Poland signed a contract for the supply of 32 F-35A fighters

Poland has finally signed an agreement with the United States to purchase 32 fifth-generation F-35 fighter-bombers. The signing ceremony took place at the air base in the area of ​​Deblin. It is reported by the Ministry of National Defense of Poland.

According to the report, the signing of the agreement was attended by Polish President Andrzej Duda, Prime Minister Mateusz Moravecki and Minister of National Defense Mariusz Blaszczak.

The contract value amounted to $ 4,6 billion, in addition to supplying the aircraft themselves, each of which cost Poland $ 87 million, it includes training for Polish pilots, the supply of flight simulators, as well as logistics support. Pilot training will begin in 2024, it will take place in the United States, Poland will receive the first F-35s in 2026.

As previously reported, in September last year, the US Congress approved the sale to Poland of 32 F-35A fighters. The preliminary cost of the order was $ 6,5 billion, but Warsaw apparently managed to lower the cost of the contract during the negotiations.

According to the statement of the Polish Minister of Defense, the acquisition of fifth-generation F-35 aircraft will enhance the combat capabilities of F-16 aircraft and completely get rid of "worn-out Soviet aircraft without combat value." We are talking about the MiG-29 and Su-22 standing in service with the Polish Air Force.

To date, the Polish Air Force has 27 MiG-29s, as well as 48 F-16s and 18 Su-22s.

Comments

[purple]

At whose expense is the banquet?

[Livonetc]

Poland seems to have started an adventure.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: purple

At whose expense is the banquet?

Poland is not a poor state.

Poland ranks 21st in the world in terms of nominal GDP: ▲ $ 593,295 billion.
GDP growth: 4,8% (2017), 5% (2018), 3,7% (2019). GDP Per Capita: ▲ $ 33 (PPP)

[The popuas]

Aron why? Why are you upsetting the local public with such numbers?

[Keyser soze]

Why are you upsetting the local audience ...

Yes, and you can continue - from June in Poland, the minimum wage becomes 980 euros. They also have money for workers, which is more important than buying or not flying flying ....

[cat Rusich]

Poland has a "capitalist paradise" - why do Polish workers go to Germany to work? Why do Poles hire Ukrainians to work in Poland? What about the shipyards in Gdansk?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Keyser Soze

from June in Poland the minimum wage becomes 980 euros

Especially took prices for the Polish "Auchan" - yes, in a coffin I saw such a "paradise" with such a "minimal salary"!
At us at a construction site men receive such money and at OUR month prices live quietly.
Average prices for 2019 in the Polish "Bedronka" and in the Polish "Auchan". Compare - we all go to stores ...

Who does not believe me - I hope the account in the search engine is not blocked ...

60 euros a kilogram of salmon, 2 euros a liter of milk, 7-8 euros a dozen eggs ... I have not been to Moscow for a long time, but these prices shock us on the Volga.

To whom the hunt in this "paradise" is open - sign up at the Polish embassy ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Zoldat_A

60 euros a kilogram of salmon, 2 euros a liter of milk, 7-8 euros a dozen eggs ...

What makes you think that prices are in euros, not zloty? 2 zł - 33 rubles a liter of milk in Poland costs.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Zoldat_A

60 euros a kilogram of salmon, 2 euros a liter of milk, 7-8 euros a dozen eggs ...

What makes you think that prices are in euros, not zloty? 2 zł - 33 rubles a liter of milk in Poland costs.

What are the zloty in 2019? What dimension do you live in?

You still remember the franchises with francs ... Brexit-Creeps in your head?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Zoldat_A

What are the zloty in 2019? What dimension do you live in?

Yes, it seems like in 2020 from the Nativity of Christ.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Zoldat_A

You still remember the franchises with francs ... Brexit-Creeps in your head?

Poland did not introduce the euro. And she didn’t refuse zloty.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Zoldat_A

You still remember the franchises with francs ... Brexit-Creeps in your head?

Poland did not introduce the euro. And she didn’t refuse zloty.

From all migrant workers who wash toilets in Poland, and I have been working as installers of metal structures, I heard that ALL calculations are made in euros and the zlotys are remembered as a relic of the "Soviet occupation".

For reference - I have 19 such people working. Statistics, however ...

Could for the sake of your EGO and NATIONALISM dismiss them or transfer the salary not to rubles, but to zloty, but I won’t - the guys are good, the installers are no worse than ours, although not better - they don’t know how to work drunk.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Could for the sake of your EGO and NATIONALISM dismiss them or transfer the salary not to rubles, but to zloty

It’s better to pay African rands to them, let them run, as I ran about three years ago, I could not exchange hryvnias for rubles.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Zoldat_A

Could for the sake of your EGO and NATIONALISM dismiss them or transfer the salary not to rubles, but to zloty

It’s better to pay African rands to them, let them run, as I ran about three years ago, I could not exchange hryvnias for rubles.

They don't even complain about rubles. One thing is bad for them - I pay in rubles, and it is more profitable for them to send dollars to the budget of the "square". They lose on the course.

[Victor Lutvin]

All right all the prices in Poland in zloty.

[God save the king]

This is in zloty. Multiply by 17 and you will see that the prices are quite Russian.

To whom the hunt in this "paradise" is open - sign up at the Polish embassy ...

Now, even from St. Petersburg to Poland, guest workers are being recruited ... and there are no volunteers, all quotas have been selected.

At us at a construction site men receive such money

you do not compare sticking at a construction site and a minimum ... in Poland there are also construction sites, and what salaries there you can easily see on job search sites (far from 980)

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: God save the Tsar

This is in zloty. Multiply by 17 and you will see that the prices are quite Russian.

Yeah. The minimum wage is in euros, and the prices for 2019 are in zloty. Is your search engine banned?

Quote: God save the Tsar

in Poland there are also construction projects, and what salaries there you can easily peek at job search sites

So in Moscow, a furniture collector earns as a good welder in Saratov. So the life of other money costs - all my life I went to work. For two months in Moscow (Poland, Surgut) he eats instant noodles, rests at home like a king for a month.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Zoldat_A

For two months in Moscow (Poland, Surgut) he eats instant noodles, rests at home like a king for a month.

I see as many as six dissenting (on the "sleepers"). If only one would say what I was wrong about?

At home, in Saratov, Pskov, Orenburg or Ulyanovsk, family. Waiting for dad with earnings. Dad plows for two months as an auxiliary at a construction site (a security guard in a supermarket, a furniture assembler, etc.), eats "Doshirak", fucks incomprehensible women for 150 grams of vodka, washes once a week under a hose at a construction site, sleeps on a bare mattress and other delights guest workers - even Russian, even foreign. But he comes home for a month with a thousand "Baku", drinks for a week, "rests", then buys gifts for his wife and children - as a result, by the end of the "rest" not a fig remains, and here is the watch. And dad again left for two months to "earn money".

Whoever has not seen such a picture - from all willingly I catch disagreement in the form of "minuses".
Will only conscience allow?

[The popuas]

So this is minimal! Take our cost of living and compare prices in our Auchan

[Muxalet]

Prices are in Moscow, and salaries are 2 times higher ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Muxalet

Prices are in Moscow, and salaries are 2 times higher ...

A kilogram of onion 2 euros? With mine, on the Middle Volga, 15 rubles a season and 30 rubles in the winter?

I won’t go to Moscow for food, all the more so to Poland.

[Brturin]

Quote: Keyser Soze

They have money for workers, which is more important than buying or not flying cars

there is such an opinion

Marek Belka, a former Polish finance minister, calls this a «irresponsibility festival’, the goal of which is to identify citizens with the PiS mandate: “Instead of investing in infrastructure or improving services, the ruling party prefers to stupidly pay certain groups the population counting on reciprocal courtesy in the form of support, - the ex-official notes. - Thus, subsidies from the EU are simply being consumed. Once upon a time, this soap bubble of ostentatious welfare should burst ”https://eadaily.com/en/news/2019/10/15/polsha-v-lovushke-ekonomicheskogo-chuda-ili-banket-za-schet-es

And if all is well, then why such a fight for EU subsidies - "The cuts proposed by the European Commission in the seven-year EU budget especially affect the countries of Central Europe. In addition, there are additional cuts based on an arbitrary and politically motivated assessment of the so-called rule of law In the case of Poland, the cuts are 23%. This is the reason for the veto, and the budget requires unanimity "- Member of the European Parliament from Poland Jacek Sariusz-Wolski. It's time to become the donors of the budget ourselves ...

[n0001]

2019- 4% [media = https: //www.forbes.pl/gospodarka/wzrost-pkb-w-2019-roku-dane-gus-gwaltowne-spowolnienie-w-iv-kwartale/msk93fy]

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Not poor, great! But you did not answer the question.
"Hailey like the Poles themselves." So? Or do you have verified information?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Poland is not a poor state.

The question is, with whom is she going to fight? If with us, then 300 F-35s will not help her. That is, the conversation goes from the contingent, which is Poland. As a separate state, in terms of military power, Poland is about nothing. Maybe it's time for us to introduce economic sanctions against Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine, for starters? And then the game is something in one gate already fed up.

[eklmn]

“The question is, who was she going to fight with?”
Yes with no one! Switzerland, a neutral country, and even wants a super-duper aircraft!
From Wiki: “In November 2011, the Swiss government announced its decision to buy 22 new generation Gripen fighters. A contract for 22 aircraft was signed for 3,1 billion Swiss francs. On August 25, 2012, this order was confirmed by both the Swedish and Swiss authorities. ”
And with whom is Switzerland going to fight with its neutrality?
The general trend is to have a modern army. If there are grandmas, then why not? And note - neither in Poland nor in Switzerland do the presidents discuss low pensions or impoverishment of the population (a hint is clear?).
You can, of course, be proud of the number of military aircraft per capita, but at what cost? And I assure you that this indicator, itself / person, will improve for Russia, because the population is dying ....

[NEXUS]

Quote: eklmn

Yes with no one!

Now in most countries of the world, sick people are in power with megalomania and the desire not to coexist peacefully with their neighbors, but to fight and put a couple of million of their citizens in the grave. Russia as a scarecrow for these patients, in order to justify their actions in front of the electorate, which has long understood that for these citizens a psychiatric hospital has been crying with orderlies for a long time. What is Ukraine, what is the Baltic states, what is Georgia with Poland and Bulgaria ... and at the head of this idiocy is England and the USA. Moreover, if you look, such idiocy and hysteria are caught up all over the world by a total of 100 people in power in these countries. That is, XNUMX thousand psychopaths nightmares the whole world and determines life on the planet.

[Staroshil]

Quote: NEXUS

Now in most countries of the world, sick people are in power with megalomania and the desire not to coexist peacefully with their neighbors, but to fight and put a couple of million of their citizens in the grave. Russia as a scarecrow for these patients

It’s not bad said Andrei .. Everyone understands this, but they can’t counteract anything (the same Ukraine is in front of Bandera) ..

Quote: NEXUS

Moreover, if you look, such idiocy and hysteria are caught up all over the world by a total of 100 people in power in these countries. That is, XNUMX thousand psychopaths nightmares the whole world and determines life on the planet.

And there Aron reacted))) And this is no accident ..

Quote: Aron Zaavi

They don’t plan to fight, but they really want to play a more significant role in NATO and in Europe, especially Eastern. And this, in addition to economics, relies on strong forces.

Here's what to do with them ..?

[orionvitt]

Quote: eklmn

“The question is, who was she going to fight with?”
Yes with no one! Switzerland, a neutral country, and even wants a super-duper aircraft!

Unlike Switzerland, no one will ask Poland. In vain or something, it is constantly pumped up with money at the expense of the European Union. For pretty eyes? They just raise a "butchery bull", which, in which case, it is not a pity to "stab".

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: NEXUS

The question is, with whom is she going to fight? If with us, then 300 F-35s will not help her. That is, the conversation goes from the contingent, which is Poland. As a separate state, in terms of military power, Poland is about nothing. Maybe it's time for us to introduce economic sanctions against Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine, for starters? And then the game is something in one gate already fed up.

They don’t plan to fight, but they really want to play a more significant role in NATO and in Europe, especially Eastern. And this, in addition to economics, relies on strong forces.

[Andrzej k]

It is not a matter of whom Poland wants to fight, because in a real conflict it will lose a lot.

The fact is who will make money on this - Big Brother ordered and immediately bought new expensive toys.

Yes, airplanes of the Soviet era without factory service actually do not really represent much value and have been quite dangerous lately, but for defense (or potential defense) other F-16s or even Gripen will be enough - airplanes not to break through, but exclusively for defense.

Aggressive Polish politics is dragging my homeland into dangerous waters, and the US government’s ministry goes beyond all borders.

But in the parades and in front of your electorate there will again be muscular tension, since we are again “Silni, Zwarci i Gotowi”.

Repeating past mistakes is a tragedy. The F-35 is a replay of the 220 mm Skoda IIRP mortar. Expensive, expensive to use and useful only in parades

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, here you are, dear, wrong. By your logic, most European states do not need an army at all ... But whose army then will have to be fed?
And you must admit - qualitatively their Air Force will become an order of magnitude higher ....

[NEXUS]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, here you are, dear, wrong. By your logic, most European states do not need an army at all ... But whose army then will have to be fed?
And you must admit - qualitatively their Air Force will become an order of magnitude higher ....

That’s the problem with the brains of politicians that they don’t live without taking something from a neighbor. Capitalism, edron loaf, with a very large claim to slavery. I say, these main people don’t want to live in peace and build, but they need war, death, money and human grief.
The very model of states, like fragments on the world map, has outlived itself a long time ago ... only hundreds of thousands of other politicians in the power of countries, this state of affairs does not suit, because it is not beneficial for the owners. And in the word master, I did not mean at all the peoples who elected them.
At the same time, almost 7 lards of people, like a herd of sheep, live according to the law established by this very handful of psychopaths. And to be honest, from a medical point of view, I would not be surprised that the definition of "schizophrenia" or "severe mental disorder" for many of these politicians is still a real diagnosis.

[opus]

Quote: NEXUS

The question is, with whom is she going to fight? If with us, then 300 F-35s will not help her.

Poland is in NATO, it is not going to fight alone.
NATO has 933,283 million residents
NATO has approximately 2,5 thousand aircraft, up to 1,5 thousand helicopters and 600 drones, and about 2 thousand cruise missiles are ready to launch

Quote: NEXUS

Maybe it's time for us to introduce economic sanctions against Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine, for starters?

against the Baltic states, Ukraine-I don’t know. more difficult with Poland
In 2018, trade between Russia and Poland amounted to $ 21, an increase of 681% ($ 423) compared to 159.
Russia's exports to Poland in 2018 amounted to $ 16 540 213 176, an increase of 42,86% ($ 4) compared to 962.
Russia's imports from Poland in 2018 amounted to $ 5, an increase of 141% ($ 209) compared to 983.
Machinery, equipment and vehicles (HS codes 84-90) - 43,86% of Russia's total imports from Poland (2017% in 41,43);

Chemical industry products (HS codes 28-40) - 22,85% of Russia's total imports from Poland (2017% in 23,85);
Groceries and agricultural raw materials (HS codes 01-24) - 8,83% of Russia's total imports from Poland (2017% in 8,66);
etc.

Poland sanctions for what kind of purchase of Poland F-35?
Not serious

[NEXUS]

Quote: opus

Poland is in NATO, it is not going to fight alone.
NATO has 933,283 million residents

Of these, only 20-30 thousand senior politicians want to share, rule, hysteria and cut budgets. The rest, almost a billion citizens, do not need this for nothing, and they want to live in peace. But ... so we were trained that the neighbor is sure to be going and will take yours if you do not protect it. Rulers have repeated this mantra for more than a thousand years. And why? Because these same rulers are mentally ill people with manners of a robber on a high road. And now the question is, who do we choose? A psychiatric hospital cries for them, and we sit them in the government and live according to the laws that these psychopaths write to us.

[opus]

Quote: NEXUS

Of these, only 20-30 thousand senior politicians want

Well, yes, I agree.
I'm just talking about potential.

[ROSS_51]

Quote: NEXUS

Because these same rulers are mentally ill people with manners of the robber on the high road.

Stop thinking by the criteria of a little girl on a chamomile field.
These rulers are the smartest people, who work entire institutes of analysts, forced to think globally for 50-100 years in advance. The price-survival of their own state (ideally world domination).
Russia for them is just a huge resource and they will never calm down until they tear it to pieces, because this is a condition of survival.
Any war in history, no matter how high ideals are covered, is just a war for resources.
And yes, nothing has changed since the caveman, the strongest survives.

[xGibSoNx]

The question is, with whom was she going to fight?

Um .. Stupid question by definition! Who is going to fight with someone at this point in time? Any war, in one form or another, will end with what the USA, China and the Russian Federation decide among themselves! Anyone who at least somehow wants to fight, will do it only after the above-mentioned "troika" approves this war. In any other case, the presence of aviation does not matter at all in general terms.

[opus]

Quote: xGibSoNx

Any war, in one form or another, will end in

Well, you are wrong:
1.USA-Grenada: SSR, China, no one asked
2. England - Argentina (Falklands) - no one asked
3.Livia-USA- no one asked
4. Israel, all wars = he was crap at all
5. Yugoslavia - no one asked
6. Iraq, Afghanistan.
7. Georgia-Russia - no one asked
8.Ukraine-Russia (Crimea) - no one asked
9. I’m generally drumming, I won’t ask anyone

Quote: xGibSoNx

the presence of aviation does not matter at all in general terms.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: NEXUS

The question is, with whom is she going to fight? If with us, then she and 300 F-35s will not help.

Who cares how many F-35 - 30 or 3000 burn in a radioactive desert? VVP said unequivocally about "decision-making centers" and about "pratsdarms" - well, how close you have to be to expose your country and your people to the Russian retaliation. And at the same time do not understand that "best friends" use them only as that very springboard and "cannon fodder" ...

[ROSS_51]

Well, then economic sanctions against the European Union (Poland there, if that) have long been introduced.

[Sky strike fighter]

Aron, not all Poles will agree with you, although of course it is probably more visible from Israel than from Poland. The numbers can be manipulated if desired. Comments of the Poles regarding the purchase of the F-35.

Reader Comments

Tymek: I have never heard such nonsense in my 68 years. Are we threatened by Slovakia? These planes can only make Putin laugh to tears. We do not have money for the healthcare system, and the government buys planes for billions.

Kuba: Who are we going to hold back? Ukrainians, Czechs, Russians, or maybe Germans? We ruined the relationship with everyone.

defiladowy F35: According to Wikipedia, Russia has 750 fighters, as well as 93 Su-34 fighter bomber.

Emeryt: Minister of Defense Blaschak behaves like a small child, dreaming of power. Who will scare our F-35s? This is ridiculous, we are not able to confront any enemy. Our army exists only on paper, it will not be able to restrain the aggressor for more than 24 hours.

Igo: If we really need to buy something from the Americans, why can't we get technology for building nuclear power plants? At least they will bring us some benefit, and the F-35 is like the Polish fleet before the Second World War: it required huge expenses, but it was absolutely useless.

Alex: F-35 aircraft have one task, like everything that the Polish leadership does. It spreads propaganda, inspiring the public that the authorities provided us with security. The truth, however, is that our hostile provocative policies created dangerous tension on the Poland-Russia and Poland-Germany lines.

Chłop: In a small territory like Poland, in modern warfare only missile deterrence will work. At the very beginning of the conflict, they will attack us not with the help of ground forces, but with the help of missiles.

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[Vasily Ponomarev]

quote foreign media is the same as turning on a second acc and arguing with yourself

[Staroshil]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Poland is not a poor state.

That's why Aron, this dear toy, is being sucked in by them .. There Israel is constantly updating software .. Well done, Jews .. !!!
Where can the Poles fly to them ... Let’s beat right away in Belarus yet Or rather they won’t even have time to take off (if we want) ..

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Poland is not a poor state.

yes ... alms. you can live.

[NF68]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Poland is not a poor state.

But not so rich as to buy such expensive toys.

[purple]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Poland is not a poor state.

Live a Jew, not stupid, like there should be ...
Must understand how GDP is considered, and why it is fiction

[venik]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Poland is not a poor state.

Poland ranks 21st in the world in terms of nominal GDP: ▲ $ 593,295 billion.
GDP growth: 4,8% (2017), 5% (2018), 3,7% (2019). GDP per capita: ▲ $ 33 (PPP).

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But the most SCARY is the Polish "air ARMADA" !!! :
"...To date, the Polish Air Force is listed 27 MiG-29 as well 48 F-16 fighters and 18 Su-22..... "

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: venik

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Poland is not a poor state.

Poland ranks 21st in the world in terms of nominal GDP: ▲ $ 593,295 billion.
GDP growth: 4,8% (2017), 5% (2018), 3,7% (2019). GDP per capita: ▲ $ 33 (PPP).

========
But the most SCARY is the Polish "air ARMADA" !!! :
"...To date, the Polish Air Force is listed 27 MiG-29 as well 48 F-16 fighters and 18 Su-22..... "

That's it. The Polish Air Force is definitely weak.

[venik]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

That's it. The Polish Air Force is definitely weak.

=========
It's not so much about the numerical strength of the Air Force as about AMBITIONS! The Finns have - the Air Force is even smaller in number ..... But they have created a SUFFICIENT (in their opinion) self-defense system - and they sit quietly, do their own business, do not "jump" on anyone! Another thing is the "gentry". These have almost "lathered up" Smolensk by storm "to return to the fold of the Commonwealth"! And this is just funny and sad - at the same time!

[opus]

Quote: venik

Another thing is the "gentry". These have almost "lathered up" Smolensk by storm "to return to the fold of the Commonwealth"!

believe it is a lie
Toko-sho from-tudava.

[Staroshil]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

That's it. The Polish Air Force is definitely weak.

Maybe you will place an Israeli military base there and sell the "iron dome" to them.? Many Arabs and terrorists have arrived in Europe.
Then their Russians will definitely not be touched and Germany will not have to return the territories donated to them by the USSR ..
How is Aron such an option?

[Tersky]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Poland is not a poor state.

Of course..... Is that this "a little" rules your statistics - from the moment Poland joined the European Union until the end of March 2019, the country's budget received more than 110 billion euros. Speaking more specifically about the origins of the "wealth" of the Russophobic limitrophe parasitizing the EU ...

[cat Rusich]

Write how much Poland received subsidies from the EU. When Poland switches to LNG from the United States, let's see how much "fat $" the Poles will have ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The national debt of Poland 54% of GDP, that is, Poland more than 300 billion dollars should.

They do not make +5 billion dollars to the debt. Descendants will give or default declared.

But they bought 32 F-35 fighter-bomber, not all of them MiGs to break about birches.

[codetalker]

Poland has an external debt of 70% of GDP. So the question at whose expense the banquet is very relevant. The Poles have no money of their own.

[Karaul14]

Quote: codetalker

Poland has an external debt of 70% of GDP. So the question at whose expense the banquet is very relevant. The Poles have no money of their own.

Japan has a debt of 200% of GDP, which does not prevent her from living richly. Yes, this is not good, but if a country develops, the economy grows, and debts are paid on time, then what are the problems? In theory, this can be done indefinitely.

[codetalker]

This means that the state does not decide how to live for itself. Good or bad people will live in such a country, other states decide according to their interests. Well, even Japan to take how much they are on strike there against the American base. And their local girls are raped and sometimes even American soldiers are killed. They kind of even held some kind of referendum about this ... But the base is still there.

[Karaul14]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Poland ranks 21st in the world in terms of nominal GDP: ▲ $ 593,295 billion.
GDP growth: 4,8% (2017), 5% (2018), 3,7% (2019). GDP Per Capita: ▲ $ 33 (PPP)

If GDP is indicated in nominal value, it would be fair for per capita to also indicate in nominal value - 16k dollars, about XNUMX times more than in Russia. It’s just that there isn’t such a bias as in Russia with its Moscow and St. Petersburg with a bunch of billionaires, which they then divide into everyone and go out on average in the hospital.

[ROSS_51]

Not poor, but no money was found for the normal modification of the donated 2A4 Leopards.
And the F-35 is all the same for frankly rich countries. And the issue of weapons has not yet been resolved.

[sir.jonn]

Great Britain, the second largest contribution to the budget, leaves the European Union in which Poland eats just as many grandmas. Probably the Poles are in a hurry before restructuring the budget.

[Staroshil]

Quote: sir.jonn

Great Britain, the second largest contribution to the budget, leaves the European Union in which Poland eats just as many grandmas. Probably the Poles are in a hurry before restructuring the budget.

Anglo-Saxons, as the Jews sense that it is time to blame ..
The only question is, with whom and with whom will they pit again in Europe?

[opus]

Quote: sir.jonn

Probably the Poles are in a hurry before restructuring the budget.

EEC infusion into Poland in 2020: GDP growth dynamics will slow down to about 3%
(investments will decrease from 5,8% to 0,2% in 2020)
We did not even dream of a 3% GDP growth
The Poles turned out to be the most cunning.

-work and work they know how
not a stupid nation (traders, workers, engineers)

[TermNachTer]

Are plagued by vague doubts - delivery on an advance payment or on credit? Situevina is financial in Polyandia and so "not a fountain", but here such broad gestures.

[missuris]

at the expense of the eu, for 14 years received 150 billion subsidies and paid 50 billion taxes to the eu budget, a surplus of 100 billion.
approximately 7 billion a year is clean and comes out, i.e. This EU bought 32 f35 Poland)

[oligofren32]

Quote: purple

At whose expense is the banquet?

To a greater extent at the expense of German taxpayers. And old Merkel doesn’t catch mice at all, silently watches how money from her economy, instead of creating jobs in Germany itself or somewhere else in the EU, settles in America. Strange, as soon as she herself was able to weave off a similar generous offer from the Americans in favor of her eurofighter?

[Azazelo]

And this is not an account, but the NATO jump base. The freaks in power do not give a damn what Russia will do in Poland from a nuclear ashes if something happens .....

[Gleborg]

Quote: purple

At whose expense is the banquet?

at the expense of Russian pensioners is not otherwise ...

[₮ ᗿტ ع Ոթ ტᙡ ሎ ტ ع]

By the time the Polish Air Force puts all F-35 aircraft specified in this contract on combat duty, we will already bring our MiG-29, which they want to get rid of in this way, to level 7 ++

After the news about the merger of Su and MiG - all the equipment we have is automatically raised to the seventh generation ...

[Sky strike fighter]

Mig-29 to level 7 ++? It is necessary to have a snack. In general, we have created a Su-57 and weapons for it. Mig-35 is suitable as a workhorse for the VKS, where the capabilities of the Su-57 are redundant. For example, it can perform work on ground targets following the example of the participation of the aerospace forces in the Syrian conflict.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Mig-29 to level 7 ++?

Yes you give up. Man frankly trolls

[₮ ᗿტ ع Ոթ ტᙡ ሎ ტ ع]

For my part, there was a joke of humor. So to speak, a place where you can smile is about seven plus plus

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: ₮ ᗿტ ع Ոթ ტᙡ ሎ ტ ع

For my part, there was a joke of humor

But this is also a "joke of humor"?

Quote: ₮ ᗿტ ع Ոթ ტᙡ ሎ ტ ع

This vindictive Erdogan turned out to be.

Looks like he didn’t like the phrase that he won’t get off with tomatoes alone.

He sets ultimatums for us according to Ildib, invades the zone of our interests in Libya, builds a backup channel for the Bosphorus, reduced the number of pipelines to two ...
Then also with our S-400s, the sky will close us there.

Eh, it was not necessary to forgive him Peshkov

However, you have a peculiar "humor"

[ROSS_51]

And more about weapons for the Su-57?
I apparently missed the news that it was already created.

[vadsonen]

up to level 7 ++

No, the generation will remain 4, but there will be 7 pluses.

[Timurleng]

Well done Poles, it's time to update the park

[Dym71]

Quote: Timurleng

Well done Poles

Well done Americans, they brought in Turkish Penguins to the Poles, and even furnished everything so that they begged these planes

[Vasily Ponomarev]

eh, and earlier the Soviet Union could also "vtyuhivat" but only modern Russia does not promote its interests, vtyuhivalka has not grown

[Dym71]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

eh and earlier the Soviet Union could also "vtyuhivat"

We have never done this, nothing personal, it's just business is not ours at all, because the mentality is different.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

they sell to other countries for a lot of money, the USSR sold cheap to the "right" countries, so whose approach is better?

[Dym71]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

they sell to other countries for a lot of money, the USSR sold cheap to the "right"

But then they wrote to what then?

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

oh and earlier and the Soviet Union could also

[Vasily Ponomarev]

Well, I mean about competition in the world market, before we bought a lot more than now

[Mathafaka]

It is amazingly simple how Americans can make money. Need to learn.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

it looks like in their blood https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3578559.htmlm, they feel money per kilometer, which is good, we would be able to do that too, but ....

[RADIOACTIVE]

An expensive penguin fun

[Ros 56]

By then, either the emir (USA) will die or the donkey (Poles) will die. By analogy with Khoja Nasreddin.

[Cowbra]

But the idea of ​​grandmother, Senya, where are the grandmothers?
The problem is that Poland’s budget is already scarce. And recently they ran into a reduction in subsidies, which is also important. Now we hear for signing ... And the money, Zin?

[Sky strike fighter]

Pilot training will begin in 2024, it will take place in the United States, Poland will receive the first F-35s in 2026.

So there, in the article, it is written that they will begin to act in 2026, that is, actually not very soon. And there either don’t don’t live until that time. And in what year does the EU stop subsidizing Poland?

[n0001]

The first copies in 2024. Received from the factory. Training of the first instructor pilots in the USA.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Cowbra

Poland’s budget is already scarce. And recently they ran into a reduction in subsidies, which is also important

Let's rephrase: Poland from the countries receiving European funding should become a donor country to the European Union. And all the beautiful statistics are becoming not so optimistic.
Of course they will acquire planes, it will be sad to operate all this economy

[Sky strike fighter]

Rather, the Old Man will once again untwist us for our credit.

[Kibl]

This Poland is not a poor "state"? Yes, remove all subsidies and loans from the EU and EVERYTHING, Poland in full Ze.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

can you tell how much subsidies are in percent of gdp?

[Aerodrome]

Poland signed a contract for the supply of 32 F-35A fighters

Hooray ... cho.

[Po-tzan]

Quote: NEXUS

The question is, with whom was she going to fight?

Scary?

[Svarog51]

Scary?

And then? We will be "afraid" for six whole years. And when they arrive ... we turn off the lights in the houses so that they do not notice us.

[purple]

Quote: sir.jonn

Great Britain, the second largest contribution to the budget, leaves the European Union in which Poland eats just as many grandmas. Probably the Poles are in a hurry before restructuring the budget.

Well, I have not seen the contract ... but the deliveries are in 2026 ... The Poles are optimists ... well, or their "ilite" all the same to their people

[Kurare]

The contract value amounted to $ 4,6 billion, ...

The preliminary cost of the order was $ 6,5 billion, but Warsaw apparently managed to lower the cost of the contract during the negotiations.

At least do something, but I do not believe that it was possible to drop the price by almost 30%! Surely, either the Poles gave something, or the Americans did not deliver.

Germany and France are very unhappy with this turn. European money is capitalized, and American products are bought. The largest fifth column in the EU: Poland and the Baltic countries.

[n0001]

Price: 6,5 billion This is the maximum contract value for which you can buy 32 aircraft, as well as 50 engines. This is the upper limit of the entire order. If you do not buy 50 engines, but several, the order will be $ 4,6 billion, similar to Belgium.

[Kurare]

Quote: n0001

If you do not buy 50 engines, but several, the order will be $ 4,6 billion, similar to Belgium.

This is exactly what I wrote: "Surely either the Poles gave something, or the Americans will not deliver it." Those. "managed to reduce the price" it simply means not bought a lot of things. This is not a price reduction, but a change in the volume of supply and, accordingly, a different, lower price.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Kurare

Those. "managed to reduce the price" it simply means not bought a lot of things.

The average unit cost was 143 million 750 thousand ... That with the declared cost of 87 million, not so little "for maintenance."

[Keyser soze]

That with a declared cost of 87 million, not so little "for maintenance."

Eto and training, support, new infrastructure and ammunition. And to us the first batch of F 16 flew into a huge bag. Change everything and go from MiG 29 to Amer aircraft (or vice versa) is godlessly expensive.

If the Turks switch from F35 to Su57 you will see what a huge sum they will pay .... everything needs to be changed ....

[Kurare]

An article on the state of the Polish Air Force and in particular on the purchase of the F-35 was published yesterday in the CAST unofficial blog:
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3923844.htmlhttps://bmpd.livejournal.com/3923844.html
... with which the Poles and congratulations!

[n0001]

The price of the base F 35 is the same for all buyers. Additional elements of weapons, training and spare parts are important. The US Congress can build orders of up to $ 6,5 billion.
Depending on needs and configuration, the final price differs from the upper limit set by the US Congress.

[ROSS_51]

Armament is not included in the price of the contract.

[Romka]

"Listen, here's the grandmother, I want it to be rich." F-35 is a kind of show-off at the state level at the expense of the treasury.

[purple]

Quote: Kurare

At least do something, but I do not believe that it was possible to drop the price by almost 30%! Surely, either the Poles gave something, or the Americans did not deliver.

Yes, they won’t give them money ... Poland simply has the States they want, that's what it means to buy up the elite ...
Poles as people are very similar to us, the same in principle, and the problems too ... and just can not do anything with their power

[Staroshil]

Quote: purple

Quote: Kurare

At least do something, but I do not believe that it was possible to drop the price by almost 30%! Surely, either the Poles gave something, or the Americans did not deliver.

Yes, they won’t give them money ... Poland simply has the States they want, that's what it means to buy up the elite ...
Poles as people are very similar to us, the same in principle, and the problems too ... and just can not do anything with their power

Most likely they make a couple dozen more monuments to the dead Soviet soldiers demolished by bulldozers before the May holidays and EVERYTHING!

[voyaka uh]

"Poles as people are very similar to us, the same in principle" ////
----
This is rightly noticed. Genetically - one people.
But the Poles have no natural resources. This is a plus.
We have to strain and create a modern economy.
And they managed to do it from the 90s.

[_Ugene_]

Poland signed a contract for the supply of 32 F-35A fighters

Well, the Kaliningrad S-400s will feel them from all sides, it’s not forever that they fly with Luneberg lenses

[Thrifty]

So, until 2024, polyahia still needs to exist. The British have left the European Union, the Germans and French are not eager to pull the rest of Europe at their own expense. And, given the fact that Polyakhia also wants to dominate in Europe, but has an economy that is an order of magnitude weaker than that of the French, they will simply not be given new loans now. Having received Ф35, Polyakhia will put them "in the suck, under the fence", because there will not be enough money for service, and spare parts as well as consumables. ...

[n0001]

The order also includes spare parts, engine and many other elements

[Thrifty]

There is one thing, but an airplane is not cheap, you can fly it only under the control of the United States, you can only pray for it on your own. Even the replacement or updating of the stealth coating will be done by specialists from the USA, and the coating is still unstable, and very expensive and unreliable. It seems to be like 5 flights, and it needs to be changed. ..So, the world will quickly go to Polyakhia, with such an airplane.

[n0001]

In such projects, 30% is the first purchase, and 70% is the cost of ownership over the entire life cycle. This is clear to everyone.

[smaug78]

How many "stupid Americans sniffed their flightless penguins to their slaves" and how much Russia sold Su and Mig to progressive mankind during the same period? Americans are good fellows anyway ...

[alavrin]

The usual pay for the loyalty of the satellite state. Now the United States is well done for you, and in 50-100 years they will be remembered by everyone and they will kick everything, and among the former they will be the same Poles, well, the Baltic states, if by that time they will not die out, they will not miss their ...)

[smaug78]

Quote: alavrin

Now the United States is great for you,

Of course, well done, if they are bringing it in, shekels earn money. What is bad, tax deductions, spare parts, repairs, maintenance, etc. What do you disagree with, we do not need to strive for this?
And what they remember - do not care, the main budget is more.

[alavrin]

No, I generally agree with you - only the term "earn" is not accurate. More precisely: Poles pay them for patronage.

[smaug78]

So these are the problems of logs, not their owners

[ShM05]

It’s funny to me when they ask where Poland is going to fight when they buy modern weapons, they ask the same questions when Norway, Finland, Latvia do the same. It’s like adults are sitting on the site, you don’t think that a single European country alone will fight with Russia, there are not stupid people, they are at the call of the owner when it comes time to unite against us all over the place. So count how much will come out only at the border with us f-35, then jokes are not appropriate.

[thinker]

Quote: Cowbra

What about the money, Zin?

As always, all the answers in the original source are

Everything will be financed from the budget of the Ministry of National Defense. Payments must be made to the American side in 2020-2030 ... Including VAT on the cost of deliveries of military equipment to the territory of the Republic of Poland, the value of the contract on the day of signing is 20,7 billion zlotys or $ 5.3 billion.

https://www.defence24.pl/harpia-nowe-szczegoly-kontraktu-na-polskie-f-35

[rocket757]

Hedgehogs want to eat cacti ... they don’t argue about tastes. Have you already stocked with handkerchiefs to wipe your saliva and tears?

[Tarasios]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Poland is not a poor state.

The question is, with whom is she going to fight? If with us, then 300 F-35s will not help her. That is, the conversation goes from the contingent, which is Poland. As a separate state, in terms of military power, Poland is about nothing. Maybe it's time for us to introduce economic sanctions against Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine, for starters? And then the game is something in one gate already fed up.

Whether Poland is going to fight or not, the main thing here is that the United States has made another deal. War and "consumables", which are people, weapons, etc. is a very good business

[Fishery]

rich, decent amount.

[Pavel57]

Arm. After all, Rosstya is already at the borders of NATO.

[IC]

Naive people. Who in the world is buying weapons in order to fight with someone. In most countries with slightly different goals.

[Adimius38]

I'm afraid that Poland will have more 5th generation combat aircraft than Russia at this time

[Alexey Lobanov]

I am afraid that having Russia under the left side, even the 6th generation will not save them. Not 32 f35, not 100 ...
The question is simple, if there is a war with us, there will be no Europe. If you don’t want to fight with us, why do you need a whole rascal? Free money?

[Adimius38]

China has already calculated that Russia will last 3 hours, so think. No, of course, not against Poland alone, but against the United States and NATO, which are already in Poland. Of course, it is up to everyone to believe this or not, but I would not be so sure that everything is rosy and azure with us. And one more such small nuance, Russia has been adhering to a defense strategy for several decades, and this only hides one thing, that we do not have an offensive potential, since an offensive strategy implies the amount of modern weapons many times greater than the amount of weapons a potential enemy has. Under the Soviet Union, we had such a strategy and armament with which we could sweep across EUROPE with a breeze, TAKE EUROPE before the United States pulled up the main forces, and the main US forces were still on the verge of destroying our powerful Soviet submarine and surface fleet and combat aircraft. Now we do not have the USSR, therefore, 32 F-35s on our border is not good. It’s not to be said that this aircraft is advanced and it is not known at all whether our air defense systems see it and at what distance

[pafegosoff]

China is already completely in the cesspool after they were lowered before the whole world by the spread of the virus. Now he is waiting for a new Tiananmen or awakened Hongweibins.
Irichmetics, damn it! How many versus the British or Japanese did they last? The virus is developed in the United States clearly against the Chinese. In the US, there was a leak of information about the development of 10 years ago.

[Ryaruav]

as it is customary to write on the site and where is the money zing

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Ryaruav

as it is customary to write on the site and where is the money zing

Yes, the woman had no grief - she bought a pig! By 2024, the program will be limited to training pilots and purchasing 10 times less number of flyers. There is no money, but Russia does not give it - just as the poor lady does not "ask".

[Gleborg]

The Poles are doing everything right, updating the Air Force is already necessary, and updating it on the most massive fighter of the 5th generation. In the case of a hypothetical conflict, in order to push such an amount of fighters the enemy should have at least three more forces, and even in this case, the Polish Air Force will be able to resist for a long time until the approach of the main NATO forces.
ps the opinion of the mourners on the budget of Poland is not taken into account, as well as the rumors about f35 which are supposedly not a 5 generation elite.

[Oleg Olkha]

Germans: "Die ersten sechs Lfz sollen zwischen 2024 und 2025 abgeliefert werden und für Ausbildungszwecke in den USA verbleiben. Enthalten im Deal sind ua ein Ausbildungszentrum mit 8 Missionssimulatoren, Flupersimulatoren, Flupersimulatoren, Ausbildungszentrum mit 24 missionssimulatoren, Rüststand Block 90. Vertraglich abgesichert ist auch die Nachrüstung von bereits abgelieferten Lfz mit Änderungen, die im Laufe der Produktion einfließen. Eine Besonderheit der polnischen F-4 wird deren den Ausstattung mit einem Bremsch (The first six aircraft are expected to be delivered between 35 and 2024 and remain (temporarily) in the United States for training. The deal includes a training center with 2025 flight simulators, training 8 pilots to flight instructor status and 24 technicians. Poland will receive a variant - "block 90." The modernization of already delivered machines, taking into account the changes made during production, is also provided by the contract. A feature of the Polish F-4 is its equipping with a brake parachute, similar to Norwegian machines.)

[Honduras-m]

Well now for the Poles, for complete happiness you need to steal an aircraft carrier ..))))

[pafegosoff]

Wonderful, let him go into debt with a three-time beaten hat-lackey ...

[Gosha Smirnov]

Well, that's it! The Russian Aerospace Forces can now hang up in general! Even psheks, unlike the "expensive rasiyans", will have a 5th generation aircraft.