RF ratified the protocol on accession to the WTO

The President signed a draft law on Russia's accession to the WTO. This means that our country will become a full-fledged member of the organization at the end of August, said RG professor at the National Research University Higher School of Economics, director of the Information Bureau for Russia's WTO accession, Alexey Portansky.

RG: What steps should be taken after the signing of the bill on Russia's accession to the WTO?

Alexey Portansky: Now in Geneva, where the headquarters of the WTO, will be sent a notification of the completion of the procedure for ratifying the protocol of accession. According to the rules of the World Trade Organization, we had to do this within 220 days from the date of the official admission of Russia to the WTO, which occurred on December 16 on 2011. That is, until July 23. The document can be sent to Geneva both by letter and by fax. After 30 days after its receipt, the country becomes a full member of the WTO, of which a notice is posted on the organization’s website. So, if the document goes by fax, we can become a WTO member before the end of August.

RG: What does this mean?

Alexey Portansky: From this point on, all the obligations signed by our country come into force. On the other hand, we get the right not only to attend WTO events, as it has been until now, but we also gain the right to vote. That is, we begin a full-fledged work in the organization. And this is the full participation in the Doha round of trade negotiations that has been going on for many years, and participation in all kinds of commissions and committees of the WTO.

In the framework of the WTO, we will be able to solve a number of tasks to ensure our trade and economic interests. And this is purely practical work, which is aimed, among other things, at lifting restrictions on the export of Russian goods. And also to influence the development of new documents, agreements.

RG: What obligations undertaken by Russia will take effect immediately?

Alexey Portansky: Will be reduced to the initial level of binding duties on the import of cars. During the crisis, they were raised to 30 percent, and the initial level of binding - 25 percent. Then, a smooth reduction in fees to the final level of binding (15 percent) will begin from the 13 month after accession to the WTO.

Import duties on pork and live pigs should also be reduced immediately. On pork, they are reduced to 5 percent, on live pigs - to zero. But for most products, the reduction of duties will begin with the beginning of the transition period, that is, not earlier than the autumn of next year.

RG: How should state support measures change after joining the WTO?

Alexey Portansky: It is not allowed to use subsidies to support exports, import-substituting subsidies. We do not have many, but they are. And they must be reformatted into support measures permitted by the WTO.

Currently, the government continues to develop measures to reduce the risks of accession to the WTO.
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  1. +1
    July 22 2012
    Oh, well, comrades, Russian roulette has gone for Russian entrepreneurs!
    1. lotus04
      July 22 2012
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Oh, well, comrades, Russian roulette has gone for Russian entrepreneurs!

      What a roulette! They immediately shoot themselves left. That would not be tormented.
      1. ZKBM-BUT
        July 22 2012
        I sell Russian auto parts and say so I had to touch everything with my pens, I had to compare parts for Russian cars with impotent manufacturers. And in my opinion the WTO is good. Why? Yes, then, that our producer will have to fight, and not give the consumer what it is. And I don’t need here la la about the fact that we are so weak and they will crush us. Yes, we are weak, but in the meanwhile there is no competition because the leadership without competition has long since become dull and atrophied. In the WTO, our leadership through I can’t and will not have to work (he wants to eat anyway). Everything is simple on the market, just like in nature - the strongest survive. Here we have grown dystrophics without competition, and now we support their livelihoods with subsidies. And in return they rip off from us even a third. Here is an example from personal experience: at one time I worked at a factory for the production of a metal profile, and was an operator on a rolling machine. Let's say in an hour I’ll roll a profile into a cart standing on the rails and this pack can reach up to ten tons. Then I go around the workshop collecting handymen so that this cart can be rolled out for shipment. That is, I have to spend time searching for workers, tearing them away from some business, and then also seeming to tear up my navels, after that I have to take a break after that. At one point, I was tired of this whole crap, and I approached the leadership with the initiative. I say let's install a winch, the installation will cost a maximum of 15 thousand. Then the output can be increased, because it will not be necessary to hire workers to drag this cart, it will not be necessary to spend time running around the shop in search of these workers, it will not be tearing people away from any business that they were doing at that time, it would not be necessary to arrange breaks after tearing the navels. And spend all the time saved on the release of the next pack. And you know, when the leader listened to me, it was read in his eyes - hey boy, who are you to teach me how and what should be at this plant. In general, the winch never appeared. But if cheap products were imported into the country and there was competition, this head of turnip would start scratching himself how and what to improve, how to become competitive. Until there is competition, our AvtoVAZ with all its suppliers of spare parts does not proactively produce spare parts in which, consciously, I emphasize that the breakdowns are deliberately structurally laid so that they often buy parts and bring more profit. This is my personal opinion. Although of course on TV these rulers are screaming loudly that the WTO is bad. Of course, it’s bad because they will have to work, think, and not play solitaire during working hours in the WTO while sitting in a chair in front of the monitor.
        1. sonik-007
          July 22 2012
          Very to the point! Thank you for your helpful comment. their "first hand".
        2. +5
          July 22 2012
          What kind of competition is it? Who in entoy country nafig needs to produce something!? (With rare and / or muddy exceptions) After all, you, dear, do not produce but resell! Where is the guarantee that you, for example, will give an advantage to a Russian product when selling, even without a difference in your own profit? And if there is a difference, it is not in favor of our product, even if it is of the same quality (with Chinese for example). For patriotic reasons, you will work with less profit (in reality - worse, at a loss).!? And how many of our "manufacturers" can boast of such? No.
    2. +4
      July 22 2012

      Oh, well, comrades, Russian roulette has gone for Russian entrepreneurs!

      Most likely Norwegian roulette - a five-round drum
    3. Ruslan
      July 22 2012
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Oh, well, comrades, Russian roulette has gone for Russian entrepreneurs
      This is not Russian roulette, but the logical result of the Jewish fifth column in the Russian government. But this is still not the end after the bankruptcy of thousands of enterprises, Jews in the government will hand over the baton to the Jews of the opposition (curly-haired Nemtsov and others) - they will take people out to the streets and begin the final stage of the destruction of Russia - they will try to finish what they started in February 1917, then October prevented them.
      1. 755962
        July 22 2012
        Well then, it’s necessary as the Chinese .... And they do not care for all sorts of duties, they rule as they want. And no one will say a word to them.
        1. Brother Sarych
          July 22 2012
          To do this, you must be China with one and a half billion people and a powerful economy!
    4. 0
      July 22 2012
      Now in go-no, then in the WTO.
    5. Dimon_v_kystax
      July 22 2012
      WELL THERE IS NAH * P * E ​​* N * AND IT IS TO US!?!?
  2. Prophet Alyosha
    July 22 2012
    Gradually, the Russian authorities lead our country to a complete rejection of sovereignty, because according to the constitution of the Russian Federation, international laws ratified by the Russian Federation have precedence over the Russian ones. This is the most important thing in this case. The collapse of the economy and the rural economy without the WTO is very successful ...
    1. 0
      July 22 2012
      The Khazar yoke will be the last (what we now have). This is not the end. And the people are still silent! - not to be confused with provocateurs ...
  3. lotus04
    July 22 2012
    Have you forgotten to ask the population? Or, as always, the decision is made by the Duma, but the entire population who elected it is to blame. And as always, in the first lines of the pluses - "The duties on cars will be reduced." Apparently for this they decided to join the WTO. An aspen stake in the Russian economy, or rather in what is left of it.
    1. +4
      July 22 2012
      Quote: lotus04
      Have you forgotten to ask the population?

      And who needs us! They only remember us in the elections! sad
      1. Blazard
        July 22 2012
        Well, we ourselves delegate the powers of the legislative and executive authorities to the Duma and Prezik. At least that's what the legislation seems to be. So they themselves are to blame - to whom they entrusted power, we are tolerant of those.
    2. Vazya
      July 22 2012
      More than 25 million people have invested in MMM 2011. Do you want these people to decide the fate of Russia?
      1. 11Goor11
        July 23 2012
        Exactly! +++++++ good
  4. Brother Sarych
    July 22 2012
    The future final catastrophe of the economy is now legally fixed - that’s Putin noted with an act, the consequences of which will be comparable with the collapse of the Union ...
    It was not necessary to do this, it was not necessary ...
    1. anchonsha
      July 22 2012
      People, what collapse did you all talk about when you joined the WTO? Almost all countries are members of the WTO and nothing lives. Whoever screams from entrepreneurs that the WTO collapses for him is not an entrepreneur. This is world trade and development, it is an open border for goods. For about twenty years, there has been an agreement on our entry into the WTO, and now you have begun to say that you did it without agreement with the people. Yes, everyone was silent, and when they had almost agreed, screams began. Or do you want the fate of the USSR, closeness to the market and, as a result of this backwardness, which has always tormented us? After all, had it not been for Obama, then up to now different American McCains would not have let us close. Pre-revolutionary Russia was actually a participant in the same world market and everything went perfectly. Why are yelling about the crash now?
      1. Brother Sarych
        July 22 2012
        Everything went fine in Russia? And the three revolutions almost in a row? Do you need this? Little shocks? Is it necessary that life would again drive people to the barricades with weapons in their hands?
      2. Vazya
        July 22 2012
        Yelling about the collapse due to a good example - China. He is tried for restricting TNC access to rare earth deposits and attempting to enter the world market with products manufactured by national companies. A package of documents is being prepared, which provides for a sharp restriction (actually liquidation) of the sovereign rights of states to regulate investment processes in their territories. So, transnational corporations will have the right to judicially challenge those national laws that reduce the profits of TNCs from production and investment activities in the respective countries. And also - to demand compensation for the damage (lost profits). Like this.
  5. +3
    July 22 2012
    What is it, another rake again? How many cones are already on your forehead ?! Can’t it be the same as with the army reform? Too many questions arise from this news! And how many years will it take for our manufacturer to learn how to play them conditions! By their rules of the game!
    I'm afraid to imagine.
  6. Svistoplyaskov
    July 22 2012
    Pessimists say: "Everything is lost"! "End of the world"
    Optimists: "Hurray! Finally, Russia is in the world community!"
    And ordinary citizens of our vast country for the most part do not know how to respond to this news.
    Including me!
    1. +7
      July 22 2012
      I completely agree with you, I also don’t know what to do: rejoice or cry. And most importantly, no information educational program what will happen to us in the WTO. And what’s most interesting, if accession to the WTO is the direct death of Russia, why haven’t they let us in for almost 20 years?
      1. Brother Sarych
        July 22 2012
        While you can rejoice, but get ready to start crying very soon!
        While the flight is normal - we fly over the twentieth floor, while it’s even pleasant from the blowing breeze ...
        1. +4
          July 22 2012
          Why should I cry then? Reasonable explanations, please. And preferably with documentary evidence.
  7. +5
    July 22 2012
    "WTO and New Industrialization. Is Synergy Possible?"

    The final chords of the 18-year-old and it seemed already “eternal” entry of Russia into the WTO suddenly blew up the blogosphere. Violent accusations against the Russian authorities and the deputies from the ruling party of betraying the country's national interests and cynical deceit of voters in the recent election cycle poured out from opponents of accession to the WTO.

    The latter is particularly surprising, because the position and arguments of Vladimir Putin on the WTO issue are openly set forth in his election articles and transcripts of many speeches available in open sources. Comrades on the network have already made the appropriate selections (see www.odnako.org/blogs/show_19702/#comment_579861 and www.odnako.org/magazine/material/show_19733/#comment_583889).

    There is also a WTO website where answers to many questions are given (also illustrating the strange ignorance of the “hitting” public).

    The brainchild of E. Primakov (and he was by no means a liberal) - the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation issued an official commentary “On the Results of Negotiations on Russia's Accession to the WTO”, which responds to a huge number of perplexities and direct falsifications of public opinion regarding the WTO, but why something in the heat of battle is not noticed and not discussed in essence.

    From this document, readers already infected with righteous anger from the panic of the “all-proverbial” will discover amazing “discoveries”. That “in the 39 service sectors (for example, pipelines, railways, inland water transport, most medical services, cultural events services, most R&D services, etc.), Russia is not bound by obligations. This means that in the future in these sectors it will be possible to introduce any restrictions for foreigners, up to the complete closure of the market ", or that" the adoption by the accession country of "obligations without restrictions" does not mean a complete deregulation of the respective service sectors. After joining the WTO, Russia ... retains the right to apply non-discriminatory internal regulation in the service sector (for example, regulation aimed at ensuring the quality of services or protecting consumer rights, such as licensing, qualification requirements, certification and accreditation. ”)

    Also unexpectedly contrary to criticism of opponents, we learn that Russia reserves the right to “introduce new restrictions in the most sensitive areas, such as services in the energy sector, telecommunications, and education. In such sectors, the regime of access and activities in Russia of foreign service providers, provided for by Russian obligations in the WTO, is more stringent compared to the current regime ... ”

    Also, “restrictions on the ownership of foreigners on land;” requirements for foreign investors participating in the implementation of production sharing agreements ”and much, much more.

    Significant and time intervals (5-7 years) the entry into force of the WTO rules for certain areas, negotiated by the Russian negotiators.

    And yet, despite the significant number of analytical materials, accessible official documents, many years of expert discussions and speeches, the society does not leave a clear sense of understatement and incomprehensibility of Russia's benefits in the WTO precisely in the current crisis time. These concerns are particularly reinforced by the swiftness and consistency of ratification of the “Protocol on Accession ...” by Russian authorities.

    It is likely that everything is extremely banal - the authorities, as has already happened several times, are “hard to rise” in public communications and simply “missed” the work of explaining qualitatively the logic of their position and evidence of national prospects from membership in the WTO, and then “it has come” - which immediately took advantage of the political opposition.

    But in line with many actions and pre-election statements of Vladimir Putin, who declared that the authorities understood that they had reached the limit of raw material resource development opportunities characteristic of the post-Soviet 20 anniversary and the beginning of a completely new stage in the development of Russia, alternative explanations are also being analyzed that analyze the strange laconicism and rush the issue of the WTO.

    Best to summarize these moods, comrade mikecurious in a recent LJ discussion:

    “Actually the society (I mean normal, not handshake), gradually came to the following conclusions (see voting on“ However ”)

    1) there is danger and expected losses in the WTO

    2) in the WTO there is an expected profit (there are reasonable articles for both points of view). It is not clear what will be more in fact.

    3) Putin is silent ... which means that the matter is not at all about n.1 and n.2. There is some third GOAL. Not a profit. Understand that it’s not about money and the country's GDP. And he is prudently silent about this goal, because not yet entered. He will only say when there will be no turning back.

    And the vote confirms this - the most obvious point of view - the WTO is bad, because it is not clear why? That's it, think why? Forget about money, taxes, rates, etc. What else does the WTO provide as a tool in times of crisis? ”

    So, if we disengage, then what do we have in the core of the announced national development strategy? The fact that the Russian government finally responsibly proclaimed the lack of alternatives to New Industrialization. Moreover, there is an understanding that it will have to be implemented in the most difficult conditions of global economic and political instability, aggravated by the problems of global climate change, aging of the population, health challenges, food, military and energy security problems.

    Nevertheless, it was the New Industrialization and the construction of the Eurasian Union that were declared the main imperative of the new presidential term of Vladimir Putin. The huge framework parameters of the Big Construction were publicly announced - investing an additional 43 trillion rubles in addition to the budget in the country's economy over the 3 years, creating 25 millions of high-quality new jobs, the need to quickly jump over several technological structures. Observing from the very beginning of the 2000's a lot of efforts and facts of the restoration of sectoral, budgetary and strategic territorial development planning - there is confidence that the super-task announced by Putin is not Manilov’s projection, but it is painstakingly, systematically prepared and already has solid calculation and resource reserves.

    The new Industrialization, in addition to raising the quality of life, also aims at raising the quality of the economy, taking a leading position in Russia in the global division of labor, the global expansion of Russian capital - and all experts believe that it is with the realization of all these goals at their final stage that the WTO makes sense. For a strong innovative economy, the WTO becomes a “wind to the sail” and “big water to a big ship”. The WTO experts and opponents are united in this. Only expert opponents rightly point out and argue that these necessary conditions are absent in the Russian economy, since its reindustrialization has not occurred. The following are the worst scenarios possible.

    I, on the other hand, analyzing the specific obligations undertaken and the “free hands” negotiated by the Russian negotiators in many sectors of the economy and the time lags for the entry into force of the WTO obligations, suggests a hypothesis about the adopted certain “asymmetric” strategy for joining the WTO.

    Namely, that the WTO was chosen by the country's political leadership as one of the most important tools for meeting the needs and promptness of the announced New Industrialization, and not just a factor relevant to the Russian economy at the end of its restructuring.

    And the negotiators worked under the task of meeting the interests of Russia in the WTO. And, perhaps, the long-term clinch of negotiations was due to that circumstance: they did not join the Organization prematurely, because they solved two parallel tasks - (1) bargaining on “freedom of the hands of the government” and convenient conditions that do not interfere with the future restructuring of the chosen priorities of Russian industry with minimizing losses in other areas , and (2) at the same time shamelessly dragging out the time in which all the 2000s prepared the necessary political conditions and accumulated the country's administrative, organizational, financial resources to prepare ovki to start re-industrialization. Of course, clearly a lot in these terms was violated by the global 2008 crisis - which delayed the time of entry until new financial storms in the Russian economy were extinguished.

    The WTO and at the current stage will definitely benefit Russian exporters by giving them an additional tool to combat protectionism in world trade, but I believe that the main task of the WTO mechanisms will be in another - to fully facilitate the industrial and scientific-innovative import and purchase of technologies, materials, equipment, patents-licenses, various components and semi-finished products - that is, the overflow to Russia of all that, as stated by Ambassador Zurabov at last year’s business forum in Kiev, will accumulate rapidly these resources.
    1. +4
      July 22 2012
      Now "the talk of the town" - customs problems and the need in the absence of the WTO in individual interstate agreements on the trade regime. As A. Kochurkov writes: “How is international trade arranged without the WTO? The two sides have long and tedious negotiations on a trade regime, usually this ends with an agreement on the "most favored nation" regime, which is then overgrown with a mass of exceptions, amendments and additions. These agreements are revised from time to time and the whole gimmick starts from the very beginning. As a result, a UNIQUE trading regime is established with each country. All this reduces the WTO to a one-step accession procedure, when bilateral negotiations are being conducted - it is at this stage that all restrictions are introduced, after which there are clear rules that cannot be changed unilaterally, but only by consensus of all participating countries. So these rules are strangers exactly until the moment of our entry there. "

      This circumstance is extremely hindered by the creation of Russian industrial alliances with global multinationals, which Putin is stubbornly seeking and where a quick flow of materials, people, equipment, etc., which is independent of various customs and trade regimes, is necessary. Exactly the same problems arise with the expansion of Russian business in acquiring assets and companies abroad.

      For example, in a new review analytical material on this subject, characteristic facts are cited - that with the direct support of the Kremlin (which even in the crisis of 2008 overcredited large Russian business and thereby saved their foreign investment), the process of buying foreign enterprises gradually gained strength from the year 2000, and “in In general, every year Russian business buys 40 – 60 of large foreign companies. 90% - real production! ”,“ ... explosive growth of acquisitions occurred just before the crisis. Prior to 2006, Russian business spent a modest 300 – 500 million dollars a year on the purchase of foreign companies. Since 2006, it has gone and gone: 10, 17, 20 billion dollars a year! As a result, by 2012, the total amount of funds invested by Russian business in foreign factories, mines, ports, power plants, pipelines, etc., reached 314 billion. Russia entered the 16-th place in the world in terms of the scale of buying enterprises abroad! This is between China (322 billion dollars) and Austria (260 billion dollars). Even the collapse of 2008 only briefly discouraged entrepreneurs from acquiring more and more abroad. In 2010, the Russian Federation set a record: it became the eighth in international investment activity, having spent 41 billion dollars on foreign enterprises "," over the past two years there have been several very large transactions by any standards ", etc.

      How does this happen in reality? For example, the state-owned Uralvagonzavod - “laid out an unnamed amount (according to independent estimates - 30 million euros) for a steel factory in the north of France that went bankrupt. Now part of the casting for Russian cars is delivered from Nor-Pas-de-Calais. ” It is clear that in such conditions, Russian business, which is becoming global, urgently needs unified global rules of trade, customs procedures standardized in the WTO, in order to increase efficiency and competitiveness. And in the given, and far from a single example of Uralvagonzavod - to improve internal production logistics.

      Undoubtedly, such large-scale acquisitions are necessary for the transfer of technology and equipment to Russia - and this is probably taken into account and planned by the political leadership of the country. Therefore, it is possible that strategic “foreign investments” will have such an origin.

      Everyone is hearing, as in the wake of these asset purchases, which usually love silence - a revealing public scandal with the signing and termination of the Opel deal for Russia - outraged by shameless political protectionism, but also through the inability of Russia to challenge the brutality of partners through court WTO
      1. Kaa
        July 22 2012
        I just want to add that Russia is a member of various international organizations, for example, the UN, the European Parliament, the OSCE, and so on and so forth. From time to time, these authorities adopt all sorts of obscene resolutions, well, there is about the "non-democratic elections", condemn various objectionable regimes, and then what? Everything will depend only on the WILL of the leaders of Russia: in Libya, the situation was slammed-received bombing, about Syria while they keep the situation under control. IMHO, if necessary, ANY WTO decisions can be dynamited, Europe can buy gas and oil hotzza, as an example - the situation with Chinese rare earth metals - the WTO condemns, and China declares that there are few of them, they say, they themselves are not enough. So, if there is no drain of Russian interests at the top of power, there will be no harm from joining the WTO.
        1. +2
          July 22 2012
          So, if there is no drain of Russian interests at the top of the government, there will be no harm from joining the WTO.

          Well then, you need to go back, as in China to introduce a tower!
          Ato we now give out Nobel Prizes for the collapse and orders for anniversaries "give".
      2. +1
        July 23 2012
        Chuck, I was not too lazy and read everything you scribbled. Interesting facts and assumptions. As I understand it, the Russian Federation acquired a lot of things abroad, and now, for convenient interaction with "acquisitions", the WTO was needed, such as a lot of the border and duties ... An interesting thought, it's worth googling, it's worth digging and checking ... Plus you, dear.
    2. ytqnhfk
      July 22 2012
    3. anchonsha
      July 22 2012
      Chuck Norris You're right. Russia should not remain in the backyards of the world, and therefore be backward and ignorant. Russia is ahead, but wisely, with a different expectation, we will not have a future. I repeat that Obama still contributed to our entry into the WTO, and if at the helm of the USA ROMNI, MAKEYENY are different, then we would have not seen the WTO for another 20 years.
  8. +1
    July 22 2012

    In light of all these facts, the recent meeting of Vladimir Putin with the country's diplomatic corps acquires a new meaning. According to Kommersant in its closed section, “The President shared his feeling that the current crisis in the EU is a systemic one, that this is the decline of the old West, stretched out in time. The second wave of the crisis is inevitable, and it will hurt Europe first of all. But Russia is also vulnerable as it is tied to European markets. So it is necessary to do everything to mitigate the consequences of this blow both for himself and for Europe "... Putin stressed that the EU's" lifeline "in the crisis could be strengthening economic and even political cooperation with Moscow (in the open He mentioned the abolition of visas and plans to create a single market.) Thus, united, Russia and Europe could act as a counterweight to both a strengthening China and the only military superpower of our time - the United States. "We are in the same boat," the official retells Putin's words "These words are really not a metaphor now:" more than half of Russian industrial purchases come from the EU and the former Eastern Bloc. According to the Skolkovo business school, twice as much money has been invested there than in a seemingly close post-Soviet companies of the CIS ".

    Recently, with the participation of V.V. Putin and I.I. Sechin was signed by the Exxon Mobil Alliance and the Russian Rosneft. Foreign TNCs were admitted to the Russian subsoil with conditions for the construction of plants, transfer of deep-water drilling technologies to Russia and orders for drilling platforms, the fleet, as well as the opening of a Research Center in Russia - all these projects are inherently global in nature, their logistics is global, - because the WTO in such cases is already a vital working condition, and Russia already has industrial alliances with other global players, such as the German Siemens.

    If the whole picture presented is a jigsaw puzzle of a real mosaic of many years of purposeful preparation of the conditions for the New Industrialization of Russia, then the silence of the authorities is understandable for the time being. If so, then this silence is responsible and respectful.

    And we can assume that, in fact, New Industrialization is already taking place since the 2000's, only in the 2012, when being elected President of Russia Putin announced the beginning of its visible phase, which should be as fast as the Atomic Project or the Stalinist pre-war Industrialization of the USSR. Then Stalin likewise used the global crisis of the Great Depression to mass buy up technologies, factories, equipment, materials, and even foreign specialists and engineers.

    Zurabov in his analytics took everything about everything until the 10 years. Putin gave estimates even stricter - 3-6 years. To ensure the planned Reindustrialization, I believe that the presidential term was extended, and many reforms in public administration and the selection and cultivation of managerial staff had this aim. I believe that even now all resonant laws (about slander, NGOs, etc.) are linked to the political and legal support of the preparation and this complex task.

    And in the light of the foregoing, the wave of raised public indignation by the actions of the authorities to “draw the country into the WTO” is more understandable. It has several components.

    Firstly, the lobbyism of domestic structures sitting on subsidies, which do not need any changes.
    Secondly, there are voices of those who can reasonably suffer from increased competition - but it is impossible to say that the authorities do not hear them and do not implement any compensatory decisions.
    Thirdly, there are signs of a clear informational special operation of those forces who need to disrupt the country's strengthening - everything is clear with their centers and methods.

    But the patriotic camp is especially depressing. Among the patriotic camp, opponents - “Thomas the Unbelievers” - those who do not believe the authorities regarding the seriousness of its intentions of the New Industrialization of Russia and even refuse a statist approach.

    Some do not believe the authorities in principle (those who see Putin as the “leader of the country's liquidation committee” and deny the presence of counter-regression efforts), while others are “defeatists,” those who do not believe in victory. They do not believe that it will turn out that the Big Building will be accomplished, that the authorities will squeeze the process — they will show due political will and protection of national interests, will not stop at half measures or suddenly do not backtrack. After all, this is a huge and risky business - the first of such a scale in our recent history, and, moreover, under very unfavorable world conditions and only a recovering country. And after all, they were burned more than once and were betrayed, and they themselves betrayed the country more than once — in any case, my generation. Therefore, “weeping Yaroslavna”, because we will always be uncompetitive, that “they will surrender everything”, etc.

    These cautious reflections and the facts cited are addressed first to this audience of “defeatists”: dear friends! believe in Russia, in its fate, in its mission, in the nonrandomness of its trials and lessons of fate. And especially believe in its imminent future prosperity. After all, the entire strengthening of Russia that is happening with the 2000-s - back in the 1999-m seemed incredible. Then it seemed that the country was sentenced. But Russia, like Munchausen, is pulling herself by the hair out of the swamp. And there is no need for tantrums, panic and depression - because now, I repeat, the state of the country is not at the level of 1999 of the year. Remind yourself that this is by no means conspiracy theology when the government is forced to remain silent so as not to disrupt the creative processes. In the Patriotic War, the Battle of Stalingrad was prepared in great secrecy - top-secret even from many of its own, even dying in ignorance of the true state of affairs. And Chuikov’s fighters, dying in the besieged Stalingrad, who do not receive reinforcements — for the stakes accumulated resources on a counterattack — nevertheless believed the country's leadership that if it was forced to remain silent, it would not be the same betrayal! And such a struggle and faith was won the greatest victory!

    We believed V. Putin when he asked us “do we love Russia” - we answered YES! He asked if WE AND HIM were ready to “die near Moscow, just like our grandfathers were dying ...” - and then we answered - YES! So we will be worthy of the word we have given, we will be responsible and adults. We must not confuse the lack of information or its incomprehensibility with betrayal. We have a lot to be able to recognize and analyze, but also to be able to trust infinitely - otherwise we will be the object of sophisticated manipulations, as devoid of spiritual armor.

    In conclusion, I want to quote Yevgeny Primakov about the vital necessity of the WTO for the country: “There is no alternative to Russia's entry into the WTO. This organization determines the rules of conduct in world markets, and almost 95% of world trade passes through the countries participating in it. ... Without joining the WTO agreements in the field of high-tech goods and intellectual property rights, it is very problematic to overcome the technological gap and, in the future, Russia's entry into the world high-tech market. Consequently, without joining the WTO, the transition to the innovative path of development vital for the country cannot be made. ”
    1. +1
      July 22 2012
      Plus you Chuck-norris!!! What do we have to do ?! Only believe! winked
      1. S_mirnov
        July 22 2012
        this is the lot of sheep! Normal people will fight for their future and the future of their children!
      2. +1
        July 22 2012
        Read you ...
        here is the meaning of the introduction:
        the entire base for grandmothers pumped abroad is and is adjusted.
        Holders ... made proposals - which they will not be able to refuse. Otherwise ...
        Access to .. business spaces in Russia is open. On international rules.
        We are waiting for a massive influx ... of investments. Allegedly foreign.
        The rules of the game are observed. The real rulers of the Russian Federation are starting to gain acceleration in the financial world. Those. in the world at large.
        In the years through 10-15, the business of the Russian Federation will become ... basic for the world.
        (Apart from any yummy - ... about blocking ... what-thread, collapse of competitors ... what-thread).
        Good perspective, right?
        Only now - if that were true.
        Documents of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation.
        Results of negotiations ..
        And documents and protocols are signed - not having an official Russian translation.
        What did you sign?
        And all business.
  9. +3
    July 22 2012
    "The state will have a voice!", ....... The state will receive ..... The state will ........
    And not a single vote that has been done for the Russian medium and small business, so that they survive, Not a single word, how will this affect citizens ........

    Only one more question:
    If the WTO requires a reduction in duties and prices - At the expense of whom will the promised military personnel, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other state employees be paid?
    More than one official will not share his salary!

    We'll have to read Saltykov-Shchedrin again - "How one man fed two generals" (LADIES, VVP)
    1. ytqnhfk
      July 22 2012
      The wolf has done a lot and is doing even more just keep silent about it! And on the ground, these subsidies are not loans but subsidies are clamped redirects and so on! I won’t begin to list in all. If it’s interesting, write in a personal answer!
  10. +5
    July 22 2012
    The people against the crazy venture with the WTO!

    On the GOSDUMOVSKY SITE published the results of a survey (data as of July 11) regarding the ratification of the agreement on Russia's accession to the WTO. Here's what they look like:

    Do you support the ratification of the protocol on Russia's accession to the WTO?

    Yes - 2,9%.

    No - 96,6%.

    I don’t care - 0,5%.

    The results are amazing. The “ruling" party, which is struggling to pull Russia into the WTO, receives only 2,9% of the vote in support of its crazy undertaking. 96,6% object to it, understanding that it leads to the collapse of the Russian economy, to the collapse of the country. Nevertheless, EP deputies are imposing a decision on ratification of the treaty by the Duma, having concealed that the vast majority of Russians (like the Communists, unlike the “United Russia” deputies) oppose this scam of the century.
    1. +5
      July 22 2012
      Someone is minus. But these are facts published in the media. Don't you like them? Then offer your own version of the answers of the people to whom no one has explained anything and did not even consider it necessary to bring to the awareness of the necessity of joining the WTO. Yes, 95% of the world economy is in the WTO. But how were the negotiations held, who specifically pushed them, what did they achieve? No one knows. And the worse the result on individual issues, the more questions for the negotiators. And one of them - what did the negotiators get for such a result? Naturally not from Russia. Some countries received a boost in development, for example, Vietnam, and Ukraine lost a lot. Everything is relative. What can I say. The DUMA, in making the decision, actually worked in high-speed mode. Nobody, after all, translated into Russian from them either saw or read it, including GDP. Good luck to all of us, hopes that the party and government will lead us to the victory of good over evil.
      1. +5
        July 22 2012
        It's just that people can’t buy a beautiful wrapper anymore, but minus those who vehemently want to join the WTO, and who said that there are no deputies on the site.
      2. S_mirnov
        July 22 2012
        I would like to find a list of surnames of those scum who voted in the Duma for joining the WTO! Is there no such link?
        1. +4
          July 22 2012
          I would like to find a list of surnames of those scum who voted in the Duma for joining the WTO! Is there no such link?

          Alexander! You amaze!

          Turn on the TV Any channel, Any news.
          There, without any reference to you, the entire list of deputies, senators and all the rest will be named and with face control.

          Only this will hardly make you feel better!
          In general, like me and everyone else !!!!!
        2. jokes
          July 22 2012
          You speak so much about the people elected? It’s a shame, because the people elected them, and you voted, you can’t do that.
    2. 0
      July 22 2012
      And what does "people" mean against? Accession to the WTO is such a specific issue that requires a good knowledge of economics that asking the opinion of the "cook" and "janitor" is at least not serious. Their answers will be so subjective (based on emotions and advertising (anti-advertising) - propaganda) that they will lose their meaning. The referendum on joining the WTO is a toy in "democracy", politicking!
      1. S_mirnov
        July 22 2012
        Homo - you change your nickname, it doesn't suit you, if this is a very "specific question" for you
  11. +5
    July 22 2012
    6 July left under its own power in the Tatarstan-FIELDS GROWN ALWAYS WITH ANY CRAFTS (KOMI KIROV REGION) ==== THIS GIFT FOR VOSHNIKOV !? crying
  12. +2
    July 22 2012
    : “Man, if you know what you are doing, then you are happy, but if you don’t know, you are damned and you are a transgressor!”
  13. +2
    July 22 2012
    There are a lot of questions.

    1. Which countries did not join the WTO?

    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Equatorial Guinea
    Holy See (Vatican)
    Lao People's Democratic Republic
    Lebanese republic
    Liberia, Republic of Libya
    Russian Federation
    Sao tomé and principe

    2. What does Putin himself say about the WTO, without interpreters and translators?

    "Dear colleagues! Now a few words about Russia's accession to the World Trade Organization. Here questions came from United Russia, the Liberal Democratic Party, and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. What would I like to say in this regard? I am convinced that membership in the WTO is a strategic plan will give a powerful impetus for the dynamic innovative development of our economy. Its openness, increased competition will benefit the citizens of Russia, and for our manufacturer the necessary incentive for development. These are new markets and new prospects that we are not yet accustomed to seeing and correctly assessing. Finally. , membership in the WTO opens up the opportunity to defend our interests in a civilized manner, in the legal field. The completion of the negotiation process on the WTO creates conditions for Russia's joining another multilateral structure - the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the OECD. We are already doing this work. Joining the OECD will mean awarding a global quality mark to our economy and in general, and to individual manufacturers.

    What would you like to say in this regard? You can, of course, join the WTO thoughtlessly and uselessly, even harmful consequences can be rattled (and we know such examples), or you can, as other countries do that have managed to squeeze the maximum benefit from the WTO format for their own development. And we need to use the WTO tools to our advantage, as the old-timers of this organization do. "

    "A very acute issue is accession to the WTO. This is true. It worries me very much too, I will not hide it. I just want to draw your attention to the fact that we cannot shift for a year or two. This will mean that we do not enter the WTO. According to the WTO rules, six months maximum - we must make a decision. We have been negotiating for 17 years. Almost 17 years. It is possible to postpone, that is, not to postpone, but not to join at all. But that will be a different story, I assure you. And the Customs Union Dmitry Anatolyevich has already said about this, we are built together with our partners on the principles of the WTO. We do not lose anything here. Moreover, I have already said and I want to emphasize again: I believe that integration in the post-Soviet space is our number one priority. "

    "It's time to stop being hypocritical and honestly agree on an acceptable level of safeguards to keep jobs in times of global crises. This is especially important for us as Russia is joining the WTO this year, and we intend to actively participate in discussions on future rules of world trade." (G-20, 2012)

    You can not join the WTO, and stay in the society of Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc. It is possible not to participate "in discussions on the future rules of world trade." You don't have to worry about new incentives and motivations for the Russian economy, increasing its competitiveness, and acquiring new markets, niches and opportunities. One can neglect the opportunity "to defend our interests in a civilized manner, in the legal field." Only "it will be a different story, I assure you." Who among the "experts" and simply lovers of talk will take responsibility for this "different story"? And will be responsible for the consequences of this "other story"? Who was responsible for the "development of Russia in the 90s" and its results in 1998? Power is the right to make decisions, delegated by citizens, and responsibility to them for the decisions made. The citizens of Russia chose power for themselves and delegated to it the right to make responsible decisions. None of the critics of WTO accession has more competence on this issue than those who have been preparing it for 17 years. The opinion of the talkers, and even more so, those who are politically engaged, cannot serve as a basis for making the most important government decisions.

    Another comment: quote

    Wouldn’t it be better for you to read Putin’s entire speech on this issue, and not to snatch out a separate phrase?

    "Question: I have a question about the WTO. What do you think about membership in the WTO? Will you be able to join this organization in three to six months? And what effect will this have on the Russian economy and how will it affect Russian business?"

    Vladimir Putin: You know, we have a discussion in the business community about this: do we need to join the World Trade Organization or not? Or is it already a dying organization, where the participating countries cannot agree among themselves on key issues on the agenda. These rounds continue one after another, lasting for years and do not lead to any results. And developed economies abuse their position as developed powers and do not want to adhere to the rules of democracy that they are trying to implement in political and other spheres in other regions, especially in some regions of the world. But they insist on the monopoly position of developed countries and simply throw handouts to developing countries in the form of various assistance, instead of changing, radically changing fundamental rules and providing a real opportunity for developing economies to develop. I don’t want to open this debate now, but I want to say that we have both pros and cons when joining the WTO. It is clear that the competitiveness of entire sectors of the Russian economy does not yet correspond to the level of our potential competitors. Our potential competitors work more efficiently, provide cheaper and better products. By the way, as soon as our population’s income level grows, imports immediately grow, too, instantly. This is the best measure of justice of what I am talking about. Yes, actually, we ourselves are well aware of this. And many business participants, many of our largest leading companies tell us, the Government, including me: “We don’t need to enter there, because we will open markets, our competitors will come and they will squeeze us out of our own market.” We understand these concerns, so we generally agree with our foreign partners that standard terms should be applied when joining the WTO, if we can talk about any standard conditions: there, it seems that they approach each country in its own way, but in general, what rules do exist.

    So, in general, we have already reached an agreement on key issues - both on agriculture (we believe that a balanced situation has been achieved here), and on the so-called auto assembly. As for agriculture, here the last debate has been about the amount of imported meat products, the so-called red meat ... - I will not ship you. I wake up and already, in my opinion, remember by heart all these numbers and terminology, which I had never kept in my head before. We have reached compromises acceptable to all parties. Then they ran into a car assembly. So I gave an example of our plans with Ford. We promised Ford and some other major world companies certain terms of development until the 2020 year, and our partners, mainly in this case from Europe (if you mostly argued over meat with the Americans, then here with the Europeans), never They didn’t want to recognize our right to develop their own automobile industry. In the end, we found a compromise that is acceptable for us, and, I think, for our European partners. At the same time, the Government of the Russian Federation has undertaken to ensure the interests of our existing and potential investors in this field of activity. We also held appropriate consultations with them, they agree with us. We will even take part of the costs for ourselves to ensure their interests - the interests of our investors. We are even ready to partially subsidize their work in our market, but so that they also fulfill their conditions, which I mentioned - the number of cars produced in Russia, the creation of engineering centers, and fulfill a number of other conditions. Now what do we hear from our partners? Now they tell us: “Go negotiate with Georgia.” And our Georgian partners returned to the requirements that they set out from the very beginning of this process, then removed these requirements, and now they have returned to them, that is, they have toughened their position. In this connection, of course, a legitimate question arises: do our main partners in Europe and the United States want Russia to be a member of the WTO or do not want to? No need to hide behind the Georgian question. If they want, then they can do it very quickly, especially since we have reached the main compromises. If you don’t want to, then, of course, there you can get the Georgian problem out, and you can come up with others.

    I conclude my answer to your question: do I think this will benefit Russia or not? Fifty-fifty, but in general, more likely a plus than a minus. Rather, a plus. We do not abandon this goal, we are ready for full-scale accession to the WTO, but, of course, we will do this only if conditions are not unacceptable to us. "
    1. S_mirnov
      July 22 2012
      Modernization in the WTO is not possible!

      Dear deputies of the State Duma - members of the "United Russia" faction!

      Soon, the State Duma will have to consider the law on ratification of the Protocol on Russia's Accession to the World Trade Organization.

      This is a crucial issue, the consequences of entry will be felt by every resident of the country.

      Adaptation to working conditions in the WTO is already underway. Thousands of enterprises reduce investment programs, layoffs, and stop production. Thus, a forty percent drop in combine sales led to a halt in production at the Rostselmash combine plant. And this despite the fact that agricultural machinery is assigned by the government to the number of priority sectors and special attention is paid to it. After the actual accession of Russia to the WTO and the entry into force of 23 thousand conditions and restrictions stipulated by the protocol, investments in the Russian production of agricultural machinery will lose their meaning.

      Dear deputies of the State Duma - members of the "United Russia" faction! Three out of four factions in the State Duma opposed ratification. I know that many of you are also aware of the destructiveness of this act. Perhaps your leaders will require you to vote for ratification. It is clear that there is party discipline and party traditions. But do not forget that the responsibility to the people and history will lie with you.

      We have created a country, developed agricultural production and built industry for many generations of our ancestors. Millions gave their lives for Russia. And no one has the right to destroy it.

      Read the statements of professionals from different industries presented on this spread. These authoritative people with tremendous experience consider joining the WTO a step harmful to Russia.

      Delve into the problem. Come to Rostselmash, visit any other manufacturing enterprise, talk with those who work in production, and create the country's real wealth. And at the time of voting, make an informed decision.

      Sincerely, Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Association "Rosagromash" Konstantin Anatolyevich Babkin

      Meat processing

      Mushegh Mamikonyan, President of the Meat Union of Russia

      Opinions of experts and officials on possible measures and methods of support in the processing industry diverge and are the basis for disagreement. A two-fold reduction in the specific component of the import tariff under the code “Ready-made meat products” and zeroing of 25% of the import duty is an extremely unexpected concession that has never been discussed with industry representatives.

      The concessions in the market for products of high economic conversion do not comply with the principles of the WTO, namely, the principle of “tariff escalation”, according to which the tariff for raw materials should be lower than the import tariff for products of high conversion.

      A paradoxical situation arises - starting in 2015, the meat and meat products market will be in the conditions of a negative indicator (-20%!) Of the effective import tariff rate!

      The agreement of the Russian Federation on accession to the WTO in the meat industry will have disastrous consequences for the meat processing industry, which today has reached the highest degree of domestic market supply (more than 95%). This is the most successful example of import substitution for all types of consumer goods, both food and non-food. At the present stage, Russian enterprises are absolutely competitive.

      Russia's accession to the WTO will lead to the de-industrialization of the industry and the degradation of the economic interaction of raw materials and processing industries.

      Fish industry

      full text http://svoim.info/201229/?29_4_1
    2. +5
      July 22 2012
      Quote: Chuck-Norris
      You can not join the WTO, and remain in the society of Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc.

      You can join and fulfill a role worthy of Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc.
      None of the critics of WTO accession has more competence on this issue than those who have been preparing it for 17 years.
      Really? What we see in the economy of the country over the past 17 years, just speaks of the lack of competence or commitment of the entire Putin economic team, and those who prepared the entry into the WTO in particular.
  14. anchonsha
    July 22 2012
    Although Chuck Noris, it seems a little clarified what the WTO means to us. And then everything - collapse, discord, decay, in all the roof goes from misunderstanding. Although everything is perfectly stated and it was about the WTO for about 20 years.
    1. Brother Sarych
      July 22 2012
      It is collapse and collapse, and the sheriff can hide all the stupid things in a very safe place - guess where?
      Or is he getting denyushka for propaganda of malicious decisions for the country?
    2. S_mirnov
      July 22 2012
      The plundering of the public domain was also discussed for 20 years, but this does not mean that it needs to be justified legally.
  15. -1
    July 22 2012
    I know me now for minus, but I can’t say ........ THIS IS NOT WE SHOULD BE AFRAID OF THE WTO THIS IS THE WTO ALMEN'S Fear of our "initiative" This is the same as voluntarily letting a squad of saboteurs on some secret "object" ... .......
  16. +1
    July 22 2012
    “Many industrialists say joining the WTO means bringing energy tariffs to the world level. Is it so?"

    None of the WTO documents has a requirement to raise energy prices. According to A. Chubais, head of RAO "UES of Russia", "there is our internal proposal, which has nothing to do with the WTO."

    “A sharp reduction in customs restrictions on the import of foreign products to us will lead to the fact that imported goods finally fill our market. Domestic producer will go bankrupt. Isn't that so? ”

    In Russia today the economy is quite open, we have relatively low duties. And the tariff proposal that Russia sent to the WTO for all items without exception is higher than the customs duties that apply today. For example, the current level of import tariffs in Russia as a whole is 9%, and in the official application of Russia, which is submitted to the WTO for negotiations and, most likely, will be eventually adopted, the level of import duty is average 11%, that is, we do not reduce tariffs.

    Head of the Ministry of Economic Development G. Gref: “They say that joining the WTO is fraught with destruction for us, relatively speaking, of the automobile industry, this is the most frequently repeated argument. Today, our duties on cars are set at 20 to 25%. In our proposal, which we sent to the WTO, there is a duty of 30%. And the question is: will we be able to join the WTO with this 30% duty or will we have to reduce it? This is a matter of interests of the relevant industry. <…> After a country joins the WTO, there are two so-called “tariff binding levels”. There is the level of binding with which the country is included, relatively speaking, 50%, and the level with which it should exist in the WTO, relatively speaking, 30%. And for all sensitive positions, there is such a rule, countries can agree on an implementation period, from 6 to 8 years, that is, a period during which there will be a decrease from 50% to 30% ”.

    “In my deep conviction, Russia's entry into the World Trade Organization will not give ordinary people anything. Why then do you need it? ”

    Opening a market is beneficial just for the population, because people get the opportunity to buy more higher quality goods at a lower price. This makes domestic manufacturers compete with foreign ones.

    And do not think that all domestic manufacturers will go broke right there. One simple example: in recent years, the quality of domestic meat and dairy products has dramatically improved, its range has expanded, and most Russian families today prefer our products. Would it be possible without competition with similar foreign-made products that poured into our market as a result of its liberalization? Obviously not.

    The same applies to the market of services used by the population, for example, banking, insurance. They will also become larger as a result of accession to the WTO, and their quality will be higher.

    “How are we going to protect our industry in the adaptation period, when will we begin to open our markets?”

    As for domestic producers, the situation here is not as straightforward as with consumers. But one thing can be said at once: healthy competition only contributes to the successful work of the national producer, which in a competitive environment will have to improve the quality of its goods. Example: at one time, the opening of the American market for the import of Japanese cars was very painful for the US industry, but the result was an improvement in the quality and cost of American-made cars.

    Of course, given the transitional state of the Russian economy, the incompleteness of structural transformations, etc., Russia cannot go for a wide opening of the domestic market to foreign goods. WTO members retain the possibility of applying restrictive measures against imports, for example, in cases where such imports cause serious damage to national producers of goods or lead to a violation of the normal state of the balance of payments. The only important thing is that such restrictions can be introduced on the basis of clearly established rules. When joining the WTO, new members can maintain the necessary level of tariff protection for the goods market or the services market. The specific level of such protection is the subject of negotiations on the accession conditions that Russia is currently leading.

    There are several ways in the arsenal of protecting the interests of a national producer.

    This is an introduction, if necessary, of a high level of duties on goods; this is the application of protective, anti-dumping and countervailing measures in relation to goods if their import into the Russian Federation is detrimental to Russian producers and when customs duties cannot provide the necessary level of protection; finally, it is the active use of the so-called tools available to a WTO member “Selective” protection of economic sectors from harmful competition. And as the most radical measure in critical cases, Russia can get out of the “binding” of the tariff.

    As for subsidies, the bans mainly concern export subsidies in industry (they are practically not used in Russia) or import substitution subsidies.

    The practice of subsidizing individual enterprises or industries, which, according to WTO rules, may provoke retaliatory measures, has been limited to a minimum in recent years. A special point remains subsidizing the agricultural sector, where all types of subsidies are still permitted by the WTO. It is important to agree on a reasonable level of such subsidies for Russia. In this area, we are negotiating based on projected needs for government support and affordable budgetary opportunities, based on ensuring multiple “safety margins”.

    “Is it true that by joining the WTO, Russia can never leave this organization?”

    The terms of participation in any trade agreement, including the World Trade Organization, do not prevent the state from exercising its sovereign right to withdraw from the agreement when it deems it necessary.

    “Is it true that after accession, Russia's trade policy will be determined by the World Trade Organization?”

    The WTO does not tell governments how to pursue their trade policies — the organization is led by its members. WTO agreements are adopted as a result of negotiations between member governments by consensus and ratified by parliaments.

    The coercion mechanism can be used only in case of a member’s withdrawal from fulfillment of its obligations, the occurrence of a trade dispute and its transfer to the WTO. The Dispute Resolution Body, which includes member countries, then takes the appropriate decision based on the findings of the dispute resolution panel or the outcome of the appeal. If a WTO member who has violated obligations does not intend to rectify the situation, he may be faced with retaliatory actions that will be authorized by the WTO.
    1. 0
      July 22 2012
      Thus, the WTO does not dictate policies to its members; on the contrary, its participants shape the organization’s policy.

      “Are there any measures envisaged to avoid the negative consequences of the loss of economic sovereignty by the Russian Federation as a result of accession to the WTO?”

      The WTO is no different from other international organizations that do not involve delegating any part of national sovereignty to supranational international bodies. This is its difference from integration-type organizations such as the European Union. In addition, the obligations of countries stem from other international agreements of an economic nature, most of which contain certain restrictions for the signatory governments.

      The WTO does not regulate property relations, macroeconomic, structural, antitrust, exchange rate policies, budgetary relations, investment regimes (excluding investments in services sectors, as well as trade measures related to investments); she does not interfere in defense and security matters.

      “Why are we following those who benefit from our entry into the WTO and who force us to join this organization?”

      To be or not to be in the WTO is a voluntary choice of any country, and therefore, both large and small states are currently negotiating. By joining the WTO, even a small country automatically enjoys all the guaranteed benefits of membership.

      By joining the WTO, the country assumes obligations, without requiring reciprocity, to reduce customs tariffs, thereby contributing to the process of trade liberalization. This requirement is common for all new members, and countries upon entry also agree to fulfill it voluntarily.

      “Is it true that the largest trading nations“ rule the ball ”in the WTO, and the small countries are powerless there?”

      This is not true. In the WTO trading system, everyone adheres to the same rules, which expands the negotiation capabilities of small countries. Thus, as part of the dispute resolution procedure, developing countries have successfully challenged actions taken by industrial states in the WTO. Outside of this system, these countries would be powerless in their actions against more influential trading partners.

      “The WTO is an organization of rich and successful countries pursuing their commercial interests. Russia will not be able to benefit from accession, if only because there is no place in this system for developing countries with economies in transition. Then why do we need this? ”

      The vast majority of WTO member countries are developing countries.

      WTO agreements include many important provisions that take into account the interests of developing countries. So, a longer period of time is provided for them to make the changes necessary in accordance with the rules of the WTO. Least developed countries have a special approach, including exceptions to many provisions of the agreements. The need to address development issues can also be used to justify actions that are usually prohibited by WTO agreements, such as the provision of government subsidies.

      “The export of hot rolled steel, including those produced by our company, is worrying. The workers on their paychecks feel, as they explain to us, the unconstructive position of the USA in this matter ... ”

      Russian hot rolled steel is one of the most discriminated types of Russian metal products on foreign markets. Mostly, our trading partners use anti-dumping measures to limit access to Russian hot rolled steel. Such restrictions are used by Mexico, Argentina, Ecuador, the Philippines, Venezuela, Egypt. India, Indonesia, Canada, China, etc.

      With the United States, things are a little different, and, unfortunately, not in our favor. At 1999, under the threat of introducing anti-dumping measures on Russian hot-rolled steel and complete closure for our producers as a result of this, the US market signed an Agreement on the suspension of the anti-dumping procedure. In exchange for the American side's refusal to use anti-dumping measures, Russia agreed to limit its supply of hot-rolled products to the American market both in volume and price. At the same time, a moratorium was introduced on the supply of these goods to the United States until the end of the 1999 year.

      In 2000, prices for hot-rolled products were constantly falling, and Russian hot-rolled steel was sold in the United States only in the first half of the 2000, in addition, under the terms of the agreement, the so-called “reference” price for Russian hot-rolled products was calculated every three months, below which Russian companies could not sell this product in the USA.

      In order to change the situation with the United States, several rounds of consultations were held. Unfortunately, these negotiations have reached an impasse and the parties have not been able to find a solution to the problem.

      In such a situation, the only acceptable option for resuming steel sales to the US market may be to revise the agreement and soften the terms of trade with the United States for hot rolled products for individual suppliers.
      1. S_mirnov
        July 22 2012
        Agricultural engineering

        Valery Maltsev, General Director of Rostselmash Combine Plant LLC

        To recreate a destroyed industry is a hundred times more difficult task than to maintain its competitiveness. If Russia joins the WTO on the terms proposed to us, there will be no turning back, and the country is doomed to become a raw materials appendage.

        The consequences of Russia's accession to the WTO for agricultural machine builders are dangerous in several ways:

        1. There will be a weakening of agriculture due to the opening of the market in hundreds of positions. As a result, peasants will not be able to invest in the purchase of new agricultural machinery.

        2. The cost of production will increase, which can no longer be affected by additional export duties. Therefore, products manufactured in Russia will always be somewhat more expensive than overseas.

        3. The duty on the import of new imported combines is reduced by 3 times, and the duty on used agricultural machinery will be reduced by 5 times. The Russian market will be filled with agricultural trash.

        4. Foreign agricultural machinery will have full access to all types of subsidies in the Russian Federation.

        Domestic production will become unprofitable. This will undermine the market by about 50% and further on the rise. As exporters, we supply harvesters to 27 countries. After entering the WTO, we will not get a single opportunity, not a single “eye of a needle” will open for us to increase exports.

        WTO lobbyists argue that industry officials will have the opportunity to apply to the WTO court. But a trip to Brussels, delegation equipment, payment for the services of foreign lawyers, translators - all these costs can be compared with the monthly budget of a large agricultural machine-building plant.

        We expect an increase in production costs because duties on the export of metals will be abolished, because prices for gas, electricity and so on will rise. The consequences of Russia's accession to the WTO are already being felt. Over the past four months, peasants have been shocked. The peasants' purchases of agricultural machinery were halved compared to the previous or the year before last in the same seasonal period.

        We forecast a gradual decrease in the share of domestic agricultural machinery in Russia from 52% to 3% by 2020. About 100 enterprises across the country will be lost, more than 50 thousand jobs will be cut.

        Today, agricultural machine builders are no longer investing in their development.


        Vladimir Boglaev, General Director of the Cherepovets Foundry and Mechanical Plant

        Factories like ours are an intermediary in production chains. Any relief for imports reduces volumes for partners, and the main problem for us will be the inability, even theoretically, to affect the predicted decrease in our sales market.

        In contrast, it is difficult for us to increase exports, since overcoming the barriers created abroad from technical regulations requires significant material resources and time. The price of entering the Western market for enterprises of our size is unbearable.

        Cherepovets Foundry and Mechanical Plant can be attributed to medium-sized businesses, where about 480 people work. But even our small factory for three years of work paid more than a billion rubles of wages and taxes. Multiplicative losses for the state from the likely closure of such enterprises will amount to 4-5 volumes of their annual sales.

        The main question: in which countries will production be closed? I think that when joining the WTO, there is no illusion that the member countries of the trade organization will provide a flow of investment to create jobs in Russia.

    2. 0
      July 23 2012
      More links to Chubais and Gref laughing

      And all your "facts" can be safely shoved ... you know where.

      Boldyrev, Glazyev, Delyagin - read their alignment on the WTO. Yes and comments S_mirnovbut they say a lot ...
  17. Vazya
    July 22 2012
    Quote: lotus04
    Have you forgotten to ask the population?

    More than 25 million people have invested in MMM 2011 and do you want these people to decide the fate of Russia?
  18. +2
    July 22 2012
    I will not list the pros and cons.
    All here, on the site, and who is for and who is against, unites one.
    Everyone wants Russia not to be stupid and that the people should not have to swell for the decisions of the government.
    In case of failure, at best they will modestly apologize, or rather they will keep silent, then they will throw someone and ministers at the mercy of people in order to distract the people. Well, then they will write the great works "On the culprits of progress and the fight against them"

    But I would like to remind them what happens to newcomers to the casino
    In the beginning always give win
    Then leave without pants!
    But here is not a casino and without the pants all the people can remain!
  19. +5
    July 22 2012
    And now we are not a raw materials appendage, or what? There is really no production, the factories are filled with tenants with Chinese rags, the fields are completely overgrown with weeds. Drive through cities and villages - along the road of weeds and devastation. At least to the south, at least to the east. The President and the Prime Minister are pushing us, how we live well, but in reality? Instead of promoting products of production - the promotion of southern, northern and other flows. Space is about, satellites are falling for no reason, for no reason, and we do not even control them. The east of the country is given to the Chinese, the center - to the Tajiks.
    We ourselves are to blame for this. Whom they took away - and they rule. You can't blind a bullet out of shit.
    Why do Tajiks in my city start working at 7 in the morning? I live on the first floor, and every morning he wakes me up with his broom. Or a lawn mower. Why are there only migrant workers at construction sites, and where are the Russians? All our laziness - we want everything for free and immediately. And with the authorities, and with the WTO - we must break ourselves, and not like Ilya Muromets, to sit on the stove.
    I am not a supporter of Bolotnaya or EDR, I make money with my hands. And I don’t cry from joining the WTO for one reason - I won’t sit idly by, I WILL WORK. Search and find, so, sort of?
    1. +3
      July 22 2012
      And I don’t cry from joining the WTO for one reason - I won’t sit idly by, I WILL WORK. Search and find, like?

      We all work and serve! And here we don’t cry, WE DISCUSS AND SHARE OUR THOUGHTS AND EXPERIENCES, because people are not indifferent to the fate of Russia and its people, the fate of their children - what they will get tomorrow!

      I just can’t understand what you want to find?
      Or is this empty phrase, so on occasion, - saw, made up, wrote ?!
  20. sonik-007
    July 22 2012
    Quote: Vasya
    A package of documents is being prepared, which provides for a sharp restriction (actually liquidation) of the sovereign rights of states to regulate investment processes in their territories. So, transnational corporations will have the right to judicially challenge those national laws that reduce the profits of TNCs from production and investment activities in the respective countries. And also - to demand compensation for the damage (lost profits). Like this

    Where does infa come from? Where is the link? Another balobolstvo information war.
  21. +3
    July 22 2012
    Ruswolf - I want to gain independence from the WTO, missile defense, air force, navy and other things. I want to just live in peace. And to know that I and my family will be covered CA, Russian army, navy, and generally the STATE. And at the Military Review, just discussing a cup of cognac :) the merits of one or another weapon, and not the quality of life when joining or not joining all kinds of organizations - at least BRICS, at least Twin Peaks ... Well, I doubt very much that some kind of hamburger eater from Florida knows about the WTO. He goes and works. Good or bad is his business. And lives quietly.
    In general, it seems to me that our society is excessively politicized - if not for some smart people on the site who had told everything about the WTO, 90 percent of nifig do not understand this. I am including. And I DO NOT NEED to understand. I pay taxes and want to sleep peacefully. And let the STATE arrange such a life for me. It is his (state's) duty. Suppose, through the WTO, the notorious, or something else, but it must make people live normally.
    1. 0
      July 22 2012
      I want to gain independence from the WTO, ABM, Air Force, Navy, and more. I want to just live in peace.

      And I DO NOT NEED to understand. I pay taxes and want to sleep peacefully

      And let the STATE arrange such a life for me. It is his (state's) duty. Suppose, through the WTO, the notorious, or something else, but it must make people live normally.

      My dear, and you in your life, at least for which you have and before whom you bear responsibilities, responsibility.?
      Excuse me but
      - I do not want to understand ... .. I do not want to delve into ... .. I do not want to do ......... there is a state .......
      These are the thoughts of the SLAVE
      And maybe you have not forgotten that the State consists of a people! And the one who is here on the site and of you as well. Or do you think that everyone should treat you, if only you would be calmer - I don’t see, I don’t hear, I won’t tell ....

      Anyone who is willing to sacrifice freedom for security does not deserve freedom or security (B. Franklin)
  22. +1
    July 22 2012
  23. +1
    July 22 2012
    Allow me to add my five cents to this discussion.
    From joining the WTO, Russia gets its pros and cons. Well, now for more details. Cons - elimination of 20 - 25 million jobs mainly in the manufacturing sector (these are the conclusions of serious experts) within five years. I remind you that currently about 30 million people are employed in the production sector. The rest of the working population is employed in the non-production sphere, since services, entertainment, sale, etc.
    Pros - restrictions are removed for access to world markets, all kinds of restrictions are removed, similar to the American Jackson-Venik law. Who will receive the dividends I think is clear to everyone. Again, a handful of billionaires owning the oil and gas industry, metallurgy and other raw material bases. A big plus could have been gained by the country from this entry if it had remained the owner of the raw material assets. But alas, most of them belong to a narrow group of people. And the state intended to sell that small balance that it has at the moment. Does this not tell you anything? So think guys, for whom the entry is good, and for whom the loop? Sincerely.
  24. 0
    July 22 2012
    Dear Ruswolf. I am responsible in this life, first to my family, and only then to someone else. Я must feed the family.
    That is the whole responsibility. If in this country I can’t feed my family, working like a donkey, then the problems are not in my attitude to the country, but in the attitude of the country to me. And not even the country, namely the STATE.
    And the definition of the STATE is taught at school. The state is not a country. Take the same Britons. The state is one - there are several countries (if it can be called countries) - several. So, I’m talking about the attitude of the state. Please do not confuse CONCEPTS. I KEEP THIS POINT OF VIEW.
    I did not force my wife and my son and my son to accept Russian citizenship because we have a state, but because of that COUNTRY. And my son shouldn’t tear it away ...
    If you have a different point of view - your business, you live ...
    And finally: the appeal "dear" is suitable for gateways and very unpleasant to hear. Want a normal dispute - "watch the bazaar". I did not study at MGIMO ...
    1. 0
      July 22 2012
      I do not see a reason for resentment in the word “Dear” - unless you yourself are looking for insults.
      Regarding the appeal itself, I can advise you to read "Russian Etiquette of the Beginning of the XX Century"
      Although if you are satisfied with your intellectual baggage, and you don’t need to expand your knowledge and even more so to test it, I agree to the proletarian turn - “Comrade”

      And on other issues, I realized the dialogue with you will not work!

      For general development:
      A country, a people are all the components of the State that are its integral part.

      I can fuller

      a country is a territory in which certain nations live,
      and the state also includes the sovereignty of this country, cultural and political features, a certain form of government, state structure, political regime and status at the world level.

      In general, read at your leisure
      Jacques Maritain
      I think the dialogue between us is closed!
  25. -1
    July 22 2012
    Yes .., joined the WTO and what will it smell like? An interesting situation! Well, once they slipped us this pig, it means we need to try what it is with, so we’ll find out what kind of taste the WTO has, who will break their teeth and who will be sweet. wassat wink Yes

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