Dismantling the arena in St. Petersburg: what happened at the Peterburgsky JCC

The network is discussing the demolition of the sports and concert complex "Petersburg". This demolition was filmed by cameras drones. At the same time, it turned out that the cameras also captured the tragedy: during the dismantling, one worker was under the rubble of a huge structure.

Earlier it became known that the concessionaire is planning to build the newest ice arena for 25 billion rubles on the site of the Peterburgsky JCC. This, as stated in the project, will be the largest ice arena in the world.

In the program of Konstantin Semin, the question is asked: why spend such an impressive amount of money on an object that first of all looks like a PR campaign, if only a hundred kilometers from the same Peter can you find villages and small towns with devastation?

According to Konstantin Semin, expressed in the Agitprop program, the dismantling of the structure in the Northern capital once again showed that the main law for modern business is the earliest possible profit.

Story author:

Raspadskaya, Lame Horse, Winter Cherry are examples of business owners never being guilty.

So this time, the representatives of the owner are trying to blame the worker himself for violating safety rules. And was this safety initially observed when organizing work?

The author states that "capitalism kills."

Questions on dismantling, questions on the need for a new arena in St. Petersburg:

Comments

[FORCE 38GB]

While in the first place there will be money and profit - the situation will not change ....

[Spektr]

Banal non-observance of safety precautions during construction work. At construction sites this is a common thing. The reason is inconsistency or poor safety control.

[lucul]

Banal non-observance of safety precautions during construction work.

The price of the issue - it was only necessary to move the cradle - but it was strong for someone in the "scrap" - and this is clearly not for this worker, the hike hefty greyhound there and the crane driver was ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: Spectrum

Banal non-observance of safety precautions during construction work. At construction sites this is a common thing. The reason is inconsistency or poor safety control.

Nefig was contractors in pursuit of profits to hire low-skilled foreign "labor" migrants for construction work with fake, as a rule, they have documents that they allegedly have construction specialties!

Surely, the cause of the tragedy is precisely in attracting unskilled workers from the composition of foreign "labor" migrants to construction work by contractors!

[lwxx]

Surely, the cause of the tragedy is precisely in attracting unskilled workers from the composition of foreign "labor" migrants to construction work by contractors!

just our guys. They promised 8tr per day, insisted on violation of TB, did not provide with safety equipment. Sorry for the guy, but you need to think with your head.

[Tatyana]

Quote: lwxx

just our guys. They promised 8tr per day, insisted on violation of TB, did not provide with safety equipment. Sorry for the guy, but you need to think with your head.

I worked for 1,5 years in construction - in the company of the customer as an engineer for the construction of a residential building.
At our construction site, a Russian woman painter also died before me - the mother of 3 children without a husband. And she died precisely because of guest workers. They poorly fixed the professional sheet on the Balkan on the 5th floor, and it was blown away by the wind in the morning, and just at that time she was walking around the yard to the change house. Well, it was cut with this iron sheet along the body from the shoulder to the waist.
Our chief of technical supervision, also a Russian, was dragged through the investigation to a heart attack and disability. And after 2 years he died at the age of only 42 years old! And he, too, was the father of 2 children.
Well, the guilty guest workers were blown away the same day as the wind blew - so none of them were found! The case was closed.

I can tell a lot about construction personnel and migrant workers. I know them as flaky - and how they work; and how much they actually earn, and what they think about us Russians!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Tatiana

I can tell a lot about construction personnel and migrant workers. I know them as flaky - and how they work; and how much they actually earn, and what they think about us Russians!

Due to the fact that they agree to work for a lower salary than ours, they forced our professional builders out of the labor market. The quality of work has fallen, but it is cheaper for our and not our bourgeois to build an object and they joyfully rub their hands. It is cheaper for them to buy an acceptance commission than to pay a normal salary to builders professionals.

[Lexus]

For the bourgeoisie, only money has "kinship". And workers have the value of slaves / serfs. None.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Just passing by the CCM
The fact that a person is dead is bad, but in fact another Darwin Award participant, which is now promoted to all and sundry (inscriptions on the fence, speech on the camera, etc.). Especially for 8t.r. a day, I could buy a rope in the nearest building market and make insurance for myself, as they say, if he himself did not want to take care of his safety, then there is nothing to cry.

[FORCE 38GB]

Not dead, but Killed !!! Think head when you type .. This is a man and not cattle.

[ProkletyiPirat]

exactly, "Chicken is not a bird, a woman is not a man" man is an animal, a beast is an animal, an animal is dead ... Or are you so arrogant, hypocritical and spoiled that you do not consider yourself an animal? )

Quote: "wikipedia"

The Darwin Awards are a virtual anti-award that is awarded annually to people who have died in the most stupid way or have lost the ability to have children and as a result have deprived themselves of the opportunity to contribute to the gene pool of humanity, thereby potentially improving it.

Have you read it? Now tell me if it is worth giving this bonus to a person who has carried out dangerous work at heights, who has insurance (video below from "Genry") and at the same time has untied himself from the insurance? (video of the destruction of the SCC filmed from a drone)

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: FORCE 38RUS

Not dead, but Killed !!! Think head when you type .. This is a man and not cattle.

It was the "people" with such a worldview that "worked" in the Sonderkommando. So, there is no need to be surprised.

[karabass]

Yes, no, it's probably a builder, engineers and technicians write, understands that the superintendent is being dragged now because of this fool, he’s already dead, he doesn’t care, but the superintendent is responsible. I am also a builder, I saw a lot of all kinds of fools - one cut off the remote platform, at a twenty-meter mark, and the belt carabiner fastened to it! Cut off and flew! The foreman was given conditionally

[Genry]

Quote: lwxx

They promised 8tr per day, insisted on violation of TB, did not provide with safety equipment.

Don’t fool around ...
They had safety ends .... There was no caution.

[_Sergei_]

There was a safety belt, it was not enough to the place of cut. It was necessary to tie the two belts, although this is also a violation, or the cradle is closer to bring. And he just went. And so he could at least hang on the cradle. The one who gave the command to climb out and go to the place of cut is to blame, but he himself had to think with his head.

[svd-xnumx]

There was a safety belt, it was not enough to the place of cut. It was necessary to tie two belts,

This is not a safety rope, but a misunderstanding. When welding (and I think the work with a torch can be attributed to them), the belt halyard should be made of non-combustible materials, i.e. a chain.

1.1. Work at heights includes work in which:

there are risks associated with the possible fall of an employee from a height of 1,8 m or more, including:
when an employee climbs to a height of more than 5 m or descends from a height of more than 5 m along a ladder, the angle of inclination of which to a horizontal surface is more than 75 °;
when carrying out work on sites at a distance closer than 2 m from unshielded differences in height of more than 1,8 m, and also if the height of the protective fencing of these sites is less than 1,1 m;
there are risks associated with the possible fall of an employee from a height of less than 1,8 m, if work is carried out on machines or mechanisms, the surface of a liquid or bulk fine materials, protruding objects.

88 Safety systems for work at heights are designed:
a) to hold the employee in such a way that a fall from height is prevented (systems
retention or positioning);
b) to safely stop the fall (safety system) and reduce the severity of the consequences of stopping
falls;
c) for rescue and evacuation.
98 Safety systems for work at heights consist of:
a) an anchor device;
b) harness (safety harness, for holding, for positioning, for sitting position);
c) the connecting-shock-absorbing subsystem (slings, ropes, carbines, shock absorbers, means
retractable type protection, slider type fall protection on flexible or rigid anchor
lines).

[_Sergei_]

This is not a safety belt at all, but a rope with a carbine.

[New Year day]

Quote: Tatiana

Nefig was to contractors ...

The general contract for dismantling was received by the company SpetsStroyMontazh, which distributed the work into two subcontracts: the roof was occupied by AN Dorstroystrans, and reinforced concrete by SK Pride.

AN Dorstroystrans:
Authorized capital - 30 rubles
the main activity is Truck freight transport
The leader is Alzor Anzor Ali-Magometovich.
That's all!
The Russian guy came from Petrozavodsk to earn money, and Mr. Aliev, a specialist in freight transport, received in a row for the dismantling of a tall building (height 40 m), and ordinary Russian guys for 8 thousand a day risked their lives. How much does this work cost? How much Aliyev did she want to get?

[Lexus]

Aliyev, a specialist in freight transport, received a contract for the dismantling of a high-rise structure (height 40 m)

Directly "unique" character, worthy of inclusion in the reserve of management personnel.

[Flatter]

Cutting, as they decided, was impossible there at all. (Only by installing supports or jacks under the roof). The imbalance of forces led to the destruction. A complete lack of technical knowledge, it is useless to seek safety.

[demo]

The worker cutting the fastening of structures located at high altitude does not have a safety belt and a cable fixed to the cradle.
That beats me.
One question arises - did anyone check the sanity of this worker?
Okay.
Let’s not think and speak badly of the deceased.
But facts are an obstinate force.

And why was it necessary to cut off with a burner?
After all, there is quite a simple way - to attach a small amount of explosives to the guys (or whatever was holding it).
A one-time blast and the entire roof would fall into the arena.

And now Semin and his comrades will make an elephant out of a fly.

Capitalism, in addition to squeezing all the juices out of a person, also takes care that all the juices are not squeezed out of them themselves later.

As a professional builder, I somehow fell into the hands of an American contract translated into Russian.
We have it called the gene contract agreement.
4-5-6 pages.

American - 187 pages.
All possible and not possible cases from life are taken into account there.
Even the testimony of the Director General that on Saturday will arrive at the facility is explained.
I cried and laughed.

What is it for?
Yes, so that later, the most democratic court in some Oklahoma did not recognize the company as responsible and did not solder a fine of 10-20 million dollars.

So let Semin not bother.
Our homegrown capitalism has not yet reached the highest stage.
That the worker, that the CEO - everyone thinks the same way - maybe it’ll blow.

[seti]

Quote: demo

The worker cutting the fastening of structures located at high altitude does not have a safety belt and a cable fixed to the cradle.
That beats me.
One question arises - did anyone check the sanity of this worker?
Okay.
Let’s not think and speak badly of the deceased.
But facts are an obstinate force.

And why was it necessary to cut off with a burner?
After all, there is quite a simple way - to attach a small amount of explosives to the guys (or whatever was holding it).
A one-time blast and the entire roof would fall into the arena.

And now Semin and his comrades will make an elephant out of a fly.

Capitalism, in addition to squeezing all the juices out of a person, also takes care that all the juices are not squeezed out of them themselves later.

As a professional builder, I somehow fell into the hands of an American contract translated into Russian.
We have it called the gene contract agreement.
4-5-6 pages.

American - 187 pages.
All possible and not possible cases from life are taken into account there.
Even the testimony of the Director General that on Saturday will arrive at the facility is explained.
I cried and laughed.

What is it for?
Yes, so that later, the most democratic court in some Oklahoma did not recognize the company as responsible and did not solder a fine of 10-20 million dollars.

So let Semin not bother.
Our homegrown capitalism has not yet reached the highest stage.
That the worker, that the CEO - everyone thinks the same way - maybe it’ll blow.

I completely agree. He also had the old contract (as a model) on the construction of a small extension (vestibule) to a house in England. He was struck by his pedantry. Only workers with the right to carry out this work (digging with a bulldozer, cementing, fabrication of metal structures and masonry could do the work. Probably everything was discussed. Prices were set for all types of work, the guarantee concerned everything.
I'm afraid to imagine how much time all this drafting cost us and how much money I got. I am a patriot, but this approach inspires respect. It is necessary to strive for this.

[_Sergei_]

For explosives, special permission is needed, but the contractor did not have one.

[demo]

Special licensed companies have special permissions.
No construction company will receive special permits for all possible occasions in life.
It rocks work with fissile materials, biological components, strong chemically active, etc.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Banal non-observance of safety measures during blasting operations.

[To be or not to be]

The former .SKK "Yubileiny" .. It was beautiful at one time and a historical object - Built in 1967, it got its name in honor of the 50th anniversary of Soviet power .. !! First, they took the name. And now they sent me to retirement.

[Tatyana]

Quote: To be or not to be

Former .SCK "Yubileiny" .. It was beautiful at one time and a historical object - Built in 1967, it got its name in honor of the 50th anniversary of Soviet power .. !! First, the name was taken away. And now and sent to rest.

Yeah! As they say, BREAK - DO NOT BUILD!

[New Year day]

Quote: Tatiana

As they say, BREAK - DO NOT BUILD!

under the Union they built for decades and it worked and still works, but now they can’t even really break it.

[nikvic46]

Sylvester. We must be able to break too. We broke a pipe from a boiler room in 1977. We watched them during breaks. We managed for a week. We got 5000 rubles for three.

[Igor Polovodov]

Very sorry...

[anjey]

Yes, it's a pity, I would have stood for another half a century, like that near him in the parking lot, they put their Supermaz, they themselves in the hotel "Russia", most likely the dismantling contractors, decided to save on explosives and blasting works, capitalism is like that, life for him Russian worker a penny and the life of a Jewish drug addict (article earlier) is a bargaining chip in political games.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: To be or not to be

Former .SCK "Yubileiny"

Who will tell me - he was in disrepair? Did not perform your functions?

[Flatter]

You are mistaken. The Yubileiny Sports Palace remains in its place, the Petrograd side, and functions.
This was called the CCM. Lenin, built in 1979, on the other side of the city, in the Moscow region

[To be or not to be]

God forbid that I was mistaken for a long time there, in the last century

[Finches]

Criminal negligence and sloppiness! And all because Russia is turning from a country of engineers and designers into a country of traders and hucksters! But the new doctors and candidates are like uncut dogs, even in barrels of salt!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Finches

Criminal negligence and sloppiness! And all because Russia is turning from a country of engineers and designers into a country of traders and hucksters! But the new doctors and candidates are like uncut dogs, even in barrels of salt!

Probably it is. Traders and hucksters, they are intermediaries, which are more and more in everything.
last year or 2018 a Tajik worker fell and a construction worker died
in Volkhov, under the rubble, two workers died
In 2011 or 2010, the O'KEY roof collapsed in Ozerki, the employee died, the snow was cleaned by non-Russian workers on the roof
Also in 2010 or 2011, the Housing Office sent a very young Tajik to the sloping roof, the old foundation, to clean the snow without anything.
It comes to mind not from gears. Actually more like that.

[Cowbra]

Quote: FORCE 38RUS

While in the first place there will be money and profit - the situation will not change ....

Wrong. A well-built - even such a system - also gives advantages. An example is the World Cup-18. Two arenas. The saw-cut arena in St. Petersburg ... And the Otkrytie stadium. So that's it. listen here: Opening - Fedun built for his own money, from the state budget - zero. It didn’t remain a waste, the stadium was built, it has already paid off, I don’t know who suffered from this?
At the forefront of this construction is profit, but because he built a private trader for himself ... No special excesses, and corruption did not work out. Believe, try me, since I hired you for my money. Turn the fur inside. I don’t draw money. He built to make a profit - and he got it!
And now - the stadium in St. Petersburg. And then it's fun. There is no private trader there. Get profit from it - who was planning there? There was no money and profit in the first place. the stadium in fact and now has no owner. tenant. And a complete mess, everyone lost - from St. Petersburg children's homes (not my words, Boyarsky, a fan of Zenith), to the city. The city is now behind the stadium. for the sake of which even the metro system was suspended - it receives a rent of 1 (one) ruble per year.
And if there would be a specific owner. who needs money ... At the head and in the corner?

[BIABIA]

It is interesting to meet a Spartak fan from russfootball on "Military Review")))
I am also red and white)
On the topic, saved on explosives, clearly. Scary frames from the drone, when this hard worker for a split second does not have time to run up to the cradle ....

[Cowbra]

And you just say rufushnyh that the topics of HE are directly related? Cap-2, or three Podolsk, each with two lumens?
Write, and about the creepy shots, it’s you who didn’t get involved with the construction site, there was a morum there, and what happened before ...
Remember the Scarlet Scandal in Scarlet Sails? During the construction of the complex - two cabs were gouged, so for sure, or what else was - not in the know, both times with corpses. Moscow, but no yelling. Podoh Trofim - and to hell with him, now better - but not by much, such troubles also happen ...

[Svarog]

The author states that "capitalism kills."

It's hard to disagree with this ..

The northern capital has once again shown that the main law for modern business is the earliest possible profit.

Why spend such an impressive amount of money on an object that first of all looks like a PR event, if only a hundred kilometers from the same St. Petersburg you can find villages and small towns with devastation?

Well, of course, to "earn" or master ..

[Arlen]

Quote: Svarog

Well, how, to "earn" or master

As JV Stalin said in "Class Struggle"

The reduction of wages, the increase in the working day, the weakening of the proletariat and the destruction of its organizations — such is the goal of a universal alliance of capitalists.

[Lamata]

Well, of course, you need to get the biggest leu arena in the world, otherwise a piece will not go up your throat

[lucul]

So this time, the representatives of the owner are trying to blame the worker himself for violating safety rules. And was this safety initially observed when organizing work?

It is necessary to exact unequivocally from the owner. So that he hires qualified personnel, and not guest workers Ravshanov and Dzhamshuti, who take away the pension from the Russians.

[Mavrikiy]

In addition, an idiotic scheme for cutting membrane suspension units was implemented. the loops were cut sequentially, instead of cutting them after 2, then through one. On vidio it is clearly visible. 11-00.

[Flatter]

The statement of the problem is to cut off 112 pylons of the circle holding the roof. If you hadn’t cut it off, at any moment the roof would collapse down with an unknown bias, grabbing both the ring and the supports, which happened.
It's just that the blatant ignorance of people completely far from technical issues. It’s a pity the welder, he understood the danger, judging by the record, but did not refuse.

[Mavrikiy]

If you cut through 2, then 1, it will break with an "unknown skew", but much less, and not "grabbing the ring".

[Rostislav]

Poor organization of work on the site led to tragedy. Condolences.
And for some reason they want to recover everything from the owner.
Do you see the difference between the director and the owner of the enterprise? Which of them deals with operational management and is responsible for everything that happens in the company? Who exercises control over compliance with TB? - Owner? Director? The foreman? Foreman? TB engineer?
It is sad to hear such calls, because usually, after the call to "collect from the owner" there is an offer to share ..
Although many are of little concern, since see what is happening through the prism "a thief stole a club from a thief."

[Lamata]

And who hired the incompetent director? Owner. And yes, most of the blame on operational management.

[lucul]

Do you see the difference between the director and the owner of the enterprise? Which of them deals with operational management and is responsible for everything that happens in the company?

You are like a schoolboy ....
In the West, the owner is always to blame - that is why, in order not to be guilty, the owner also employs professionals in which such incidents are minimized.

[Leonido www]

why Beglov is not responsible for this decision, his decision on demolition / reconstruction led to this result. or find a switchman with suspension and subsequent appointment? * ??

[Whisper]

From the cradle, the fence on the ring prevented work. It was necessary to cut it first, and then cut the guys from the cradle. And so shame and tragedy. And in general, what were they waiting for ... when thousands of tons begin to fall ......

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Sheptun

It was necessary to cut it first, and then cut the guys from the cradle

A mounting belt to the cradle would be enough.

[Cetron]

The worker’s strange belt, especially the carabiner of the stub loop, is very small, like that of climbers. Mounting is three times more so that you can catch on almost any design. In the frames, the worker is trying to hook on the cradle, the carbine does not climb. It seems he worked for the first time at the height, the belt was given out which caught his eye - the first one that was used by industrial climbers to clean the roofs from snow.

[Zaurbek]

It is not known where safety measures are better observed ... under socialism or under capitalism. And each such case is just that. If you exclude malicious intent.

[Free wind]

On January 25, a truck crane collapsed from a bridge over the Chulym River near Achinsk, Krasnoyarsk Territory, and the crane driver died. The truck crane worked without fully exposed supports, the authorities forbade it, otherwise it is necessary to block the movement, and this is the cost ......... The supports were actually released under themselves. As a result, the crane operator in the ground, well, they will make him guilty, just like you accuse this unfortunate one.

[ODERVIT]

I watched, not knowing the reasons, special vehicles rushing to the area of ​​the SKK. I live at a distance of two or three stops. I remember well the construction of the complex, I happened to attend concerts and sports events there. In St. Petersburg, disputes arose about the need to preserve it as a monument of past years. Indeed, at the start of construction, the "suspended" roof technology was unique, previously the same was used in Jubilee, but the arena is much smaller there. In its current state, the SKK was in a depressing state, mainly outlets remained there, car dealerships and concerts were occasionally held. I am for the demolition of the old one and the construction of a new one, modern for the World Cup in hockey. BUT after the incident I am at a loss - who, where and when developed the technical design for dismantling, who carried out the examination, who approved ....? Is it possible to disassemble a suspended roof in such a primitive way?

[mmaxx]

It is not even clear why they took such a risk. The calculated annular charges (small) of the plastite would kill all the mounts at the same time. Violations of OT are evident, maybe all. In the end, maybe the bosses did it all. But work from a cradle is clearly risky already. One must have strong nerves to hang out in a cradle on a crane. Some heart attacks may suffice from this.

[smart fellow]

Feast in Time of Plague.

[hermit]

Sorry for the man, sorry for the CCM. These and the Colosseum in Rome would be demolished, give them free rein. Old and fell apart. And let's build a new and modern one in its place. With the latest technology.

[savage1976]

Well, yes, yes, how something happened in modern Russia, such as the dismantling of the country, and how in the USSR workers were mutilated every day, this is for the good of the country's development and for the victory of the proletariat around the world. Agitprop used to give interesting and competent material, now it has slipped to the press, the yellow one will be more balanced.

[Leonido www]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: lwxx

just our guys. They promised 8tr per day, insisted on violation of TB, did not provide with safety equipment. Sorry for the guy, but you need to think with your head.

I worked for 1,5 years in construction - in the company of the customer as an engineer for the construction of a residential building.
At our construction site, a Russian woman painter also died before me - the mother of 3 children without a husband. And she died precisely because of guest workers. They poorly fixed the professional sheet on the Balkan on the 5th floor, and it was blown away by the wind in the morning, and just at that time she was walking around the yard to the change house. Well, it was cut with this iron sheet along the body from the shoulder to the waist.
Our chief of technical supervision, also a Russian, was dragged through the investigation to a heart attack and disability. And after 2 years he died at the age of only 42 years old! And he, too, was the father of 2 children.
Well, the guilty guest workers were blown away the same day as the wind blew - so none of them were found! The case was closed.

I can tell a lot about construction personnel and migrant workers. I know them as flaky - and how they work; and how much they actually earn, and what they think about us Russians!

I hold. For many years I have been working as a foreman / chief teacher at construction sites in St. Petersburg. I have never seen as many "Italians" as the last 7-8 years, before they were scattered workers and teams, now - complex teams. their leaders persuade them to work, meet deadlines, help subcontractors. But this is not the worst thing ... It's scary when the Federation Council says that we will raise the demography at the expense of these migrants .... Matvienko is the author of this pearl.

after such an opus, from the lips of one of our sellers of statehood, no good future is expected for our children, there will be no incentive and prospects for our women to give birth to babies to raise demographics, stupid people in the government, and their policies will never contribute to raising the birth rate.
If our GDP wants this, it is necessary to take measures that will allow our population to look into the future with confidence and know that the state is not an empty phrase, but strength. and there is no stronger force in the state than the opinion of its people - because state for the people, and not for some representatives of this people who robbed the people. and privatization will have to be reviewed .....

[karabass]

I am also a builder and what do you dislike about Uzbeks? They work better than ours. Good people, no worse than us. And to help free rivals free then - they’ll do it right, it’s not rams, otherwise we have such engineers and equipment as what to unload - that’s how it goes to the Uzbeks. I strictly forbid my obey any engineering except me
Of the minuses - the only thing - if there is a delay in salary, ours can wait for the Uzbeks no, immediately go on strike