Results of the car market-2019: thousands of Russians decided to hold off with new cars

Results of the car market-2019: thousands of Russians decided to hold off with new cars

The Association of European Businesses (AEB) summed up the results of new car sales in Russia in 2019 and came to a disappointing conclusion: the Russian car market fell by 2,3%. Car sales have been declining since April. From January to December, 1 million 760 thousand new cars were sold compared to 1 million 801 thousand in 2018.


Some have growth, others fall


In December, however, the market revived and showed growth of 2,3 percent. During this month, 179 thousand passenger cars and light commercial vehicles were sold instead of 175 thousand a year earlier. Experts explained the December spurt simply.

Since January 2020, an additional recycling fee has been introduced, which raises the cost of a budget car by about 50 thousand rubles. For poor Russian consumers, this amount seemed substantial. They preferred to buy a new car in December without any additional price burden.

The market leader is still Lada. Demand for it rose by 1%, to 362 thousand cars. The increase was given by the Grant and Vest models. Largus and XRAY showed a minus, which can be explained by their higher price over other models of the brand with similar options.

The top three included Korean Kia and Hyundai, which sold 226 and 179 thousand cars, respectively. “Koreans” managed to maintain sales in 2018. Experts explain the stability of Korean brands in the Russian market by acceptable price-quality ratio, reputation and good advertising for consumers.

The market’s surprises include the steady growth in sales of Renault and Skoda brands. The first has grown by 2018 by 6%, to 145 thousand cars. The second increased its sales by 9% to 89 thousand cars. There are two reasons for this result. Firstly, Ford left the market in this price segment; it showed a 43% drop and freed a niche for competitors. Secondly, the localization of Skoda Kodiaq spurred its sales.

By the way, thanks to local production in Russia and the EAEU, high growth (three to four times) was achieved by Haval and Geely. However, they still do not make the weather on the market, taking a modest 20 and 21 places in the sales ranking with the result of 12284 and 9602 cars sold.

The Russian fleet is still spoiled with dirty engines


Summing up the results of 2019, AEB gives a disappointing forecast for the year 2020. The market will again go negative by the same 2%. Other experts draw quite pessimistic scenarios - a five or even ten percent drop in sales.

However, the forecast of these experts, made last January, came true exactly the opposite, therefore, we will adhere to the AEB estimates. Last year’s forecast was generally confirmed in the year’s results.

Another drop in sales is fraught with further aging of the Russian fleet. According to expert estimates, he has now reached 53 million vehicles. Five years ago, the number of imported cars exceeded the domestic fleet.

Since then, this indicator has ceased to attach particular importance. Since the market has undergone major changes. Foreign car assembly came to Russia, then full-fledged production. For example, at Hyundai plants in the Leningrad Region and VW in the Kaluga Region, a full production cycle with a high level of localization has been mastered.

Ahead of all - Renault Logan assembled in Moscow. It consists of two-thirds of the details of Russian production. In fact, today it is a Russian product. If we take the top models of the Lada, on the contrary, they are crammed with import units under the hood, absorbing the price of the manufacturers of these units.

In this regard, experts now evaluate the fleet in terms of the ratio of old and new cars, the environmental friendliness of their engines. Autumn RIA "News", Referring to the data of" Avtostat ", made this alignment in the Russian park.

“At the beginning of 2019, the average age of the Russian fleet was 13,4 years, while 35% of the fleet was over 15 years old, the share of foreign cars in it was 62%, the share of cars with a diesel engine was only 5%, cars with an eco-class Euro -4 and above - almost 45%. ”

Over the past year, the ratio has not changed significantly, so we can confidently conclude that more than half of Russian cars are spoiled with "dirty" engines. Better situation in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, the Kuban. Because there is a higher percentage of new cars. The regions are lagging behind these automobile centers, and some are significantly behind.

In recent years, authorities have been talking about introducing restrictions on the entry into the city of cars with an environmental standard below Euro-4, but so far this has only affected used foreign cars imported from abroad. Nevertheless, the fight against global warming will sooner or later lead to restrictions on environmentally friendly transport.

Meanwhile, the renewal of the Russian fleet has slowed. As evidenced by the decline in sales of new cars in 2019 and the pessimistic forecast of experts for the current year.
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  1. Svarog 1 February 2020 08: 33 New
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    Meanwhile, the renewal of the Russian fleet has slowed. As evidenced by the decline in sales of new cars in 2019 and the pessimistic forecast of experts for the current year.

    But the population decline has accelerated .. All this testifies to the "effectiveness" of the country's leadership.
    1. Pessimist22 1 February 2020 08: 42 New
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      Strange, people constantly have, but it does not breed ....
      1. Svarog 1 February 2020 08: 43 New
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        Quote: Pessimist22
        Strange, people constantly have, but it does not breed ....

        It can be seen when they are protected .. Now the minuses are fused laughing
        1. Prisoner 1 February 2020 10: 09 New
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          ... don't toss bags. In these countries, we also tried? Or yours have not yet come up with this fact excuse?
          1. Svarog 1 February 2020 11: 06 New
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            Quote: Captive
            .Do not toss the bags. In these countries, we also tried?

            So I live in Russia and Russian, respectively, I do not care what is in other countries .. I am concerned about the situation in Russia.
            1. Prisoner 1 February 2020 11: 27 New
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              I already predict this standard phrase. A similar excuse included in four cases out of five different "Crimean granddaughters" from Arkansas. laughing laughing laughing
              1. rich 1 February 2020 14: 56 New
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                Svarog: So I live in Russia and Russian, respectively, I do not care what is in other countries .. I am concerned about the situation in Russia.

                Can I ask a question? And what does your “trident” do in nickname? Nothing personal, just interesting
          2. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 11: 54 New
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            Judging by the table, this is a forecast from 2015 to 2050.
          3. Greenwood 1 February 2020 12: 06 New
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            Apart from Japan, in which the cult of careerism and electronic entertainment that interferes with personal life, all the other countries on this list suffer from unemployment and a low standard of living, it is certainly higher than in Russia, but low by the standards of Western Europe, North America and developed countries of Asia. Young people in these countries sit on their suitcases and leave the country as soon as possible. This applies even to Portugal with Greece.
          4. Revival 1 February 2020 14: 30 New
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            And what is it that you brought us a list of countries that call themselves the largest, richest in resources and superpowers?
            Are you going to measure with Bulgaria? So this is very significant.
            And in general, what's the difference between them and what they have just as bad or worse?
            Are we going to a completely different place in the world, so to speak, or like Romania, Bulgaria, Portugal?
          5. Avior 1 February 2020 20: 07 New
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            Did you notice that we are talking about the year 2050?
            Now what kind of calendar?
          6. AKS-U 2 February 2020 07: 49 New
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            Japan, Greece and Portugal are old CapCountries. The rest are "former Socialism." We are being killed by the rules.
        2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 1 February 2020 10: 14 New
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          Not everything is so bad, sales of premium German brands are growing (for whom it is war and for whom mother is dear). And the author of the article is wrong that Renault Logan is assembled in Moscow. He was long ago transferred to the conveyor in Tolyatti. As for the recycling fee, which was introduced in 2012 simultaneously with Russia's entry into the WTO and a reduction in import duties on cars. Until January 1, 2020, almost all Russian car assembly plants received industrial subsidies that offset the collection. According to the new concept of differentiation of industrial subsidies, automakers are guaranteed to receive only 2020% of utilization fee compensation in 50, the remaining payments will depend on the number of points received for the level of production localization. Moreover, in order to receive a subsidy, the presence of a special investment contract is a prerequisite. This is an attempt by the government to push a deeper degree of localization in the shrinking auto market. They realized that the market has narrowed, their purchasing power has declined, and they cannot get manufacturers to make new investments for good. The capacities of plants in Russia are calculated at 3 million a year, and sold half as much. Therefore, they decided once again to change the rules of the game and force manufacturers to invest.
        3. tihonmarine 1 February 2020 11: 28 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          It can be seen when they are protected .. Now the minuses are fused

          I did not expect to see such a reaction to your comment.
      2. Lamata 1 February 2020 17: 11 New
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        And they still have contraceptives
    2. Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 08: 44 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      But the population decline has accelerated .. All this testifies to the "effectiveness" of the country's leadership.

      And the impoverishment of the people, and on the other hand, the number of billionaires has grown by an order in Russia! Their total value is already half a trillion ..
      The authorities got nervous, who will work for them in the future ..?
      Capitalism, what can I say .. Here they will throw a few bones to the population from their table .... And they will begin to give birth,
      In some villages in a deep province, it was perceived as a source of income and survival .. laughing Well, God forbid, of course, but then what?
      As EBN said, I can’t eat sturgeon when people are miserable ..)))
    3. seti 1 February 2020 08: 48 New
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      We’re already listening to you all around.
      1. Pessimist22 1 February 2020 08: 51 New
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        The best option is to wrap yourself in a sheet and crawl slowly towards the cemetery smile
      2. Svarog 1 February 2020 08: 59 New
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        Quote: seti
        We’re already listening to you all around.

        And when do you think the edge will be? For two consecutive years, mortality exceeds birth rates, all sectors of the economy stagnate .. household incomes fall for four consecutive years ..
        1. NEXUS 1 February 2020 11: 46 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          And when do you think the edge will be? For two consecutive years, mortality exceeds birth rates, all sectors of the economy stagnate .. household incomes fall for four consecutive years ..

          Income, mortality, crises, the decline in economic growth, etc., etc., are all artificial levers of influence on the population of any country. Do you think it couldn't be worse? We live according to the laws of the WEST! We play their games, where they write the rules of the game. So tell me, how can something good be in where, initially, we are a loser as a country, and a double loser, as the people of this country?
          There is a war with us, and we all comfort ourselves with the hope that everything will be fine. And again we accept the rules of the game of the West, not playing according to our own rules.
          1. Svarog 1 February 2020 12: 18 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: Svarog
            And when do you think the edge will be? For two consecutive years, mortality exceeds birth rates, all sectors of the economy stagnate .. household incomes fall for four consecutive years ..

            Income, mortality, crises, the decline in economic growth, etc., etc., are all artificial levers of influence on the population of any country. Do you think it couldn't be worse? We live according to the laws of the WEST! We play their games, where they write the rules of the game. So tell me, how can something good be in where, initially, we are a loser as a country, and a double loser, as the people of this country?
            There is a war with us, and we all comfort ourselves with the hope that everything will be fine. And again we accept the rules of the game of the West, not playing according to our own rules.

            So, in general, I agree with you 100%, and I’ll confirm it here .. It is so, we play cards with a sharpie at the same table, despite the fact that the sharpie has a large support team and marked cards. It is not possible to win. We won only under Stalin, when we had our own model of development and the idea we believed in, and of course managers who were true patriots.
          2. starev 1 February 2020 17: 04 New
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            I apologize, but the draft of the new Administrative Code of the Russian Federation posted on the network by the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation, in which country of the world did they write? Who should go to clean the snout?
            1. Mazuta 1 February 2020 18: 46 New
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              So that's why they vote "for the list" ...
          3. Alf
            Alf 1 February 2020 19: 14 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            There is a war with us, and we all comfort ourselves with the hope that everything will be fine.

            Moreover, not only foreigners are fighting with us, but also their own government, and it is fighting most successfully.
      3. Dur_mod 1 February 2020 11: 07 New
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        You haven’t yet, but in Ukraine it’s already, but there is no limit to people's patience, you can break through bottom after bottom until you start to scatter.
      4. tihonmarine 1 February 2020 11: 31 New
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        Quote: seti
        We’re already listening to you all around.

        Those who have not seen the worst, for those region.
      5. NEXUS 1 February 2020 12: 23 New
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        Quote: seti
        We’re already listening to you all around.

        Edge or not edge, but as soon as it becomes a little better, another hemorrhoid pops up, crisis, pension reform, and so on, that people stuff it even deeper into this one, excuse me.
        We live according to the law of the West, our ruble depends on the Western currency (euro, dollar), many industries, medicine, science, etc. to one degree or another depend on the West. Western elites are waging a war with us, and we console ourselves with the illusions that everything is normal with us. It will not be good with us as long as we live according to the laws of the West.
        1. lis-ik 1 February 2020 13: 36 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          We live according to the law of the West, our ruble depends on the western currency (euro, dollar)

          That’s what really needs to be changed in the constitution, and not to adapt it to oneself.
      6. UserGun 1 February 2020 12: 40 New
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        Of course not the edge. Just stomping on the spot. For decades. What is called "stability". With what everyone who harnesses for this "stability", by my own stupidity, and congratulations.
    4. Mar.Tirah 1 February 2020 09: 05 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      But the population decline accelerated ..

      And if it’s about the auto industry here, I can’t buy a domestic lighter after the Japanese Toyota, because I’m not sure that it will not break on a swamp or mud, and then I’ll be thinking about ecology last. drive and say nothing. For the hillocks, they primarily think about the reliability of the machine and engine components, which have a million kilometers warranty, design and driving comfort. And look at our guarantees? You can’t deceive people. We still make rockets better than cars (although this is necessary) ..
      1. Svarog 1 February 2020 09: 09 New
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        Quote: Mar. Tira
        And here has decreased if we are talking about the auto industry?

        Well, imagine that the population has died out ... who will buy the car. The population decline indicates a deplorable situation, including in the economy, which directly affects demand .. these are all links in one chain.
        Our car industry has long been conditionally ours .. half of the shares of foreign partners ..
        1. Hunter 2 1 February 2020 13: 12 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          And here has decreased if we are talking about the auto industry?

          Well, imagine that the population has died out ... who will buy the car.

          belay You have lost talent! You should go to the Fantasy section (post-apocalyptic scenario) - There would be no price!
          Why change the articles in which you leave comments? Write in One! Immediately throw a couple of dozen - and relax calmly. yes
          1. Krasnodar 1 February 2020 13: 30 New
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            Quite right: Soft - warm ..))
          2. Revival 1 February 2020 14: 39 New
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            Oh, come on!
            Criticism of the party line in the comments was detected before writing?)))
        2. Alf
          Alf 1 February 2020 19: 17 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          Our car industry has long been conditionally ours .. half of the shares of foreign partners ..

          Ha, if only half. 68% of AvtoVAZ belongs to Renault-Nissan, and the rest is generally a dark story.
      2. D16
        D16 1 February 2020 09: 59 New
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        For hillocks, they think primarily about the reliability of the machine and engine components, where a million kilometers guarantee

        Maybe it was, 15-20 years ago, but the time has come for small turbocharged engines. And along with them the need to part with almost new cars after 100-200 thousand kilometers. You give in the trade in the "old", take a new one. You pay 12-15 t. per month, and as soon as you pay off the loan, it's time to change the car again laughing .
        But look at our guarantees? You can’t deceive people.

        The same exact guarantees. Our bubble pumps with atmospheric engines will also be more reliable than the current imported ones.
      3. vindigo 1 February 2020 10: 42 New
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        Millionaires have not done for a long time. Not profitable. 200000 disposable motors
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 1 February 2020 11: 38 New
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          In addition to disposable motors, disposable transmissions also appeared. Instead of a reliable fluid coupling, they put a variator, cheap in production.
          1. Mazuta 1 February 2020 18: 58 New
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            your truth ...
        2. lis-ik 1 February 2020 13: 38 New
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          Quote: vindigo
          Millionaires have not done for a long time. Not profitable. 200000 disposable motors

          They try for 150000, so that they die together with the guarantee. So, however, and everywhere in serious technology.
          1. Revival 1 February 2020 14: 44 New
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            Exactly
      4. _Sergei_ 1 February 2020 11: 08 New
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        I had a Nissan millionaire, every 10k km engine capital. 4 kapitalki made and ordered a contract. Which after 5000 died. Surrendered in metal, I’ve been driving a VAZ-11 for 2115 years now, I’ve reeled up 160000. I only changed the radiator and the front pillars. And then a tit flew into the radiator.
        1. New Year day 1 February 2020 11: 50 New
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          Quote: _Sergey_
          I’ve been traveling for 11 years on a VAZ-2115, I’ve reeled up 160000.

          I have a VAZ-09 of 1999, I ran into almost half a lemon. Last year, dvigun new assembled and continue to ride on it. The view is unpretentious, but they give way all the way — some respect, some are afraid.
          It performs its function, it suits me.
      5. NEXUS 1 February 2020 13: 50 New
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        Quote: Mar. Tira
        For hillocks, they think primarily about the reliability of the machine and engine components, where a million kilometers guarantee

        Millionaires have not been doing it for a long time. You bought your Toyota for a high price. Saved up, you denied yourself something ... but you never wondered what they are doing with those Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes, Dodge, etc., which they stupidly did not sell to the population, but which they already produced? not sold cars are just beyond the limit. And the same Toyota that you took, say for 500 thousand parrots (conditionally), somewhere a brand new one is rusting and not even a fly mated on it, but at the same time, nobody needs it there.
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        design

        Design is that wrapper on which buyers also catch, as crucians on bloodworms.
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        driving comfort

        Convenience of driving primarily depends on the quality of the roads. I’ll say it exaggerated on an asphalt road (conditionally in the mirror) and it’s very comfortable to drive on the ancient Zhiguli.
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        You can’t deceive people.

        Quite the contrary. They inflate us godlessly. What is the cost price of your Toyota did not think? And how is the pricing before selling to you? Excuse me, you’re telling me that you’re being treated fairly.
        1. Mar.Tirah 2 February 2020 06: 33 New
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          Excuse me, you’re telling me that you’re being treated fairly

          How many people have so many opinions. In any case, I’ve been traveling for 8 years without major repairs, and in the mud, and in the slush, and in the forest, and in the floodplain meadows, only consumables, a small profile. I changed the repair and rubber, which I wish everyone. But I will never get behind the wheel of a “PATRIOT” because I have a “PRADO” made by Japan for Germany. I don’t need a LADA for nothing because I have a “CAMRI” even though the state takes dearly for it. This is a different level of cars, albeit of an older generation, in relation to new domestic cars. And I know how much the same "PRADO" is only right-hand drive at an auction in Japan. My friend is doing this in Vladivostok. hi
      6. Mazuta 1 February 2020 18: 57 New
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        "... So I can’t buy a domestic lighter, after the Japanese Toyota ..."
        But is someone forcing ?!
        Often had to burn in the domestic? !!
        But what about the call to support the domestic (French-Japanese) manufacturer ?! You did not penetrate ?!

        "... For the hillocks, they think primarily about the reliability of the machine and engine components, where there is a guarantee for a million kilometers, design and driving comfort ..."
        I assure you, everything is not so rosy ...
      7. Freeman 2 February 2020 00: 07 New
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        Mar. Thira (Oleg) Today, 09: 05
        For hillocks, they think primarily about the reliability of the machine and engine components, where a million kilometers guarantee

        Forget these "folk legends" of the time when engineers built cars - now marketers build cars.

        The standard “Asian” car warranty is 3 years or 100 thousand km.

        The standard "European" guarantee is 2 years. no mileage restrictions.
        But! To "reel" this same "million" in 2 years, you have to drive 2739 km. per day. wink
        1. Mordvin 3 2 February 2020 01: 07 New
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          Quote: Freeman
          But! To "reel" this same "million" in 2 years, you have to drive 2739 km. per day.

          Che, I got half as much. 1370
          1. Freeman 2 February 2020 01: 46 New
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            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Freeman
            But! To "reel" this same "million" in 2 years, you have to drive 2739 km. per day.

            Che, I got half as much. 1370

            Sorry, you're right. hi
      8. Ponchik78 2 February 2020 09: 10 New
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        In to us from the 90s on a time machine arrived? Fifteen millionth Japanese engines on Japanese cars are already gone. Like galvanizing the body. There is no longer the legendary (without sarcasm) quality of Japanese cars. The quality of the main players in the global auto-promo is now approximately at the same level. And AvtoVAZ as well.
    5. smart ass 1 February 2020 10: 39 New
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      I decided to go the other way. I drove my Mitsubishi Karisma to a car repair shop. As a result, in 2 months it has been done: front bumper, rear bumper, wings are changed, hood, windshield, painted in a circle. The interior tightened (leather) seats, steering wheel, gearshift lever, handbrake. Must give back next week ...
      1. Romey 1 February 2020 11: 03 New
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        Well, you can properly maintain the appearance and extend the life of body elements. But hodovka ... If you changed, something native is everything. The quality of spare parts is such that it has not been running for more than two years. Here I have on Skoda covered the rear morters. Changed to not the cheapest. Departed less than a year. I went to the dealer and put the original ones for an impressive amount of money, in any case they gave me a tooth. Departed a little over a year. And so on all the elements of the chassis.
        1. smart ass 1 February 2020 11: 28 New
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          My relatives Monroe were 150 thousand and were okay, I changed them to Kayaba just for the prevention of schA 220 mileage all ok inspection every spring
      2. Mazuta 1 February 2020 19: 02 New
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        Successfully add and exploit !!!
  2. polar fox 1 February 2020 08: 44 New
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    but all have plenty of cars))) like mine: 30 years old, 17 years old and a new one-10 years old)))
    1. seti 1 February 2020 08: 56 New
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      That's it - all yards / parking lots are clogged with new cars. And often premium. Most friends in families have two cars. You can’t see the Soviet automobile industry. But the main result - everything was gone Putin, the villain, the government does not sleep, thinks how to dunk us with his head in shit ..
      The market is saturated - it’s not necessarily possible to buy a new one and a 5-6 year old with a range of 100-120 thousand for quite reasonable money. Last month, a neighbor bought a 6 year old Passat with a mileage of 88 thousand for 650 rubles. The car is ideal.
      1. polar fox 1 February 2020 09: 00 New
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        Most friends in families have two cars. You can’t see the Soviet automobile industry.

        good friends ... and in our village there are only Lada for everyone and Niva ...
        1. seti 1 February 2020 09: 02 New
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          For a change in the city, drop by and see for yourself. For the village of Niva the most. Especially far from the center. If a family has 90-100 rubles a month of income and buying a new car is not a problem.
          1. edeligor 1 February 2020 09: 58 New
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            Quote: seti
            If the family has 90-100 rubles income per month

            Do you, Matvey, know many such families not within the capitals? If so, then your optimism is clear. Personally, I see everything and everything regressing around, because I work far from the capitals and with ordinary people. And this is the answer to your comment about who is to blame. 20 years in power, besides tightening the tax press and widening the income gap, NO! With this, triumphant reports and the escalation of propaganda hysteria.
            1. Sergei 23 1 February 2020 13: 08 New
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              With this, victorious reports and escalation of propaganda hysteria .... And there is no place for everyone to park at the same time !!! Putin is definitely to blame!
            2. seti 1 February 2020 13: 50 New
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              In general, almost all of my friends (family) who work and not only for themselves have a stable income of more than 90 rubles. There are those who live on their own - here it’s different, but everyone has 45 or more rubles a month. There is a good friend, he is a mechanical engineer in a large auto repair shop - he didn’t get less than 100 a month but he works rather than chatting. You need to look for a well-paid job a lot of it, but for it you need to be a specialist. 30-40 rubles if you want to find in the central regions is not a problem at all - on the periphery 10 rubles less, but I repeat if you want to work and know how, you can quite raise 100 rubles and more. A neighbor is a floor lower and vice versa - the CNC lathe has 80-90 thousand, the wife on maternity leave has 2 children in her arms. They already have 2 cars and a summer cottage for 1.5 lama. By your logic, did he either steal or trade in drugs?
              1. Revival 1 February 2020 14: 58 New
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                It would be interesting to consult with you how in the Astrakhan region it would be for 100000/1200000 p. go, for example, in Ikryan, only the BIOS plant with sn 10000 / 12000r. Do not finish chtoli?
                Or do you have to leave? Burn fire with a mustache, will we pull into the heels of agglomerations of 30000000 people throughout Russia?
                Such logic?
                5 cities of monsters and a mustache.
                And everyone is good.
                And only border guards and geologists see the rest of Russia ....
              2. Alf
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                Quote: seti
                In general, almost all of my friends (family) who work and not only for themselves have a stable income of more than 90 rubles. You need to look for a well-paid job a lot of it, but for it you need to be a specialist. 30-40 rubles if you want to find in the central regions is not a problem at all - 10 rubles less in the periphery, but I repeat if you want to work and know how to, then you can quite raise 100 rubles and more. A neighbor is a floor lower and vice versa - the CNC lathe has 80-90 thousand, the wife on maternity leave has 2 children in her arms. They already have 2 cars and a summer cottage for 1.5 lama.

          2. 2 Level Advisor 1 February 2020 10: 46 New
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            The average age of cars in Russia exceeded 13 years, in Russia, buyers most often spend from 300 to 600 thousand rubles for a used car. According to Avtostat agency. Here is the answer. And if you fold Msk, I think there will be an average used car price of 250-400 tr. So think about Matvey, why they write like that .. Zamkadye is also a people and you’ll be tired of looking for income of 100 mp per family .. and if the car is 300-400, then you sold the previous one for 200-300 and added 100 more often .. and on credit. Is this your indicator of a good life, Matvey?
            1. Astoria 1 February 2020 12: 48 New
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              Statistics is a crafty thing. in 2009, the average age was 11,5, in 2019 exceeded 13. On the one hand, it is not from a good life, on the other hand, the demand for cars in large cities is falling.
            2. seti 1 February 2020 13: 55 New
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              Everywhere different living conditions. Somewhere, they pay 100 rubles for one work, and in another city 60 for the anthological one. I’m not a Muscovite if that. Have you ever tried repair work? Foundations, masonry, aerated concrete and more? Believe me, you can make good money on the periphery in a small city and not hit the keys. A painter of good quality plasterer 50 rubles a month without any problems will raise somewhere in Samara.
              1. 2 Level Advisor 1 February 2020 17: 17 New
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                Matvey, I’m satisfied with my earnings, I don’t want to build, I’m doing what I love .. You see, firstly, the majority do not have an entrepreneurial spirit, and this is normal, and not everyone wants to live at work .. secondly, and if you like being a person : doctor, teacher, researcher? Throw your favorite business and in construction? Is that normal? It is also abnormal when the only way to get more is to move to the "non-rubber" one. Honestly, it doesn’t come to mind more than a country where the living standard is so different from the rest of the country in one city .. this is also not normal
              2. Ingvar 72 1 February 2020 22: 58 New
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                Quote: seti
                A painter of good quality plasterer 50 rubles a month without any problems will raise somewhere in Samara.

                Unofficially, working 10-12 hours a day. On the official s \ n with a social package a maximum of 20-25.
                I work in the topic of repairs, in terms of plumbing, s \ n less than half the speed. There is no social package. I know the prices and income of allies. This is in Togliatti.
                At the mother's place in Mezhdurechensk, peasants wander on a shift to Moscow (two weeks in two), they officially work in the subway, s / n 30t.rub. In Mezhdurechensk work for more than 15 tr can not found.
                1. seti 1 February 2020 23: 21 New
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                  I read the answers to the comments in this thread - people are really crying / aching. Everyone wants new houses, new cars, but to work or to look for a traveling paid job is not eager. The impression is that here unsubscribed youngsters or couch workers who owe a coffin unsubscribed. And who says that everyone is easy? I’m of work, I work 12 hours a day, 6 days a week .. but nonetheless I earn extra money as much as possible - I want my family to have something. You can of course sit drinking beer or click on the keyboard scolding everyone but not yourself. There is a goal you need to strive for - no one will simply bring prosperity on a plate. 15 rubles are you serious? Well, I do not believe. My aunt gets a pension of 17 rubles, and she worked all her life as a nurse. She was offered a cleaner for 11 but she refused - she has enough pensions. Niece teacher of the Russian language + class / extension - 43 .. Probably I'm in another Russia ..
                  1. Freeman 2 February 2020 00: 37 New
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                    seti (Matvey Livanov) Today, 23: 21
                    I am of the job, I work 12 hours a day, 6 days a week .. but nonetheless I work part-time as I can - I want my family to have something.


                    Found something to brag about.

                    Our ancestors made the revolution, including in the struggle for an 8-hour working day.
                    All that you earn with this mode of operation, you must earn with a "standard" 8-hour working day.
                    - And with this approach, you, and "thanks to you and us, will soon be" working for food. "

                    Threat. Your "stakhanovism" would deserve praise, but with a completely different social system. hi
          3. polar fox 1 February 2020 11: 20 New
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            Quote: seti
            If a family has 90-100 rubles a month of income and buying a new car is not a problem.

            and then! only among my acquaintances such is not observed ... maybe we talk about different Russia? not?
      2. Oleg Skvortsov 1 February 2020 09: 12 New
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        Matvey, are you serious with a 6 year old trade wind? with such junk only in the cemetery
        1. smart ass 1 February 2020 11: 38 New
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          And my car is 20 years old, where? Go to hell?
      3. Nonna 1 February 2020 09: 55 New
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        Matvey, what is the Soviet automobile industry? The USSR has been gone for 30 years. As for the "parking lot" - everything is credited, Yes, and novia is not so much - basically, as you write - six-year-old trash and not from a good life do not take novie, but because there is no money
        1. seti 1 February 2020 13: 58 New
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          And why take a new one for 1.5 Lyama if you can use a used one in almost ideal for 700 and with low mileage? It is clear that someone wants a new car, but then you need to think not about the trade winds but about the Lada Vesta. In principle, whoever has it, the people are not complaining about a great car for their money.
          1. Revival 1 February 2020 15: 02 New
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            A normal person is not supposed to have a new car!
            The upper limousines are also 6 years old, after Merkel, yes.
            1. Revival 1 February 2020 22: 39 New
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              There was sarcasm, if that)))
          2. 2 Level Advisor 1 February 2020 17: 24 New
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            Then I agree, I think so myself .. but the bulk of the population didn’t have too much of 700, by the way. I didn’t really hear any complaints about Vesta
        2. Servisinzhener 2 February 2020 17: 45 New
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          There is no money, so they take a car with someone who used it on credit ... When there is no money, it’s not the cars that they take, but the products for recording in the store. More recently, this was a mass phenomenon.
      4. _Sergei_ 1 February 2020 11: 11 New
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        I have three cars in my family, my son and daughters-in-law have mine. The eldest daughter has two in the family. Only the youngest has one Prado.
        1. tihonmarine 1 February 2020 11: 48 New
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          Quote: _Sergey_
          I have three cars in my family, my son and daughters-in-law have mine. The eldest daughter has two in the family. Only the youngest has one Prado.

          Finally, I hear the just words of a man who does not favor, but who speaks about life as it is. And the “mourners” all the time
          Either in the garden, the cattle will fall, the cattle will fall, or the stove will be consumed by bad traction
      5. smart ass 1 February 2020 11: 37 New
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        When buying a 6-year-old Passat, it’s very likely that you’ll be able to get a large headstock for repair if the engine is ti si ai and the DSG box
        1. lis-ik 1 February 2020 13: 47 New
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          Quote: Clever man
          When buying a 6-year-old Passat, it’s very likely that you’ll be able to get a large headstock for repair if the engine is ti si ai and the DSG box

          And what is the problem with these units? My wife Golf-7tam and TSI and DSG, the car in 2013, mileage 110000km, all without problems. The main thing is timely service and the concept that the DSG is not an automatic machine at all, the same mechanics with a double-disk automatic clutch, respectively, do not keep it stupidly at a long traffic light in drive mode, put it in neutral, etc., remember that the engine is turbocharged, but it’s never “racing”, of small volume and low turbine productivity, respectively, and be careful and not demand the impossible. By the way, on Golf with this run, there are still factory pads.
        2. seti 1 February 2020 13: 59 New
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          If you do not trust your knowledge, select a competent auto-sorter. I can recommend if you are in Yekaterinburg.
      6. New Year day 1 February 2020 11: 56 New
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        Quote: seti
        But the main result - everything was gone Putin scoundrel

        Take the trouble to tell how many cars were bought on credit and how much the population is borrowed. hi
        With regards to premium cars, you have rich neighbors, since the share of such cars is small and all in large cities. And what car and what year does the country travel around the country?
        1. _Sergei_ 1 February 2020 12: 37 New
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          I took a regular loan of 200 thousand for a tag (it cost 320 at that time), I gave it in two years, and the children managed without loans. It's just that my wife and I do not know how to save money. And so he took a loan and quickly gave it away.
        2. seti 1 February 2020 14: 01 New
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          Do not take a car on credit. I’ve never entered into loans in my life. Never once. I better save up and go buy my own money than to humiliate myself and then give back with a markup.
          1. New Year day 1 February 2020 15: 51 New
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            Quote: seti
            I’ve never entered into loans in my life.

            I climbed once and therefore ...
            Quote: seti
            Do not take a car on credit.
      7. Mazuta 1 February 2020 19: 24 New
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        for seti (Matvey Livanov)
        And still, all the "commissions" are littered with cell phones ...
        And at home, each of my friends 3-4 is still lying around, if not thrown into a landfill along with a b / w ...
        The entire Soviet automobile industry continues to drive ...
        An example of your neighbor that proves ?!
        It’s acceptable for him to give 6 rubles for a 650-year-old, to give him the flag!
        For you, the presence of a car is a status indicator ?!
        It has long been arson .. and no more ...
    2. Mar.Tirah 1 February 2020 09: 09 New
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      Quote: polar fox
      but all have plenty of cars))) like mine: 30 years old, 17 years old and a new one-10 years old)))

      So they want to make sure that you do not have them.
      1. polar fox 1 February 2020 11: 21 New
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        Quote: Mar. Tira
        So they want to make sure that you do not have them.

        I also have it. For those who wish)))
        1. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 12: 06 New
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          Yeah! Ruggio! They will introduce a tax for each year of the car’s life, and it won’t help! They will be so modestly raised by 10% for each year. And imagine if the age limit is set to 3-5 years!
          1. lis-ik 1 February 2020 13: 55 New
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            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            Yeah! Ruggio! They will introduce a tax for each year of the car’s life, and it won’t help! They will be so modestly raised by 10% for each year. And imagine if the age limit is set to 3-5 years!

            Ecological class signs have already appeared in Moscow, without a clue how people on the Zhiguli will be further from the third ring to get home. By the way, Korean diesel engines (Porter) also hit.
            1. Revival 1 February 2020 15: 06 New
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              So Sobchak voiced this idea for a long time: "they ride their buckets and interfere with normal People"!
              Here ...
    3. tihonmarine 1 February 2020 11: 42 New
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      Quote: polar fox
      but all have plenty of cars))) like mine: 30 years old, 17 years old and a new one-10 years old

      And in the early 90s, as I sold the Volga 21 and Talbot Horizon, I didn’t buy anything else. (by the way, the cars were of high quality). Good ! the head no longer hurts.
  3. Uran53 1 February 2020 08: 46 New
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    "Horse" car prices + a steady decrease in income + a steady increase in gas prices + levies = "development and competitiveness" of domestic industry from the relevant ministry and the government as a whole. What's so surprising?
  4. Oleg Skvortsov 1 February 2020 09: 10 New
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    Additional recycling fee? All for the sake of increasing the happiness index of Russians ..
    And nothing else.
    1. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 12: 13 New
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      Well, on bicycles 10% in January have already been introduced. I think the recycling fee for electronics, furniture, building materials (buying new ones, you’ll throw away the old ones), for packaging (the same bags, cans, bottles, boxes), Be sure to recycle clothes and shoes, to recycle paving and! Burial tax! Just 2% per month! Well, as in many developed countries! But we want integration into the global economy!
      1. Revival 1 February 2020 15: 07 New
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        Air!
        Air tax required!
        Please treat with understanding
        1. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 21: 13 New
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          Air!
          Air tax required!
          Please treat with understanding
          It can be done easily! They will explain that this is done for the environment. It is necessary to extinguish fires and eliminate floods. Rainfall tax can also be introduced. In the sense that rain and meltwater wash away the dirt and carry it to the rivers. In Germany, it seems there is a tax on rain. You can also introduce mandatory home insurance (so as not to gut the budget for the victims). Probably not in vain the tax officer was put in charge of the prime minister!
          1. Freeman 2 February 2020 00: 54 New
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            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            Air!
            Air tax required!
            Please treat with understanding
            It can be done easily! They will explain that this is done for the environment. It is necessary to extinguish fires and eliminate floods. Rainfall tax can also be introduced. In the sense that rain and meltwater wash away the dirt and carry it to the rivers. Germany seems to have a tax on rain. You can also introduce mandatory home insurance (so as not to gut the budget for the victims). Probably not in vain the tax officer was put in charge of the prime minister!


            Already!
            Precipitation tax has been introduced for residents of the Jewish Autonomous Region since 2017.

            In St. Petersburg, it has been paid for more than a decade:
            legal entities - since 2000;
            population - since 2012.

            In 2011, President Dmitry Medvedev signed federal law No. 416 on Water Supply and Sanitation. The concept of wastewater included:

            rain;
            thawed;
            watering
            and drainage water.

            Owners of buildings (residential or commercial) or land should pay for their disposal and cleaning.

            Since 2000, St. Petersburg Vodokanal has been charging companies to discharge surface effluents into the sewers, which, according to ecologists, negatively affect the environment and pollute the Neva and its bays. For several years, the population of St. Petersburg did not pay a tax on precipitation, but then standards were introduced and Petersburgers saw an additional figure in the receipt.

            Calculation of fees for melt, rain and drainage effluents is calculated in St. Petersburg, taking into account:

            area of ​​the house territory;
            roof area of ​​a building or building;
            type of coating - pavers, tiles, asphalt, lawn grass.

            In addition, the population had to chip in once for the installation of wastewater metering devices, while experts argued that with the high cost of meters, no one gives a guarantee that they will help to save.
  5. Zaurbek 1 February 2020 09: 17 New
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    Cars stopped changing every three years ... in 14-15, the dollar went up and car prices soared. And income has since declined. Free money went to food and taxes and natural monopolists. The same gasoline rose in five years, fines, cameras appeared in large numbers. Roads are paid. And this is all the burden on the car owner.
    1. Astoria 1 February 2020 10: 46 New
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      Not only this - psychology itself is changing in large cities. If before - owning a car was considered a necessary attribute, then with the increase in the number of taxis, the availability of public transport and car sharing, the need for owning a car decreases, and will fall in the future. It's unavoidable.
      1. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 12: 25 New
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        People are driven into megacities. The population density is growing. Roads and parking are not designed for so many cars. It is logical in megacities to limit the ownership of a personal car. An alternative to it is offering an electric bike or a scooter. But this is if the bike is alone. And if hundreds? Yes, even one scooter, where to get around? So there should be roads for cars, for scooters, for pedestrians. In Europe, some cities seem to already prohibit car traffic. So it is quite possible that in cities with population over one million or more, restrictions on the possession and movement of personal vehicles will be introduced.
        1. sergo1914 1 February 2020 17: 23 New
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          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          An alternative to it is offering an electric bike or a scooter. But this is if the bike is alone. And if hundreds?


          Presented the morning Moscow Ring Road, clogged with scooters ... Hair on end ...
      2. lis-ik 1 February 2020 14: 00 New
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        then with the increase in the number of taxis, the availability of public transport and car sharing, the need for ownership

        With the overwhelming seizure of the market by large network aggregators, the quality of taxis in large cities is rapidly declining, for example, in Moscow, mainly migrant workers who work 18 hours a day, recently one died in Domodedovo, after XNUMX cans of energy, he wanted to at least earn something on beggarly rates.
        1. Astoria 1 February 2020 14: 41 New
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          quality falls and price falls too
          At the same time, drivers are one of the most (along with builders) highly paid mass specialties in Russia. As follows from a study by the analytical company TalentTech from May 2019 (data provided by RBC), the average salary of taxi drivers in Russia is 36 rubles a month, and in Moscow - 300 rubles. This is the highest rate among all workers in mass specialties. Even higher are the joint calculations of the Zarplata.ru portal and the Public Council for the Development of Taxis. According to their market research for 46-300 (Forbes has it at their disposal), the average salary of a taxi driver in Moscow in 2017 was 2019 2018 rubles, in St. Petersburg - 52 019, in Ryazan - 47 493. In 40, in Moscow the indicator fell to 458 2019 rubles, while in St. Petersburg and Ryazan it rose to 48 735 and 49 159 rubles, respectively.
          1. lis-ik 1 February 2020 14: 48 New
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            I doubt that so much will come out clean under normal working conditions.
            1. Astoria 1 February 2020 14: 54 New
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              and no one argues about this
            2. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 21: 24 New
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              It looks like the average salary in the country is 45 thousand. Yes, ito. 48 thousand for Moscow somehow does not pull on a high salary. And 46 for Ryazan is probably overpriced. Yes, and for vacancies, there will not be so many job advertisements in taxis with good incomes. In which organizations, staff shortages with good pay?
  6. Thrifty 1 February 2020 09: 17 New
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    With such salaries, and with their perpetual delay, I was surprised that people could save up, or take on creed, and buy a car! In our yard there were 48 cars, now there are 29 of them, the rest of the owners took them out for sale to salons selling used cars. Another 7 people changed their cars to cheaper cars. So, and such sales of cars in the salons are high, everything could be much worse.
    1. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 12: 44 New
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      I watch from the New Year many cars rushed into a taxi. Apparently the loan crushes not childishly! They earn! Yes figs to you! Taxi drivers and GAZelists are already howling, no customers! GAZelists and so after 18 hours already dumped home, and now generally happiness. After 19 hours, people on the streets disappear somewhere. As for the change of car to cheaper I agree. I myself was surprised that foreign cars were changed to basins. About the dominance of cars near houses. I also observed for the sake of interest. It was that near the 9th floor stood 1 dozen. Well, if in Moscow there is a house of 25 floors, it certainly seems like a lot. And to count on apartments? I get about 15 cars per panel five-story building with 3-4 apartments per floor, at least 4 entrances. It turns out not a lot. Given that mostly basins to Priory. The most popular cars are classic, nines, dozens. Although there are elite high-rise buildings. But even there are basins!
  7. thinker 1 February 2020 09: 35 New
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    Russian car market fell 2,3%
    There is such a fact, but the question is how to present it. He wrote more than once, everything is known in comparison.
    Sales in the global car market in 2019 decreased by 4%.... Most of the cars sold in China, where car dealerships of world brands were able to sell about 25,5 million vehicles. But this figure is lower than the result of 2018 by 8,3%.

    https://car.ru/news/automobili/64329-prodazhi-na-mirovom-avtoryinke-v-2019-godu-snizilis-na-4/
  8. GenNick 1 February 2020 10: 20 New
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    That's it - all yards / parking lots are clogged with new cars. And often premium. Most friends in families have two cars. You can’t see the Soviet automobile industry. But the main result - everything was gone Putin, the villain, the government does not sleep, thinks how to dunk us with his head in shit ..
    The market is saturated - it’s not necessarily possible to buy a new one and a 5-6 year old with a range of 100-120 thousand for quite reasonable money. Last month, a neighbor bought a 6 year old Passat with a mileage of 88 thousand for 650 rubles. The car is ideal.

    Too shy to ask, what country do you live in ?, a neighbor collector? I have models, how do you write the Soviet automobile industry ....
    1. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 12: 47 New
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      I have a similar question for such comrades. Do they live in Russia? Only today I saw Moskvich 408. Who remembers him? In appearance, the state is even very nothing!
      1. seti 1 February 2020 14: 13 New
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        You apparently have not seen how in other countries exist. Believe in the Russian Federation Live in people and very good by world standards. I go fishing in the warm season if possible. So, I note - well, almost no people have engines weaker than 9.8, mainly from 9.8-9.9 forces and PVC, usually 3.5-3.85. All this money costs and not small. And how many pans appeared like Volzhanka and others .. You already have 15 forces on them. You need 40 or even 60 here. People have money. There are people who earn. Moreover, the most ordinary citizens are far from Moscow and St. Petersburg. And in the EU, have you seen such a movement on the water somewhere along the Rhine or the Seine? The brother says that so many boats with motors were seen only in Finland. But this is a country of lakes and there does not have a boat and motor as we do not have a car when it is really needed.
        Learn to save and not live in the present and do not complain about the government - rely only on yourself. We have people used to that someone owes them. Maybe they should, but until we wait for 10 times to rot in the cemetery. Work and don’t complain and God will help you.
        1. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 21: 07 New
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          If we take the Union, then in the late 60s and early 70s, we had boats and boat stations as today. Then the boats began to decline and began to drive in cars. And so there were still homemade wooden ones, and not just store Progress and Kazanka. Today, so many boats and boat stations are no longer there and their number is not growing. There is no such busy traffic as in those years.
          1. ycuce234-san 6 February 2020 20: 14 New
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            Today, so many boats and boat stations are no longer there and their number is not growing.

            Most likely the places where you can and it is advisable to sail a boat decreased.
    2. seti 1 February 2020 14: 05 New
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      A neighbor by the way is a former military man and now a pensioner. Sold my Ford bought this Passat. He has one car - your humor is not appropriate. If he found money on a car, is he a crook and must have stolen it?
      1. Revival 1 February 2020 15: 13 New
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        No, it’s just 1 and 1000 that you didn’t find or buy, and in general your example with a 6 year old car for emission is very much like that, you present it directly as a maybach with armor
  9. 75 Sergey 1 February 2020 15: 52 New
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    And let them still have cars .... they let them out, so no one will be their brother at all.
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    Interesting information.
  11. Protos 2 February 2020 01: 05 New
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    I was always wondering how the “deuces”, “shahs”, “fives”, “nines” and other auto-killers go? am
  12. And why do you need 2 February 2020 07: 02 New
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    Here I have an old Toyota 1992. In Russia since 2008, "third hands". Maintenance of a penny, comfort 5 +. Why a bucket from AvtoVAZ? In the Far East, basins, any new vases are not quoted. From the beginning, it would be worthwhile to increase the quality, comfort of the buckets. To raise sales, you should start with a loan at 2-3% without down payment. Then there will be sense, and so .... Better there is nothing better than an old Japanese car.
    1. 2 Level Advisor 2 February 2020 09: 42 New
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      Vladimir, there has long been no “vaziks” plant in Tolyati - Renault-Nissan companies, by the way, and the quality has risen very much .. Not Toyota, but Nissan .. So the basins, in principle, are Japanese now .. I have a Korean woman, so that they would not be blamed for bias) A brand new Japanese car is not better?
    2. Ponchik78 2 February 2020 09: 52 New
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      A guy at a construction site worked with me. He also has a Toyota mid-90s release. Just like you, "comfort 5+, maintenance of a penny." And then he somehow drove me home from work))) And as it were, the "old" Japanese were not praised, but the car which is 20-30 years old is an old hopeless trash !!! And it doesn’t matter Mercedes, Toyota or Lada.
  13. Oquzyurd 2 February 2020 15: 21 New
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    The world is rapidly moving to electric cars. I wonder what models the VAZ will hold on the market.
  14. honest people 2 February 2020 17: 08 New
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    The past quarter of the year ended with Tesla's record revenue of $ 7,384 billion, an increase in annual terms of 17%, and in quarterly terms - by 2%. The total gross margin in quarterly terms increased by 72 basis points - from 4,1% to 4,9% (but the annual decline was 87 basis points); GAAP operating profit was $ 359 million, which corresponds to a 38% increase in quarterly terms and a 13% decline in annual terms. Operating expenses rose slightly - from $ 1,029 billion to $ 1,032 billion. Of these, $ 345 million was spent on R&D, compared to $ 356 million a year earlier.
    Prospects
    Production (Fremont): Model S / Model X - 90, Model 000 / Model Y - 3 machines per year
    Production (Shanghai): Model 3 - 150 cars per year
    - Throughout 2020, car deliveries must exceed 500 units. Due to the production of Model 000 in Shanghai and Model Y in Fremont, production is likely to outstrip deliveries this year.
    - Solar and energy storage systems should increase by at least 50% in 2020.
    - We plan that the production volume of Model Y will be equivalent to Model 3.
    - We expect continued positive free cash flow in the quarters of 2020 with possible temporary exceptions, especially
    due to the launch of a new product line. We continue to believe that our business has grown to the level of self-financing.
    - We expect that in the future a positive GAAP net income will be received, with the exception of possible temporary quarters due to the launch of new products of the company.
    - We plan to produce limited volumes of Tesla Semi this year.
    - We will begin the first deliveries of Model Y by the end of the first quarter of 2020.
    - Production of Model Y in Shanghai will begin in 2021.
    - The first deliveries of cars with GigaFactory 4 in Germany are planned in 2021.
    - FSD (Full Self Driving) - full autonomous driving function
  15. Puhly67 2 February 2020 20: 31 New
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    On his Lada Granta Lux put a particle accelerator. when moving in space, strongly presses into a chair. aching lower back / or old age. or need to .. cough .. over a new sidushka ..
  16. KrolikZanuda 2 February 2020 21: 38 New
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    Here I have a million and the need to change the car in the summer. And for a million there’s nothing to buy either. Either the new Lada in the top, or the empty Kia or Skoda. On the other hand, in the used market it can already be at least a pickup from Toyota, at least a crossover from Nissan.

    Py.Sy. The family had six cars for four people, from VAZ to Toyota, they were bought both new and used. Officially, the city has 700 thousand people, and 270 thousand cars.
  17. Petrol cutter 5 February 2020 20: 50 New
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    I decided to postpone the car apparently until the end of my mortal and useless life.