DEPL "Stary Oskol" Black Sea Fleet got up for scheduled repairs in Kronstadt

Black Sea diesel-electric submarine fleet "Stary Oskol" project 636.3 (code "Varshavyanka") got up for scheduled repairs at the Kronstadt Marine Plant. This was reported by the press service of the Black Sea Fleet.

According to the report, the submarine made an inter-naval transition to the Baltic Sea immediately after completing tasks as part of the permanent operational formation of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean Sea. Currently, the same type of diesel-electric submarine "Krasnodar" is serving off the coast of Syria, which is also preparing for scheduled repairs. It is estimated that Krasnodar will be repaired immediately after Stary Oskol.

It is noted that the submarine "Stary Oskol" will carry out repairs for at least 4 months, after which, most likely, it will return to combat duty in the Mediterranean Sea.

Last May, it was reported that the Stary Oskol and Krasnodar diesel-electric submarines will undergo scheduled repairs at the end of 2020. In October 2019, the media reported that the repair will be carried out at enterprises in the north-west of Russia.

The diesel-electric submarine "Stary Oskol" is the third in a series of six submarines of the 636.3 project built for the Black Sea Fleet at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg. It was tested in polar conditions in the Northern Fleet, after which in 2016 it made an inter-fleet transition from the Polar to Novorossiysk, after which it was introduced into the Black Sea Fleet.

The submarines of the 636.3 project are designed to combat enemy submarines and surface ships, as well as for the defense of naval bases, sea and coastal communications.

Comments

[Thrifty]

They need to be repaired at the place of registration, in the Crimea! It is good that the boats were not built in the Far East, or else they could drive for repairs to Vladivostok, for example, from Sevastopol. ...

[lucul]

They need to be repaired at the place of registration, in the Crimea!

Who said that there will be repairs)))
Most likely they will put new weapons ....
For 4 months in Russia, repairs are not done)))

[Thrifty]

The ships have been under repair for years! Sometimes, and without repair they quietly die "in anticipation of impossible miracles", that is, the same repair, or God forbid, modernization. ...

[maidan.izrailovich]

For years, ships are under repair!

These are very ancient. And then a new boat.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Who said that there will be repairs)))
Most likely they will put new weapons ....
For 4 months in Russia, repairs are not done)))

Most likely it is. Novye boat. July 3, 2015 taken into combat fleet.

[Arseny]

The usual planned docking and nothing thereof. Every three or four years, the procedure is mandatory for all ships. On boats, they usually check the batteries there. The usual procedure.

[Pavel57]

It is possible to repair in the Crimea, but then they will not be able to enter the Mediterranean Sea by agreement of Montreux.

[venik]

Quote: Pavel57

It is possible to repair in the Crimea, but then they will not be able to enter the Mediterranean Sea by agreement of Montreux.

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I don’t understand ...... WHAT DOES the Montreux Convention ??? WHERE is it said that ships built or repaired at the Black Sea factories CANNOT pass through the Straits ?????
PS Some nonsense!

[Pavel57]

Read carefully the text of the Montreux Convention, then you will say what is nonsense and what is not.

Article 12, the text is on the net.

[Alexander Suvorov]

Pavel57 (Gf)
Read carefully the text of the Montreux Convention, then you will say what is nonsense and what is not.
Article 12, the text is on the net.

I’m not too lazy, I read it. And where is it that the boat must be repaired at the factory ?!

Article 12
The coastal powers to the Black Sea will have the right to navigate through the Straits, in order to return to their base, their submarines built or bought outside this sea, if Turkey has been notified in advance of the tab or purchase.

Submarines belonging to these Powers can likewise pass through the Straits for repair at shipyards located outside this sea, provided that accurate data on this matter will be given to Turkey.

In either case, the submarines will have to swim during the day and, moreover, on the surface and pass through the Straits alone.

[Pavel57]

Submarines belonging to these Powers can likewise pass through the Straits for repair at shipyards located outside this sea, provided that accurate data on this matter will be given to Turkey.

This paragraph regulates the exit from the Black Sea. for this you need to send them for repair outside the Black Sea.

[g1v2]

Repairs of Black Sea submarines are fake. The reason is the Montreux convention. Black Sea Fleet submarines can leave the World Cup only for repairs outside of it. But Tartus must be guarded and patrolled in the eastern Mediterranean. Therefore, the submarines go out for repairs, they patrol for several months. and then go to Peter. In St. Petersburg they are painted, they will be inspected and minor works. And then the submarines go to the World Cup again. Or go to St. Petersburg first. and then patrol off the coast of Syria. We have only 7 submarines in the Black Sea Fleet. Moreover, one has been modernized since 14 years old. The remaining 6 PM periodically leave for "repair", that is, to guard Tartus.

[Pavel57]

Alrosa will not return to the Black Sea Fleet, so only 6 boats.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Thrifty

They need to be repaired at the place of registration, in the Crimea! It is good that the boats were not built in the Far East, or else they could drive for repairs to Vladivostok, for example, from Sevastopol. ...

What stupid thing?
Work should always be carried out where there is good equipment, materials and personnel. Equally important is the availability of free space not occupied by other work. And it can be both Vladivostok and Peter.
Do you most of all repair your TV at home, or drag it to a specialized enterprise, where there is everything?

[Thrifty]

Victor March47 - I don’t remember that I drank with you on the Brudershaft, or where we fought together! Poke an unfamiliar sign of rudeness! In any work, the main thing is the availability of a workable workforce, in the first place.

[knn54]

Victor. Diesel submarine "Novorossiysk" returning, after repairs. Was forced to replenish fuel and provisions in Ceuta. In a state that is a member of NATO. And next to the British Giblartar. “Varshavyanka can stay under water for no more than three days. And if problems arise, the only hope is for Crimea.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Victor March 47

Work should always be carried out where there is good equipment, materials and personnel.

Well, what kind of "unique equipment" is there in Kronstadt, which cannot be installed at the Crimean shipyard and shipyard? We are talking about the possibility of repairing any ships in the Crimea. This is a necessity, not a whim.

Quote: Victor March 47

Do you most of all repair your TV at home, or drag it to a specialized enterprise, where there is everything?

Of course in a television studio. But this does not mean that it needs to be transported across the country for repairs.

[Subtext]

Sorry. It would be better on Zvezdochka in Severodvinsk

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Thrifty

Victor March47 - I don’t remember that I drank with you on the Brudershaft, or where we fought together! Poke an unfamiliar sign of rudeness! In any work, the main thing is the availability of a workable workforce, in the first place.

I have been talking with you for a long time, and for some reason I just can’t feel respect. Brudershaft only with friends. You will be wiser, it will be possible to learn something. Then politeness will be.

[Pavel57]

They would have to embed a compartment for 16 missiles, so that there was a normal salvo.

[Kleber]

The submarine is not rubber.

[Pavel57]

There was information that the Chinese made such an insert.

[Andrzej k]

We in Poland cannot handle the repair, ORP Orzeł. Moreover, repair spoils it more and more. A ship is beautiful :-(

[Serg65]

Quote: Andrzej K

We in Poland can not cope with the repair

Send to Kronstadt!

[FORCE 38GB]

When Fraternal Poland returns to the "Warsaw Pact", then everything will be fine .. But for now, bear with it :) We knew where we "entered"

[Andrzej k]

We do not need military alliances, but reasonable policies and good neighborly relations with our neighbors.

And another “Varshavyanka” 636 with “Caliber” would be a good purchase for our fleet. Just like the Mi-17 or T-90M for the army.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: knn54

Victor. Diesel submarine "Novorossiysk" returning, after repairs. Was forced to replenish fuel and provisions in Ceuta. In a state that is a member of NATO. And next to the British Giblartar. “Varshavyanka can stay under water for no more than three days. And if problems arise, the only hope is for Crimea.

And what is Gibraltar? International waters, a strait not paralyzed by treaties like Montreux. Who can threaten our ships there and force them to go only underwater? Or has a state of war already begun?

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Pavel57

They would have to embed a compartment for 16 missiles, so that there was a normal salvo.

Write to the developer. Perhaps he will recruit and instruct you to do it.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Andrzej K

ORP Orzel

Is this the submarine that escaped from Tallinn? It seems that she was already missing from the English fleet, where she got and fought.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Victor March 47

Work should always be carried out where there is good equipment, materials and personnel.

Well, what kind of "unique equipment" is there in Kronstadt, which cannot be installed at the Crimean shipyard and shipyard? We are talking about the possibility of repairing any ships in the Crimea. This is a necessity, not a whim.

Quote: Victor March 47

Do you most of all repair your TV at home, or drag it to a specialized enterprise, where there is everything?

Of course in a television studio. But this does not mean that it needs to be transported across the country for repairs.

Nearby Peter. The manufacturer, which, of course, has it all. And if you do not understand a damn thing in the production of submarines, then you do not need to talk about it loudly. To make, which has not happened yet, is the years in our current situation, and the transition of a fully operational ship is a week. A boat is needed today. And the caissons, slipways and all kinds of things that will be needed. But later.

[Tests]

Subtext (Alexander), dear, "Zvezdochka" in Severodvinsk "shifted to the right" the terms for the repair of a lot of multipurpose boats, "Akademik Alexandrov" was supposed to be handed over to the fleet in 2019, they promise to hand over in February 2020, "Losharik" is awaiting restoration. In the branch "Zvezdochka" - the plant "Krasnaya Kuznitsa" in Arkhangelsk this week the steamer was burning; Zvezdochka will not get rid of the "corpse" - the branch in the village of Lazarevskoye; in the branch in the city of Temryuk, the new director will not arrange the work in any way, so that the management of the USC was satisfied. And you still want to load "Zvezdochka" with urgent work to repair diesel-electric submarines. Yes, the storytellers from the USC promised Kirov, which has been rotting at the Zvezdochka berths for many years, to start recycling in 2020. Repairing a diesel engine in Severodvinsk will be how much more expensive than in Kronstadt, only at the price of electricity, steam, water and waste water, workers 'and engineers' salaries? And the boat will get to Severodvinsk through the White Sea-Baltic Canal or around Scandinavia and Kola, how much will the road to Severodvinsk cost?

[Subtext]

I agree. But, at the Kronstadt Marine Plant, that on a working day will be brought to the ship for repair, then, from evening to morning they will pronounce: o (

[Old26]

Quote: lucul

Who said that there will be repairs)))
Most likely they will put new weapons ....

And what new weapons will they put on it? Repair is planned ...

Quote: Pavel57

Read carefully the text of the Montreux Convention, then you will say what is nonsense and what is not.

Article 12, the text is on the net.

And where is it written in this article that THEN THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE?

Article 12
Powers coastal to the Black Sea, will have the right to navigate through the Straits, in order to return to their base, their submarines built or bought outside this seaif Turkey has been notified in advance of the bookmark or purchase.

Submarines belonging to the named Powers can equally pass through the Straits for repair at shipyards located outside this sea, provided that accurate data in this regard will be given to Turkey.

In either case, the submarines will have to swim during the day and, moreover, on the surface and pass through the Straits alone.

And where is the ban? The only thing that needs to be notified is Turkey and the boats must pass both straits within one daylight hours in the free-floating position.

Quote: Pavel57

Submarines belonging to these Powers can likewise pass through the Straits for repair at shipyards located outside this sea, provided that accurate data on this matter will be given to Turkey.

This paragraph regulates the exit from the Black Sea. for this you need to send them for repair outside the Black Sea.

The passage is regulated by the first part of this article, namely

Powers coastal to the Black Sea, will have the right to navigate through the Straits, in order to return to their base, their submarines, built or bought outside this seaif Turkey has been notified in advance of the bookmark or purchase.

But no NO PROHIBITION. They can go for repairs to factories located outside the Black Sea. Conditions - inform Turkey in advance ... The Black Sea countries can conduct their submarines through the Straits. Boats built in the Baltic (outside the Black Sea). Fully consistent with the first part of Article 12

Quote: g1v2

Repairs of the Black Sea fake submarines. The reason is the Montreux Convention. Submarines of the Black Sea Fleet can leave the World Cup only for repairs outside it.

I quoted article 12 a little higher. Moreover, the first part of it does not say anything about repairs. Only about the wire boats of the Black Sea countries.

Quote: Pavel57

They would have to embed a compartment for 16 missiles, so that there was a normal salvo.

Why so little? Let's embed 150-200 rockets. So that the volley was already a VOLLOWER !!!!! Why should they make a good boat for their good missile carrier ???

Quote: Pavel57

There was information that the Chinese made such an insert.

There was no tie-in into Project 877 or 636 boats. There was one 033G boat modernized to launch 4 S-801 type KR caliber 340 mm. There were no sidebars.

Quote: Victor March 47

And what is Gibraltar? International waters, a strait not paralyzed by treaties like Montreux. Who can threaten our ships there and force them to go only underwater? Or has a state of war already begun?

It's not about Gibraltar, there is only a military base in Great Britain. It's about the Spanish naval base in Ceuta. About refueling there. NATO is extremely negative about such a refueling ...

Quote: Victor March 47

Quote: Andrzej K

ORP Orzel

Is this the submarine that escaped from Tallinn? It seems that she was already missing from the English fleet, where she got and fought.

No. This is a boat of project 877E. Our former boat is the former USSR Flag B-351. Since 1986, as part of the Navy, the then NDP. Received the name Orzeł (Eagle)

[Pavel57]

There are many letters, but the essence is the same - without the notification of Turkey about the repair outside the Black Sea, the boats cannot be taken out to the Mediterranean Sea.

[Old26]

Quote: Pavel57

There are many letters, but the essence is the same - without the notification of Turkey about the repair outside the Black Sea, the boats cannot be taken out to the Mediterranean Sea.

Notice NOT ABOUT REPAIR. Notification that a warship of the Black Sea country will pass through the Straits. And it doesn't matter where he goes. Within 7 days, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs sent a notification that the boat "Stary Oskol" will pass on D + 7 through the straits and that's it. Then, on day D + 7, the boat surfaced outside the territorial waters of Turkey, stood in line for the passage, on the surface passed through the Bosphorus, also crossed the Sea of ​​Marmara on the surface, passed the Dardanelles, sank and that's it.

Problems for submarines can only be in non-Black Sea countries. They have no right to pass through the Straits except in one case. If these boats were built in one of the Black Sea countries and go there for repairs. But since there is not ONE FACTORY that builds submarines on the Black Sea, foreign submarines N7e can also be held at the World Cup.

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Old26

Quote: Pavel57

There are many letters, but the essence is the same - without the notification of Turkey about the repair outside the Black Sea, the boats cannot be taken out to the Mediterranean Sea.

Notice NOT ABOUT REPAIR. Notification that a warship of the Black Sea country will pass through the Straits. And it doesn't matter where he goes. Within 7 days, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs sent a notification that the boat "Stary Oskol" will pass on D + 7 through the straits and that's it. Then, on day D + 7, the boat surfaced outside the territorial waters of Turkey, stood in line for the passage, on the surface passed through the Bosphorus, also crossed the Sea of ​​Marmara on the surface, passed the Dardanelles, sank and that's it.

Problems for submarines can only be in non-Black Sea countries. They have no right to pass through the Straits except in one case. If these boats were built in one of the Black Sea countries and go there for repairs. But since there is not ONE FACTORY that builds submarines on the Black Sea, foreign submarines N7e can also be held at the World Cup.

As Bud news reported, however boring.

[Pavel57]

For submarines, Turkey is advised of a repair to exit the Black Sea. It is pointless to argue.