Cliff coastal missile system in Crimea may be re-equipped with new missiles

The modernization of the Utes cliff coastal missile complex (DBK) in Crimea is quite possible, Reutovskoye NPO Mashinostroeniya is ready to carry out work to improve the complex, TASS reports with reference to the Director General - General Designer of the enterprise Alexander Leonov.

We have carried out the restoration of Utes cliff, and now we are constantly engaged in maintaining the complex in working condition. As for the re-equipment, it all depends on the plans of the Ministry of Defense. When such a task is set for us, NPO Mashinostroeniya will fulfill it

- he said.

Leonov said earlier that after the restoration of the complex, the issue of re-equipping the Utes rocket launcher with other missiles was considered, but a final decision on this has not yet been made.

The Cliff coastal missile system (during the years of the USSR, Object-100, or “weaving”) was created in 1957 in the area of ​​Cape Ayia. The complex, consisting of two divisions, handed over to the Ukrainian Navy after the collapse of the USSR, fell into decay: one division was mothballed, the second completely fell into the sky. Restoration work began in 2014 immediately after the reunification of the peninsula with Russia. Cliff’s readiness to protect the Crimean coast was confirmed by successful missile launches during the exercises.

The Utes rocket complex created in Soviet times is equipped with P-35 cruise anti-ship missiles with a firing range of up to 300 km, and since 1982 a modification of this missile with an increased Progress range. However, these missiles are already outdated and the question arose about the need to re-equip the complex with modern weapons.

The flight range of the anti-ship missile Progress is up to 460 km. The Cliff complex is also used to launch target missiles.

Comments

[Thrifty]

New missiles are good, most importantly, the range of missiles to cover the largest possible area. ..

[Boris Chernikov]

there are few options, either to upgrade the old trash, or to put VPU under Caliber / Onyx and potentially under Zircon

[Warrior-80]

They have good range, it’s bad that they are sound, without maneuvering an easy target for enemy air defenses, it’s necessary to change uniquely otherwise they will be targets not only for our warriors but also for the warriors of the enemy

[rocket757]

The time has come ... the main thing is to replace what!

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: rocket757

The time has come ... the main thing is to replace what!

Read attentively!

P-35 with a firing range of up to 300 km, and since 1982 a modification of this extended-range missile "Progress". However, these missiles are already outdated.

We need a new development and a new rocket.

[rocket757]

And what, have you decided directly what to replace?

however, a final decision on this has not yet been made.

suitable rockets will be, it’s not right tomorrow.

[210ox]

What's wrong with "Dagger" by the way?

[Gray brother]

Quote: 210ox

What's wrong with "Dagger" by the way?

The fact that it is an aviation complex. Then the "Zircon", but the launchers will have to be changed - instead of "double-barreled" vertical shafts to put and not the fact that it will be possible to do it normally - the object is sharpened for other equipment.
"Ball" shove there? So there missiles have a shorter range - this will be a step back.
It is better to modernize the KMK missiles from the "Redoubt", it is still removed from service and it is more rational than letting them into the scrap, there are such hefty "logs" that they still cannot be adapted anywhere anymore.
Just hellish fucking.

[bayard]

Quote: Gray Brother

The fact that it is an aviation complex. Then the "Zircon", but the launchers will have to be changed - instead of "double-barreled" vertical shafts to put and not the fact that it will be possible to do it normally - the object is sharpened for other equipment.

Yes, there is no special technical complexity with the alteration, on the contrary - the system will be simplified. It is much easier to put a PU from "Onyx" or "Zircon" on a rail cart and roll it out on rails from under the mountain along a tunnel to the launch pad than to operate the complex in its present form. And the ammunition load will multiply - on one launcher, you can put from 4 to 6 missiles in containers. And prelaunch preparation will be simplified.
It is simply stupid to use such a grandiose complex with anti-nuclear protection and an autonomous survival system to launch air targets or completely outdated missiles at ships. Indeed, in the case of rearmament on the Zircon, such complexes would become multifunctional and could strike at stationary targets on land with missiles with special. Warhead. Moreover, it should be applied repeatedly, recharging under the canopy of an anti-nuclear bunker inside the mountain.
An engineering infrastructure of such a degree of security and perfection should not turn into museums or shelters for "stalkers" / diggers, but serve for the safety of the beloved Motherland.

[Warrior-80]

As far as I know, the Dagger has a direct-flow hyper-jet engine, why do you think it starts with the MIG-31, you need acceleration for the engine to work, and here is a stationary complex

[alexmach]

A new rocket is definitely not needed. There are Onyxes. Another question is how rationally invested in a stationary object with coordinates known to all. Isn’t it better to buy a mobile complex .. On the other hand, where is the mountain there is another question to go to this complex.

[bayard]

Quote: alexmach

how rational it is to invest in a stationary object with coordinates known to all. Isn’t it better to buy a mobile complex .. On the other hand, where is the mountain there is another question to go to this complex.

Investing in the creation (!) Of a highly protected stationary complex is definitely not necessary. But to take advantage of what our wise and skillful ancestors built - God himself commanded. The complex is able to survive a nuclear strike with tactical ammunition and continue the battle. He is capable of repeating volleys many times until the ammunition is exhausted or all (!) Of its launching positions are completely disabled.
The fact that its coordinates are known does not make it much easier to remove it from the battle (defense, I repeat, anti-nuclear, the complex is in a bunker deep in the mountains, and even the launching pads / positions themselves are covered from above by a powerful and massive retractable roof). Moreover, his positions will be reliably and layered under cover by means of air defense and combat aircraft. The Crimea, where these complexes are located, has today been turned into a powerful fortified area and it’s unlikely to be allowed to dig up the mountain with impunity today.

[alexmach]

Is he capable of withstanding the atomic bomb? and anti-bunker, one that deliberately goes deep before the explosion?

When it was secret, it was one thing, but when American friends climbed and measured it up and down .. well, I don’t know. Needless to say, you are right that to upgrade existing is not a new build.

[bayard]

Quote: alexmach

Is he capable of withstanding the atomic bomb?

I relied on it.

Quote: alexmach

and anti-bunker, one that deliberately goes deep before the explosion?

So it’s not in the open field. In Crimea .
To protect from air, especially from a bomb ... especially from anti-bunker, there are air defense systems in all their variety, including fighter aircraft and Fleet air defense systems.
To uncover the mountain itself, it’s oh how you have to try - to break through / crush all the echelons of air defense, to get in, get in exactly with the ammunition that can do harm, irreparable harm. And there are two such complexes in the Crimea. And each has several protected launching positions.
If you beat uphill, this is a very difficult task in the conditions of the Crimea fortified area, if on launching sites, then they are also protected, can be restored after an impact and there are several of them in each complex.
You understand, when the exchange of nuclear strikes begins, the airbases and missile bases of the enemy are carried out in the first place by all cash. And this is a radius of at least 2500 km at the first exchange, and long-range aviation will increase the depth of stripping even more. In such conditions, a highly protected object is much more likely to survive and continue combat work than, say, a mobile one, which also has basing places and reserve positions known to the enemy. And in real life - whoever survives will continue the war. Until victory or to its glorious end.
And of course you need to have everything, acquire and use it in a complex - stationary highly protected, mobile unpaved, sea and air. And all for the sake of security and victory in a very likely war.
Such is modern life.

[Sapsan136]

So there’s a suitable one .. Onyx-M ... Range 800 km ... Just pulls ..

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Mavrikiy

We need a new development and a new rocket.

What for? Throw out the "Cliff" launcher with their lifting mechanism, and put 3С14 into the vacated mine. Leave the covers over the mines - let them protect the UVP, moving apart only during firing.

[bayard]

And how to recharge these UVP? In combat conditions?
Outside? Tighten the crane, vehicles? And access roads and shunting areas are provided there?
Isn't it easier and safer to roll out PU from the depths of the mountain on rail carts? They shot, rolled, re-armed and rolled out again for a volley. All ammunition in the depths of the mountain is under reliable protection even from TNW, and on a launcher on a rail cart, you can place from 4 to 6 and even 8 launch containers, even Onyx or Zircon.
And such a complex will be able to strike not only against ships, but also against ground targets.
Repeatedly.
Recharging in the depths of the mountain, waiting for another blow there and rolling out the launcher to that launch pad / position that has not suffered or is already brought into combat readiness after the strike.
And all this under the reliable cover of air defense systems and basic aviation of the Crimea fortified area.
On the launch pad, in fact, only rails for rolling out the cart with PU are needed. If the site is damaged, it will be necessary to restore a small rail section and free the site from debris. While one site is being restored after a strike, volleys are made from surviving and combat-ready platforms. And so on until the BC is completely exhausted, all launching sites are disabled (with the impossibility of restoration), or until the final victory. At the same time, all internal communications of the complex have every chance to survive / survive, even in full conditions, including nuclear war, because the nuclear weapons can withstand its designs - for this they were created.

[vvvjak]

I wonder what the stars on the cover of the complex mean?

[AVA77]

The number of successful launches.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: vvvjak

I wonder what the stars on the cover of the complex mean?

number of targets released.

[vvvjak]

Quote: Mavrikiy

number of targets released.

For marine and land defense systems?

[loki565]

Yes, the complex is already outdated, but it is quite suitable for simulating the CD.

[Gray brother]

Quote: loki565

Yes, the complex is already outdated, but it is quite suitable for simulating the CD.

Yes, from it the coast of Turkey can be fired.

[Spektr]

Probably the number of targets hit (even on exercises - this is my guess).

[Mavrikiy]

Cliff coastal missile system in Crimea may be re-equipped with new missiles

Do you have rockets?

As for re-equipment, it all depends on the plans of the Ministry of Defense. When such a task is assigned to us, NPO Mashinostroyenia will fulfill it

So everyone dreams that they are assigned a task, any ..

"Progress". However, these missiles are already outdated and the question arose of the need to re-equip the complex with modern weapons.

There is no rocket, but if, then of course. The news is nonsense.

[cost]

The complex included: MRSC-1 (Success-U), Mys radar with the Password identification system, control system, launchers, P-35 missiles, and a complex of ground-based equipment. The Utes control system was created at NII-303, and the mid-flight turbojet rocket engine was developed at OKB-300. At Cape Aia, the second division of the 1964nd Special Operations Division was the first to retool in 362. The main technical solutions for the Utes complex differed significantly from those previously implemented for the Strela complex, the launchers of which were extended horizontally from the rock adits. For Utes, rotary two-container units with a mass of more than 30 tons were adopted, which were located in mines with a depth of 20 m, and before launch they were raised to a height of 6 m above the surface. Immediately before the launch, the containers with missiles were displayed at an angle of 15 °. All the main facilities of the complexes were located in reinforced concrete structures buried in rocky soil. In them, during the prelaunch process, missiles were checked and refueled. In the process of an engine race, immediately before launch, directly at the launcher (as in the ship’s SM-70), rocket refueling was carried out, which

[LiSiCyn]

In the first photo, the entrance to the Balaklava Bay is clearly visible. On the other side, the remains of the 30th battery.

This is a view from the other side. Roughly to my right in the photo.

[Sailor]

During my service, we on MT stood there at the "point" and guarded from the sea.

[LiSiCyn]

"Awesome" places !!! I just fell in love with the Crimea!

[Sailor]

Crimea for me is 3 years of youth and love for life!

[Hermit21]

"Onyx", "Zircon" at your service

[g1v2]

Missiles to choose from - at least cheap x35, even onyxes. All that the Ball and Bastion complexes shoot at can be set into the Cliff.

[sergo1914]

What stylish things they did then.
PS Kildinsky complex are not going to reanimate?

[Barracuda 148]

Kildinsky is no longer resuscitated. There is nothing there.

[Sapsan136]

So much the easier. All the wreckage of the previous complex in scrap metal, and in its place put a new one with anti-ship missiles Onix-M, whose range is 800 km

[Zhan]

I wonder what kind of missiles rearm? I look at the configuration of the P-35, P-500, P-1000, almost identical. I think the P-1000 is the most suitable option. Although if you think about it, you can dismantle the old launcher and put the launcher of the vertical start of the UKKS. Moreover, the installation is lifting, and on top of the armor plate is closed. In general, I think, there will be many variations on this subject ...

[Sky strike fighter]

The problem is that the P-1000 RCC Volcano is no longer produced. Unless they deliver the RCC Onyx-M with a range of 800 km, it is the P-800. The launcher can be set identical to the one that are on the coastal anti-ship complex Bastion.

[Zhan]

Well, as an option, yes I agree. I just as an engineer with experience begin to work out all kinds of options .. This business is interesting and very useful. And then such an interesting project loomed, someone will be lucky to throw fruitful and large-scale gray matter ..

[huntsman650]

An even bigger problem with the starting engines ((((. As you can see in the video, the starter falls off and the marching turns on. The new missiles do not have it, it seems))))

[meandr51]

It is not clear from the article whether the canned complex will be modernized or both? I was on the ruined a couple of years ago. It’s easier to build a new one ...

[Zhan]

Quote: meandr51

It is not clear from the article whether the canned complex will be modernized or both? I was on the ruined a couple of years ago. It’s easier to build a new one ...

Anti-ship coastal missile system "Utyos" Kildin Island
There is a complete kaput. Although, if desired, there are underground rooms and storage facilities, the walls are like solid, solid. With proper funding and a competent approach, it is possible to carry out a reconstruction.
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[rumpeljschtizhen]

This is a stationary complex ... With a predetermined location .... does it make sense to modernize it? Although they are underground ...

[Sapsan136]

The range of the Utes complex is 460 km and if it is changed, it is most reasonable to replace it with Onyx-M missiles with a range of 800 km ...

[rosomaha]

infa about the possible modernization of this complex has been going on already since 2015 .... NOOOO so that they start to do something there - alas, so far nothing! It’s time to decide!

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Thrifty

New missiles are good, most importantly, the range of missiles to cover the largest possible area. ..

The main thing is accuracy. And the approach to the goal on hypersound. Other gifts can cover Bulgaria.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: rumpeljschtizhen

This is a stationary complex ... With a predetermined location .... does it make sense to modernize it? Although they are underground ...

We need such ones. You will tear on your Lada, knowing that ahead of the pillar? If in your mind and mind? Normal put the cardboard policeman in sight, and he fulfills his role - disciplines. And q iota hide, making loot on the violators. I prefer to put it in sight. And protect the air defense / missile defense system.

[garri-lin]

It is logical to put universal PU there. Like the one on the ships. And outfit depending on the situation. Gauges are now possible too. Contract kayuk. In essence, this complex is like a demonstration of a flag. His vitality against a strong opponent is near-zero. But he can add to the atmosphere like Iskander in Kaliningrad. Muscle sparkle. So you need to make it as versatile as possible.

[svp67]

I don’t understand, but why "MAY BE RE-EQUIPPED"? And for what purpose was this complex restored? If in order to create a functioning museum, then yes, nothing needs to be touched, and if in order to revive a combat unit, then the modernization process must go on constantly.

[Old26]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Read attentively!

P-35 with a firing range of up to 300 km, and since 1982 a modification of this extended-range missile "Progress". However, these missiles are already outdated.

We need a new development and a new rocket.

And "Onyx" does not suit you anymore ???

Quote: Gray Brother

It is better to modernize the KMK missiles from the "Redoubt", it is still removed from service and it is more rational than letting them into the scrap, there are such hefty "logs" that they still cannot be adapted anywhere anymore.

And how much will this upgrade result in TWO launchers? The rockets will just go gold

Quote: alexmach

A new rocket is definitely not needed. There are Onyxes. Another question is how rationally invested in a stationary object with coordinates known to all. Isn’t it better to buy a mobile complex .. On the other hand, where is the mountain there is another question to go to this complex.

This facility (division) is part of the 15th coastal missile brigade. The third division of this brigade can be made using the stationary Bastion complex. Alteration will be required, of course, but it's still better if the brigade's missile range decreases

Quote: Sapsan136

So there’s a suitable one .. Onyx-M ... Range 800 km ... Just pulls ..

Not yet. Development has only recently begun.

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

The problem is that the P-1000 RCC Volcano is no longer produced. Unless they deliver the RCC Onyx-M with a range of 800 km, it is the P-800. The launcher can be set identical to the one that are on the coastal anti-ship complex Bastion.

The P-800 index belongs to the 3K55 Onyx complex. The Onyx-M missile is not yet available. Only last year, work began on this version, and when it is ready - KhZ, It is possible that the Zircon will be adopted earlier than Onyx-M will be brought to the series

Quote: huntsman650

An even bigger problem with the starting engines ((((. As you can see in the video, the starter falls off and the marching turns on. The new missiles do not have it, it seems))))

Who doesn't? Have Onyx, Caliber or the promising Zircon? everyone has

Quote: meandr51

It is not clear from the article whether the canned complex will be modernized or both? I was on the ruined a couple of years ago. It’s easier to build a new one ...

You yourself answered the question. There is no sense in restoring the ruins. But "acting" - it can be upgraded. Make either a stationary complex "Bastion-S" or use a really vertical 3C-14

Quote: Victor March 47

The main thing is accuracy. And the approach to the goal on hypersound. Other gifts can cover Bulgaria.

But besides hypersound - can you imagine anything else? For example a supersonic rocket? Varna is 470 km, Istanbul is 530 km.
Zircon should start, accelerate to a speed of 9M, and climb to a height of 40 km. How much time will it take? Half a minute, a minute? Then flight for 1-2 minutes, diving with braking. Is it cheaper to use something cheaper than such an expensive rocket ???

[Old26]

Quote: Warrior-80

As far as I know, the Dagger has a direct-flow hyper-jet engine, why do you think it starts with the MIG-31, you need acceleration for the engine to work, and here is a stationary complex

Unfortunately, I must admit that you do not know. The "Dagger" has the usual rocket engineand not some ramjet hyper jet engine. At least the name of the engine would be spelled correctly - ramjet hypersonic jet engine

Quote: Warrior-80

They have good range, it’s bad that they are sound, without maneuvering an easy target for enemy air defenses, it’s necessary to change uniquely otherwise they will be targets not only for our warriors but also for the warriors of the enemy

What kind of missile turns out to be subsonic and without maneuvering? Really 3M44 "Progress", which was on the "Cliff" ??? Has the speed of 1250 km / h already become subsonic?

[Old26]

Quote: lvov_aleksey

There was progress, even Vika will tell you, but 1250 is conditional, the speed of sound depends on the medium, ideally 1200 with a penny.

And what did I write? That there was something else standing there? First, there was the P-35 complex, then the P-10 Progress complex.
The speed of sound depends on both temperature and height above the surface. But in any case, the speed of the "Progress" was supersonic, albeit not much more than 1M

Quote: lvov_aleksey

Hello everyone, speed depends on the medium, but in theory 1235 km / h.

In the calculations, a standard atmosphere is used. And there, at a height of 0 and a temperature of 15 ° C, the speed of sound is 340,3 m / s, which is 1225 km / h.