendeleev really prescribed before the hydrogen-ETH. And what is most interesting, you know this, however, you are engaged in literary studies ...
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        K D.I. Mendeleev this picture has nothing to do.

                        You do not have to pretend, dear, that you are not aware of the fact of the prescription of ether as an element in the table BEFORE hydrogen.
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          Quote: NEXUS
          By the way, cars for a couple, on electricity and with internal combustion engines began to start at about the same time, but for some reason they chose the shitty way of development, since the efficiency of internal combustion engines in comparison with steam and electricity is generally nothing.

          Let's list + ICE ..
          Compactness, high power and KM at small sizes. High efficiency .. there are truths of its implementation in practice .., high-energy fuel .. that is, you do not need significant transportable reserves .. it is easy to maintain and control ..
          + couple ... romance ... and somewhere you should always take water ...
          Electric cars ...
          like the highest efficiency .. if you take a couple of battery-wheels .. And if you take the whole cycle .. starting from the production of electricity and transforming it into a chemical reaction ... then everything is not so simple ..
          And 50% of the diesel efficiency, at certain speeds, is simply not achievable for an electric vehicle.
          You still scored a jet engine .. which replaced the piston in aviation .. Also, probably there are some undercurrents ....
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            Compactness, high power and KM at small sizes. High efficiency .. there are truths of its implementation in practice .., high-energy fuel .. that is, you do not need significant transportable reserves .. it is easy to maintain and control ..
            + couple ... romance ... and somewhere you should always take water ...

            Of course ... after all, pumping oil and littering the planet is much more logical. At the expense of water ... our planet is called Earth, although two-thirds of the planet’s surface is water, which means it’s more correct to call the planet-Ocean. And I’m talking only about the water that is on the surface. And according to some studies, there is an order of magnitude more water in the depths of the planet than on the surface. This is so, by the way, where to take something ...
            Quote: dvina71
            Electric cars ...

            Since the 19th century, the theme of electric vehicles has not been particularly developed ... I wonder why? The fort bought up all the tram depots where the trams operated on electricity. The network even has a photo of what they created with these trams. And what was developed? Correctly, what was more profitable for the Rothschilds, Morgan, etc. ... by the way, Tesla was financed by Morgan. But when it dawned on him that Tesla’s inventions might bury his business, he refused to finance Tesla.
            And by the way, why are we so modestly silent about Filipov’s work?
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              But when he realized that Tesla’s inventions

              If not difficult .. What inventions of N. Tesla are we talking about?
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                If not difficult .. What inventions of N. Tesla are we talking about?

                On the collection of electricity from the atmosphere and its transfer without wires at any distance. By the way, Filipov did the same ...
                But the main “miracle” of the ingenious inventor was a device that went down in history as the “Tesla transformer”. In order not to be mistaken in the details, we quote Andrei Nesterov, the author of a very comprehensive article, “The Mysterious World of Nikola Tesla”. So, the device consisted of “two circuits, the first of which includes a high-voltage power source, a high-voltage capacitor, a spark gap and a primary coil. The second circuit consists of one coil grounded on one side and with an output on the other. Unlike conventional transformers, there is no ferromagnetic core, which leads to the loss of inductive coupling between the coils. But due to the fact that the coils are in resonance, with each discharge of the capacitor and the appearance of current in the primary coil in the secondary coil, an electric current also arises, the output voltage of which reaches millions of volts. Tesla himself received a voltage of twelve to twenty million volts at the output - this still remains an unattainable figure for humanity. "
                This device has provided mankind with a unique opportunity for wireless energy transfer (it has not been used to this day in favor of the mercenary financial interests of influential big business groups - including, surprisingly, in the USSR). Tesla himself in the course of official experiments demonstrated the transmission of electricity wirelessly over a distance of more than one hundred kilometers.

                And here is what Filippov wrote ..
                But the main “miracle” of the ingenious inventor was a device that went down in history as the “Tesla transformer”. In order not to be mistaken in the details, we quote Andrei Nesterov, the author of a very comprehensive article, “The Mysterious World of Nikola Tesla”. So, the device consisted of “two circuits, the first of which includes a high-voltage power source, a high-voltage capacitor, a spark gap and a primary coil. The second circuit consists of one coil grounded on one side and with an output on the other. Unlike conventional transformers, there is no ferromagnetic core, which leads to the loss of inductive coupling between the coils. But due to the fact that the coils are in resonance, with each discharge of the capacitor and the appearance of current in the primary coil in the secondary coil, an electric current also arises, the output voltage of which reaches millions of volts. Tesla himself received a voltage of twelve to twenty million volts at the output - this still remains an unattainable figure for humanity. "
                This device has provided mankind with a unique opportunity for wireless energy transfer (it has not been used to this day in favor of the mercenary financial interests of influential big business groups - including, surprisingly, in the USSR). Tesla himself in the course of official experiments demonstrated the transmission of electricity wirelessly over a distance of more than one hundred kilometers.

                Or heresy too, dear?
                By the way, do not tell me why Mendeleev was the first to have Ether on the table, but now he is not in the table?
              2. dvina71 2 February 2020 18: 40 New
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                Or heresy too, dear?

                Yeah .. banal physics .. Ohm’s law ..
                And two .. How many such generators will be needed to create a couple of megawatts of electric energy? And you need to do this stably .. your electric train cannot stand and wait for a thunderstorm ..
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                Yeah .. banal physics .. Ohm’s law ..

                Seriously? wassat I am embarrassed to ask you, about an educated person, but why can’t our scientists then repeat this?
                Quote: dvina71
                How many such generators will be required to create a couple of megawatts of electric energy?

                And how many wires, fuel, etc. are required for the movement of the train?
                Quote: dvina71
                your electric train cannot stand and wait for a thunderstorm ..

                Read carefully
                Tesla himself received a voltage of twelve to twenty million volts at the output

                What a thunderstorm to the devil, dear?
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                I am embarrassed to ask you, about an educated person, but why can’t our scientists then repeat this?

                What should they repeat? High voltage tricks? It could easily be observed under the hood of a car .. raw and poor quality high-voltage wires and voila .. high-voltage glow ...
                Quote: NEXUS
                And how many wires, fuel, etc. are required for the movement of the train?

                Yes xs .. the main thing is that they are stable .. and the train travels without waiting for the next discharge ..
                Quote: NEXUS
                Read carefully

                AND? Did you get it? And what current does it have at the output?
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                What a thunderstorm to the devil, dear?

                Now DC power lines in places reach 1,5 million volts. Without any fiction. Moreover, at the receiving end they process 50 million volts back into alternating 1 Hz, which is routed through networks.
                And no miracles. Electrical Engineering
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            Or heresy too, dear?

            You also have Greta syndrome, dear. It is necessary to indicate at least the physical principle of such "energy technologies" to indicate. What was a miracle in Tesla’s time was essentially a broadband radio transmitter. Bonch-Bruyevich embodied on radio tubes. 500 kW, with energy transfer to half the world. After all, what does the detector receiver do? It receives transmitter energy and uses it to create vibrations. One kilometer from this radio station it was possible to light bulbs. But the attenuation of power in a quadratic dependence has not been canceled. Tesla simply either did not know about this or was silent. And enthusiastic hamsters ate nonsense, and admired. Like now with energy from orbit. We accept 1 kW / m² with an efficiency of 15%, convert to microwave with an efficiency of 25%, send it to 36 thousand km with a weakening of one and a half billion times, accept 25% of the efficiency. And dream of endless happiness.
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            What was a miracle in Tesla's time was essentially a broadband radio transmitter.

            For many, this is still lacking analogs in the world and new physical principles. I’ll add to the piggy bank if now they can’t get 10 million volts, as the nexus claims, then how and by what Tesla himself could measure these millions ...
    4. dvina71 2 February 2020 18: 34 New
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      Of course ... after all, pumping oil and littering the planet is much more logical.

      Cut wood and warm water in a steam engine and litter the planet .., dig coal, burn fire and heat the steam engine .. and again litter the planet ..
      Do you want me to tell you a story about our planet ..
      Even before the Cambrian explosion, microorganisms inhabited the Earth, the product of vital activity was methane .. an excellent greenhouse gas that maintained the necessary temperature on Earth .. with a young and unstable Sun ..
      But opportunists appeared ... who produced oxygen .. but since methane was lighter .. they lived apart in their oxygen reserves .. But they did their job .. oxygen production increased sharply, the percentage of methane in the atmosphere decreased .. and ... froze all .. for several million years ..
      That's who litters the planet .. yes?
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        That's who litters the planet .. yes?

        You still tell such a game that oil is a product of the life of dinosaurs ... yeah. How do the officials tell us. PPC ... do not want to delve into, it's up to you.
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        You still tell such a game


        Oxygen catastrophe ... do not persist in ignorance ..
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    Tariff growth by 8.1%.
    So we switch to green energy every year? wassat
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      Tariff growth by 8.1%.

      It’s just not clear, the current in the socket is becoming more expensive ... apparently it has become better in comparison with the current of 50 years ago. wassat
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        It’s just not clear, the current in the socket is becoming more expensive ... apparently it has become better in comparison with the current of 50 years ago

        current cannot go up.
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        And you think that many people know what the quality of electric energy is.
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        The current has become democratic and liberal, but you have to pay for it)))
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          But you don’t mind that the wheat has also risen in price, apparently it has somehow grown in a different way, better

          I’m constantly talking about this, as well as about the water in the tap, gasoline, etc. ... they just don’t hear me ...
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        Yes, no ... the current remained the same .... The wires became more reliable, the automatic systems for safely disconnecting the current became more perfect, and the current is not ... the same in essence remained.
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    The conclusion suggests itself - in Germany they will soon reconsider their attitude to nuclear energy.
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      Not only when swear word for fall.
      When people are not beaten for a long time, they begin to believe that computers grow in the garden, and electricity is found in outlets. And the economy-wiring for suckers.
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    Gunther Oettinger, member of the Energy Commission, estimates that Germany’s energy sector reform will require € 1 trillion ($ 1,42 trillion) over 10-20 years.
    https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2011/05/30/3632941.shtml
    The article by reference is true from 2011. But I do not think that the numbers have changed much.
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      Germany’s energy sector reform will need € 1 trillion ($ 1,42 trillion) over 10-20 years.

      Now they have swung the whole EU - the goal is to build an economy with zero carbon emissions by 2050 (to reduce to zero the difference between greenhouse gas emissions and their absorption) - the European Green Deal, tentatively three trillion euros. To begin with, they decided to put in the budget 2021-2027 7,5 billion euros ... while the friction on this issue ....
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    In Germany, the situation in the electric power industry is becoming more complicated in connection with successive steps by the country's authorities to abandon the operation of nuclear power plants. Recall that Germany, in fact acting on the orders of Brussels, is engaged in the decommissioning of nuclear reactors - with the declared transition to "green" energy sources.
    Britain has set a good example for Braxit how not to cave in under Brussels, which is not always adequate in the economy.
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    Recall that Germany, in fact acting on the orders of Brussels, is engaged in the decommissioning of nuclear reactors - with the declared transition to "green" energy sources.


    The role of Brussels here is not so great. The population of Germany itself on the abandonment of nuclear power plants is much stronger than all Brussels combined.
  • Free wind 2 February 2020 16: 51 New
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    There are few solar panels in Germany, but there are windmills. How does a wind turbine electric generator differ from a similar one at a thermal power plant? But nothing. So what is the harm of green energy ?????? And prices are rising, well, the campaign and every year we switch to green energy.
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      The impossibility of scheduling (by chance there or not).
      As a result, the need to have in reserve almost as many traditional sources that should stand idle for a significant part of the time.
      From here, costs double.
    2. gridasov 2 February 2020 17: 00 New
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      Well, you have to be so smart that one problem is replaced with another. Do you know how many problems these wind farms cause.
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        Quote: gridasov
        Do you know how many problems these wind farms cause.

        Yes, only the birds of God kill immeasurably!
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        this, yes: usually, the wind does not blow when it is necessary ... (And vice versa)
    3. Aviator_ 2 February 2020 17: 45 New
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      Windmills are placed in places of strong winds, and it is there that many birds migrate. So they thin out the birds decently. And capacities give nothing at all, in comparison with hydroelectric power stations (which also thin out fish), and thermal power plants are much more powerful in comparison with this market greenery. You can forget about the Kyoto Protocol, it’s common to breed, as with Freons 30 years ago, when the “problem” with the ozone hole over Antarctica was inflated. The same environmental hysteria was about 40 years ago about the level of the Caspian, while it was going down, the barrel was rolled to the cascade of the Volga hydroelectric power stations. Then they shut up sharply, because the level began to rise - the phenomenon, it turns out, is associated with tectonic movements of the bottom.
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        compared to hydropower

        HPS does give fish a chance .. there are detours, besides, river fish are quite cautious about excessive depths .. and the fence for turbines is located as deep as possible ..
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          It, of course, is true for serious hydroelectric power stations. It’s just that in my youth I went to the tattered Salute (such a kayak, the predecessor of Taimen) along the Southern Bug to the Megei rapids, along the way they surrounded several small collective farm hydroelectric power stations, looked at the perches and pike perches chopped by turbines.
          1. Avior 2 February 2020 18: 15 New
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            It's not a problem
            they simply didn’t put protective nets there or did not monitor the state
            Collective farm hydropower plants, what to take, it was fashionable at one time
      2. Avior 2 February 2020 18: 17 New
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        Windmills are placed in places of strong winds, and it is there that many birds migrate. So they thin out the birds decently.

        repeatedly visited different wind farms
        I've never seen a bird chopped by a generator
        and I can’t even imagine, they rotate very slowly, I don’t know how the bird gets, it’s really stupid, perhaps.
        and they fly much higher in packs
    4. Avior 2 February 2020 18: 03 New
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      There are few solar panels in Germany

      completely, completely, at every turn.
      and windmills too.
      1. Brturin 2 February 2020 18: 39 New
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        Quote: Avior
        completely, completely, at every turn.

        Only here are winters - I do not know how it is now in Germany, but lately it has been painfully foggy. Take Petersburg in December - “2,6 hours the sun was shining, it was 4 days”, - the chief weather forecaster of the city Alexander Kolesov (in the past it was true 1,4 hours).
        1. Avior 2 February 2020 18: 54 New
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          In St. Petersburg, the sun is generally bad, even in summer.
          In Germany, solar panels and huge fields and many roofs
          Windmills also stand in huge fields, the view is simply mesmerizing
    5. Oyo Sarkazmi 2 February 2020 19: 38 New
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      Quote: Free Wind
      How does a wind turbine electric generator differ from a similar one at a thermal power plant? And nothing

      They do not differ. Now in Germany, windmills have 80% of the total installed capacity. And they give 8% of the generated. Well, this is how you have a car with a carrying capacity of 1000 tons, which carries 600 kg per flight. Can no longer.
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      Quote: Free Wind
      There are few solar panels in Germany, but there are windmills. How does a wind turbine electric generator differ from a similar one at a thermal power plant? But nothing. So what is the harm of green energy ?????? And prices are rising, well, the campaign and every year we switch to green energy.


      In 2019, Germany received 46% of all electricity from renewable sources. Nuclear power plants accounted for 14%, while coal, gas and fuel oil power plants accounted for 40%. There are more and more windmills and solar panels in Germany every year, but the share of electricity received from windmills is clearly higher than that from solar panels.
  • atalef 2 February 2020 16: 51 New
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    Did I understand correctly? will pay 100 euros per year more.
    In the YEAR, Karl, 8 euros a month, well, really not an affordable amount to head an article -
    “Electricity is becoming a luxury item”:

    request
    1. gridasov 2 February 2020 17: 05 New
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      Uh no! Push the locomotive off the slide without brakes. Talk about a trend of potential problems. Or someone thinks that having collected one hundred euros, the problem of increasing energy production is being solved. Yes, at least a thousand, but the problem can not be solved
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      Given that the global mortgage crisis in the United States erupted due to an increase in the interest rate by 0,2%, the average borrower had to pay more than $ 10 per month, more than 8 euros for millions of families could be overwhelming.
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        Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
        Given that the global mortgage crisis in the United States erupted due to an increase in interest rates by 0,2%, the average borrower had to pay $ 10 more per month,

        tales, the reason was completely different
        Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
        8 euros for millions of families can be unbearable.

        fool
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      Quote: atalef
      Did I understand correctly? will pay 100 euros per year more.
      In the YEAR, Karl, 8 euros a month, well, really not an affordable amount to head an article -
      “Electricity is becoming a luxury item”:

      request


      With an average salary of taxpayers in 2018, 3304 euros per person.
  • Lamata 2 February 2020 16: 56 New
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    Try to say that Greta Thunberg is simple. idiot - will eat the same. Green trend Mlyn. blue trend.
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      Quote: Lamata
      Try to say that Greta Thunberg is simple. idiot - will eat the same. Green trend Mlyn. blue trend.


      Yes, as it were, the people there are not very afraid.
      They jubilant over Greta, who is much to what.

      wassat laughing
      1. Lamata 3 February 2020 08: 44 New
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        I meant more or less public persons))) men with testicles in Europe still exist.
  • Hey
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    Before I discuss this article, I need to have complete information for all sorts of comparisons. We have electricity consumption by the German household about 330 kW / h, the cost of one kW / h - 20 rubles. It remains to find out how much a German family earns per month. Then it becomes clear that electricity really costs them dearly or the problem is far-fetched.
    1. Avior 2 February 2020 18: 13 New
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      The average salary for 2017 is 45 thousand euros per year
      after paying all taxes and fees, 24000, or 2000 per month, remain on hand.
      only 330 consumption is clearly overpriced. real for a modern apartment with energy-saving appliances is about 200 a month, and 330 I don’t know where it came from.
      if you don’t heat, of course
    2. Andrey VOV 2 February 2020 18: 18 New
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      In addition to electricity, their gas is also not cheap, taxes, insurance, and so on, the average family say the husband at the factory, the wife lives there tightening their belts in the store, of course enough, but from and to
  • Wanderer039 2 February 2020 17: 18 New
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    The Germans do not want to build a nuclear power plant and risk their own health ... Who is to blame for them ...
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    And despite the fact that since January 1 of this year, more than 500 electricity suppliers have already raised prices by 5,4%.


    It's time to buy from us ...
  • Egor53 2 February 2020 17: 24 New
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    Green electricity costs 10 times more than nuclear. In addition, nuclear energy is the most environmentally friendly - no emissions.
  • Doliva63 2 February 2020 17: 25 New
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    Washington seems to have decided to send Europe into the Stone Age by the hands of Brussels laughing
    And we will go there once, as long as the capitalists rule.
  • honest people 2 February 2020 17: 27 New
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    But the electricity in the outlet is green, right!
    Only very expensive.
    The rich must cry too.

    In general, the growth of electricity tariffs in Russia will not exceed in 2020 the national average of 5% good
  • Victor March 47 2 February 2020 17: 29 New
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    It's all right! That's when there will be problems with water for irrigation of the earth, for the disposal of liquid waste can then remember about my developments. It usually happens that until the cock pecks everyone thinks that prosperity will last forever

    But when do you realize all your nonsense, and will not write anything else? Do you get the topic dirty here too? Better communicate the success of creating a triangular magnetic field with a coil with a triangular wire profile. Paranoid.
  • Viktor Sergeev 2 February 2020 17: 33 New
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    But Greta triumphs. Give a splinter. It is clear to any normal person that the "green" energy is terribly expensive, the atomic energy is the cheapest, but it’s obvious that the green bribes are too large to act reasonably.
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi 2 February 2020 19: 47 New
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      Greta only a yacht. Mahogany and gilded above the waterline. I deliver food in portions of 100 grams from all over the world. Otherwise, why fight for the environment?
  • Victor March 47 2 February 2020 17: 38 New
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    Quote: Free Wind
    There are few solar panels in Germany, but there are windmills. How does a wind turbine electric generator differ from a similar one at a thermal power plant? But nothing. So what is the harm of green energy ?????? And prices are rising, well, the campaign and every year we switch to green energy.

    Graduate. You have no idea what problems are with this energy.
    https://www.nkj.ru/archive/articles/22733/

    The wind is not everywhere and not always. Industry cannot depend on the weather. Traditional generation, especially nuclear generation, cannot instantly turn on the reactor and turn off the reactor. Hydro cannot. ... Thermal cannot ..... TOTAL- parallel operation of generating capacities, lack of demand for all energy, hence the increase in costs and tariffs.
    1. Avior 2 February 2020 18: 07 New
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      Traditional generation, especially nuclear generation, cannot instantly turn on the reactor and turn off the reactor. Hydro cannot. ... Thermal cannot.

      The hydroelectric station can, and very quickly, these units are usually used as peak ones, the start time is a maximum of a minute.
      Atomic can't.
      Thermal - depend on the type of unit.
      There are half-peaks, with a special arrangement of boilers, they are capable of quick start and stop
  • Lord of the Sith 2 February 2020 17: 39 New
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    It was already like this, Uncle Vova seriously put the Germans with a face on the table))
  • honest people 2 February 2020 17: 41 New
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    Quote: Spectrum
    Yeah! Correct, but very expensive. The cost of such electricity is greater than the electricity itself can produce. This is such a green business called.

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      Quote: honest people
      Quote: Spectrum
      Yeah! Correct, but very expensive. The cost of such electricity is greater than the electricity itself can produce. This is such a green business called.



      Photoshop, he can stand it. It’s possible to draw something different)))
    2. mirexes 4 February 2020 12: 44 New
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      your schedule will work until the first serious crisis, and after the crisis, coal energy will be absolutely environmentally friendly and even though nothing is visible through the smoke
  • Petrol cutter 2 February 2020 17: 43 New
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    "The German publication Die Zeit writes that after such an increase, the average German family, consuming up to 4 thousand kWh per year, will pay 100 euros more at the end of the year."
    I do not think this is fatal for a German family.
    For us, the idea is good. We will also supply electricity if God gives. Electricity tanker from America can not bring in theory. Then, of course, Europe will be firmly tied to the Russian Federation. And it will only please. And a good mood will not leave you anymore.
    1. Blackmokona 2 February 2020 17: 48 New
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      Electricity can be produced locally with the help of SPPs and wind farms, and can be stored from nights and drops in the PSPP, hydrogen production and chemical. Accumulators. It will be more expensive but complete independence.
      1. Petrol cutter 2 February 2020 17: 59 New
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        Of course you can. Everything is possible, if carefully.
        Price issue. That's where the essence of the issue and the point of the problem, so to speak.
        1. Blackmokona 2 February 2020 18: 49 New
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          Germany is a rich country, and any independence is very expensive. At least food, at least military at least energy
          1. Petrol cutter 2 February 2020 18: 58 New
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            But not to the same extent. Provide a plant with energy, a city ...
            This is utopia.
            In Crimea, you will laugh, trying to replace an alternative nuclear power plant. Ended up with nothing. It is not worth it.
            The supply of energy through the wires can be replaced as long as nothing can.
            This is the cheapest and most cost effective method to date.
            1. Blackmokona 2 February 2020 20: 25 New
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              In China, renewable energy receives more electricity than Russia from all types of energy
              1. Petrol cutter 3 February 2020 21: 51 New
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                Honestly, for some reason I do not believe this thesis.
  • Igor Pa 2 February 2020 17: 50 New
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    Germany becomes a country where a minority rules the majority. They don’t go to the polls. At my work of five people I go only. They say that nothing will change. But in Baden-Württemberg, these finished green creatures rule.
  • Avior 2 February 2020 17: 57 New
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    actual consumption 2500 per year per family
    2500 * 0,3 euros = 750 per year, or 62 euros per month.
    average salary in Germany in 2017
    https://ru-geld.de/salary/average.html
    Annual gross salary 45'252.00 €
    after taxes and fees
    Annual net salary 23'745.92 €
    750 with 24 thousand euros scratched, I think ...
    or 60 from 2000 per month ... they will not die of hunger
    Compared to taxes, what they tear is just a penny.
    Although I understand them, it’s a pity to pay. smile
    hi
    1. 8200 2 February 2020 19: 30 New
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      HOW is the actual consumption of 2500 kW per YEAR ??? With us (a large apartment, not a house) - 2000 kW in the summer and winter per month! About 20000 kilowatts per year.
      1. Mordvin 3 2 February 2020 22: 03 New
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        Quote: 8200
        large apartment, not a house) - 2000 kW in summer and winter per month!

        Have you tried to turn off the light? recourse
        1. Avior 2 February 2020 22: 48 New
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          with modern bulbs, even if you don’t turn off the light around the clock, you won’t get so much.
          can neighbors connected to them? smile
          1. atalef 2 February 2020 22: 51 New
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            with modern bulbs, even if you don’t turn off the light around the clock, you won’t get so much.
            can neighbors connected to them?

            air conditioners - the main consumer (in Israel)
            Many families work around the clock. (In summer)
            Well, the refrigerator eats about 120 kW / h in 2 months.
            Laundry - many wash 2 times a day.
            Light - a penny, ice lighting practically eats nothing.
            1. Avior 2 February 2020 23: 15 New
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              it's about Germany, not Israel.
              it is clear that a shower with hot water is more common in Israel, and more air conditioning.
              But you don’t turn it off when you leave the house?
              The energy consumption of a modern A ++ refrigerator is somewhere around 30-40 kW per month.
              If you wash twice a day, do you get a wash from your neighbors, or what? smile
              12 kg of dry linen and clothes every day - 420 per month, this is the laundry mode.
              Or do you really make the minimum load, and do not bother with a large energy consumption, or you need to carefully look at home electrical appliances and the consumption mode, if you want to pay less.
              .
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            Quote: Avior
            with modern bulbs, even if you don’t turn off the light around the clock, you won’t get so much.

            Yes, I also do not understand what it takes so much electricity.
      2. Avior 2 February 2020 22: 46 New
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        Apparently, you have electric heating and hot water.
        Or the apartment is crammed with grandmother’s refrigerators, grandmother’s bulbs and stuff that you don’t turn off.
        otherwise I don’t see an explanation.
        Even a modern air conditioner will not wind up so much, unless you never turn it off, and the windows in summer are quite hot.
        For a modern apartment of usual sizes 200, a maximum of three hundred.
        1. atalef 2 February 2020 22: 53 New
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          Even a modern air conditioner will not wind up so much, unless you never turn it off,

          in the summer months I wind up to 1500 kW / h per month (i.e. 3000-3200 kW / h) for 2 months.
          True, I have the same electric boiler.
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            We need to figure out why so many. An electric boiler itself can kilowatts 250-350 per month, but it depends heavily on water consumption.
            Air conditioning can pull in the summer yet, again it depends on the regime, for Israel it will be relevant. But not for Germany or central Russia.
            1. atalef 2 February 2020 23: 08 New
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              Quote: Avior
              The electric boiler itself can kilowatts 250-350 per month,

              cannot, it is more than 120-150 hours of work per month.
              Too much.

              Quote: Avior
              But not for Germany or central Russia.

              so the article says. 4500 kWh per year.
              --- Miser.
              Nothing at all.
              Quote: Avior
              Need to sort it out

              nothing to understand
              central air conditioning 4.2 kW .- works around the clock + boiler + washer + refrigerator + dishwasher + dryer - and it goes.
              1. Avior 2 February 2020 23: 37 New
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                I do not know what your family size and consumption patterns are, as I understand it, the need for a soul is more frequent in Israel than in Germany. The spent boiler is heated for two hours, twice a day - this is 120 per month.
                In Israel, of course, an air conditioner can pull if it is not turned off for the whole apartment around the clock, set to a low temperature, but still there are questions about the thermal insulation of walls and windows and the availability and quality of athermal glass and other things.
                And I wrote about the middle zone of Russia or about Germany, and not Israel.
                What is a dryer? For clothes?
                In general, if the air conditioner is cooled, and the room is heated simultaneously with a dryer, then the consumption will be smile
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        Quote: 8200
        With us (a large apartment, not a house) - 2000 kW in the summer and winter per month!

        Well, not a month, but two. and even then not for everyone (usually the most problematic July-early October)
        Quote: 8200
        About 20000 kilowatts per year.

        average consumption of 8700 sq / h per year per average family. hi
        1. Avior 2 February 2020 23: 06 New
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          that's a lot.
          It seems that either the average family is large, or do not bother with elementary economy.
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            that's a lot.
            It seems that either the average family is large, or do not bother with elementary economy.

            air conditioning.
            The whole explanation.
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      these are just numbers, they really have much less. For example, they pay a tax on the media, can you imagine the state will start to take such a tax? this is taking into account the fact that our media is very far from German in terms of lies
      1. Avior 4 February 2020 18: 35 New
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        I know
        This is the figure after all taxes.
        1. mirexes 10 February 2020 12: 38 New
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          Since you know, you should know that the prices there are much higher than ours, otherwise you smart people love their salaries and apply them to our prices. Apply their salaries to their prices!
  • Tomich3 2 February 2020 18: 03 New
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    “And despite the fact that since January 1 of this year, more than 500 electricity providers have already raised prices by 5,4%.” Stop lying already! Here, in Tomsk, electricity rises by an average of 5% annually! And this is with existing nuclear power plants in Russia!
    1. mirexes 4 February 2020 12: 50 New
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      you probably missed math at school. For example, on average, we have a price of 6 rubles per 1 kW, we multiply it by 5%, we get the price increased by 30 Kopeks, now we take German prices for 1 kW and find 5% of that amount and suddenly you will see a big difference
      1. Tomich3 4 February 2020 15: 39 New
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        only here the Germans have a real average salary of not 300 euros as ours
        1. mirexes 4 February 2020 16: 30 New
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          why are you all just focusing on salary then? if you give salary as an example, then give expenses as an example. Even with the example of electricity, we have 5.3 rubles, there are 27 rubles. In Russia and Germany, PPP GDP is approximately the same, only in Germany GDP is divided into 80 million people, and in Russia by 144 million, and if only GDP is taken into account, then we have it less than in Germany, so you will see the difference in salaries. You better go to learn mathematics, otherwise you will directly remind liberals, along with United Russia, that those that others grab a part and PR on it.
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          So for the sake of diversity, come with your salary to Tajikistan, too, your salary will be the ultimate dream, but in Russia you do not have enough, and in Tajikistan you will be an aligarch with their prices.
  • Ros 56 2 February 2020 18: 04 New
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    And then we should worry about the Germans, let Grandma Merkelikha fuss for them. Well, as a last resort, their president is Steinmeier. And we have 3,09 rubles per kilowatt, well, a kilowatt for 150-180 burns up rubles for 500-600 and nothing, by the standards of the EU, is less than 10 euros. By their income - nothing.
  • Shuttle 2 February 2020 18: 07 New
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    It is the Americans who deliberately weaken German energy. They deliberately put pressure on the “greens” because no normal industry with continuous long production cycles can depend on the sun and wind in the yard. Therefore, fast-generating means of generation are needed. And this is only gas. Where there is gas, there are Americans. Nord Stream is no exception.
  • Cowbra 2 February 2020 18: 14 New
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    For German industry, higher prices will affect the cost of production, which will lead to a decrease in the competitiveness of German goods in the EU market.

    ... not only the European Union, for which, in fact - all this was carried out.
    Only even these guys are the most rotten - did not see.
    By 2030, Germany planned to close all existing nuclear power plants (today it is 6 power units). In total (again - today), nuclear power plants in Germany provide about 11% of the electricity demand.

    The problem is not what will happen - minus 11%. The problem is that energy consumption is growing. And even if 11% had stayed, they would have helped for a while, we must not stand still, but develop energy. And the one that really gives a stable and substantial generation. And here the choice is small, but Greta Tunberg forbids both options
  • Barmaleyka 2 February 2020 18: 23 New
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  • steelmaker 2 February 2020 18: 30 New
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    In January 2020, in Russia there were 11 nuclear power plants and 38 power units with a capacity of 30 GW.
    In the USA - 96 power units with a capacity of 97,6 GW. They generate 19,32% of electricity.
    France - 58 power units with a capacity of 61,1 GW.
    In China, there are 48 units of 45,6 GW. Also 13 are under construction and approximately 30 blocks are planned.
    Judging by these figures in Germany, the leaders have something wrong with their heads.
  • Svetlana 2 February 2020 18: 42 New
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    I live in Germany, today, I just counted it, I pay 2,5% of the net, family, monthly income for the light. Let tomorrow be 3%. Do not care. I will survive.
    Rs: Yes .. everywhere the ice-lamps and leaving, I put out the light. The refrigerator, like a three-year-old electricity eater, eats less than a little more.
    1. Petrol cutter 2 February 2020 18: 49 New
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      I agree. We should take care of our tariffs. In fact. And do not count strangers.
      And discuss the rationale for tariff setting. Bo do not walk down, they only walk up.
      1. Svetlana 2 February 2020 19: 01 New
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        Not only tariffs, but also transparent pricing.
        Once a year I get a full annual electricity bill, which shows how much I paid, how much resources I spent on my home and how much it cost. The difference is indicated at the end. The difference is both in the direction of the client and in the direction of the electricity supplier. For example, this year they return to me (not yet returned, but the payment has arrived) 125 with a penny of euros.
        ....
        In Russia, mine, at least those living in one of the regional towns, do not have such calculations yet.
    2. rocket757 2 February 2020 19: 38 New
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      I pay less than one percent for electricity!
      The bulbs are energy-saving, the technology is also modern, BUT !!! I’m not used to turning off the lights on time at home, I’m not used to sitting in the dark! Two fridge and a freezer, no one can peek at quick too!
      Yes, the house is fully autonomous, the well is an electric pumping station, and nobody is used to saving water, and due to poor water, it has a complicated cleaning system with its own pumping station .... plus any automation, water heating equipment and much more!
      By the way, and I have a solar "green" station ... as an emergency reserve.
      In short, according to German prices, but with our ability to "save" it would be sensitive.
      And I’ll tell you Malays, we would learn so .... but this is unlikely.
      1. Fikys 3 February 2020 12: 18 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        fully autonomous house

        Quote: rocket757
        I have a solar green station ... as an emergency reserve.

        Do not you think that these are somewhat contradictory statements? Full autonomy implies the absence of network connections. Where do you get electricity from?
        1. rocket757 3 February 2020 12: 38 New
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          Not an exact term indicated. The rural house, electricity and gas are centralized, in case of emergency there are gas reserves and an electric generator.
          The point is not that I am prudent so ... we DO NOT KEEP SAVING! if you act reasonably, economically, then the tariffs and the steeper did not bother us much.
          It’s me that conditions, external, teach me to restraint and rational approach, in everything.
          I do not criticize you, I would like to teach my own that when it is HOT, it is not necessary to freeze the windows, it is enough to correct the temperature on the boiler! After all, automation is everywhere.
          By the way, I have even less. I installed automation everywhere I can, but you can’t argue against human nature.
          1. Fikys 3 February 2020 12: 50 New
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            This is all familiar to me. Six years of full autonomy.
            1. rocket757 3 February 2020 13: 13 New
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              Not everyone considers the costs of automation and autonomy necessary. Also, they are in no hurry to warm houses ... it is better to have a "plate" on the roof and a sofa softer in front of the TV. And then they wonder why such bloated bills come when electricity is cut down, only a couple of houses on the entire street are lit, and gas analyzers are in no hurry to set up, and this is PROTECTION of life itself ... in short, maybe and however.
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      I live in Germany, today, I just counted it, I pay 2,5% of the net, family, monthly income for the light. Let tomorrow be 3%. Do not care. I will survive.
      Rs: Yes .. everywhere the ice-lamps and leaving, I put out the light. The refrigerator, like a three-year-old electricity eater, eats less than a little more.

      Excuse me, but what is your income per capita of your family?
      I have a friend who also lives in Germany.
      So, he writes that the cost of electric energy is “a little” more than yours.
      He has a family of four.
      If anything, then he is an "advanced" person, in the sense of education - a physicist.
      Location - a suburb of Berlin.
      1. Svetlana 5 February 2020 08: 23 New
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        Income per capita, in fact, does not matter with this calculation. Bo I said 2,5% of family income.
        But the family has two workers. Working in the specialty and receiving a normal salary. Your friend seems to be sitting on benefits and then, yes, the figure will be much higher.
  • Prisoner 2 February 2020 18: 54 New
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    And Shaw wanted? For "green" idiots who have not mastered the law of conservation of energy, you will have to pay in full!
    1. Prisoner 2 February 2020 19: 20 New
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      Do not worry, bro. laughing "Minus" is that? Zilch. laughing laughing laughing But the deb-il - under-education in power is a scandal!
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        Do you work in power structures? If "Yes", then this is very sad ...
        1. Prisoner 3 February 2020 14: 11 New
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          No, I’m not in power and I don’t work. winked
    2. Fikys 3 February 2020 12: 30 New
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      Please tell us exactly how renewables violate the law of conservation of energy? Don't you think that you should still think a little before you write such a frank heresy ?!
      1. Prisoner 3 February 2020 14: 09 New
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        The law of conservation of energy will break the bald line. Do not you think that it is more thoughtful to read posts before writing any heresy? hi https://rb.ru/story/vetryaki/
  • honest people 2 February 2020 19: 03 New
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    Quote: MMX
    Quote: honest people
    Quote: Spectrum
    Yeah! Correct, but very expensive. The cost of such electricity is greater than the electricity itself can produce. This is such a green business called.



    Photoshop, he can stand it. It’s possible to draw something different)))

    Изучай https://www.dw.com/ru/%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D1%81-%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D0%B8-%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B7-%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%BB%D1%8F-%D1%87%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%82-%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BA/a-49553816
  • Sasha_5 2 February 2020 19: 20 New
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    100 euros more per year. They will cry throughout Germany. They raised it by 600 rubles a month. Not like in Russia, where prices are reduced every year!
  • rocket757 2 February 2020 19: 21 New
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    Green mold she is! Like a real parasite. All the juices are sucked, and even with the top cover!
    Here competitors are formed when everything is German, the Geyropeisk will become even more expensive!
  • Chaldon48 2 February 2020 19: 31 New
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    In Germany, this is one thing, but what is happening with fuel and lubricants in our country?
  • Kulalex 2 February 2020 19: 41 New
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    There are several ways to deprive the state of sovereignty. There are several methods. Germany’s struggle for sovereignty brought Hitler to power with the ensuing consequences. The main question is who and what forces are involved in this process. At the end of February, people will take to the streets of Germany with the demand to close all nuclear and thermal stations. Prohibit all internal combustion vehicles, etc.
    You may ask how this is related to sovereignty? Without nuclear power plants and thermal power plants, the country cannot produce steel; electric cars can be stopped if you turn off the electricity for one night. Germany is forced to buy steel in third countries, and this is almost all the heavy and light industry. After the closure of nuclear power plants, Germany will depend on Russia, China, America and France. Cheap steel can only be obtained from Russia and China, and gas only from Russia. So who and why is pushing Germany into whose arms? Whose field is the green party playing on? How is it that the new generation is ready to drown its country for the sake of its stomach.
  • asv363 2 February 2020 19: 49 New
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    "In Germany, the situation in the electric power industry is becoming more complicated in connection with the successive steps taken by the country's authorities to abandon the operation of nuclear power plants. Recall that the Federal Republic of Germany, in fact acting on the orders of Brussels, is taking nuclear plants out of use - with the declared transition to green energy sources."
    It would be more correct to say that the German government decided to abandon the atom immediately after the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi NPP on March 11.03.2011, 3. During the year, 8 nuclear power plants were shut down; for the remaining 2022, a shutdown deadline of 2000 was introduced. As for the non-traditional types of generation (joint ventures, windmills), it began to subsidize Germany for private owners (individuals) almost immediately after XNUMX. That is, in essence, the energy policy of Germany laid the foundation for the requirements of the EU or Brussels, as the capital of European bureaucrats.
    There are no requirements for the abandonment of nuclear energy in the EU, there is a requirement for the share of alternative generation in electricity production by 2025-2050.
  • avdkrd 2 February 2020 19: 51 New
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    How can one make such large-scale decisions (on abandonment of nuclear power plants) based on the environmental conclusions of the Greens? Greenpeace and others are consistently lobbying the business concerned. There are no economically viable technologies for replacing nuclear power plants.
  • Victor March 47 2 February 2020 20: 13 New
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    Traditional generation, especially nuclear generation, cannot instantly turn on the reactor and turn off the reactor. Hydro cannot. ... Thermal cannot.

    The hydroelectric station can, and very quickly, these units are usually used as peak ones, the start time is a maximum of a minute.
    Atomic can't.
    Thermal - depend on the type of unit.
    There are half-peaks, with a special arrangement of boilers, they are capable of quick start and stop

    Have you tried to run a hydroturbine? What is good for rated revolutions, it is very hard to go during stops and acceleration. Or a well-calculated resonant frequency at a nominal value, far from destructive vibrations, or the frequency spectrum .... A pipe with a cross section of several tens of meters without water hammer .... Reset is an extraordinary mode. Re-switching of substations, load balancing throughout the reporting network ....
    It can be seen that you are not dealing with energy, but with an electrical outlet.
    And finally, such an unpleasant thing as the economy. Disabled equipment. Decrease in all key indicators. Simple equipment, but with taxes .... The normal thing is to have a Cadillac in the garage, serviceable and refueling, and ride a taxi. How do you like that? Do not agree? Why do you think others are fools?
    1. Avior 3 February 2020 00: 05 New
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      unlike you, I know what I'm writing about.
      I did not start the hydraulic turbine personally, but I was present.

      Hydraulic units are usually used as peak ones to ensure the stability of the power system, unless the water supply is large, then they can also be semi-peak, or they can be in constant mode

      Features
      The cost of electricity at Russian hydropower plants is more than two times lower than at thermal power plants. [1]
      Hydroelectric turbines allow operation in all modes from the first to maximum power and allow you to smoothly change the power if necessary, acting as a regulator of power generation.
      The hydraulic unit very quickly gains power after water supply (from zero to full power - from 30 seconds to 2 minutes), which allows you to use the hydroelectric power station in maneuverable mode ..


      do not reinvent the wheel.
      hi
    2. Avior 3 February 2020 00: 32 New
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      for information on the possibility of starting hydraulic units

      nothing has changed over the years
      1. Victor March 47 3 February 2020 00: 52 New
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        https://bezgin.su/pools
        https://aurora.network/articles/1-mirovoy-krizis/63697-prichiny-i-sledstvija

        Particulars do not save. Important strategy.
  • Victor March 47 2 February 2020 20: 25 New
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    Quote: Kulalex
    There are several ways to deprive the state of sovereignty. There are several methods. Germany’s struggle for sovereignty brought Hitler to power with the ensuing consequences. The main question is who and what forces are involved in this process. At the end of February, people will take to the streets of Germany with the demand to close all nuclear and thermal stations. Prohibit all internal combustion vehicles, etc.
    You may ask how this is related to sovereignty? Without nuclear power plants and thermal power plants, the country cannot produce steel; electric cars can be stopped if you turn off the electricity for one night. Germany is forced to buy steel in third countries, and this is almost all the heavy and light industry. After the closure of nuclear power plants, Germany will depend on Russia, China, America and France. Cheap steel can only be obtained from Russia and China, and gas only from Russia. So who and why is pushing Germany into whose arms? Whose field is the green party playing on? How is it that the new generation is ready to drown its country for the sake of its stomach.

    To get an answer, you need to ask a question - where did this idea come about? In which country? In other words, to ask that very ancient question asked even in Ancient Rome - Who benefits? I’m not sure, but it’s not necessary to look for the origins of this nonsense in Europe.

    “Campaigns within the framework of the“ European Year of Nature Conservation ”(1970), the UN Conference on the Environment in Stockholm (1972), as well as reports by scientists commissioned by the Club of Rome, an international group of politicians and representatives, attracted wide attention to environmental issues. of science and entrepreneurs, the first of which was the work of the researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Jay Forrester, Donella and Dennis Meadows et al. The limits of growth (1971–1972) - argued: if the existing trends of industrialization, pollution dy habitat, food production, and resource depletion as well as the growth of the world population will remain unchanged, then in the next one hundred years in the limited size of the planetary earth system will be reached the limits of growth. "
    1. gridasov 2 February 2020 21: 39 New
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      The danger lies elsewhere, namely that science is at an impasse and is not able to find real solutions to prevent collapse. It is not difficult to monitor advanced developments in the field of energy production, liquid waste disposal, desalination of salt water on a large scale. This is not to mention the creation of Water of various structural types. At the same time, there was a situation of a shortage of experts capable of identifying really promising areas of research. Really, no one has yet understood that, for example, the creation of heavy missiles with the necessary payload on modern fundamental scientific and technical solutions is impossible. Therefore, we are on the verge of a real stoppage of development, which is tantamount to balancing on a razor blade, and therefore crisis global processes.
  • Victor March 47 2 February 2020 21: 37 New
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    In China, renewable energy receives more electricity than Russia from all types of energy

    You drag the numbers, where to stick your chatter?
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      I, too, got mad from the PRC. Although ... If every Chinese man twists a couple of hours a bicycle generator ... And insert piezoelectric elements into the soles of the shoes. On the belt - a battery and - on foot, on run, on foot ...
  • Victor March 47 2 February 2020 21: 42 New
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    How can one make such large-scale decisions (on abandonment of nuclear power plants) based on the environmental conclusions of the Greens? Greenpeace and others are consistently lobbying the business concerned. There are no economically viable technologies for replacing nuclear power plants.

    And not only nuclear power plants. In each case, the benefit where there is precisely that resource is in sufficient quantity, and the transition to another ..... In the Krasnoyarsk Territory and TODAY, the cost of hydropower is a penny. The fact that the PRICE is so little connected things.
  • KrolikZanuda 2 February 2020 21: 45 New
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    Well, actually, good luck to Rosatom and development) 1,59 rubles at night and 3,22 in the afternoon per sq / h)))
    1. sgapich 3 February 2020 23: 42 New
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      Quote: KrolikZanuda
      ... 1,59 rubles at night and 3,22 in the afternoon per sq / h)))

      Tell me, please, in which city?
      PS I, in Moscow, in a house with an electric stove - 1,50 rubles at night and 5,35 rubles. in the afternoon.
      1. KrolikZanuda 5 February 2020 20: 15 New
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        Near Togliatti, the village of Podstёpki. Tariffs - http://www.samaraenergo.ru/fiz-licam/
  • Uve bjørnsson 2 February 2020 23: 40 New
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    Alternative energy-cut planetary scale.
  • Victor March 47 3 February 2020 00: 04 New
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    So it is necessary to build more nuclear power plants in the European part of Russia, and not only to sell electricity to Europe! "They will not take - turn off the gas!"

    Well, the nuclear power plant is certainly good ... I recall Fukushima immediately. But at the beginning of the last century, without technology, billions of dollars, Filipov found a way to extract and transfer energy to any distance. Moreover, almost free.
    By the way, I recall Tesla ..
    Here is one of his creations ...

    Nothing like no?
    And so ..

    This is a photo from an industrial exhibition of the beginning of the last century. And apparently they were exhibited at the church. laughing

    I repeat, this is a photo from an INDUSTRIAL exhibition, not a religious one. There is something to ponder.

    But the notion that Tesla did not generate energy, but focused on TRANSMISSION, no? Extremely low-efficiency wireless transmission will replace generation itself, or are these two different things? In the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev, uncle.
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      humanity remains at the level of understanding energy transfer only in a linear way. To understand what a spatial electronic magnetic circuit is and how to transform them, for this we need first of all an intellectual revolution
  • Victor March 47 3 February 2020 00: 12 New
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    Quote: gridasov
    The danger lies elsewhere, namely that science is at an impasse and is not able to find real solutions to prevent collapse. It is not difficult to monitor advanced developments in the field of energy production, liquid waste disposal, desalination of salt water on a large scale. This is not to mention the creation of Water of various structural types. At the same time, there was a situation of a shortage of experts capable of identifying really promising areas of research. Really, no one has yet understood that, for example, the creation of heavy missiles with the necessary payload on modern fundamental scientific and technical solutions is impossible. Therefore, we are on the verge of a real stoppage of development, which is tantamount to balancing on a razor blade, and therefore crisis global processes.

    Go and shoot yourself. Humanity will live on. Nature does NOTHING in vain. She gave a person exactly enough coal to get to gas technology. She gave enough gas to get to nuclear energy technology. She gave so much water to take thermonuclear energy from it for hundreds of millions of years. She gave so much silicon from which EVERYTHING can be made, from the strongest crystals, to semiconductors, and soft clothes.
    Science does not develop evenly. The emergence of new theories and ideas, discoveries, do not move the direction, all entirely for hundreds of years in advance. For this you need to accumulate a critical mass of knowledge.
  • Zomanus 3 February 2020 00: 17 New
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    Most likely they will buy electricity in foreign markets.
    And it will be cheaper than German ...
  • Victor March 47 3 February 2020 00: 25 New
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    NEXUS,

    Yes, N. Tesla with his tower in Wordencliffe made a noise.
    However, J.P. Morgan, for whose pennies the Great Scientist introduced his designs, pondered, it smells like kerosene, what a loot it would go by if everyone had access to energy for free and without any wires, and instantly closed the crane with financing, simultaneously organizing dirty media campaign against Scientist.
    So Kohl died, forgotten by everyone, but at least not by a homeless person, although he had good savings.
    The most offensive is that now rogue traders use His name in vain, without showing anything new to the world.
    Yes, yes, we are talking about Teslamobiles and other hybrids, which is Archaism in essence, but in a beautiful wrapper
    Passing, if not in the subject, at least do not expose your nonsense

    If Kohl was engaged in science, and not like Copperfield crap, there would be more sense.
    The only right thing is to disgrace Edison with his DC motors.
    Science recognizes only that when repeating an experiment, regardless of the name of the experimenter, place and time, the repetition follows the repetition, in strict accordance with the description of the discoverer. Otherwise, this is swindling.
    Since no one was able to repeat those discoveries, it means that Kolya is just a swindler. The engineer is good. But with conscience he is not at odds.
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      You are a good example of human perversity in understanding the meaning of certain creations of outstanding people. What can we say about the fact that it’s not possible for people like you to understand what electronic disturbances are having the parameters of a unidirectional vector and plus impulse. If on a simple basis, then the current combines the parameters of a constant and not intermittent, but an algorithmically constructed impulse. Modulation of such a disturbance is the basis of new electric generators and machines. Tesla and his ideas strove for this and became an impulse for further research and discoveries.
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    Quote: Victor_B
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    This is such a green business.
    Nothing personal!

    So, warming is needed to fight carbon dioxide emissions, only here is there a reason for it and at the same time they are silent about methane ...
    Methane is the strongest greenhouse gas, about 30 times more efficient than CO2. Today, the concentration of methane in the atmosphere is about two parts per million. With these values, the methane contribution to the global greenhouse effect is estimated by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) at 30 percent of the CO2 contribution.
    If only two percent of methane hidden in Arctic gas hydrate deposits is released into the atmosphere, its concentration in air will increase by two to three times and its role in the greenhouse effect will be equal to carbon dioxide, which the entire world community is now urging to fight against. In addition, methane emissions lead to the so-called positive feedback loop: as the planet heats up, more methane is released, which further enhances global warming. https://ria.ru/20191208/1562066434.html

    There are poor ladybugs, 1,5 billion of which on the planet emit 18% of methane, as established by the United Nations Food Organization (FAO).
    The question is, having mastered trillions and reduced carbon dioxide emissions by the year 30 or 50, will they be able to live in that Europe now, as there were reports and deadly heat, shallowing of rivers (more than ten so-called "hungry stones" ...), hurricanes ....