Poland signed a contract for the supply of 32 F-35A fighters


Poland has finally signed an agreement with the United States to purchase 32 fifth-generation F-35 fighter-bombers. The signing ceremony took place at the air base in the area of ​​Deblin. It is reported by the Ministry of National Defense of Poland.


According to the report, the signing of the agreement was attended by Polish President Andrzej Duda, Prime Minister Mateusz Moravecki and Minister of National Defense Mariusz Blaszczak.

The contract value amounted to $ 4,6 billion, in addition to supplying the aircraft themselves, each of which cost Poland $ 87 million, it includes training for Polish pilots, the supply of flight simulators, as well as logistics support. Pilot training will begin in 2024, it will take place in the United States, Poland will receive the first F-35s in 2026.

As previously reported, in September last year, the US Congress approved the sale to Poland of 32 F-35A fighters. The preliminary cost of the order was $ 6,5 billion, but Warsaw apparently managed to lower the cost of the contract during the negotiations.

According to the statement of the Polish Minister of Defense, the acquisition of fifth-generation F-35 aircraft will enhance the combat capabilities of F-16 aircraft and completely get rid of "worn-out Soviet aircraft without combat value." We are talking about the MiG-29 and Su-22 standing in service with the Polish Air Force.

To date, the Polish Air Force has 27 MiG-29s, as well as 48 F-16s and 18 Su-22s.
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  1. purple 31 January 2020 17: 41 New
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    At whose expense is the banquet?
    1. Livonetc 31 January 2020 17: 44 New
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      Poland seems to have started an adventure.
    2. Aaron Zawi 31 January 2020 17: 46 New
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      Quote: purple
      At whose expense is the banquet?

      Poland is not a poor state.

      Poland ranks 21st in the world in terms of nominal GDP: ▲ $ 593,295 billion.
      GDP growth: 4,8% (2017), 5% (2018), 3,7% (2019). GDP per capita: ▲ $ 33 (PPP).




      1. The popuas 31 January 2020 17: 48 New
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        Aron why? Why are you upsetting the local public with such numbers? repeat
        1. Keyser soze 31 January 2020 19: 35 New
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          Why are you upsetting the local audience ...


          Yes, and you can continue - from June in Poland, the minimum wage becomes 980 euros. They also have money for workers, which is more important than buying or not flying flying ....
          1. cat Rusich 31 January 2020 22: 00 New
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            In Poland there is a "capitalistic paradise" - why do Polish workers go to work in Germany? Why do the Poles hire Ukrainian residents in Poland? What about the shipyards in Gdansk?
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          3. Zoldat_A 1 February 2020 00: 07 New
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            Quote: Keyser Soze
            from June in Poland the minimum wage becomes 980 euros

            Specially took the prices for the Polish "Auchan" - Yes, in the coffin I saw such a "paradise" with such a "minimal"!
            At us at a construction site men receive such money and at OUR month prices live quietly.
            Average prices for 2019 in the Polish Bedronka and in the Polish Auchan. Compare - we all go to the shops ...

            Who does not believe me - I hope the account in the search engine is not blocked ...

            60 euros a kilogram of salmon, 2 euros a liter of milk, 7-8 euros a dozen eggs ... I have not been to Moscow for a long time, but these prices shock us on the Volga.

            Who wants to go to this "paradise" - a reception is open - sign up at the Polish embassy ...
            1. Mordvin 3 1 February 2020 01: 14 New
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              Quote: Zoldat_A
              60 euros a kilogram of salmon, 2 euros a liter of milk, 7-8 euros a dozen eggs ...

              What makes you think that prices are in euros, not zloty? 2 zł - 33 rubles a liter of milk in Poland costs.
              1. Zoldat_A 1 February 2020 05: 40 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                60 euros a kilogram of salmon, 2 euros a liter of milk, 7-8 euros a dozen eggs ...

                What makes you think that prices are in euros, not zloty? 2 zł - 33 rubles a liter of milk in Poland costs.

                What are the zloty in 2019? What dimension do you live in?

                You still remember the franchises with francs ... Brexit-Creeps in your head?
                1. Mordvin 3 1 February 2020 05: 47 New
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                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  What are the zloty in 2019? What dimension do you live in?

                  Yes, it seems like in 2020 from the Nativity of Christ.
                2. Mordvin 3 1 February 2020 06: 05 New
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                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  You still remember the franchises with francs ... Brexit-Creeps in your head?

                  Poland did not introduce the euro. repeat And she didn’t refuse zloty.
                  1. Zoldat_A 1 February 2020 15: 50 New
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                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: Zoldat_A
                    You still remember the franchises with francs ... Brexit-Creeps in your head?

                    Poland did not introduce the euro. repeat And she didn’t refuse zloty.

                    From all the migrant workers washing toilets in Poland, and I have metalworkers working as installers, I heard that ALL payments are made in euros and remember zloty as a relic of the "Soviet occupation".

                    For reference - I have 19 such people working. Statistics, however ...

                    Could for the sake of your EGO and NATIONALISM dismiss them or transfer the salary not to rubles, but to zloty, but I won’t - the guys are good, the installers are no worse than ours, although not better - they don’t know how to work drunk.
                    1. Mordvin 3 1 February 2020 17: 14 New
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                      Quote: Zoldat_A
                      Could for the sake of your EGO and NATIONALISM dismiss them or transfer the salary not to rubles, but to zloty

                      It’s better to pay African rands to them, let them run, as I ran about three years ago, I could not exchange hryvnias for rubles.
                      1. Zoldat_A 1 February 2020 17: 21 New
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: Zoldat_A
                        Could for the sake of your EGO and NATIONALISM dismiss them or transfer the salary not to rubles, but to zloty

                        It’s better to pay African rands to them, let them run, as I ran about three years ago, I could not exchange hryvnias for rubles.

                        Yes, they do not complain about rubles. One thing is bad for them - I’m crying in rubles, and it’s more profitable for them to send dollars to the “independent” budget. On the course of losing.
              2. Victor Lutvin 1 February 2020 06: 10 New
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                All right all the prices in Poland in zloty.
            2. God save the king 1 February 2020 01: 44 New
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              This is in zloty. Multiply by 17 and you will see that the prices are quite Russian.
              Who wants to go to this "paradise" - a reception is open - sign up at the Polish embassy ...
              Now, even from St. Petersburg to Poland, guest workers are being recruited ... and there are no volunteers, all quotas have been selected.
              At us at a construction site men receive such money
              you do not compare sticking at a construction site and a minimum ... in Poland there are also construction sites, and what salaries there you can easily see on job search sites (far from 980)
              1. Zoldat_A 1 February 2020 05: 45 New
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                Quote: God save the King
                This is in zloty. Multiply by 17 and you will see that the prices are quite Russian.

                Yeah. The minimum wage is in euros, and the prices for 2019 are in zloty. Is your search engine banned?
                Quote: God save the King
                in Poland there are also construction projects, and what salaries there you can easily peek at job search sites

                So in Moscow, a furniture collector earns as a good welder in Saratov. So the life of other money costs - all my life I went to work. For two months in Moscow (Poland, Surgut) he eats instant noodles, rests at home like a king for a month.
                1. Zoldat_A 1 February 2020 19: 36 New
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                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  For two months in Moscow (Poland, Surgut) he eats instant noodles, rests at home like a king for a month.

                  I see as many as six dissenting ("sleepers"). If only one would say what I was wrong about?

                  At home, in Saratov, Pskov, Orenburg or Ulyanovsk, a family. Waiting for dad from earnings. Dad plows for two months at a construction assistant (security guard in a supermarket, furniture collector, etc.), eats Doshirak, fucks strange women for 150 grams of vodka, washes once a week under a hose at a construction site, sleeps on a bare mattress and other amenities guest workers - at least Russian, at least foreign. But for a month he comes home with a thousand “Baku people”, drinks for a week, “rests”, then buys gifts for his wife and children - in the end, by the end of the “rest”, no figs remain, and here is the shift. And dad again for two months drove off to the "earnings".

                  Whoever has not seen such a picture - I readily catch disagreement from everyone in the form of "minuses."
                  Will only conscience allow?
            3. The popuas 1 February 2020 07: 01 New
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              So this is minimal! Take our cost of living and compare prices in our Auchan fool
            4. Muxalet 1 February 2020 13: 21 New
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              Prices are in Moscow, and salaries are 2 times higher ...
              1. Zoldat_A 1 February 2020 19: 40 New
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                Quote: Muxalet
                Prices are in Moscow, and salaries are 2 times higher ...

                A kilogram of onion 2 euros? With mine, on the Middle Volga, 15 rubles a season and 30 rubles in the winter?

                I won’t go to Moscow for food, all the more so to Poland.
          4. Brturin 1 February 2020 00: 19 New
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            Quote: Keyser Soze
            They have money for workers, which is more important than buying or not flying cars

            there is such an opinion
            Marek Belka, a former Polish finance minister, calls this a «irresponsibility festival’, the goal of which is to identify citizens with the PiS mandate: “Instead of investing in infrastructure or improving services, the ruling party prefers to stupidly pay certain groups the population counting on reciprocal courtesy in the form of support, - the ex-official notes. - Thus, subsidies from the EU are simply being consumed. Once upon a time, this soap bubble of ostentatious welfare should burst ”https://eadaily.com/en/news/2019/10/15/polsha-v-lovushke-ekonomicheskogo-chuda-ili-banket-za-schet-es

            And if everything is so good, then why such a struggle for EU subsidies - “The reductions proposed by the European Commission in the seven-year budget of the EU, especially affect the countries of Central Europe. In addition, there are additional reductions based on an arbitrary and politically motivated assessment of the so-called rule of law . In the case of Poland, the reduction is 23%. This is a reason for the veto, and the budget requires unanimity "- Polish MP Jacek Sariusz Wolski from Poland. It’s time to become a donor of the budget ourselves ...
      2. n0001 31 January 2020 17: 48 New
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        2019- 4% [media = https: //www.forbes.pl/gospodarka/wzrost-pkb-w-2019-roku-dane-gus-gwaltowne-spowolnienie-w-iv-kwartale/msk93fy]
      3. Sidor Amenpodestovich 31 January 2020 17: 52 New
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        Not poor, great! But you did not answer the question.
        "Highly Likely Poles themselves." So? Or do you have verified information?
      4. NEXUS 31 January 2020 17: 53 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Poland is not a poor state.

        The question is, with whom is she going to fight? If with us, then 300 F-35s will not help her. That is, the conversation goes from the contingent, which is Poland. As a separate state, in terms of military power, Poland is about nothing. Maybe it's time for us to introduce economic sanctions against Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine, for starters? And then the game is something in one gate already fed up.
        1. eklmn 31 January 2020 18: 20 New
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          “The question is, who was she going to fight with?”
          Yes with no one! Switzerland, a neutral country, and even wants a super-duper aircraft!
          From Wiki: “In November 2011, the Swiss government announced its decision to buy 22 new generation Gripen fighters. A contract for 22 aircraft was signed for 3,1 billion Swiss francs. On August 25, 2012, this order was confirmed by both the Swedish and Swiss authorities. ”
          And with whom is Switzerland going to fight with its neutrality?
          The general trend is to have a modern army. If there are grandmas, then why not? And note - neither in Poland nor in Switzerland do the presidents discuss low pensions or impoverishment of the population (a hint is clear?).
          You can, of course, be proud of the number of military aircraft per capita, but at what cost? And I assure you that this indicator, itself / person, will improve for Russia, because the population is dying ....
          1. NEXUS 31 January 2020 19: 05 New
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            Quote: eklmn
            Yes with no one!

            Now in most countries of the world, sick people are in power with megalomania and the desire not to coexist peacefully with their neighbors, but to fight and put a couple of million of their citizens in the grave. Russia as a scarecrow for these patients, in order to justify their actions in front of the electorate, which has long understood that for these citizens a psychiatric hospital has been crying with orderlies for a long time. What is Ukraine, what is the Baltic states, what is Georgia with Poland and Bulgaria ... and at the head of this idiocy is England and the USA. Moreover, if you look, such idiocy and hysteria are caught up all over the world by a total of 100 people in power in these countries. That is, XNUMX thousand psychopaths nightmares the whole world and determines life on the planet.
            1. Staroshil 31 January 2020 19: 11 New
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              Quote: NEXUS
              Now in most countries of the world, sick people are in power with megalomania and the desire not to coexist peacefully with their neighbors, but to fight and put a couple of million of their citizens in the grave. Russia as a scarecrow for these patients

              It’s not bad said Andrei .. Everyone understands this, but they can’t counteract anything (the same Ukraine is in front of Bandera) ..

              Quote: NEXUS
              Moreover, if you look, such idiocy and hysteria are caught up all over the world by a total of 100 people in power in these countries. That is, XNUMX thousand psychopaths nightmares the whole world and determines life on the planet.

              And there Aron reacted))) And this is no accident .. hi
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              They don’t plan to fight, but they really want to play a more significant role in NATO and in Europe, especially Eastern. And this, in addition to economics, relies on strong forces.

              Here's what to do with them ..? wink
          2. orionvitt 31 January 2020 20: 12 New
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            Quote: eklmn
            “The question is, who was she going to fight with?”
            Yes with no one! Switzerland, a neutral country, and even wants a super-duper aircraft!

            Unlike Switzerland, nobody will ask Poland. In vain or something, it is constantly pumped up with money at the expense of the European Union. For the beautiful eyes? They simply grow up a “vigorous bull-calf”, which, in which case, is not a pity to “stab”.
        2. Aaron Zawi 31 January 2020 18: 28 New
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          Quote: NEXUS

          The question is, with whom is she going to fight? If with us, then 300 F-35s will not help her. That is, the conversation goes from the contingent, which is Poland. As a separate state, in terms of military power, Poland is about nothing. Maybe it's time for us to introduce economic sanctions against Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine, for starters? And then the game is something in one gate already fed up.

          They don’t plan to fight, but they really want to play a more significant role in NATO and in Europe, especially Eastern. And this, in addition to economics, relies on strong forces.
        3. Andrzej k 31 January 2020 19: 25 New
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          It is not a matter of whom Poland wants to fight, because in a real conflict it will lose a lot.

          The fact is who will make money on this - Big Brother ordered and immediately bought new expensive toys.

          Yes, airplanes of the Soviet era without factory service actually do not really represent much value and have been quite dangerous lately, but for defense (or potential defense) other F-16s or even Gripen will be enough - airplanes not to break through, but exclusively for defense.

          Aggressive Polish politics is dragging my homeland into dangerous waters, and the US government’s ministry goes beyond all borders.

          But in the parades and in front of your electorate there will again be muscular tension, since we are again “Silni, Zwarci i Gotowi”.

          Repeating past mistakes is a tragedy. The F-35 is a replay of the 220 mm Skoda IIRP mortar. Expensive, expensive to use and useful only in parades
        4. The leader of the Redskins 31 January 2020 19: 26 New
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          Well, here you are, dear, wrong. By your logic, most European states do not need an army at all ... But whose army then will have to be fed?
          And you must admit - qualitatively their Air Force will become an order of magnitude higher ....
          1. NEXUS 31 January 2020 19: 36 New
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            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Well, here you are, dear, wrong. By your logic, most European states do not need an army at all ... But whose army then will have to be fed?
            And you must admit - qualitatively their Air Force will become an order of magnitude higher ....

            That’s the problem with the brains of politicians that they don’t live without taking something from a neighbor. Capitalism, edron loaf, with a very large claim to slavery. I say, these main people don’t want to live in peace and build, but they need war, death, money and human grief.
            The very model of states, like fragments on the world map, has outlived itself a long time ago ... only hundreds of thousands of other politicians in the power of countries, this state of affairs does not suit, because it is not beneficial for the owners. And in the word master, I did not mean at all the peoples who elected them.
            Moreover, almost 7 lard people, like a herd of sheep live according to the law established by this handful of psychopaths. And to be honest, from a medical point of view, I would not be surprised that the definition of "schizophrenia" or "severe mental disorder" for many of these politicians is still a real diagnosis.
        5. opus 31 January 2020 19: 48 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          The question is, with whom is she going to fight? If with us, then 300 F-35s will not help her.

          Poland is in NATO, it is not going to fight alone.
          NATO has 933,283 million residents
          NATO has approximately 2,5 thousand aircraft, up to 1,5 thousand helicopters and 600 drones, and about 2 thousand cruise missiles are ready to launch
          Quote: NEXUS
          Maybe it's time for us to introduce economic sanctions against Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine, for starters?

          against the Baltic states, Ukraine-I don’t know. more difficult with Poland
          In 2018, trade between Russia and Poland amounted to $ 21, an increase of 681% ($ 423) compared to 159.
          Russia's exports to Poland in 2018 amounted to $ 16 540 213 176, an increase of 42,86% ($ 4) compared to 962.
          Russia's imports from Poland in 2018 amounted to $ 5, an increase of 141% ($ 209) compared to 983.
          Machinery, equipment and vehicles (HS codes 84-90) - 43,86% of Russia's total imports from Poland (2017% in 41,43);
          Chemical industry products (HS codes 28-40) - 22,85% of Russia's total imports from Poland (2017% in 23,85);
          Groceries and agricultural raw materials (HS codes 01-24) - 8,83% of Russia's total imports from Poland (2017% in 8,66);
          etc.

          Poland sanctions for what kind of purchase of Poland F-35?
          Not serious
          1. NEXUS 31 January 2020 19: 58 New
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            Poland is in NATO, it is not going to fight alone.
            NATO has 933,283 million residents

            Of these, only 20-30 thousand senior politicians want to share, rule, hysteria and cut budgets. The rest, almost a billion citizens, do not need this for nothing, and they want to live in peace. But ... so we were trained that the neighbor is sure to be going and will take yours if you do not protect it. Rulers have repeated this mantra for more than a thousand years. And why? Because these same rulers are mentally ill people with manners of a robber on a high road. And now the question is, who do we choose? A psychiatric hospital cries for them, and we sit them in the government and live according to the laws that these psychopaths write to us.
            1. opus 31 January 2020 20: 26 New
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              Quote: NEXUS
              Of these, only 20-30 thousand senior politicians want

              Well, yes, I agree.
              I'm just talking about potential.
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              Quote: NEXUS
              Because these same rulers are mentally ill people with manners of the robber on the high road.

              Stop thinking by the criteria of a little girl on a chamomile field.
              These rulers are the smartest people, who work entire institutes of analysts, forced to think globally for 50-100 years in advance. The price-survival of their own state (ideally world domination).
              Russia for them is just a huge resource and they will never calm down until they tear it to pieces, because this is a condition of survival.
              Any war in history, no matter how high ideals are covered, is just a war for resources.
              And yes, nothing has changed since the caveman, the strongest survives.
        6. xGibSoNx 31 January 2020 19: 52 New
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          The question is, with whom was she going to fight?
          Um .. Stupid question by definition! Who, at any given time, is going to fight with someone? Any war, in one form or another, will end with the fact that the United States, China and the Russian Federation decide among themselves! Anyone who wants to at least somehow fight will only be able to do this after the aforementioned troika has approved this war. In any other case, the availability of aviation does not matter at all in general terms.
          1. opus 31 January 2020 22: 39 New
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            Any war, in one form or another, will end in

            Well, you are wrong:
            1.USA-Grenada: SSR, China, no one asked
            2. England - Argentina (Falklands) - no one asked
            3.Livia-USA- no one asked
            4. Israel, all wars = he was crap at all
            5. Yugoslavia - no one asked
            6. Iraq, Afghanistan.
            7. Georgia-Russia - no one asked
            8.Ukraine-Russia (Crimea) - no one asked
            9. I’m generally drumming, I won’t ask anyone

            Quote: xGibSoNx
            the presence of aviation does not matter at all in general terms.

            belay
        7. Zoldat_A 1 February 2020 00: 19 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          The question is, with whom is she going to fight? If with us, then she and 300 F-35s will not help.

          Who cares how many F-35 - 30 or 3000 burn in a radioactive desert? The GDP clearly said about the "decision centers" and about the "law enforcement" - well, how close should it be to expose your country and your people to a Russian retaliatory strike. And at the same time do not understand that the "best friends" use them only as the bridgehead and "cannon fodder" ....
        8. ROSS_51 6 February 2020 19: 56 New
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          Well, then economic sanctions against the European Union (Poland there, if that) have long been introduced.
      5. Sky strike fighter 31 January 2020 17: 54 New
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        Aron, not all Poles will agree with you, although of course it is probably more visible from Israel than from Poland. The numbers can be manipulated if desired. Comments of the Poles regarding the purchase of the F-35.
        Reader Comments

        Tymek: I have never heard such nonsense in my 68 years. Are we threatened by Slovakia? These planes can only make Putin laugh to tears. We do not have money for the healthcare system, and the government buys planes for billions.

        Kuba: Who are we going to hold back? Ukrainians, Czechs, Russians, or maybe Germans? We ruined the relationship with everyone.

        defiladowy F35: According to Wikipedia, Russia has 750 fighters, as well as 93 Su-34 fighter bomber.

        Emeryt: Minister of Defense Blaschak behaves like a small child, dreaming of power. Who will scare our F-35s? This is ridiculous, we are not able to confront any enemy. Our army exists only on paper, it will not be able to restrain the aggressor for more than 24 hours.


        Igo: If we really need to buy something from the Americans, why can't we get technology for building nuclear power plants? At least they will bring us some benefit, and the F-35 is like the Polish fleet before the Second World War: it required huge expenses, but it was absolutely useless.

        Alex: F-35 aircraft have one task, like everything that the Polish leadership does. It spreads propaganda, inspiring the public that the authorities provided us with security. The truth, however, is that our hostile provocative policies created dangerous tension on the Poland-Russia and Poland-Germany lines.

        Chłop: In a small territory like Poland, in modern warfare only missile deterrence will work. At the very beginning of the conflict, they will attack us not with the help of ground forces, but with the help of missiles.

        https://inosmi.ru/politic/20200131/246746831.html
        1. Vasily Ponomarev 31 January 2020 18: 30 New
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          quote foreign media is the same as turning on a second acc and arguing with yourself
      6. Staroshil 31 January 2020 17: 55 New
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        Poland is not a poor state.

        That's why Aron, this dear toy, is being sucked in by them .. There Israel is constantly updating software .. Well done, Jews .. !!!
        Where can the Poles fly to them ... Let’s beat right away in Belarus yet Or rather they won’t even have time to take off (if we want) .. wink
      7. Aerodrome 31 January 2020 18: 13 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Poland is not a poor state.

        yes ... alms. you can live.
      8. NF68 31 January 2020 18: 20 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Poland is not a poor state.


        But not so rich as to buy such expensive toys.
      9. purple 31 January 2020 18: 23 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Poland is not a poor state.

        Live a Jew, not stupid, like there should be ...
        Must understand how GDP is considered, and why it is fiction
      10. venik 31 January 2020 19: 21 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Poland is not a poor state.

        Poland ranks 21st in the world in terms of nominal GDP: ▲ $ 593,295 billion.
        GDP growth: 4,8% (2017), 5% (2018), 3,7% (2019). GDP per capita: ▲ $ 33 (PPP).

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        But the worst thing is the Polish "air ARMADA" !!! belay :
        "...To date, the Polish Air Force is listed 27 MiG-29 as well 48 F-16 fighters and 18 Su-22..... " lol
        1. Aaron Zawi 31 January 2020 19: 25 New
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          Quote: venik
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Poland is not a poor state.

          Poland ranks 21st in the world in terms of nominal GDP: ▲ $ 593,295 billion.
          GDP growth: 4,8% (2017), 5% (2018), 3,7% (2019). GDP per capita: ▲ $ 33 (PPP).

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          But the worst thing is the Polish "air ARMADA" !!! belay :
          "...To date, the Polish Air Force is listed 27 MiG-29 as well 48 F-16 fighters and 18 Su-22..... " lol

          That's it. The Polish Air Force is definitely weak.
          1. venik 31 January 2020 19: 41 New
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            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            That's it. The Polish Air Force is definitely weak.

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            Here it is not so much in the quantitative composition of the Air Force as in Ambition! Look at the Finns - the Air Force, and even fewer ..... But they created a SUFFICIENT (in their opinion) self-defense system - and they sit quietly, do their OWN affairs, do not "jump" on anyone! Another thing is "gentry". These are almost Smolensk by storm "to return to the bosom of the Commonwealth" "soaped"! And this is just funny and sad - at the same time!
            1. opus 31 January 2020 22: 42 New
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              Another thing is "gentry". These are almost Smolensk by storm "to return to the bosom of the Commonwealth" "soaped"!

              believe it is a lie
              Toko-sho from-tudava.
          2. Staroshil 31 January 2020 19: 43 New
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            That's it. The Polish Air Force is definitely weak.

            Maybe there, place an Israeli military base and sell the "iron dome" to them.? In Europe, many Arabs arrived and terrorists. lol
            Then their Russians will definitely not be touched and Germany will not have to return the territories donated to them by the USSR ..
            How is Aron such an option?
      11. Tersky 31 January 2020 19: 43 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Poland is not a poor state.

        Of course..... yes Except that this "little" rules your statistics - from the moment Poland joined the European Union until the end of March 2019, more than 110 billion euros have arrived in the country's budget. More specifically, the sources of the "wealth" of the Russophobic limitroph parasitic in the EU ...
      12. cat Rusich 31 January 2020 22: 02 New
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        Write down how many Poland received subsidies from the EU. When Poland moves to LNG from the United States, let’s see how much "fat $" remains with the Poles ...
      13. Ratmir_Ryazan 1 February 2020 00: 51 New
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        The national debt of Poland 54% of GDP, that is, Poland more than 300 billion dollars should.

        They do not make +5 billion dollars to the debt. Descendants will give or default declared.

        But they bought 32 F-35 fighter-bomber, not all of them MiGs to break about birches.
      14. codetalker 1 February 2020 03: 13 New
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        Poland has an external debt of 70% of GDP. So the question at whose expense the banquet is very relevant. The Poles have no money of their own.
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          Quote: codetalker
          Poland has an external debt of 70% of GDP. So the question at whose expense the banquet is very relevant. The Poles have no money of their own.
          Japan has a debt of 200% of GDP, which does not prevent her from living richly. Yes, this is not good, but if a country develops, the economy grows, and debts are paid on time, then what are the problems? In theory, this can be done indefinitely.
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            This means that the state does not decide how to live for itself. Good or bad people will live in such a country, other states decide according to their interests. Well, even Japan to take how much they are on strike there against the American base. And their local girls are raped and sometimes even American soldiers are killed. They kind of even held some kind of referendum about this ... But the base is still there.
      15. Karaul14 1 February 2020 07: 16 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Poland ranks 21st in the world in terms of nominal GDP: ▲ $ 593,295 billion.
        GDP growth: 4,8% (2017), 5% (2018), 3,7% (2019). GDP per capita: ▲ $ 33 (PPP).
        If GDP is indicated in nominal value, it would be fair for per capita to also indicate in nominal value - 16k dollars, about XNUMX times more than in Russia. It’s just that there isn’t such a bias as in Russia with its Moscow and St. Petersburg with a bunch of billionaires, which they then divide into everyone and go out on average in the hospital.
      16. ROSS_51 6 February 2020 19: 42 New
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        Not poor, but no money was found for the normal modification of the donated 2A4 Leopards.
        And the F-35 is all the same for frankly rich countries. And the issue of weapons has not yet been resolved.
    3. sir.jonn 31 January 2020 17: 56 New
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      Great Britain, the second largest contribution to the budget, leaves the European Union in which Poland eats just as many grandmas. Probably the Poles are in a hurry before restructuring the budget.
      1. Staroshil 31 January 2020 19: 45 New
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        Quote: sir.jonn
        Great Britain, the second largest contribution to the budget, leaves the European Union in which Poland eats just as many grandmas. Probably the Poles are in a hurry before restructuring the budget.

        Anglo-Saxons, as the Jews sense that it is time to blame ..
        The only question is, with whom and with whom will they pit again in Europe?
      2. opus 31 January 2020 22: 50 New
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        Probably the Poles are in a hurry before restructuring the budget.

        EEC infusion into Poland in 2020: GDP growth dynamics will slow down to about 3%
        (investments will decrease from 5,8% to 0,2% in 2020)
        We did not even dream of a 3% GDP growth
        The Poles turned out to be the most cunning.

        -work and work they know how
        not a stupid nation (traders, workers, engineers)
    4. TermNachTer 31 January 2020 20: 13 New
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      Vague doubts torment me - delivery on an advance payment or on credit? Situevina financial in Polyandia and so "not a fountain", but here such wide gestures.
    5. missuris 1 February 2020 02: 21 New
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      at the expense of the eu, for 14 years received 150 billion subsidies and paid 50 billion taxes to the eu budget, a surplus of 100 billion.
      approximately 7 billion a year is clean and comes out, i.e. This EU bought 32 f35 Poland)
    6. oligofren32 1 February 2020 02: 28 New
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      At whose expense is the banquet?

      To a greater extent at the expense of German taxpayers. And old Merkel doesn’t catch mice at all, silently watches how money from her economy, instead of creating jobs in Germany itself or somewhere else in the EU, settles in America. Strange, as soon as she herself was able to weave off a similar generous offer from the Americans in favor of her eurofighter?
    7. Azazelo 1 February 2020 05: 46 New
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      And this is not an account, but the NATO jump base. The freaks in power do not give a damn what Russia will do in Poland from a nuclear ashes if something happens .....
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      At whose expense is the banquet?

      at the expense of Russian pensioners is not otherwise ...
  2. By the time the Polish Air Force puts all F-35 aircraft specified in this contract on combat duty, we will already bring our MiG-29, which they want to get rid of in this way, to level 7 ++

    After the news about the merger of Su and MiG - all the equipment we have is automatically raised to the seventh generation ...
    1. Sky strike fighter 31 January 2020 18: 01 New
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      Mig-29 to level 7 ++? It is necessary to have a snack. In general, we have created a Su-57 and weapons for it. Mig-35 is suitable as a workhorse for the VKS, where the capabilities of the Su-57 are redundant. For example, it can perform work on ground targets following the example of the participation of the aerospace forces in the Syrian conflict.
      1. Golovan Jack 31 January 2020 18: 06 New
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        Mig-29 to level 7 ++?

        Yes you give up. Man frankly trolls laughing
      2. For my part, there was a joke of humor. So to speak, a place where you can smile is about seven plus plus
        1. Golovan Jack 31 January 2020 18: 17 New
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          Quote: ₮ ᗿტ ع Ոթ ტᙡ ሎ ტ ع
          For my part, there was a joke of humor

          But this is also a "joke of humor"?

          Quote: ₮ ᗿტ ع Ոթ ტᙡ ሎ ტ ع
          This vindictive Erdogan turned out to be.

          Looks like he didn’t like the phrase that he won’t get off with tomatoes alone.

          He sets ultimatums for us according to Ildib, invades the zone of our interests in Libya, builds a backup channel for the Bosphorus, reduced the number of pipelines to two ...
          Then also with our S-400s, the sky will close us there.

          Eh, it was not necessary to forgive him Peshkov

          However, you have a kind of "humor" yes
      3. ROSS_51 6 February 2020 20: 24 New
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        And more about weapons for the Su-57?
        I apparently missed the news that it was already created.
    2. vadsonen 31 January 2020 18: 38 New
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      up to level 7 ++

      No, the generation will remain 4, but there will be 7 pluses.
  3. Timurleng 31 January 2020 17: 49 New
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    Well done Poles, it's time to update the park
    1. Dym71 31 January 2020 18: 02 New
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      Quote: Timurleng
      Well done Poles

      Well done Americans, they brought in Turkish Penguins to the Poles, and even furnished everything so that they begged these planes bully
      1. Vasily Ponomarev 31 January 2020 18: 33 New
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        oh, and earlier, the Soviet Union could also “suck in”, but only modern Russia does not advance its interests, the sucker did not grow
        1. Dym71 31 January 2020 19: 07 New
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          eh and earlier, the Soviet Union could also "drag in"

          So we never did, nothing personal, it's just business - not ours at all, for the mentality is different.
          1. Vasily Ponomarev 31 January 2020 19: 10 New
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            they sell to other countries for a lot of money, the USSR sold cheaply to the “right” countries, so whose approach is better?
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              Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
              they sell to other countries for a lot of money, the USSR sold at a cheap price "right"

              But then they wrote to what then?
              Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
              oh and earlier and the Soviet Union could also
              1. Vasily Ponomarev 31 January 2020 19: 17 New
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                Well, I mean about competition in the world market, before we bought a lot more than now
  4. Mathafaka 31 January 2020 17: 52 New
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    It is amazingly simple how Americans can make money. Need to learn.
    1. Vasily Ponomarev 31 January 2020 18: 35 New
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      it looks like in their blood https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3578559.htmlm, they feel money per kilometer, which is good, we would be able to do that too, but ....
  5. RADIOACTIVE 31 January 2020 17: 55 New
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    An expensive penguin fun
  6. Ros 56 31 January 2020 18: 04 New
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    By then, either the emir (USA) will die or the donkey (Poles) will die. By analogy with Khoja Nasreddin. laughing
  7. Cowbra 31 January 2020 18: 06 New
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    But the idea of ​​grandmother, Senya, where are the grandmothers?
    The problem is that Poland’s budget is already scarce. And recently they ran into a reduction in subsidies, which is also important. Now we hear for signing ... And the money, Zin?
    1. Sky strike fighter 31 January 2020 18: 11 New
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      Pilot training will begin in 2024, it will take place in the United States, Poland will receive the first F-35s in 2026.

      So there, in the article, it is written that they will begin to act in 2026, that is, actually not very soon. And there either don’t don’t live until that time. And in what year does the EU stop subsidizing Poland?
      1. n0001 31 January 2020 18: 30 New
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        The first copies in 2024. Received from the factory. Training of the first instructor pilots in the USA.
    2. Pete mitchell 31 January 2020 18: 18 New
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      Poland’s budget is already scarce. And recently they ran into a reduction in subsidies, which is also important

      Let's rephrase: Poland from the countries receiving European funding should become a donor country to the European Union. And all the beautiful statistics are becoming not so optimistic.
      Of course they will acquire planes, it will be sad to operate all this economy
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    1. Sky strike fighter 31 January 2020 18: 14 New
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      Rather, the Old Man will once again untwist us for our credit.
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  9. Kibl 31 January 2020 18: 19 New
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    Is this Poland not a poor “state"? Yes, remove all subsidies and loans of the EU and EVERYTHING, Poland in full Ze.
    1. Vasily Ponomarev 31 January 2020 18: 26 New
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      can you tell how much subsidies are in percent of gdp?
  10. Aerodrome 31 January 2020 18: 23 New
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    Poland signed a contract for the supply of 32 F-35A fighters
    Hooray ... cho.
  11. Po-tzan 31 January 2020 18: 24 New
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    The question is, with whom was she going to fight?

    Scary? am
    1. Svarog51 31 January 2020 19: 29 New
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      Scary?

      Why? We’ll be “afraid” for six years. yes And when they arrive ... we turn off the lights in the houses so that they do not notice us. lol
  12. purple 31 January 2020 18: 24 New
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    Great Britain, the second largest contribution to the budget, leaves the European Union in which Poland eats just as many grandmas. Probably the Poles are in a hurry before restructuring the budget.

    Well, I didn’t see the contract ... but the supply is in 2026 ... the Poles are optimistic ... well, or they’re "ilite" anyway to their people
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  14. Kurare 31 January 2020 18: 29 New
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    The contract value amounted to $ 4,6 billion, ...

    The preliminary cost of the order was $ 6,5 billion, but Warsaw apparently managed to lower the cost of the contract during the negotiations.

    At least do something, but I do not believe that it was possible to drop the price by almost 30%! Surely, either the Poles gave something, or the Americans did not deliver.

    Germany and France are very unhappy with this turn. European money is capitalized, and American products are bought. The largest fifth column in the EU: Poland and the Baltic countries.
    1. n0001 31 January 2020 18: 48 New
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      Price: 6,5 billion This is the maximum contract value for which you can buy 32 aircraft, as well as 50 engines. This is the upper limit of the entire order. If you do not buy 50 engines, but several, the order will be $ 4,6 billion, similar to Belgium.
      1. Kurare 31 January 2020 19: 08 New
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        If you do not buy 50 engines, but several, the order will be $ 4,6 billion, similar to Belgium.

        That’s exactly what I wrote: “Surely either the Poles presented something or the Americans didn’t deliver it.” Those. "managed to lower the price" it simply means did not buy a lot of things. This is not a price reduction, but a change in the volume of supply and, accordingly, another, lower price.
        1. LiSiCyn 31 January 2020 19: 25 New
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          Those. "managed to lower the price" it simply means did not buy a lot of things.

          The average cost of a unit amounted to 143 million 750 thousand ... That with the declared value of 87 million, there are not so few “for service”. request
          1. Keyser soze 31 January 2020 19: 48 New
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            With a declared value of 87 million, there is not so little “for service”.


            Eto and training, support, new infrastructure and ammunition. And to us the first batch of F 16 flew into a huge bag. Change everything and go from MiG 29 to Amer aircraft (or vice versa) is godlessly expensive.

            If the Turks switch from F35 to Su57 you will see what a huge sum they will pay .... everything needs to be changed ....
          2. Kurare 7 February 2020 09: 56 New
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            An article on the state of the Polish Air Force and in particular on the purchase of the F-35 was published yesterday in the CAST unofficial blog:
            https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3923844.htmlhttps://bmpd.livejournal.com/3923844.html
            ... with which the Poles and congratulations!
        2. n0001 31 January 2020 19: 46 New
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          The price of the base F 35 is the same for all buyers. Additional elements of weapons, training and spare parts are important. The US Congress can build orders of up to $ 6,5 billion.
          Depending on needs and configuration, the final price differs from the upper limit set by the US Congress.
    2. ROSS_51 6 February 2020 20: 28 New
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      Armament is not included in the price of the contract.
  15. Romka 31 January 2020 18: 29 New
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    “Listen, here are the grandmas — I want what would be rich.” F-35 is a kind of show off at the state level due to the treasury.
  16. purple 31 January 2020 18: 30 New
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    At least do something, but I do not believe that it was possible to drop the price by almost 30%! Surely, either the Poles gave something, or the Americans did not deliver.

    Yes, they won’t give them money ... Poland simply has the States they want, that's what it means to buy up the elite ...
    Poles as people are very similar to us, the same in principle, and the problems too ... and just can not do anything with their power
    1. Staroshil 31 January 2020 18: 34 New
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      Quote: purple
      Quote: Kurare
      At least do something, but I do not believe that it was possible to drop the price by almost 30%! Surely, either the Poles gave something, or the Americans did not deliver.

      Yes, they won’t give them money ... Poland simply has the States they want, that's what it means to buy up the elite ...
      Poles as people are very similar to us, the same in principle, and the problems too ... and just can not do anything with their power

      Most likely they make a couple dozen more monuments to the dead Soviet soldiers demolished by bulldozers before the May holidays and EVERYTHING!
    2. voyaka uh 1 February 2020 13: 04 New
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      "Poles as people are very similar to us, the same in principle" ////
      ----
      This is rightly noticed. Genetically - one people.
      But the Poles have no natural resources. This is a plus.
      We have to strain and create a modern economy.
      And they managed to do it from the 90s.
  17. _Ugene_ 31 January 2020 18: 31 New
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    Poland signed a contract for the supply of 32 F-35A fighters
    Well, the Kaliningrad S-400s will feel them from all sides, it’s not forever that they fly with Luneberg lenses
  18. Thrifty 31 January 2020 18: 33 New
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    So, until 2024, the Poles still need to survive. The British left the EU, the Germans and the French do not want to pull the rest of Europe at their own expense. And, taking into account the fact that Polyakhia occupies Europe, wants to dominate, but has an economy that is much weaker than that of the French, they will simply not be given new loans. Having received f35, Polyakhia will put them "in the crap, under the fence", because there is not enough money for the service, and spare parts as well as for consumables. ...
    1. n0001 31 January 2020 18: 43 New
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      The order also includes spare parts, engine and many other elements
      1. Thrifty 31 January 2020 19: 03 New
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        There is one thing, but an airplane is not cheap, you can fly it only under the control of the United States, you can only pray for it on your own. Even the replacement or updating of the stealth coating will be done by specialists from the USA, and the coating is still unstable, and very expensive and unreliable. It seems to be like 5 flights, and it needs to be changed. ..So, the world will quickly go to Polyakhia, with such an airplane.
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          In such projects, 30% is the first purchase, and 70% is the cost of ownership over the entire life cycle. This is clear to everyone.
  19. smaug78 31 January 2020 18: 35 New
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    How many "stupid Americans have sucked in their flightless penguins to their slaves" and how much Russia sold Su and Mig to progressive humanity over the same period? Americans in any way well done ...
    1. alavrin 31 January 2020 18: 50 New
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      The usual pay for the loyalty of the satellite state. Now the United States is well done for you, and in 50-100 years they will be remembered by everyone and they will kick everything, and among the former they will be the same Poles, well, the Baltic states, if by that time they will not die out, they will not miss their ...)
  20. smaug78 31 January 2020 18: 55 New
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    Now the United States is great for you,

    Of course, well done, if they are bringing it in, shekels earn money. What is bad, tax deductions, spare parts, repairs, maintenance, etc. What do you disagree with, we do not need to strive for this?
    And what they remember - do not care, the main budget is more.
    1. alavrin 31 January 2020 18: 57 New
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      No, I generally agree with you - only the term "earn" is not accurate. More precisely: the Poles pay them for their patronage.
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        So these are the problems of logs, not their owners laughing
  21. ShM05 31 January 2020 19: 09 New
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    It’s funny to me when they ask where Poland is going to fight when they buy modern weapons, they ask the same questions when Norway, Finland, Latvia do the same. It’s like adults are sitting on the site, you don’t think that a single European country alone will fight with Russia, there are not stupid people, they are at the call of the owner when it comes time to unite against us all over the place. So count how much will come out only at the border with us f-35, then jokes are not appropriate.
  22. thinker 31 January 2020 19: 12 New
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    Quote: Cowbra
    What about the money, Zin?

    As always, all the answers in the original source are
    Everything will be financed from the budget of the Ministry of National Defense. Payments must be made to the American side in 2020-2030 ... Including VAT on the cost of deliveries of military equipment to the territory of the Republic of Poland, the value of the contract on the day of signing is 20,7 billion zlotys or $ 5.3 billion.

    https://www.defence24.pl/harpia-nowe-szczegoly-kontraktu-na-polskie-f-35
  23. rocket757 31 January 2020 19: 30 New
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    Hedgehogs want to eat cacti ... they don’t argue about tastes. Have you already stocked with handkerchiefs to wipe your saliva and tears?
  24. Tarasios 31 January 2020 20: 27 New
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    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Poland is not a poor state.

    The question is, with whom is she going to fight? If with us, then 300 F-35s will not help her. That is, the conversation goes from the contingent, which is Poland. As a separate state, in terms of military power, Poland is about nothing. Maybe it's time for us to introduce economic sanctions against Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine, for starters? And then the game is something in one gate already fed up.

    Poland is going to fight or not - the main thing here is that the States have completed another deal. War and consumables, which are people, weapons, etc. is a very good business
  25. Fishery 31 January 2020 20: 29 New
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    rich, decent amount.
  26. Pavel57 31 January 2020 20: 42 New
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    Arm. After all, Rosstya is already at the borders of NATO.
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    Naive people. Who in the world is buying weapons in order to fight with someone. In most countries with slightly different goals.
  28. Adimius38 31 January 2020 21: 49 New
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    I'm afraid that Poland will have more 5th generation combat aircraft than Russia at this time
    1. Alexey Lobanov 1 February 2020 01: 08 New
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      I am afraid that having Russia under the left side, even the 6th generation will not save them. Not 32 f35, not 100 ...
      The question is simple, if there is a war with us, there will be no Europe. If you don’t want to fight with us, why do you need a whole rascal? Free money?
      1. Adimius38 1 February 2020 07: 33 New
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        China has already calculated that Russia will last 3 hours, so think. No, of course, not against Poland alone, but against the United States and NATO, which are already in Poland. Of course, it is up to everyone to believe this or not, but I would not be so sure that everything is rosy and azure with us. And one more such small nuance, Russia has been adhering to a defense strategy for several decades, and this only hides one thing, that we do not have an offensive potential, since an offensive strategy implies the amount of modern weapons many times greater than the amount of weapons a potential enemy has. Under the Soviet Union, we had such a strategy and armament with which we could sweep across EUROPE with a breeze, TAKE EUROPE before the United States pulled up the main forces, and the main US forces were still on the verge of destroying our powerful Soviet submarine and surface fleet and combat aircraft. Now we do not have the USSR, therefore, 32 F-35s on our border is not good. It’s not to be said that this aircraft is advanced and it is not known at all whether our air defense systems see it and at what distance
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          China is already completely in the cesspool after they were lowered before the whole world by the spread of the virus. Now he is waiting for a new Tiananmen or awakened Hongweibins.
          Irichmetics, damn it! How many versus the British or Japanese did they last? The virus is developed in the United States clearly against the Chinese. In the US, there was a leak of information about the development of 10 years ago.
  29. Ryaruav 31 January 2020 21: 49 New
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    as it is customary to write on the site and where is the money zing
  30. Vlad5307 31 January 2020 22: 43 New
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    Quote: Ryaruav
    as it is customary to write on the site and where is the money zing

    Yes, the woman did not have grief - I bought a pig! By 2024, the program will be limited to training pilots and buying 10 times less than the number of letaks. There is no money, but Russia does not give them - just as the poor panel does not “ask”. laughing
  31. Gleborg 1 February 2020 01: 02 New
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    The Poles are doing everything right, updating the Air Force is already necessary, and updating it on the most massive fighter of the 5th generation. In the case of a hypothetical conflict, in order to push such an amount of fighters the enemy should have at least three more forces, and even in this case, the Polish Air Force will be able to resist for a long time until the approach of the main NATO forces.
    ps the opinion of the mourners on the budget of Poland is not taken into account, as well as the rumors about f35 which are supposedly not a 5 generation elite. laughing
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    Germans: "Die ersten sechs Lfz sollen zwischen 2024 und 2025 abgeliefert werden und für Ausbildungszwecke in den USA verbleiben. Enthalten im Deal sind ua ein Ausbildungszentrum mit 8 Missionssimulatoren, die Ausbildung vnnhlen pon pompom Pompom Pompom Rüststand Block 24. Vertraglich abgesichert ist auch die Nachrüstung von bereits abgelieferten Lfz mit Änderungen, die im Laufe der Produktion einfließen. Eine Besonderheit der polnischen F-90 wird deren Ausstattung mit einem Bremendenms denmsenmenchms denmenen (It is expected that the first six machines will be delivered between 4 and 35 and will remain (temporarily) in the United States for training. The deal includes a training center with 2024 flight simulators for missions, training 2025 pilots to become a flight instructor and 8 technicians. Poland will receive the option of “block 24." The modernization of already delivered vehicles, taking into account changes made during production, is also provided by the contract. A feature of the Polish F-90 is its equipping with a parachute similar to Norwegian vehicles.)
  33. Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 06: 46 New
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    Well now for the Poles, for complete happiness you need to steal an aircraft carrier ..))))
  34. pafegosoff 1 February 2020 14: 05 New
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    Wonderful, let him go into debt with a three-time beaten hat-lackey ...
  35. Gosha Smirnov 2 February 2020 02: 14 New
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    Well, that’s it! You can now hang out from the Russian Aerospace Forces! Even Psheks, unlike the “dear Russians,” will even have a 5th generation plane.