The emergence of the Russian production of composites can accelerate the process of import substitution

The emergence of the Russian production of composites can accelerate the process of import substitution

The state of the domestic composite materials industry, as well as the polymer industry closely associated with it, has long become not only a subject for discussion in high offices, but also an Internet meme. The emotional statement by the head of one of the enterprises about what happened at their factory with the production of polymers quite accurately described the state of this industry nationwide. The situation in the composite production closely related to polymers can be characterized in approximately the same way, with the only difference being that the failure in this area was not so deep. By the time the Soviet economy collapsed, the high-carbon fiber industry, or, as they later became known as carbon fiber, took only the first steps. And while in the West, the direction of composite materials was at the peak of its development, domestic industry was concerned with survival issues. Now that composite products are being used more and more widely, the question of “where did the polymers go” is becoming more relevant than ever.


The high-tech composites industry in our country has been virtually destroyed over the past decades. 30 years ago, the main centers for the production of composites were North America, Europe and the USSR. The positions of Europe and the USA over the past decade have been somewhat shaken, including due to the fact that European and American manufacturers themselves moved their production to Asia. At the same time, in China, Japan and other countries of Southeast Asia, their own strong manufacturers appeared. So today the world center for the production of composites is located there.

But what about Russia? In Soviet times, composite plants, suppliers of raw materials and raw materials were scattered across different Union republics. The flagship Soviet composites factory was the Moldavian Moldavisolit in Tiraspol, where all the best technologies, equipment, and specialists flocked. In the 80s, this modern plant at that time provided up to 85% of the demand for dielectrics in the USSR and countries of Eastern Europe. The main products of the plant were materials for the manufacture of printed circuit boards used in electronic equipment. The plant in Tiraspol is still operating, supplying its products, including to Russia. However, the position of the Moldovan enterprise noticeably shook back in the 90s, with the collapse of economic ties between the former Soviet republics. Most of its products are manufactured using Soviet technology.

Even less enviable was the fate of other Soviet manufacturers of composite materials and allied companies manufacturing components: fiberglass, polymer resins, etc. Some of them were redesigned, others just closed. Recently, attempts have been made in various regions of Russia to establish the production of composites and base materials for their manufacture. However, in the vast majority of cases, this is the production of small batches of products most often with the help of Soviet equipment.

Therefore, the Voronezh plant "Lamplex Composite", about the intention to build which the investor first announced about two years ago, can be called the first attempt to establish the production of composites on a serious scale and at a new technological level. Talking about this with a fair amount of confidence can be based on several arguments. Firstly, the project will use the most modern equipment from the German company Aerospace Composites GmbH. In Russia, there is no such equipment anywhere else, and, alas, its own is not produced. Secondly, very influential structures are interested in the implementation of the composite cluster. In particular, the partner of the Lamplex Composite investor in another project was the owner of Reusable Transport Space Systems LLC Sergey Sopov, who previously headed the largest Russian aerospace company S7 Space, which owns the Sea Launch floating spaceport. Now MTKS is developing the first Russian space truck Argo. Especially for this project, MTKS and Voronezh IR Maslovsky (trademark Lamplex Composite) create LLC Aerospace Composite Technologies. Together with the Lamplex composite plant, these enterprises form a whole composite cluster. Thirdly, the cluster being created has already managed to enlist the support of two leading Voronezh universities with competencies in the field of composite materials: Voronezh State University and Voronezh State Technical University. Finally, the investor has already invested more than a billion rubles in the project of only one factory of foil-coated dielectrics, technical laminates and prepregs “Lamplex Composite”. So, as you can see, the stakes are quite high.

What are the chances that composite cluster products will be in demand? Consider this with the example of the first of two enterprises in a composite cluster. Experts estimate the market of only foil dielectrics in Russia at one million square meters per year. Moreover, in the country today they are not produced. According to the CEO of Lamplex Composite, Vyacheslav Kursakov, the enterprise will be able to cover the entire need of domestic enterprises for foil dielectrics and even supply them to foreign markets. However, if we consider composites not as a thing in themselves, but as part of the “puzzle” that makes up the Russian and world economies, then the global meaning of the project is not even in saturating the local market segment, but in its multiplier effect. Do not forget that the start of the production of composites can give an impetus to the development of a number of high-tech industries and create new production chains, often very long and consisting mainly of Russian materials and components.

Composite production is precisely that link in the economy, the restoration of which will have a very serious positive effect. It is easy to predict how the industry can develop from simple to complex. The composites that will be manufactured at the Lamplex Composite plant will be used for the manufacture of printed circuit boards, printed circuit boards, in turn, will become the basis for electronic microcircuits, and the scope of microcircuits is now so wide that it is not possible to describe it briefly. And this is only one direction in which composites are used. But there is also electrical engineering, the production of ultra-light and heavy-duty structures, the scope of which, again, is practically unlimited. But if you go the other way - from complex to simple, then here you can also see a considerable potential for import substitution. For example, for the manufacture of foil-coated dielectrics, these three basic materials are needed: fiberglass, epoxy, and copper foil. And imagine, not one of these components is currently being produced in Russia. Therefore, the Voronezh enterprise will initially purchase them abroad. In the future, it is planned that “Lamplex Composite” will partially produce base materials itself. In addition, it is logical to expect that the start of production of foil dielectrics, technical laminates and prepregs will become an incentive for the creation of other production of basic materials for the composite industry. In the end, the revival of the production of basic materials for composites will develop chemical and mining industries that supply raw materials for the manufacture of these materials. Albeit a small but also positive effect.

But, of course, from all of the above, the most preferred would be the widespread use of domestic composites in the creation of high-tech products of Russian brands. The share of microelectronics in the Russian GDP, according to experts, so far is less than one percent, while in developed countries it can reach its fourth part, the consumption of composite materials per capita in Russia is 15 times less than in developed countries. The reason for this is not only the critical lag of domestic microelectronics from its Western counterparts. It is known that high-tech industries are very sensitive to market conditions. The sharp fluctuations in exchange rates invariably hit Russian enterprises purchasing materials and components abroad. It should be noted that among them are also strategically important states for security. In the case of establishing domestic production of composites in tangible volumes, the country will not only fulfill the task of import substitution in a single narrow segment, but also create the basis for the development of several areas of the economy at once. At the same time, each of them includes many segments and sub-segments, the demand for materials and components in which is still satisfied mainly through imports. In this case, many supposedly "import-substituting" projects will finally become not just designers from imported spare parts, but truly Russian products.
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  1. Same lech 3 February 2020 06: 18 New
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    The high-tech composites industry in our country has been virtually destroyed over the past decades.

    Oh Russia mother that we do not store .... lost crying. fool
    1. Nicholas C. 3 February 2020 07: 58 New
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      Composites, which will be produced at the "Lamplex Composite" plant, will be used for the manufacture of printed circuit boards, printed circuit boards, in turn, will become the basis for electronic circuits, and the scope of microcircuits is now so wide that it is not possible to describe it briefly.
      Who was on whom?
      I hope that the AKP press service had in mind that now in Russia electronic products can be assembled on domestic printed circuit boards, but it was unsuccessfully expressed.
      1. bessmertniy 3 February 2020 08: 36 New
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        Today it is more important not to remember what happened, but to establish the modern production of composites. Anyone who lags behind in this today, betting on the best technology, will be ahead tomorrow.
    2. Thrifty 3 February 2020 11: 43 New
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      Well, yes, on import equipment, the joke is unsuccessful! We, as competitors in high technology, are dangerous and not needed! The Yankees will fall under fictitious sanctions, but without our machines we will continue to sit at a trough! Yesterday we need to restore our machine tool industry, and our production of microchips! Everything should be only OWN! And at least naive and stupid to hope for equipment from the usa! !!!
      1. Genry 3 February 2020 16: 54 New
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        Quote: Thrifty
        The Yankees will fall under fictitious sanctions, but without our machines we will continue to sit at a trough!

        What you can buy (everything is impossible to produce) - you need to buy and not ask too many questions. Tormented with the production of unique equipment that is sold - not worth it.
        The main thing is that domestic production develops towards high technologies and maximum labor productivity, with the greatest involvement of the population.
    3. iouris 3 February 2020 13: 29 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      what we have is not stored ...

      Most likely, in the evening we sell for the ruble, and in the morning we buy three.
  2. 210ox 3 February 2020 06: 20 New
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    Yes, all this is great if they begin to produce composites. If only not as with lithium batteries.
  3. parusnik 3 February 2020 06: 31 New
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    the project will use the most modern equipment from the German company Aerospace Composites GmbH
    ... Favorable for the Germans project, maintenance, supply of spare parts ...
    1. mat-vey 3 February 2020 10: 30 New
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      Well, control for one thing.
  4. svp67 3 February 2020 06: 50 New
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    However, the position of the Moldovan enterprise noticeably shook back in the 90s,
    Now is it "Transnistrian" and yet everything?
    And imagine, not one of these components is currently being produced in Russia. Therefore, the Voronezh enterprise will initially purchase them abroad.
    Forgive me, I really DO NOT UNDERSTAND our leadership, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to solve this problem in a complex at once? That is, now it’s enough to introduce new sanctions on these “components” and finished production, that that SP-2 will “freeze in anticipation”, and there’s a chance that the USA will do this almost 100%.
    1. Reptiloid 3 February 2020 10: 36 New
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      Quote: svp67
      ....... Forgive me, I really DO NOT UNDERSTAND our leadership, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to solve this problem in a complex at once? That is, now it’s enough to introduce new sanctions on these “components” and finished production, that that SP-2 will “freeze in anticipation”, and there’s a chance that the USA will do this almost 100%.
      Well, of course, he will do it, but not immediately, but when there will be maximum investments, when people will be involved, in a word, when there will be a little bit to the finish ....
      This production under the USSR did not arise on its own. There were educational institutions, specialties corresponding both in technical schools and institutes, there were vocational schools. Research institutes, design bureaus, NGOs.
  5. Free wind 3 February 2020 06: 57 New
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    The article is of course advertising, no one is hiding it. I did not even know about the fact that foil fiberglass was made in Moldova. There was also foil-coated getinax; in radio engineering circles he liked it more. Now dielectric conductive tracks are printed with a 3D printer, copper silver, etc., this is done directly in the electronics industry, foil fiberglass is especially not needed in the previous volumes.
    1. rocket757 3 February 2020 07: 29 New
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      Quote: Free Wind
      There was also foil-coated getinax; in radio engineering circles he liked it more.

      To teach young people to solder on a getinax is a disaster! Detachment after the second soldering ... and some managed to "foil" the foil (current leading conductors) once. Textolite, especially of military acceptance, was "patient" in every way.
      1. Free wind 3 February 2020 08: 07 New
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        Why solder a second time? Printed circuit boards made themselves, and at one time. Oh, how I remember how all this was prepared, etching acid, zaponlak. You draw tracks on the foil, drill them later, drill them by the way with broken needles and getinaks drilled easier, that's why I liked them. varnish the tracks, then etching. You watch how copper dissolves, magic. For the sixth grader .... I was very interested. DIY detector assembled by yourself, these voices in the headphones, understanding that you can learn a lot to do yourself !!!!!!!
        1. rocket757 3 February 2020 08: 14 New
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          Quote: Free Wind
          Why solder a second time?

          You yourself wrote that in
          Quote: rocket757
          in radio engineering circles

          and there it is necessary to learn, the first time is unlikely to succeed. To change boards every time for new ones, this could hardly be allowed both then and now. Moreover, it is necessary to properly disassemble the parts, it is also necessary to teach, even installers. Repairmen are required.
          It turns out for everyone in different ways ... to teach soldering for 2-3 seconds is not so simple, but some have not been given.
      2. rudolff 3 February 2020 08: 52 New
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        He also used foil textolite in his youth more often than hetinax. So that the foil does not slip, the tracks were made wider. Etched with ferric chloride.
        1. rocket757 3 February 2020 09: 01 New
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          Everything is correct. They also put rivets-pistons on the training boards! So the life of the board lengthens noticeably.
          And at the expense of the thickness of the conductors, this is only at the very initial stage of training. We need to learn how to solder modern electronic equipment, and there is such a small piece and there’s no getting around it!
          1. rudolff 3 February 2020 09: 07 New
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            Chalk went when the first microcircuits appeared. Before that, it was simpler with transistors.
            1. rocket757 3 February 2020 09: 18 New
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              Yes, it was possible to produce a detector receiver without any boards, but this is in the past. Now without micro electronics anywhere and nothing. If with the prospect of training.
              1. rudolff 3 February 2020 09: 30 New
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                I was a radio amateur, the receivers, transmitters, power eliminators themselves were soldered. It was already impossible to do without microcircuits. Although there were a lot of other things on the lamps. Well, I dabbled in radio-controlled models. The microcircuits were already coming. Well, of course, the chips were not like that. I remember going to 6 electronic circuits. In the 80s. Alone now.
                1. rocket757 3 February 2020 09: 38 New
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                  I educate youth now. You have to start with the basics.
                  You have to move on to the small details quickly, acquire skills, because there is little time for full-fledged training.
                  1. Reptiloid 3 February 2020 10: 46 New
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                    Greetings, comrades. I read the branch. I remembered my childhood and the radio engineering club ... Skills were forgotten, although I still keep soldering irons.
                    Oh, Victor! laughing to join your circle! Here is the chess word! recourse I live far away request sadness.
                    1. rocket757 3 February 2020 11: 10 New
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                      Hi Dmitry soldier
                      Everything has its time and place, of course. Unfortunately, not all parents understand that learning is NECESSARY. Extra knowledge, skills do not happen.
                      An adult can do self-improvement. Of course, if the basis of primary knowledge is available.
                      1. Reptiloid 3 February 2020 11: 14 New
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                        Of course, you can improve yourself good only how to be with an irregular working day? request recently and go to the site less often ....
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Hi Dmitry soldier
                        Everything has its time and place, of course. Unfortunately, not all parents understand that learning is NECESSARY. Extra knowledge, skills do not happen.
                        An adult can do self-improvement. Of course, if the basis of primary knowledge is available.
                      2. rocket757 3 February 2020 12: 02 New
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                        As it turns out, do it.
                        I’ll soon finally retire to retire ... I’ll leave for fishing, for a week, for sure.
                        So I want to do a lot of reconnaissance, take a ride through old places!
                        And affairs, concerns, they will not go anywhere from us ... except that the assistants will grow up and finish what I did not have time to finish!
                        This is normal, it’s just like that.
                      3. Reptiloid 3 February 2020 12: 25 New
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                        Quote: rocket757
                        ..... So you want to do a lot of reconnaissance, take a ride through old places! And things, worries, they won’t go anywhere from us ... except that the helpers will grow up and finish what I didn’t have time to finish! This is normal, it’s just that we live.
                        good Good luck to you and your team, Victor.
                      4. rocket757 3 February 2020 12: 43 New
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                        Thank you.
                        We all success in everything.
  • nikvic46 3 February 2020 07: 11 New
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    I wonder how long we will have import substitution. I have nothing against imports. I just do not import into the military sphere.
    1. Genry 3 February 2020 17: 04 New
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      Quote: nikvic46
      Just do not import into the military sphere.

      If this is not electronics, in which there may be bookmarks, and not constantly breaking garbage, then import is also possible. Those. import without the possibility of poddyanka.
  • rocket757 3 February 2020 07: 24 New
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    Composite production is precisely that link in the economy, the restoration of which will have a very serious positive effect.

    This is true, products are in demand a lot where! It is necessary to do ... although it was necessary to begin to do it FOR LONG time.
    1. Reptiloid 3 February 2020 11: 09 New
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      During my childhood, this Soviet industry was just collapsing under the slogans of improvement and the formation of Mn and SP.
      Relatives graduated from these professions, worked in research institutes, design bureaus, were enthusiastic, proud of the production ..... I had a circle of friends and acquaintances. My grandmother also retired from such an NGO under socialism.
      Quote: rocket757
      Composite production is precisely that link in the economy, the restoration of which will have a very serious positive effect.

      This is true, products are in demand a lot where! It is necessary to do ... although it was necessary to begin to do it FOR LONG time.
      1. rocket757 3 February 2020 11: 58 New
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        Of the enterprises I worked for, only one is normally preserved and is functioning!
        One in full trash, the other is preserved by one third.
        And this is only in our city. This is se la vi.
        1. Reptiloid 3 February 2020 12: 20 New
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          Some enterprises seem to be there, but by their dilapidated appearance ----- the picture is sad. Probably lead to the sale of land and buildings. Technical schools and vocational schools disappeared mainly.
          1. rocket757 3 February 2020 12: 42 New
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            Yes, schools have condensed, everywhere! Now some kind of stirring / recovery is going on, but too many dream of becoming ... bloggers, for example. Not a good trend, who will feed them? Robotization of simple human labor if it happens, then very soon.
            1. Reptiloid 3 February 2020 12: 50 New
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              In my opinion, the bad thing is that few people have a desire to do something with their own hands and do well, it's about youth. And my peers, even at school, someone began to earn extra money in stalls, someone later in small wholesale grocery, the end of the last century, the beginning of the present ....
              1. rocket757 3 February 2020 13: 15 New
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                Any work is good.
                But studying, striving for the best, this should be a vital necessity.
  • K-50 3 February 2020 07: 56 New
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    I don’t know what dirty trick runs along the pipelines in the photo. But, infection, how hard it is to service them under the ceiling !!!
    God forbid you need to cook it or something else, that’s what you look at and sniff from the ceiling! sad
    1. dauria 3 February 2020 12: 17 New
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      I don’t know what dirty trick runs along the pipelines in the photo. But, infection, how hard it is to service them under the ceiling !!!


      This photo can be anything. The basement of an office building or a shopping center is easy. And the pipes are water, sprinkler fire extinguishing systems. On the upper "inhabited" floors, it’s also hidden under a suspended ceiling.
      It doesn’t look like any shop, even a shop of a wine-vodka factory. So, the landscape of cables in boxes and pipes of modern installation techniques.
      And "God forbid you need to cook ..." - this is necessary when tenants begin to divide the territory and remodel it for themselves.
  • Carib 3 February 2020 07: 57 New
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    Microcircuits are not made from composites, microcircuits are made from silicon, which we buy by the way. Boards are made of foil fiberglass. And there are also boards for RF from fluoropolymers reinforced with fiberglass, fiberglass, by the way, we also buy it seems.
    Fiberglass and fiberglass as they did and are doing, though I don’t know where. Fiberglass water pipes are made of them in Perm. And before, fiberglass boats and boats were made. And something else military most likely. Yes, and the resin in Perm was cooked for this. Last year, the plant was closed, apparently to build a new one. And more to your beloved ones ...
  • rudolff 3 February 2020 08: 55 New
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    "... fiberglass, epoxy and copper foil. And imagine, not one of these components is being produced in Russia now."
    I'm a little shocked. If this is true ... I didn’t think we were in such a deep per rectum!
    1. Xenofont 3 February 2020 10: 40 New
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      There are hundreds or thousands of types of resins and they all have their purpose. This is our problem, in particular, use in high-tech products such as the black wing.
      1. Genry 3 February 2020 17: 09 New
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        Quote: Xenofont
        our problem, in particular, is the use in high-tech products, such as the black wing.

        Now the problem is only with the postponement due to certification for your materials.
        1. Xenofont 3 February 2020 17: 11 New
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          God forbid, as they say ... It seems that Rosatom was going to help, but did not find any specifics.
    2. dauria 3 February 2020 12: 33 New
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      I'm a little shocked. If it's true ...


      “While the global growth trend in the composite materials market identified ED-20 and ED-22 as the supply vector for diane epoxies, polymer production in Russia began to decline rapidly. The regression began in 2004, when enterprises such as Ufahimprom (Ufa), Avangard (Safonovo), Pigment (St. Petersburg), Sterlitamak Petrochemical Plant (Sterlitamak), Usoliekhimprom (Usolye Sibirsky), Kotovsky Paint and Varnish Plant (Kotovsk) and “ Kotlas Plant ”(Kotlas). Some of these enterprises stopped not only the production of epoxy, but also the production of one of the components - epichlorohydrin.

      Today, approximately half of the total volume of this ingredient is imported from Europe and China. Only one Russian manufacturer was able to survive the crisis - the plant named after Y. M. Sverdlov (Dzerzhinsk), producing resins of the brand ED-20 and ED-16. "
      https://practeco.ru/vidy/rossijskie-proizvoditeli-epoksidki.html

      For myself (for home, for family) I take only our Dzerzhinsky EDF. Fortunately, the plant is nearby. Imported either expensive, or capricious bullshit.
  • rudolff 3 February 2020 09: 03 New
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    I remember long ago Solomonov, who was an academician, talked about problems in rocket science. He said that more than 200 missile-building technologies were irretrievably lost. And among other things, he complained that there was no carbon fiber production left in Russia, that there was nothing to rocket missiles from. Honestly, I thought that since then this problem has been radically solved. After the sanctions, it became clear that Nicherta had not decided anything. Stupidly bought over the hill.
  • VicktorVR 3 February 2020 09: 11 New
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    Judging by the article, then again the cart is in front of the horse :(
    Demand is primary. Why is this plant needed if there is no demand for its products?
    The word import substitution itself implies the presence of demand, which is currently satisfied by imports. To build a plant in the expectation that out of the blue "in the open field" there will appear production-consumers of its products - a kindergarten. It just can't be. Once they are being built, it means that there is already a firm belief that production will be at least profitable.
    1. Engineer 4 February 2020 12: 29 New
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      To build a plant in the expectation that out of the blue "in the open field" there will appear production-consumers of its products - a kindergarten. It just can't be.

      It can not just be the realities of modern Russia. “Supply creates demand” have you heard of this? I heard, including personally from one of the top managers of Rusnano.
      The mechanism is as follows. A global trend is taken, showing the growth of something. Predictions about even greater growth rates of this something are taken. The most optimistic forecasts are selected. And the conclusion is made: in order to ensure the technological development of Russia, it is necessary to build the largest plant in the world / Europe for the production of this something. We pull the ears about the competitive advantages and the “ta da” concept is ready. We are writing a business plan without even bothering with the marketing component (how to enter the market, which product concepts to adopt, etc.). Everyone is interested.
      The result is the world's most unique battery-type factories in Novosibirsk, which suddenly no one outside of Russia needs (in the concept of the project, China was laid down as the main consumer, but when built, China already provided for itself and was preparing for expansion). Or the largest flexible electronics factory. (while they were looking for technology cases, competitors learned to make flexible electronics on the same E-ink, etc.). What to do, shrug, say, it didn’t work out but we are not to blame, this is the market situation and the one who doesn’t make mistakes at all.
      And you say the demand is primary. In Russia, definitely not. At least when planning industrial development. Own market is very small. Military orders are so-so fun. We will not be allowed to enter the foreign market due to sanctions. The vicious circle has closed.
      1. CommanderDIVA 8 February 2020 09: 09 New
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        All your comments are in color, no development strategy, everything was done in Russian, without a detailed analysis and forecast of market development in a particular business sector, which incurs losses for the budget (for example, our mega-projects), and it is mandatory to introduce at the state level and levels below analytical expertise of the proposed solutions is not enough brains, in the whole civilized world this is called strategic consulting, but we have our own way, we can’t hire an office from around the world-famous hill, we just recently changed the head of the analytical department of the presidential administration of Russia, I hope that it can they will finally begin to seriously engage in analytics in the country, then there will be no such failures in the economy, social sphere and other areas
        1. Engineer 8 February 2020 11: 03 New
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          So the most interesting thing is that there is a formal examination. Both technical and business expertise. At various levels, from business incubators to federal targeted programs. To make a definite conclusion why this does not work, I will not undertake. But does not work.
          1. CommanderDIVA 8 February 2020 15: 25 New
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            It's simple, there are no sensible analysts in the civil sector, and those universities that prepare them themselves have no idea what strategic analysis is, and the reports are adjusted to allocate state budget money for cutting another business megaproject, whether the project will or will not continue to work is not important, money it’s spent, in analytics in the civilian sector we lose to our partners in the West in the dry, money goes mostly to private investors, and the capitalist will take away the extra skin for every cent
            1. Engineer 8 February 2020 16: 41 New
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              there are no sensible analysts in the civilian sector

              Do you think the military sector is better? (this is a question, not rhetoric)
              It seemed to me that the best analysts in our banking sector are simply because the salaries there are the largest.
  • Xenofont 3 February 2020 10: 35 New
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    What is the point of talking about composites if you do not have your own prepregs, which is the result of the “work” of a citizen (defendant?) Of “Chubaki”. How many years have passed since the creation of Medvedev's “washing” Nano-poppies and where are the results?
    1. Mikhail3 3 February 2020 12: 30 New
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      There is a factory for the production of lithium batteries. At the price of spacecraft, not a single one has yet been sold. All is well, beautiful marquise ...
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    DRM 3 February 2020 10: 51 New
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    I studied in a class with a "chemical bias" and on the CPC (who remembers what it is), I did practice at the Physicochemical Institute named after Bogatsky. So for the first time I saw liquid crystal thermometers (instantly displaying body temperature) back in 1984 !! Then all sawed "western partners."
  • Mikhail3 3 February 2020 12: 26 New
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    Over the next month, hell will begin in all this "Russian import substitution". Since it consists of either re-gluing Chinese tags, or a large-block assembly of Chinese components, or stirring Chinese components in a dirty barrel with a shovel. Including this "success of Russian industry."
    Due to the fact that European industry is also considered to be all tied to China, components cannot be bought and are ten times more expensive. But now we will not see such bravura articles for a long time ... as well as cheap goods. I advise you to get ready.
  • Operator 3 February 2020 12: 32 New
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    What kind of alarmism - domestic rocket science since the 1980s has used the best solid-state solid-propellant rocket hulls in the world, continues to be used.

    The cluster in Voronezh is primarily intended for the other - the production of carbon fiber at the world level of strength for the manufacture of airframes for airplanes, helicopters, propellers, gas turbine engines and, in part, rocket bodies.
    1. Mikhail3 4 February 2020 11: 09 New
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      The beauty. True, the factory known to me, which manufactures hulls and fairings of solid propellant rocket engines barked back in the 90s, and never came to life. And earlier in that town, even the roofs of the bus stops were from defective fairings. Such a peculiar urban chic. True, the best in the world consisted of fiberglass mat and epoxy ... However, these are all the details, right? And so everything is fine and wonderful ...
  • Pashhenko Nikolay 3 February 2020 14: 22 New
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    Unfortunately, composite materials are much more than foil-coated getinaks and textolite. But if they aren’t being produced now, then everything is sad.
  • rica1952 3 February 2020 20: 32 New
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    By the time of the collapse of the USSR, domestic production of carbon materials had a wide range of materials and technologies not inferior to foreign ones in their characteristics. But after the arrival of effective managers, everything was destroyed and destroyed. So the author does not own the material.
  • Aviator_ 3 February 2020 22: 58 New
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    the partner of the Lamplex Composite investor in another project was Sergey Sopov, the owner of Reusable Transport Space Systems LLC, who previously headed the largest Russian aerospace company S7 Space, which owns the Sea Launch floating spaceport.

    This fact is very alarming. And what success has this floating spaceport during the leadership of this "effective manager"?
  • Viktor Sergeev 4 February 2020 08: 22 New
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    Glory to the sanctions, even though they gradually make us think and do, we are a strange people, until they give us no scratch on the pendal.
  • Operator 4 February 2020 12: 39 New
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    Quote: Mikhail3
    consisted of fiberglass mat and epoxy

    The cocoons of the solid propellant solid propellant rocket hulls of the Soviet ballistic missile R-39 were made from organoplastics "CBM aramid fiber + epoxy resin mixture
    http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-671.html

    The same applies to the Russian Yars ICBMs and Bulava SLBMs.