Partnership - yes, friendship is in question: the main contradictions between Russia and Turkey


Relations between Russia and Turkey have never been simple. For centuries, our countries have been at war with each other, but trade and cultural ties were no less close. Now Moscow and Ankara are increasingly cooperating with each other, but there are also big contradictions.


After the “black line” in relations between the two countries, caused by the attack of the Turkish Air Force on a Russian plane in Syria, Russia and Turkey eventually restored their former ties. An unconditional breakthrough in Russian-Turkish relations was the sale of Turkey S-400. Ankara has shown the United States independence in foreign policy and, if necessary, will closely cooperate with Russia. Initially, our countries managed to come to an agreement in Syria, too, but now Erdogan’s harsh words to Moscow have again sounded and there are reasons for this.

Russia and Turkey, given the totality of geographical, historical, political factors, will always remain rivals. The ideal state for relations between the two countries is partnership. But one cannot speak about Russian-Turkish friendship at the level of states, and not people or public organizations. Too many contradictions between the two countries.

Now the interests of Russia and Turkey are clearly diverging in Libya and Syria. Ankara accused Russia of transferring mercenaries to Libya, where they allegedly fight on the side of the troops of Marshal Khalifa Haftar. In Syria, Turkey is unhappy with the bombing of radicals from the anti-Assad opposition who have settled in Idlib, in which Ankara has its own views. But these are superficial contradictions.

The core lies deeper - in Turkey's desire to revive its former power. A century passed after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and for Turkey it was by no means magnificent. The country was modernized, but also was in the wake of US foreign policy, was forced to act not so much in its own, but in American interests. But Turkish is too large история, Turkish ambitions are too great to be content with the role of an ordinary Middle Eastern country. And at some point in Ankara they realized that they were already able to declare themselves at least as a regional power.


Ottoman Empire. XVIII century

The Turkish geopolitical renaissance is often called the neo-Ottoman project of Erdogan. Of course, it is impossible to revive the Ottoman Empire, but Ankara does not hide the claims for a special role in the countries that once were part of the Shining Port. The same Syria, Iraq, Libya - the traditional sphere of interests of Turkey. But the strengthening of Turkish positions in these countries is not at all profitable for Russia.

We need pan-Turkism even less, which Ankara is not going to refuse either. Turkey has always laid claim to the role of a kind of leader of the entire Turkic world and, on this basis, has maintained close ties with political and public organizations in the republics of Central Asia, Transcaucasia, the North Caucasus, and the Volga region. Be that as it may, in Ankara not only Libya or Syria, but also many territories of the former post-Soviet space and even Russia are considered “historically” “their own”. And although Turkish politicians do not officially talk about this, numerous Turkish cultural centers, language schools, and youth education programs from Turkish-speaking republics in Turkey are the best evidence of this.

On the other hand, Turkey is well aware that Russia is a major economic partner. Turkish business is very interested in contacts with Russian companies, in Russian tourists and consumers. In addition, Ankara will always need Russia as a counterweight to the United States and Europe: now Erdogan can at any time show Washington or Brussels his readiness to deepen relations with Moscow.

Russia is also interested in Turkey, and not only as a buyer of energy resources, but now also weapons. By “pulling” Turkey out of the orbit of US and NATO influence, Russia also ensures the protection of its own geopolitical interests in the Middle East and the Eastern Mediterranean. Of course, one cannot speak of any strong friendship, but neutrality, partnership, and in some cases tactical alliances - why not.
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  1. lwxx 2 February 2020 14: 27 New
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    A century passed after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and for Turkey it was by no means magnificent. The country was modernized, but also was in the wake of US foreign policy, was forced to act not so much in its own, but in American interests.
    And before that, she served the interests of small Britain.
    1. Grandfather 2 February 2020 14: 34 New
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      Partnership - yes, friendship is in question: the main contradictions between Russia and Turkey
      Putin’s duck and partner states .... and "to whom the bride is a mare."
  2. Same lech 2 February 2020 14: 34 New
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    By “pulling” Turkey out of the orbit of US and NATO influence, Russia also ensures the protection of its own geopolitical interests in the Middle East and the Eastern Mediterranean.


    Yeah, you might think the Turks don’t understand this ... they are cooperating with Russia so far and it’s beneficial for them and at any moment the vector of Turkey can change ... Erdogan can already sharpen his scimitar behind Putin’s back ... and I don’t doubt he’ll stick him in the back with smile at the right time.
    1. Grandfather 2 February 2020 14: 55 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      Yeah, you might think the Turks do not understand this ...

      to a point, Erdogan behaves arrogantly and boorishly, understanding EVERYTHING.
    2. Chaldon48 5 February 2020 08: 13 New
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      In the next 20-30 years, in the relations between Russia and Turkey, I think little will change if there is no shock, for example, a major skirmish with Ukraine.
  3. Hunter 2 2 February 2020 14: 38 New
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    I’m tormented by the question of who and when and at what level stated that We and the Turks are friends ??? We have never been and never will be friends. Neighbors not warring - Yes, be required. We will also trade, jointly solve the problems of the Mediterranean region! Moreover, each country will first of all defend its National interests.
    All Politics consists of the ability to negotiate rather than make friends!
    1. Sergey39 2 February 2020 14: 51 New
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      Well, our most important interest is to increase the importance of Turkey at the same time is a decrease in US influence, which is important for us at this stage.
    2. Essex62 2 February 2020 20: 43 New
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      You can negotiate to certain borders. Sooner or later, the moment comes when the partner (to what exact definition) tries to determine in a known position. So it was more than once with another such "partner." And noodles on the ears, about the confrontation, tactical moves, in the name of the greatness of Russia crawled long before Vladik and crossed the state border.
    3. for
      for 3 February 2020 00: 16 New
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      Quote: Hunter 2
      I’m tormented by the question of who and when and at what level stated that We and the Turks are friends ???

      So it was necessary to trade in tomatoes and rest there to go, and not to build flows there and sell es.
  4. Engineer Schukin 2 February 2020 14: 44 New
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    On the other hand, Turkey is well aware that Russia is a major economic partner

    So important that Russia's share in Turkish exports is ~ 2%
    1. Local from the Volga 2 February 2020 18: 16 New
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      balabol !!!
      1. Engineer Schukin 3 February 2020 06: 49 New
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        Well, you see what the difference is between us, I can answer for the data provided by me, but you cannot answer for your words.
  5. Ross xnumx 2 February 2020 14: 44 New
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    By “pulling” Turkey out of the orbit of US and NATO influence, Russia also ensures the protection of its own geopolitical interests in the Middle East and the Eastern Mediterranean.

    “Pulling” Turkey, “pulling” Venezuela, “dragging” the countries of Africa, “providing” Europe, “sponsoring” China ...
    And, in fact, the dubbing of Russian geopolitical interests did not take place. What are the interests? And what price has to be paid so that they are pursued by anyone?
    After the deployment of American missiles in Turkey, which almost led the world to disaster due to the “nervousness” of Khrushchev and Kennedy, the relative freshness of Turkish tomatoes, the cleanliness of their beaches and the comfort of the hotels, not to mention a series of tragic events, did not cause guaranteed confidence.
    As well as the fact that there is a difference between “Russian” and “our” (our) interests.
    hi
  6. rocket757 2 February 2020 14: 45 New
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    The normal term used, TRAVELERS.
    As long as the road leads in one direction, you can cooperate, even overcome difficulties, as it were, together. Just do not forget that the paths of the track can go right at any time.
    1. cniza 2 February 2020 17: 25 New
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      Fellow travelers and purely temporary ...
      1. Terenin 2 February 2020 18: 51 New
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        Quote: cniza
        Fellow travelers and purely temporary ...

        Yes, and along the historical path
        relations between Russia and Turkey have never been simple. For centuries, our countries have fought with each other,

        1. cniza 2 February 2020 18: 54 New
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          The historical advantage is on our side, and most importantly the truth is ours. hi
  7. Lamata 2 February 2020 14: 47 New
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    Just no, no Turks are strolling back and forth. Yes, let’s see that with prices for the Turkish stream will be
    1. Grandfather 2 February 2020 15: 03 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      Just no, no Turks are strolling back and forth.

      the Turks don’t throw it back and forth, there’s just such a term in navigation: "go tacked" - that’s it.
      1. Lamata 2 February 2020 15: 44 New
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        say in modern multi-directional politics.
  8. Arlen 2 February 2020 14: 52 New
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    By “pulling” Turkey out of the orbit of US and NATO influence, Russia also ensures the protection of its own geopolitical interests in the Middle East and the Eastern Mediterranean.

    Modern Turkey, with its president Erdogan, is trying to restore the influence of the Ottoman Empire. When these plans are achieved, Turkey will have, arise, clashes with the interests of Russia in the region, it can partially be said that such clashes are already taking place in Syria and in some way in Libya. So what kind of partnership and friendship can we talk about? Again one-goal game? And Turkey is not particularly in a hurry to leave NATO.
  9. megadeth 2 February 2020 15: 04 New
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    "Partnership - yes, friendship is in question: the main contradictions between Russia and Turkey." Turkey is forgiven for gas because of gas, Israel too (drug addicts are released) ........ I'm talking about downed Russian planes. It is difficult to understand the foreign policy of our state ... With Turkey they rule gas and tomatoes. And with Israel ???
    1. Essex62 2 February 2020 21: 06 New
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      What is there to understand? These very ones rule, you read the list of money bags of the Russian Federation and no questions arise. They are Russian people and Russian interests are not at all interesting. And if you recall those who rule from behind a puddle ...
  10. parusnik 2 February 2020 15: 11 New
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    Be friends with Turkey, and keep the powder dry ...
  11. Anwar-oglu 2 February 2020 15: 52 New
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    Something friendship with the Turks, like fraternal neighbors, in one direction. They are with us and for us at the expense of. Although Krajina 404, even though sovereign Belarus, and the Kazakhs are on their own mind. Somehow these nationals know how to use capitalism in their own interests, and we, like Vanya, are all in vain, like a teddy bear from a cunning guy. Belarusians at the expense of the Russian Federation almost built a nuclear power plant for free. It will pay off if it does not become a US colony, like Ukrainians, in 50 years. Turks also have a nuclear power plant for free, a gas pipeline. In fact, the Turks agreed after long persuasion to take part in the sharing of Russian profits. But on the contrary, examples are not visible!
  12. 16112014nk 2 February 2020 17: 06 New
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    Wide back in Russia. How many knives Turkey has already stuck in the back of Russia, and there is still a place, according to our authorities.
  13. cniza 2 February 2020 17: 23 New
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    Of course, one cannot speak of any strong friendship, but neutrality, partnership, and in some cases tactical alliances - why not.


    And do not turn your back.
    1. rocket757 2 February 2020 18: 33 New
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      And the Schaub armor was strong, from all sides!
  14. Keyser soze 2 February 2020 19: 26 New
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    Nedosultan is already rude to all the great forces, but it won’t bring him to good - everything will be bored somewhere in Moscow or Washington, and Erdogan will end at that moment. Maybe together with Turkey, it is also possible. In general, I would only be glad if Constantinople becomes a special federal district .... Not a believer, but I promise to go and put a candle in Hagia Sophia .... Here it’s already a holiday laughing
    1. Essex62 2 February 2020 21: 20 New
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      The cap is not enough, it is necessary to organize tailoring. laughing
      The fact that the Russian Federation in stock will end in a maximum of two months. No matter how cool preparation. TURKEY's Sun is second to NATO in numbers, and far from whipping boys. With a mobile reserve, combat-ready in the Russian Federation - zilch. Tear ourselves up. Is that glazing ... But who will decide on this? This series will continue without end.
      1. Keyser soze 3 February 2020 14: 16 New
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        TURKEY Sun is second to NATO in number, and far from whipping boys


        Turks always, in modern history, had the most advanced weapons. And they were always whipping boys. You will sweep them out per week, maximum. But this is impossible in the modern world, alas.
  15. Chaldon48 2 February 2020 19: 46 New
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    It is simply amazing how many frogs dreaming to swell around the borders of Russia the size of a bull. It’s just scary, but what if they take it all at once and burst
  16. Knell wardenheart 2 February 2020 23: 40 New
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    "Russian interests in Libya" sounds something like "American interests in Ukraine." Libya, why do we need it? :) Okay, it’s clear with the Turks - through them part of the refugees from Syria and Libya are roaming to Europe - and although this allows them to play certain games with Europe, few people will be pleased when often armed around your borders , sick or hungry people. In Syria, we “deserve” our place, both by defending official power and by helping to clear everything from the barmaleis there. In Libya, the situation is different - there is practically a problem with the official authorities, and this is a classic intervention in other people's dirty affairs - such a layout can promise us major losses and expenses, but does not guarantee profit. Today there is Haftar - tomorrow unidentified planes flew in, fired a pair of missiles, and there is no Haftar. We should not start another Middle Eastern party in this muddy water - without closing the previous one ..
  17. pytar 2 February 2020 23: 59 New
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    Pro-Turkish militants captured the T-90 tank of the Syrian army


    Pro-Turkish militants captured the T-90A tank, owned by the Syrian army. The tank was abandoned by the military during a retreat from the village of Zitan in the south of Aleppo province. In support of their words, the militants posted a photograph of two members of illegal armed groups, behind which, in fact, a tank of such a model is visible. It can be seen that the picture was taken in some kind of enclosed space. Due to the quality of the photo, it is difficult to discern the state of the combat vehicle. It is noted that at the moment he is in the same place. They will not move him, as he can become an easy target. Earlier, militants captured three of these tanks, which are now already destroyed. Also today it was reported about the destruction in battle of one T-72 Syrian army.
  18. old friend 3 February 2020 04: 30 New
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    The fact remains - if we talk about a country with which the interests of the Russian Federation diverge as much as possible in the South, then Turkey first of all comes to mind. Too many contradictions (to put it mildly), even without Syria and Libya (here, precisely, the Russian Federation with the so-called politics clearly climbed into the “territory” of Turkey): the entire Caucasus, Crimea, Central Asian countries with Turkic roots (Turkmenistan , Kazakhstan).
    In these conditions, an attempt to tie Turkey through economic factors (Turkish stream, nuclear power plants, sale and transfer of military technologies, mutual business interests) looks rather naive. With the slightest change in the alignment and the availability of benefits, Turkey will easily cross out all previous agreements (the rationale will come up quickly and easily).
    In fact, in many projects the Russian Federation does not rely on the partner, but on the enemy, who at the moment is forced to measure with the Russian Federation, but at the first opportunity will strike in the back. Moreover - we invest in Turkey economically! Moreover, cooperation is conducted with the enemy, which already has a number of very strong points that can cause a huge headache:
    1. modern economy and military-industrial complex (success is obvious)
    2. modern army (including aviation and air defense - thank you, including for future analogues of the S-400), which has perfectly motivated soldiers and officers
    3. modern Navy and control of the straits. With the commissioning of a new channel, this will become an even more dominant factor. In fact, the Black Sea Fleet is easily locked, with minimal access to the Mediterranean
    4. the roof in the form of NATO allows Turkey to behave quite boldly and risky.
    5. close-knit society and the army. In the event of direct conflict, there is no doubt that all internal divisions will remain in the past. In matters of principle related to national priorities, their society is a monolith
    6. The situation in the Caucasus and Central Asia is not at all obvious to the Russian Federation. I would not rely on the fact that in a direct clash the unrest in some republics of the North Caucasus will not begin (I think work is being carried out there). At a minimum, it should be clearly understood that Azerbaijan is very likely to take the side of Turkey. Thank you very much for the weapons that the Russian Federation has been supplying to this republic in recent years!

    If you evaluate the situation in the South not from the point of view of “cheers-patriotism”, but pragmatically, then yes, today there are successes (Syria), but they are momentary and good for the current propaganda. However, if we take long-term plans and prospects, it immediately becomes clear that the entire policy of the Russian Federation in the south does not have serious points of support. All politics (its current success) is built on the use of current contradictions: the inability of the United States to build a normal policy with Turkey and Iran’s counter-measures with Israel and the United States. What is happening is a pure adventure, in which so far it is very lucky. The first support is kicked out once or twice (if the US wants it and an adequate administration comes). The second is, in principle, also a solvable issue. We all perfectly understand that, if desired, the United States can normalize relations with Iran quickly enough (as soon as it comes to them, it is easier to solve problems separately: first clean up Syria, then you can take up Iran). If the Islamic Republic of Iran is seriously impaired and they leave Syria, then the entire configuration built in recent years will sprinkle like a house of cards. The departure of the IRI and their satellites = the inevitable defeat of the Assad army. The Russian Federation will face a choice: either start fighting with infantry (inevitable losses) or leave, leaving bases, because you won’t get one aviation. This is if superficial. In fact, with the simultaneous withdrawal of Iran from the war, the blocking of straits for the Syrian express by Turkey and the closure of the air corridor through Iran, the Russian Federation immediately falls into a zugwang situation, without options.
    1. old friend 3 February 2020 06: 40 New
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      If we talk about the consequences that the Russian Federation is facing right now, then this is largely a consequence of the exchange of his dead pilot for economic sanctions. At that moment it was necessary to respond as harshly as possible. NATO, given the causes of the conflict and the possible consequences, would not fit into Turkey. The most important thing is that at that time such a reaction would be justified and would hardly meet with serious condemnation at the international level. The maximum that would happen - everyone rushed to beg Moscow to change anger to mercy. The result - Erdogan and everyone else would understand that the Russian Federation is ready to defend its interests by any means, up to the very extreme.
      Now Erdogan behaves in Syria extremely brazenly and, in fact, dictates the rules of the game. IMHO, if he decided to go beyond Idlib, the Kremlin would wipe off again. He understands this, the Kremlin understands this, Assad understands this. Even if we hypothetically imagine that Moscow decides to "show its teeth" (unrealistic), then under the current conditions the use of force by the Russian Federation will cause a completely different reaction than when answering for an airplane.
      1. old friend 3 February 2020 07: 12 New
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        Erdogan’s goals are clear. He never really hid them. The Turks remember well the "glorious" days of the Ottoman Empire and understand that the Arabs are definitely not their opponents. The United States leaves the region, the influence of Europe is negligible, China in this gadyushnik in the near. time will not climb, Iran’s influence is limited by the Shiite belt. Russia? Yes, now it is in the way, but will she have the resources for a long and very expensive game in this region? And the situation is such that sooner or later, the Islamists in Idlib, under the guise of Erdogan’s troops, become so impudent that they will create a situation where they either have to lose face or interfere in the war seriously.
    2. pytar 3 February 2020 10: 03 New
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      Of particular danger is Erdogan’s desire to get nuclear weapons!
      1. Karen 3 February 2020 10: 40 New
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        Quote: pytar
        Of particular danger is Erdogan’s desire to get nuclear weapons!

        Naturally, the Russian Federation will help them in this ... The whole foreign policy of the Russian Federation is aimed at exaltation of Turkish ... Previously, Primakov oversaw this, but even after his death the line did not change ... Looks like the mole (s) are very powerful (s). ..
        1. pytar 3 February 2020 12: 42 New
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          Naturally, the Russian Federation will help them in this ... The whole foreign policy of the Russian Federation is aimed at exaltation of Turkish ... Previously, Primakov oversaw this, but even after his death the line did not change ... Looks like the mole (s) are very powerful (s). ..

          From Islamic countries, so far only Pakistan possesses nuclear weapons. But Pakistan needs it as a deterrent in its confrontation with much stronger India. Being one of the poorest countries in the world, Pakistan does not set itself expansionist geopolitical goals.
          With Turkey, the situation is completely different! Erdogan swung leadership in the Islamic and Turkic world! He has far-reaching aggressive plans! Turkey is a power that is economically and militarily powerful!
          Acquisition of nuclear weapons, give Erdogan a decisive tool for expansion from all angles! Nuclear weapons in the hands of the neo-Sultan will be a threat primarily to the Russian Federation and Turkey’s neighbors! Russia has done so much to strengthen its geopolitical enemy for centuries! Feeding a predator is in full! Russia has given too many trump cards in the hands of the unpredictable Erdogan! Myopia or what are you alluding to? It is not clear, but such a policy will sooner or later lead to big problems for everyone, including Russia! hi
          1. Karen 3 February 2020 12: 47 New
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            Quote: pytar
            Myopia or what are you alluding to?

            I don’t hint, I openly say ... The Kremlin kibbutz is doing everything for the sake of neo-Khazaria ... In the former Ukraine, this worked out, Belarus and the Russian Federation are in line ...
            A hundred years ago, Stalin thwarted these plans, today ... there is nobody.
        2. Altai72 3 February 2020 14: 02 New
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          You are mistaken, Primakov oversaw the Armenians and Kurds in the person of PKK.
          1. Karen 3 February 2020 16: 12 New
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            It’s you who are mistaken ... That work was a dust in the eyes ... I already said ... The fact that in the days of the State Emergency Committee Primakov and Bakatin hid together - it betrays its reality ...
  19. mammadov teymur 3 February 2020 10: 15 New
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    Turk has an old proverb ayidan post - rustan dost olamaz, that is, from a bear a fur coat and from a Russian friend do not work
  20. Sergey49 3 February 2020 15: 23 New
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    But what about "Glory to Ukraine!" from Erdogan. Is this how the partners of Russia behave? Or am I behind the times and the word partner no longer carries a positive meaning?